Easy trick for Theological Fatalism 2: the only thing you need to remember during Despair Unforgotten is which step you had stack/donut on. If your rings match that step, you stack mid. If your rings are either of the other two, you go out (since flare and aoe are the same thing)
Hopefully it shouldn't be an issue, but if someone dies during the mechanic, it's possible to get donut/stack twice, regardless of role. If someone's dead, be careful of prepositioning for the 3rd mechanic, as putting a donut on the outside will likely lead to a wipe.
Oh dude, you have no idea how long i've been waiting for a guide creator to do like these little diagram simulations. Instant sub and recommendation to all my friends!!! Keep up the great work!
Recent level 90 here and I just wanted to report that this explanation of five heads was so good it helped me get my first clear. In fact after that the group wiped because I was the only one that got it right!! Was struggling with this mechanic until your great explanation, thank you!!
A great tip for double fatalism where you have blue planets first into red planets, is to use the second blue planet to get knocked into the safe spot for the first red planet explosion. This means you won’t be sweating trying to get to the safe spot, and just need to run across after the first explosion to dodge the second one. Great video!
How did you know which goes off first. The red kills me every time when it comes after the two blue planets. Is it something I’m missing that tells you which planet is first or is it just a quick reaction thing.
The rule-based explanation of the 1, 2, 3 ring mechanics was very helpful. I’m working on this right now and have been struggling to figure out all of those rotations in the time you have. Thanks!
I'm stunned at how fast this went up, got my clear this morning TY Hector! Your guides have been the best for savage this tier also. Looking forward to seeing more :)
Thank you so much for having this together so quickly! Got my first ever day 1 extreme clear off the back of this guide and two hours in Party Finder. :)
Actually finally let me sit and study the 5 head part and figure it out before just proceeding. Explained it well. I'm down w/ the entire fight but this part is still making me want to die, and I've watched/read SO many guides on it now. Admittedly, I only came here for Twinsong's Apporhoia, but this is the most helpful explanation of it I've found so far.
Glad I could help! I actually made a shorter video just on the 5 head mechanic because I similarly found it such a pain. It might help make it even easier: th-cam.com/video/7YwYQQHMeN8/w-d-xo.html
@@HectorHectorson well you're just a saint ^.^ I've shared them to a couple discords as I'm still running learning parties with a few core newbies and pf folk. The feeling when we (this core little group I'm with) finally win together and I can be the danger dorito confidently is going to be out of this world.
For Fatalism iirc the rings spin at a different speed - faster spin is the first planets to collide Knowing that might give you another second or two to run towards/away from it
I just couldn't understand the theological fatalism linked to the head even though I knew what the mechanic was about. The tip you provide is FIRE! Thanks a lot !
your explaination of theo fatal was SPOT ON that helped me learn the mechanic for myself. I hate having to follow ppl cause I feel like I cheat the mech if I dont learn it on my own. Thank you!
Very nice guide supplementing other guides that shows in game footage, I hope I can put these to use -- nobody makes a statics for EXs so late into this expansion..
Double fatalism can fuck all the way off for real. I liked your explanation of the 5head mechanic. I was trying to explain how it wokrs ot someone and they looked at me like I was having a stroke lol. Good stuff.
My brain is too small for this. I guess I peaked at Zodiark, Hydalyn and P1S LMAO "The number of rings is how many mechanics it will rewind" Please no. "Double Fatalism" Two words I did not wanna hear together. "A second double fatalism" Yoshi why must you do this to me ;-;
@@MatteoB01 Really? Because it sure doesn't look like it. I'll try it this weekend when I have more time but just looking at the guide it looks intimidating as hell, especially all the randomness and memory bits
Thank you for this! I am our raid teams Call Out Gal, and this guide makes it really helpful for me to do this better! This makes me confident I can do this- even with my colorblind arse unable to see that well! XD
Hi Hector, i love all you guide vid, very nice work! if i may suggest one thing is a timestamp, maybe next to the boss castbar. don't need to be exact/keep rolling, but only like this mech will happen around 2.30 or something
You broke the lore. She doesn't suck aether in her mouth. She feeds on emotion and uses Dynamis instead of magic, a major difference. But great guide, keep up the work! :)
9:04, was doing this on DNC and forgot what I had first so I just went halfway between edge and middle and immediately used En Avant to gap close, it works but you literally gotta press any kind of ability like that (DRG/RPR) IMMEDIATELY WHEN YOU SEE THE MARKER. Even then it can be sketchy but it is doable with the "right" job and good ping.
The enrage on this boss looks super cool btw. A nice consolation prize 😂. I think she drops Ultima Thule on our heads or something? I can't remember what the name of the damage was when it popped up, but it did 9,999,999 damage I believe 😁
Doing double fatalism on latam ping was.... well, I'm certainly glad I decided to play WAR for this. Even with a handful of clears, I'm still not super confident on a lot of these mechanics 😭
The 5-heads with the rings are what's stopping me from getting a clear. I've seen enrage once, but every group I've been in has struggled either at those danged heads or the triple trouble after. This helped me figure it out a little more. The middle head I can figure out almost no problem, but figuring out the safe zone donut is what's killing me the most. Even when I guess the correct half to stand, I almost always get the wrong head. >m
It's definitely one of the hardest mechanics in the fight. I've just put a mini-guide going over ways to solve it quicker, so hopefully that helps. Good luck getting the clear!
Put number markers on the intercards, so odds and evens are opposite each other. If your first safe spot is on an odd number, then your safe spot for rings will be the one where the odd/even of the rings matches the marker. If your first safe spot is on an even number, your safe spot will be the one where the odd/even of the rings is the opposite of the marker.
Great guide. I just find it disappointing that the final boss is visually this simple, and that there is no phase change or cinematic sequencing of fights like with Ultima, Thordan, Shinryu, and Hades. This fight is just one scene. How unfortunate really. Ultima; you had essentially 2 phases with two different arenas and different mechanics. Thordan; you had to go through all of the Knights after Thordan, and then Thordan AGAIN but it was like a completely different dimension and fight. Shinryu; you get blasted up to another area and then get to fight on his back. Hades; you have to fight Ascian forms, different phases of Hades, and a climactic reddish fire themed, explosive ending to the battle. Endsinger; Just do a few mechanics and she's dead...
Definitely agree. The new mechanics were very fun to decipher and are still fun when reclearing, but a shame that there's essentially nothing new visually.
All the fights you mentioned were great the first time you did them but the novelty of it gets old quick. These extreme trials are designed to be farmed with no limitation, having forced phase changes with adds or cutscenes in between is annoying and adds unnecessary time to the fight. Endsinger is my favorite because it doesn't have any of those. It's a straight forward fight with no interruptions but is also filled with mechanics that keep you wary.
I enjoyed Hades when I was first farming/learning it but I agree that having to deal with the forced cutscene _every single time_ got old fast. If it wasn't for that, he would top WoL extreme as my favorite primal fight.
@@vielara Yeah it does suck to farm it when there's a CS in there. But, we're also talking about the final bosses for expansions which is just 1 of the 7 EX Trials, so being that they ARE the final bosses, I believe the acceptance weighs out. It's fine if all the others are more simple stylistically speaking.
i managed to blind prog this with one of my static's. it took us 2 and a half hours not long after the patch released but heck... twinsong was a brain twister.
Thanks so much! Theological Fatalism is the only part that still confuses me; is there a good way to quickly tell which way the head is going to point?
While waiting for rings to appear, I try to mentally prep for the middle head. I visualise the following: 1 as cleaving where it's already facing 2 as cleaving 90 degrees counter clockwise (back where it came from) 3 as cleaving behind where the head is facing. This makes it quicker to solve when the rings finally show up. if you haven't yet, have a look at my mini-guide at this exact mechanic: th-cam.com/video/7YwYQQHMeN8/w-d-xo.html
Wish I saw this before I got basically blacklisted from every single group cause I kept screwing up the theological fatalism 2 mechanic and wiping everyone... 😞 I really wanted the lynx too...
The first to spawn in each pair is random, but there is a trick. Look at the rings for one of the planets; if they’re spinning fast, that’s going to explode first; if they’re spinning slow, it’s exploding second (meaning the opposite pair is exploding first). Hope this helps!
From what I can tell, you have to react. The only pattern is that the planet type will be the same as the Elegeia that just happened. It means you unfortunately have to stay middle, pop sprint, and wait for the first set of planets to rewind.
I find it easiest to simplify it and mumble to myself. During the combo with all of the flares/spreads/stacks, I repeat aloud “in” then “in, out” then “in, out, out”. Then when i get my rings, I just work backwards. Helps to counteract my rubbish memory! XD
@@HectorHectorson Hey thanks for taking the feedback and rolling with it. Some youtubers would be vindictive and amp it up after getting a comment like mine but you've been super considerate. Your guides are consistently great and I especially hope to see you cover all of the ultimates eventually.
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Easy trick for Theological Fatalism 2: the only thing you need to remember during Despair Unforgotten is which step you had stack/donut on. If your rings match that step, you stack mid. If your rings are either of the other two, you go out (since flare and aoe are the same thing)
This is an excellent method to make the mechanic easier. Hope it's okay that I've pinned it, in the hopes others find it useful!
@@HectorHectorson Of course, I'm honored! I've been loving your guides and use them with my static :)
yeah this is eventually how i started to do it, found it much easier to just remember when I stacked 1 time, compared to keeping up with 3.
Life saver. my memory is CRAP
Hopefully it shouldn't be an issue, but if someone dies during the mechanic, it's possible to get donut/stack twice, regardless of role. If someone's dead, be careful of prepositioning for the 3rd mechanic, as putting a donut on the outside will likely lead to a wipe.
FOR ANYONE UNSYNCING DURING DAWNTRAIL, the fight on average gets to around twinsongs ending 4:40 or somewhere during the following mechanic
Wicked fast release and quality, easy-to-understand guide as always. You make the best FF14 guides on youtube. Keep it up dude.
truly
Oh dude, you have no idea how long i've been waiting for a guide creator to do like these little diagram simulations. Instant sub and recommendation to all my friends!!! Keep up the great work!
Recent level 90 here and I just wanted to report that this explanation of five heads was so good it helped me get my first clear. In fact after that the group wiped because I was the only one that got it right!! Was struggling with this mechanic until your great explanation, thank you!!
A great tip for double fatalism where you have blue planets first into red planets, is to use the second blue planet to get knocked into the safe spot for the first red planet explosion. This means you won’t be sweating trying to get to the safe spot, and just need to run across after the first explosion to dodge the second one. Great video!
100% this.
As a very visual learner, I thank you for this. Most guides have gameplay and diagrams, sure, but this style really makes it easier for me.
Just cleared it, that double fatalism is a pain in the balls, especially when it's blue -> red. Awesome guide as always.
How did you know which goes off first. The red kills me every time when it comes after the two blue planets. Is it something I’m missing that tells you which planet is first or is it just a quick reaction thing.
The rule-based explanation of the 1, 2, 3 ring mechanics was very helpful. I’m working on this right now and have been struggling to figure out all of those rotations in the time you have. Thanks!
I'm stunned at how fast this went up, got my clear this morning TY Hector! Your guides have been the best for savage this tier also.
Looking forward to seeing more :)
You've really improved the production quality on this video from the previous Panda Savage ones, it's great. Thanks a lot, Hector!
Thank you so much for having this together so quickly! Got my first ever day 1 extreme clear off the back of this guide and two hours in Party Finder. :)
Man this fight is just a mind fuck with how much stuff you have to remember
Actually finally let me sit and study the 5 head part and figure it out before just proceeding. Explained it well. I'm down w/ the entire fight but this part is still making me want to die, and I've watched/read SO many guides on it now. Admittedly, I only came here for Twinsong's Apporhoia, but this is the most helpful explanation of it I've found so far.
Glad I could help! I actually made a shorter video just on the 5 head mechanic because I similarly found it such a pain. It might help make it even easier: th-cam.com/video/7YwYQQHMeN8/w-d-xo.html
@@HectorHectorson well you're just a saint ^.^ I've shared them to a couple discords as I'm still running learning parties with a few core newbies and pf folk. The feeling when we (this core little group I'm with) finally win together and I can be the danger dorito confidently is going to be out of this world.
This style of guide is so much easier to follow than the standard 'watch my gameplay' guides that most do.
I used to think MissTeq has the best raid videos out there until I discover you. You're now my new go-to channel for raid guides.
sO FAST?? i did not expect such a good guide just a few hours after it came out - thank you so much for your tireless efforts and fantastic work
For Fatalism iirc the rings spin at a different speed - faster spin is the first planets to collide
Knowing that might give you another second or two to run towards/away from it
You were the only person who could explain the rings to me in a way I could understand. So thanks!
this is the best guide I've ever seen ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I just couldn't understand the theological fatalism linked to the head even though I knew what the mechanic was about. The tip you provide is FIRE! Thanks a lot !
Easily the best guides on TH-cam.
Was great to skim through refresh myself and shake off the rust thank to your diagrams. Thanks for the clear and great content!
This is quality and easy to digest ty so much. I've seen all mechanics but 5 heads is frustrating currently lol
your explaination of theo fatal was SPOT ON that helped me learn the mechanic for myself. I hate having to follow ppl cause I feel like I cheat the mech if I dont learn it on my own. Thank you!
Cleared this today on my 1st prog. Thanks to this guide!
This man deserves way more subscribers your guides are simple and awesome!
Such a brilliant guide, the brain bending we were doing with the rewinds lol. THANK YOU SO MUCH KEEP EM COMING
The best Guide around, Thanks.
I love your guides! Thanks for the time you put in them. Very clean and easy to understand.
Very nice guide supplementing other guides that shows in game footage, I hope I can put these to use -- nobody makes a statics for EXs so late into this expansion..
Jeez thats some serious speed and quality! Ty you so much for this!
And here I am, still figuring out how not to die stupidly on the previous two trials. Thanks for the guide!
Double fatalism can fuck all the way off for real.
I liked your explanation of the 5head mechanic. I was trying to explain how it wokrs ot someone and they looked at me like I was having a stroke lol. Good stuff.
Another banger guide ty hector hectorson
best guide yet
My brain is too small for this. I guess I peaked at Zodiark, Hydalyn and P1S LMAO
"The number of rings is how many mechanics it will rewind"
Please no.
"Double Fatalism"
Two words I did not wanna hear together.
"A second double fatalism"
Yoshi why must you do this to me ;-;
This is much easier than both Zodiark and Hydaelyn
@@MatteoB01 Really? Because it sure doesn't look like it. I'll try it this weekend when I have more time but just looking at the guide it looks intimidating as hell, especially all the randomness and memory bits
@@Kzar5678 its a lot more forgiving since the dps check is super low, like under 40k ish
@@Kzar5678 it is, mechanics require little to no coordination, my static cleared it in under an hour
How hard is this compared to p2s?
Thank you for this! I am our raid teams Call Out Gal, and this guide makes it really helpful for me to do this better! This makes me confident I can do this- even with my colorblind arse unable to see that well! XD
Twinsong hurts my brain so bad even with your great description my dude. I can handle the rest just fine but blind prog it was too much.
Hi Hector, i love all you guide vid, very nice work!
if i may suggest one thing is a timestamp, maybe next to the boss castbar. don't need to be exact/keep rolling, but only like this mech will happen around 2.30 or something
Thanks for the feedback. I'll consider this for future guides! :)
Theological and twinsongs looks damn confusing enough where I have to watch it over and over again lol
Don't let Twinsong scare you. In my experience, the entire party (myself included) is running around like chicken's with their heads cut off. XD
yo man thanks for the vieeo, IMO you make thh best guides for the ff14 fights
You broke the lore. She doesn't suck aether in her mouth. She feeds on emotion and uses Dynamis instead of magic, a major difference. But great guide, keep up the work! :)
Great guide and I hope you don’t delete criticisms like some other guide makers. Your pace and visual/audio explanations are wonderful. Thank you!
9:04, was doing this on DNC and forgot what I had first so I just went halfway between edge and middle and immediately used En Avant to gap close, it works but you literally gotta press any kind of ability like that (DRG/RPR) IMMEDIATELY WHEN YOU SEE THE MARKER. Even then it can be sketchy but it is doable with the "right" job and good ping.
The enrage on this boss looks super cool btw. A nice consolation prize 😂. I think she drops Ultima Thule on our heads or something? I can't remember what the name of the damage was when it popped up, but it did 9,999,999 damage I believe 😁
Its just her normal ult from normal mode
amazing guide! cant wait to try it, just need to find people xd
Doing double fatalism on latam ping was.... well, I'm certainly glad I decided to play WAR for this. Even with a handful of clears, I'm still not super confident on a lot of these mechanics 😭
Quality guide as always :)
The 5-heads with the rings are what's stopping me from getting a clear. I've seen enrage once, but every group I've been in has struggled either at those danged heads or the triple trouble after.
This helped me figure it out a little more. The middle head I can figure out almost no problem, but figuring out the safe zone donut is what's killing me the most. Even when I guess the correct half to stand, I almost always get the wrong head. >m
It's definitely one of the hardest mechanics in the fight. I've just put a mini-guide going over ways to solve it quicker, so hopefully that helps. Good luck getting the clear!
Put number markers on the intercards, so odds and evens are opposite each other. If your first safe spot is on an odd number, then your safe spot for rings will be the one where the odd/even of the rings matches the marker. If your first safe spot is on an even number, your safe spot will be the one where the odd/even of the rings is the opposite of the marker.
Seems fairly straightforward!
very very useful, thanks alot dude!
Great guide. I just find it disappointing that the final boss is visually this simple, and that there is no phase change or cinematic sequencing of fights like with Ultima, Thordan, Shinryu, and Hades. This fight is just one scene. How unfortunate really.
Ultima; you had essentially 2 phases with two different arenas and different mechanics.
Thordan; you had to go through all of the Knights after Thordan, and then Thordan AGAIN but it was like a completely different dimension and fight.
Shinryu; you get blasted up to another area and then get to fight on his back.
Hades; you have to fight Ascian forms, different phases of Hades, and a climactic reddish fire themed, explosive ending to the battle.
Endsinger; Just do a few mechanics and she's dead...
Definitely agree. The new mechanics were very fun to decipher and are still fun when reclearing, but a shame that there's essentially nothing new visually.
All the fights you mentioned were great the first time you did them but the novelty of it gets old quick. These extreme trials are designed to be farmed with no limitation, having forced phase changes with adds or cutscenes in between is annoying and adds unnecessary time to the fight. Endsinger is my favorite because it doesn't have any of those. It's a straight forward fight with no interruptions but is also filled with mechanics that keep you wary.
I enjoyed Hades when I was first farming/learning it but I agree that having to deal with the forced cutscene _every single time_ got old fast. If it wasn't for that, he would top WoL extreme as my favorite primal fight.
@@vielara Yeah it does suck to farm it when there's a CS in there. But, we're also talking about the final bosses for expansions which is just 1 of the 7 EX Trials, so being that they ARE the final bosses, I believe the acceptance weighs out. It's fine if all the others are more simple stylistically speaking.
Great guide as usual ty!!!!!!
i managed to blind prog this with one of my static's. it took us 2 and a half hours not long after the patch released but heck... twinsong was a brain twister.
Yup, you've earned a sub.
this would've been sooo helpful earlier, but i managed to clear it today! day 1 clear!
Congrats on the clear!
Me: Oh this sounds easier than Barbariccia. I'll learn this next.
Also Me: THERE'S A SHORT-TERM MEMORY TEST?!fuck
Cant believe we are getting intermediate relativity but with markers for this ex lul
Thanks for saving my brain :)
Oh God I can't comprehend that fast T^T
Thanks so much! Theological Fatalism is the only part that still confuses me; is there a good way to quickly tell which way the head is going to point?
While waiting for rings to appear, I try to mentally prep for the middle head. I visualise the following: 1 as cleaving where it's already facing
2 as cleaving 90 degrees counter clockwise (back where it came from)
3 as cleaving behind where the head is facing.
This makes it quicker to solve when the rings finally show up.
if you haven't yet, have a look at my mini-guide at this exact mechanic: th-cam.com/video/7YwYQQHMeN8/w-d-xo.html
Wish I saw this before I got basically blacklisted from every single group cause I kept screwing up the theological fatalism 2 mechanic and wiping everyone... 😞 I really wanted the lynx too...
Aglaia Guide when? :^)
is there a trick for "Fatalism"? This mechanic is the one tripping me up the most especially the one near the end with 4 sets. Which one spawns first?
The first to spawn in each pair is random, but there is a trick. Look at the rings for one of the planets; if they’re spinning fast, that’s going to explode first; if they’re spinning slow, it’s exploding second (meaning the opposite pair is exploding first). Hope this helps!
Aaaaarrrgggg why did I choose to work overtime on patch day I’m gonna diiiiiie
FOR THE LOVE OF EMET SELCH TYSM I UNDERSTAND 5 HEAD NOW
Thumbs up!
Dumb question here but did you make this with PowerPoint?
I use Keynote instead (Slightly nicer animations), but my friends have told me I need to learn to use AfterEffects.
Oh. My. God. Those mechanics are wack painful.
Are the directions/pattern of theological fatalism 1 always the same or do you have to react to what you're seeing
From what I can tell, you have to react. The only pattern is that the planet type will be the same as the Elegeia that just happened. It means you unfortunately have to stay middle, pop sprint, and wait for the first set of planets to rewind.
are you KIDDING me!? the fight is THAT simple????
updated slides pog
0:35 that's counter clockwise
Good catch! Tired brain forgot how a clock works XD
@@HectorHectorson lol I was just confused as to which one is correct. Thank you so much for your guide. So helpful. So quick too!
One question, anti nockback work for the blue planet?
Unfortunately not. You'll have to ride the knockback. I recommend holding your hands up and shouting "weeee" to make the whole thing less scary.
@@HectorHectorson Though with rpr gress move you can counter it.
Memory mechanics are my bane.
I find it easiest to simplify it and mumble to myself. During the combo with all of the flares/spreads/stacks, I repeat aloud “in” then “in, out” then “in, out, out”. Then when i get my rings, I just work backwards. Helps to counteract my rubbish memory! XD
Nooo thankx
I hate that blue-blue-red-red patten
A shame that 50% of the time the mechanic is significantly harder.
this was a terrfic illustration what did you use ot animate all this?
Keynote (powerpoint for Mac). Trying to build up the willpower to learn After Effects.
Good guide just could do without the lip smacking.
Thanks for the tip!
@@HectorHectorson Hey thanks for taking the feedback and rolling with it. Some youtubers would be vindictive and amp it up after getting a comment like mine but you've been super considerate. Your guides are consistently great and I especially hope to see you cover all of the ultimates eventually.
How do you know which set of planets will go off first. I never know which set to dodge until it’s too late.