Jpeg would you ever make an episode on the genuine criticisms of DCAS that dont involve fans saying "X was wasted potential" or "X should have won" and make like a response to any valid criticisms you hear about the episodes and the overall themes?
I think theres a certain perception of the fanbase thats not necessarily whats actually being represented with our thought process. And everyone sorta gets lumped in together sometimes so it feels like the points made only apply to like certain members in the discord/twitter, while a subsect of fans have genuine issues or questions. Much love and respect cant wait to see you and Newsie again on the podcast 🙏🏿
I feel EP10, 11 and EP18 got a bit too much hate because most of the fandom was very idolized in how things should had went to please the audience and not necessarily what made sense for the characters. Ep10, while that was Jake's original elimination in Version 1-3, wouldn't have had the same effect if he went there. He'd have another impulsive moment only to lose to it -again- and actually learn little from it -again- whereas Ashley going in his place was a lot more effective because his(and Aiden and Ally's) actions had real consequences in getting someone else eliminated trying to gun each other down. That was the trio's but mostly Jake's awakening call that while he is haunted by his past and what went on with Tom his actions greatly matters in trying to mend with himself and others in present time. And Ashley got to leave with dignity knowing she went as a loyal friend and not like Ellie who threw him to the wolves back in Season 1. So many people went on a crusade against his screen time which can be valid but the same can be said for Riya who had almost 60 confessions leading her to first place. But it was only a problem when it came to Jake. The criticism against 11 was so confusing to me because it had everything the loudmouths wanted and they kept acting like this was the end for the characters when in reality it was a band aid for the motel episode and the two part finale. But they kept going as if THIS was the two part finale. And even then in the motel the episode got some hate because of the way Yul became a helper, never minding that nearly all of the eliminated characters(Save for Lake, Ashley and Miriam but even then they got valuable screen time) had important key elements in assisting the final 3 in some way. 18 was such an odd stepping stone but it also proves that most of the fandom don't understand that tension is needed to create a realistic stressful situation and that you can't seriously expect a comfort episode on the final elimination day. Connor's actions in terms of losing himself to the game made sense, but my only criticism to this episode in particular is that Ally saw Connor with the hairband and still proceeds to try to one up Jake. S2 characters seems to have a short temporary dementia where they forget everything they just saw(Aiden did this in EP7-9, Ally in 15 and 18 and Connor 18) but I would not had called this a bad episode. I also wouldn't say Jake regressing a little was "undoing his development" and once again most of the people with that claim don't understand how healing works and how it isn't linear. At some point I remember having to mute the Hype Channel because there was three people in particular that shall not be named here, who kept, no joke, criticizing EP15-21 for 24/7 days until they saw their faves again in 21 to which they finally shut up for a little bit and they are STILL. To this day. Bringing up how bad DCAS is and advertising newcomers to skip to the finale to "not waste time". I understand losing your bet horse sucks but complaining about it and acting like they are better writer than proof readers and professional writers for more than THREE MONTHS EVERY SINGLE DAY FROM WAKE TO SLEEP at this point left an unsavory taste in my mouth. And no matter how much you and I would try to make them see it differently it always circled down to the TDI mindset or "rushed plots". Sorry, that got annoying to me. I think this is a valid tierlist and I thank you for sharing insight with us in the Hype Chat whenever you stopped by. I loved seeing you share hype and general information whenever you had time. Too bad a lot of the good stuff drowned out by the critical Pinocchio nose folks, though there are many cool fans too who appreciate ONC and all the effort you all put into making Disventure Camp an amazing experience. Feel free to tag me whenever DCAS becomes a topic in the GGP channel. I love the series(the flaws I think it have is different than what is usually being said but it didn't affect me negatively) Thank you for your contribution and have a nice day.
While this is a valid read, I feel like it grossly oversimplifies the negative perceptions people had with the episodes, by basically concluding that a lot of the fans are either stupid, dont know any better, or just missed the point of a few plotlines/characters
like I feel theres a piece we're missing instead of boiling down a lot of complaints to being unfairly critical or misconstrued, from what you described it seems theres no reason to hate on all stars at all if the points you made are based in truth
I kind of disagree, I gave the episodes some grace , and re watched MULTIPLE times. Ep 10-11 were good but ep 14 , 18, and 20 were the 3 most terribly written episodes. The inconsistencies (mostly 18 and 20) , the plot not being concrete, the contrived situations for unnecessary drama, and by ep 20 you just don’t care anymore because it’s a hot mess trying to convey a big message through mediocre , inconsistent, sometimes even painful writing….
I want to come back and say disventure camp s3 has little to no replay value after the halfway point , I just hope and ask for S4 to be better and to make more sense…
I respectfully disagree with the opinion regarding the scene from episode 20. Why didn't either Ally or Jake suspect that Riya had done something with the contents of their backpacks while they weren't looking? Riya has been manipulating Ally for a good time of the competition, and Ally should have known better than to trust Riya when she suddenly becomes nice and offers to chat a little before the finale. I also don't understand the point of adding this scene when, at the end of the day, the conflict in the challenge is about Riya and Ally, and the contents of Jake's letter is quickly forgotten by the plot anyway. This scene just makes Ally seem incredibly naive by being easily manipulated by Riya once again, refusing to give Jake a chance to explain himself, and without thinking about it more than twice (hmm, maybe Riya, who is an actress who has so far shown that she doesn't care about us in the slightest, wanted something by pretending to be nice to us? Maybe she actually did something to our backpacks when we weren't looking? Hmm...) I also don't understand what was tried to be achieved with 'Alec's redemption arc' when he never learns that his behavior towards his son was abusive. I really hated that Alec and Connor's conflict was about Alec kissing Riya instead of Alec's morality and Connor not wanting to be associated with a guy who openly and without a guilt admited to not caring about his own child safety. Why should Alec feel more guilty over kissing Riya (who is an adult free women and who has made it clear to Connor that she no longer wants to be in a relationship with him) than being a literal child abuser? If they wanted to make him an abusive father, they should have done something with that plot, instead of just throwing it into a random episode, in a most random scene, and never bringing it up again. Yes, Season 1 heavily implied he wasn't a good father, but there were much better ways to make him an imperfect husband instead of just turning him into a straight jerk without depth. This is why Riya's ending doesn't work for me - while Riya is massively demolished for her immoral act, the abusive boyfriend gets $100k and his own podcast, while the abusive father gets a job tutoring another kid (a kid he called a mistake and never apologized for it, by the way). Connor tells Riya at the end that she's miserable because she was the only one who refused to change, but how does that apply to Yul or Alec? Riya's ending also doesn't work for me because even though she's the winner of AS, we don't really learn much about her throughout the season. Why is she so determined to win? What is her perspective on her relationship with Connor? We learn that Connor wanted to start a family, but what about Riya and what about she wanted? I hope I didn't sound rude. It's just that some of AS writing choices really confuses me and I'd like to get the perspective of someone who was involved in the creation of the show.
@@darkishere233Truly no I'll will to the guy, I respect him for being able to defend his stance and find some enjoyment for something I consider dog manure. But he is not cooking.
Hey Jpeg, I would like to talk about Episode 20, because imo, Episode 20 is the worst DC episode ever created. The letter reading scene is genuinely terrible. I really can't understand how Ally was logically convinced that Jake of all people was able to fake a breakdown on national TV after hearing his grandmother dying. It's even worse when it happens 1 SCENE after Jake discussed *suicide*. Jake is also a horrible actor and would not be able to fake a breakdown like that. It also restarts the Jally beef and pretty much establishes Riya as the villain again. Also, does Ally genuinely think that Jake coincidentally planned everything out just to trick her? He didn't even know Ally 2 years ago😭 And Ally's elimination is also just terrible. Riya legit hits her face and backpack with the same rock. How is that even possible? Riya and Yul are also not seen carrying any gems. Fiore's gems somehow don't count? I also hate that Ally's elimination felt like an excuse to keep Jake in when he really shouldn't. What makes it worse is the fact that nobody aside from Jake, Fiore, Hunter and Tess even care that Ally lost. So, can you explain this episode by any chance?
How can it be the worst episode created when DC2 pumped out 13 episodes worse than it? (hyperbole) Jonny Fairplay in Survivor did something similar. Jake's grandma dying and him being sad about it is a human response to a loved one dying, even if you may not like them. Ally is mad because, due to Riya's letter, she is falsely under the belief that Jake lied about his relationship with his grandma just a few minutes ago. In Reality TV, people bend their sob stories and truths all the time. Given how Riya, Yul, Grett, and even James in DC2 have been acting, the whole "exaggerating for the camera" isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility in both real life and in this show. At least for me, even if I hate a loved one, I'll still have a vulnerable human reaction if they pass away. Death brings people together, after all. I don't know why people think Ally believes Jake created this elaborate scheme back in DC1, when the whole rant she has mere moments later is about he's using his grandma for sympathy points [in DC3E20, not DC1E5] The second part of your comment is fair though. No comments from me.
@@GoldenGooseProductions seems a bit farfetched for anyone to believe that jake lied the whole time, and even if it was written that way, it still has the same issue as the conflict in ep 18, there's no reason why jake couldn't tell her riya faked the letters when she was already suspicious
@@GoldenGooseProductions People think that because Ally literally watched season 1 and that scene with Jake crying about his Grandma as well as when Jake said to Tom that his grandma was the only one who really understood him, also Riya was the one who handed out the letters which Ally should be suspicious of considering she said herself she "saw through Riya" when she flipped and eliminated Grett. Fairplay used it for sympathy points but it worked because this was Fairplay's first time playing and the first time he mentioned her, so no one knew anything else about his grandma that could indicate it being suspect. But you mean to tell me that Jake would be able to keep up a lie for over 2 years just to be exposed in a later season by the person who by that point has: - left someone to die - Broken someone's leg - Literally is part of the villains alliance - And intentionally acts unpleasant as often as possible
@@Ghost-rl8iu 1. Ally is stubborn as all hell as shown by her early conflicts with Hunter. 2. Even within the context of DC2, she's not really known to think straight or rationally 3. The topic being her own grandpa is such a sore spot for her (she brings it up so many times in DC2) that it creates a blindspot that she overcomes in the same episode. 4. Riya is a villain sure, but Ally has so much personal beef with Jake that it clouds her judgement. He legit electrocuted her in Episode 18, giving Riya the immunity win and indirectly causing Connor's quit, so she's not all that willing to trust him yet. The audience knows Jake is just a misunderstood idiot, but that's because we have all the context that Ally doesn't. 5. Here's a very extreme example of it happening: Michael Skupin fell in a fire in Survivor: Australia. At the time, his burns and trauma were very much real. However, for the next decade, he would use that traumatic event to push books, talks, and other money-making schemes via sympathy points and religion. I'm not saying Jake is anywhere near that bad, but that is just one example of many of reality TV stars in real life using their "fifteen minutes of fame" for manipulation, clout, and business opportunities. As a frequent reality TV watcher, I don't think this is a stretch of the imagination at all.
Don't worry. Emaru is actually Jpeg's friend, and the negative comments they're spamming are not only satirical, they do it to drive engagement for the video
Jpeg would you ever make an episode on the genuine criticisms of DCAS that dont involve fans saying "X was wasted potential" or "X should have won" and make like a response to any valid criticisms you hear about the episodes and the overall themes?
I think theres a certain perception of the fanbase thats not necessarily whats actually being represented with our thought process. And everyone sorta gets lumped in together sometimes so it feels like the points made only apply to like certain members in the discord/twitter, while a subsect of fans have genuine issues or questions. Much love and respect cant wait to see you and Newsie again on the podcast 🙏🏿
I mean of course ep 18 and 20 is high up, you’re a proofreader it wasn’t garbage to you…. 😬😬
I think it was a smart move to make Nina the winner of DCAS
😊I liked your analysis and tier list. New subscriber
I feel EP10, 11 and EP18 got a bit too much hate because most of the fandom was very idolized in how things should had went to please the audience and not necessarily what made sense for the characters. Ep10, while that was Jake's original elimination in Version 1-3, wouldn't have had the same effect if he went there. He'd have another impulsive moment only to lose to it -again- and actually learn little from it -again- whereas Ashley going in his place was a lot more effective because his(and Aiden and Ally's) actions had real consequences in getting someone else eliminated trying to gun each other down. That was the trio's but mostly Jake's awakening call that while he is haunted by his past and what went on with Tom his actions greatly matters in trying to mend with himself and others in present time. And Ashley got to leave with dignity knowing she went as a loyal friend and not like Ellie who threw him to the wolves back in Season 1. So many people went on a crusade against his screen time which can be valid but the same can be said for Riya who had almost 60 confessions leading her to first place. But it was only a problem when it came to Jake.
The criticism against 11 was so confusing to me because it had everything the loudmouths wanted and they kept acting like this was the end for the characters when in reality it was a band aid for the motel episode and the two part finale. But they kept going as if THIS was the two part finale. And even then in the motel the episode got some hate because of the way Yul became a helper, never minding that nearly all of the eliminated characters(Save for Lake, Ashley and Miriam but even then they got valuable screen time) had important key elements in assisting the final 3 in some way.
18 was such an odd stepping stone but it also proves that most of the fandom don't understand that tension is needed to create a realistic stressful situation and that you can't seriously expect a comfort episode on the final elimination day. Connor's actions in terms of losing himself to the game made sense, but my only criticism to this episode in particular is that Ally saw Connor with the hairband and still proceeds to try to one up Jake. S2 characters seems to have a short temporary dementia where they forget everything they just saw(Aiden did this in EP7-9, Ally in 15 and 18 and Connor 18) but I would not had called this a bad episode. I also wouldn't say Jake regressing a little was "undoing his development" and once again most of the people with that claim don't understand how healing works and how it isn't linear.
At some point I remember having to mute the Hype Channel because there was three people in particular that shall not be named here, who kept, no joke, criticizing EP15-21 for 24/7 days until they saw their faves again in 21 to which they finally shut up for a little bit and they are STILL. To this day. Bringing up how bad DCAS is and advertising newcomers to skip to the finale to "not waste time". I understand losing your bet horse sucks but complaining about it and acting like they are better writer than proof readers and professional writers for more than THREE MONTHS EVERY SINGLE DAY FROM WAKE TO SLEEP at this point left an unsavory taste in my mouth. And no matter how much you and I would try to make them see it differently it always circled down to the TDI mindset or "rushed plots". Sorry, that got annoying to me.
I think this is a valid tierlist and I thank you for sharing insight with us in the Hype Chat whenever you stopped by. I loved seeing you share hype and general information whenever you had time. Too bad a lot of the good stuff drowned out by the critical Pinocchio nose folks, though there are many cool fans too who appreciate ONC and all the effort you all put into making Disventure Camp an amazing experience. Feel free to tag me whenever DCAS becomes a topic in the GGP channel. I love the series(the flaws I think it have is different than what is usually being said but it didn't affect me negatively) Thank you for your contribution and have a nice day.
While this is a valid read, I feel like it grossly oversimplifies the negative perceptions people had with the episodes, by basically concluding that a lot of the fans are either stupid, dont know any better, or just missed the point of a few plotlines/characters
like I feel theres a piece we're missing instead of boiling down a lot of complaints to being unfairly critical or misconstrued, from what you described it seems theres no reason to hate on all stars at all if the points you made are based in truth
I kind of disagree, I gave the episodes some grace , and re watched MULTIPLE times. Ep 10-11 were good but ep 14 , 18, and 20 were the 3 most terribly written episodes. The inconsistencies (mostly 18 and 20) , the plot not being concrete, the contrived situations for unnecessary drama, and by ep 20 you just don’t care anymore because it’s a hot mess trying to convey a big message through mediocre , inconsistent, sometimes even painful writing….
I want to come back and say disventure camp s3 has little to no replay value after the halfway point , I just hope and ask for S4 to be better and to make more sense…
7, 8, 16, 17, and 18 should all be in D in my opinion.
I respectfully disagree with the opinion regarding the scene from episode 20. Why didn't either Ally or Jake suspect that Riya had done something with the contents of their backpacks while they weren't looking? Riya has been manipulating Ally for a good time of the competition, and Ally should have known better than to trust Riya when she suddenly becomes nice and offers to chat a little before the finale. I also don't understand the point of adding this scene when, at the end of the day, the conflict in the challenge is about Riya and Ally, and the contents of Jake's letter is quickly forgotten by the plot anyway. This scene just makes Ally seem incredibly naive by being easily manipulated by Riya once again, refusing to give Jake a chance to explain himself, and without thinking about it more than twice (hmm, maybe Riya, who is an actress who has so far shown that she doesn't care about us in the slightest, wanted something by pretending to be nice to us? Maybe she actually did something to our backpacks when we weren't looking? Hmm...)
I also don't understand what was tried to be achieved with 'Alec's redemption arc' when he never learns that his behavior towards his son was abusive. I really hated that Alec and Connor's conflict was about Alec kissing Riya instead of Alec's morality and Connor not wanting to be associated with a guy who openly and without a guilt admited to not caring about his own child safety. Why should Alec feel more guilty over kissing Riya (who is an adult free women and who has made it clear to Connor that she no longer wants to be in a relationship with him) than being a literal child abuser? If they wanted to make him an abusive father, they should have done something with that plot, instead of just throwing it into a random episode, in a most random scene, and never bringing it up again. Yes, Season 1 heavily implied he wasn't a good father, but there were much better ways to make him an imperfect husband instead of just turning him into a straight jerk without depth.
This is why Riya's ending doesn't work for me - while Riya is massively demolished for her immoral act, the abusive boyfriend gets $100k and his own podcast, while the abusive father gets a job tutoring another kid (a kid he called a mistake and never apologized for it, by the way). Connor tells Riya at the end that she's miserable because she was the only one who refused to change, but how does that apply to Yul or Alec?
Riya's ending also doesn't work for me because even though she's the winner of AS, we don't really learn much about her throughout the season. Why is she so determined to win? What is her perspective on her relationship with Connor? We learn that Connor wanted to start a family, but what about Riya and what about she wanted?
I hope I didn't sound rude. It's just that some of AS writing choices really confuses me and I'd like to get the perspective of someone who was involved in the creation of the show.
Hey!! How did you get involved/chosen to be a proofreader for DC?
Epic video deffo subscribing
episode 17 should be in D tier
It’s his opinion 😒
@@darkishere233Truly no I'll will to the guy, I respect him for being able to defend his stance and find some enjoyment for something I consider dog manure.
But he is not cooking.
You said episode 7 wasn’t as bad as you made it out to be. When did you talk about it previously?
Mostly the Disventure Dispatch Podcast
@@GoldenGooseProductionsI loved JPEG as Kai if it’s you I’m talking to rn thank you for the memorable performance I like Kai a lot
I cant believe they let this guy on the show
What happened what did he do ?
"Ally, I left some of those hate comments."
Hey Jpeg, I would like to talk about Episode 20, because imo, Episode 20 is the worst DC episode ever created.
The letter reading scene is genuinely terrible. I really can't understand how Ally was logically convinced that Jake of all people was able to fake a breakdown on national TV after hearing his grandmother dying. It's even worse when it happens 1 SCENE after Jake discussed *suicide*. Jake is also a horrible actor and would not be able to fake a breakdown like that. It also restarts the Jally beef and pretty much establishes Riya as the villain again. Also, does Ally genuinely think that Jake coincidentally planned everything out just to trick her? He didn't even know Ally 2 years ago😭
And Ally's elimination is also just terrible. Riya legit hits her face and backpack with the same rock. How is that even possible? Riya and Yul are also not seen carrying any gems. Fiore's gems somehow don't count? I also hate that Ally's elimination felt like an excuse to keep Jake in when he really shouldn't. What makes it worse is the fact that nobody aside from Jake, Fiore, Hunter and Tess even care that Ally lost.
So, can you explain this episode by any chance?
How can it be the worst episode created when DC2 pumped out 13 episodes worse than it? (hyperbole)
Jonny Fairplay in Survivor did something similar.
Jake's grandma dying and him being sad about it is a human response to a loved one dying, even if you may not like them. Ally is mad because, due to Riya's letter, she is falsely under the belief that Jake lied about his relationship with his grandma just a few minutes ago. In Reality TV, people bend their sob stories and truths all the time. Given how Riya, Yul, Grett, and even James in DC2 have been acting, the whole "exaggerating for the camera" isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility in both real life and in this show.
At least for me, even if I hate a loved one, I'll still have a vulnerable human reaction if they pass away. Death brings people together, after all. I don't know why people think Ally believes Jake created this elaborate scheme back in DC1, when the whole rant she has mere moments later is about he's using his grandma for sympathy points [in DC3E20, not DC1E5]
The second part of your comment is fair though. No comments from me.
@@GoldenGooseProductions Ok ig.
I'm still not a massive fan of the letter part, but ok.
@@GoldenGooseProductions seems a bit farfetched for anyone to believe that jake lied the whole time, and even if it was written that way, it still has the same issue as the conflict in ep 18, there's no reason why jake couldn't tell her riya faked the letters when she was already suspicious
@@GoldenGooseProductions People think that because Ally literally watched season 1 and that scene with Jake crying about his Grandma as well as when Jake said to Tom that his grandma was the only one who really understood him, also Riya was the one who handed out the letters which Ally should be suspicious of considering she said herself she "saw through Riya" when she flipped and eliminated Grett.
Fairplay used it for sympathy points but it worked because this was Fairplay's first time playing and the first time he mentioned her, so no one knew anything else about his grandma that could indicate it being suspect. But you mean to tell me that Jake would be able to keep up a lie for over 2 years just to be exposed in a later season by the person who by that point has:
- left someone to die
- Broken someone's leg
- Literally is part of the villains alliance
- And intentionally acts unpleasant as often as possible
@@Ghost-rl8iu
1. Ally is stubborn as all hell as shown by her early conflicts with Hunter.
2. Even within the context of DC2, she's not really known to think straight or rationally
3. The topic being her own grandpa is such a sore spot for her (she brings it up so many times in DC2) that it creates a blindspot that she overcomes in the same episode.
4. Riya is a villain sure, but Ally has so much personal beef with Jake that it clouds her judgement. He legit electrocuted her in Episode 18, giving Riya the immunity win and indirectly causing Connor's quit, so she's not all that willing to trust him yet. The audience knows Jake is just a misunderstood idiot, but that's because we have all the context that Ally doesn't.
5. Here's a very extreme example of it happening: Michael Skupin fell in a fire in Survivor: Australia. At the time, his burns and trauma were very much real. However, for the next decade, he would use that traumatic event to push books, talks, and other money-making schemes via sympathy points and religion. I'm not saying Jake is anywhere near that bad, but that is just one example of many of reality TV stars in real life using their "fifteen minutes of fame" for manipulation, clout, and business opportunities. As a frequent reality TV watcher, I don't think this is a stretch of the imagination at all.
How did Riya win all stars instead of Jake? He's the villain!
There’s no way you actually posted hate to give JPEG more engagement 😭
@@baconisepic3308 honestly I dont know what was going through my mind 😅
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Good Video. I think Disventure Camp All-Stars is a very overhated season.
All stars is a terrible season because of the Elimination order .
I dont think emarurururu liked this video
Don't worry. Emaru is actually Jpeg's friend, and the negative comments they're spamming are not only satirical, they do it to drive engagement for the video
Ally should’ve won 🫠
Tess Tickles is the middest character of all time
Grett was robbed
Bring back DC1 I miss peak
biased
Episode 5 is trash because of Hunter's elimination.
worst video ever
horrible opinions
trash