Absolutely right I’m reading reports of engine failures spun bearings on trucks with 7500 hundred miles. One poor fella is on his 3rd engine. I’d avoid like the plague!
Towing capabilities are based more on the chassis and suspension than on the engine. I agree though that I prefer a v8 or at least a big 6. I don't trust turbos for long term reliability except in diesels.
LOL because I WAS wrong! I was looking at the GVWR of 5750 on the inner door sticker which is what I can load in the vehicle safely (that is really good though). I've been looking at RVs and crossed my signal there. The 2010 450h tow capacity is 3850 and I do tow around a 18 ft fish and ski Pioneer Venture with ease. 4runner is higher rated at 5000 lbs I should have known that.
The old V8s are more reliable for sure. You can get away with the new turbo charged V6s as long as you don't tow much with it. Which defeats the entire purpose of the vehicle.
I just bought a 2019 Tundra because i did not want the V6 Turbo. The dealer tried to tell me how much better the new Tundra is and how it had more power. I think the V6 only gets two MPG better than the V8. I wanted something that will last like my 97 Tacoma still going strong!
Those 2 extra MPG are wiped out as soon as you start putting your foot in it or pulling some weight. Extra air into the intake needs extra fuel to keep the ratio. Just basic math.
Those are EPA rated 2MPG better. You'd never see that in real life. I've never been able to reach EPA numbers except on diesels. Probably why no one buys diesels; nobody's impressed with the EPA numbers.
He is old school, and not very knowledgeable on a lot of stuff to be honest. People that are not knowledge on engines, think he is right. He is simply wrong.
5.7 starter went out at 140k My 3.4 manual Tacoma 300k only problems I’ve had is some misfires always something easy plug wire twice and a coil pack. Not a fan of the twin turbo
@@sumanasoh the newest Hilux in Brazil makes 500+ Nm of torque and 200+ hp. The VW Amarok uses a V6 TDI with 270 hp and almost 600 Nm of torque. I'm pretty sure that the 4L V6 on the Tacoma would be easily smoked by the 2.8 TDI from the Hilux (actually Toyota once sold the Hilux with the 4L V6, and nobody bought, pecause it had less torque than the entry level Diesel Hilux (which, at the time had around 400 Nm)
@chfpontiac5849 I average 13 unloaded. 35's with stock gearing, cruising flat road and light throttle at 65 I see 18-22mpg hauling. Accel to 65 loaded gets 3-4mpg. ARH Long tubes, catless true 4" exhaust, ram air, tuned on 93....
As someone who went from a eco-boost V6 turbo to a tundra V-8 I can tell you the driving experience was far superior in the tundra. Not only that the towing mpg was 2.3 mpg per gallon better in the tundra. Once those turbo start spinning it’s like Stacey Abrams at the Buffet line good luck there’s nothing left.
Turbocharging everything these days is a ploy to get everyone used to cars breaking down sooner to make themselves more money. They claim it’s for economic reasons, but I had a ‘93 civic that got better gas mileage than the new ones by about 5 mpgs
That’s because your 93 civic wasn’t bogged down by all these emissions which began in the late 90s. If that car/engine was produced today it would put out roughly 45hp and get less than 20mpg. Emission standards are the problem.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I mean no idea. Turbos are used on trains, planes, diesels, semis, ships. A turbo charger is used, because you can get far Superior power , economy out of a motor. They do it all while using free flowing exhaust usually. Scotty is old school mindset, but is flat out wrong on many things. The Toyota has problems, because it is a brand new design. It will take a few years. Buy a Ford 2.7 or 3.5. They torture tested the crap out of those motors. They are damn good motors, especially the 2.7.
It doesn't help that turbocharged engines demand higher octane fuels to run correctly, yeah the ECU can get them to "Run fine" on 87 but there's only soo much the computer can do.
@Poo Ninja - AAAWWWWWE that would be so fKing sweet! A 5.7-V8 in a sporty Tacoma! It would start a war with the old small truck big V8 trucks like the Ford Lightning, Dodge Dakota and Chevy SS.
Now that's a truck I would buy in a minute and still keep my 2017 Tundra that I bought used in 2020 for $38,000 with 20,000 miles and has 50,000 miles now that I could probably sell for what I paid or more....But it's not for sale!!
Just traded in my 2012 5.7 hemi for a 2016 5.7 i-force in a Tundra. Just as you said Scotty, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of miles on a Toyota V8. My old hemi, not so much. I'll take reliability over fuel mileage any day of the week.
They initially had turbo issues due to the electronic wastegate, went to vacuum control...problem solved. Just traded my 22 Tundra with zero issues for a limited production 1794 Limited Edition i-force MAX...Great improvement from 2022 to the 2024 in all areas. If only they'd just give us a diesel version in the US!!!
yep, I agree. The 4.7 and 5.7 they used were mostly bullet-proof. They had some issues with some yrs, but most were exceptional. Gas mileage was not their forte, but neither are most V8’s in a trk
10000% right! I was shopping for a Tundra and most available were the v6 garbage. Had to look hard for the v8. Scored a sweet 5.7L 4x4 crewmax with under 30k on the clock 👍
Not only are they neutering the engine and trying to make up for it on paper but they are still suffering from spun bearings at under 50k miles. And its a 30k price to replace the engine in the 2024s! Cause they have to rip the entire truck apart to fix it! This is the problem with auto makers these days... make it cheaper till it breaks and then blame the customers and try to weasel out of the warranty claim.
With my 5L V8 F150 i get better highway mileage then my friend's V6 ecoboost F150. Same year, same cab, same box, same 4X4 drivetrain. I'll stick with my V8
Hwy I could believe, but that’s strange. Both with 10speeds? I average 21-24Hwy depending on load and speed. At 63mph my truck runs about 13,500RPM. That’s below idle in many trucks. 2018 crew cab f150 3.5 v6. Always drive 8 over. Unfortunately I rarely see the Hwy longer than 7 minutes. My 3.5 ecoboost averages about what the 5.0 gets Hwy. I average between 19.1-21.1 in bluff county WI, and haul wood every other week. My longest drive is about 10-15 miles over bluffs one way. No 5.0 is averaging that in such conditions. Not even empty driving like a grandma. From 2018-present Ford has ironed out their v6 ecoboost problems(adding cam chain guides and port intake injection). Unfortunately they still have an internal water pump. So at least by 150k I will require around $3000 hopefully…preventative…maintenance done. Meanwhile, since 2018-? the 5.0 has had cylinder wall lining problems. Ford seems to ruin or eliminate all their reliable engines. Surely the four cylinder ecoboost is a nightmare. As well first gen v6, even cam chain and/or intake build up until 2017. Since 2018 the debate between the Ford v6 and v8 is a toss up. But the debate between the v6 ecoboost(and 5.0) vs the tundra v8 is a no brainer, despite what Scotty says. I’ve done the math. By 150,000 miles an ecoboost will have saved over $12,000 in fuel costs, and that was before these high prices. Putting that number today closer to $18,000. That covers an entire drivetrain replacement. Meanwhile the F150 handles substantially heavier loads, puts out far more power with far better MPG, better handling, more room, better ride. And now that Toyota is dropping the v8, they will have nothing to brag about.
The problem with the ecoboost is people tend to enjoy pushing the gas pedal down and feeling the turbos work. That drops the mileage significantly. If you’re easy on the pedal and drive like you would the 5.0, you’ll get better mileage.
I have a '20 f150 4x4 crew cab 2.7 eco. I love every thing about it EXCEPT the fuel mileage. It really sucks I drive very easy I average 14 mpg hwy and city. I drove it 560 miles on eco mode no difference. I have a 24 foot enclosed trailer. I knew it would have bad gas mileage. Towed it 560 miles had to stop 6 times for fuel. If I use cruise the slightest hill it goes into passing gear 4 to 5000 rpm. It towed beautiful except for that damn fuel mileage!
I'm a huge fan of the Ford 5.0 Coyote motor, but I ended up buying an F150 with 3.5 ecoboost. I have not been disappointed about a single thing. It has outperformed any previous F150 that I've owned in both power and fuel economy by a considerable margin. It even has outperformed my brothers F150(same year model) that has the 5.0 Coyote. Both stock of course. I do however like the fact that the Coyote has way more potential with tuners and power adders, that will make it leave the 3.5 ecoboost in its dust. And that Coyote sounds fantastic. I don't think it's a bad choice going with either one of these engines. The Coyote probably wins in the maintenance cost long term, because I've been told there are certain maintenance costs, and procedures required for the 3.5. Through its life the Coyote won't have.
@@jasonduke3608 I have the 3.5 and 2 things made a big difference for me. First, drive easy, but in Sport mode, this keeps it out of boost longer. Second, I got a performance tune. Not only do I have more power, I’m getting better gas mileage. For towing put in tow/haul mode and lock out 8-10th gears. This minimizes boost and keeps engine cooler by circulating the coolant more. Al’s, get a performance/tow tune
Have them both. Wife is running the 2022, I have an 2007 on 35's. I will go 70's-80's Chevy for me after this. Have a few already. My 72 blazer has been as reliable as any Toyota I've ever ran.
@@ThirdBrainLives right. So using EV because it’s eco friendly is idiotic. Most people are arrogant or don’t care about where things come from. The electricity for most charging stations is fueled by gas and coal.
As an owner of the 5.7 with a little more than 300k miles, I couldn't agree more. I know Toyota builds good stuff, but I was really hoping for a v8 option. At least the 4.6! Bummer-
Just got a 2016 Tundra a few weeks ago. The 2022's they are a let down. maybe one day we will be allowed to return to how life and things were in 2018-19 before the scamdemic attack on the world took place. I have said the same thing on other boards and its all just fan boy propaganda. Tried telling these people and others the issues with these boosted plat forms to replace every day use. A 2022 Tundra with the twin turbo motor now, will not last as long as the previous tundra's, will be more maintenance and higher maintenance costs. Check out the price for replacing just one turbo, Cause all these will need it before 100,000 miles.
I’m a firm believer that they build these trucks to break. Look at the old 1999-2007 Chevy 1500’s, they were capable of reaching 400,000 miles with minimal issues. Now look at the brand new Chevy trucks. They have a ton of computer crap that no one will use in the time of the trucks life yet they’re burning through rings every 50,000 miles, the transmissions I’ve heard are junk and they leak more oil than the BP spill.
Hating on turbo engines is really dumb nowadays. Take the Ford 2.7 Ecoboost. That engine is a tank and has no real issues. This isn't the 80s anymore. You can make a turbo that doesn't fail.
Yeah I completely agree, auto makers and mostly everything in general we buy are engineered to fall apart so we can continue the cycle of buying replacements. How else would corporations get wealthy?
In 2012 a Tundra with the 5.7L V8 engine and automatic transmission towed the 292,509 lb space shuttle Endeavor a quarter of a mile, (watch the video on TH-cam), unbelievable till you see it.
The problem is not toyota fault, its the EPA regulations and that is what it's causing pleoblem and yes you're right, we all love the V8. Ford jad the twin turbos V6 and not Ram has the new Hurricane i6 twin turbo so we can all thank the EPA.
The EPA pisses the living sh*t out of me. I can't STAND the ridiculous thought that cars are the reason we have environmental problems. Oh wait they know it isn't, they just want to blame ICEs. People in government just want to push what sounds good on paper to look like they care.
@@MiDLiFECRYSiS couldn't agree more. I do commercial HVAC and the EPA keeps giving us new refrigerants we have to use and by the time 50% of customers are switched over the new refrigerant is illegal.
How is Ford, Chevy and GMC continuing with V-8 engines? Why is a two truck model company worried about this? What government pressure? All the companies have to meet the same EPA MPG specs. Toyota chose to go backwards in their only large truck.
From what I could find online these new twin turbo v6s are very solid. First introduced in the Lexus ls500 I believe. There’s only been like 40 something tundras affected from turbo failure.. doesn’t mean they’re unreliable
I currently own my second Tundra a 2019 V8. I will never buy a full-size truck with a V6 engine. Toyota went woke and now they’ll lose customers. I’m done with Toyota.
@@Bane35755 Toyota was leasing that V8 because of the cost it takes to bring a new V8 to market. They don’t want to pay out the money to Chevy and most of their customers think they’re getting a fuel efficient engine now. So I don’t see them bringing back the V8.
@@NoahDoane imagine paying $65k for a full-sized truck with a car engine. I doubt you’ve ever needed a truck to haul, if you did you’d understand the issue here. Now go back to counting your mpg and let the adults discuss real issues.
Such a shame, they also ruined the Taco by taking away the 3.5L V6, also the Lexus RX, ES, by replacing the 3.5L V6 with the turbo 4cyl. Bad move Toyota.
Saw one take off from a light the other day and it was crazy to see something that big move so quickly. The problem is the trucks like the F150 Ecoboost are worrying Toyota about their fullsize being obsolete. The full-size American truck market is already a tough one to compete in, and literally being left in the dust will damage sales. But that’s taking away the simplicity and reliability we love Toyota for, and replacing it with yet another vehicle that needs to needlessly have the ability to rapidly accelerate to the passing lane, where it’ll camp at exactly the speed limit. What is the obsession with quick average cars?
The new Tundras are awesome and mine absolutey smokes V8 trucks on the highway. They fixed the issue with the Turbos. They aren't ruining it, they're keeping with the times. Also the old V8 Tundras had horrible MPG... worse than other V8s of the time.
You like the way they look? I liked the 2020. Scotty is always complaining about the “big mouth” grill on Lexus. I never minded them. But it’s all I see on those huge chintzy 2022 tundra grills.
Thank you Scotty for your advice. My 3V 2011 expedition recently had the engine go out at 169000. 11thousand for new motor. But I am looking at the tundras and have watched your videos for your advice on them.
@@tammyforbes2101 some people can but new generation can't check the oil ,for old school guys ya we can but with having to take the cab off that's whole new game an shop needed.
@@tammyforbes2101 I think Kilmer says the turbos wear the motors out in general. So you can deal with alternating between buying new turbos and buying new motors. On a vehicle that’s worth like $8000 because it doesn’t run
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Finally we agree on something lol. It is sad Toyota did the Tundra dirty. I don’t care how snappy an efficient the v6 turbo charged may be… that big Tundra needs that v8 back
I agree with all you said, but the 5.7 IFORCE engine in fact has issues...mainly the Secondary Air Injection Pump/valves, do it right it can cost $2500 to $3000...I know I have a 2010 Tundra with that engine with this problem, never knew Toyota had a bulletin out that extended the repair for 10 years or 150K miles whichever comes first, I have just under 60K miles
Yes the waste gate valve under no circumstances buy one. Remember the added boost pressure will prematurely wear out the engine. Theirs not a fix. Or parts to replace the defective valves.
Ha I had the 5.7 ,pulling my lil trailer to Colorado hunting ,with hunting gear ,got 11 mags ,this yr 2022 tundra 20. 3 same load ,glad I dumped that 2017 tundra .
The worst thing about the Toyota Tundra is the steering wheel there's nowhere on the bottom half of the wheel to put your hands comfortably. and for that reason alone I'm out
I owned a V6 4Runner 🏔️❄️👍 terrible MPG⛽ especially when I towed anything W tow button down for more Power. Moved got a van like the one behind Scotty, for my month+ off grid fishing 🎣 trips, as it holds more gear.⚙️
My 2013 F150 ecoboost I bought new required an $8k repair, cab off both turbos, brake booster pump all coolant lines replaced and new starter at 290k miles. The gas savings over 8 years was a wash out at best with the extra 4k I paid for the engine and the extra repairs. Although, ZERO downtime up until that point I should point out.
I agree 100% I have a TRD PRO Tacoma and hauling heavy it gets terrible mileage but it's a straight V6 non of that twin-turbo crap, So I was in the market for a V8 tundra and I wanted to buy a new one but no way I was going to spend my money on an engine not well tested even if its Toyota. With that said I found a 2010 Tundra with just over 124,000 miles and it's the 5.7L V8, let me tell you what a dream she drives 1 owner as well with records from Toyota up until they traded it into the dealership. What a deal.
Correction on this Scotty in that regardless of what you are buying never ever buy new unless you just have a lot of $$$ to throw away on a depreciating asset! Regardless of the engine - way way to much electronic goo that serves no purpose other than costing to much to repair unless under warranty!
And that is why I scrambled to get a 2022 Tacoma before the redesign. I dont want twin turbos that can not last 100k miles. Toyota is gonna shoot itself in the foot with these recent decisions, moving assembly to Mexico and reducing engine sizes in trucks. Lots of videos out there showing brand new Tacoma's where the doors scratch the fender when opened and the hoods not aligning properly. Thank goodness I had none of those issues.
Amen Scotty. Everyone is ruining their 1/2 ton trucks. Ford - V6 w/ turbos and 9 speed trannys. GM / Chevy with AFM. I dunno about Ram....always questionable. Knock it off already! My latest purchase - 2001 4WD Expedition w/ low miles. What a vehicle.
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So true V8 engine all way Scotty
I've had my Tundra for 15 years with no problems. Knock on wood. 😁 Great V8
Arm flailing 🇮🇱
A properly tuned v8 driven respectably will sh!t all over a 6 and have a similar and even a better fuel economy depending on application
Scotty is the reason why we bought a 2020 v8 Tundra. Made Nov 2019 before the coof parts issues.
I showed this to my orchestra and they played beautifully
New content lol
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Lol
Dude I just laughed out loud that was funny
Lmfao 🤣
How planes and helicopters aren't constantly circling to land while he films these videos is beyond me.
hah! You leave Scotty alone!
@@shesgotmmph Like his videos, just sayin......
Imagine he being invited to an Italian wedding. Everyone there would be moving their hands and arms.
Black helicopters?
@@williamtoney2599 better than blkck people
Absolutely right I’m reading reports of engine failures spun bearings on trucks with 7500 hundred miles. One poor fella is on his 3rd engine. I’d avoid like the plague!
750,000 miles is a miracle hahaha
Toyota, keep the V6 in the Tacoma. Make a V8 Tundra make your customers happy.
They would love to. The EPA emissions requirements are forcing them to do what we are seeing today. It’s a shame.
They could always do what they’ve always done and ignore the EPA, but then they couldn’t be part of the cabal.
Or at least an NA V6 plugin hybrid
@@JusCuzz333 GMC and Ford still offer a v8. I have a 23 Tundra btw, lmao
this aged well
I agree V8 please! My Lexus 450h has more tow capacity at 5750lbs than a 4runner at 5000lbs to. That seems wrong.
Lol does seem wrong
Ouch. That's a depressing fact of the day 😕
Towing capabilities are based more on the chassis and suspension than on the engine. I agree though that I prefer a v8 or at least a big 6. I don't trust turbos for long term reliability except in diesels.
LOL because I WAS wrong! I was looking at the GVWR of 5750 on the inner door sticker which is what I can load in the vehicle safely (that is really good though). I've been looking at RVs and crossed my signal there. The 2010 450h tow capacity is 3850 and I do tow around a 18 ft fish and ski Pioneer Venture with ease. 4runner is higher rated at 5000 lbs I should have known that.
@@vextract4662 just to clarify for others the GVWR also includes the weight of the car so it’s around 1200lbs.
I would rather get a used V8 Tundra for sure
T-100 all day
The old V8s are more reliable for sure. You can get away with the new turbo charged V6s as long as you don't tow much with it. Which defeats the entire purpose of the vehicle.
Just bought an 2010 tundra with V8, took me forever to find one in my budget that checked out but it's worth it, love it so much
V8 tundra engine detonates at 52k miles
@Scm Report my 2017 Tundra is at 160k miles and no issues so thats cap💁🏽♂️
Toyota....we want our V8 back in the Tundra. 😅
The buy a ford. Their trucks will run forever, even their ecoboost trucks are far and beyond what these wannabes are
@@wizzle0979 Tundra with V8 , made in Japan
Lasts forever ♥️
@@donjose6520 how many Toyota tundras do you see on the road made in the early 2000s? Compared with Ford, Toyota is building trash trucks.
@@wizzle0979 Tell that to Scotty Kilmer .
@@wizzle0979made in mexico?
I just bought a 2019 Tundra because i did not want the V6 Turbo. The dealer tried to tell me how much better the new Tundra is and how it had more power. I think the V6 only gets two MPG better than the V8. I wanted something that will last like my 97 Tacoma still going strong!
Those 2 extra MPG are wiped out as soon as you start putting your foot in it or pulling some weight. Extra air into the intake needs extra fuel to keep the ratio. Just basic math.
@@justacinnamonbun8658 Plus cool down time if run hard before turning it off.
Also like how the new "Hurricane" V6 Stellantis wants to replace the HEMI with, only will get 1 MPG MORE LMAO!
Yep! I have a ‘21 CrewMax and I love it. That 5.7 V8 is just fantastic. I drove the new one and it was pretty disappointing all around.
Those are EPA rated 2MPG better. You'd never see that in real life. I've never been able to reach EPA numbers except on diesels. Probably why no one buys diesels; nobody's impressed with the EPA numbers.
Scotty your 100% right I know a couple Toyota techs that told me they wouldn't buy the new tundra that says alot !!!!!!
He is old school, and not very knowledgeable on a lot of stuff to be honest. People that are not knowledge on engines, think he is right. He is simply wrong.
Funny, I know plenty who said the opposite.. 🤷♂️
I Agree Scotty!! I have an 05 Toyota Tundra with 287,456 miles and still good as today as the day I drove it off the lot!!
Scotty, you speak the truth and always have. Thank you for getting right to the point. The V8 was time proven!
I think they should bring back the 4.6 v8 they had up to like 18ish with a hybrid system behind them.
5.7 starter went out at 140k
My 3.4 manual Tacoma 300k only problems I’ve had is some misfires always something easy plug wire twice and a coil pack.
Not a fan of the twin turbo
Toyota has diesels in some of their pickups in other countries that last a long time. Maybe they should bring some over to the US?
Like Toyota Hilux here in Southeast Asia?
They are not powerful enough for americans taste 😂 The older hilux can barely get out of their own way 😅
@@lucienswift447 The new ones does have higher torque, I drive an old one with 192Ib ft of torque with a turbo 😂
Diesel fuel is out of the question at these prices
@@sumanasoh the newest Hilux in Brazil makes 500+ Nm of torque and 200+ hp. The VW Amarok uses a V6 TDI with 270 hp and almost 600 Nm of torque. I'm pretty sure that the 4L V6 on the Tacoma would be easily smoked by the 2.8 TDI from the Hilux (actually Toyota once sold the Hilux with the 4L V6, and nobody bought, pecause it had less torque than the entry level Diesel Hilux (which, at the time had around 400 Nm)
Hauling in my 5.7 right now, 20mpg at 65mph with 3000lbs of water in the bed. Wouldn't trade it for anything....
😂 Those trucks struggled to get 13-14mpg EMPTY!
@chfpontiac5849 I average 13 unloaded. 35's with stock gearing, cruising flat road and light throttle at 65 I see 18-22mpg hauling. Accel to 65 loaded gets 3-4mpg. ARH Long tubes, catless true 4" exhaust, ram air, tuned on 93....
No way you’re getting 20mpg. Mine gets me 12-14 and 15-16 on a good tank
Exactly
How in the world are you getting 20mpg’s ? I barely get 13 on a good day 😂
As someone who went from a eco-boost V6 turbo to a tundra V-8 I can tell you the driving experience was far superior in the tundra. Not only that the towing mpg was 2.3 mpg per gallon better in the tundra. Once those turbo start spinning it’s like Stacey Abrams at the Buffet line good luck there’s nothing left.
😂
Turbocharging everything these days is a ploy to get everyone used to cars breaking down sooner to make themselves more money. They claim it’s for economic reasons, but I had a ‘93 civic that got better gas mileage than the new ones by about 5 mpgs
Exactly
That’s because your 93 civic wasn’t bogged down by all these emissions which began in the late 90s. If that car/engine was produced today it would put out roughly 45hp and get less than 20mpg. Emission standards are the problem.
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I mean no idea. Turbos are used on trains, planes, diesels, semis, ships. A turbo charger is used, because you can get far Superior power , economy out of a motor. They do it all while using free flowing exhaust usually. Scotty is old school mindset, but is flat out wrong on many things. The Toyota has problems, because it is a brand new design. It will take a few years. Buy a Ford 2.7 or 3.5. They torture tested the crap out of those motors. They are damn good motors, especially the 2.7.
Preach.
It doesn't help that turbocharged engines demand higher octane fuels to run correctly, yeah the ECU can get them to "Run fine" on 87 but there's only soo much the computer can do.
Yes bring back the v8 , while your at it put the 5.7L in a Tacoma too!!!
@Poo Ninja - AAAWWWWWE that would be so fKing sweet! A 5.7-V8 in a sporty Tacoma! It would start a war with the old small truck big V8 trucks like the Ford Lightning, Dodge Dakota and Chevy SS.
Hell yeah
Now that's a truck I would buy in a minute and still keep my 2017 Tundra that I bought used in 2020 for $38,000 with 20,000 miles and has 50,000 miles now that I could probably sell for what I paid or more....But it's not for sale!!
I'm sure some JDM tuners probably already fitted a 5.7 v8 in a Tacoma somewhere drag racing it
Just wish Toyota's 5.7V8 was as reliable as the 4.0V6 the V6 uses a timing chain the 5.7 uses a belt
Just traded in my 2012 5.7 hemi for a 2016 5.7 i-force in a Tundra. Just as you said Scotty, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of miles on a Toyota V8. My old hemi, not so much. I'll take reliability over fuel mileage any day of the week.
Good move!
Scotty’s right all along! Recalls. Recalls. Recalls.
Scotty: avoid the new tundra
Also Scotty: I just got the new tundra, they fixed the turbo issue with a simple software update.
Mine runs absolutely fine
Turbo’s will kill that engine , keep a eye on oil color and level.
They initially had turbo issues due to the electronic wastegate, went to vacuum control...problem solved. Just traded my 22 Tundra with zero issues for a limited production 1794 Limited Edition i-force MAX...Great improvement from 2022 to the 2024 in all areas. If only they'd just give us a diesel version in the US!!!
Scotty's check didn't come through the mail from Toyota, he disapproves😂
My dads tundra got 385k miles and still running strong I just did a tune up for him free of charge
What year is it
yep, I agree. The 4.7 and 5.7 they used were mostly bullet-proof. They had some issues with some yrs, but most were exceptional. Gas mileage was not their forte, but neither are most V8’s in a trk
No replacement for displacement for power and reliability!
Toyota GR Corolla has something to say...
Pretty much. I had a 4.2 v6 f150 and my dad had a v8 silverado. The mileage difference was only in the city where the 6 was slight better
@@silversonic99 Thats the 3 cylinder right?
@@henrytom5824 yea a ~300hp one
@@henrytom5824 yeah it's pretty wild
10000% right!
I was shopping for a Tundra and most available were the v6 garbage. Had to look hard for the v8. Scored a sweet 5.7L 4x4 crewmax with under 30k on the clock 👍
Dads Ecoboost Ford 2.7 F150 is amazing and it's a great engine 100,000 miles and no issues
Hes one of the few
@@mach1yell66 simply untrue. And no I don't own one.
100000 miles aint hard to reach for any decently competent engine. Its gets past 200k with little to no issues that we can talk
@@ShooterMedic1818... Obviously not a mechanic.... That 2.7 twin turbo is a jinx 😂
No bad but still less say from 100 ford 5 are good no issues 😅
Not only are they neutering the engine and trying to make up for it on paper but they are still suffering from spun bearings at under 50k miles. And its a 30k price to replace the engine in the 2024s! Cause they have to rip the entire truck apart to fix it! This is the problem with auto makers these days... make it cheaper till it breaks and then blame the customers and try to weasel out of the warranty claim.
Just like Ford technicians say get the 5.0 not the eco boost!
Huge design flaw. Engineers designed a faulty engine I heard. New trucks on their third engines with under 20 thousand miles.
Nonsense😂😂😂
Maybe they want us using horses again.
I feel like a spells being cast upon me with all of the hand waving
😂
He used to be a marshaller
Gesticulation is Scotty's middle name!
My 5.7 Tundra has 172k miles and runs beautifully. No issues. I plan on keeping it for as long as I can.
With my 5L V8 F150 i get better highway mileage then my friend's V6 ecoboost F150. Same year, same cab, same box, same 4X4 drivetrain. I'll stick with my V8
Hwy I could believe, but that’s strange. Both with 10speeds? I average 21-24Hwy depending on load and speed. At 63mph my truck runs about 13,500RPM. That’s below idle in many trucks. 2018 crew cab f150 3.5 v6. Always drive 8 over. Unfortunately I rarely see the Hwy longer than 7 minutes.
My 3.5 ecoboost averages about what the 5.0 gets Hwy. I average between 19.1-21.1 in bluff county WI, and haul wood every other week. My longest drive is about 10-15 miles over bluffs one way. No 5.0 is averaging that in such conditions. Not even empty driving like a grandma.
From 2018-present Ford has ironed out their v6 ecoboost problems(adding cam chain guides and port intake injection). Unfortunately they still have an internal water pump. So at least by 150k I will require around $3000 hopefully…preventative…maintenance done.
Meanwhile, since 2018-? the 5.0 has had cylinder wall lining problems. Ford seems to ruin or eliminate all their reliable engines.
Surely the four cylinder ecoboost is a nightmare. As well first gen v6, even cam chain and/or intake build up until 2017.
Since 2018 the debate between the Ford v6 and v8 is a toss up. But the debate between the v6 ecoboost(and 5.0) vs the tundra v8 is a no brainer, despite what Scotty says. I’ve done the math.
By 150,000 miles an ecoboost will have saved over $12,000 in fuel costs, and that was before these high prices. Putting that number today closer to $18,000. That covers an entire drivetrain replacement. Meanwhile the F150 handles substantially heavier loads, puts out far more power with far better MPG, better handling, more room, better ride. And now that Toyota is dropping the v8, they will have nothing to brag about.
The problem with the ecoboost is people tend to enjoy pushing the gas pedal down and feeling the turbos work. That drops the mileage significantly. If you’re easy on the pedal and drive like you would the 5.0, you’ll get better mileage.
I have a '20 f150 4x4 crew cab 2.7 eco. I love every thing about it EXCEPT the fuel mileage. It really sucks I drive very easy I average 14 mpg hwy and city. I drove it 560 miles on eco mode no difference. I have a 24 foot enclosed trailer. I knew it would have bad gas mileage. Towed it 560 miles had to stop 6 times for fuel. If I use cruise the slightest hill it goes into passing gear 4 to 5000 rpm. It towed beautiful except for that damn fuel mileage!
I'm a huge fan of the Ford 5.0 Coyote motor, but I ended up buying an F150 with 3.5 ecoboost. I have not been disappointed about a single thing. It has outperformed any previous F150 that I've owned in both power and fuel economy by a considerable margin. It even has outperformed my brothers F150(same year model) that has the 5.0 Coyote. Both stock of course. I do however like the fact that the Coyote has way more potential with tuners and power adders, that will make it leave the 3.5 ecoboost in its dust. And that Coyote sounds fantastic. I don't think it's a bad choice going with either one of these engines. The Coyote probably wins in the maintenance cost long term, because I've been told there are certain maintenance costs, and procedures required for the 3.5. Through its life the Coyote won't have.
@@jasonduke3608 I have the 3.5 and 2 things made a big difference for me. First, drive easy, but in Sport mode, this keeps it out of boost longer. Second, I got a performance tune. Not only do I have more power, I’m getting better gas mileage.
For towing put in tow/haul mode and lock out 8-10th gears. This minimizes boost and keeps engine cooler by circulating the coolant more. Al’s, get a performance/tow tune
You know it's bad news for Toyota when Scotty disses their product.
Someone needs to do a mashup with Scotty directing a choir or an orchestra.
Money money moneeeee!!!!
Have them both. Wife is running the 2022, I have an 2007 on 35's. I will go 70's-80's Chevy for me after this. Have a few already. My 72 blazer has been as reliable as any Toyota I've ever ran.
Remember folks, you still have to mine for EV material 😂😂
The NPC brain can't comprehend that until the Media tells them to be concerned about it.
And I guarantee they're not using electric machinery to mine it, process it, and ship it halfway around the world!
@@ThirdBrainLives right. So using EV because it’s eco friendly is idiotic. Most people are arrogant or don’t care about where things come from. The electricity for most charging stations is fueled by gas and coal.
EV is the future and I cannot wait
Hey! Electricity comes from the wall and it's better for the environment!
As an owner of the 5.7 with a little more than 300k miles, I couldn't agree more. I know Toyota builds good stuff, but I was really hoping for a v8 option. At least the 4.6! Bummer-
Just got a 2016 Tundra a few weeks ago. The 2022's they are a let down. maybe one day we will be allowed to return to how life and things were in 2018-19 before the scamdemic attack on the world took place. I have said the same thing on other boards and its all just fan boy propaganda. Tried telling these people and others the issues with these boosted plat forms to replace every day use. A 2022 Tundra with the twin turbo motor now, will not last as long as the previous tundra's, will be more maintenance and higher maintenance costs. Check out the price for replacing just one turbo, Cause all these will need it before 100,000 miles.
I’m a firm believer that they build these trucks to break. Look at the old 1999-2007 Chevy 1500’s, they were capable of reaching 400,000 miles with minimal issues. Now look at the brand new Chevy trucks. They have a ton of computer crap that no one will use in the time of the trucks life yet they’re burning through rings every 50,000 miles, the transmissions I’ve heard are junk and they leak more oil than the BP spill.
@@lucienswift447 just do a 360 and walk away from this channel then.
@@connor2705 Unless you had the 4LShitty.
Hating on turbo engines is really dumb nowadays. Take the Ford 2.7 Ecoboost. That engine is a tank and has no real issues. This isn't the 80s anymore. You can make a turbo that doesn't fail.
Yeah I completely agree, auto makers and mostly everything in general we buy are engineered to fall apart so we can continue the cycle of buying replacements. How else would corporations get wealthy?
In 2012 a Tundra with the 5.7L V8 engine and automatic transmission towed the 292,509 lb space shuttle Endeavor a quarter of a mile, (watch the video on TH-cam), unbelievable till you see it.
I would take a Toyota over any other brand!
Just bought a beautiful newly used 2012 Tundra 4.6L V8 crewmax.
Love my truck.
Amen !
I just traded my ‘17 Tundra on a ‘21 TRD Pro. Stoked to get the last of the V8 Tundras. The V6 TT doesn’t appeal to me at all.
The problem is not toyota fault, its the EPA regulations and that is what it's causing pleoblem and yes you're right, we all love the V8. Ford jad the twin turbos V6 and not Ram has the new Hurricane i6 twin turbo so we can all thank the EPA.
Don't yell at toyota, yell at the govt.
The EPA pisses the living sh*t out of me. I can't STAND the ridiculous thought that cars are the reason we have environmental problems. Oh wait they know it isn't, they just want to blame ICEs. People in government just want to push what sounds good on paper to look like they care.
@@MiDLiFECRYSiS couldn't agree more. I do commercial HVAC and the EPA keeps giving us new refrigerants we have to use and by the time 50% of customers are switched over the new refrigerant is illegal.
How is Ford, Chevy and GMC continuing with V-8 engines? Why is a two truck model company worried about this? What government pressure? All the companies have to meet the same EPA MPG specs. Toyota chose to go backwards in their only large truck.
@@billthompson2860they bribe the big boys
@@billthompson2860they don’t sell as many trucks therefore they can’t mass produce to offer as many options. Simple as that
If they want a V6 in this truck they should use the 4.0 liter 4runner engine. But v8 is ideal
Saw this one coming. Stoked I got my 21. Keeping it till the wheels fall off.
They won't ever fall off. LOL
From what I could find online these new twin turbo v6s are very solid. First introduced in the Lexus ls500 I believe. There’s only been like 40 something tundras affected from turbo failure.. doesn’t mean they’re unreliable
I will stick with my 1995 f 150 ford 4x4 xl 302 engine 5 speed standard.
I bought a used 2016 Tundra, with the 5.7 v8. It had 100,000 miles on it. Just broke in for a Toyota. I plan on keeping it indefinitely
Damn dude Scotty is so right. Knew there was something off with the new one just by seeing it
So true, now the Tundra is a hybrid also... I was shopping for the new Tundra but no V8, no deal.
Honda makes their turbo wheel (in exhaust stream) out of Inconel. Honda does it right. Inconel has a high nickel content
Turn down the audio and it looks like Scotty is an award-winning composer.
I currently own my second Tundra a 2019 V8. I will never buy a full-size truck with a V6 engine. Toyota went woke and now they’ll lose customers. I’m done with Toyota.
Toyota might change their mind and bring back the V8 for 2023. It could happen. Don't give up now.
@@Bane35755 Toyota was leasing that V8 because of the cost it takes to bring a new V8 to market. They don’t want to pay out the money to Chevy and most of their customers think they’re getting a fuel efficient engine now. So I don’t see them bringing back the V8.
Imagine being butthurt over a new engine
@@NoahDoane imagine paying $65k for a full-sized truck with a car engine. I doubt you’ve ever needed a truck to haul, if you did you’d understand the issue here. Now go back to counting your mpg and let the adults discuss real issues.
Most ford owners that I have heard from say the 3.5 hauls better than the 5.0. More low rpm torque.
You are absolutely right Scotty I hope they see this video and listen to you
Just got me a 2018 tundra 5.7 v8 and I love it
I was looking into it as well. No go for myself.
Such a shame, they also ruined the Taco by taking away the 3.5L V6, also the Lexus RX, ES, by replacing the 3.5L V6 with the turbo 4cyl. Bad move Toyota.
The solution is going to be , stop buying the new tundras
And Toyota will consider the v8 fast after that
Respect to you Scott. As big as a Toyota "fanboy" you come off as, you aren't a fan boy and you tell it like it is
Still hauling with my ‘08 Tundra. Still love it!
I own a 2005 Tundra with a 4.7 and I absolutely love it
Who is here after the recalls and engine failures
I love my 2018 tundra!! Yes the fuel mileage is blah but man this thing rides like a dream 👍👍👍
Toyota should have gone the opposite way on this.
A beefed up Lexus version of the Tundra would be nice
Capstone trim level do research.
I own an 05 sequoia. Love it. Wanted a new one but will not buy one with a v6. I don't care how many turbos they put in there. RIP Toyota
Saw one take off from a light the other day and it was crazy to see something that big move so quickly. The problem is the trucks like the F150 Ecoboost are worrying Toyota about their fullsize being obsolete. The full-size American truck market is already a tough one to compete in, and literally being left in the dust will damage sales. But that’s taking away the simplicity and reliability we love Toyota for, and replacing it with yet another vehicle that needs to needlessly have the ability to rapidly accelerate to the passing lane, where it’ll camp at exactly the speed limit. What is the obsession with quick average cars?
Showing off
The new Tundras are awesome and mine absolutey smokes V8 trucks on the highway. They fixed the issue with the Turbos. They aren't ruining it, they're keeping with the times. Also the old V8 Tundras had horrible MPG... worse than other V8s of the time.
yep!
New tundras may look great, but cmon guys bring back the v8 s
You like the way they look? I liked the 2020. Scotty is always complaining about the “big mouth” grill on Lexus. I never minded them. But it’s all I see on those huge chintzy 2022 tundra grills.
Thank you Scotty for your advice. My 3V 2011 expedition recently had the engine go out at 169000. 11thousand for new motor. But I am looking at the tundras and have watched your videos for your advice on them.
It will cost $5k per turbo when they need to be replaced. Keep that in mind.
Meh you can get a nice one for $1500 do it yourself and it last for 100’s of thousands of miles.
@@tammyforbes2101 do it yourself right everyone can do that
Yeah, that's incorrect.
@@tammyforbes2101 some people can but new generation can't check the oil ,for old school guys ya we can but with having to take the cab off that's whole new game an shop needed.
@@tammyforbes2101 I think Kilmer says the turbos wear the motors out in general. So you can deal with alternating between buying new turbos and buying new motors. On a vehicle that’s worth like $8000 because it doesn’t run
Remember the 2jz and 3sgte, Scotty?
Toyotas got this.
Bravo Scotty.
There is NO medication for stupidity!
There's also no medication for bean counter interference!
@@DekGT5mad
True Derek Nickles.
Thank you for your contribution.
Best of luck!
You guys realize this is a epa thing right, you know all the v8s will be phased out.
@@IcatchTuna
Well said J K1. Thank you.
Yes. You are correct.
But God stays in control.
The Almighty Father of heaven and earth does not tolerate any interference.
The epaulets' day will come.
As the day. Of the man of the day. Instructing to have innocent women and children bombed.
It's a fact. As a cow is a fact. The tide always turns. There is no ultimate escape.
Keep very well. And safe. Dear friend.
And Scotty needs a lot of that medication. He's 100% MAGA!
My v8 tundra went 300k and ran great didn’t use any oil between changes, awesome truck, bought another
Incredible flailing arm man. Or as my daughter calls it…. French fry guy
I got one of the last V8 2021!! Opted for 2wd for more towing capacity.
SCOTTY LOVE YOUR VIDEOS BUT IF YOU GET HANDCUFFED WOULD YOU STILL BE ABLE TO TALK. JUST KIDDING KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK
Just accept that the hand waving is part of Scotty’s persona. It is what it is, part of Scotty being Scotty!
He'll have the right to remain silent.
Tundra was always a 2nd tier truck. Low sales for good reason. Facts.
My friend’s tundra has 550k on his tundra and yes its v8.
Finally we agree on something lol. It is sad Toyota did the Tundra dirty. I don’t care how snappy an efficient the v6 turbo charged may be… that big Tundra needs that v8 back
Toyota would not sabotage their own vehicles. Blame the EPA and Democrats, NOT Toyota.
I'm not a fan of Toyota but I agree 100 percent. Everyone is excited about twin turbo v6s. Just wait till they have to start paying repair bills
According To Ben Hardy He Say’s The New Tundra is The Best Version Of The Tundra He Has No Clue What He’s Talking About !
I agree with all you said, but the 5.7 IFORCE engine in fact has issues...mainly the Secondary Air Injection Pump/valves, do it right it can cost $2500 to $3000...I know I have a 2010 Tundra with that engine with this problem, never knew Toyota had a bulletin out that extended the repair for 10 years or 150K miles whichever comes first, I have just under 60K miles
Yes the waste gate valve under no circumstances buy one. Remember the added boost pressure will prematurely wear out the engine. Theirs not a fix. Or parts to replace the defective valves.
Ha I had the 5.7 ,pulling my lil trailer to Colorado hunting ,with hunting gear ,got 11 mags ,this yr 2022 tundra 20. 3 same load ,glad I dumped that 2017 tundra .
Yes! And now that Toyota is back to being fun, imagine if they built a V8 performance engine based on the tundra V8
The worst thing about the Toyota Tundra is the steering wheel there's nowhere on the bottom half of the wheel to put your hands comfortably. and for that reason alone I'm out
And now going to take the V6 out of the 4runner. Toyota is making huge mistakes
I owned a V6 4Runner 🏔️❄️👍
terrible MPG⛽ especially when I towed anything W tow button down for more Power.
Moved got a van like the one behind Scotty, for my month+ off grid fishing 🎣 trips, as it holds more gear.⚙️
@@copcuffs9973 yeah tow something in that new 4 cylinder turbo and see how much mpg you get
My 2013 F150 ecoboost I bought new required an $8k repair, cab off both turbos, brake booster pump all coolant lines replaced and new starter at 290k miles. The gas savings over 8 years was a wash out at best with the extra 4k I paid for the engine and the extra repairs. Although, ZERO downtime up until that point I should point out.
You hear this Ram guys? The secound gen tundras are far superior to your trucks. Whoncares you have a updated interior
Just cracked over 200k on my 5.7v8 tundra. Has not broken down once.. I’m about ready for a new truck but probably looking at other options
I’ll take anyones Tundra off their hands.
I got a 2002 with 47k miles
@@tedbell4416 Take that thing out and drive it every now and then! Or did you disconnect the odometer?!
@@ronsamborski6230 nope it's real may be over 50k now not much more
@@tedbell4416 That’s impressive for a vehicle of that vintage. Best wishes for you and your Tundra.
my 2000 Tundra with the 4.7L V8 is fantastic
Man's just mad because he got stuck with a Tacoma. I have a 22 Tundra and absolutely love it.
I agree 100% I have a TRD PRO Tacoma and hauling heavy it gets terrible mileage but it's a straight V6 non of that twin-turbo crap, So I was in the market for a V8 tundra and I wanted to buy a new one but no way I was going to spend my money on an engine not well tested even if its Toyota. With that said I found a 2010 Tundra with just over 124,000 miles and it's the 5.7L V8, let me tell you what a dream she drives 1 owner as well with records from Toyota up until they traded it into the dealership. What a deal.
Correction on this Scotty in that regardless of what you are buying never ever buy new unless you just have a lot of $$$ to throw away on a depreciating asset! Regardless of the engine - way way to much electronic goo that serves no purpose other than costing to much to repair unless under warranty!
And that is why I scrambled to get a 2022 Tacoma before the redesign. I dont want twin turbos that can not last 100k miles. Toyota is gonna shoot itself in the foot with these recent decisions, moving assembly to Mexico and reducing engine sizes in trucks. Lots of videos out there showing brand new Tacoma's where the doors scratch the fender when opened and the hoods not aligning properly. Thank goodness I had none of those issues.
This video aged well.
Amen Scotty. Everyone is ruining their 1/2 ton trucks. Ford - V6 w/ turbos and 9 speed trannys. GM / Chevy with AFM. I dunno about Ram....always questionable. Knock it off already! My latest purchase - 2001 4WD Expedition w/ low miles. What a vehicle.