Jordan played 11 full seasons with 1 team (Broken foot 85-86, retired 93-94, only played 17 games at the end of 94-95 season). In those 11 seasons he had 10 scoring titles, 9 All Defense 1st team, 6 Rings, and 5 MVPs. Knock the Lebron shit off.
Bill Russell played 13 FULL seasons. In those 13, he went to TWELVE NBA Finals, won 11 and won 6 MVPs. Jordan played FIVE seasons without Pippen. In those five seasons, Jordan did not have ONE .500 season. NOT ONCE. WHY do you think Jordan can sniff Russell's jock if these are your criteria? Please, don't come back at me with "scoring titles", please. I will throw up.
@@emmanuelenyinwa1443 why not MJ actually won those scoring titles what wrong with that? bill russel won when there were 8 teams in the league . If you want to be like that Wade was a champion and a Final MVP before Lebron went to the heat… you cannot say that about Pippen
Thank you for this video. I'm so disgusted by the disrespect Kobe gets since his passing. None of these dudes would talk like this if the mamba was still alive. RIP my goat
This is how I feel about Tim Duncan. Im not even a fan of him or the spurs. Lebron hasn't pass Tim duncan. How could be consider the goat when he quit in the playoffs? Look it all up
• Quick story about Kobe, way back when he was in high school… a group of Baltimore area all-stars went to play against a Philly team in their prestigious Sonny Hill league all-stars in the summer of 95’… One of them was my younger cousin, and a few other kids who played Division One… etc. I can remember, my cousin coming back to Bmore and said: “I just played against a kid that could be better than Jordan” Of course I was like nah, you tripping… now this is before the days of the internet and cell phones… so I just couldn’t believe it. He was so excited and my cousin, played with some really good players… went to all the camps, (Nike, Five Star, etc) He got angry… and was like MAN IM TELLING YOU THAT KOBE BRYANT WILL BE GREAT ! Lol… I only took his word for it after speaking with the other guys on his team, and the coaches who all said the same thing… That this young man, was just on another level. When you hear this from peers, guys who are really talented in their own right… at that point in his career… you can’t help but reference that when you watched (when I watched) Kobe career progress… The thing he said that stuck out the most when he raved about Kobe, was how he just didn’t want to beat you, he wanted to dominate and humiliate you~ on both ends of the court. Kobe played with that same intensity his entire career… He said he played like he wanted to “break your will to compete” That’s the difference between MJ and Kobe… Although it wasn’t tangible like their skills, but it translated to their on court play. Lebron, NEVER possessed that intangible trait. Never… is real hoop fans knew early on, we could see the way he shrank in big moments… he was never a “Killer” never had that instinct.
Enjoyed reading this...and totally believe every word of it. You could see it in how Kobe played. He was an assassin from very early on and only got better.
@@wizmanballin8498 YEAH HE WAS LED HISTORY IN BRICKS HIM PLUS SHAQ COMBINED HAVE LESS MVPS THAN 1 JOKIC. MISSED SEVERAL PLAYOFFS WHEN SHAQ LEFT LAKERS TO MIAMI.CHOKES VS PISTONS 35% FG VS ROOKIE PRINCE. BESIDE HIGH USAGE SCORING HAS NO OTHER STATS. WAS BENCH FIRST 3 YEARS WHILE BRON AND GARNETT CARRY TEAMS LITERALLY FROM HIGH SCHOOL BECAME FRANCHISE.
@@chrishedricks308 CARRY TEAMS TO PLAYOFF IS BETTER THAN TO SIT ON BENCH BEHIND EDDIE JONES AND WITHOUT SHAQ NEVER SEEN A PLAYOFF THEN BLACKMAILED LAKERS TILL JERRY WEST RIGGED TRADE BUST KWAME FOR HOF GASOL. IM GLAD HE PAID WITH GIANNA FOR HIS RIGGED RINGS VS PIPPEN BLAZERS AND SACRAMENTO DIVAC
@@chrishedricks308 CARRY TEAMS TO PLAYOFF IS BETTER THAN TO SIT ON BENCH BEHIND EDDIE JONES AND WITHOUT SHAQ NEVER SEEN A PLAYOFF THEN BLACKMAILED LAKERS TILL JERRY WEST RIGGED TRADE BUST KWAME FOR HOF GASOL. IM GLAD HE PAID WITH GIANNA FOR HIS RIGGED RINGS VS PIPPEN BLAZERS AND SACRAMENTO DIVAC
@Girlitsdaveo you are clearly an emotional LeBum stan but if you are a true basketball fan then you know he is nowhere near Kobe let alone in the area of MJ. Please keep your empty stats 😂😂😂
@ you steady talking about Kobe like he had to mimic someone else game to be good he trash for that t Mac ain’t got no rings idk why we talking about him
Don't forget all the assists in this era are inflated. Not only are guys like Lebron, Luka, and Jokic dominating the ball on offense, they're also getting credited for assists when the guy they passed to has to create their own shot off multiple dribbles/pump fakes
@@RemoWilliams1227 BRYANT HAD SUPERTEAM FROM DAY 1. 1998 4 LAKERS PLAYED IN ALLSTAR GAME. MEANWHILE BRON CARRY FRANCHISE DAY 1 NO ALLSTAR HELP WHILE SPURS DALLAS SUNS AND LATER BOSTON ALL HAD 3 OR 4 ALLSTARS. U JUST PROVED BRYANT IS NOBODY CAUSE BRON DECIDED TO REVENGE ON 2000 ERA SUPERTEAMS WHILE KOBRICK WAS WAGON IN SUPERTEAM SINCE DAY 1
@@RemoWilliams1227 WHEN DID JORDAN AND KOBRICK PASSED RUSSELL? HE ALONE HAVE MORE RINGS THAN THEM 2 COMBINED. NOT TO MENTION BEST SHOOTING GUARD EVER SAM JONES 10 RINGS OR HAVLICEK GOAT 8-0 IN FINALS
All I know is I just had a guy tell me LeBron does enough on offense that it doesn’t matter if he plays defense at all because there are 4 more players on the team for defense. You can’t make this junk up.
Yep. Similar body type, Lebron just played on the wing… and “handled” the ball more ~ I say handle loosely, he had control of the ball more I should say.
This dude so overrated pick find the weakest defender then drive no moves his game is simple and bland mike had more moves in the post then LeBron has period facts💪
Great segment, oh my Kobe and MJ, so Kobe Bryant emulated MJ, took what he learned from MJ, and had the nerve or audacity to win championships with this formula and many people are not sure why Kobe is in the top five. This tells the entire world how truly great MJ was and his inspiration, his invaluable advice helped solidify another great basketball player. One thing can be like another if both things have similar formats. Both Kobe and MJ were simply coachable, dedicated to their craft, passionate about winning at the highest level, playing within the framework of the team concept, and had the innate ability to adapt to adversity and embrace pressure situations.
They are stat padding for Lebron. AOH just did an accurate breakdown using the exact timeline when Lebron was given credit for rebounds…. that he didn’t even collect. Seriously, he got credit for one when he was at the top of the 3pt line nowhere near the ball which fell to the ground and another Lakers player picked it up… Another where he tapped it out of bounds and it changed possession ~ He did a breakdown a few weeks ago on assist Lebron was credited with, when the player he passed it to, didn’t dribble straight to the basket, and took multiple (6) dribbles… insane that fans don’t pay attention to this. I watched the Lakers Hawks game and when they said LeBron had a triple double, I was thinking… “I didn’t see him grab that many boards… it was the same game AOH broke down according to the NBA website. This needs to be brought to light. How many rebounds and assists has LeBron been credited with that he truly didn’t deserve… SMH
i saw AOH video, i was sick. i say his whole career needs to be reviewed again to verify every single stat. it is beyond disrespectful to the game to be handing any body at any level stats, especially in this modern era with someone calling himself the goat.
@@Mandownsports SHOW ME 8-0 IN FINALS BY JORDAN U JUST PROVED HAVLICEK IS 500X BETTER THAN HIM PLUS HE NEVER QUIT OR RETIRED TO LOAD MANAGE LIKE JORBRICK ? SHALL I CALL BIRD TO SWEEP HIM AGAIN? OR NONE 75 MEMBER MONCRIEF
SHOW ME 8-0 IN FINALS BY JORDAN U JUST PROVED HAVLICEK IS 500X BETTER THAN HIM PLUS HE NEVER QUIT OR RETIRED TO LOAD MANAGE LIKE JORBRICK ? SHALL I CALL BIRD TO SWEEP HIM AGAIN? OR NONE 75 MEMBER MONCRIEF
U MEAN ROOKIE KYRIE? WHY LIE SO MUCH TYPICAL FOR JORDAN AND KOBRICK FANS. SHALL I CALL ROOKIE TYSHAUN TO LOCK HIM ON 30% SWEEP HIM AND TAKE HIS RING AGAIN?
The guy has five rings and people just wanted to put LeBron James ahead of Kobe Bryant before LeBron had even won a ring or even went to Miami... They thought they could make it stick after he won a couple championships in Miami but not so fast my friend. Kobe might not have as many MVPs because the media didn't like Kobe Bryant... Some of that came from allegations in eagle Colorado and not because of his performance on the basketball court, in other words Kobe should have more regular season MVPs and anyone in the right mind knows that already! And you're right about what Phil Jackson said to Michael jordan, Jordan actually went to Phil Jackson and asked him if we were going to be running more of a share the ball type of offense and Phil said yes and you're going to have to get used to that... Michael Jordan is the goat not only because of his willingness to be coached and not only his willingness to be a leader on the floor but his willingness to act as an extension of the head coach so everyone is on the same page...
I still don’t understand how people would pick a player who has a losing record in championship series, who accomplished less despite playing 6 more seasons as the GOAT over a player who is perfect in championship series across the board and who accomplished more in less time
Bro, Kobe almost 3peated twice like Jordan as well. Closest thing we got. One of like only 3 players I was scared to see in the finals or in playoffs in general: Iverson, Kobe and Kidd. They had crazy game takeover potential.
He damn near did have a second three pest. If they didn't get bad luck with Ariza and Bynum's injuries in 08 that could have made the difference. Game 4 they were up 21 points ready to tie the series 2-2 but the depth deficiency wore them down. Kobe's 09 and 10 runs through the stacked West were probably the most difficult runs in NBA history. That Back to Back championship run holds a lot of weight.
It still is a great debate cause it's not about championships although that double 3 peat hard to overcome. However Kobe is compared to 36 yr second 3 peat Jordan not the "come fly with me" Jordan. No one is compared to that dude.
Great debate vs who? Bron? Lol not Jordan. Kobe fans continue to disappoint me. As soon as Kobe gets any support to put him over Bron (which is a LOSING battle), yall jump out the box trying to make a case he was better than Jordan. Please stop this nonsense before you get Kobe embarrassed 😂😂
@javorisborden24 lol whatever 🤣 😂 I'm sorry kobe stan and lebum stan, they will never be looked at in the sane realm as mj, cry all you want, it will never happen lol stats prove it , again kobe was a great player, he's the greatest copycat in history of sports. I respect bean, I can't say that I respect lebum though
YEAH SO LIMITED THAT THEY GOT GLEN RICE BEST SHOOTER IN NBA. TO REMIND YOU JORDAN NEED 4 HALL OF FAMERS VERSUS DIVAC AND GLEN RICE. SO IF GLEN WAS LIMITED U JUST PROVED JORDAN IS NOBODY CAUSE HIM + 4 HOF BEAT WEAK CHARLOTTE IN PLAYOFF PRIMER TRADE TO THE LAKERS
People overrate lebrons "prime" (his maimi years) Lebrons game has pretty much been the same since day 1….the only difference is in miami aside from the (juice that is) he had two other prime all stars around him and shooters to take pressure off of HIS deficiencies which is why his STATS INFLATED in Miami- current (along with the softer rules of course) Put it this way…..lebron got to the finals 8 years in a row playing with WADE, BOSH, IRVING, LOVE thats 4 allstars in there prime and went 3 rings 5 loses Give Shaq and Kobe another prime allstar to play 3rd fiddle and they easily win like 6 rings Post Shaq years Kobe took Pau Gasol (who is NOT better or is on par with the 4 all stars lebron played with) took him to 3 finals in a row in 2.5 seasons (remember Kobe only had Pau for 27 games in the 2007-2008 season) give Kobe a 3rd allstar (any of the names listed above that lebron played with) and they easily 3peat and then probably win 1 or two more afterwards Conclusion Kobe won more in less time and requires LESS top heavy pieces to win (because kobe can play in a system) Lebron LOST more in a longer amount of time because he requires MORE top heavy pieces to cover up his offensive deficiencies and 3pt shooters (Lebron cant play in a system because he IS THE SYSTEM he has the ball majority of the time to maximzie his stats) long diatribe i know but thx for anyone who reads
Lebronamaniacs always overinflate LeBron’s importance in Miami and devalue DWade as if he was injured the entire time. DWade was league scoring leader the season before LeBron’s arrival averaging 29 per game. What Lebron thought would be easy Finals wins with the superteam in Miami really exposed exactly what you touched on which is his inability to play within a system. DWade admitted that he had to dial back his game to allow Lebron to thrive after the 2011 loss to the Mavs. This is why LeBron’s been using a copy and paste format with every team he’s played with since Miami.
Basketball is a two-way sport and therefore in order to be considered the GOAT, you have to have played exceptionally well on BOTH sides of the ball. LeBron takesa vacation on defense and therefore cannot be fairly considered in this conversation. To include him in the GOAT conversation is an insult to every great 2-way NBA player who ever laced up their sneakers.
Phil Jackson was a two time NBA champion with the Knicks as a player and played with legends like Willis Reed and Clyde Frazier. So while he didn’t have NBA coaching experience he did have something Mike didn’t at the time: multiple rings. Plus, he played 12 seasons. That’s why it isn’t surprising that Mike listened to him.
Lebron James is strictly a Mass Media creation and the Mass Media didn't acknowledge Kobe because the NBA is only important when it comes to their very own creation!!! Mass Media screwed over Kobe in their efforts to make sure that Lebron could outshine MJ!!! It was and still is a losing effort on behalf of a player who is just above average in his skills!!! He is not on the level of either of them and his behavior for the last six months proves it!!! He destroyed his son's blossoming career because he wanted (not needed) to outdo MJ in something!!! It didn't work!!!
What level are you on?? What did you and your boys accomplish in the NBA?? Move on with life because Jordan can't play another game. Let him enjoy being a granddad.
The biggest difference IMO between MJ/Kobe and Lebron is that the former had the skill set and mentality to take over a game therefore when they say "give me the f-ing ball" all their team mates would listen and trust, while Flop King doesn't! He simply has no such bag and because of that is unsure of his own skills and this has been in full display so many times! And that is why I can't place LeQueen nowhere near other greats the likes of MJ, Kobe, Kareem, Wilt, Magic-Bird duo...no matter whatever others might think, he's not even making my top 10 all time list, and the reason is that if i bet on a team winning i would always go with Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, David Robinson, and that's 4 plus the 6 i already have at the top it makes 10, and i would NEVER kick any of them because of a guy that has a high chance of melting down, bricking under pressure even free throws...NO...not to mention D! It's a shit show that we ended up talking about certain players as being 'two-way' ones when only a couple of decades ago if you don't play D you don't play more than a couple of minutes if at all...
Phil: “Michael I’m gonna take the ball away from you” MJ: “ok Phil” & STILL gave them MFrs 30+ppg season, 40ppg in 93 postseason and over 30ppg in the Finals.
Swap LBJ out and put MJ on those teams that LBJ won a championship with, Im very certain that team would have won maybe plus a couple more championships that LBJ lost, and now swap LBJ IN for MJ on those Bulls that won 6 ships…I don’t think the bulls would have won 6…LBJ is definitely not winning that series against Utah.
MJ is 1 Kobe is 1. Kobe is the remix to MJ. Not as athletic but added the 3 ball, more counters, and added more footwork to the midrange. Kobe was my hero growing up so it's hard for me to put anybody over him. They both are complete players though with zero weaknesses. Man Down Sports stay dropping facts.
Bruh! First time here! Didn’t think I would make it through entire video…but I just let it rock…next thing I know, 24:11 had passed 😂. Your breakdowns and takes sound 1000% knowledgeable and practiced. I don’t know you’re background but I can tell you’re a real student of the game. I just subscribed. 💪🏾
NO ARGUMENT! It just depends on how you measure greatness. But if you want to do a ACTUAL FACTS comparison, just look at how many times each player made ALL NBA 1st TEAM and ALL NBA DEFENSIVE TEAM IN THE SAME YEARS. That'll give you the best way to tell you how long they dominated at there position against their peers. Jordan has 9, Kobe 8, Labron 5
I will say this until I am blue in the face but LeBron is not better than Magic according to LeBeon fans logic being they only use one end of the floor for their argument and considering Magic averaged a double-double for his career.
In an era when rebounds and even assists were more difficult to come by. I watched LeBron get an assist when the player he passed to (AD) took 6 dribbles… insane.
Skillset wise on the all time level with the desire to win - compete, venomous, and doing anything it takes - MJ, Larry, and Kobe are at the top. When you also think of leadership to instill the winning mindsets to teammates to create winning culture, Jordan is the clear cut at the top - and I could argue Tim Duncan for the top 2. LeBron's place on All Time spot is a product of LeBron's ego and bombardment of LeBron stories, mainstream "analysts" opinions, and most importantly, recency bias. My honest opinion - LeBron doesn't have leadership qualities that MJ, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Kobe Bryant, Bill Russell, Tim Duncan, or Kareem possessed. He's a physical specimen built like a tight-end playing basketball to be an "all around player" - still with a few deficiencies in his game, but he lacks more of mental drive and intangibles.
Yep! Been trying to figure out how and when LeBron passed Kobe. In my view, it never happened. I’d add that he’s not the best SF in history. For me, that is Larry Legend! This “debate” was concocted for clicks and views! Also, GOATS play both ends of the floor!
Lebron's game would not work before the defensive 3 seconds rule. Every team had players bigger and stronger than LeBron guarding the paint. They didn't have 2 of those awards during Wilt and Russell time. Also early in Kareem's career.
The 'Jordan vs Lebron' debate was cleverly created with the specific intention to jump Lebon ahead of a handful of players who were clearly better than him. It's just marketing by Clutch, and effective marketing at that (people bought into it afterall). And yes, I would take Kobe over Lebron. I would also take Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Wilt, Kareem. In fact (and I'm a Celtics fan so this isn't easy), no one had the basketball career of Kareem when you factor in what he did in High School and College.
GOAT List = 1. Michael Jordan H U G E S P A C E 2. the rest... I'll put Kareem here. Magic himself said: "there is Michael Jordan... and then there's the rest of us.".
Mel you seem to have some biases against my team Dallas. Last I checked; - we are top 4 in the western conference - we rank between 6-8 for most points in the paint - we are only ranked 4th in offence - we are ranked 8th in defence ( so something must have changed, I don’t mind your opinion, but when not factual I got to call you up on that) - while at the same time we are ranked 22nd in 3pts attempted ( clearly that’s not how we build our offence) Consequently, you can see that even if we aren’t taking a lot of 3s like your previously stated … our offence is potent
Coach Kidd. Kyrie. The Bigs are athletic and play hard. Dallas will be a tough out. I agree. They are a contender for certain…. In order for them to beat Boston, or Whomever wins the East (Knicks, Cleveland) Dallas will have to have better perimeter defense.. I actually like to watch the Mavs, they match up well with all the top teams.
To be honest I believe Kobe Bryant is #1...cus I been studying near death experiences for 13 years..and I'll never forget a man said he was traveling with an angel and the angel told him to ask him anything he wanted while he was there..he said for some reason sports popped into his mind so he wanted to know who was the best NBA player to ever live..the angel looked at him, smiled and replied " The man whom yu know as Kobe Bean Bryant was the best to ever play"..the man asked "better then Michael Jordan?? how is that possible?"..the angel replied.." Michael Jordan was gifted with advantages Kobe didn't have..Kobe's vertical ability was average and his hand size was below average for his height so much so that he couldn't palm a basketball...but he dedicated his whole life to basketball and he is the player with the most championship rings won with no help"🤔...at first I was like how is that when Kobe had Shaq..but then Yu see all these interviews where Shaq said Kobe wouldn't pass the ball😂..then yu see interviews of MJ saying he only thought one person could beat him 1 on 1 and that's Kobe..not to mention the time the media said he was a ball hog..so he didn't shoot a single shot next game on purpose to prove he was the reason the Lakers were winning..all that made me a believer😂
what you said about rebounding is so true. Because everybody shooting 3's and spaced out, its not contested rebounds at the rim. Centers not in the paint to grab boards as much as before. Which makes rebounding guards like Kidd so impressive.
Yeah man, former players have Kobe in so high regard. I would say there's a bigger gap between Mike and Kobe but I respect their opinion and have them in consideration.
Every star with the passage of time seems to be more appreciated. LeBron will be the 1st so-called super star who depreciates as time goes. People will realize that he isn't even top 40.
There is this ongoing bad habit, to me, to compare basketball icons of different eras. I firmly believe the comparison is unreasonable, unfair, and just doesn't hold water. Fact is, each of those basketball icons were in a class by themselves and they all played on different teams with different management practices.
It’s not a real conversation for those that saw both but as long as klutch sports pushes the narrative to young people that never saw Jordan, there will always be a conversation
Same with Westbrook. When he was going for it. They was talking about how his defense went down. Literally game more open 3s than anyone else. I think it got to 75% open.
Arguably, Kobe had less help than MJ. You can't ignore Kareem. He played 2 years less than LeBron. Only recently, LeBron passed him in games played. LeBron still has played 8 years longer than MJ but still hasn't caught him in 30 point games.
This is my top players at each starting position who were mentality tough, talented, and more clutch than Lebum, Lefraud, Lenogoat, Lebrick, Lewannabeastar James. Kareem, Magic, Jordan, Bird, Duncan.
Man I don't think time is going to be kind to LeBron. We are already seeing honest takes from many vets of the game but after he retires, it's going to be a field day, and we will all be here ready for it.
Most of the ex-NBA players that say negative about LBJ are the players that never won nothing. not even 1 ring. Players that had won a ring always say they are both good but on different level. Jame is good at something for a size that Jorden is not, and Jorden good at somethings that James is not.
I’ve been saying for years LeBron can’t play off the ball, he needs the ball on his. He has trouble creating his own shot, which is why he 3 pointers all the time
100% right. LeBron does not have the mid game. Its not just about scoring, but he cant come off curls, navigate in the half court, he cant put defenders on his back, he doesnt have floaters, and ultimately he cant playmake in these actions.
MJ is 1 and Kobe 1.a, now Lebron isn’t #3. I’d pick Bird or Magic over this guy any day. Then… give me Kareem and Bill Russell. Is Lebron greater than Tim Duncan? Hakeem? Dr. J? Is he? Is he greater than Nikola Jokic?
“Load management” did not exist ithe MJ era. He would have considered that weakness. People took off if their bodies were broken somehow, not because he might get tired. Lebron has never been the greatest. To think that Kobe is forgotten about most likely because the media has tried to create an unreal narrative. Those of us who are old enough to go back to the eighties recognize who is the GOAT 🐐. MJ and Kobe were two way players and loved it. Kobe learned from Mike watching tapes of the Bulls while he was living in Italy. Kobe learned the European and American basketball from the greats. It was amazing to watch them.
Excellent breakdown! Couldn't have been said any better. Lebron's offensive game is elementary. And the whole league has turned into an elementary style of offense. Shaq said a coach in the NBA recently told him they are looking to shoot 50 threes. Shaq asked him how many are you looking to make? The coach said 10-15. So you want to shot jack 50 threes just so you can make 10-15 and you actually think that's basketball? Even the warriors, who was known for high IQ play, are now playing just like the rest of these teams with no high IQ and just three point shot hunting nonstop. I can't believe the NBA has came to this smh
If Phil Jackson’s tried to take the ball out of 1986-87 MJ it would not work because that team was nowhere as worthy as the 89-90 team where Pippen evolved and Horace grant evolve as this was both now in their 3rd season.
Keep the best players defending the corners preserves energy too…..MAIN REASON PEOPLE HATING ON BRON FOR PICKING OUT THE WORST DEFENDER AND ATTACKING HIM
Kobe only got 1 mvp to Lebron 4 & they played in the same era & they really gave it to Kobe bc he ain’t have any let’s be real MJ the 🐐 but the disrespect of Lebron is crazy
Didn’t Michael Jordan also played for a coach who won 11 rings😆Phil Jackson also won another 3 peat without MJ and also won back to back titles without MJ. While LeBron James coaches are still looking for their first ring without LeBron.
Jordan played 11 full seasons with 1 team (Broken foot 85-86, retired 93-94, only played 17 games at the end of 94-95 season). In those 11 seasons he had 10 scoring titles, 9 All Defense 1st team, 6 Rings, and 5 MVPs. Knock the Lebron shit off.
@@baimun 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
10 All NBA First Team … 3 steal titles … 6 FMVP
Bill Russell played 13 FULL seasons. In those 13, he went to TWELVE NBA Finals, won 11 and won 6 MVPs. Jordan played FIVE seasons without Pippen. In those five seasons, Jordan did not have ONE .500 season. NOT ONCE. WHY do you think Jordan can sniff Russell's jock if these are your criteria? Please, don't come back at me with "scoring titles", please. I will throw up.
@@emmanuelenyinwa1443 why not MJ actually won those scoring titles what wrong with that? bill russel won when there were 8 teams in the league . If you want to be like that Wade was a champion and a Final MVP before Lebron went to the heat… you cannot say that about Pippen
Imagine those retirement seasons...4 @ 3/4 seasons...8000 points 2000 rebounds...2000 assist..1000 steals 1000 blocks
Thank you for this video. I'm so disgusted by the disrespect Kobe gets since his passing. None of these dudes would talk like this if the mamba was still alive. RIP my goat
Especially Gilbert Arenas thinking he sound tough af with every sentence he spews about why Kobe not that good or something 🤡🤡
@@anthonyhernandez2111 I swea bruh
@@anthonyhernandez2111 the disrespect these days is astounding. Never heard Jordan era players talk about their predecessors like that ever!!!
This is how I feel about Tim Duncan. Im not even a fan of him or the spurs. Lebron hasn't pass Tim duncan. How could be consider the goat when he quit in the playoffs? Look it all up
@@shahazhakim6919 facts
1 is MJ. 1A is Kobe that’s exactly right
@@shaieresmirnoff 🎯
LeBron can play another 10 years in this Era
People always forget about Wilt & Russell.
I've heard a few former players who say that. Rashad McCants is one, and i think Iman Shumpert is another
@@JamesLeeHall how many chips did Wilt get? Genuine question.
• Quick story about Kobe, way back when he was in high school… a group of Baltimore area all-stars went to play against a Philly team in their prestigious Sonny Hill league all-stars in the summer of 95’… One of them was my younger cousin, and a few other kids who played Division One… etc.
I can remember, my cousin coming back to Bmore and said: “I just played against a kid that could be better than Jordan”
Of course I was like nah, you tripping… now this is before the days of the internet and cell phones… so I just couldn’t believe it.
He was so excited and my cousin, played with some really good players… went to all the camps, (Nike, Five Star, etc) He got angry… and was like MAN IM TELLING YOU THAT KOBE BRYANT WILL BE GREAT !
Lol…
I only took his word for it after speaking with the other guys on his team, and the coaches who all said the same thing…
That this young man, was just on another level.
When you hear this from peers, guys who are really talented in their own right… at that point in his career… you can’t help but reference that when you watched (when I watched) Kobe career progress…
The thing he said that stuck out the most when he raved about Kobe, was how he just didn’t want to beat you, he wanted to dominate and humiliate you~ on both ends of the court.
Kobe played with that same intensity his entire career…
He said he played like he wanted to “break your will to compete”
That’s the difference between MJ and Kobe…
Although it wasn’t tangible like their skills, but it translated to their on court play.
Lebron, NEVER possessed that intangible trait.
Never… is real hoop fans knew early on, we could see the way he shrank in big moments… he was never a “Killer” never had that instinct.
Enjoyed reading this...and totally believe every word of it. You could see it in how Kobe played. He was an assassin from very early on and only got better.
@@wizmanballin8498 YEAH HE WAS LED HISTORY IN BRICKS HIM PLUS SHAQ COMBINED HAVE LESS MVPS THAN 1 JOKIC. MISSED SEVERAL PLAYOFFS WHEN SHAQ LEFT LAKERS TO MIAMI.CHOKES VS PISTONS 35% FG VS ROOKIE PRINCE. BESIDE HIGH USAGE SCORING HAS NO OTHER STATS. WAS BENCH FIRST 3 YEARS WHILE BRON AND GARNETT CARRY TEAMS LITERALLY FROM HIGH SCHOOL BECAME FRANCHISE.
@@zzzvain9710 Carry teams to losses😂😂😂
@@chrishedricks308 CARRY TEAMS TO PLAYOFF IS BETTER THAN TO SIT ON BENCH BEHIND EDDIE JONES AND WITHOUT SHAQ NEVER SEEN A PLAYOFF THEN BLACKMAILED LAKERS TILL JERRY WEST RIGGED TRADE BUST KWAME FOR HOF GASOL. IM GLAD HE PAID WITH GIANNA FOR HIS RIGGED RINGS VS PIPPEN BLAZERS AND SACRAMENTO DIVAC
@@chrishedricks308 CARRY TEAMS TO PLAYOFF IS BETTER THAN TO SIT ON BENCH BEHIND EDDIE JONES AND WITHOUT SHAQ NEVER SEEN A PLAYOFF THEN BLACKMAILED LAKERS TILL JERRY WEST RIGGED TRADE BUST KWAME FOR HOF GASOL. IM GLAD HE PAID WITH GIANNA FOR HIS RIGGED RINGS VS PIPPEN BLAZERS AND SACRAMENTO DIVAC
LeBron is not even on T Mac's level skill wise let alone MJ or Kobe.
@@Dallas322 he still better than all them overall player lebron can do everything not just score dude and he got tha all time most points in nba
@Girlitsdaveo I been watching basketball since 88 and if you have been watching it since that time then you know what you just said is cap.
@ what is cap I’m talking about overall player lebron do everything he damn near top 5 in every stat category dude wtf is you talking about cap
@Girlitsdaveo you are clearly an emotional LeBum stan but if you are a true basketball fan then you know he is nowhere near Kobe let alone in the area of MJ. Please keep your empty stats 😂😂😂
@ you steady talking about Kobe like he had to mimic someone else game to be good he trash for that t Mac ain’t got no rings idk why we talking about him
Don't forget all the assists in this era are inflated. Not only are guys like Lebron, Luka, and Jokic dominating the ball on offense, they're also getting credited for assists when the guy they passed to has to create their own shot off multiple dribbles/pump fakes
Absolutely 💯
They even inflate LeBron’s rebounds. I’ve clearly seen him get credit for rebounds when he didn’t even touch the ball!
People sleep on Kobe too much. When did Lebron just leapfrog past Kobe? I take Kobe all day over Lebron. Kobe actually cared about defense too.
Same here. I'd pick Kobe first every day of the week and twice on Sundays.
@@RemoWilliams1227 BRYANT HAD SUPERTEAM FROM DAY 1. 1998 4 LAKERS PLAYED IN ALLSTAR GAME. MEANWHILE BRON CARRY FRANCHISE DAY 1 NO ALLSTAR HELP WHILE SPURS DALLAS SUNS AND LATER BOSTON ALL HAD 3 OR 4 ALLSTARS. U JUST PROVED BRYANT IS NOBODY CAUSE BRON DECIDED TO REVENGE ON 2000 ERA SUPERTEAMS WHILE KOBRICK WAS WAGON IN SUPERTEAM SINCE DAY 1
@@RemoWilliams1227 WHEN DID JORDAN AND KOBRICK PASSED RUSSELL? HE ALONE HAVE MORE RINGS THAN THEM 2 COMBINED. NOT TO MENTION BEST SHOOTING GUARD EVER SAM JONES 10 RINGS OR HAVLICEK GOAT 8-0 IN FINALS
Kobe sleep on his parents and family.
Kobe wasn't even the best laker for 3 of those chips. If it wasn't for Shaq he'd only have 2 rings.
Mike, Kobe, Hakeem, Kareem and magic. F*** the stats I know what I see
Great fckn list but me personally I can't No One ahead Kareem from an achievement standpoint and Dominance
Tell em bout the gun line boss!!!
MJ Magic Bird Duncan Jabbar!!!
Bird
All I know is I just had a guy tell me LeBron does enough on offense that it doesn’t matter if he plays defense at all because there are 4 more players on the team for defense. You can’t make this junk up.
If that person told the truth then why does he have less rings, makes no one better, & misses the playoffs alot.. yikes!
1a 1b MJ and Kobe and baller knows
Kobe ain’t in MJ league
I feel like everyone with an IQ greater than their shoe size and/or eyes is aware of this...
IF U HAD ANY U WILL SHOW ME 1 WIN VS BIRD. JORDAN IS NOBODY TILL U SHOW ME THAT HE CAN WIN 1 GAME VS BIRD IN PLAYOFF ONE VS ONE
LeBron reminds me of a glorified Karl 'The Mailman' Malone with the media backing him up with over-hype praises. MJ is the GOAT
Give the mailman a dwade and a Chris Bosh.. absolutely unstoppable
Yep. Similar body type, Lebron just played on the wing… and “handled” the ball more ~ I say handle loosely, he had control of the ball more I should say.
Minus a mid range jump shot and post game
@@JIX9ISLER1986 more efficient scorer and lesser turnovers
Except for the media has trashed him since 2012
Lebron isn't even better than Bird to me, he didn't join no super teams, he scored with little athletic ability, had a bag, his trash talk was elite
I'd take Larry Legend 12 out of 10 times over LeBron, from someone who saw him clobber my Bulls team. He seemingly never missed in the clutch.
@alphonzodarty7021 facts
bron couldn't carry BIRD'S LEFT SNEAKER FOR THOSE WHO KNOW!!!
@@VincentKing-hx9sv he couldn't even hold Larry's empty Gatorade cup
This dude so overrated pick find the weakest defender then drive no moves his game is simple and bland mike had more moves in the post then LeBron has period facts💪
That's accurate AF 🤣
@Mandownsports all I can do is tell it like it is not ESPN or NBA tv tell me what I'm looking at 😂😂😂
U hating on him strategizing??? SMH
It's not hate it's showing he has no bag! It's just facts! @@LetChaKnow
@@mikebird5148 That's the new cap when u telling the truth u hating lol
Great segment, oh my Kobe and MJ, so Kobe Bryant emulated MJ, took what he learned from MJ, and had the nerve or audacity to win championships with this formula and many people are not sure why Kobe is in the top five. This tells the entire world how truly great MJ was and his inspiration, his invaluable advice helped solidify another great basketball player. One thing can be like another if both things have similar formats. Both Kobe and MJ were simply coachable, dedicated to their craft, passionate about winning at the highest level, playing within the framework of the team concept, and had the innate ability to adapt to adversity and embrace pressure situations.
They are stat padding for Lebron. AOH just did an accurate breakdown using the exact timeline when Lebron was given credit for rebounds…. that he didn’t even collect. Seriously, he got credit for one when he was at the top of the 3pt line nowhere near the ball which fell to the ground and another Lakers player picked it up…
Another where he tapped it out of bounds and it changed possession ~
He did a breakdown a few weeks ago on assist Lebron was credited with, when the player he passed it to, didn’t dribble straight to the basket, and took multiple (6) dribbles… insane that fans don’t pay attention to this. I watched the Lakers Hawks game and when they said LeBron had a triple double, I was thinking… “I didn’t see him grab that many boards… it was the same game AOH broke down according to the NBA website.
This needs to be brought to light. How many rebounds and assists has LeBron been credited with that he truly didn’t deserve…
SMH
It's hilarious the stats they say lebron achieved
i saw AOH video, i was sick. i say his whole career needs to be reviewed again to verify every single stat. it is beyond disrespectful to the game to be handing any body at any level stats, especially in this modern era with someone calling himself the goat.
The way u break the game down is more accurate than I’ve seen in a while. The game need u bro. I mean that sincerely.
@@cliffhill8895 🫡 salute bro, appreciate that comment 🙏
@@Mandownsports SHOW ME 8-0 IN FINALS BY JORDAN U JUST PROVED HAVLICEK IS 500X BETTER THAN HIM PLUS HE NEVER QUIT OR RETIRED TO LOAD MANAGE LIKE JORBRICK ? SHALL I CALL BIRD TO SWEEP HIM AGAIN? OR NONE 75 MEMBER MONCRIEF
SHOW ME 8-0 IN FINALS BY JORDAN U JUST PROVED HAVLICEK IS 500X BETTER THAN HIM PLUS HE NEVER QUIT OR RETIRED TO LOAD MANAGE LIKE JORBRICK ? SHALL I CALL BIRD TO SWEEP HIM AGAIN? OR NONE 75 MEMBER MONCRIEF
@@zzzvain9710are they 6 times finals mvp
Kobe was able to lock down a prime Kyrie Irving. That automatically brings him into any basketball conversation in my opinion
U MEAN ROOKIE KYRIE? WHY LIE SO MUCH TYPICAL FOR JORDAN AND KOBRICK FANS. SHALL I CALL ROOKIE TYSHAUN TO LOCK HIM ON 30% SWEEP HIM AND TAKE HIS RING AGAIN?
The guy has five rings and people just wanted to put LeBron James ahead of Kobe Bryant before LeBron had even won a ring or even went to Miami...
They thought they could make it stick after he won a couple championships in Miami but not so fast my friend. Kobe might not have as many MVPs because the media didn't like Kobe Bryant... Some of that came from allegations in eagle Colorado and not because of his performance on the basketball court, in other words Kobe should have more regular season MVPs and anyone in the right mind knows that already!
And you're right about what Phil Jackson said to Michael jordan, Jordan actually went to Phil Jackson and asked him if we were going to be running more of a share the ball type of offense and Phil said yes and you're going to have to get used to that... Michael Jordan is the goat not only because of his willingness to be coached and not only his willingness to be a leader on the floor but his willingness to act as an extension of the head coach so everyone is on the same page...
Lebron is a mile away from MJ and Kobe
You mean miles away
@ yes exactly
Well, those of us who aren't delusional and nut hugging know the truth. It's MJ as thee GOAT. Kobe is a distant second. Then there's everyone else.
I still don’t understand how people would pick a player who has a losing record in championship series, who accomplished less despite playing 6 more seasons as the GOAT over a player who is perfect in championship series across the board and who accomplished more in less time
@@suntansuperman26 Participation Trophy Effect. It's the "Me Just Showing Up is Better Than Your Actually Winning" mindset writ large.
Kobe is not a distant second bro. Kobe was disliked by the media and was robbed of several MVP awards.
@Mike1122. yes he is a distant second. And most of the great were robbed of MVPS abs other awards. Including MJ.
@@Mike1122.... Sorry but he is. I saw Jordan play entering his prime, live, and Kobe play. Kobe had IT, but Mike had IT x 10!
MJ/KB ..PERIOD
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Lebron had been on a missión to be the goat with paid media members and social media trollers.
Bro, Kobe almost 3peated twice like Jordan as well. Closest thing we got. One of like only 3 players I was scared to see in the finals or in playoffs in general: Iverson, Kobe and Kidd. They had crazy game takeover potential.
U R RIGHT DERANGED NOW SHOW ME 11 RINGS AND 8PEAT IN A ROW BECAYSE RUSSELL IS GOAT
TIM DONAGHY REF: I RIGGED IN VEGAS EVERY LAKERS RINGS ESPECIALLY VS SACRAMENTO AND THATS WHY KOBRICK PAY TO KARMA WITH HIS GIANNA
Your so low bro? God bless you
If Kobe had 2 threepeats it would really be a great debate
He damn near did have a second three pest. If they didn't get bad luck with Ariza and Bynum's injuries in 08 that could have made the difference. Game 4 they were up 21 points ready to tie the series 2-2 but the depth deficiency wore them down.
Kobe's 09 and 10 runs through the stacked West were probably the most difficult runs in NBA history. That Back to Back championship run holds a lot of weight.
It still is a great debate cause it's not about championships although that double 3 peat hard to overcome. However Kobe is compared to 36 yr second 3 peat Jordan not the "come fly with me" Jordan. No one is compared to that dude.
Great debate vs who? Bron? Lol not Jordan. Kobe fans continue to disappoint me. As soon as Kobe gets any support to put him over Bron (which is a LOSING battle), yall jump out the box trying to make a case he was better than Jordan.
Please stop this nonsense before you get Kobe embarrassed 😂😂
BILL RUSSELL 8PEAT AND 11 RINGS.
@@MrJoshbaby1 BILL RUSSELL 8PEAT AND 11 RINGS.
The skyhook was the best basketball move ..
Turn the sound down on the TV, then watch them play.
😂 so true
MJ IS IN A CLASS ALL BY HIMSELF IF WE REALLY WANNA KEEP IT 💯
Kobe is right there stop it
@kkent4174 naw you stop .I didn't say bean wasn't great. But he'll never be the player mj was in my view
@@bobbymoore2076man you need to cut it out, Kobe did it with far less talent thank MJ post Shaq era
@javorisborden24 lol whatever 🤣 😂 I'm sorry kobe stan and lebum stan, they will never be looked at in the sane realm as mj, cry all you want, it will never happen lol stats prove it , again kobe was a great player, he's the greatest copycat in history of sports. I respect bean, I can't say that I respect lebum though
Kobe did everything Jordan did but while being double teamed. And that's a discussion MJ fans shy away from.
Preach my brother Preach.
It was easily harder on Kobe to win under Phil as Kobe had more limited teammates, tougher competition and zone defenses at their peak.
YEAH SO LIMITED THAT THEY GOT GLEN RICE BEST SHOOTER IN NBA. TO REMIND YOU JORDAN NEED 4 HALL OF FAMERS VERSUS DIVAC AND GLEN RICE. SO IF GLEN WAS LIMITED U JUST PROVED JORDAN IS NOBODY CAUSE HIM + 4 HOF BEAT WEAK CHARLOTTE IN PLAYOFF PRIMER TRADE TO THE LAKERS
People overrate lebrons "prime" (his maimi years) Lebrons game has pretty much been the same since day 1….the only difference is in miami aside from the (juice that is) he had two other prime all stars around him and shooters to take pressure off of HIS deficiencies which is why his STATS INFLATED in Miami- current (along with the softer rules of course)
Put it this way…..lebron got to the finals 8 years in a row playing with WADE, BOSH, IRVING, LOVE thats 4 allstars in there prime and went
3 rings 5 loses
Give Shaq and Kobe another prime allstar to play 3rd fiddle and they easily win like 6 rings
Post Shaq years Kobe took Pau Gasol (who is NOT better or is on par with the 4 all stars lebron played with) took him to 3 finals in a row in 2.5 seasons (remember Kobe only had Pau for 27 games in the 2007-2008 season)
give Kobe a 3rd allstar (any of the names listed above that lebron played with) and they easily 3peat and then probably win 1 or two more afterwards
Conclusion Kobe won more in less time and requires LESS top heavy pieces to win (because kobe can play in a system)
Lebron LOST more in a longer amount of time because he requires MORE top heavy pieces to cover up his offensive deficiencies and 3pt shooters (Lebron cant play in a system because he IS THE SYSTEM he has the ball majority of the time to maximzie his stats)
long diatribe i know but thx for anyone who reads
Lebronamaniacs always overinflate LeBron’s importance in Miami and devalue DWade as if he was injured the entire time. DWade was league scoring leader the season before LeBron’s arrival averaging 29 per game.
What Lebron thought would be easy Finals wins with the superteam in Miami really exposed exactly what you touched on which is his inability to play within a system.
DWade admitted that he had to dial back his game to allow Lebron to thrive after the 2011 loss to the Mavs.
This is why LeBron’s been using a copy and paste format with every team he’s played with since Miami.
Tim was giving dudes the business , ask Magic Johnson his toughest guard … Tim was lighting him up
Basketball is a two-way sport and therefore in order to be considered the GOAT, you have to have played exceptionally well on BOTH sides of the ball. LeBron takesa vacation on defense and therefore cannot be fairly considered in this conversation. To include him in the GOAT conversation is an insult to every great 2-way NBA player who ever laced up their sneakers.
Phil Jackson was a two time NBA champion with the Knicks as a player and played with legends like Willis Reed and Clyde Frazier. So while he didn’t have NBA coaching experience he did have something Mike didn’t at the time: multiple rings. Plus, he played 12 seasons. That’s why it isn’t surprising that Mike listened to him.
Lebron James is strictly a Mass Media creation and the Mass Media didn't acknowledge Kobe because the NBA is only important when it comes to their very own creation!!! Mass Media screwed over Kobe in their efforts to make sure that Lebron could outshine MJ!!! It was and still is a losing effort on behalf of a player who is just above average in his skills!!! He is not on the level of either of them and his behavior for the last six months proves it!!! He destroyed his son's blossoming career because he wanted (not needed) to outdo MJ in something!!! It didn't work!!!
What level are you on?? What did you and your boys accomplish in the NBA?? Move on with life because Jordan can't play another game. Let him enjoy being a granddad.
The biggest difference IMO between MJ/Kobe and Lebron is that the former had the skill set and mentality to take over a game therefore when they say "give me the f-ing ball" all their team mates would listen and trust, while Flop King doesn't! He simply has no such bag and because of that is unsure of his own skills and this has been in full display so many times! And that is why I can't place LeQueen nowhere near other greats the likes of MJ, Kobe, Kareem, Wilt, Magic-Bird duo...no matter whatever others might think, he's not even making my top 10 all time list, and the reason is that if i bet on a team winning i would always go with Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, David Robinson, and that's 4 plus the 6 i already have at the top it makes 10, and i would NEVER kick any of them because of a guy that has a high chance of melting down, bricking under pressure even free throws...NO...not to mention D! It's a shit show that we ended up talking about certain players as being 'two-way' ones when only a couple of decades ago if you don't play D you don't play more than a couple of minutes if at all...
Phil: “Michael I’m gonna take the ball away from you”
MJ: “ok Phil”
& STILL gave them MFrs 30+ppg season, 40ppg in 93 postseason and over 30ppg in the Finals.
Yep lol 😆
Gorgeous breakdown bro, you nailed everything so on the head and articulated it all soooooo well.
🫡 salute, appreciate the listen
Swap LBJ out and put MJ on those teams that LBJ won a championship with, Im very certain that team would have won maybe plus a couple more championships that LBJ lost, and now swap LBJ IN for MJ on those Bulls that won 6 ships…I don’t think the bulls would have won 6…LBJ is definitely not winning that series against Utah.
MJ is 1 Kobe is 1. Kobe is the remix to MJ. Not as athletic but added the 3 ball, more counters, and added more footwork to the midrange. Kobe was my hero growing up so it's hard for me to put anybody over him. They both are complete players though with zero weaknesses. Man Down Sports stay dropping facts.
Yep, you nailed it 👌
Bruh! First time here! Didn’t think I would make it through entire video…but I just let it rock…next thing I know, 24:11 had passed 😂. Your breakdowns and takes sound 1000% knowledgeable and practiced. I don’t know you’re background but I can tell you’re a real student of the game. I just subscribed. 💪🏾
My dawg, thanks for the sub bro!
NO ARGUMENT! It just depends on how you measure greatness. But if you want to do a ACTUAL FACTS comparison, just look at how many times each player made ALL NBA 1st TEAM and ALL NBA DEFENSIVE TEAM IN THE SAME YEARS. That'll give you the best way to tell you how long they dominated at there position against their peers. Jordan has 9, Kobe 8, Labron 5
Bron is marketing not necessarily good there's the difference there over advertising bad products
1. Jordan
2. Dr. J
3. Kobe
I will say this until I am blue in the face but LeBron is not better than Magic according to LeBeon fans logic being they only use one end of the floor for their argument and considering Magic averaged a double-double for his career.
In an era when rebounds and even assists were more difficult to come by.
I watched LeBron get an assist when the player he passed to (AD) took 6 dribbles… insane.
Magic never won a damn thing without Kareem, never had a jump shot, has no defense accolades, and was slower and less athletic.
Skillset wise on the all time level with the desire to win - compete, venomous, and doing anything it takes - MJ, Larry, and Kobe are at the top.
When you also think of leadership to instill the winning mindsets to teammates to create winning culture, Jordan is the clear cut at the top - and I could argue Tim Duncan for the top 2.
LeBron's place on All Time spot is a product of LeBron's ego and bombardment of LeBron stories, mainstream "analysts" opinions, and most importantly, recency bias.
My honest opinion - LeBron doesn't have leadership qualities that MJ, Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, Kobe Bryant, Bill Russell, Tim Duncan, or Kareem possessed. He's a physical specimen built like a tight-end playing basketball to be an "all around player" - still with a few deficiencies in his game, but he lacks more of mental drive and intangibles.
To Me Kobe is ahead of Bron Bron!👍🌹
Yep! Been trying to figure out how and when LeBron passed Kobe. In my view, it never happened. I’d add that he’s not the best SF in history. For me, that is Larry Legend! This “debate” was concocted for clicks and views!
Also, GOATS play both ends of the floor!
MJ>> kobe >> Bird magic Hakeem, Jabbar, Wilt, Russel, Dr J, Then Bron
bron is not in that
Lebron can never be the GOAT if he purposely ducked Kobe.
Lol 🤣
Jordan, Kobe, Chamberlain were scoring champions, 1st team defense, and great interviews.
Lebron's game would not work before the defensive 3 seconds rule. Every team had players bigger and stronger than LeBron guarding the paint. They didn't have 2 of those awards during Wilt and Russell time. Also early in Kareem's career.
That’s all you have to do is watch the game. It’s called the eye test you know just by watching it’s MJ all the way goat
Middle of the floor is Kobe vs the Spurs with Duncan and Robinson
〽️an Down! Nothing but pure fax
The 'Jordan vs Lebron' debate was cleverly created with the specific intention to jump Lebon ahead of a handful of players who were clearly better than him. It's just marketing by Clutch, and effective marketing at that (people bought into it afterall). And yes, I would take Kobe over Lebron. I would also take Magic, Bird, Hakeem, Wilt, Kareem. In fact (and I'm a Celtics fan so this isn't easy), no one had the basketball career of Kareem when you factor in what he did in High School and College.
A cerebral scorer who valued winning basketball, and put as much effort on defense as offense - Unstoppable 🐐
Lebron is Mr. Shortcuts.
GOAT List =
1. Michael Jordan
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2. the rest... I'll put Kareem here.
Magic himself said: "there is Michael Jordan... and then there's the rest of us.".
Mel you seem to have some biases against my team Dallas. Last I checked;
- we are top 4 in the western conference
- we rank between 6-8 for most points in the paint
- we are only ranked 4th in offence
- we are ranked 8th in defence ( so something must have changed, I don’t mind your opinion, but when not factual I got to call you up on that)
- while at the same time we are ranked 22nd in 3pts attempted ( clearly that’s not how we build our offence)
Consequently, you can see that even if we aren’t taking a lot of 3s like your previously stated … our offence is potent
Coach Kidd.
Kyrie.
The Bigs are athletic and play hard.
Dallas will be a tough out. I agree.
They are a contender for certain….
In order for them to beat Boston, or Whomever wins the East (Knicks, Cleveland) Dallas will have to have better perimeter defense..
I actually like to watch the Mavs, they match up well with all the top teams.
To be honest I believe Kobe Bryant is #1...cus I been studying near death experiences for 13 years..and I'll never forget a man said he was traveling with an angel and the angel told him to ask him anything he wanted while he was there..he said for some reason sports popped into his mind so he wanted to know who was the best NBA player to ever live..the angel looked at him, smiled and replied " The man whom yu know as Kobe Bean Bryant was the best to ever play"..the man asked "better then Michael Jordan?? how is that possible?"..the angel replied.." Michael Jordan was gifted with advantages Kobe didn't have..Kobe's vertical ability was average and his hand size was below average for his height so much so that he couldn't palm a basketball...but he dedicated his whole life to basketball and he is the player with the most championship rings won with no help"🤔...at first I was like how is that when Kobe had Shaq..but then Yu see all these interviews where Shaq said Kobe wouldn't pass the ball😂..then yu see interviews of MJ saying he only thought one person could beat him 1 on 1 and that's Kobe..not to mention the time the media said he was a ball hog..so he didn't shoot a single shot next game on purpose to prove he was the reason the Lakers were winning..all that made me a believer😂
Sorry mate, not all "star player" plays to win. Leflop has been playing for stats for years now.
what you said about rebounding is so true. Because everybody shooting 3's and spaced out, its not contested rebounds at the rim. Centers not in the paint to grab boards as much as before. Which makes rebounding guards like Kidd so impressive.
Exactly 💯
Tim Hardaway's laugh sounds like Dave Chappelle as Rick James 😆 🤣 😂
Yeah man, former players have Kobe in so high regard. I would say there's a bigger gap between Mike and Kobe but I respect their opinion and have them in consideration.
Could you imagine LeBron going against 90's Pistons and Knicks??? Oakley and Laimbeer would level him every chance they have.
Saying Bron not even on their level ends any serious debate.... because it sounds idiotic!
MJ,Kobe,Bird,Olajuwon,Magic. Best 5 I’ve ever seen. Barkley is 6
MJ Magic Bird Duncan Jabbar!!!
Kobe, MJ, Magic, Kareem, and Hakeem.
Every star with the passage of time seems to be more appreciated. LeBron will be the 1st so-called super star who depreciates as time goes. People will realize that he isn't even top 40.
Mel, u killed it bro. Great job.
Salute 🫡
There is this ongoing bad habit, to me, to compare basketball icons of different eras. I firmly believe the comparison is unreasonable, unfair, and just doesn't hold water. Fact is, each of those basketball icons were in a class by themselves and they all played on different teams with different management practices.
It’s not a real conversation for those that saw both but as long as klutch sports pushes the narrative to young people that never saw Jordan, there will always be a conversation
Lebitch aint never in real goat 🐐 conversation, hes out of top 10 even behind curry 😮
Another player puts Jordan and Kobe ahead of LeBron. Shocker.
Same with Westbrook. When he was going for it. They was talking about how his defense went down. Literally game more open 3s than anyone else. I think it got to 75% open.
If you are basing the Greatest of All Time on 10 years or less of 70 years of NBA you are clueless.
Arguably, Kobe had less help than MJ. You can't ignore Kareem. He played 2 years less than LeBron. Only recently, LeBron passed him in games played. LeBron still has played 8 years longer than MJ but still hasn't caught him in 30 point games.
This is my top players at each starting position who were mentality tough, talented, and more clutch than Lebum, Lefraud, Lenogoat, Lebrick, Lewannabeastar James. Kareem, Magic, Jordan, Bird, Duncan.
Man I don't think time is going to be kind to LeBron. We are already seeing honest takes from many vets of the game but after he retires, it's going to be a field day, and we will all be here ready for it.
Most of the ex-NBA players that say negative about LBJ are the players that never won nothing. not even 1 ring. Players that had won a ring always say they are both good but on different level. Jame is good at something for a size that Jorden is not, and Jorden good at somethings that James is not.
I’ve been saying for years LeBron can’t play off the ball, he needs the ball on his. He has trouble creating his own shot, which is why he 3 pointers all the time
100% right.
LeBron does not have the mid game. Its not just about scoring, but he cant come off curls, navigate in the half court, he cant put defenders on his back, he doesnt have floaters, and ultimately he cant playmake in these actions.
MJ is 1 and Kobe 1.a, now Lebron isn’t #3. I’d pick Bird or Magic over this guy any day. Then… give me Kareem and Bill Russell. Is Lebron greater than Tim Duncan? Hakeem? Dr. J? Is he? Is he greater than Nikola Jokic?
1: Jordan 2: Kobe
“Load management” did not exist ithe MJ era. He would have considered that weakness. People took off if their bodies were broken somehow, not because he might get tired. Lebron has never been the greatest. To think that Kobe is forgotten about most likely because the media has tried to create an unreal narrative. Those of us who are old enough to go back to the eighties recognize who is the GOAT 🐐. MJ and Kobe were two way players and loved it. Kobe learned from Mike watching tapes of the Bulls while he was living in Italy. Kobe learned the European and American basketball from the greats. It was amazing to watch them.
I’ve been saying this for decades
The NBA vets hate this era bc of the money but it’s only their opinion I watch MJ Kobe & Lebron & it’s MJ Lebron Kobe
Excellent breakdown! Couldn't have been said any better. Lebron's offensive game is elementary. And the whole league has turned into an elementary style of offense. Shaq said a coach in the NBA recently told him they are looking to shoot 50 threes. Shaq asked him how many are you looking to make? The coach said 10-15. So you want to shot jack 50 threes just so you can make 10-15 and you actually think that's basketball? Even the warriors, who was known for high IQ play, are now playing just like the rest of these teams with no high IQ and just three point shot hunting nonstop. I can't believe the NBA has came to this smh
Mel you can add Caitlin to that list, she rarely is crashing or boxing out. Gets a long rebound and is off to the races down court.
Oh you already know she is on the list too
If Phil Jackson’s tried to take the ball out of 1986-87 MJ it would not work because that team was nowhere as worthy as the 89-90 team where Pippen evolved and Horace grant evolve as this was both now in their 3rd season.
only players who have nothing to do with the nba anymore has the guts to say the truth
@@freddyso5466 facts
Imagine JJ saying I'm taking the ball out of your hands to Bron.😂😂😂
@@Sambaboy69 lol 😆
Keep the best players defending the corners preserves energy too…..MAIN REASON PEOPLE HATING ON BRON FOR PICKING OUT THE WORST DEFENDER AND ATTACKING HIM
Every superstar does this, have you ever watched KD? He is constantly hunting out smaller weaker defenders to attack.
I don’t agree with that man down Russell Westbrook is a offensive minded player
Excellent points.
Kobe only got 1 mvp to Lebron 4 & they played in the same era & they really gave it to Kobe bc he ain’t have any let’s be real MJ the 🐐 but the disrespect of Lebron is crazy
Ok so Once Curry LeBron and KD retire I do not want anybody complaining about the NBA 🤣
Didn’t Michael Jordan also played for a coach who won 11 rings😆Phil Jackson also won another 3 peat without MJ and also won back to back titles without MJ. While LeBron James coaches are still looking for their first ring without LeBron.
I have a very hard time putting Kobe ahead of bird and Johnson. Wilt also.
MeBron RARELY gets offensive rebounds
Great video