Considering the writers had the main character casually try writing a book within a week, it's a telling sign of how quickly this screenplay must have been written.
@@celinahatton2653 I don't know if I could even turn out a pile of shit in a week - most novels are above 40,000 words and the most I've ever written in a day was 2800. Granted, my writing isn't shite but still.
@@bhvvlogs7814 you'd have to truly, genuinely not care about the quality of work at all, but it could be done. You would have to be completely committed to not caring. However, if you give even the tiniest amount of consideration to plot and character development, then no (or be some kind of writing genius - on that note, I wonder what the shortest writing time period was for what is generally acknowledged to be a good book?)
This is what i feel like what happened: "Hey John did you send that movie pitch to lifetime?" "I thought we were sending that to Netflix" "YOU SENT IT TO NETFLIX?!" "was I wrong?"
"at least we didn't send the draft with that dumb split personality twist........ our career would be ruined" "that wasn't the draft i was supposed to send"
A week for a novel is the most unrealistic thing about this movie. I've been writing like 1000-2000 words a day and it's been 12 days. And what I'm writing is NOVELLA LENGTH.
it ended up being a month I think. There was a 'three weeks later' title card after she finished the first draft so I feeeellll the one week was incase it didn't work out she could just let Grace go after the week
We should go back to the old days when grown-ups criticize the kids for reading books. It'll hurt their memories I was told. But seriously, this is a cliche that's been around I think since the 60s.
And at least if they’re going to do it they should present it realistically with an explanation for the trauma and not demonizing the person with DID. What they did with Josh’s schizophrenia in the game Until Dawn was pretty good. He wasn’t shown as just a villain but someone who was struggling and unwell.
Devil's-advocate: there are two characters with DID and a third who hears voices. Only one of these three is the villain. One is a hugely successful writer. That's positive representation.
@@ddjsoyenby There is only one known case of a person with DID who killed people - and that was NOT because of his DID; he would've killed people even *without* the DID. That's why he was jailed, and his defence of having DID was thrown out - and rightly so. Anyone with an identity disorder will tell you there is such a thing as 'system responsibility.' Hollywood needs to fucking STOP with this outright *myth* of people with DID/OSDD having 'eeevil alters' just because they can't be arsed to think up a new way of making their killers 'quirky.' It literally makes ZERO SENSE for someone with an identity disorder to have alters that inflict violence on others - THAT'S NOT HOW THE DISORDER EVEN WORKS. It's a lie perpetuated by a section of the media who can't be arsed to do the proper research - I'm pretty sure by now that it's just the same, crappy crib sheet, barfed together by an intern in 1998 who did a ten-second Google search while high on crack, that gets passed around to all the studio execs in LA. And it does *huge damage* to the DID/OSDD community. It's hard enough for us to even persuade people to recognise it as an actual, real disorder at all - but now, when they do, they're supposed to think we've all got a token 'psycho alter' buried somewhere inside us, just waiting to be unleashed if someone 'pushes us too far?' If they maligned a whole section of society who WEREN'T already vulnerable and misunderstood, they'd get the ASSES sued off them for slander - but nooo, people with mental health disorders are fair game. I mean, who's gonna take THEM seriously, they're crazy already, amirite, ha ha..! IT NEEDS TO STOP.
Ah yes, because we all know that the only thing keeping couples faithful is a steady flow of schtoinking, and if you cease for even a week or two, your partner will go stick it in someone else. Sound psychological advice from the therapist friend.
I think that's a thing bad romances have made some people think. That if you're not banging your girlfriend, boyfriend, wife or husband from dawn til dusk they'll immediately cheat on you.
There are people who genuinely believe this. I learned the hard way not to ask the internet for dating advice when you're not interested in sex, because people either accuse you of being a gold digger or they say "so you don't want love, you want a friend?" People are stupid.
taking shots during deadly illusions for: - stigmatising and BLATANTLY wrong depiction of DID - black best friend - black best friend is the first to die - bisexuality = villainy / mental instability - woman employee just, like, existing in the same space = "she was asking for it!"
@@user-leavemealone The only way to please people who complains about the black best friend trope is to make the whole cast "diverse" and the bad guy is white.
@@philtess3126 yeah that's exactly what people mean when they say that. It's not like what they're actually asking for is black characters to exist with independent goals/character development in stories and not needing to specifically serve the main white character as a flat 1 dimensional accessory. This has gotten a bit better over the years, but you're being an ass.
Well, I’m fairly certain she would have to agree depending on what’s in her contract. An author retains creative rights for their works unless otherwise stated (which is a contract which should never be signed) and the publisher usually just gets distribution rights. I could be wrong, but I’ve been researching this stuff for a long time.
Have a librarian in my family...yeah, that library scene would never, EVER happen. They can't even share library records with spouses, much less random ladies off the street with no relation whatsoever.
Librarian here. A lot of times we don’t even keep a history of what people check out. Once the items are returned it’s removed from the record. That’s why the Patriot Act was strongly opposed by librarians. We take patron privacy VERY seriously.
That's interesting. Is there a specific reason why? Like a specific historical case of information being leaked that led to tighter security being seen as necessary to prevent it happening again, or is it entirely precautionary to prevent that in the first place?
@@KaylaKasel Not from the country itself so my info might be wrong, but I heard it comes from the fact that the government can use that act to request information on users and the librarians can't do anything about it. I remember hearing that to protest that, librarians put signs on the walls saying 'you might be under surveillance due to the patriot act and we wouldn't be allowed to tell you, so please take precautions'. Confidentiality is very important to librarians. We want to prevent people from accessing our users history of checked out items because that information i no-one's business except the person who checked out the items. I learned the details of the patriot act while studying to become a librarian, but I live in another country and my memory isn't perfect so there might be things missing from my explanation.
I watched this movie with my partner and he joked about Mary and the babysitter and ... well, we sat there for the rest of the movie just incredibly awkward and wondering what the hell was happening. It was ... a movie for sure.
The problem is most people confuse DID with some types of Schizophrenia where you will hear voices or even conjure another sort of personality that you can converse with. Media does this A LOT. Like...so much.
The problem is people have incredibly misinformed, stigmatizing ideas about both DID and schizophrenia spectrum disorders. People confused about DID are just as incorrect about schizophrenia at the end of the day, speaking as someone with a schizospec disorder and partners who are both plural and schizospec.
Most people also don't realize epilepsy also causes auditory hallucinations like voices. They're generally non-violent and rarely say the same thing twice, however.
@@sorayaalcyone2726 That's actually not the case so much anymore. On both points but mostly the latter. You should check out DissociaDID on youtube. It's very informative. If I remember correctly, most professionals accept it as a valid diagnosis now and it's about as common as natural red hair (roughly 3% I think).
@@CallMeKes dissociadid is a horrible source lmfao. she doesn't (or at least didnt, when i still watch her) cite her sources properly, as they're often would have little to do with the topic supposedly being discussed (or no relation at all, just linked for the sake of being linked) or from some shady org with questionable credentials. there's no real data or paper backing up the claim that DID is as common as people with red hair, especially bc one reason DID diagnosis is so hard to get because it shares a lot of symptoms with shit ton other disorders. criticisms for dissociadid aside, honestly for heavy and complex topics like mental disorders people shouldn't turn to pop culture (including youtubers) for explanation. go to the actual studies, read the actual papers. even if someone does suffer from something, that doesn't make them an expert, reliable to pass on correct information. the only reliable info they can pass is their own personal, subjective experience living with X; not necessarily the science behind X.
Yeah, I thought she was grace the whole time kinda like in the fight club. But maybe she is and she's imagining visiting herself in the mental facility?? Idk...
Funnily enough, there's a story about DID I read that does something like that. It's called The Eighth Girl, and a big twist in the story... *SPOILERS* Is that two characters the main character is close to (Her stepmother/mother & best friend) are actually alters in her system. It's an effective and incredibly DEVASTATING twist for the protagonist (On top of everything else going on in the story), and it almost drives her to suicide.
Honestly I thought we were done with thrillers about people with DID who has a murderous alter...... Not only is it super harmful to real people with DID, but it also is just a bad, poorly researched writing cliche.
I mean I thought we were done with presenting pagan and witches as evil satanic villains but oh look we ain't. Stop acting like people with DID are the only group who get misrepresented
@@Emma-zc5jm because it's funny how y'all never get mad when pagans and witches are misrepresented but yet when any other gets misrepresented your so damn mad. Heck y'all deny the vile actions your ancestors commited towards pagans and witches during the witch trials
Hell no 🤣 They're just getting started got another hundred or so years of being exploited just like black ppl and gay ppl and witches and ppl with depression and ppl with psychosis and ppl with physical disability and people with an ever so slightly different culture or accent like when all the villains were British or Russian. Ahhh profiting off of the weak an intrical part of every culture
Its the demon voice, the vulnerability of the young girl working for an older woman and somehow being the villain, and the misrepresentation of DID for me.
It seems pretty clear that the plot to this is that the producers had a bunch of porn scripts that they couldn't get the clearance to make so they just wrote in some lazy author narrative device and a mystery that they didn't have an answer to in hopes that it would tie it all together.
@@Mecharnie_Dobbs Sounds like you have a very narrow window of stuff you search for. Or that's the mystery stuff they tried to throw in. Pick your poison.
i saw the title and i clicked immediately because. i watched this movie and am in dire need of seeing someone tear it apart. it was so. bad. and not even in a good way but in a "you've just been hatecrimed luv" way
my sister and i watched this when it came out, we were both convinced it was the "predatory bi/lesbian preying on an unsuspecting hetero woman" trope. i can say it at least didn't disappoint in that aspect.
God, the "young people don't read anymore" trope drives me up the wall. Partly because I read, partly because it just smacks of older generations talking down to younger generations as if they're unintelligent, and partly because it's just flat out wrong! According to statista, people 18-29 are the *most* likely to have read at least one book in the last year! If anyone is curious, it's 81% of the 18-19 group, compared to 72% for 30-49 y.o, and then 67 & 68% respectively for the 50-65 and 65+ groups.
Also about the 'kids don't read these days' thing, plenty of kids are reading they're just reading on their phones. It could be anything from published books to Wikipedia articles/articles to fanfiction and other stuff. Just because they're not reading a physical book doesn't mean they're not reading, I haven't read from an actual book in like 2 years but I read almost everyday from my phone
Not to mention reading has changed. A lot of people also read things like fanfiction and graphic novels, webcomics, and hell the visual novel genre is huge for a reason and involves SO much reading. I'm sure I'd be strung up by the literary community for saying it but honestly there are visual novels I've played that are better than plenty of books I've read, they're just another artistic and literary medium and I thinks should be treated fairly as such.
The villainization of D.I.D. makes me really uncomfortable. Like even systems that do have persecutors very very rarely hurt people, at most they will harm the body. The reason being (at least the reason for my system) is that they feel that it's the host's fault that they went through their trauma. They internalize that anger and instead of taking it out on other people, they take it out on the body and/or other alters.
Agreed. Our ex-persecutor never went off on **anyone** except me, not even verbally. Instead he would actively hide from people outside of the system. During our hardest times, he and I (the host) would have a difficult relationship seeing as he would hurt me in our headspace, it was the only way he knew how to keep me from harming the body. He never was hurtful for the sake of hurting me. It's just the only way he found to protect us. Ultimately, systems are born to protect. Why so many people picture systems as dangerous is beyond me.
@@jacklyntree7752 A system is the term we use to refer to our headmates, because ultimately it's a system of personalities who protect the host/body. Some people have large systems (20 or more personalities) and others have rather small systems (10 or less, like me. though I was diagnosed last year so we're still finding out about new headmates). it's easier to say "our system" than it is to say "me and all the others in the head space." It's the most widely recognized term for it and is the easiest to understand.
A topic on which I am not well-versed? A piece of media I have not seen/do not intend to see? Amanda makes a video talking about it: I’m in! 👍🏻 Edit: Ohhhh noooo 🤦🏼♀️ more (potentially ?) stigmatisation about DID in shoddy media. Gd it. “There’s just too much going on in all the wrong ways.” Yes, Amanda. Yes.
@@jenitoten2212 lol 😂 same! I’m obsessed with how much she ships bella and alice... and I didn’t even know who or what an alice was until her twilight vids 😆
@@autumn_equinox I always thought it was Alice as in Alice in wonderland till my spouse showed me her Twilight Video. And Belle from, ya know Beauty and the Beast. LoL
@@jenitoten2212 Really? That’s great 😂 Though not sure I like the idea of the age difference between those two, I confess I’m always here for some disney femslash! You might say I’m “femslash trash” 🗑 Just toss me in the bin lol
I remember working as a hostess (you basically greet and seat everybody who walks in) at a restaurant and my go to activity when it was not busy and I had no other work to do was to read only because customers and management would not get mad at me for it. They would be super impressed especially if I told them it wasn't for school.
This movie is 100% a LifeTime movie but just on netflix and that was the saving grace while watching this. I knew it was gonna be bad but MAN.... did they overachieve in that department 🤭
As a multiple myself, Amanda: THANK YOU for calling out bad representation of dissociative disorders and multiplicity. Thank you so so much. Movies gotta stop. Movies REALLY gotta stop.
Ok, but why does Grace look so cute though? Her hair, tied up with the ribbon and the cute light blue dress. Massive Belle from Beauty and Beast vibes.
About at 10:50, when you say “there’s alot of options and everything is stupid “ is where I had to pause to write thanks. I’ve already laughed out loud several times, and you’ve also saved this whole movie by turning it into a 20 minute 🎭(I don’t have Netflix). Now I’m going back for the second half!
Anyone else watch these videos, without any intention of watching the movies just because Amanda is so funny and cool? ❤ Much love from the Midwest! 🇺🇲
'Grace' doesn't exist. 'Margaret' = Mary - Mary can literally be a short form of Margaret. Notepad with PTSD etc with Mary's name, 'Grace' supposedly had PTSD from abusive parents. Mary = Grace = Margaret etc. Dude said 'I don't want to play these games with you anymore' - he wasn't talking to 'Grace', he was talking to Mary, dude was financially irresponsible but loved his wife who would 'pretend' to be crazy to get into the head space to write her successful horror novels so he would play along, but she was especially extreme with this one (as she was actually cray-cray) and he didn't want to play along anymore + Elaine growing worried about danger Mary posed to herself/other people and so Mary killed her to silence her but also to recreate her book to get even more into the head space. The whole Mary/Grace sex stuff was basically narcissism etc. - she had boobs like that when she was younger etc. I mean, pretty sure the only time we see Grace interact with other people was Tom and the kids and in visions/memories/dreams in Mary's head, ergo Tom was playing along while everything else Mary's imagination.
That's exactly it! There's no Grace in that story. Even if they do a sequel, it will be some bull crap to make people believed there was a Grace just to ease the minds.
This is so innocuous in the face of… everything else but one thing that stuck out to me was that guy who told Mary to “lean into the dark” when it came to her writing even after she blatantly admitted that writing those books put her in a dark place and she didn’t want to go there again. It was so wildly insensitive to her? And then I realized that everyone in her life is like that even when she’s telling them directly that writing this series does awful things to her mental health, no one cares beyond the profit she can make for them and it’s actually really sad. I feel genuinely bad for her.
I absolutely *hate* mental disabilities and related issues being used as a horror trope, as well as physical disfigurement and stuff like that. It's horrible, disrespectful, and just adds to the stigma. Thanks for covering this Amanda!
You know what they should’ve done. Mary should have DID, don’t worry, it’s a good altar (like detective reporter when she’s in writing mode bc She writes thriller novels) and Grace good girl and bad girl side should’ve been an act. Sure It wouldn’t fix the story but It make a such a great spin on it. Did I do good? Or did I offend more? Because I didn’t wanna demonize it. please let me know and I’ll delete it if it’s negative 🥺
I thought we were seeing Mary’s book being played out. When in reality none of it was actually happening. I was so confused by the bike tire scene and the crazy waves by the cave scene. Also, when Mary’s husband said she had been gone for three hours, where did she go? The cigars drove me nuts because they didn’t seem to fit the character. And the bra shopping scene was so cringy. All in all this movie is all over the place and confusing.
Thank You So Much for calling out the awful portrayal of did in media like this. its so boring and annoying and frustrating when something pulls the 'omg it was an evil second personality all along how scary!!!'. like, not only is did a condition that comes from sustained childhood abuse and the brain trying to protect itself from that trauma, but people with did are much more likely to suffer future abuse rather than being the abuser afaik. bc, yknow, when someone has missing chunks of memory and a history of severe abuse its incredibly easy to take advantage of them. the child like behaviour at the end may have been because alters can be children, and people who have gone through childhood trauma do sometimes age regress for periods of time. not sure if that was actually why they included it considering everything else about their portrayal of dissociative disorders is horrendous, but yeah
Damn, I wish I could make my own self-insert fanfic and turn it into a Netflix movie. Because this is essentially what this movie is: a self-insert fantasy of the creator that just happened to become an actual script for a movie.
4:20 I HATE IT when i (a thriteen year old) read some book and some random adult comes up to me and ASKS: ,,So you kids can read, too." WELL NO SHIT B**cH I AM 13 NOT 5. GOD DAMN IT. That actually happend, but i just said: ,,yeah, i went to elementary school."
I think it would've been interesting that if Mary imagined how Grace looked compared to a regular nanny because she's imagining how her MC character looks or the villian/killer looks. And she goes crazy stalking her and obsessed with her till she calms down and out of her zone to realize "Grace" wasn't her Grace when she's over her dead body. Oh and her therapist isn't a friend but a relative/family friend that she goes to to talk while her regular therapist is on vacation. And Mary does have friends but none that close she can talk about her "writing style". Idk if that has been done before, but it's much better than this advil induced mess.
Librarians are bound by law to NEVER disclose information about a Patron, ESPECALLY what they checked out. We don't even keep a record of what someone checked out without them expressly opting in to having a record, and we can't even see it. There's even a stipulation that says we're not allowed to disclose what a child checks out to their parents, that's how strict library privacy is. So someone randomly wandering in and asking who had the book last is not only stupid, no Librarian would ever do that.
I think, as cheap as it would have been, it would have been less confusing to end it with the main character at her computer looking frustrated. "It's crap!" she would declare angrily. Her friend would reply, "The first draft always is. Now, how are you going to fix it?"
Young women apparently from excellent backgrounds, attending prestigious schools, and looking for "creative" ways to pay tuition? Sounds more like a front for a high class call girl agency than childcare...
"I've got it. What if we took the psychological breakdown of Perfect Blue, glued it to the reality writing becoming reality of In the Mouth of Madness, and then remove everything good that made those films the classics they are?" -The writer's room, probably.
What even??? I convinced myself that Mary=Grace because I liked that idea better than any of the other interpretations, and clearly we don't have a reliable narrator, but... IDK.
A theory i came up with is: Mary disassociates when she writes due to the trauma she suffered at her husband cheating and blowing their money all while she was writing her first or second book. As they state a past "issues". Now I also think the babysitter had issues too but the battle of the two "others" eventually cracked mary out of her issue for her to be ok 1 year later and writing without mental breaks.
i somehow always forget the Ms Jedi has a Lucy Hale thingy in the background so it's save to say that it is always a unplesent suprise to see her again
As someone who struggles with DID, I *hate* this trope so fcking much. It literally demonizes people dealing with PTSD and trauma when in nearly every case of abuse/harm coming to someone in relationships with people with DID it is NEARLY ALWAYS the person with DID being abused. On top of that, do you know how difficult it is to cope with a diagnosis that 99% of the population has only heard about from horror movies? When your family has only seen SPLIT or Psycho or any sort of crap like this- and when a ton of the psychiatric community compares their own patients to said horror movies? Absolutely horrific to see this came out in 2021. Just. Stop demonizing us. We are literally human. For the love of god. I am so tired. Also, ty for covering movies like this and making it super clear that tropes like this are awful and not even written well. Love the videos!
My theory with the movie is that 90% of it was made up by Mary for her book, even the parts about her dissociating and all of Grace's parts -- it all feels a bit off because, well, the movie's not very good tbh. Every time we have a scene where Grace is being weird, there's weird music to it. We keep getting that weird fade-to-next scene effect through-out the whole movie. I don't think Mary even has a mental illness, or that Elaine was even her therapist (why would Elaine write 'Mary 10am) so large on the same sheet she was writing her session with Mary on, maybe it is Grace's and she wants to remember to warn her friend?): After Mary's second meeting with her editors (where one goes "Why not make the protagonist the bad guy) she begins to act even more weird, I think it's just her trying to find a reason for her protagonist (also what seems to be her Self-Insert) to do the things she does and have the audience questioning. The fact that the 'epilogue' has her going to Elaine's grave and then to see Grace in an institution kind of ruins that theory (and, I feel, a lot of the ambiguity the movie was trying to set up), but then I thought maybe these were people in Mary's life before (Maybe Grace is just this girl Mary had once met and bonded with, and Elaine had died years ago) and she decided to put them in her book as well (with clear creative liberties to who and what they are). Like, I don't think any of Grace's parts were real, she was probably just one of the nannies Mary chose and then Mary started coming up with wild ideas about her. The bike's being cut scene might've been either a dropped storyline, or Mary wrote herself into a bit of a hole with it, maybe she was going to have the knife as the weapon and then used scissors instead and then was like "Gotta connect the knife with something I guess" -- I notice that from people who write fanfiction, and because they've already published the previous chapters they feel like they can't go back and edit things so they write themselves into a bigger hole. There was also how Mary was allowed to leave the police station right away, even though she's the top suspect to a murder investigation, and then drive 100 miles to see Grace's aunt. A lot of this might just be bad writing on the film's part though... I have put WAY too much thought into this haven't I?
And the idea of Grace returning in the sequel might, again, completely blow my theory out of the water, but Krammer's daughter is the producer for this film so that's probably what she's doing in the next film too.
18:22 *quicksave* [Intimidation] I AM OVERQUALIFIED COMPARED TO THOSE BRATS [Speech check failed] *reload from past save* [Speech 25] and if you need help around the office, cleaning, whatever...
...Of fucking course. Of COURSE it's DID. Because the horrific damaging representation so far is NOT ENOUGH, RIGHT?? Because it hasn't been said enough times that this is NOT WHAT DID IS, and how much damage this kind of (persistent) media portrayal does to actual people-- God DAMMIT. ...man this is getting real old... :/
2:17 Yeah, not only that but it's not like she's putting people out on the streets and stop writing. She wanted to compromise by getting a ghostwriter and that continue the cash cow series and free her up to raise her family and maybe pursue other things. What the heck? Edit: So they're trying to guilt her into writing because they did their jobs wrong.
This seems like a movie version of a book that was wrote for a week, and sell to boring houswifes for 5 dollars on the sidewalk. Its even have the title for that.
Ha ha remember when this was uploaded 15 minutes ago with no sound? Me neither.
Not at all bestie💖
I just tried to click on it, so I didn't have to wait that long. lol
We saw nothing, we swear
Nope not even a little bit
whaaaa when did that happen? I remember no such thing! /s
Considering the writers had the main character casually try writing a book within a week, it's a telling sign of how quickly this screenplay must have been written.
And how little they actually know about writing a book.
@@oddeyes9413 well, writing a good book anyway. You can certainly churn out a steaming pile of shite in a week should you so choose.
@@celinahatton2653 I don't know if I could even turn out a pile of shit in a week - most novels are above 40,000 words and the most I've ever written in a day was 2800. Granted, my writing isn't shite but still.
@@celinahatton2653 Oh definitely
@@bhvvlogs7814 you'd have to truly, genuinely not care about the quality of work at all, but it could be done. You would have to be completely committed to not caring. However, if you give even the tiniest amount of consideration to plot and character development, then no (or be some kind of writing genius - on that note, I wonder what the shortest writing time period was for what is generally acknowledged to be a good book?)
An " Are you lost, baby girl?" might have saved this movie.
Omg 😂🤣😂
At least it could've had a meme worthy line
@@Spoopybat "she...seduced me" isn't meme worthy?
JAJAJJAJA
I chortled. Thank you for that! 😌
This is what i feel like what happened:
"Hey John did you send that movie pitch to lifetime?"
"I thought we were sending that to Netflix"
"YOU SENT IT TO NETFLIX?!"
"was I wrong?"
Yes, very much Lifetime movie vibes!
Netflix: Thanks already shot it.
"at least we didn't send the draft with that dumb split personality twist........ our career would be ruined"
"that wasn't the draft i was supposed to send"
😂😂😂😂😂
Netflix: That twist is great. Everyone is talking about it.
Don't worry, you could post a video about the most outdated, overdone, and/or obscure movie and I'd still watch it
See outdated and obscure at least has the originality or renaissance potential
How is it obscure and overdone
@@AmandaTheJedi i'd watch you reviewing wall paint drying for 4 hours.
@@bobbivotson2529 @Amanda the Jedi While reading out fanfiction of AlicexBella
Yeah, who doesn't like watching female Axel rose yell at clouds :)
"She....seduced me" is the new "She's got shark strength!"
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Where is that shark quote from? 😂
@@7Mushrooms7 The horrendous kiddie Netflix movie “We can be Heroes”.
i forgot about that omg
Lolololol ☠️
This whole movie sounds like a fever dream of a 14 year old girl who's watched too many murder mysteries and Fifty Shades fanfics.
@@floschad9771 uh what
I am personally ashamed that I watched this movie on my own free will
Same here and I can't believe I subjected my poor wife to it as well.
It is due to your and Amanda's sacrifice that we don't have to
So did my sister and I 😂😂
Lol me fuckin too
Same
Deadly Illusions isn't the bisexual representation we have been waiting for...
...Kidding we just want Amanda's Alice x Bella fanfic video
YES! I...I mean. That’d be cool.
I could say Amanda’s Alice x Bella video is the reason I wake up every morning and it wouldn’t be as much of an exaggeration as one would say it is.
But you can't make money out of fanfiction so she couldn't read it out on TH-cam.
I would pay actual money to have this fanfic produced as an audio play.
@@Mecharnie_Dobbs Tell that to E L James
Honestly, as a childcare worker this makes me so mad at the portrayal of childcare workers... and all the sexual harassment makes me so angry!
what about the extreme misrepresentation of DID
@@Mayra9148 you're right but i think there are too much things to get mad at in this movie. Let's just throw it all in the garbage disposal.
@@Mayra9148 Everyone has issues that are more personal to them than others, no need to get caught up in one-upmanship games.
Free chair, Get your free chairs, for hitting bitches & creeps for sexual harassment!!!!
A week for a novel is the most unrealistic thing about this movie. I've been writing like 1000-2000 words a day and it's been 12 days. And what I'm writing is NOVELLA LENGTH.
it ended up being a month I think. There was a 'three weeks later' title card after she finished the first draft so I feeeellll the one week was incase it didn't work out she could just let Grace go after the week
@@AmandaTheJedi Okay that's more realistic.
Depends on your quality control Jackson.
I feel your pain Jackson, I’m writing a novel that is just, it’s gonna kill me, I started in 2018. Please send help. What’s your novella about btw?
@@fightingmedialounge519 That's what editors are for. ;)
I hate the "young people don't read" sterotype, it's so stupid
We do, the fact that we don't read what boomers think is acceptable is another tune
We should go back to the old days when grown-ups criticize the kids for reading books. It'll hurt their memories I was told.
But seriously, this is a cliche that's been around I think since the 60s.
@@katherinealvarez9216 tastes change over time, some people can't accept that. Hence why they won't stop teaching Shakespeare
I know right? I read all sorts of manga, hentai, Yaoi, smut, mature fantasy genres. 😒
Young people DEVOUR books, when they aren't being criticized or tested on it :v Reading for homework? Removes the fun of reading :v
Is the sound working now or is it just a DEADLY ILLUSION?
Good one! 😂
Harsh burn Grzegorz, but warranted
The media needs to stop making a DID character as a villain. It's creating more stigma.
yeah most did people are not dangerous.
And at least if they’re going to do it they should present it realistically with an explanation for the trauma and not demonizing the person with DID. What they did with Josh’s schizophrenia in the game Until Dawn was pretty good. He wasn’t shown as just a villain but someone who was struggling and unwell.
@@JP-et9hv Which is fairly accurate. He lost his friends because of it too
Devil's-advocate: there are two characters with DID and a third who hears voices. Only one of these three is the villain. One is a hugely successful writer. That's positive representation.
@@ddjsoyenby There is only one known case of a person with DID who killed people - and that was NOT because of his DID; he would've killed people even *without* the DID. That's why he was jailed, and his defence of having DID was thrown out - and rightly so. Anyone with an identity disorder will tell you there is such a thing as 'system responsibility.'
Hollywood needs to fucking STOP with this outright *myth* of people with DID/OSDD having 'eeevil alters' just because they can't be arsed to think up a new way of making their killers 'quirky.' It literally makes ZERO SENSE for someone with an identity disorder to have alters that inflict violence on others - THAT'S NOT HOW THE DISORDER EVEN WORKS. It's a lie perpetuated by a section of the media who can't be arsed to do the proper research - I'm pretty sure by now that it's just the same, crappy crib sheet, barfed together by an intern in 1998 who did a ten-second Google search while high on crack, that gets passed around to all the studio execs in LA.
And it does *huge damage* to the DID/OSDD community. It's hard enough for us to even persuade people to recognise it as an actual, real disorder at all - but now, when they do, they're supposed to think we've all got a token 'psycho alter' buried somewhere inside us, just waiting to be unleashed if someone 'pushes us too far?' If they maligned a whole section of society who WEREN'T already vulnerable and misunderstood, they'd get the ASSES sued off them for slander - but nooo, people with mental health disorders are fair game. I mean, who's gonna take THEM seriously, they're crazy already, amirite, ha ha..! IT NEEDS TO STOP.
Ah yes, because we all know that the only thing keeping couples faithful is a steady flow of schtoinking, and if you cease for even a week or two, your partner will go stick it in someone else. Sound psychological advice from the therapist friend.
As the girlfriend of an airman....this cracked me up 😂
I think that's a thing bad romances have made some people think. That if you're not banging your girlfriend, boyfriend, wife or husband from dawn til dusk they'll immediately cheat on you.
There are people who genuinely believe this. I learned the hard way not to ask the internet for dating advice when you're not interested in sex, because people either accuse you of being a gold digger or they say "so you don't want love, you want a friend?" People are stupid.
Why are you guys commenting as if the word "schtoinking" *isn't* completely ludicrous? I can't be the only one who noticed.
taking shots during deadly illusions for:
- stigmatising and BLATANTLY wrong depiction of DID
- black best friend
- black best friend is the first to die
- bisexuality = villainy / mental instability
- woman employee just, like, existing in the same space = "she was asking for it!"
@@user-leavemealone The only way to please people who complains about the black best friend trope is to make the whole cast "diverse" and the bad guy is white.
Wow a lot of backhanded racism in the replies, yikes
@@user-leavemealone so you care more abt a career than accurately displaying the world as it is in film?
@@philtess3126 yeah that's exactly what people mean when they say that. It's not like what they're actually asking for is black characters to exist with independent goals/character development in stories and not needing to specifically serve the main white character as a flat 1 dimensional accessory.
This has gotten a bit better over the years, but you're being an ass.
@@philtess3126 wrong. The best way is to not kill off your token black guys within the first act of the screen play.
Some adults don’t realize that books can be read on your phone.
That's right! Honestly I always forget that. I must be the youngest boomer ever lol.
“you were gone for nearly 3 hours”
“wow just enough time for a murder”
change its delivery cadence and this totally could've been the husband's response.
there is no way the publishers would not just pay her for the rights and hire a ghost writer-- who doesn't Turn Into A Different Person while writing
That's what she thought they were gonna talk to her about when her publisher visited at the beginning. It made their insistence extra weird.
Well, I’m fairly certain she would have to agree depending on what’s in her contract. An author retains creative rights for their works unless otherwise stated (which is a contract which should never be signed) and the publisher usually just gets distribution rights. I could be wrong, but I’ve been researching this stuff for a long time.
Have a librarian in my family...yeah, that library scene would never, EVER happen. They can't even share library records with spouses, much less random ladies off the street with no relation whatsoever.
I was a librarian clerk. I would have been fired so fast
@Maddy McLean I'm guessing only parents can access it for their child(ren)? Or if their kids are older then no?
Librarian here. A lot of times we don’t even keep a history of what people check out. Once the items are returned it’s removed from the record. That’s why the Patriot Act was strongly opposed by librarians. We take patron privacy VERY seriously.
That's interesting. Is there a specific reason why? Like a specific historical case of information being leaked that led to tighter security being seen as necessary to prevent it happening again, or is it entirely precautionary to prevent that in the first place?
@@KaylaKasel Not from the country itself so my info might be wrong, but I heard it comes from the fact that the government can use that act to request information on users and the librarians can't do anything about it. I remember hearing that to protest that, librarians put signs on the walls saying 'you might be under surveillance due to the patriot act and we wouldn't be allowed to tell you, so please take precautions'. Confidentiality is very important to librarians.
We want to prevent people from accessing our users history of checked out items because that information i no-one's business except the person who checked out the items.
I learned the details of the patriot act while studying to become a librarian, but I live in another country and my memory isn't perfect so there might be things missing from my explanation.
Did I already watch this movie on Kennie J.D's channel? Yes. Will I watch it again for Amanda's commentary? Yes
what's up, fellow home skillet biscuit?
samee
I love both channels as well ✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧ Watching reviews on B-rate/trash movies is one of my favorite things to do.
SAME HERE GIRL/DUDE/NON-BINARY!
Same 😂
I feel like the person who wrote this said "Hail Mary, full of Grace" at some point and then got ~inspired~
😲
Ewwww
😂😂😂
Pfft, nice.
Underrated comment.
So the screenwriters thought it takes somewhere between a week and a month to write a publishable book? That explains a lot...
Lmao that's what I was thinking
That burn was so spot-on
Sounds like those times when you tell a friend about a dream you had and they go "You should write it down, turn it into a movie."
It does not do to dwell on dreams.
Amanda using twilight characters as censors are the bane of my existence lmao
Bane?! I LIVE for that lol
Right work 🎉
A menace
I'm a librarian. I'm screaming. Our patrons' privacy is our most important priority. That should never happen.
Librarians would sooner chuck all records in a woodchipper then set fire to the confetti.
@@IvoirePunk I honestly wish that was how we destroy records now 😆 Instead it's just a boring old shredder :/
@@Alyss93 🤣
Didn't know librarians could scream
I've always wanted to do this.
Oh boy, here I go......
SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Hard ew gross to the mother character feeling both motherly and sexual towards the babysitter...
Yeahp. I had red flags popping up 😂
I'm just gonna go with a "bad self-insert fanfic written by someone who REALLY likes Mary's books" and call it a day before I get a headache.
too late for me, I had to take two aspirin directly afterwards.
same.
Great idea
"Leaves a lot up to interpretation" = "the director couldn't come up with good answers so they half assed it."
Some viewers like being able to interpret things.
@@Mecharnie_Dobbs Yes, when it's a good story that has a lot of thought put into it. This is not that.
The bottom line is that the screenwriter hallucinated it all.
**Black Butterfly theme intensifies**
I can only imagine the script writing process involved some weed.
Legit, it had to have started out as someone's weird ass dream.
I watched this movie with my partner and he joked about Mary and the babysitter and ... well, we sat there for the rest of the movie just incredibly awkward and wondering what the hell was happening. It was ... a movie for sure.
But was it, though?
or was it just a dream...
@@rose191991 or DEADY ILLUSION.... I'll go back to studying now...
@@rose191991 A fever dream, sure.
The problem is most people confuse DID with some types of Schizophrenia where you will hear voices or even conjure another sort of personality that you can converse with. Media does this A LOT. Like...so much.
The problem is people have incredibly misinformed, stigmatizing ideas about both DID and schizophrenia spectrum disorders. People confused about DID are just as incorrect about schizophrenia at the end of the day, speaking as someone with a schizospec disorder and partners who are both plural and schizospec.
Most people also don't realize epilepsy also causes auditory hallucinations like voices. They're generally non-violent and rarely say the same thing twice, however.
DID has very few documented cases also, many mental health] professionals question its validity period.
@@sorayaalcyone2726 That's actually not the case so much anymore. On both points but mostly the latter. You should check out DissociaDID on youtube. It's very informative. If I remember correctly, most professionals accept it as a valid diagnosis now and it's about as common as natural red hair (roughly 3% I think).
@@CallMeKes dissociadid is a horrible source lmfao. she doesn't (or at least didnt, when i still watch her) cite her sources properly, as they're often would have little to do with the topic supposedly being discussed (or no relation at all, just linked for the sake of being linked) or from some shady org with questionable credentials. there's no real data or paper backing up the claim that DID is as common as people with red hair, especially bc one reason DID diagnosis is so hard to get because it shares a lot of symptoms with shit ton other disorders.
criticisms for dissociadid aside, honestly for heavy and complex topics like mental disorders people shouldn't turn to pop culture (including youtubers) for explanation. go to the actual studies, read the actual papers. even if someone does suffer from something, that doesn't make them an expert, reliable to pass on correct information. the only reliable info they can pass is their own personal, subjective experience living with X; not necessarily the science behind X.
Wait, grace actually existed? You had me thinking for a minute that Mary made her up entirely
That would have been better!
Yeah, I thought she was grace the whole time kinda like in the fight club. But maybe she is and she's imagining visiting herself in the mental facility?? Idk...
I think that is what the producers wanted you to think. 🙄
same 😂
Funnily enough, there's a story about DID I read that does something like that. It's called The Eighth Girl, and a big twist in the story...
*SPOILERS*
Is that two characters the main character is close to (Her stepmother/mother & best friend) are actually alters in her system. It's an effective and incredibly DEVASTATING twist for the protagonist (On top of everything else going on in the story), and it almost drives her to suicide.
Honestly I thought we were done with thrillers about people with DID who has a murderous alter...... Not only is it super harmful to real people with DID, but it also is just a bad, poorly researched writing cliche.
I mean I thought we were done with presenting pagan and witches as evil satanic villains but oh look we ain't. Stop acting like people with DID are the only group who get misrepresented
@@NeloBladeOfRanni when did I say they are the only people who are ever misrepresented?
@@Emma-zc5jm because it's funny how y'all never get mad when pagans and witches are misrepresented but yet when any other gets misrepresented your so damn mad. Heck y'all deny the vile actions your ancestors commited towards pagans and witches during the witch trials
@@NeloBladeOfRanni lol when the fuck did I deny anything that happened in the witch trials? Stop projecting holy shit
Hell no 🤣 They're just getting started got another hundred or so years of being exploited just like black ppl and gay ppl and witches and ppl with depression and ppl with psychosis and ppl with physical disability and people with an ever so slightly different culture or accent like when all the villains were British or Russian. Ahhh profiting off of the weak an intrical part of every culture
Its the demon voice, the vulnerability of the young girl working for an older woman and somehow being the villain, and the misrepresentation of DID for me.
So everything? Same.
It seems pretty clear that the plot to this is that the producers had a bunch of porn scripts that they couldn't get the clearance to make so they just wrote in some lazy author narrative device and a mystery that they didn't have an answer to in hopes that it would tie it all together.
People don't get murdered in porn films so what did grace do to the therapist originally?
@@Mecharnie_Dobbs Sounds like you have a very narrow window of stuff you search for. Or that's the mystery stuff they tried to throw in. Pick your poison.
If I see one more goddamn movie showing DID portraying an alter as a murderer I'm gonna LOSE IT.
i saw the title and i clicked immediately because. i watched this movie and am in dire need of seeing someone tear it apart. it was so. bad. and not even in a good way but in a "you've just been hatecrimed luv" way
So it’s basically a WASP suburban wine mom fan fiction who want to explore the ‘dark forbidden side’
Yup
Yay, we're back with sound!!
I wonder if it was copyright claimed?
Nah, no idea what happened, something with my export messed up and I didn't notice
@@AmandaTheJedi I'm glad you were able to get it working!
@@feferis yeah
my sister and i watched this when it came out, we were both convinced it was the "predatory bi/lesbian preying on an unsuspecting hetero woman" trope. i can say it at least didn't disappoint in that aspect.
Being called a bestie gives me serotonin
Callmekevin starts his videos with "hey there friends" and i'm never not happy to hear it. It's amazing how little it takes sometimes
ok bestie :)
@@lilywest9552 THANK YOU BESTIE
Bunny Farmer np ily bestie
Looks like someone tried to write some 50 Shades fanfic, got drunk off Four Loko and fell asleep watching The Shining.
This quote needs to be on the movie's DVD release.
"This is one of those sensual thrillers, that means PEOPLE DO IT!"
This literally sums up every sensual thriller
It's very very not allowed to share patron information, even just the books they checked out. I'm a librarian and can attest to that
Yeah, my best friend is a librarian and I used to volunteer at the library and no library is giving out information on anyone.
God, the "young people don't read anymore" trope drives me up the wall.
Partly because I read, partly because it just smacks of older generations talking down to younger generations as if they're unintelligent, and partly because it's just flat out wrong!
According to statista, people 18-29 are the *most* likely to have read at least one book in the last year!
If anyone is curious, it's 81% of the 18-19 group, compared to 72% for 30-49 y.o, and then 67 & 68% respectively for the 50-65 and 65+ groups.
Also about the 'kids don't read these days' thing, plenty of kids are reading they're just reading on their phones. It could be anything from published books to Wikipedia articles/articles to fanfiction and other stuff. Just because they're not reading a physical book doesn't mean they're not reading, I haven't read from an actual book in like 2 years but I read almost everyday from my phone
I’m reading this comment rn!
Not to mention reading has changed. A lot of people also read things like fanfiction and graphic novels, webcomics, and hell the visual novel genre is huge for a reason and involves SO much reading. I'm sure I'd be strung up by the literary community for saying it but honestly there are visual novels I've played that are better than plenty of books I've read, they're just another artistic and literary medium and I thinks should be treated fairly as such.
The writer has to be a straight woman trying to imagine lesbian fanfic 😂 it’s SO bad 😂 smdh
Mormon lady...big Stephanie Myers energy
watched one lesbian p0rn0 and thought that’s just how it works?? lol
Feels more like a man writing lesbians to me tbh but I could be wrong
😭😭 the gif of Jim asking “what is going on ??” Was so random I cracked up
This reminds me of a made for TV movie from the 90's.
It's exactly like that
In all the worst ways...
The villainization of D.I.D. makes me really uncomfortable. Like even systems that do have persecutors very very rarely hurt people, at most they will harm the body. The reason being (at least the reason for my system) is that they feel that it's the host's fault that they went through their trauma. They internalize that anger and instead of taking it out on other people, they take it out on the body and/or other alters.
Agreed. Our ex-persecutor never went off on **anyone** except me, not even verbally. Instead he would actively hide from people outside of the system. During our hardest times, he and I (the host) would have a difficult relationship seeing as he would hurt me in our headspace, it was the only way he knew how to keep me from harming the body. He never was hurtful for the sake of hurting me. It's just the only way he found to protect us.
Ultimately, systems are born to protect. Why so many people picture systems as dangerous is beyond me.
What exactly is a system? Ik I can Google it but I don't want to be fed misinfo
@@jacklyntree7752 A system is the term we use to refer to our headmates, because ultimately it's a system of personalities who protect the host/body. Some people have large systems (20 or more personalities) and others have rather small systems (10 or less, like me. though I was diagnosed last year so we're still finding out about new headmates). it's easier to say "our system" than it is to say "me and all the others in the head space." It's the most widely recognized term for it and is the easiest to understand.
@@DeathBeeWillGetYou Oh okay, thank you
@@jacklyntree7752 No problem! I'm always happy to clear things up even though I may not always be right just because of how new my diagnosis is.
Wow Charlotte from Sex and the City is having a wild life now.
I thought that was her!
A topic on which I am not well-versed?
A piece of media I have not seen/do not intend to see?
Amanda makes a video talking about it: I’m in! 👍🏻
Edit: Ohhhh noooo 🤦🏼♀️ more (potentially ?) stigmatisation about DID in shoddy media. Gd it.
“There’s just too much going on in all the wrong ways.”
Yes, Amanda. Yes.
Amanda is where I get all my Twilight info. She translates str8 into lesbian lol.
@@jenitoten2212 lol 😂 same! I’m obsessed with how much she ships bella and alice... and I didn’t even know who or what an alice was until her twilight vids 😆
@@autumn_equinox I always thought it was Alice as in Alice in wonderland till my spouse showed me her Twilight Video. And Belle from, ya know Beauty and the Beast. LoL
@@jenitoten2212 Really? That’s great 😂 Though not sure I like the idea of the age difference between those two, I confess I’m always here for some disney femslash! You might say I’m “femslash trash” 🗑 Just toss me in the bin lol
@@autumn_equinox what Alice is 15 in the cartoon and Belle can't be 17. LoL
"I'm not... young..." Amanda, you still look 16. You've looked 16 since I started watching you. Share your secrets of immortality with us!
I remember working as a hostess (you basically greet and seat everybody who walks in) at a restaurant and my go to activity when it was not busy and I had no other work to do was to read only because customers and management would not get mad at me for it. They would be super impressed especially if I told them it wasn't for school.
This movie is 100% a LifeTime movie but just on netflix and that was the saving grace while watching this. I knew it was gonna be bad but MAN.... did they overachieve in that department 🤭
I see what you did there.
As a multiple myself, Amanda: THANK YOU for calling out bad representation of dissociative disorders and multiplicity. Thank you so so much. Movies gotta stop. Movies REALLY gotta stop.
The acting looks like they filmed the rehearsals and nothing else!😂
Indeed it does
"I'm..not..young.." I felt that in my soul. 😭🤣
The worst part about getting to the end of your videos is realizing that I'm at the longest point in time until I get to watch your next video.
Ok, but why does Grace look so cute though? Her hair, tied up with the ribbon and the cute light blue dress. Massive Belle from Beauty and Beast vibes.
Amanda constantly introducing me to movies that I will never have to suffer through because of these videos...thank you.
She really takes one for the team, and I appreciate it a lot
I can’t believe I let tiktok convince me to watch this.
Yo, the same thing happened to me. I'm sad now
About at 10:50, when you say “there’s alot of options and everything is stupid “ is where I had to pause to write thanks. I’ve already laughed out loud several times, and you’ve also saved this whole movie by turning it into a 20 minute 🎭(I don’t have Netflix). Now I’m going back for the second half!
Anyone else watch these videos, without any intention of watching the movies just because Amanda is so funny and cool? ❤ Much love from the Midwest! 🇺🇲
First convo with nanny killer was so cringey I would have hired security for a year after she leaves my mansion.
'Grace' doesn't exist. 'Margaret' = Mary - Mary can literally be a short form of Margaret. Notepad with PTSD etc with Mary's name, 'Grace' supposedly had PTSD from abusive parents. Mary = Grace = Margaret etc.
Dude said 'I don't want to play these games with you anymore' - he wasn't talking to 'Grace', he was talking to Mary, dude was financially irresponsible but loved his wife who would 'pretend' to be crazy to get into the head space to write her successful horror novels so he would play along, but she was especially extreme with this one (as she was actually cray-cray) and he didn't want to play along anymore + Elaine growing worried about danger Mary posed to herself/other people and so Mary killed her to silence her but also to recreate her book to get even more into the head space.
The whole Mary/Grace sex stuff was basically narcissism etc. - she had boobs like that when she was younger etc.
I mean, pretty sure the only time we see Grace interact with other people was Tom and the kids and in visions/memories/dreams in Mary's head, ergo Tom was playing along while everything else Mary's imagination.
That’s what I was getting from it and I kept thinking of the movie Hide n seek.
🙌🏼
That's exactly it! There's no Grace in that story. Even if they do a sequel, it will be some bull crap to make people believed there was a Grace just to ease the minds.
This is so innocuous in the face of… everything else but one thing that stuck out to me was that guy who told Mary to “lean into the dark” when it came to her writing even after she blatantly admitted that writing those books put her in a dark place and she didn’t want to go there again. It was so wildly insensitive to her? And then I realized that everyone in her life is like that even when she’s telling them directly that writing this series does awful things to her mental health, no one cares beyond the profit she can make for them and it’s actually really sad. I feel genuinely bad for her.
I really like the idea of it being Mary's writing exercises. Would love a good movie that utilizes that idea.
I absolutely *hate* mental disabilities and related issues being used as a horror trope, as well as physical disfigurement and stuff like that. It's horrible, disrespectful, and just adds to the stigma. Thanks for covering this Amanda!
You know what they should’ve done. Mary should have DID, don’t worry, it’s a good altar (like detective reporter when she’s in writing mode bc She writes thriller novels) and Grace good girl and bad girl side should’ve been an act. Sure It wouldn’t fix the story but It make a such a great spin on it.
Did I do good? Or did I offend more? Because I didn’t wanna demonize it. please let me know and I’ll delete it if it’s negative 🥺
I let out an actual shriek of laughter when she said she can write a novel in a week. I think my neighbour's must be wondering what's going on
omg you reminded me of wendy from gravity falls😭
I knew she looked familiar when I first started watching her and I think that is why
Holy shit, THAT’S who it is!! I couldn’t put my finger on it!! Hard agree, esp in this outfit lmao
“Guys, it’s only been a week” 😂
I thought we were seeing Mary’s book being played out. When in reality none of it was actually happening. I was so confused by the bike tire scene and the crazy waves by the cave scene. Also, when Mary’s husband said she had been gone for three hours, where did she go? The cigars drove me nuts because they didn’t seem to fit the character. And the bra shopping scene was so cringy. All in all this movie is all over the place and confusing.
Yay! Audio fixed! Great to see you again Amanda!
Thank You So Much for calling out the awful portrayal of did in media like this. its so boring and annoying and frustrating when something pulls the 'omg it was an evil second personality all along how scary!!!'. like, not only is did a condition that comes from sustained childhood abuse and the brain trying to protect itself from that trauma, but people with did are much more likely to suffer future abuse rather than being the abuser afaik. bc, yknow, when someone has missing chunks of memory and a history of severe abuse its incredibly easy to take advantage of them. the child like behaviour at the end may have been because alters can be children, and people who have gone through childhood trauma do sometimes age regress for periods of time. not sure if that was actually why they included it considering everything else about their portrayal of dissociative disorders is horrendous, but yeah
Me: "Is this still a movie?"
Still Me after watching: Did I just have a stroke? Is this a fever dream? What the hell is happening? WHAT WAS THE PLOT!?
Damn, I wish I could make my own self-insert fanfic and turn it into a Netflix movie. Because this is essentially what this movie is: a self-insert fantasy of the creator that just happened to become an actual script for a movie.
the writer/director is also a producer along with 2 of the actresses (Grace and Elaine)
4:24 I'm a young person so I'll back you up on this: I'm 16-years-old and I read 20 books last year :)
Awesome! 👏 I wish I could find the time to read that many books haha
I read 1 book every 2 to 4 days when I was about 10, and now that I'm older I read less than ever.
4:20 I HATE IT when i (a thriteen year old) read some book and some random adult comes up to me and ASKS: ,,So you kids can read, too." WELL NO SHIT B**cH I AM 13 NOT 5. GOD DAMN IT. That actually happend, but i just said: ,,yeah, i went to elementary school."
I think it would've been interesting that if Mary imagined how Grace looked compared to a regular nanny because she's imagining how her MC character looks or the villian/killer looks. And she goes crazy stalking her and obsessed with her till she calms down and out of her zone to realize "Grace" wasn't her Grace when she's over her dead body.
Oh and her therapist isn't a friend but a relative/family friend that she goes to to talk while her regular therapist is on vacation. And Mary does have friends but none that close she can talk about her "writing style".
Idk if that has been done before, but it's much better than this advil induced mess.
I love how Lucy Hale just be chillin in the background 😂
Librarians are bound by law to NEVER disclose information about a Patron, ESPECALLY what they checked out. We don't even keep a record of what someone checked out without them expressly opting in to having a record, and we can't even see it. There's even a stipulation that says we're not allowed to disclose what a child checks out to their parents, that's how strict library privacy is. So someone randomly wandering in and asking who had the book last is not only stupid, no Librarian would ever do that.
I think, as cheap as it would have been, it would have been less confusing to end it with the main character at her computer looking frustrated.
"It's crap!" she would declare angrily.
Her friend would reply, "The first draft always is. Now, how are you going to fix it?"
This really is just Basic Instinct meets Fight Club
Minus the good writing and actual answers.
Young women apparently from excellent backgrounds, attending prestigious schools, and looking for "creative" ways to pay tuition? Sounds more like a front for a high class call girl agency than childcare...
Young people don't read...
Me, a 20 year old bookseller who works in a children and young adult book store: sure
Lol
As someone who’s part of a system, Jesus the amount of issues here is insane
"I've got it. What if we took the psychological breakdown of Perfect Blue, glued it to the reality writing becoming reality of In the Mouth of Madness, and then remove everything good that made those films the classics they are?"
-The writer's room, probably.
Literally most people with DID are like, “yeah sometimes I’m this guy but on occasions and we both have the same job so whatever.”
What even???
I convinced myself that Mary=Grace because I liked that idea better than any of the other interpretations, and clearly we don't have a reliable narrator, but... IDK.
A theory i came up with is: Mary disassociates when she writes due to the trauma she suffered at her husband cheating and blowing their money all while she was writing her first or second book. As they state a past "issues". Now I also think the babysitter had issues too but the battle of the two "others" eventually cracked mary out of her issue for her to be ok 1 year later and writing without mental breaks.
i somehow always forget the Ms Jedi has a Lucy Hale thingy in the background so it's save to say that it is always a unplesent suprise to see her again
As someone who struggles with DID, I *hate* this trope so fcking much. It literally demonizes people dealing with PTSD and trauma when in nearly every case of abuse/harm coming to someone in relationships with people with DID it is NEARLY ALWAYS the person with DID being abused.
On top of that, do you know how difficult it is to cope with a diagnosis that 99% of the population has only heard about from horror movies? When your family has only seen SPLIT or Psycho or any sort of crap like this- and when a ton of the psychiatric community compares their own patients to said horror movies?
Absolutely horrific to see this came out in 2021. Just. Stop demonizing us. We are literally human. For the love of god. I am so tired.
Also, ty for covering movies like this and making it super clear that tropes like this are awful and not even written well. Love the videos!
My theory with the movie is that 90% of it was made up by Mary for her book, even the parts about her dissociating and all of Grace's parts -- it all feels a bit off because, well, the movie's not very good tbh.
Every time we have a scene where Grace is being weird, there's weird music to it. We keep getting that weird fade-to-next scene effect through-out the whole movie. I don't think Mary even has a mental illness, or that Elaine was even her therapist (why would Elaine write 'Mary 10am) so large on the same sheet she was writing her session with Mary on, maybe it is Grace's and she wants to remember to warn her friend?): After Mary's second meeting with her editors (where one goes "Why not make the protagonist the bad guy) she begins to act even more weird, I think it's just her trying to find a reason for her protagonist (also what seems to be her Self-Insert) to do the things she does and have the audience questioning.
The fact that the 'epilogue' has her going to Elaine's grave and then to see Grace in an institution kind of ruins that theory (and, I feel, a lot of the ambiguity the movie was trying to set up), but then I thought maybe these were people in Mary's life before (Maybe Grace is just this girl Mary had once met and bonded with, and Elaine had died years ago) and she decided to put them in her book as well (with clear creative liberties to who and what they are). Like, I don't think any of Grace's parts were real, she was probably just one of the nannies Mary chose and then Mary started coming up with wild ideas about her. The bike's being cut scene might've been either a dropped storyline, or Mary wrote herself into a bit of a hole with it, maybe she was going to have the knife as the weapon and then used scissors instead and then was like "Gotta connect the knife with something I guess" -- I notice that from people who write fanfiction, and because they've already published the previous chapters they feel like they can't go back and edit things so they write themselves into a bigger hole.
There was also how Mary was allowed to leave the police station right away, even though she's the top suspect to a murder investigation, and then drive 100 miles to see Grace's aunt. A lot of this might just be bad writing on the film's part though...
I have put WAY too much thought into this haven't I?
And the idea of Grace returning in the sequel might, again, completely blow my theory out of the water, but Krammer's daughter is the producer for this film so that's probably what she's doing in the next film too.
18:22
*quicksave*
[Intimidation] I AM OVERQUALIFIED COMPARED TO THOSE BRATS
[Speech check failed]
*reload from past save*
[Speech 25] and if you need help around the office, cleaning, whatever...
...Of fucking course. Of COURSE it's DID. Because the horrific damaging representation so far is NOT ENOUGH, RIGHT?? Because it hasn't been said enough times that this is NOT WHAT DID IS, and how much damage this kind of (persistent) media portrayal does to actual people--
God DAMMIT.
...man this is getting real old... :/
It's really annoying. I don't have DID, but I do suffer from various mental disorders, and it gets so annoying when we get demonized.
2:17 Yeah, not only that but it's not like she's putting people out on the streets and stop writing. She wanted to compromise by getting a ghostwriter and that continue the cash cow series and free her up to raise her family and maybe pursue other things. What the heck?
Edit: So they're trying to guilt her into writing because they did their jobs wrong.
This seems like a movie version of a book that was wrote for a week, and sell to boring houswifes for 5 dollars on the sidewalk. Its even have the title for that.
“THAT MEANS PEOPLE DO IT”
Honest to god, what a chaotic MOOD