A dropper, a head tube angle 65 degrees or less and breaks with 4 pistons is what you need to look for if you are considering buying a capable trail/enduro bike
Totally agree with what Doddy said “All Mountain” bikes are really “Enduro” bikes. Ever since the sport Enduro caught on and manufacturers started using “Enduro” in all their products people started to call the “All Mountain” bikes “Enduro” bikes.👍🏻
Most good full sus bikes from 120-180mm travel can do it all these days, and its just the rider preference for how twitchy/playful or dump-trucky they want their ride to feel. Very few people can actually ride the terrain that NEEDS and enduro bike, but they sure do love pretending theyre all rampage riders when theyre at the pub lol
You can look at it the other way around, with an Enduro bike someone with less ability can ride more difficult trails. And there's room to grow if gnarly trails are your thing. For me the trail bike offers the perfect balance, on long rides the Enduro bike isn't that good as expected.
Very few people actually have the skill to fully utilize a 5000$ bike either yet here we are with a whole couple of generations of bikers with just those.
@@corail53 I went past my old skatepark and was shocked. No one was on a bmx, everyone was on a full sus lol. One kid on a commencal clash… things have changed
Wheels and tires transform bikes. You can put soft downhill tires, inserts and heavy duty wheels on a 150mm rig and bomb down almost anything. Or you get some light carbon wheels and lightweight, fast rolling tires and take part on an XC or MTB marathon race. Nothing makes more of a difference on a bike.
So what this excellent video did, mostly, was reinforce my choice to go from an Enduro rig to my Commencal Meta TR. It's really closer to the enduro bike than to the trail bike according to many the comparisons in this video, but it carries many of the benefits of the trail bike. It's got mostly an enduro geometry but it's light, agile, and has the anti-squat of a trail bike. Best choice I've made in a while. Thanks for the comparison, Doddy!
I'm various days looking between the Stumpjumper EVO Comp Alloy vs comp alloy . I say the enduro bike is the proper way ,but as i'm looking for a variety of terrain ,and i don't have the idea of uphill the mountains in the mechanisms of pirynees sky station 🚉 i choosed the comp alloy. I'm a beginner and in other antiquate words I'm more lost than a submarine underwater
Super interesting. I was considering an xc for my next bike, but after watching this I think for my style of riding the trail would be better, just that little bit more robust. I'm always curious about the bike differences.
I think AM got simply renamed to Enduro once the sport became popular and at the same time every category tends to get more and more suspension travel every couple of years.
My first Mtb is a 29er trail bike with 130mm travel and its a beast on the trails for me. But of i ever have the chance i would love to own an enduro but at the same time i could probably just upgrade my fork and shock with some that have more suspension travel.
I did the same. Coming from an old 26" bike I bought a trek top fuel 8 in 2022. It was a great entry bike. I've realised I'd like a bit more travel now, so adding new suspension to take it from 120/120 to 130/140. Also upgrading the discs to go from 160/180 to 180/203. This basically makes it the previous gen fuel ex (but with a lighter newer frame).
@lordgibbness awesome bro. Sounds like you have a great bike with the upgrades. I'm running 180mm/203mm with sintered pads. Braking performance has improved on the gnarly downhills. I've also switched from Maxxis DD maxxgripp DHR(F)/DISSECTOR(R) to Continental Enduro soft kryptotals (F)/(R). I'm still on the 120mm/130mm suspension travel. I do run pressures a bit higher than what's recommended for my weight just so I don't bottom out on every jump I do and gives me some support on high compression stuff.
@@ogmr.c3714 it took a bit of research to choose what to buy. Bike came with Rockshox deluxe ultimate rear shock, and Rockshox Sid fork. Upgrading to Rockshox Super Deluxe Ultimate (piggyback) rear shock, and fox 36 factory grip x fork. I'm still on resin pads though. I do like their modulation, but I'll try sintered next if I find them lacking. Did you find the metal pads worse at low speed?
I am a lighter weight rider although I do like some drops and such. I found the perfect combo is an enduro frame with the fox 36 170mm and a nice smooth DPx2 providing 160mm. I highly recommend everyone looking into their needs before buying a 190 mm zeb or a DHX
My 130 front and rear travel YT izzo is perfect for where I live, can go lose at the local weeknight xc races and then turn around and crash on the flow jump trails at the bike park on the weekends
Yeah, that's true. They're all so similar in spec! Enduro spec can start from 160mm of travel and freeride/super enduro can be around 180mm of front travel.
I got a "Trailduro" Pivot Switchblade. I want the extra travel for my bad back. Rather get out on a ride than sit in a chair at home, so if that gets me out there, then it's worth it.
Well, I ride a BMC Supertrail01 since 2009 with 150mm in the front and 150 in the rear. It’s a 11.2 kg and was sold as a all mountain/enduro. Guess it’s more a trail bike with loads of travel. As a matter of fact, I do run a rock shox revelation u-turn, to switch between 125-150mm travel. If I lock the rear damper then I get a steeper angle, it’s almost like an XC bike. So, lock damper, lower fork and lock it’d XC to the top, get some great food, go back to 150mm travel and unlock the damper. Then, give it the beans! I love how capable my bike is, and how we grew up over the years. Don’t care about labels, it just runs :)
Oh gosh dud that was 14 years ago. He's talking about up to date bikes. Your bike is like a WW2 generation compared to todays generation. There have been so much advances since then especially geometry making them much better climbers while having the same travel while being heavier. Even more durable and safer going downhill as well.
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 oi mate, I know that my bike may seem old, but I know Cube and ghost bikes, that had that kind of technology until 2015, so BMC was a bit ahead back then. I know that actual models are better, evolved etc. I just wanted to say, that I have an enduro bike, capable to ride it like an XC bike and also as a Enduro/Trailbike. Not perfect at each category, but fun and fast enough to challenge Gravel bikers and steal their KOMs ;) So, I don’t care about the „Enduro“ or „XC“ labels, I’m just riding. And don’t worry, I’m a mechanical engineer, I also own a small bike shop and I’m aware of the technology, especially when it comes down to shapes and design.
What about Forbidden's Druid? 130 back and 150 front, 65.5 head angle, 15 kg, high pivot, some even put coil shock on it... Some great riders even do Enduro races on it... Wut do you guys think about that bike?
What i took from this video was mainly a couple of your good analogies. Trail is more efficiency and agility enduro is more capability and stability. Thinking along them lines also id say enduro is more for grip and trail more for pop? What do you think?
The lines blur very easily. I wouldn’t give a mental model on the differences too much thought unless you want to start writing marketing copy for the brands. Just work out what you ride most often and spec a bike to suit
@@TheFatSteez i think the lines are pretty much non existent. Its a sliding scale of attributes really. Like i said trail more efficiency and agility enduro more capability and stability. That doesn’t mean an enduro bike has absolutely no agility or efficiency and a trail bike has no grip or stability. Lol. And i enjoyed thinking about the comparison between enduro and trail bikes. The fact you watched this video and read enough of the comments to see mine and subsequently reply tells me your putting some thought into the subject also.?
Hey Jonathan! That's right! Enduro is all about being more planted, so you can plough through gnarly terrain while trail bikes are built to blast over flat ground, making them more agile to move around when descending due to the weight difference! 👍
I'm looking to get a new bike. Currently I've got a Norco charger which is now about 7/8 years old. I use it to get to work and back everyday and on days off then use it for 20k rides on a multiple of terrains. Looking for maybe a full suspension but have read for what type of riding I do I should stick with a hardtail. Any suggestions with a budget of about 1500 quid.
Mr. Doddy, What did you really think of that Mondraker Raze you tested recently? I am about to buy one blind and could use some feedback. Very hard to find any real riding info about Mondrakers.
i still ride 2013 stumpy evo comp 29 with 130mm and a HA of 69? - annually i blow past people on 'enduro' rigs @ the mega and weekly at trail centres i do the same - my spec is standard that came with the bike wen i bought it new - formula c1, spesh butcher tyres etc - i weigh 15st 10 - stop buying mad bikes because they will not make you faster - learn to ride instead
I'm still riding a 07 stumpy 140 mil travel both ends hope wheelset slx n xt groupset. Just the small wheels that let it down, got a 2000 rhythm fsr aswell which is still a quick bike
Doddy, please suggest a good 29x2.6 front tyre that is capable of commuting daily (Hardtail) and some off riding, I have already rekon 29x2.6 for the rear.
Mullet will make your bike more agile. If that's what you want, try it. However, since hardtails don't have any rear suspension, I would rather stick with a larger rear wheel because that helps rolling over bumps, which is the big weakness of hardtails.
They gotta update those specs cause the Fuel EX gen 6 is 34 -35 lbs and goes uphill better than other trail bikes, and its considered a trail bike and not an enduro bike.
With 170mm rear & 190mm front I’d say my Whyte G180 is classed as a ‘SuperEnduro’ rig. 29er front and offset headset cup has also put my HTA at 62.7. Long story short, big Enduro rigs are just DH bikes with a steeper STA & single crown forks. All other parts & geo are the same 🤷🏻♂️
I like to run enough air in my tires, just to afford myself a bit more protection... There is so much generalisation and numbers pulled from thin air, this is really pointless to watch. My trail bike is over 14kg, so it's an enduro right, but 130/130 travel so its xc bike really right? Majority of trail bikes on the trails are not expensive bikes, so majority will be 15kg and more, clearly all enduro bikes then right. Even cheap-ish hard tails can be over 15kg, built in a way, that it's the mountain that suffers bike strikes, and not a bike, suffering rock strikes. 😅 Cheap and cheerful, but heavy.
Coming from a Mx/Enduro background, I find it hilarious how the guys try to make it so important to "get the correct whatever" Spending a fortune on something what they think is the best. Just ride what you have and enjoy it. So dear biking community, please lose the hipster stuff, biking is not a fashion statement and be reasonable with your ridiculous pricing...
This video didn't age well, a trail bike is supposed to be lightweight? not anymore it seems, we now have trail bikes weighing at least 16 and a half kg, and an enduro bike has a more relaxed head angle? not any more it seems, we now have trail bikes that have a 63.5 degree head angle, so what is the difference now exactly? about 10mm more travel maybe?
So a cross country bike is not suitable for trail or enduro riding. So if you have a cross country bike you should not ride on trails. Personally I ride what you would classify as Cross country and I ride it everywhere as a general purpose bike. I find looking at the mass of bikes on sale 2022 most are not suitable for general purpose riding and have fallen into different black holes of downhill, All mountain, trail and tour. I just tested a bike meant for general purpose and it was designed including aspects of all the other disciplines and as such was not suitable for it's intended purpose.
My friend put this bike together for his son and before I knew it he was done th-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L When the son came to put it together he was surprised to see it was already done. All he had to do was take the bike to get air and be on his way. My friend did not have any major problems putting this bike together; small issue was putting one of the brakes on straight; however when the son got home he was able to fix it. The bike rides well gears move correctly; good bike for the price. Wrote review after the son took the bike. Sorry.
Didn't explain pros/cons of seat post angle, head angle, stem height, chain stay, disc rotors, pistons, etc, etc which (as a noob) is what i was looking for when clicking on a 'Trail vs Enduro' vid 👎
Doddy I'm pre writing this so you know how annoying I find these as they never actually answer the question. I'll be throwing swear words at you if you confuse me 🤣
Haven't bought a new bike for 15 years. Tech moves so fast. This has helped a lot. Thanks.
Ya tech has changed so much. Trail bikes now are a bit heavyier but still climb really well compared to their older counterparts.
A dropper, a head tube angle 65 degrees or less and breaks with 4 pistons is what you need to look for if you are considering buying a capable trail/enduro bike
Totally agree with what Doddy said “All Mountain” bikes are really “Enduro” bikes. Ever since the sport Enduro caught on and manufacturers started using “Enduro” in all their products people started to call the “All Mountain” bikes “Enduro” bikes.👍🏻
Most good full sus bikes from 120-180mm travel can do it all these days, and its just the rider preference for how twitchy/playful or dump-trucky they want their ride to feel. Very few people can actually ride the terrain that NEEDS and enduro bike, but they sure do love pretending theyre all rampage riders when theyre at the pub lol
You can look at it the other way around, with an Enduro bike someone with less ability can ride more difficult trails. And there's room to grow if gnarly trails are your thing.
For me the trail bike offers the perfect balance, on long rides the Enduro bike isn't that good as expected.
Very few people actually have the skill to fully utilize a 5000$ bike either yet here we are with a whole couple of generations of bikers with just those.
@@corail53 I went past my old skatepark and was shocked. No one was on a bmx, everyone was on a full sus lol. One kid on a commencal clash… things have changed
I don't know if I speak Doddy, or Doddy speaks me, but I always understand him. Just makes sense.
Wheels and tires transform bikes. You can put soft downhill tires, inserts and heavy duty wheels on a 150mm rig and bomb down almost anything.
Or you get some light carbon wheels and lightweight, fast rolling tires and take part on an XC or MTB marathon race.
Nothing makes more of a difference on a bike.
Probably rider makes more of a difference ;)
He is just the best presenter when it comes to explaining specs.
All your presenters are great , and it needs a team , and no presenter can do it all.
Weight range for trail bikes seems a bit low. Id have said 12-15kgs was more realistic. Especially for those of us who don't have full carbon...
*cries in Broke*
Yup. Mine weighs 37 pounds which is 15kg+. He also said 34mm stanchions is minimum. 👀 Mine are 32. 🤷🏻♂️
Sounds like broke people problems
@@LCNismo 🤣...😐...😭
@@LCNismo being a mountain biker means being perpetually broke 😅
So what this excellent video did, mostly, was reinforce my choice to go from an Enduro rig to my Commencal Meta TR. It's really closer to the enduro bike than to the trail bike according to many the comparisons in this video, but it carries many of the benefits of the trail bike.
It's got mostly an enduro geometry but it's light, agile, and has the anti-squat of a trail bike.
Best choice I've made in a while.
Thanks for the comparison, Doddy!
Very comprehensive video, lot of info and clear comparisons for each tech category.
Thanks, Jan! 🙌
I'm various days looking between the Stumpjumper EVO Comp Alloy vs comp alloy .
I say the enduro bike is the proper way ,but as i'm looking for a variety of terrain ,and i don't have the idea of uphill the mountains in the mechanisms of pirynees sky station 🚉 i choosed the comp alloy.
I'm a beginner and in other antiquate words I'm more lost than a submarine underwater
I use my Orbea Occam as a trail/enduro and it handles it beautifully
Super interesting. I was considering an xc for my next bike, but after watching this I think for my style of riding the trail would be better, just that little bit more robust. I'm always curious about the bike differences.
Yeah, it's good to be knowledgeable about different types of bikes! Trail bikes are a great in-between option! 👍
I’ve always been curious about the differences. Thanks
No problem! Thanks for the support!
AWESOMELY USEFUL THAT DODDY
Thanks, Jason! Glad you found this video useful! 👍
Thank you for this episode!!! As I contemplate bigger mountain adventures, I was really confused as to which bike to get next!! This was fabulous!
I thought ‘all mountain’ was in between trail and enduro?
That is literally how merida classify this.
I think AM got simply renamed to Enduro once the sport became popular and at the same time every category tends to get more and more suspension travel every couple of years.
Yeah, it's a term commonly used for both of those, but it really should mean enduro! 👍
Very informative and to the point, I like that!!
This is a very useful video to help me get up-to-speed with where mtbs have gone in the last 15 years.
A very handy summary. 👍🏻
We're glad you found this one useful! 👍
My first Mtb is a 29er trail bike with 130mm travel and its a beast on the trails for me. But of i ever have the chance i would love to own an enduro but at the same time i could probably just upgrade my fork and shock with some that have more suspension travel.
I did the same. Coming from an old 26" bike I bought a trek top fuel 8 in 2022. It was a great entry bike. I've realised I'd like a bit more travel now, so adding new suspension to take it from 120/120 to 130/140. Also upgrading the discs to go from 160/180 to 180/203. This basically makes it the previous gen fuel ex (but with a lighter newer frame).
@lordgibbness awesome bro. Sounds like you have a great bike with the upgrades. I'm running 180mm/203mm with sintered pads. Braking performance has improved on the gnarly downhills. I've also switched from Maxxis DD maxxgripp DHR(F)/DISSECTOR(R) to Continental Enduro soft kryptotals (F)/(R). I'm still on the 120mm/130mm suspension travel. I do run pressures a bit higher than what's recommended for my weight just so I don't bottom out on every jump I do and gives me some support on high compression stuff.
@@ogmr.c3714 it took a bit of research to choose what to buy. Bike came with Rockshox deluxe ultimate rear shock, and Rockshox Sid fork. Upgrading to Rockshox Super Deluxe Ultimate (piggyback) rear shock, and fox 36 factory grip x fork. I'm still on resin pads though. I do like their modulation, but I'll try sintered next if I find them lacking. Did you find the metal pads worse at low speed?
I am a lighter weight rider although I do like some drops and such. I found the perfect combo is an enduro frame with the fox 36 170mm and a nice smooth DPx2 providing 160mm. I highly recommend everyone looking into their needs before buying a 190 mm zeb or a DHX
My 130 front and rear travel YT izzo is perfect for where I live, can go lose at the local weeknight xc races and then turn around and crash on the flow jump trails at the bike park on the weekends
The difference is basically travel, components, geometry, uses, etc.
What happened with the "all mountain" bikes ?
What a mind-bender! I guess North Shore Betty uses an Enduro configuration.... ? wouldn't know, myself.
New challenge is differing between endruo, super enduro, and freeride.
What about downduro and upduro?
Yeah, that's true. They're all so similar in spec! Enduro spec can start from 160mm of travel and freeride/super enduro can be around 180mm of front travel.
@@gmbntech❤
Thanks for making this video, it answered my questions. Back in my days there is only XC, AM, FR, DH, so yeah, the new names makes me confused
I need to rewatch this video again (and again, if necessary) until it all sinks in to me especially so that I ride a Ht MTB. #KeepBiking
Go for it! Safe riding! 👍
When i changed froma a CX to a Enduro Bike the first thing i noticed was the handling; is way different. Like the bike tends to lean to the sides.
I got a "Trailduro" Pivot Switchblade. I want the extra travel for my bad back. Rather get out on a ride than sit in a chair at home, so if that gets me out there, then it's worth it.
Now do trail and downcountry
Well, I ride a BMC Supertrail01 since 2009 with 150mm in the front and 150 in the rear.
It’s a 11.2 kg and was sold as a all mountain/enduro.
Guess it’s more a trail bike with loads of travel.
As a matter of fact, I do run a rock shox revelation u-turn, to switch between 125-150mm travel.
If I lock the rear damper then I get a steeper angle, it’s almost like an XC bike.
So, lock damper, lower fork and lock it’d XC to the top, get some great food, go back to 150mm travel and unlock the damper.
Then, give it the beans!
I love how capable my bike is, and how we grew up over the years.
Don’t care about labels, it just runs :)
Oh gosh dud that was 14 years ago. He's talking about up to date bikes. Your bike is like a WW2 generation compared to todays generation. There have been so much advances since then especially geometry making them much better climbers while having the same travel while being heavier. Even more durable and safer going downhill as well.
@@michaelmichaelagnew8503 oi mate,
I know that my bike may seem old, but I know Cube and ghost bikes, that had that kind of technology until 2015, so BMC was a bit ahead back then. I know that actual models are better, evolved etc.
I just wanted to say, that I have an enduro bike, capable to ride it like an XC bike and also as a Enduro/Trailbike.
Not perfect at each category, but fun and fast enough to challenge Gravel bikers and steal their KOMs ;)
So, I don’t care about the „Enduro“ or „XC“ labels, I’m just riding.
And don’t worry, I’m a mechanical engineer, I also own a small bike shop and I’m aware of the technology, especially when it comes down to shapes and design.
@@TrophobieClaus if it gets the job done and your happy thats all that matters. Cant recall why i was so harsh.
What about Forbidden's Druid? 130 back and 150 front, 65.5 head angle, 15 kg, high pivot, some even put coil shock on it... Some great riders even do Enduro races on it... Wut do you guys think about that bike?
That Orbea looks like a Canondale from 2009
Just not built in china
Are you guys just doing laps on a list of 20 mtb topics?
What i took from this video was mainly a couple of your good analogies.
Trail is more efficiency and agility enduro is more capability and stability.
Thinking along them lines also id say enduro is more for grip and trail more for pop? What do you think?
The lines blur very easily. I wouldn’t give a mental model on the differences too much thought unless you want to start writing marketing copy for the brands.
Just work out what you ride most often and spec a bike to suit
@@TheFatSteez i think the lines are pretty much non existent. Its a sliding scale of attributes really. Like i said trail more efficiency and agility enduro more capability and stability. That doesn’t mean an enduro bike has absolutely no agility or efficiency and a trail bike has no grip or stability. Lol. And i enjoyed thinking about the comparison between enduro and trail bikes. The fact you watched this video and read enough of the comments to see mine and subsequently reply tells me your putting some thought into the subject also.?
Hey Jonathan! That's right! Enduro is all about being more planted, so you can plough through gnarly terrain while trail bikes are built to blast over flat ground, making them more agile to move around when descending due to the weight difference! 👍
I'm looking to get a new bike. Currently I've got a Norco charger which is now about 7/8 years old. I use it to get to work and back everyday and on days off then use it for 20k rides on a multiple of terrains. Looking for maybe a full suspension but have read for what type of riding I do I should stick with a hardtail. Any suggestions with a budget of about 1500 quid.
Mr. Doddy, What did you really think of that Mondraker Raze you tested recently? I am about to buy one blind and could use some feedback. Very hard to find any real riding info about Mondrakers.
i still ride 2013 stumpy evo comp 29 with 130mm and a HA of 69? - annually i blow past people on 'enduro' rigs @ the mega and weekly at trail centres i do the same - my spec is standard that came with the bike wen i bought it new - formula c1, spesh butcher tyres etc - i weigh 15st 10 - stop buying mad bikes because they will not make you faster - learn to ride instead
I still ride my 2010 stumpy 26” tires 140mm front and rear. Special tuned the front fork and went from 130mm to 140mm.
I'm still riding a 07 stumpy 140 mil travel both ends hope wheelset slx n xt groupset. Just the small wheels that let it down, got a 2000 rhythm fsr aswell which is still a quick bike
Good vid at last a good talk on the differences between all mountain and trail thanks i think mine is trail scott genius 150 sus
Thanks for the support, Simon! Glad you enjoyed the video! 👊
Is mine trail or enduro pls?
Currently all you need to do to make your trail bike full fledged enduro is getting tougher tyres
I wanted more travel, so I got my self an Enduro bike from Vitus 💙👌👌
Doddy, please suggest a good 29x2.6 front tyre that is capable of commuting daily (Hardtail) and some off riding, I have already rekon 29x2.6 for the rear.
Bontrager XR4 maybe. Pretty darn heavy compared to my Maxxis Ardents 2.35. But the XR4’s will last a long long time
Is a sentinel v1 a trail bike now? it only has 140mm rear travel, yet when it came out it was classed as an enduro bike?
Because it came out in 2017, in 2018/19 pros were using 150 bikes, now its 160-170
Geometry would be the bigger factor than travel. I have a Marin alpine trail and it’s only 150/160 but the head angle is 63.5 which is dh territory
Hello gmbn! Should I make my 27.5+ hardtail treck into a mullet? Will it ruin the geometry or just make it a shred machine?!
Mullet will make your bike more agile. If that's what you want, try it. However, since hardtails don't have any rear suspension, I would rather stick with a larger rear wheel because that helps rolling over bumps, which is the big weakness of hardtails.
@@iSchrott3G Maybe he meant 29 on the front, not 26 on the rear. ? 🤔
They gotta update those specs cause the Fuel EX gen 6 is 34 -35 lbs and goes uphill better than other trail bikes, and its considered a trail bike and not an enduro bike.
With 170mm rear & 190mm front I’d say my Whyte G180 is classed as a ‘SuperEnduro’ rig. 29er front and offset headset cup has also put my HTA at 62.7.
Long story short, big Enduro rigs are just DH bikes with a steeper STA & single crown forks. All other parts & geo are the same 🤷🏻♂️
But is a downhill racer faster on a pony than a xcracer? What are slower flipflops or sandals? Pros and cons? I need answers!
everyone knows Crocs with cleats are the fastest MTB footwear
What is weight?
minimum of a 35mm stanchion on an enduro bike. the lyrik is adequate for my 170mm rocky mountain slayer
Where does the new spectral 27.5 go?
Trail for sure. The Torque is Canyon's Enduro/All Mountain.
Yeho Doddy
👋
I bought a Trail bike then a Enduro 😎 I ride my Enduro Daily
I like to run enough air in my tires, just to afford myself a bit more protection...
There is so much generalisation and numbers pulled from thin air, this is really pointless to watch.
My trail bike is over 14kg, so it's an enduro right, but 130/130 travel so its xc bike really right?
Majority of trail bikes on the trails are not expensive bikes, so majority will be 15kg and more, clearly all enduro bikes then right. Even cheap-ish hard tails can be over 15kg, built in a way, that it's the mountain that suffers bike strikes, and not a bike, suffering rock strikes. 😅
Cheap and cheerful, but heavy.
Coming from a Mx/Enduro background, I find it hilarious how the guys try to make it so important to "get the correct whatever" Spending a fortune on something what they think is the best. Just ride what you have and enjoy it. So dear biking community, please lose the hipster stuff, biking is not a fashion statement and be reasonable with your ridiculous pricing...
enduro all the way
Can I call me proscess 153 a "trailduro" now just to add another category and annoy more people.
that's called DownUpCountry
Haha! Go for it Ricky! 😂
The average riders would not notice or care in most cases they buy eye candy and get on and enjoy
This video didn't age well, a trail bike is supposed to be lightweight? not anymore it seems, we now have trail bikes weighing at least 16 and a half kg, and an enduro bike has a more relaxed head angle? not any more it seems, we now have trail bikes that have a 63.5 degree head angle, so what is the difference now exactly? about 10mm more travel maybe?
So a cross country bike is not suitable for trail or enduro riding. So if you have a cross country bike you should not ride on trails. Personally I ride what you would classify as Cross country and I ride it everywhere as a general purpose bike. I find looking at the mass of bikes on sale 2022 most are not suitable for general purpose riding and have fallen into different black holes of downhill, All mountain, trail and tour. I just tested a bike meant for general purpose and it was designed including aspects of all the other disciplines and as such was not suitable for it's intended purpose.
Jeezo.... I'll stick to my hardtail.
My friend put this bike together for his son and before I knew it he was done th-cam.com/users/postUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L When the son came to put it together he was surprised to see it was already done. All he had to do was take the bike to get air and be on his way. My friend did not have any major problems putting this bike together; small issue was putting one of the brakes on straight; however when the son got home he was able to fix it. The bike rides well gears move correctly; good bike for the price. Wrote review after the son took the bike. Sorry.
Travel is not everything. I would rather have a top notch 140mm suspension fork then a shitty 160mm fork.
So for the vast number of us...still no difference, other than what your wallet can handle.
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Any new content coming soon, or just regurgitating videos? Just use the old ones on the same subject, save your time.
That wouldn't let them showcase new bikes to keep the sponsors happy, would it
Where can we send your refund?
Didn't explain pros/cons of seat post angle, head angle, stem height, chain stay, disc rotors, pistons, etc, etc which (as a noob) is what i was looking for when clicking on a 'Trail vs Enduro' vid 👎
Doddy I'm pre writing this so you know how annoying I find these as they never actually answer the question. I'll be throwing swear words at you if you confuse me 🤣
who on earth designed that orbea? that is one of the ugliest things i have seen since i managed to get my ladies grandma in bed after a few stellas