Mark & Jen's Last Meeting | ER
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- Jen visits Chicago to see Rachel and Mark, and she meets Mark at the diner. Knowing that it may be the last time they meet due to Mark's tumor, he wants to talk about his will, but she doesn't want to accept it will be the last time they see each other.
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From "Orion In The Sky" (Season 8 Episode 18)
First broadcast April 4th, 2002
ER was never the same after Mark died. It seemed to lose something, it was still a great program but it was like the heart and soul had been taken away. He set the tone!
It was still watchable for a couple of years after. What it lost was the good writing.
Where did they get the info to write about? Mark's seizure was handled very well, as well as the mri he had.
Oh my, how much Mark's story made me cry... As strange as it might sound, Mark's story was THE most emotionally challenging event of any TV series I've ever watched. Everything in E.R. was perfect, up to the soundtrack. There are no words to describe what I felt and what I still feel, so I'll stop writing.
Mark talking about setting money aside for Rachel's tuition for college and her wedding breaks my heart, man.
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It paid off, as his daughter excelled - went into Medical School and followed in her dads footsteps at County.
Mark was always my favorite. After his last episode, I couldn't watch the show for awhile. Eventually I started tuning in again from time to time, but I was never again the dedicated weekly watcher I was when Dr. Green was on. The show just felt so empty to me without him.
I love the unsaid, subtle admission from both of them that they still love one another, even it's just because they are the other parent of thier daughter. They both moved on and found a different love with someone else, but they will on some level always love one another, making it hard to say goodbye.
i dont think its unreasonable for people who arent together anymore but have a child together to still care about each other
*even IF it's just because they are the other parent of THEIR daughter*
*Their
@@THETOYFROMTHESCHANNEL And just because you're no longer IN LOVE with someone doesn't mean you don't care for them anymore and no longer love them to an extent.
This one really has me in tears, I loved the way Mark and Jen left this, NO hard feelings nor regrets.
I'm glad they made amends. Their relationship's arc was a reflection of so many marriages these days.
So many couples are so much better as partners in everything but romantic. Jen and Mark were so much better as good friends and co parents and they appreciated each other a lot more after that.
“We weren’t so bad together were we” kills me everytime!! 😭😭😭
"I wouldn't change a thing." 😭😭😭😭😭
Obviously they were, since they got divorced.
It's easy for her to say that now, after the Hell she put him tthrough.
She feels guilt and she's trying to couch it in nostalgic sentimentalism. She knows what she did to Mark was wrong. She made it impossible for him to win any of their arguments. Her career and her life were more important than their life and family together. Mark was doing the best he could, and his obligations as a doctor extended beyond just his family.
It's a cruel trait that basically ruined a lot of families in the 80s and 90s, and we're seeing all the crazy fallout from it now.
But Mark, being the good man he is, let her off the hook.
And then she goes to repeat the same mistake, he's trying to talk to her about something important, and basically telling her he isn't going to live long enough, and she doesn't want to hear it. Same mistake, literally five seconds after trying to build that bridge back. Cruel.
Jen is a self absorbed liar.
This scene made me cry so hard!! Especially the way Mark was saying July works fine. He knew he wouldn't make it that long, but he did not want to say it. And Jen rushing out avoiding talking about the will. She knew it was their last time together but she did not want to admit it. Thats why she was rushing out. "We're not talking about this, not now." She was saying i can't do this, its too hard to say good bye.
I find her reaction moving too. There was still some love there, regardless of how their marriage ended up.
@Samuel Astic Your English is fine, hon, thanks for YOUR comment.
The whole Mark's death sequence is heartbreaking, from the moment he knows it's back to his last meeting with Jen, to that girl who became his last patient, then the letter, and the Hawaii episode. I can't not cry for real every time I rewatch it.
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Seeing this scene just helps you realize that if you "know" it's the last time you'll probably see someone....tell them how you feel. Even if you're crying when you do it. Don't live in denial...cause that hurts even more later.
I was wrapped up in ER from the pilot episode. My favorite characters/actors were, of course, the originals. As in real life, people came and went from County General. I liked them all.
But there never was another Mark Greene.
I would say after Anthony Edwards left John Carter/Noah Wylie was the heart of the ER.
“You set the tone, Carter.”
But, Dr. Greene’s name would come up, or some issue with a patient would make me think of him.
Carter keeping his stethoscope, Rachel coming to County for medical school and training were two perfect touches that made sure we’d never forget him.
"I don't know if there'll be another time" . Still I cry when I see this phrase
1:43 The smile of Dr. Greene when he heard the words of Jen makes this scene perfect. Awesome writing.
What a tremendous actor is Anthony Edwards!
I've always loved Mark's character. My absolute favorite, always.
Can someone explain to me how it's possible to watch a TV series even after 20 years, and be able to cry like it's the first time you see it?
Grey's Anatomy can go on for another 10 years, but it'll never live up to it.
Completely agree, I was hooked.on ER within the first ten minutes, I had to force myself to complete the full first episode of Greys Anatomy and i still was not interested! ER was one of the best TV programmes ever, in my humble opinion, watching it twenty years on would certainly be enjoyable!
GA started off well, but should have stopped after 5 seasons or so. The storylines went downhill hard.
Now it’s just forced gay propaganda (no hate) but 90% of all patients and side characters are gay now.
I think it depends on what you grew up with. If you grew up with ER, then Grey's Anatomy will never live up to it, but if you grew up with Grey's Anatomy, then it's the opposite. At least, that's how it worked with me. I loved ER.
But I will say that ER should not have lasted 15 seasons. I know in real life, people come and go, but I missed the cast from the earlier seasons. I also felt that the later seasons had way too much of certain characters' personal lives. It's not like personal lives weren't a focus before, but the show felt more balanced in the earlier seasons.
SAME!! Let´s face it: Grey´s Anatomy has hollow figures, it´s all about fucking!!! And this is SO annoying!!! Everytime I see the beginning (when they show all of the actor´s names) and I see that couple making up on the hospital stretcher rubbing their feet against each other it makes me wanna throw up. Eeewww!!
agreed, how can it stay so relevant after 20 yrs (if not more) - humanity at its fullest and saddest
Such a heart-wrenching scene .... and no matter how many times you watch it , it still has tremendous impact. That's the mark of a superbly written/directed/acted scene.
Mark was not a perfect human, and his first marriage was messy and didn’t end well. But you never know what life will throw at you. Make amends when you can
Amen to that!
No one is perfect. We make the best with what we have...
It didn’t help that Jen had an affair.
@@Gemmarose9012 Definitely not, but neither one of them was going to bend their career to the detriment of the other, so in the end, it was going to happen anyways.
This is where I go when things are overwhelming. These videos seem so personal to me.
It's like therapy for my soul. A reminder that nothing lasts and everything will change for every last one of us.
I find that constant reminder gnawing at the back of my brain.
Anyone who's buried a loved one has that feeling.
First my brother then my father.Now my mother.
I’m so sorry for your losses😔 Sending you thoughts of calm and kindness for your heart and soul. May Your Loved Ones Rest In Peace 🕊️🙏🏽
Yes!!
I always liked this scene, such a mature ending for this relationship
Andrew Fessick Jen had sort of devolved into ‘the mean ex-wife’ over the course of the series, I’m glad they included this scene to redeem her and give her and Mark closure.
My best friend passed away from Cancer two years ago. We were best friends in college and reconnected in hour late 30's. I visited him and we went to see Guns N Roses in Toronto. I live on the east coast. We were speaking on the phone after I new he was terminal and didn't have long. I told him, I would be flying into see him the next week. I wanted to say good by to him in persons and tell him I loved him like a brother, but he died the day I got in town before I got there. He went downhill so quickly. I wish I could have spoke with him. This scene made me think of him.
I'm so sorry for your loss.
Sorry for your loss
You're a great best friend. Thank you for sharing.
I'm so sorry.
I am so sorry....
The music makes this scene. Who agrees?
Totally agree.
Yelp it warms my heart ❤️
It's a nice addition, but not what "makes this scene."
Yes, it’s extremely difficult to process losing your dad. I just lost mine over a month ago.
Lost mine 5 years ago to cancer and it still feels like yesterday.
"She is my daughter I want to make sure she will be take care..." And I am crying again
I have always loved Anthony Edwards (Dr. Mark Greene). He cared so much about treating his patients.
He had such innocence true and loyal. I didn't like Jen or Corday. Typical cold fish for themselves
I just watched last in Hawaii with him in a dream walking in ER. With balloons and Over the Rainbow playing in the background. I have been bawling ever since and it is over an hour ago. This cry is a good thing because my son died in January/20 at 42..and now I can let my feelings out. Cry hard, cry long let the tears flow!!!
I'm so sorry for the loss of your son.
Mark deserved so much better!
I remember my mom recounting when her sister succumbed to her cancer. My grandfather was at work and he rushed home when he found out. At this point, the paramedics were just arriving and the cops were in the house. My grandfather came rushing in and one of the cops stops him from entering, he was demanding to be let in so he can go to his daughter. The officer was not budging and threatened to handcuff him. They had the cuffs ready. Her partner (who was a family friend) saw what was going on and put a stop to it right away. Once the officer let my grandfather go, no words of anger or annoyance were spoke, he just ran up the stairs to my aunts room. My mother told me that she never heard my grandfather make the cries he did before or after that.
I dread the day when I have to bury my parents, but I can’t imagine a day or the feelings on what it would feel like to have to bury your child, even if they are an adult.
The sad thing about my aunt was that my mother asked her to be her maid of honor at her wedding, and my aunt knew she wouldn’t make it and told my mom to pick her other sister. But ask my mom if she could name her first daughter, Kathryn, because if my aunt would’ve had kids; that was the name she loved the most. So my mom named my sister, Kathryn Mary.
I never got to meet my Aunt Mary Ann, but from what I was told and heard from stories, she was the a compassionate and caring person, that had absolutely no malice in her heart.
I will never understand death..none of us will...even though it's as natural as birth.
It is such a shame that it takes something like a fatal diagnosis for estranged people to finally come together. It's beautiful but oh so sad.................
This episode was so much sadder than the episode of his death in my opinion. This episode was where he said good-bye to almost everything he had done.
This was the best drama of all time
It reminds me of the last time I saw my sister. I thanked her for everything she did for me but I thought I had one more time with her. I didn't. I am glad i said what I needed to say but I am so sad I didn't get a chance to see her one last time. 😪
Mark was a great man
There is something about Anthony Edwards I just love.
At the beginning of this ER. clip his face to me speaks volumes.
I watched all of ER and have seen him on other shows, talk shows etc. He has a great sense of humor and a great human being.
We need more like Anthony Edwards
In this scene you can tell how Jen struggled with the guilt of leaving him
She should!!!!
You can see it in Jen’s eyes that she felt so bad for what she did to mark. She felt so guilty
She was pretty selfish throughout the series. But it was her obvious that she still cared about Mark.
I found some people just cant say goodbye. And sometimes you love someone so much you cant say it or face it. Other people i found in my own life i began to pray that God would take them so they didnt suffer anymore.
He was huge part of ER terrific acting and all the major stars were well cast
Punctuation is your friend.
That scene in ER where they show all the name tag got me in the feels.
Happy birthday dr mark from italian boy live in rome and I m fan of er
I watched this series from the start and continue to watch it on POP TV ! I love this show! I cried at the moment he died and cried when other characters passed away on the ENTIRE SHOW FROM SEASON 1 to 15 and beyond
Series like this are not made anymore. Never again.
THESE DAMN ONIONS AGAIN! 😢😭
I thought they really did a good job at showing the strains an intern has to go through with a young family at home. I'm glad they gave them a chance at some closure.
I Absolutely LoVed ER. I had the honor of Being Christine, (Christie) Harnos', who played Jennifer Green, Stunt Double in another television series--- High Sierra Search & Rescue. She and I became good friends during this period, however, lost touch after the series ended. Since then, I attempted to contact her, to no avail. It was a fun period for the both of us, the 90s. I only wish we had remained close. I understand Christie went on hiatus from television to finish her degree in child development at a college here in Northern California. If you get the chance, watch High Sierra Search & Rescue, Episode "Lilith", Part 1 And 2. Thank you for giving us your support. 👋💗 Lisa😊
I wish they didn't kill of this character Would love to see them back in the final season
He did have the flashback cameo
@@williamrosmer8381 I know I saw that episode Not the same I wonder if Anthony Edwards Dr Greene. Wrote his way out of the series. I guess Rocket Ramono wrote the Helicopter seen where he died
@@scottbrown7497 i don't think Romano's actor would have set that up for himself
The actor wanted to leave the show. And it's kill OFF this character, and would love to HAVE SEEN HIM back.
@@scottbrown7497 The actors don't write their last scenes. That's the job of the writers.
Mark was so important to this show.. Anthony Edwards can be proud of his work..I am sure Clooney thought he was the the showsdraw...not even close..
Jen could play a vulcan.
"We made choices, Jen."
Yeah. She chose to be an adulteress.
Jen was always selfish. Even when a dying man desperately needed to talk, she had to bail. It's what she does. She's a runner, not a sticker. It's about her character, or lack thereof.
Mark is just gracious.
I don't know which is sadder, Mark's Funeral or Carter cleaning out Mark's locker.
No need to compare. There are many sad scenes regarding Mark's death.
Jen is beautiful
So interesting. I was her stunt double in another television series---High Sierra Search & Rescue. It was on the same network as ER, NBC, but aired at 8:00 pm. It Starred Robert Conrad and Dee Wallace. Christie Harnos was a wonderful, yet quiet person. We had become good friends during the series. I was Just looking at her picture and thinking, Hm, do we really look That much alike?
And I guess we did.... Enough so that I could double for her. Honestly? I really didn't see it at the time, but now I do see the resemblance. Next time I chat with her, I'll give her your compliment. Take Care, Lisa 👋😊
“I’ll see you in St. Louis.........”
Can you please do the scene where Romano operates on his dog?
😍😍
Edited.. But i want to laugh😂😂at the same time because Romano is such a jerk that it's a bit shocking that he had more passion for his canine than his own fellow human..😂😂😂
I once worked for an employer like this, veterinarian, very smart intelligent one hell of a surgeon ER doctor but his bedside manner sucked and he treated his employees just like Romano does.
But when it came to the patients he was soft as a teddy bear.🐻🐻
😂😂😂
“Robert, this is a dog.” “Correction, Lizzie, this is MY dog.”
No
I always felt they should've included a shot of Jen after the car pulled away really upset, in tears etc. They went heavy with the denial route to end this scene but leaving out that last shot made her look a little cold imo and she wasn't.
I mean, Jen was a character i never liked in those early seasons and she was actually very cold and hard hearted to Mark as the marriage fell apart. But all of that, i always felt, was a very realistic depiction of a marriage failing which a lot of people have gone through. Most times neither party are horrible people and that is the case with Mark & Jen. As he said they just made choices.
It was never showed how hard the marriage breakup would've been for Jen when in reality it would've been. They never explicitly showed that she was so upset in the diner she could only go into denial mode and get out of there. A final shot in the car as it was driving away would've done that and i think her character actually deserved it. It would've been both fitting and realistic.
_"I always felt they should've included a shot of Jen after the car pulled away really upset, in tears etc. They went heavy with the denial route to end this scene but leaving out that last shot made her look a little cold IMO and she wasn't."_ It may or may not have been the episode director's intention, but THIS is where its best left to our (the audience's) imagination. Perhaps Jen was sobbing as the car pulled away.
For many years it made me wonder had Mark still remained single to the end and Jen (IIRC she had a post-divorce relationship that collapsed) would been together for Mark's final days/weeks of his life in Hawaii. Rachel was going to be there with her father regardless so it would have made sense if Jen would also be there. If you remember the scene of Corday arriving to Mark's bed to discover he had passed away and kissed his hand - just replace Corday with Jen there. That would have shown (at least to me) that she did indeed love Mark despite their estrangement.
They went heavy with the denial route, but you could see it was more avoidance. She knew when Mark did not push for Rachel to stay through the summer that he would not make it to July. And you could see her holding back tears.
That was sad he tried to talk to her about Rachael
Anthony Edwards was great on ER.
If I could have written in, Mark goes to Hawaii with Rachel, Rachel gradually comes around and matures, Elizabeth visits often and when Alex was ready to leave the show, they reconcile, she and Ella move to Hawaii. I like happy endings. It seems Mark always got the "scars", while Doug sailed through his troubles (for example, Mark would have probably been charged in the death of the little boy Doug helped his Mother euthanize) but then that is life.
I don't like your version. We all like happy endings, but real life isn't like that.
Much like the real world the Doug Ross's who should get some sort of repercussion for their actions don't.
From Rachel’s Lion King party to this, so sad:(
What's the worst feeling: not knowing you saw a person for the last time until after they are gone or knowing it's the last time before they are gone?
Today mark 61 years
ER lost characters every season, like a hemorrhage. The new cast never could replace or fill the void and the show eventually felt so different.
3.22 susan Lewis
5.22 Doug Ross
6.6 Jeanie boulet
6.22 carol Hathaway
8.11 Peter Benton
8.21 mark Greene
10.3 takata and cecile (nurses)
10.8 robert romano
11.3 Elizabeth Corday
11.10 Chen
11.22 John Carter
12.1 susan Lewis
12.22 Jerry (ER coordinator)
13.13 Kerry Weaver
Well that's just sad
Rachel wouldn't have to be split between two parents if you had thought of her first Jen. I never liked Jen, she was so selfish. It was always about her...
Exactly! I thought the exact same thing, especially because of her reasons. In Season 1 she gets her law license and she was acting like she was going to make partner at a law firm from the get-go? Also did Milwaukee hold all the law offices in the US? Weren't there any law offices in Chicago? No because she got luck clerking for a judge(whom more than likely picked her more for her looks than her brains and talents, I mean how else can you explain making a lady work miles away from her family, when there are judges and law offices near her city?) And then get mad and cheat on your husband because he didn't want to start over and give up everything he worked for years and provided for you and your daughter. Yeah Jen was one of the ultimate witches on the show, beat only by Karla(Benton's ex and Reese's mother)
@@greatprofessorbias414 ~ 👍Agreed. Mark was too nice of a man to have such a selfish woman as Jen for his wife...
It's a TV show, for crying out loud.
@@l.a.3479 ~ And this is a simple discussion. What do you care?
can this channel stop making me cry every damn time?
The fault doesn't lie with the channel. You're choosing to watch it.
She is literally running away from the truth here. That Mark knows, and has accepted he is going to die soon and there isn't anything that can change that.
Have a little compassion for her. She's not where Mark is as far as acceptance of truth/reality. Hopefully, she will get there, but she needs some time to let the reality sink in and to process her emotions and pain.
Damn season 8! Not gonna lie my allergies bothered me when Mark died.
You just did lie. And watch your language.
Seeing her is like hearing nails on a chalkboard. Bar none, the most annoying character of the entire series.
I never liked Jen either. Mark deserved so much better. Nor did I care for the 2nd wife. Both were cold, and seem to keep their relationships at arm's length.
She couldn't even wait to get away from him here, disgusting. I felt so bad for Mark in this scene...
@@Deborahtunes you’re clearly misinterpreting the meaning with her leaving so hastily to the airport due to your blind hate for the character.
She didn’t want to come to terms and accept that Mark was gonna die. So him bringing up all these things he wanted to leave for Rachel was destroying her because deep down, despite the fighting and the eventual divorce, they still had love for one another. She was trying to get away because she couldn’t accept it. That’s why she said she’ll see him in July in St. Louis even though she knew damn well he wasn’t going to make it that long.
People grieve in different ways.
@@therealmistahjay ~ She screwed Mark over in several ways. I could care less how she grieves. Jen's character was a cold fish...
@@Deborahtunes It's just a TV show.
@@l.a.3479 ~ And this is just a discussion...
Mark Is the one and only star in er.
Was that Gina Girshon that played Jen ,?? XD
Christine Harnos
@@udfan07 too bad she retired from acting
No
No. It was Christine Harnos. I know because I was her stund double in another television series---High Sierra Search & Rescue. It Also aired on NBC, but was on at 8:00 pm. 👍😊
Jen was the worst person on the show.
Mark and Jen both made mistakes, but, Jen cheated on him with a guy from work, then, married him, and dumped Rachel on Mark because she was in the way and she couldn't handle her.
Carter is a douche at times. As was Benson.
@@tolliver15 - Yep, this. The worst thing you can say about Mark in the first season is that he's way too aloof and driven by his work to an unreasonable degree... which could be said about most medical professionals. His wife knew this, complained because he was working long hours (and was even trying to compromise so that she could take her "dream job" several counties over), and cheated on him with her co-worker, which was foreshadowed from the first third of S1.
And it gets even worse when she tries to blame him for her fuckup. It may be based on real characters or situations, but I always hated her for what she did.
TG she didn’t hook up with Doug Ross
Ehh. She definitely did Mark dirty with the affair but Mark wasn't perfect in their marriage either. At the end of the day both of them put their careers ahead of each other and drifted apart. Mark definitely wanted to save their marriage but he was overly reliant on Jen to put aside her career aspirations to make it work since his career offered much less work/life balance. Honestly Jen just appeared worse because we all loved Mark because of how professional and dedicated he was as a Doctor and mentor to his peers. He was the conscience of the show. Had Jen been with a wildcard like Doug Ross, I don't think the perception of her would have been as negative.
Damn. I didn't like Corday and now I didn't like Jen either. They both seemed like cold people. Did Mark have bad taste in women?
Let’s not put it all on the ladies. Mark wasn’t perfect himself..
His relationship with Jen went south the moment he accepted the Attending position without discussing it with her and he had mentioned it passive aggressively (w/ regret) throughout the seasons that he chose the job over his family.
Mistah Jay That’s why he warned Kerry not to let her work become her life.
Except Susan!!
Just because YOU didn't like them doesn't mean MARK had bad taste.
Jen is the only character that I never liked in this show.
Wow she has really bad skin!
She wasn’t a good wife for Mark. Yes Marks work was important to him but she couldn’t sacrifice and remain married to him while letting him do what he loved.
And why was his career as a doctor so much more important than her career as a lawyer? Exactly what sacrifices was he willing to make for her? Why couldn't HE let HER do what she loved? Why do you think it should have always just been about him? Sexist much?
@@carrietremble4497 I’ll repeat what I said. “ She wasn’t a good wife for Mark”. She was selfish and wouldn’t make sacrifices for her husband and ended up cheating on him. Nowhere in my comment did I say his career was more important than hers. You made that sexist assumption not me. This is a fictional story and in it her character Jen was horrible and she didn’t support Marks career. This was a plot in a tv series you idiot. You tried to turn it into a “ got you “ narrative. Calm down.
I lost not only my best friend, my older brother and was left by my 1st wife (when I had a stroke) in less than one year and I can say that I am lucky that I was in my 30s when this happened. It tore a hole in me that is just now starting to heal thanks to my second wife.