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- On today's episode of The Elle Duncan Show, Elle and Gary discuss the GOAT vs. the Rook where Caitlin Clark defeats her idol Diana Taurasi. After that, they get into the rookie of the year race between Clark and Angel Reese before talking NBA free agency, Bobby Bonilla Day, and Hawk Tuah girl.
5:56 - The Fever beat the Mercury
12:02 - Angel Reese is making the ROY race interesting
19:05 - NBA free agency
26:56 - Happy Bobby Bonilla Day
40:22 - Hawk Tuah Girl
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Clark: 323 pts, 113 reb, 138 ast, 27 stl, 17 blk
Reese: 226 pts 194 reb, 32 ast, 26 stl, 2 blk Reese
Clark leads her in every category except for rebounds. She has 100 more points and 100 more assists. And Clark is 2-1 against Reese. This isn’t DEI, Clark is the clear winner.
What are the averages
Lmao you know Clark played like 4 more games yall love try to be slick
Clark has played 3 more games buddy 😂 its a lot closer than you think
@@link514lmao what did you think the averages are going to be if she’s leading in totals?
Clark looks like the other gender tho clearly can’t sell or endorse beauty
ROTY a two player race.
It’s going to come down to the Ws.
Hot take: maybe Reese and CC can both end up being very good players (?). ESPN, and others are dying to make this a rivalry just for ratings and to save the WNBA.
Comment of the day
Rivalries are great for sports. But fans have to understand it's just a game and not take things personal against the players
That’s the point the. Magic bird rivalry is what saved the NBA when it was tanking
@@mrlee2328 But that rivalry was not the same as this Caitlin vs...The Whole WNBA System, that is the problem.
@@mrlee2328 but there was a rivalry with magic and bird, there is literally nothing going on here, CC has not said or done anything besides give praise to all and play ball. We all have eyes. there is nothing there.
It would be shocking at this point if CC doesn't win ROTY. But Reese has had a very good season as well, both should be happy with their performances so far
Angel is having the better overall season with less games minus the turnover record…cc fans know nothing about ball they even think yesterday was a good game for cc with 6 turnovers and poor shooting…I let them be
Angel fleas has broken ONE record CAITLIN CLARK HAS WON 11 ALREADY. PUT THAT PIPE DOWN. @jto-eg7qw
@@jto-eg7qw explain why CC avg more blocks then reese and reese plays the forward position. I'm curious
@@JurgenMiHoff That’s not apart of Angels game. She’s never been a shot blocker.
Also, blocks don’t reflect a player’s overall defensive effectiveness. Good defense encompasses various skills, including on-ball defense, help defense, and positioning, none of which are directly measured by blocks.
Reese is one of the most versatile defenders in the league, effectively guarding positions 1 through 5. Although she doesn’t block many shots, she plays smart, positionally aware defense and consistently contests shots. She remains the Sky’s defensive anchor and ranks in the Top 20 for most defensive metrics. The Sky are 13 points better defensively with her on the floor, and before Cardoso’s return, they were over 16 points better with Angel on defense. While her performance has dipped slightly due to adjusting to playing with Cardoso, she’s still elite.
Reese fills many defensive gaps for her team, making her role comparable to Clark’s in terms of workload. Clark may have more offensive responsibilities, but Reese contributes significantly on defense and remains heavily involved offensively by setting screens, moving the ball, and scoring efficiently.
@@jto-eg7qwWHAT??? Angel has broken ONE record. Caitlin Clark ALREADY has broken 11, ELEVEN!! and will EASILY win Roy.
Hey … you know why you all are debating this … it’s because it’s hard to decide at the moment. If anyone thinks it’s an easy decision than they are being bias
Caitlin Clark is a much better well around basketball player than Angel Reese and continues to impact and improves her game every single game. Angel Reese is an average player, let’s be honest. Props for her continuous double, double streak but she’s far inferior to Clark when it comes to talent and impacting the game. Clark is a no brainer for 2024 ROTY. 👑🌟
Better all-around? CC couldn't guard a stick. She's near the bottom in defensive ratings. The steals and blocks she does get is when she gives weak-side help and the player can't see her coming. Why doesn't CC show us what she can do in the post against bigger players if she is so much better all-around? Get real. You newbies need to learn basketball.
Angel is having the better overall season with less games minus the turnover record…cc fans know nothing about ball they even think yesterday was a good game for cc with 6 turnovers and poor shooting…I let them be
CC struggles with on-ball defense, lacks ball-handling skills, and her mid-range shot is almost nonexistent. She's not quick off the dribble, her turnovers are problematic, and she isn't fast or physical enough. She also has difficulty handling ball pressure and creating her own shot without a screen or push-off.

@@Barto-p4k CC has way more blocks than a girl under the basket... like seriously. Angel is trash at shooting under the hoop. CC shoots at a high % from the logo than Angle does from 3 feet out. Angel went 4 for 16 under the hoop and yall like she is so good. lol
Clarks stats blow Reese out of the water. Its not close
Angel is having the better overall season with less games minus the turnover record…cc fans know nothing about ball they even think yesterday was a good game for cc with 6 turnovers and poor shooting…I let them be
You crazy she has more double
Yes you right her turnovers blow Reese out of the window. Also she averaged 30 at Iowa and gets locked up every game in the WNBA, like yesterday. Luckily her team got her the win
Ummm no. Here are the current rookie stats.
Current True Shooting %
Caitlin Clark: 57.2
Rickea Jackson: 55.5
Aaliyah Edwards: 54.0
Jacy Sheldon: 52.1
Cameron Brink: 49.6
Kamilla Cardoso: 48.6
Angel Reese: 47.5
Current WNBA Net Rating (per 100 possessions):
Angel Reese: +2.3
Kamilla Cardoso: -2.6
Aaliyah Edwards: -5.6
Caitlin Clark: -8.1
Cameron Brink: -9.3
Rickea Jackson: -12.7
Jacy Sheldon: -15.1
Current Plus/Minus
Angel Reese: 1.4
Kamilla Cardoso: -1.1
Aaliyah Edwards: -2.5
Jacy Sheldon: -5.2
Cameron Brink: -4.8
Caitlin Clark: -5.2
Rickea Jackson: -6.2
Current PIE - Player Impact Estimate
Angel Reese: 12.7 PIE
Caitlin Clark: 11.4 PIE
Aaliyah Edwards: 10.7 PIE
Kamilla Cardoso: 8.0 PIE
Cameron Brink: 8.0 PIE
Rickea Jackson: 7.6 PIE
Jacy Sheldon: 4.0 PIE
Current Field Goal Percentages
Aaliyah Edwards: 49.1
Rickea Jackson: 47.2
Kamilla Cardoso: 45.7
Jacy Sheldon: 41.0
Cameron Brink: 39.8
Angel Reese: 39.6
Caitlin Clark: 39.4
Second Chance Points:
Angel Reese: 3.5
Kamilla Cardoso: 2.5
Rickea Jackson: 1.2
Aaliyah Edwards: 1.3
Cameron Brink: 0.9
Caitlin Clark: 0.7
Jacy Sheldon: 0.3
Angel Reese has broken a WNBA record with 10 straight double doubles and if I’m not mistaken, she is second in the league in rebounds. I’m not sure you’all are really thinking, because if you were you would understand that Angel is the rookie that’s breaking WNBA league records. That alone, separates her from the other rookies, including Caitlin.
I have Angel Reese as my ROTY. But CC is playing good too. It’s going to be interesting 🔥
Is not playing good Clark will win it simple rebounds don't win you that award
@@jeffersonyambaturnovers don’t neither…reese will win
@@jto-eg7qw Turnover comments are just low hanging fruit. If you look at the context of most of the turnovers, you quickly realize it's largely irrelevant. Unless, of course, you're biased our just incapable or rational thought.
@jeffersonyamba you realize Clark isn't leading in every category... and she only averages 3 more points a game than Reese. The race is a lot closer than either fanbase want to admit
@@jeffersonyambadouble digit rebounds plus double digit points might though🤔
Its CC. She accounts for the majority of her teams offense. Amgel is playing great but she doesn't have the same impact. CC flirts with triple doubles every game and her usage rate is higher.
She also accounts for 90 percent of her teams turnovers
Angel is having the better overall season with less games minus the turnover record…cc fans know nothing about ball they even think yesterday was a good game for cc with 6 turnovers and poor shooting…I let them be
She’s The PG. So.. That’s Kind Of How That Position Works.. That Position Will Almost Always Account For The Teams Offense. That’s The Job Of The PG.
Flirt with, how many does CC have? 0 But on the other hand, Angel is a walking double, double that’s leads the entire league in Rebounds and already in the history books as a rookie. She also top 10 is steals as a Forward, which nobody talks about.
CC does not account for the majority of her team's offense. In fact, Angel Reese leads all rookies in Win Shares. Angel also leads all rookies in the other major advanced metrics. Check out PER, Offensive rating and Defense rating.
Double doubles (points/rebounds) don't mean squat for a big in a girl's game. Reese was 4-16 in shooting, so how many cheap rebounds did she get off her 12 missed shots. In addition, most of her 12 misses were off short shots, work on your shot girl! So she had 16 shots and 16 rebounds (several offensive) and only makes 4 baskets. G
How is that possible?
Clark was 4-14. The Lynx are the top defensive team where the Mercury aren't very good. So double-doubles don't matter? Lol. Spoken like a true newbie.
She was also double and triple teamed on all those shots
If it doesn’t mean squat, why don’t any other WNBA bigs have more this season?
Clark is. Point guard that shoots mostly 3s
Reese shoots the same percentage right under the basket. Sad
It doesn’t make sense because your analogy is off😂😂. You guys move the goalpost to justify why cc is lacking. Only one of AR OR was hers,and 14 of her rebounds were defensive.
No one who knows basketball
Can watch both of these players and actually think that Reese is on Clark’s level 😂
Clark is carrying the worst team in the league to a playoff spot
Her teammates are the ones making the shots. Her passes are just passes unless her teammates cash in and most of her assists aren't easy layups off of some dazzling pass. Its Boston putting on a move or Mitchell burying a three. Clark shot 4-14 and was outscored by a 42 year-old woman. If her teammates didn't do what they did, the Fever would have lost.
Angel is having the better overall season with less games minus the turnover record…cc fans know nothing about ball they even think yesterday was a good game for cc with 6 turnovers and poor shooting…I let them be
Fever are far from the worst team in the league, they should’ve never gotten the number one pick in the first place but that’s another story….
Taurasi has 5 turnovers 2 assists
Clark had 6 turnovers 12 assists
Clark is a rookie with the worst roster and beat 3 Olympic team players lol
@@jto-eg7qw explain how angel has a better season when she broke one record, and cc has broken many. The actual numbers and videos are here on espn for you to search and see for yourself. So kindly explain how is that a better season?
Gary be putting his cape on for the fever
It shows
Best season ever in WNBA. Caitlin dropping logo 3's ; Reese has the sweetest cake and she is a rebound machine, loving the game.
Reese better so far overall
delusional as usual for CC fans
she is rebounding her own missed shots mostly. lol 4 for 16 under the hoop is trash.,
Why are you all arguing over ROTY when the season is not even half way over? Stop
Both Angel and Caitlin are having impactful seasons. I hope both continue to be successful because if they do the WNBA wins
Historic battle ? Do yall even watch the games ? CC is having the better season and is far more impactful to her team than Angel Reese lmao
Angel is having the better overall season with less games minus the turnover record…cc fans know nothing about ball they even think yesterday was a good game for cc with 6 turnovers and poor shooting…I let them be
season ain't even over yet and still trying to give clark some meaningless award. where's a trophy that matter's at. the best of the best have one.
@@jto-eg7qw how can she have a better overall season when she's only better at rebounds? and you really mentioning poor shooting when Reese was 4/16 last night? you a hater lmao
@@comradeyellow6781 I swear people are idiots 🤣 mfer really thinks that and it’s crazy
@@jto-eg7qw you don’t know basketball and it shows 🤣
Current True Shooting %
Caitlin Clark: 57.2
Rickea Jackson: 55.5
Aaliyah Edwards: 54.0
Jacy Sheldon: 52.1
Cameron Brink: 49.6
Kamilla Cardoso: 48.6
Angel Reese: 47.5
Current WNBA Net Rating (per 100 possessions):
Angel Reese: +2.3
Kamilla Cardoso: -2.6
Aaliyah Edwards: -5.6
Caitlin Clark: -8.1
Cameron Brink: -9.3
Rickea Jackson: -12.7
Jacy Sheldon: -15.1
Current Plus/Minus
Angel Reese: 1.4
Kamilla Cardoso: -1.1
Aaliyah Edwards: -2.5
Jacy Sheldon: -5.2
Cameron Brink: -4.8
Caitlin Clark: -5.2
Rickea Jackson: -6.2
Current PIE - Player Impact Estimate
Angel Reese: 12.7 PIE
Caitlin Clark: 11.4 PIE
Aaliyah Edwards: 10.7 PIE
Kamilla Cardoso: 8.0 PIE
Cameron Brink: 8.0 PIE
Rickea Jackson: 7.6 PIE
Jacy Sheldon: 4.0 PIE
Current Field Goal Percentages
Aaliyah Edwards: 49.1
Rickea Jackson: 47.2
Kamilla Cardoso: 45.7
Jacy Sheldon: 41.0
Cameron Brink: 39.8
Caitlin Clark: 39.4
Angel Reese: 39.6
Second Chance Points:
Angel Reese: 3.5
Kamilla Cardoso: 2.5
Rickea Jackson: 1.2
Aaliyah Edwards: 1.3
Cameron Brink: 0.9
Caitlin Clark: 0.7
Jacy Sheldon: 0.3
Angel is having the better overall season with less games minus the turnover record…cc fans know nothing about ball they even think yesterday was a good game for cc with 6 turnovers and poor shooting…I let them be
Bro they don't use this stat to get that award 😂😂you guys are trying to make it a race when it's not
@@jeffersonyamba lol analysts are the ones that choose the winner. Unfortunately, they look at the stats. Sorry little buddy. Don’t blame me. Blame the stats.
The best part is the stat wackers who compare second chance and shooting percentage of post players with guards, LOL
Espn trying to make it a run. When caitlin is clearly better in all stats. And she not stat padding like someone.
Lmfao she ain’t better in reb, stl, fg percentage or turnovers try again
Angel is having the better overall season with less games minus the turnover record…cc fans know nothing about ball they even think yesterday was a good game for cc with 6 turnovers and poor shooting…I let them be
You clearly aren't watching the games
Lmao, CC with over 40 turnovers??? Lmao, She has the most Turnovers in WNBA history… She is absolutely overrated garbage. She makes her team worse not better
CC is a turnover machine, and how does angel reese stat pad? She’s not a PG she doesn’t control when she gets the ball but has high impact
Historic… uh no. One player is setting all the records for rookies and the other catches her own rebounds and is shooting 18% from 5’9 feet. Thats horrible.
The only true record broken is by Reese so far. They both are playing well. Enjoy the game.
One player doesn't need her teammates to set screens to score and the other is leading the league--at a record rate--in turnovers.
@@DaCaptain44 18% under the hoop is trash. like it's straight trash. no other way to put it.
@@mmafreaks4871 where'd you get 18% from???
@@DaCaptain44 her last game... good thing she can get her own rebounds.
CC struggles with on-ball defense, lacks ball-handling skills, and her mid-range shot is almost nonexistent. She's not quick off the dribble, her turnovers are problematic, and she isn't fast or physical enough. She also has difficulty handling ball pressure and creating her own shot without a screen or push-off.
Both need to win Rookie of the year both have been breaking records, both have been getting double doubles. Both have been play excellent at their positions as rookies . Both are starters. I can't see it no other way, either you like shooting or you like defense and rebounds, your choice but facts still remain they both are doing great at this point unless one of them starts doing horrible then this will change but for now both get the rookie of the year in my book, both are important players for their teams , it's too balanced at this point to choose one rookie. This is will be exciting to see if both win the award , this will also bring even more attention to the league because these are two loved players.
CC winning Rookie of the year 🙌🏽 it’s already written. She’s the new face of the WNBA. Not her fault either.
Aja the face and cc not winning nothing based off her talent so far…if award was giving today and cc won u already kno y…Reese factually playing better overall ball with less games..
@@jto-eg7qwCaitlin has literally led her team to more wins and beat ur roty twice head to head 💀Aja is the best player not the face. If the award was givin today cc would win cause she averages 15/5/5 and Angel shoots 34% from the field goal while shooting all layups
@@billeh60these bums also try to bring up her turnovers like her teammates don’t all have butterfingers cause they’re used to 5 mph passes
@@billeh60 ROTY is based off rookie stats.
Current True Shooting %
Caitlin Clark: 57.2
Rickea Jackson: 55.5
Aaliyah Edwards: 54.0
Jacy Sheldon: 52.1
Cameron Brink: 49.6
Kamilla Cardoso: 48.6
Angel Reese: 47.5
Current WNBA Net Rating (per 100 possessions):
Angel Reese: +2.3
Kamilla Cardoso: -2.6
Aaliyah Edwards: -5.6
Caitlin Clark: -8.1
Cameron Brink: -9.3
Rickea Jackson: -12.7
Jacy Sheldon: -15.1
Current Plus/Minus
Angel Reese: 1.4
Kamilla Cardoso: -1.1
Aaliyah Edwards: -2.5
Jacy Sheldon: -5.2
Cameron Brink: -4.8
Caitlin Clark: -5.2
Rickea Jackson: -6.2
Current PIE - Player Impact Estimate
Angel Reese: 12.7 PIE
Caitlin Clark: 11.4 PIE
Aaliyah Edwards: 10.7 PIE
Kamilla Cardoso: 8.0 PIE
Cameron Brink: 8.0 PIE
Rickea Jackson: 7.6 PIE
Jacy Sheldon: 4.0 PIE
Current Field Goal Percentages
Aaliyah Edwards: 49.1
Rickea Jackson: 47.2
Kamilla Cardoso: 45.7
Jacy Sheldon: 41.0
Cameron Brink: 39.8
Angel Reese: 39.6
Caitlin Clark: 39.4
Second Chance Points:
Angel Reese: 3.5
Kamilla Cardoso: 2.5
Rickea Jackson: 1.2
Aaliyah Edwards: 1.3
Cameron Brink: 0.9
Caitlin Clark: 0.7
Jacy Sheldon: 0.3
@@TurnFromWickedness thanks for taking the time to look those stats up but they don’t only looks at stats. The look at stats, impact they have on winning and their playing conditions. U can’t compare angels shooting percentage to ccs cause Angel doesn’t take jump shots or shoot further from 10 feet away. The ppl in charge will take into account that Caitlin gets full court pressed, trapped, doubled and still leaves her mark on games. That second chance stat only looks impressive on paper not when u see her miss layups back to back
Angel Reese has better stats against better teams. But currently Caitlin has 1 game over Angel in a head to head matchup. Yeah ROY this year is very hard to choose 😩
Angel is having the better overall season with less games minus the turnover record…cc fans know nothing about ball they even think yesterday was a good game for cc with 6 turnovers and poor shooting…I let them be
Bro look at angels fg % in those games 😂you obviously just watch stats if u actually watched her play you would know those double doubles are manufactured and not that impressive
@@jto-eg7qw Cailtin literally has led her team to more wins with a harder start to the season on the least experienced team in the wnba what’re yapping about 💀Angel literally shoots like 35% on shooting and she literally ONLY SHOOTS LAYUPS lmao cut it out kid
@@billeh60 I’ve watched women’s basketball cheering for a woman named Zolman for the university of Tennessee. Her coach pat summit died years ago and Angel and Caitlin probably was in elementary school. I watch the games. I watch more than stats. I just have an opinion that you disagree with or just don’t want to acknowledge for whatever personal reason that may be.
So standing under the rim and catching ur own misses is ROY candidate? She is so selfish she never looks to pass it’s all throwing it up every time, I haven’t heard 1 team come out and say our focus is to stop Reese like they have came out to with Clark, a Pg running the offense is less important than someone that only gives you offensive rebounds, yea I doubt that
Caitlin clark gonna win rookie of the year by politics
NOT FAIR, i do love Catlin but it should be 2 ROY or as of today Angel Reese! She has the most double doubles in the History of the WNBA crazy
@@benjaminsellersiii3606 bruh those double doubles aren’t impressive at all and don’t even lead to wins watch how many of her rebounds come from her poor shooting teammates or her smoking layups
She averages 15/5/5 it will be bc she literally has a better stat line than every other rookie 💀
Angel is having the better overall season with less games minus the turnover record…cc fans know nothing about ball they even think yesterday was a good game for cc with 6 turnovers and poor shooting…I let them be
@jto-eg7qw AGREED, NO hate on CC respect her game, but I don't understand why Angel literally broke the WNBA history with less games and no one is giving her credit 🤔🤔🤔
Its gonna come down to team WINS...you can make an argument for BOTH
It’s rookie of the year, not MVP. It’ll go by numbers like it always has
I agree. I can’t stand the minimizing of one to boost another. It’s a close race thus far. Not sure why that angers some folks, but that’s how things are now.
@MrMatta860 we know what kind of award it is bro...they both are on losing teams...the race between them is CLOSE...they are most likely going to factor in WINNING as the breaker...it's been done before my guy
As of 7/7/24
Scoring-Clark-16; Reese-24
Assist-Clark-3; Reese-50
3 pointers-Clark-6; Reese-50+
Rebounds-Clark-19; Reese-1
Blocks-Clark-16; Reese-47
Steals-Clark-17; Reese-16
Cc play is just More exciting , especially nowadays with the three being more prevalent.
Cc can barely hit the logo 3…that’s over hyped as well..played horrible yesterday
In three games of Fever vs Sky
Clark has 51 points, 28 assists, 22 rebounds
Reese has 44 points, 7 assists, 42 rebounds
Fever are 2-1
Clark 2. Reese 1. and Clark has better stats drop the mic Clark wins.
Angel is having the better overall season with less games minus the turnover record…cc fans know nothing about ball they even think yesterday was a good game for cc with 6 turnovers and poor shooting…I let them be
@@jto-eg7qw you actually don’t “let them be,” since you felt the need to comment. Clark and Reese have the same shooting percentage, the only difference is Clark shoots from 30 feet while Reese shoots from under the basket
CC struggles with on-ball defense, lacks ball-handling skills, and her mid-range shot is almost nonexistent. She's not quick off the dribble, her turnovers are problematic, and she isn't fast or physical enough. She also has difficulty handling ball pressure and creating her own shot without a screen or push-off.
@@Mariah306 yet she had the greatest college career ever, sorry that upsets you so much
I am confused why are you putting Angel Reese behind Catlin? If anything she is even or a little bit before Catlin. Angle Reese has the most rebounds in the WNBA HISTORY!!! THAT IS CRAZY
Sylvia Fowles is the WNBA's all-time leader in total rebounds, with 4,007.
@conradtaylor29 thanks I was referring to the most double doubles in a season
Angel 😇 will win The ROY #Great #PodcastEpisode
Love you both! I wish Elle was more active on X.
Whe can talk about stats all day long, but impact matters. The Fever never made the playoffs the last 5 seasons, the Sky always did, and currently the Fever are in the playoffs ahead of Chicago. Clark is clearly a better overall player than Reese, that's just facts. Anyone who says otherwise can't claim to be impartial. Some people might not like her which is fine, but feelings are a thing, facts are another.
The Fever won't make the playoffs. You can take that to the bank. They beat Phoenix. Big deal. The lynx smoked them and the Sparks almost beat them. CC turns the ball over too much for the Fever to beat the good teams. Look at what Mcloud did yesterday: 7 assists with 0 turnovers. The Aces, Liberty and Lynx will all bury the Fever here soon and show the CC fan base where this team truly is. The Storm game apparently they've forgotten.
The sky were picked to finish near last this year.
@@Barto-p4k sorry dude but I ain't in the hating business. I'm perfectly aware the Fever ain't a good team, that's exactly why I said Clark is clearly having a big enough impact to have them in playoff contention, and it's easy to see it on the floor. People expecting a rookie to turn pros and kill the league from the get go are haters. She has
the right to make mistakes and get better.
@@Prettypiscesgyal picked by who? They improved a team who already finished 8th last year, nonsense.
There's great folks everywhere
If the Fever ends up with a better record than the Sky, then I give the nod to CC. But if the Sky ends up with a better record. Then give it Angel Reese!
Elle, would love to hear you, Chiney & Andraya explain how a team with 3 Olympians lost to the unworthy rookie yesterday.
It’s not even close and I like Resse
It’s actually very close. I like Caitlyn too. But for her position Reese actually doing very good. It’s not some landslide
Angel is having the better overall season with less games minus the turnover record…cc fans know nothing about ball they even think yesterday was a good game for cc with 6 turnovers and poor shooting…I let them be
@jto-eg7qw I have Angel right now, and I have them going back and forth all year. Whoever plays the best the last 2 to 3 weeks will win the award. Caitlin has a lot of turnovers, because her team can't catch and she is the primary playmaker for her team. Alyssa Smith is second in turnovers and she's an MVP candidate.
CC struggles with on-ball defense, lacks ball-handling skills, and her mid-range shot is almost nonexistent. She's not quick off the dribble, her turnovers are problematic, and she isn't fast or physical enough. She also has difficulty handling ball pressure and creating her own shot without a screen or push-off.
@@qarcon3247 shooting 18% under the hoop is not good for the position.
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At this point Caitlin Clark should be MVP
Cc has over 40 turnovers, the most in NBA history 🤷🤣🤣🤣
She has been good but not over A'ja
CC struggles with on-ball defense, lacks ball-handling skills, and her mid-range shot is almost nonexistent. She's not quick off the dribble, her turnovers are problematic, and she isn't fast or physical enough. She also has difficulty handling ball pressure and creating her own shot without a screen or push-off.
OK. 12 games after Chicago's loss today (8/23) for Chicago and Indiana. If Indiana goes 0-12 the rest of the way, they MATCH last year's very poor record of 13-27. Barring major injuries, that is not possible. Chicago needs to go 7-5 the rest of this season to match their mediocre record of last year at 18-22.
Reese has the help of 6'7" Cardoso. Clark basically has players from last year's team who can shine with her brilliant floor leadership, energy, and elite passes. No contest for Clark to be ROY and if the Fever continues to play well over the next 12 games, MVP. The Aces have a much poorer record this year despite the gaudy stats of Aja Wilson.
This hype for Reese as Rookie of the Year is pure reverse racism. Reese is a footnote to the Caitlin Clark story, the hype for her is purely because she is black and Clark is white. Angel is awkward, can't run, jump, dribble, shoot, succeeds only by being 6'3" and throwing her weight around. Double-double points and rebounds should be worthy of mention for a big only when one doesn't do it! No one comes to see that. Clark is highly skilled, the best (and practically only) logo-distance shooter in the W, averaging 40+% on shots of 30+ feet. Third in assists and would be first if not for all the dropped passes! No comparison!
I’m going to take the girl who impacts her team and doesn’t hurt it, CC: 16 5 and 6 1.4 stl 6 turnover three extra games played. Angel Reese 13 11 2 1.5 stl 1 turnover. They both are making impacts CC hurts her team more so it’s Reese.
@@CtFletcher-eg5zj lmaoooo she just hurt her team last night going for the record in the 4th ? not to mention this is the fever best start to the season in YEARS but ur saying clark hurts her team when they aren’t in this position without her and aliyah said so herself..
@@princekili1027 Lmao, CC with over 40 turnovers??? Lmao, She has the most Turnovers in WNBA history… She is absolutely overrated garbage. She makes her team worse not better
@@calicoesblue4703 nobody cares about that lebron leads the league in TOs and AT was in mvp talks while leading the league in TOs too.. shes a rookie pg the TOs are obviously gonna be a thing nobody that’s not a hater cares that much
lol Reese isn’t impacting nothing but rebounding her own misses
Clark getting blitzed and double
Team yet avg more points, assist, stl and blocks (as a guard). Nice try 😂
@@princekili1027 Ask her team if nobody cares about her high turnovers… Over 40 turnovers is insane, she is no Lebron James. CC has the most turnovers in WNBA history. CC is getting cared, she makes her team worse not better.🫵🤦🤦🤦🤷🤷
I disagree. Angel isn’t just making the race interesting, she is the front runner because of her consistency, record breaking stats, and how she has played against the best competition…..Sure Caitlyn had 7 threes against the Mystics and Logo threes, but NY held her to three points. If you tease out the best competition….Sun, Lynx, Aces, Liberty…and compare stats between Angel and Caitlyn, you will see the separation. ANGEL ROTY🔥
it's Caitlins League , FACT
CC struggles with on-ball defense, lacks ball-handling skills, and her mid-range shot is almost nonexistent. She's not quick off the dribble, her turnovers are problematic, and she isn't fast or physical enough. She also has difficulty handling ball pressure and creating her own shot without a screen or push-off.
Politics and media push was going to give Caitlin Clark rookie of the year as long as she performs well enough. Never really mattered how the other rookies do. We’ve seen this before (Lebron and Carmelo) they really deserving of Co-Rookie of the year because they both playing historical right now. But if Caitlin ends up with a better winning record these Angel then there’s nothing else that needs to be said
What rookie averages a better stat line than 15/5/5 and helps their team wins like Caitlin)
@@billeh60 they was tryna give her ROY before she ever played a game. AGAIN if she has more (wins) then there’s nothing to even argue. But Stats aren’t everything. This new Era of Lebron basketball and stuffing stat sheets is praised more than winning in general. People celebrate a sided stat sheet with a loss more than getting a w just playing your role. I love Caitlin Clark. She cold I’m just not following the media manipulation and respecting both players because they both cold in they own right. Two different positions, two different styles of play,
@@GoldNTrak that’s how odds work genius the #1 pick is always favorite to win Roty in every sport. If a rookie that gets guarded from 94 everytime her team has the ball can stat pad that’s impressive enough to win by itself
@@GoldNTrak u saying ppl celebrate stat padding it and not winning is literally the only reason this is a debate cause Angel and cc are the top 2 rookies only one is helping her team win while the other one actually stat pads
@@billeh60 CC struggles with on-ball defense, lacks ball-handling skills, and her mid-range shot is almost nonexistent. She's not quick off the dribble, her turnovers are problematic, and she isn't fast or physical enough. She also has difficulty handling ball pressure and creating her own shot without a screen or push-off.
If I’m a GM starting a franchise and could have Angel or CC to build around I’m taking Angel she is physical tough and nasty underneath the basket!
Clearly you not trying to win
Lottery team at best
Angel Reese is the rookie of the year. One good game from Clark dont make her ROTY
Grabbing a bunch of rebounds and shooting under 50% IN THE PAINT doesn’t exactly make you roty either
@@MrMatta860Angel is way more consistent than CC and her stats show that.
caitlin got the better stats and her team has the better record despite starting the szn like 0-7 . not to mention she’s drawing an entire defense schemed against her every night unlike angel
@@princekili1027Angel is being double and triple down in the paint on offense and defense.
While Constantly being foul and the ref's seldom calling fouls on the other teams.
@@breeminor498 she’s a paint player it makes sense to collapse in the paint when the ball reaches there ? she’s also only shooting 39% from the field on the season and her TS% is much worse than clark and below league avg despite being an interior player. that’s not good at all (thankfully she’s been shooting better as of late)
Hey y'all. Can you do a 4th of July Food or liquor draft?? Something like what His and Hers(OG ESPN know)did??
Or an 4th of July Plans draft!
It's not even close... most of the rebounds are coming from her own miss layups in fact reese is one of the worst shooter.
Maybe the counted rebounds should not be from own missed initial shots.... ?? 😂😂😂
How can ROY be tied? 1 assist = 2 rebounds. Reese's outstanding stat is rebounding , however Clark is the number one guard rebounder in the league. Isn't the difference between their rebounds something like four? Clark leads in points. More importantly the entire offense, when it's working, runs through Clark. Most importantly Clark has many more assists and assists are twice as valuable as rebounds. Rebounds lead to a potential exchange in points, whereas assists lead to points. Finally assists require more skill and a great assist maker shifts the entire defense of opponents. Think of the value difference between Magic Johnson (or John Stockton, Steve Nash) and Dennis Rodman.
How is she being compared to Angels 10th consecutive double double? They are two completely different positions.
CC had a migraine. She has dealt with them since college
She's not thinking about her
There's no ROY battle. When it comes to basketball these two players are not even in the same room.
Crazy that Reese was drafted 7, she’s 100000x better than Brink and always has been. Always been better than Cardoso. Edwards being picked over her SHOCKED me. She’s proving everyone wrong.
Brink had the highest defensive efficiency rating for a rookie before she got injured, as well as the highest FG%, and was leading the league in blocks. The only issue she had was foul trouble.
@@leslieroberts4357 don’t care, FILM says she better.
@LadyCeCeFromThaDirty Don't know what film you were watching. Even the vets were struggling to get anything against Brink in the paint. It's easy to pretend like Reese is so much better than her now she's out for the season. Everyone likes to pretend she's just a pretty face, that girl can ball for real.
@@leslieroberts4357 sweetheart, Brink is not on Angel’s level, she had a game with 0 points. 0. Seems like she’s the one struggling to score yet you bring up her FG% which is sitting at 39%? Huh? Like I said, Angel is better. Brink plays with indifference it’s why her Stanford teams never did much. You don’t watch basketball you’re an Angel hater it seems.
It is not even close. CC is the clear star.
There is no battle. CC is gonna win ROTY. It's not close
It’s very much a battle and I’m feeling it will end up a tie they will be co-rookie of the year like Jason Kidd and Grant hill
There are many contrasts between the two, many of them black and white.
Reese and the Sky appear more focused on padding stats then winning games. Meanwhile the Fever coach benched Clark stopping her from being the first rookie in the history of the WNBA to get a triple double (the player/guard subbed in for Clark in that final minute grabbed two rebounds)
Isiah Thomas did an interview when the Pistons were chasing a repeat back in 1989/90 where he spoke of challenges for a team to repeat. He mentioned stat padding and how some players would not help on defense and/or try to block a shot but rather stay in position to get a rebound from a miss. Then when contract negotiations came around the player could say "Hey we only won twenty games this season but I averaged 22 rebounds"
Reese is having an outstanding rookie season but her team is losing often close games where helping a team mate instead of positioning for a rebound can be the difference between winning and losing.
Your hate for Angel Reese keep making you cook up false narrative, spreading it, looking and sounding stupid too.
Seems odd that rookie of the year be selected before some teams have even completed half the season.
Double-double is a contrived stat. It's no different than 15-5-5 or 20-10. Make up your own and see who fits. There's a mainstream bias associated with Double-double, and more often than not for good. But context is definitely needed. And again, just because sometimes is repeated more often doesn't make it better.
Reese has needed to take her team's final shots in the last minute in 4 games now during this streak. If that's not staged enough, she is dead-last in FG% at her position
This has enabled her to shoot hilariously bad and/or get her shot blocked, but pad offensive rebounding stats.
She's an absolute nightmare with the ball. To say she has no footwork would be the understatement of the century. Moreover, she gets basically nothing to go with her MOSTLY weak double-doubles. Getting 2 assists is a major feat for her
Caitlin on the other hand does it all. She, too, is breaking records, but for fastest to reach every milestone in not just 1 or 2 areas, but 3 and 4.
Her ONLY infirmity are her TOs, but that's padded, objective, by her teammates having terrible hands. Contrast this with Reese being able to pad her number's after a bad play..
Both players' D had been up and down, with CC steadily improving by holding her assignments now to under 10 pts routinely.
All we have to do is look at their overall numbers without each's contrived stat domination.
Clark is a better scorer, passer, is better rebounding than Angel is passing, both are dead even in the steals department, and Caitlin has 0.9 BPG whereas Reese has 2 total blocks all season
Caitlin is the better player, and is the ROTY.
CC struggles with on-ball defense, lacks ball-handling skills, and her mid-range shot is almost nonexistent. She's not quick off the dribble, her turnovers are problematic, and she isn't fast or physical enough. She also has difficulty handling ball pressure and creating her own shot without a screen or push-off.

ROTY is a tight race IMO - on paper AR wins, but considering CC has received unprecedented defense as a rookie could be taken into consideration. Maybe it will come down to which team makes the playoffs?
Explain on paper. So I can laugh. Let me hear this 😂
@@jsmooth4116 She is more efficient per the WNBA efficiency formula - CC needs to reduce turnovers and/or increase points made to improve her overall efficiency. I’m hopeful CC will because I’m doubtful AR will improve in efficiency.
@@dschrute8 this is where watching the game is important. Half of those turnovers are catchable passes that her teammates dropped on top of that she is getting blitzed more than any other rookie.
Reese has a lower fg percentage than Reese while shooting around the basket as a big 😂
Film
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@@jsmooth4116 I 100% agree, hence why I said on paper AR may look better overall but context should be taken into consideration. Please know I’m a huge CC fan and it pains me to say that.
"Historic ROY Battle"???? "Historic"??? the only thing historic is the amount of fabricated drama created in an attempt to draw in more viewers and followers. Everyone knows who the ROTY should be. Some won't admit it though, and continue to try and make double doubles some type of incredible feat.
El why have you changed your thoughts towards CC?
pretending like it’s a close race is cute
CC struggles with on-ball defense, lacks ball-handling skills, and her mid-range shot is almost nonexistent. She's not quick off the dribble, her turnovers are problematic, and she isn't fast or physical enough. She also has difficulty handling ball pressure and creating her own shot without a screen or push-off.
DT’s post game comment on Caitlin was a sharp contrast to her comment before the season began. Her demeanor was one of a defeated warrior vs the brash demeanor she has back then.
Love you Elle. Bring around the horn back with all the ladies please!
Can CC not play for Spain in the OLY's? All the Black Girls and LGBQ Peeps would be happy and everyone else would get to see her play. Win Win
CC for ROTY. Reese is having a nice season but CC does more for her team.
CC struggles with on-ball defense, lacks ball-handling skills, and her mid-range shot is almost nonexistent. She's not quick off the dribble, her turnovers are problematic, and she isn't fast or physical enough. She also has difficulty handling ball pressure and creating her own shot without a screen or push-off.
CC is much better , she’s already one of the best players in the league 😂 Reese is a rebounder that’s it
Break this down for y'all: Angel gets on a 10 minute streak she gon get ya 4 rebounds, 0 assists & 8 points.
Clark gon get ya 2 rebounds, 5 assists, 15 points.
Do the math.. who wins that game? Sucka foo..
Cait in ya head for a reason. She da real dog. Reese on da porch barking 😂😂
Y'all are riding this media rivalry to death. Pls seek new material.
Double on rebound is useless. Rebound gives possession. CC's assist gives points. Use your brain.
Caitlin has way more assist and shoots logo 3s.
Reese has very low assist and shoots ZERO 3s and ZERO logo 3s.
Do you know what ZERO means? Nil, zilch, nada, blank, goose egg 🤣🤣🤣
Great discussion
20:21 or learn from the air ball by WNBA for not putting Clark on Olympic team.
CC had that on lock before she even declared for the Wnba. It's never been, it never has been a battle for ROY
Clark didnt have the flu, she had a migraine. Lol
Yep - she had a "migraine game". Caitlin often played with migraines during college. Kate Martin said she would throw up even because of them.
Clark is leading the WNBA in most turnovers. She'll break the record for most turnovers in a season
She’ll also get the first triple double by rookie, lead all rookies in points, continues to lead the league in assist and finish averaging at least 15/5/5 and be in the playoffs so I doubt that matters
@@billeh60 CC struggles with on-ball defense, lacks ball-handling skills, and her mid-range shot is almost nonexistent. She's not quick off the dribble, her turnovers are problematic, and she isn't fast or physical enough. She also has difficulty handling ball pressure and creating her own shot without a screen or push-off.
I don’t think yt people will be able to take it if angel beats her in something else.
Angel grabbing her own missed shots is not impressive.
@@mmafreaks4871 how abt grabbing the championship ring and mvp trophy 😂
@@MrSecondchancebro yeah right. maybe if the script says to...
@@mmafreaks4871 She already beat her at LSU and has both and that year the script was written for your yt goat 😂😂😂😂
@@MrSecondchancebro 4 for 16 under the hoop.. good luck with that ring.
Declaring it now. CC will get a Triple Double this season
Its a great matchup , stop the hating both ways DAM
GREAT TO HEAR A DISCUSSION & READ COMMENTS WITHOUT THE HATEFUL NEANDERTHALS CHIMING IN.
They are both going to win
LOVES YOU ELLE.
Unless CC is in the Olympic team, I will not subscribe to ESPN.
- fan
If it was only about the most numbers in categories, Magic Johnson would have zero MVP's. Its not just the numbers. Clark will most likely win it and she deserves it. But being the 7th pick on a rebuilding team and breaking multiple WNBA records (not just rookie records) in the "first" 17 games of her career is no "DEI", it's Greatness. And she definitely belongs in the argument. True basketball fans can appreciate both players achievements. Its a shame how people let their personal biases ignore the talent and achievements of someone.
Bro stop making it seem like she’s doing something impressive lmao her record is literally for layups and rebounds 😂
Reese is a board. That’s literally it lmao it’s about numbers. Wemanyama won rookie of the year and the spurs didn’t sniff the playoffs. Wins matter in the mvp race, not rookie of the year
Like Dennis Rodman, Moses Malone, Bill Russell,...Dominating the boards and paint is not only impressive but wins games and chips. Shawn kemp just said that it was Rodman, not Jordan that beat them in the Finals.
Put them turnovers up there while u stat listing. They matter big time.
Not when she leads the league in assists, rookies in points and most of her turnovers come from her teammates having butterfingers
Reese don’t have many turnovers cause she don’t want to miss an opportunity to throw it up 😂😂😂😂 if she was so good she should be sharing the ball more instead of looking like a 10 year old throwing it up every single time
Yes CC is averaging 5-6 turnovers a game, but also, Reese is averaging 2 turnovers a game and she doesn’t pass as much
Reese is averaging 2 tos per game while never having the ball, that matters big time, just like those bricks she threw last night
@@comradeyellow6781 they don’t like to see the odds they right away bash Clark for her turnovers when she passes the ball more than anyone in the W, when anyone with common sense would tell u if u handle the ball that much ur TO will be higher than others, Reese is the most selfish player I’ve seen she gets the ball and right away no matter what wants to score it, instead of kicking it out to an open player, her last double double looked like they forced it on to her, she had 7 points and they left her on the last minute and forced the ball to her every time to get to 10, while fever cared more about winning then Clark getting triple double
Reese is ROTY tired of this favoritism BS
That intro was different but WHY????😮
Aug 30th, Chicago, public pressure for Jordan to show up in his house. That game should be where the bulls play.
Hey Moses Malone missed lay ups but he worked super hard to get the rebounds not easy to do give Reese her credit she plays hard and I'm not a fan only thing is she plays victim not a good look she can play
Let’s be real here. Nobody cares about bigs in the WNBA. Since they refuse to lower the hoop I just have to watch these women perform such EXCITING layups. Yes, watching Reese waddle around, post up and make a layup is sooooooo fun to watch. Nahhhh effff that I wanna see bombs from the parking lot.
Why doesn't she talk about other wnba players??
wasn't she complaining about the attention clark receives??
talk about other playersin the WNBA
Elle is correct. You don’t need an agent.
Pretty obvious a woman from Atlanta would recognize Bobby Bonilla day
Each lady has a different role for her team. Reese is there to rebound and Clark is there to Score, so on a nightly basis, Reese does her job and Clark either will be a scorer or use her assist. One red flag about Clark is her play against the teams with better defensive players. She has a tough time scoring so she uses her assist to keep the FEVER going. It’ll go down to who does their job better because the media, WNBA & fans can’t label Clark the ultimate scorer and then she has up and down games depending on what team she is playing. I win money on prize picks thanks for Clark. I always go for below the mark and I haven’t lost yet!
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There is no rookie of the year battle. Caitlin Clark is the legitimate ROY. Reese despite having a lot of double/doubles, she has done so with low point totals (10-12 points per game) and only gets a lot of rebounds because they come off her own large number of missed layups (which is not a good look). And Clark still has better numbers overall. On top of that, the Fever are up 2-1 on Chicago head to head and have an overall better record. This is about the typical woke nonsense. ESPN is all about wokeness and DEI initiatives now. So is pro basketball as a sport, so they can't have a straight white woman be the face of the league. If this race actually is even semi-close come the end of the season, I predict Reese will get the award even if she's second in most statistical categories, as long as she's at least somewhat close.
Angel is having the better overall season with less games minus the turnover record…cc fans know nothing about ball they even think yesterday was a good game for cc with 6 turnovers and poor shooting…I let them be
@@jto-eg7qw Her shooting overall is not poor at all. She missed a lot of threes yesterday but has been pretty good most of the year. And if you have the ball in your hands more than anyone else on the team and are the player setting the table everyone else, you're going to have some turnovers. Reese on the other hand can't even hit an easy layup, which is why she gets so many rebounds (her own). There's no comparison. One player is way better and is also the only reason the women's game now actually has a fanbase. There's no ROY battle. Only if you're ESPN or another woke idiot with an agenda.
Consecutive double doubles involving rebounds usually come exclusively from gigantic centers, like Wilt playing against firemen, librarians. It is an almost unheard of achievement by undersized forwards like Reese. If you were undersized your double double was usually coming from assists.
@@rollerphone in her case it's often her own missed layups. Regardless, CC leads her in almost every statistical category, has beaten her team more often this season head to head and her team has a better record. And unlike Reese or anyone else in the WNBA for that matter, CC actually draws an audience. She's the real ROY. It isn't even close!
Hey ESPN idk wanna i dont wanna hear about Elle's sons punishment definitely not for a segment tf😂😂😂
Definitely nice folks. I got relatives in Tulsa.
Caitlin Clark clears ez