Only recently found this channel but I love your videos. My journey into faith has been difficult so far but convincing the mind through logic that god exists has been my first step into Christianity and finding Christ, and your videos have been instrumental in that. My entire life ive always been told that you either believe in Science or Religion when all modern science comes from Christians who believed that a Logical God made a Logical world that they could then study. God Bless!
Christians who believed God made the world orderly invented science. The more we learn from science, the more it points us back to God. It’s an example of the scientific method at work, from hypothesis, through testing, to validation. As someone who had a career in science and engineering, this has removed stumbling blocks to my faith.
@@Theo_Skeptomai God isn't something to be observed (with human eyes and minds) its like saying you cant observe gravity: something fell yes but you can't observe the force that made it fall. The Big bang is a similar force that we cant observe but because the universe expands outwards we know there had to be a beginning (oversimplified the theory but you get the point). Similar to how a massive planet can enact a force like gravity we must assume that something INSANELY powerful was the cause of the current universe that we live in.
I became an atheist when I convinced myself that I could not trust reason because it was the end product of an unguided random process. That is actually just one side of the history. I was also eager to live by my own and full of pride. Rejecting God and rejecting the use of reason for any non-utilitarian end was the same thing to me. It took me 18 years to realize it was a decision, not a conclusion, drove by pride justified by a philosophy that is nihilistic in its core. I am glad, thankful and surprised about how patient and forgiving God really is.
If it makes you happy then I'm glad you are religious, it will have done exactly what religions are supposed to do, not fear death. If only religion didn't make people talk and act like fools, there is absolutely nothing to say that any of it is true but religious people all act as if it is.
@@Shytot-1 You obviously haven't yet found the "truth" that others may have. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist or can't be found. It's suspicious that you haven't read the Bible or have genuinely sought out this truth for yourself, but I don't want to assume. It is a process and understanding doesn't happen overnight. I'm still working on it myself and like you, used to think religion was a coping mechanism to deal with death. Now I see it's for coping with life and it's mystery with respect to the many questions that remain unanswered. I wish you the best of luck on your journey friend.
@@titanmongoloid8164 It's been estimated that there are around 8.7 million species of plants, insects and animals in existence today. However, only around 1.2 million species have been identified and described so far. Every one of them is going to die and that will be the end, except for us, why us? what is so special about us? we are the only species that can imagine a heaven and a god, so for some indoctrinated or gullible people, an imagined heaven and a god exists. I'm just a dumb atheist and I can see this, why can't people a lot smarter than me see it?
If human thoughts are based on random access of the atom, I have no reason to believe anything said by anyone, including myself. God gave each human a mind so that we can receive infomations, think and make decisions, all in a split of a second. Random accessment of the atoms of the brain can never do what a mind can.
Lennox makes me feel like im a kid sitting at the foot of a rocking chair listening to his grandpa explain the wonders of the world. I could listen to him speak every single day for the rest of my life and it still wouldn’t be enough.
@@alwilson3204 Lennox’s sole field of expertise is the theory of infinite soluble groups- a topic on which, along with the rest of mathematics, I’ve yet to hear him utter a syllable. I’ve had years of drivel about Jesus, pompous tripe about Christianity being responsible for science and howling lies about evolution…..and not a syllable about mathematics.
@@mcmanustony A howling lie about evolution is that there existed or exists an inter-species. There is not a shred of evidence that macro-evolution is true. None, zip, nada. Micro-evolution is true, but that cannot be used as evidence for macro-evolution, which has never been observed. Why are you militant Atheists always subscribed to Atheist channels? Are you like a cult member? Atheism is a very dumb cult religion. Seriously, are you unable to defend your deluded cult religion w/o your other cult members to listen to for arguments? I find you as deeply brainwashed as the Amish.
I have to say, that I love that you don't interrupt the conversation in the middle of the video, but that you let us listen to the speaker fully and then you give us your thoughts afterwards. The words be slow to speak and quick to listen come to mind. And you have got it right!
I heard this argument a few months ago when I was an athiest. One morning I was steps away from getting in my car -replaying the argument in my mind- thinking 'how can I trust my thoughts if I am a random formation of molecules and electrical firings' I opened my car door a second later, start the car and the first thing that I hear on the radio is a woman singing 'trust what your thinking...' I am no longer an athiest (not for this reason alone mind you)
How often do you think "how can I trust my thoughts if I am a random formation of molecules and electrical firings" and then the radio *does not* have a woman singing "trust what you are thinking?"
WOW! Thank you for sharing this! Jesus is LORD! He is “the image of the invisible God”. We can actually have relationship with our creator because Jesus has atoned for sin and made us clean and suitable for our Holy & Wonderful creator! So much Joy in front of you brother! Let me know any way I can help on this journey! 🙏❤️
Jesus is LOVE! I felt his love 49 days after I found Him. (2 days ago) He pushed infinite love into me during my evening prayer/meditation and I knew that wasnt even 1/10 of what He is capable of. Scripture says He is love beyond knowledge. I felt it as infinite or the essence of love, never felt anything like it. I wept for a good 15 minutes. @@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom
This is exactly what turned me on to Dr Chuck Missler. The first time I seen one of his videos I was hooked. It was incredible to me that someone with such a diverse and brilliant background was using both science and mathematics to prove that both the Bible and our God are very much real!
@@maxhagenauer24It is statistically impossible for nothing to create something through random chance processes. And Evolution certainly cannot create the information of DNA or consciousness of creatures.
@@statesman6379Do you believe in a god who came form nothing and created everything out of nothing? Then you are also believing something came from nothing.
@maxhagenauer24 God is not just another being in the universe. God, by definition, is the uncaused, non-contingent source of being. Any being that "came from" anywhere, anything, or any time is not God but is merely another finite being.
@@jimmyintheswamp It doesn't matter if he is part of the universe or not. He is something that came from nothing. Why cant I apply that same logic to the universe and say the universe is the uncaused first cause? How do you know its this outside of the universe being?
yes it must be nice to have someone cover up the immorality of god for you, a nice old fat man with a soothing voice saying that god loves all those poor people while watching helplessly burning alive, oh if on;ly god could save them! if only god were all powerful and forgiving.
It breaks my heart to see so many people taken in by such nonsense, they obviously need to believe because they are so afraid of dying, I don't know why, because dying is the easiest thing we will ever do, there's no darkness, there is nothing to fear because there is nothing there to fear, there are no memories because where we store our memories will be gone, we will be gone just like every other living thing on the planet, we will be no more and we won't even know it, it will be exactly like it was before we were born, do you remember? no of course you don't because you didn't exist.
I never walk away from Mr. Lennox without a whole and new set of reasons to believe the things we see as being created. This is not a series of mistakes; this we see is an unfolding of a creative energy that reaches so far beyond our understanding that some will believe it while others will be so daunted by it all from the mystery acceptance view that they will be forced to doubt it. In a sense, no one is wrong, but no one is done yet. Even if made so by the immense depth of the truth of it all there is no other way to see it. We are all on the same journey and we are all approaching the same truth. Some of us accept and swim on and others do not accept and still they too swim on. There’s a tremendous beauty in it all and the power of creation must be genius without limits. God is truly great; or the mistakes that lead us to now are truly great. One way or another, God will be found. It’s part of the design.
I was worried about losing my faith when I started to study biology and chemistry at college. However, the deeper I got in the science, the stronger my faith was.
I did not excel in math but was obsessed with 2 things by the time I was a teenager; Baseball (Which I eventually player professionally) and Albert Einstien. In college I came to the thought that "God must be the great mathematician!" Later I was baffled when I realized Newton somehow created calculus (Leibniz as well). There must be a conscious "Something" that allows man to create formulas and symbols written on paper and blackboard walls that are of ultimate "Truth." I always believed the atheist as well as the believers' problem or roadblock is we have all created "God" in our image but not realize we are created to be creators in the image of a "mind" we have named and wrapped in flesh encasing bones and blood. Thank you Daily Dose for introducing me to the brilliance of John Lennox!!!
Newton was a freemason and well paid to invent gravity and therefore remove the firmament and gods word from peoples thoughts,we live under gods firmament,water above as below,gravity is density reinvented,the devil works in many ways,believe the word of god and no one else we have been lied to for many generation,GOD BLESS YOU i mean you no harm
First thank you for the work, second thank you for not interrupting the video with useless words and letting us try and understand the message on our own. Third thank you for not squeezing in a break in the video telling us to like and sub. Fourth, thank you for breaking it down at the end of the video because this was hard understand lol these videos are perfect. God bless you
@@TheTruthKiwi He never claims that. He claims that something cannot created itself. We know the universe had a beginning based on our current knowledge. If it had a beginning, then whatever created it had to exist outside of it - since a thing cannot create itself. So I don't think this is God of the gaps argument. Speaking of which there is plenty of "science of the gaps" argument - where some claim that "Yes science can't explain everything, but in TIME it will eventually". That's an argument based on faith that everything is explainable by science.
I can simply binge watch Prof Lennox for hours on end (especially with Eric Metaxas).Thank you Prof for the pearls of wisdom which you bring to us in such a humble way, yet with the authority of a brilliant ‘mind’!
He's an old man trying to teach you magic tricks at a trick shop. He just so happens to believe in the same god that his parents and their parents believed in. What are the odds?
@@jakedubs Don’t be afraid. God loves you and wants you to be with him in perfection for all eternity. It’s not a hoax. Admit to God you are a sinner. Believe that Jesus is God’s son. Confess your faith in Jesus as Savior and Lord. Live forevermore.
@@jakedubs Back up your accusations. There’s no old man atheist? Lol. What “magic tricks” is he trying to teach us??. He explains his belief in great detail, he doesn’t simply repeat what he’s been told…and clearly you haven’t taken the time to listen to his philosophy, you’ve already decided it doesn’t fit your narrative, so you won’t listen. You could just as easily say that an atheist, whose parents were atheist is doing exactly what you accused him of. Yeah, it’s quite clear he would have zero problem with it. The ridiculous double standards, the inability to debate morality, purpose, or design. Such are the ways of atheists. At least Hitchens had the honesty to admit that he lost the debate to John Lennox, and was gracious enough to be honest about it. But I’m sure you’re more brilliant than both of them, right?? Lolololol
@@duncanbryson1167 We were all once lost and without hope. We thought salvation through Jesus was too good to be true. Then we had a thought of “What if it is all true and I miss it? God, are you really there and love me and want me to be with you in eternal life forever?” So I surrendered my heart and mind to God, and began reading the Bible in the book of John. Wow! It’s your choice. I made mine 54 years ago and have never regretted it. Best wishes to you.
I'm not a mathematically inclined person but one of the things that blows me away is how methodical and meticulous God is in the timing of his planning. When you get to looking it's all with the highest detail of precision. And everything is made to work on that base.
Are babies born with cancer and deformities methodical and meticulous planning by god? It seems like we exist in a natural universe, not a magical one. 😉
But it doesn't matter God is all knowing and all powerful if he is then the Universe doesn't have to make any sense to Humans it has to do as God commands
@leebennett1821 If this god is all knowing and all powerful, then that God is a lunatic. Wars, famine, disease, brain eating pestilence, eye eating creatures, floods, gales, landslides, cancer in children, murders, murderers, grapists.. That god, if it exists... made it all
This channel is so important. Everyone has their journey to Christ, but this channel is perfect for intellectual and logical minds. There are so many good videos.
Truly a Miracle You had an issue Praid for betterment And searched for a solution You finding the "solution" (AFTER SEARCHING YOURSELF) It must have been God😂 Like those people that see a doctor and take the medicine thank god Sheer stupidity
Lennox is such a boss, dude can do a debate against Hitchens on the spot with no pre preparation. The deeper you dig, the more of God is revealed. Thanks for spreading this great discussion with more people. We need to continue showing that God is the best explanation as the foundation to all of contingent reality
I believe anyone could win an unprepared debate with a dead man, his statements are purely faith, and good for him, but faithers have been undercutting ‘atheists’ forever, and continues to spur the horrible atrocities committed around the world
Hey man, just wanted to thank you for this channel and for your mission. I’ve always been fascinated by apologetics and the age old debate. As a Christian, and long time CS Lewis fanboy, I love the content. Keep up the good work. As Lewis says in Weight of Glory, “Good philosophy and a cool intellect must be sought after if for no other reason than that bad philosophy exists”
1 John 1 kJV 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Prof. John Lennox is the bubbly, genius grandpa we've never had. I adore him, I could listen to him for hours! The way he speaks is so eloquent, so grounded, so brilliant. I pray to God that He gives him perfect health and a lot of love.
I find Lennox to be an annoying old duffer of low intellect babbling on about things he only has a superficial understanding of at best. Lennox's theory of the universe and everything is "It was done by a Jesus and it is all written down in a old book of fairy tales.
I'll leave here one of my favorite quotes from the eminent John Lennox: "The idea that God and science are mutually exclusive explanations of the universe is as wrong as saying that internal combustion and Henry Ford are mutually exclusive explanations of the automobile. They are complementary explanations. One explains how it works, the other why it exists... Telescopes can show us the wonder of the night sky, but science didn't put the stars there, nor did the laws of biology and physics..."
I agree. What concerns me is assuming that theism provides an advantage in explaining how the universe functions. Personally, I don't see any distinction between claiming that the laws of science have an unknown origin and the laws of science were created by God.
@@mesplin3 I appreciate your perspective, and I think it's important to clarify the distinction that theism makes regarding the origin of natural laws. Whether one labels it an 'unknown origin' or attributes it to 'God,' the fundamental point remains the same: the laws of science are not products of random, unintelligent processes. Theism posits that these laws must have an intelligent source, which goes beyond mere chance or randomness. It's not just about labeling this source as 'God,' but rather acknowledging that these laws exhibit a level of order, precision, and purpose that points to an intelligent mind behind them. In essence, theism asserts that the laws of science are not arbitrary or accidental but are intricately designed, reflecting a deliberate intention. Whether we refer to this intention as 'God' or an 'unknown origin,' the core idea is that intelligence is responsible for the order and regularity we observe in the universe. By making this distinction, theism seeks to provide a framework for understanding that the laws of science, which underpin the functioning of the universe, cannot be explained by random or unintelligent processes. This perspective, emphasizes the idea of purpose and design in the cosmos.
@@deebrightassociates What are the implications of intelligence? I found this as a criteria and I will compare this criteria to God. 1. Ability to learn 2. Ability to reason 3. Ability to adapt 4. Creativity 5. Self-awareness If God is omniscient, knowing all true propositions, then God cannot learn. However if God is omnipotent, then God can learn. (Ability to learn) If something being evil implies that thing's existence contradicts God's will then it seems that God would oppose the existence of evil things. Yet, most Christians agree that evil things exist. Therefore it seems reasonable to assert that God cannot cause evil to cease to exist This may be due to apathy or incompetence or something else. (Ability to reason) God supposedly created the universe and knows everything including when each sparrow falls to the ground. In order for a being to adapt to a new environment, environments must be new. Since God created the universe and knows it perfectly well, we cannot infer that God can adapt to new environments based on the universe alone. (Ability to adapt) While one can admire the strictness of natural laws, this doesn't suggest creativity. An approach to a problem would need to be unexpected and effective in order for the approach to be creative. The same approach to a problem doesn't seem creative to me. (Creativity) I'm not aware of any example where God doubted himself in the Bible. Perhaps other gods might engage in self reflection, but I am not aware of any examples for the christian God. (Self-awareness)
@@deebrightassociates The laws of nature would exists under their own power that is why they are called the laws of nature. Otherwise they would be called the laws of God if they were created by God.
It's been my experience too, that my understanding of higher mathematics and how that correlates to scientific principles, gives me more faith and belief in God and it gives me an appreciation to the deepness and uncomprehensible magnitude of the actual mind of Christ. I don't think I would appreciate these things if I did not have a formal understanding of those academic principles. It's mind blowing to be honest.
Even if the probability of something being the case is long odds, it still doesn't prove the existence of a creator. Claims alone don't prove anything.
I fully understand because I believe that what God says and has done is true 😊 Then it is easy. Just think about this: the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom.
Yeah, I can usually just blow through videos at 1.5-2x speed and get a good grasp of the message but this one I had to slow down, stop everything else and really ponder what was being said. Very profound stuff that really digs at the core, elemental questions and extrapolates the foundations of reason itself. Loved it, thanks for sharing! :-)
There is one important leap he neglected to highlight - material systems have outcomes that may appear to us to be the result of conscious intent but that can follow simply from the intrinsic properties and parameters of those systems. A good example of this is evolution. The brain, in this line of thinking, would be the result of a mindless but not an unguided process, as it has evolved to be a more or less appropriate tool for navigating our physical and social environments by a process which is mindless by Lennox's definition. To survive, creatures require a reasonable ability to reliably predict the outcomes of the system whose laws gave rise to them. This is sensible because those entities which, for example, did not have such faculties or did not have faculties that were as optimally tuned for survival might be less prone to survive. To survive, the laws must be discerned at some level of resolution, albeit a dim level at baseline compared to what the known properties of the universe are. Hence, the brain that results from such a process can actually be quite trustworthy, since it is the result of an iterative process that can, in the absence of a creator or mind in the “driver seat”, select those features that promote survival. Although fully accurate perception of natural laws is not always adaptive, very inaccurate grasp is certainly very maladaptive. Misinterpreting gravity, fluid dynamics, or social cues had grave consequences for our ancestors. Hence, the brain serves to at least somewhat appropriately navigate the physical, social, and societal systems that gave rise to it. It manifold abilities and striking accuracy in many endeavors, such as science or correctly performing a cartwheel, are evidence in support of this. This process would not rule out supernatural entities, but it doesn’t require them either. It is also not reasonable to assume such a process is necessarily the result of a single god, especially not one that exists precisely as formulated by one tradition or another. For all we know it could be the result of something that doesn't have a "mind" we would recognize as such. However, we don't know that, and it seems that it could be any of the above. A similar argument would be, "science hasn't been able to recreate life from primordial soup, so a single god must have made it according to the way in which it's spelled out according to this specific text." If we rephrase that "must" to "could," it becomes a lot more tenable. God could have made it, but a god doesn't appear to be required as a prerequisite for the world to be comprehensible or for us to comprehend it to some degree. An equally irrational argument would be "science will be able to recreate life from primordial soup, so a single god can't have made it and god isn't real." This would seem to be irrational because a god or gods or non-conscious mindless supernatural entity could have made it, or no supernatural entity as we would define it at all. One does not necessarily appear to imply the other.
Many years ago I had a remote viewing experience involving my wife. I saw what was happening to her from about half a mile away and I also felt the fear that she was feeling. This tells me that thoughts can exist ouside the brain.
In fact, we don't even know whether thoughts exist in the brain or not. An analogy is that the internet is not within your smart phone. And no neuroscientist has ever detected or located a thought in the brain yet. Another analogy: the rainbow isn't in a raindrop. But, we need that prism to manifest the rainbow ...
TL;DW, It's a 15 minute stretched out version of intelligent design argument. And as long as you don't think about it on their own, but see them as some intelligent argument from smart people and trust them to be right, you'll fall for the same arguments. Respectfully, this was underwhelming. Maybe I expected too much, when I read 'oxford mathematician' in the title. So, to answer Lennox's question of whether I trust a mind/brain formed without intension, without a reason for its existence, yes I do, and it has nothing to do with whether things were intended or not. For a theist, everything is intended, but that doesn't mean therefore they ought to trust everything to work as they want them to. Even the question of trusting your own mind, sometimes your mind cannot be trusted, what about that? If it was intentional, that our minds are made for us to use, why can't we trust them in so many occasions? We cannot trust our own memories, even visions or sounds we experience. If they're intentional, and we're not supposed to trust these things some of the time, how can we even trust the great creator of our universe? Well, the theist response is "god is mysterious", and they have no response beyond it. Believing the universe is intentional because everything else we use are intentional, is the easiest and philosophically laziest idea to come up with. This watch has a creator, and it has a purpose, so the universe has a purpose(namely to house us or whatever purpose we say it has), so it too should have a creator. It takes an intellectual leap of faith(ironically) to think that the universe shouldn't necessarily be intentional. And as long as neither idea is proven, we can't say for certain what's true. I can understand why philosophers find purpose and intention for the existence of the universe, but what I don't understand is why they'd believe a particular religious narrative for that purpose and intention. And I'm wondering if Lennox belonged to some other faith, wouldn't he still have the same ideas, just changed to fit that faith? Or if he just believes in the universal creator, without giving much thought to the earthly ideas of the creator, I'd have much more respect for him. I'm not getting into what is meant by atheism, like whether it's believing that there is no god, or not believing or being convinced on the existence of a god, and all that. Because the discussion here is the philosophical notion of the existence of god, and it too, like mathematics, stays free of the physical world. But, this argument is kind of a gateway to theism. You start with the philosophical idea of god, then dumb in down to a god with more or less human mind, then double down on that concept and say the god is in fact in the image of a human, and his son walked among us. I'm glad to discuss this further, you don't necessarily have to be civil or respectful to me, just be clear on what you have to say. P.S : On the presenter's remark that atheists are adamant that god does not exist, Yes, some atheists and antitheists are convinced that god does not exist. But some like me, don't know whether or not god exist, and just are not convinced by any of the human narratives for it. Also, mirroring this sentiment, all theists are adamant that god does exist, all of them. There's not a single theist believing that it's only a chance that god exists, that's one definition we can all agree on.
He doesn’t put anything forth as “proof” he gives a long list of evidence, when it all comes together it points to God. We don’t know the secrets of the heavens but we can see it in action.
1. Is there only one god, or are there multiple gods? If multiple, how is a person to choose which deserves obedience? 2. Would you agree that before anything can exist, something has to create it? Did your god create everything? If yes, who/what created your god? 3. Is your god infallible? 4. Is your god omnipotent? 5. Is your god omniscient? 6. Is your god benevolent, or malicious? 7. If your god cannot make mistakes, then it follows that everything it creates is either perfect, or that your god intentionally makes things that are flawed. Would a benevolent god intentionally create something likely to suffer because of its flaws? 8. If your god can do anything, and it created the universe, why didn't it simply create a perfect world inhabited by perfect beings? If your god wanted obedience, and god is not malicious, why did god make disobedience possible? If a parent had two little children, and came to them with a plate of cookies and said, "These are the best cookies in the world, and I'm going to put them where you have to look at them all day every day. You are NOT ALLOWED to eat these cookies, ever~!" The parent then deliberately lets a crony into the house to mess with the kids. The crony tells the kids "Eat the delicious forbidden cookies and you will turn into grown ups!" Then, of course, the kids eat the cookies. The abusive parent storms in, enraged. "How dare you ungrateful children! I am now physically throwing you out of my house. You will live in torture for eternity as punishment, and all of your children will automatically also suffer torture all of their miserable lives". Wouldn't a parent like that belong in an insane asylum, or at least in prison? Suppose the parent had the ability, at any time, to bring the kids back to paradise.....instead, he says, "well, I'm going to TORTURE TO DEATH my favorite son, and THEN, if you obey me like a zombie slave from now on, you can come home" Wouldn't that parent deserve only HATE, not obedience? 9. If your god knows everything, does it already understand every thought and feeling you have? Does it instantaneously know everything you say and do? If yes, what is the point of religious rituals, such as prayer? 10. Why would an omnipotent and omniscient god not communicate directly and unambiguously with individuals, with no need of books, churches, prophets, signs, miracles, etc? If a person is not intelligent enough, or not "worthy" enough to speak directly with god, whose fault is that? Who made the person in the first place? If a person is unworthy or incapable of directly communicating with god, how can that person be capable of recognizing a valid spokesperson for god? 11. Think about the person/people who convinced/persuaded/ordered you to believe in a version of god. Are they infallible? Is it at all possible for them to tell you something they sincerely believe, but for that thing they tell you to be actually incorrect? 12. Are feelings reliable tools to guide actions? Suppose I hear a person in my neighborhood talking a lot about the presence of violent break in robberies nearby, and I get apprehensive. I am convinced by the passion my neighbor puts into this story, even though I've seen no tangible evidence. That night, I hear a noise. I FEEL certain that it is a robber breaking in to harm my family. I get out of bed, pull a pistol from the bedside table. Without opening the bedroom door, I shoot through it to get the robber. When I open the door, there is my son, lying dead on the floor from my bullet. I was sure. I relied on my feelings. My fear of a robber. My hope of being a defender father. Feelings, not facts. Was that a good way to live my life? 14. Do you deny that religion (superstition, irrational behavior) is the root cause of most human conflict in history, that for centuries millions have been tortured and murdered "because god told me to do it"? 13. Suppose a person has a book full of maps to guide a group journey. They rely upon it, but the group is perpetually lost. You question the map book, but your friend insists that the map book is flawlessly accurate. "How do you know?" you ask. They reply, "I know that this book is accurate and perfect, because it says so in the book." Your friend insists that the map book is information from god.....but some other people wrote the book, based on their interpretations...why? Why didn't god write the book personally? How could information possibly become more accurate and truthful when filtered thorough con men?.....but that is okay, because of how passionately they shout about their version of the book, and how strongly it makes your friend feel. When you show them hundreds of self contradictions in the book, they get upset and say that you are just not reading the book correctly. Which person is messed up? You, or the book fanatic? How do you justify cherry picking which parts of the bible to follow? Leviticus? Jesus clearly stated he is there to uphold ALL of the law. Do you obey it all, or dodge and rationalize and ignore the insanity and vicious hate that makes up most of the bible? 14. If the point is to die and go to heaven, why not simply commit mass suicide and get it over with? Christ was quite literally a kamikaze; is that what you preach should be emulated in daily life? 15. Why is it necessary to use superstition and irrationality to justify your practical principles? Why treat humans like a donkey in need of the stick of hell and the carrot of heaven? If you want positive secular behavior, why not justify that behavior in practical terms? Why do you need to use HATE and FEAR to get people to OBEY your literally INSANE beliefs? Wake up. Reality is OBJECTIVE, not subjective. Religion is a SCAM used by con men to exploit the weak, the desperate, and the stupid. Use your brain, not your feelings. What kind of organization calls itself loving and benevolent while calling you disgusting sinful and vile? What kind of organization requires your UNQUESTIONING obedience and GROVELING submission?
My brother said to me once "Lynn, Math is the language of God. We may not know the math yet but it is HIS language". I was mesmerized by that. My brother went from being diagnosed as a borderline sociopath as a young boy, to becomming somewhat of a ruffian, to finding TWO THINGS in his LATE 20's. GOD and a LOVE FOR MATH. I digress: He became the sweetest most loving brother! Our childhood hatred towards each other turned into becoming BEST FRIENDS! His idea of relaxing was working equations. He was TEACHING HIMSELF QUANTUM PHYSICS up until he died at 45yrs old. But I had always thought God and Science was in total conflict of one another. Canceled each other out. My brother expressed it simply enough for me to comprehend, as I have dyscalculia. 28 years forward I look at nature w even more wonder! I hope we never figure out how dragonflies maneuver. . .
@@robtooley4002 Countries will apply that movement to developing new war machines. The video host even mentioned that. Humans like nothing more than to annihilate one another. There's so much of God's Math I hope we never discover. I read something a scientist remarked "Tho we can take apart a blade of grass and analyze it we cannot make one". When I look at the tiniest of seeds I marvel at the 'PROGRAM' that dwells within... (let's not go down the GMO path here). The MUSTARD SEED kind of marveling that's in the Bible
If god speaks math then why is there a zero? Why do equations end up as singularities. God can't answer that. So math is math, not gods language. Math is the language of money... the root of all evil.
I am certain of God beyond a doubt the thing I struggle with is religion taught by man. I believe there are many truths in many religions, but I have to say Christ is who I decide to follow and deeply respect other faiths and again believe Jesus is the nucleus of it all and believe all true seekers end up following the King of Kings!
I'm with you! I pray and I speak with God, but I have a hard time with church. I'm still glad they're around, there's a lot of people that need it to have a sense of community. But all I need, is my own personal relationship with God.
Jesus claims that he is the only way to be saved, as he is the only perfect being that paid for your sins, therefore all other religions do not lead to salvation. How can one “deeply respect” other religions that lead people away from Jesus and lead them straight to hell?
@@lasy_hope5597 We're not talking about anything, we're talking about nothing, we're talking about certainly of God. This is something you can't, regardless of your thinking or logic, be certain of.
@@Jair2435 Your welcome. 😊 But what I said is not an opinion, its a fact. Lennox has never presented any good testible verifiable evidence for God ever!
@@TheOnlyClore72 I don't have to prove a God does not exist. Atheism is a lack of belief in a God, not a positive claim that a God does not exist. A God could exist but there is no good evidence that he does. It is you that makes the positive claim that a God exists so its you that has the burden of proof. So where is your evidence for God?
@@johnhammond6423Atheism is still a belief, a belief in no god. You still have to prove that what you believe in is true. Suppose there's a dead body in a room. Some people say there was a murderer; you say there wasn't because it was suicide. Or an accident. "Can you prove there was no murderer?" "I don't have to; it's you who claim there is one to prove your statement." See how helpful you are to that case? The detectives would think you're a nutcase for reasoning like that. Your claim of "no murderer" as a positive statement is "it was suicide/accident". Thus your claim of "no god" as a positive statement is "it was an accident/the universe that poofed everything". Go ahead and prove your claim now.
The universe had been here for billions of years before we came along and it will be here for billions of years long after we've gone. So no matter how much you want to believe it I doubt if it was all spoken into existence by your favourite magic man in the sky, saying that, if it gives you pleasure and you get a feeling of well-being from believing it, please go for it.
What is amazing to me is the order we find in the universe around us. The laws of physics, chemistry, electromagnetism, logic, cause and effect. Clearly, the universe exhibits design everywhere we look. And if there is design, then logically there must be a designer.
If that is the case, from a specifically biological perspective, wouldn't all the systems of life be fully optimised and withought flaws? Also your observation of the laws of physics etc implies that complexities cannot arise from less complex things. Just a thought
How can anyone believe that just because someone said there was a god, that there is a god? Are religious believers prepared to believe anything just because it makes them feel better? My heart goes out to the people who need religion to get through their day, it really does.
I need and needed, a FAITH in G-D who I believe is JESUS CHRIST to live my life in a useful way; that journey began summer 1974; for me John 3:16 was all there was
@@davidmiles-hanschellWhat is Faith? Faith is believing something when you do not have any evidence for that something, if you had evidence then you would not need Faith. All religions are called Faiths because there is no evidence for any of them. Faith is just clutching at straws. How about this? Everything living thing alive today will die and that's the end, except for us, what's so special about us? we can imagine a heaven, so for us there's going to be a heaven, there is no heaven but we tell ourselves there is and we die happy. Then it's the end.
Makes my HEAD HURT!!! 😮😅 My brain is simple and happy! I love Jesus and I'm sticking to it☝️☝️ This guy, Lennox, is AWESOMENESS IN ACTION! Love listening to him....just like Chuck Missler....🤯🤯🤯
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom One of the best mic drop moments of this clip is when he states that the atheistic worldview followed through to its conclusion actually destroys rational thought. Wow! Powerful stuff! Extremely compelling.
Thank you for putting these up. People ask me often how I can be a scientist and a Christian, it’s because I’m a Christian that I’m a scientist. I have found in recent years that math and science are being sacrificed because they prove God’s hand in our existence.
As an atheist i do not see the contradiction between religion and science. Nor do i think it points at god. So there is no need to sacrifice or hide work. As a mathmatician myself, can you give an example of math being sacrificed? I would very much like to know.
Speaking one scientist to another, you clearly have to use critical reasoning skills when you are in the laboratory doing science - otherwise you could be a scientist. So how do you shut these critical reasoning skills off so easily when you leave the lab and go about your Christian life. I never could flip back and forth between being skeptical and needed evidence to support every claim I was making in the lab and then accepting things on faith without any evidence in my non-professional life. The cognitive dissonance was just too much, so I abandoned my religion.
Hebrews 6:18-19 New Living Translation (NLT)So God has given both his promise and his oath. These two things are unchangeable because it is impossible for God to lie. Therefore, we who have fled to him for refuge can have great confidence as we hold to the hope that lies before us.
@@flashoftruth You mean "I don't want a God". But Atheism absolutely requires magic. You actually do believe in a god. Your invisible sky-daddy triune creator god's name is "Natural Selection, Time, and Chance". Tell me..... how did magical talking fairy rocks tell this god who's name is "Natural Selection, Time, and Chance" that humans need rules to peacefully co-exist, and that the universe needs laws of logic, math, etc.? Can you demonstrate these magical talking fairy rocks? Since you believe that we are nothing more than molecules, then this information must be codexed into our DNA with, and also magically inserted into the universe. Molecules have no mind. Chemicals don't reason, chemicals react. Random particles bumping into each other with no plan is a silly thing to believe created all of this. Silly. Some type of magic is required. So it is either magical talking fairy rocks, or it is God. Whatever magic that caused all this.... that's what we call god.
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom And yet we have discovered a phenomenon within the universe that does not make sense: Quantum entanglement! (what Einstein called 'spooky action at a distance'). It is completely counter-intuitive. True there is a lot of (way above my head) maths behind the phenomenon, yet that can't explain how particles can correlate over any distance. No one can explain it. I would love to know what Mr Lennox's, and others, opinions are on this! Really interesting video. Subscribed.
I just found this video and love it. I was having this conversation with my 14 yr old daughter last night attempting to get her thinking outside of the box about the universe and all that is in it and how it is all interconnected mathematically. Just love it. Thank you for creating this content.
@@Josh_elitesandcastles your permission to comment isn’t needed and won’t be sought. I’ve watched a couple of videos presented by the spineless, lying degenerate who hosts this channel- the algorithm throws up more. Who do you think you are?
I'm an aspiring apologist and gracious student of John W. Montgomery and his Academy. This might be my favorite TH-cam channel to supplement, encourage, and inspire my work as a Latin and doctrine teacher. Thank you for this good, true, and beautiful project.
When I first became a believer at 21 years i decided mathematics could very well be the fingerprint of God, studied in every created thing. It was a couple years later when i learned others had come to the same conclusion way before it came to my mind.
@@stephenolan5539 @stephenolan5539 that's the stupidest argument I've ever heard. He designed all of creation. Mathematics is how it works, explains the design and informs is how to work in it. Saying God is a failure for not making 1 + 1 equal something other than 2 is a failed argument. Creation would be chaotic and there would be no understanding anything. Mathematics, physics, geometry, etc would be invalid and if no use. You have as well had said if he can't make blue red then he's weak. If he can't make the inside of the balloon the outside while remaining the inside then he fails. These arguments prove nothing as they are based on stupidity. They are meaningless.
When studying mathematics you find some interesting things that we just believe with approximation because the solution shoots off towards infinity. For example 1 divided by 2 (in base 10 mathematics) creates 0.5 in decimal form. This is exactly one half in our minds. However, 1 divided by 3 results in 0.333 with a repeating decimal 3 to infinity. However, again in our minds this is exactly one third because we've rounded it off, got tired of adding threes and said ok that's enough. This result makes no sense because to see the EXACT decimal form of 1/3 you'd need an infinite amount of time to write it out....and yet we just believe it is exactly one third because that's what we're told. That's either irrational, or an extreme form of faith.
The consensus in mathematics is to put a dot above the third recurring number to indicate it repeats infinitely. Or use a number base of a multiple of three where it can be shown exactly, rather than a ten base number system.
Wait...What? This is no act of faith. We don't accept it because we are told to do so. 1 divided by 3 is the very definition of one third. And we aren't rounding anything off. 0.333... is precisely one third.
m8, in highschool you learn (atleast here in the netherlands) that when you do math you always wanna stay exact. Writing 1/3 as a decimal is simply not something you should ever do. Just like you just leave a square-root as such. We very much know that 0,333 isn't exactly 1/3. If i wrote down 0,3333 when it was 1/3, my teacher would say that it is wrong. Outside of math you can do this, but only because the slight difference is irrelevant in that situation. It is because a base 10 system is simply incapable of presenting some numbers exactly. They are called irrational numbers. This is why we have a letter to represent some numbers. like pi, because it isn't 3,1415
One of the awesomest things of God is that he has languages we don't understand and I think of one of his most spectacular languages is his language of math. I had a teacher who had a picture of the universe would just a black background and stars and each star was represented by a certain mathematical symbol or representation of math. On the bottom of the picture it said the mathematical language of GOD
This has me greatly excited. I'm a committed "atheist", and yet I've never truly fit into their group. Most atheists believe as is said here: there is NOTHING. I almost hurt, physically, at wanting to know I will be with my late, beloved husband-somehow, somewhere on some level. Your video is thrilling to me. But, I so wish he would not use our words "faith" and "god". Thank goodness he states twice that he is not a Christian. Thanks for this.
Welp I found my study for the day... GOD, math and science... Also i appreciate your content man. I really do... May God continue to bless you brother 💪🏿
The most brilliant, intelligent, and mathematical individual I have ever met believed that God was and is real because of how perfect math is. Math is so beautiful when you look into it and do equations; it’s truly God’s way of communicating with us.
Its the Language of the Universe, if that is your definition of God, then yes. Otherwise using Mathematics to justify the existence of a deity does not work.
@@jonathanbyers791 Then how can a machine make itself? Artificial intelligence didnt come to exist by itself. Flowers dont sow themselves in the ground, the streets dont make themselves. Everything has a design no matter how big or small. Faith is what moves everything.
Jonathan, I did it above using a tautology, which you probably know is math. And it was kind of easy. I am pretty proud of myself. Well proud of the gifts that God has given me, like a superior intellect. Pride in myself would be bad, you can tell who the real Christians are in the comments by if they are humble and making a good point in love. But the white washed tombs are the ones who are not acting in love toward the unbelievers who have joined us on this channel. I am not going to scroll up and name names but I think if you left a not so nice comment, you know who you are. Now might be a good time to ask your Heavenly Father for forgiveness. Even the godless resemble God and deserve love. As to math I don’t understand it but God is easy to understand.
@@tommarshall7247 Ben has been on Rogan and has communicated his thoughts on how " Jesus was a common criminal and got what He deserved." Maybe you should stop paying attention to Ben.
@@goodnews559 Thanks. Every person is precious in God's sight and understanding where they are coming from helps you communicate with them. Mr Lennox would maybe be able to get through to Ben in a different way, because of his rare capacity for gentleness, humility and directness and toughness, because he walks closely to God but also listens well. I don't agree with Ben on many many topics, but I listen from time to time, because I get an insight into how some people think, and he is sometimes insightful, himself. So, I think paying attention can be good, even to people like Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, and Muslim apologists- and that attention can lead you to see rare pieces of common ground, but also how empty some of their arguments are- but taking their opinions unquestioningly is another matter and would be very very foolish.
Absolutely groundbreaking! This makes complete sense of all what brings us about with our existence of reality. We are not just a corporeal manifestation of clumped matter and cells put together, but derived from a specific design, for a specific nature, into a specific purpose. This is extremely amazing knowledge of realization. Phenomenally mind boggling
@Cantstanya lol Like a child wanting to revolt who chooses to stay blind. God doesn’t want blind following sheep but us to be at our absolute best in a righteous manner to be equal amongst His Kingdom and to walk alongside Him as an entire being of self and connectivity. You are afraid of having a relationship of God because you anchor yourself to your humanity not to entrust your entire being to something outside of your physical form. Stay strong and virtuous and may you be Blessed by Him, Father God Yahweh
Only recently was your channel recommended to me, you've been on YT for almost 10 years and it seems like only recently you started to get recognition, you do a great job at breaking down these complex conversations for the layman to understand. In other words you're a great teacher to take complexity and simplify it. So often do I run into these videos on YT and people in the comments are just mocking or dismissing the Christians due to misunderstanding of what was said and explained in the debate/intervie/video. I can comprehend most of it but it's difficult for me to simplify it to other people in a way that's easy to understand for them. Great job you're doing and glad to see your channing doing so well. Taking the complexities of God and reasonings and being able to convey them in a comprehensible manner is a great gift, from a stranger on the internet to another, from a borther in Christ, keep on going my brother.
I don't really understand what the point is. If you come up with an equation that doesn't work, you discard it. You only keep those equations that are part of a model that works. As we discovered with Newton a good model doesn't mean you've found some deeper truth. Newton was wrong about what gravity was but his model still worked. I think the only people that think math is somehow magic are people that aren't very familiar with math.
What too is interesting is, that across all cultures, all epochs, it were the priests, monks, druids and shamans who also were the scientists, astronomers, doctors and scholars and it was the temples, cathedrals and holy sites, that were built over generations with the highest level of knowledge about architecture, material science and engineering, and it was also them who brought us hospitals, schools and universities. And yes, that there's order and laws in this at first glance seemingly utter and omnipresent chaos of the universe, that it makes sense and that things fall into place, with or without us, eventually, is a difficult thing to reason away.
@@shirleybradshaw1288 so it's not churches, temples and other religious structures that are most impressive, it wasn't monks and nuns running schools and hospitals and herbaries and breweries and distilleries, it isn't because of religious teachings that there's universities, and no one went to a shaman when they needed healing, and none of them studied and charted the stars? What should I read? What is flawed? Darwin didn't study theology? Mendel wasn't a monk? All the psychoanalysts aren't Jews?!
I'm not an atheist but I SUPER appreciate how you convey humility and respect when someone speaks against what you believe. I'd shake you hand and buy you dinner (if you were present) for your mannerism. Amen to you man. Thanks for being respectable and peaceable. Many (theists and atheists) cannot say the same.
Just come across your channel, great content, subscribed. I read God's undertaker by John many years ago,excellent book. The more you study science the more it becomes obvious that there is an intelligent designer behind it all. God speed.
Thank you for this video. As you implied,It’s easy to not fully comprehend the significance of this conversation. I’m starting to think the meaning of life is to try to get thru the next 5 minutes without doing something sinful or stupid
The meaning of life is to grow closer in your most important relationship, the one with God. If you do that, the rest happens on its own, as you will become more like him.
I also wasted 15 minutes waiting for some revelation which related to the title. All I heard was waffle from someone with the arrogance to believe that the human mind/brain has to be made by a god/human intelligence rather than millions of years of random mutations. He comes over as having a very narrow experience which I am sure is not the case. Of course I came to this with atheist expectation bias so I missed out on the wonders perceived by the true believers.
@@stephendavies6947 Counter-arguments with rationality and reason please, not ad-hominin attacks. Try that. Give us a valid counter-argument against his. "Millions of years of random mutations"??????? There has never been observed an alive or dead inter-species. Ever. Macro-evolution simply has never been observed.
Dope video! The gentleman doesn't push any religion, just a reasoning for a creator and architect. He conveys his views rationally and with great humour.
Politely, Religion is a product of man, Spirituality is a product of ......your soul and faith!! Nothing wrong with either until they are corrupted by man!!
@@wp4934is another imagining they can stand in a bucket and pull themselves up by the handle. God reaches down to elevate whoever would accept His religion, His Word creating only one religion. Corruption in religion is inspired by those siding with demons against the one religion God, Jesus, invited all to join. Religion is never at fault, only the liars, the corrupters. Obviously, religion, a product of God, is blameless. Liars shift blame from themselves to the eternally blameless.
It is nonsense reasoning. You can have feelings either way but the argument is bunk. If the universe exists and works then there are regular laws and mechanisms that make it work and any way you figure out to describe them would make you end up with a working system that all fits together, if not reality wouldn't exist. You are trying to make circular reasoning not be circular reasoning because you feel really strongly about it.
Thank you for this. I recently stubbled across your content and its so well thought out, i love how you present and its just so calm and easy to understand. Great job !
The Argument from Reason is really interesting, but it definitely takes you down some deep, dark rabbit holes. I'd love to do more study on it. I think it's interesting to discuss, but I'm not sure how far I could take the discussion if pressed in key spots. Lennox and Lewis are great resources for it. William Lane Craig recently put out a video about the applicability of mathematics to the physical world as a theistic argument (nat. theology I suppose?). Great coverage. I'll have to find that talk with Metaxas.
@@Theo_Skeptomaii am wondering what arguments had been made anywhere in this video as well. I can only see a series of declarations they never once expanded on.
@@Theo_Skeptomai Oooh poor Theo. Why are you still trolling these channels? I've busted you so many times, it actually should be embarrassing for you to even stay an Atheist.
if a guy who says MrFord created a car so God must exist is the biggest thinker of humanity then there is no future for us. He also said forgiveness without torture , humiliation and pity has no sense 😂
@@hubertkudyba2397 oh dear, you’re one of those… Lol. Did you actually watch the video and see how he made the comparison?. He was discussing two things being equally true at the same time. If you couldn’t figure that out, then even a child could see you need to go back and seriously rethink your backwards inability to comprehend things that don’t fit your narrative. Secondly, what are you talking about??… Forgiveness without torture??. Pity has no sense??. By all means explain in detail… Which I assume will be something like your interpretation of his Henry Ford example… Utterly clueless, with a manufactured a narrative around it. You’re certainly not convincing me, but I don’t believe you’re even convincing yourself. The guy literally handed Hitchens his backside in a debate, by hitchens own admission. So apparently, you’re utterly shining in your brilliance, and math geniuses, and even your so-called top atheists are wrong… Lol. The problem isn’t him, the problem is you. When you’re committed to backwards ideology, there’s no convincing you otherwise… You will go down with the ship.
A great mathematician, and a great inspiration. Especially for the Christian mathematician or scientist, so great to hear this guy. It can be lonely in the science/math world being a Christian.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven There's no such thing as god. There you go, simple. If the fraud was a real scientist he wouldn't allow himself to be such easy prey for pure wishful thinking, which is all god amounts to.
@@rozzgrey801 Show me evidence for an inter-species. Do you have a fossil, dead animal, or alive animal of an inter-species? Blind faith without a shred of evidence.... the Atheist cult members warn people about this, yet they don't have a shred of evidence that macro-evolution is true. Atheism is irrational nonsense built upon wishful thinking and no evidence.
@@drzaius844 I love the fact we converted "heathens", who worshiped the sun - the reason for all life on earth, to worship our man in the sky with a beard. PMSL - oh the irony
@@johnbowers7044 you wish. Which is disgusting. And no, your invisible non-being isn’t doing anything harmful to anyone. Relax and be less of a threatening jerk. Do better.
I feel for the first time in a generation Christianity is directly challenging atheism with science. If you notice the rise in atheists including comedians it is the realisation brilliant Christians minds are challenging atheistic dogma and that many atheists are getting nasty.
there wouldnt be atheists if they were taught the reality of the world. kids are trained in school to trust authority and not to think. only the "experts" know stuff. not knowing or asking questions is ridiculed. and you cannot be an expert if you dont regurgitate or if you disagree with the narrative. the more important question will be. Which religion is the true path?
@@conspiracy1914 Who does science? Scientists. Scientists are human and just as political and ideological as anyone else. Scientism is the new religion, and scientists are its priesthood.
Carl Jung gave me permission to entertain the idea reality consists of more than the physical. He developed the idea that we ourselves exist as ghosts within and creators of the physical. This was an old idea of the religious, but from the materialist perspective the question of where consciousness originates, and why it is science is so focussed on objects that it is unquestioning of how it is that something can observe the object. What is it that is watching.
I'm sure this has already been said to some effect below but... John Lennox is like you're ideal of a favorite grandfather. you can't help wanting to run up to him and give him a huge hug
"The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you." - Werner Heisenberg
As soon as you said "lets reason together" I knew you were a Christian. "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." - Isiah 1:18
The big bang contain all of our atoms in a tightly packed area, my atoms, your atoms in my body, the atoms in your body, the atoms in the floor, your feet rest on at this moment, all of the energy of the universe at a single point in space-time that was the big bang. This being said we are all the same energy. We are all the energy of God the universe. The energy is indivisible. It is all the same. We are truly one with God. We are in gods like this because we are his energy science proves this.
@@MicalSimpson13 Nah, it was just another embarrassing god of the gaps fallacy that is only convincing to people who already believe for emotional reasons.
Evidence is objective, proof is subjective. Having a "smoking gun" is evidence of guilt Believing in someone's guilt must be "subjectively", "beyond a reasonable doubt".
Only recently found this channel but I love your videos. My journey into faith has been difficult so far but convincing the mind through logic that god exists has been my first step into Christianity and finding Christ, and your videos have been instrumental in that.
My entire life ive always been told that you either believe in Science or Religion when all modern science comes from Christians who believed that a Logical God made a Logical world that they could then study.
God Bless!
This makes me so happy! Thank you so much for taking the time to share! 🙏❤️
Christians who believed God made the world orderly invented science. The more we learn from science, the more it points us back to God. It’s an example of the scientific method at work, from hypothesis, through testing, to validation. As someone who had a career in science and engineering, this has removed stumbling blocks to my faith.
@ricksonora6656 You claim to be a scientist. Tell me, have you ever _directly observed_ this 'God' you've mentioned?
@@Theo_Skeptomai God isn't something to be observed (with human eyes and minds) its like saying you cant observe gravity: something fell yes but you can't observe the force that made it fall.
The Big bang is a similar force that we cant observe but because the universe expands outwards we know there had to be a beginning (oversimplified the theory but you get the point).
Similar to how a massive planet can enact a force like gravity we must assume that something INSANELY powerful was the cause of the current universe that we live in.
@@Theo_Skeptomai Hello. I'm also a scientist. Have you ever _directly observed_ this 'consciousness' you have?
I became an atheist when I convinced myself that I could not trust reason because it was the end product of an unguided random process. That is actually just one side of the history. I was also eager to live by my own and full of pride. Rejecting God and rejecting the use of reason for any non-utilitarian end was the same thing to me. It took me 18 years to realize it was a decision, not a conclusion, drove by pride justified by a philosophy that is nihilistic in its core. I am glad, thankful and surprised about how patient and forgiving God really is.
In other words you where never an Atheist
If it makes you happy then I'm glad you are religious, it will have done exactly what religions are supposed to do, not fear death. If only religion didn't make people talk and act like fools, there is absolutely nothing to say that any of it is true but religious people all act as if it is.
@@Shytot-1 You obviously haven't yet found the "truth" that others may have. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist or can't be found. It's suspicious that you haven't read the Bible or have genuinely sought out this truth for yourself, but I don't want to assume. It is a process and understanding doesn't happen overnight. I'm still working on it myself and like you, used to think religion was a coping mechanism to deal with death. Now I see it's for coping with life and it's mystery with respect to the many questions that remain unanswered. I wish you the best of luck on your journey friend.
@@titanmongoloid8164 It's been estimated that there are around 8.7 million species of plants, insects and animals in existence today. However, only around 1.2 million species have been identified and described so far. Every one of them is going to die and that will be the end, except for us, why us? what is so special about us? we are the only species that can imagine a heaven and a god, so for some indoctrinated or gullible people, an imagined heaven and a god exists. I'm just a dumb atheist and I can see this, why can't people a lot smarter than me see it?
Religion exists because of the fear of death.
John Lennox is one of my favorite humans! He's one of the reasons I converted to Christianity and study Apologetics.
Im sorry man, but how? All he does is make empty statements that sound fancy.
@@juhlian4255 could you share an example or 2 and explain.
If human thoughts are based on random access of the atom, I have no reason to believe anything said by anyone, including myself. God gave each human a mind so that we can receive infomations, think and make decisions, all in a split of a second. Random accessment of the atoms of the brain can never do what a mind can.
@@ヒポタト How about 'Mathematics works therefore there must be a god...' Absolute nonsense!
Yes! Me too.
Lennox makes me feel like im a kid sitting at the foot of a rocking chair listening to his grandpa explain the wonders of the world.
I could listen to him speak every single day for the rest of my life and it still wouldn’t be enough.
Same! ❤
So very true.
@@alwilson3204 Lennox’s sole field of expertise is the theory of infinite soluble groups- a topic on which, along with the rest of mathematics, I’ve yet to hear him utter a syllable. I’ve had years of drivel about Jesus, pompous tripe about Christianity being responsible for science and howling lies about evolution…..and not a syllable about mathematics.
yes, that's how scams work, that's how christianity has worked, lying to you about the reality of the situation, that god is immoral and barbaric.
@@mcmanustony A howling lie about evolution is that there existed or exists an inter-species.
There is not a shred of evidence that macro-evolution is true. None, zip, nada.
Micro-evolution is true, but that cannot be used as evidence for macro-evolution, which has never been observed.
Why are you militant Atheists always subscribed to Atheist channels? Are you like a cult member? Atheism is a very dumb cult religion.
Seriously, are you unable to defend your deluded cult religion w/o your other cult members to listen to for arguments?
I find you as deeply brainwashed as the Amish.
I have to say, that I love that you don't interrupt the conversation in the middle of the video, but that you let us listen to the speaker fully and then you give us your thoughts afterwards. The words be slow to speak and quick to listen come to mind. And you have got it right!
I completely agree 👍
I heard this argument a few months ago when I was an athiest. One morning I was steps away from getting in my car -replaying the argument in my mind- thinking 'how can I trust my thoughts if I am a random formation of molecules and electrical firings' I opened my car door a second later, start the car and the first thing that I hear on the radio is a woman singing 'trust what your thinking...'
I am no longer an athiest (not for this reason alone mind you)
How often do you think "how can I trust my thoughts if I am a random formation of molecules and electrical firings" and then the radio *does not* have a woman singing "trust what you are thinking?"
WOW! Thank you for sharing this! Jesus is LORD! He is “the image of the invisible God”. We can actually have relationship with our creator because Jesus has atoned for sin and made us clean and suitable for our Holy & Wonderful creator! So much Joy in front of you brother! Let me know any way I can help on this journey! 🙏❤️
Jesus is LOVE! I felt his love 49 days after I found Him. (2 days ago) He pushed infinite love into me during my evening prayer/meditation and I knew that wasnt even 1/10 of what He is capable of.
Scripture says He is love beyond knowledge. I felt it as infinite or the essence of love, never felt anything like it. I wept for a good 15 minutes. @@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom
Great story. So glad that you have come to put your faith in the Lord.
I am more glad than you, and thank you@@edwardwicks304
Lennox is a beast, truly a gift for our generation...we'd all do well to learn as much as we can from this man....
*_God Bless_*
Please don’t. There’s plenty of decent apologists out there. This guy isn’t one of them
@@juhlian4255Name a few.
@@juhlian4255 and what are you?
he is a bullshitter
My wife and I really like listening to these and discussing what is said.
This is exactly what turned me on to Dr Chuck Missler. The first time I seen one of his videos I was hooked. It was incredible to me that someone with such a diverse and brilliant background was using both science and mathematics to prove that both the Bible and our God are very much real!
I still am not seeing how math and logic prove god.
@@maxhagenauer24It is statistically impossible for nothing to create something through random chance processes. And Evolution certainly cannot create the information of DNA or consciousness of creatures.
@@statesman6379Do you believe in a god who came form nothing and created everything out of nothing? Then you are also believing something came from nothing.
@maxhagenauer24 God is not just another being in the universe. God, by definition, is the uncaused, non-contingent source of being. Any being that "came from" anywhere, anything, or any time is not God but is merely another finite being.
@@jimmyintheswamp It doesn't matter if he is part of the universe or not. He is something that came from nothing. Why cant I apply that same logic to the universe and say the universe is the uncaused first cause? How do you know its this outside of the universe being?
I love listening to John Lennox. He's so wise and intelligent but talks in such a playful and humble way.
There’s nothing playful about him lying his fat ass off about evolution.
He’s degenerating into a pompous, arrogant old fool.
Absolutely, and even better with the addition of Eric's perceptive influence.
@@alwilson3204 Eric is a simpering pig-ignorant sycophant. But thanks for playing.
I love listening to John Lennon, his lyrics are so intelligent and sings in such a happy way that blah blah blah
yes it must be nice to have someone cover up the immorality of god for you, a nice old fat man with a soothing voice saying that god loves all those poor people while watching helplessly burning alive, oh if on;ly god could save them! if only god were all powerful and forgiving.
It breaks my heart to see so many people taken in by such nonsense, they obviously need to believe because they are so afraid of dying, I don't know why, because dying is the easiest thing we will ever do, there's no darkness, there is nothing to fear because there is nothing there to fear, there are no memories because where we store our memories will be gone, we will be gone just like every other living thing on the planet, we will be no more and we won't even know it, it will be exactly like it was before we were born, do you remember? no of course you don't because you didn't exist.
I never walk away from Mr. Lennox without a whole and new set of reasons to believe the things we see as being created. This is not a series of mistakes; this we see is an unfolding of a creative energy that reaches so far beyond our understanding that some will believe it while others will be so daunted by it all from the mystery acceptance view that they will be forced to doubt it. In a sense, no one is wrong, but no one is done yet. Even if made so by the immense depth of the truth of it all there is no other way to see it. We are all on the same journey and we are all approaching the same truth. Some of us accept and swim on and others do not accept and still they too swim on. There’s a tremendous beauty in it all and the power of creation must be genius without limits. God is truly great; or the mistakes that lead us to now are truly great. One way or another, God will be found. It’s part of the design.
John's gospel will lead you even closer to the living God in Jesus
Well spoken my friend.
The only question is do you have evidence for your god.
@@brianmesser12 the actual question is do you have evidence for your disbelief that extends beyond your denial?
@@MrDoyle07 I have never been presented with any evidence for supernatural. Please show evidence.
Just remember this, The math had to be perfect for us to exist. And God is a perfect God. ❤
I would rather believe that God is imperfect then to believe that God does not exist.
@@createyouremotion3831 that isn’t what he or she said. The math has to be perfect for us to exist. Not necessarily have a perfect existence.
@@createyouremotion3831 Nice example of straw-manning.
@@createyouremotion3831Do you struggle with reading comprehension sometimes? I know the education system isn't what it used to be, unfortunately.
I'm not sure math is perfect. It has to be proven first. There is continually new maths being developed.
Good time to read Paul's sermon at Athens Acts 17:16-34. "In Him we move and have our being"
I was worried about losing my faith when I started to study biology and chemistry at college. However, the deeper I got in the science, the stronger my faith was.
I did not excel in math but was obsessed with 2 things by the time I was a teenager; Baseball (Which I eventually player professionally) and Albert Einstien. In college I came to the thought that "God must be the great mathematician!" Later I was baffled when I realized Newton somehow created calculus (Leibniz as well). There must be a conscious "Something" that allows man to create formulas and symbols written on paper and blackboard walls that are of ultimate "Truth." I always believed the atheist as well as the believers' problem or roadblock is we have all created "God" in our image but not realize we are created to be creators in the image of a "mind" we have named and wrapped in flesh encasing bones and blood. Thank you Daily Dose for introducing me to the brilliance of John Lennox!!!
Newton was a freemason and well paid to invent gravity and therefore remove the firmament and gods word from peoples thoughts,we live under gods firmament,water above as below,gravity is density reinvented,the devil works in many ways,believe the word of god and no one else we have been lied to for many generation,GOD BLESS YOU i mean you no harm
First thank you for the work, second thank you for not interrupting the video with useless words and letting us try and understand the message on our own. Third thank you for not squeezing in a break in the video telling us to like and sub. Fourth, thank you for breaking it down at the end of the video because this was hard understand lol these videos are perfect. God bless you
Love clear thinking of John Lennox, analogies he use and his passion for God. ❤
John Lennox just made baseless assumptions.
John Lennox has never ever presented any good testible verifiable evidence for any God or anything supernatural.
@@kos-mos1127which are?
He's making an argument from ignorance and incredulity. "I don't know how the universe and life cold originate naturally therefore god".
Fallacy 101
@@TheTruthKiwi He never claims that. He claims that something cannot created itself. We know the universe had a beginning based on our current knowledge. If it had a beginning, then whatever created it had to exist outside of it - since a thing cannot create itself. So I don't think this is God of the gaps argument. Speaking of which there is plenty of "science of the gaps" argument - where some claim that "Yes science can't explain everything, but in TIME it will eventually". That's an argument based on faith that everything is explainable by science.
I can simply binge watch Prof Lennox for hours on end (especially with Eric Metaxas).Thank you Prof for the pearls of wisdom which you bring to us in such a humble way, yet with the authority of a brilliant ‘mind’!
He's an old man trying to teach you magic tricks at a trick shop. He just so happens to believe in the same god that his parents and their parents believed in. What are the odds?
@@jakedubs
Don’t be afraid. God loves you and wants you to be with him in perfection for all eternity. It’s not a hoax.
Admit to God you are a sinner.
Believe that Jesus is God’s son.
Confess your faith in Jesus as Savior and Lord.
Live forevermore.
@@jakedubs
Back up your accusations.
There’s no old man atheist? Lol.
What “magic tricks” is he trying to teach us??.
He explains his belief in great detail, he doesn’t simply repeat what he’s been told…and clearly you haven’t taken the time to listen to his philosophy, you’ve already decided it doesn’t fit your narrative, so you won’t listen. You could just as easily say that an atheist, whose parents were atheist is doing exactly what you accused him of. Yeah, it’s quite clear he would have zero problem with it. The ridiculous double standards, the inability to debate morality, purpose, or design. Such are the ways of atheists. At least Hitchens had the honesty to admit that he lost the debate to John Lennox, and was gracious enough to be honest about it. But I’m sure you’re more brilliant than both of them, right?? Lolololol
@@Karen19820
Translation:
Submit to my delusions for which I have no evidence, only claims and attributions.
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We were all once lost and without hope. We thought salvation through Jesus was too good to be true. Then we had a thought of “What if it is all true and I miss it? God, are you really there and love me and want me to be with you in eternal life forever?”
So I surrendered my heart and mind to God, and began reading the Bible in the book of John. Wow! It’s your choice. I made mine 54 years ago and have never regretted it. Best wishes to you.
Here I am, a theist idealist philosopher of physics feeling very identified with the dialogue. Thanks for sharing!
I'm not a mathematically inclined person but one of the things that blows me away is how methodical and meticulous God is in the timing of his planning. When you get to looking it's all with the highest detail of precision. And everything is made to work on that base.
Remember to thank him for child cancer!
Are babies born with cancer and deformities methodical and meticulous planning by god?
It seems like we exist in a natural universe, not a magical one. 😉
Any evidence for this god at all..?
But it doesn't matter God is all knowing and all powerful if he is then the Universe doesn't have to make any sense to Humans it has to do as God commands
@leebennett1821
If this god is all knowing and all powerful, then that God is a lunatic.
Wars, famine, disease, brain eating pestilence, eye eating creatures, floods, gales, landslides, cancer in children, murders, murderers, grapists..
That god, if it exists... made it all
Wonderful. These insights are what was taught to me as I studied for my philosophy degree; not what to think, rather, how to think.
This channel is so important. Everyone has their journey to Christ, but this channel is perfect for intellectual and logical minds. There are so many good videos.
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I love your channel so much. I asked God for clarity on many of the issues you covered, and then I found you. May God bless you!
Praise the Lord!
Truly a Miracle
You had an issue
Praid for betterment
And searched for a solution
You finding the "solution" (AFTER SEARCHING YOURSELF)
It must have been God😂
Like those people that see a doctor and take the medicine thank god
Sheer stupidity
Lennox is such a boss, dude can do a debate against Hitchens on the spot with no pre preparation. The deeper you dig, the more of God is revealed. Thanks for spreading this great discussion with more people. We need to continue showing that God is the best explanation as the foundation to all of contingent reality
I believe anyone could win an unprepared debate with a dead man, his statements are purely faith, and good for him, but faithers have been undercutting ‘atheists’ forever, and continues to spur the horrible atrocities committed around the world
This was not a debate. No one pushed back against his points. As far as contingent reality goes the only contingent reality is God.
@@kos-mos1127 He never said this was a debate. Please read his comment again.
Hitchens wiped he floor with him, Lennox is a bullshitter
@@kos-mos1127 God is necessary not contingent
Hey man, just wanted to thank you for this channel and for your mission. I’ve always been fascinated by apologetics and the age old debate. As a Christian, and long time CS Lewis fanboy, I love the content. Keep up the good work. As Lewis says in Weight of Glory,
“Good philosophy and a cool intellect must be sought after if for no other reason than that bad philosophy exists”
1 John 1 kJV
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Prof. John Lennox is the bubbly, genius grandpa we've never had. I adore him, I could listen to him for hours! The way he speaks is so eloquent, so grounded, so brilliant. I pray to God that He gives him perfect health and a lot of love.
"I pray to God that He gives him perfect health" no need for medical science then.
wow what a wisdom you got there... I am amazed!@@aue82a
@@aue82aYour statement concludes with a non sequitur.
I find Lennox to be an annoying old duffer of low intellect babbling on about things he only has a superficial understanding of at best. Lennox's theory of the universe and everything is "It was done by a Jesus and it is all written down in a old book of fairy tales.
I'll leave here one of my favorite quotes from the eminent John Lennox:
"The idea that God and science are mutually exclusive explanations of the universe is as wrong as saying that internal combustion and Henry Ford are mutually exclusive explanations of the automobile. They are complementary explanations. One explains how it works, the other why it exists... Telescopes can show us the wonder of the night sky, but science didn't put the stars there, nor did the laws of biology and physics..."
Thank you, Joshua! This is great!
I agree. What concerns me is assuming that theism provides an advantage in explaining how the universe functions. Personally, I don't see any distinction between claiming that the laws of science have an unknown origin and the laws of science were created by God.
@@mesplin3 I appreciate your perspective, and I think it's important to clarify the distinction that theism makes regarding the origin of natural laws. Whether one labels it an 'unknown origin' or attributes it to 'God,' the fundamental point remains the same: the laws of science are not products of random, unintelligent processes.
Theism posits that these laws must have an intelligent source, which goes beyond mere chance or randomness.
It's not just about labeling this source as 'God,' but rather acknowledging that these laws exhibit a level of order, precision, and purpose that points to an intelligent mind behind them.
In essence, theism asserts that the laws of science are not arbitrary or accidental but are intricately designed, reflecting a deliberate intention. Whether we refer to this intention as 'God' or an 'unknown origin,' the core idea is that intelligence is responsible for the order and regularity we observe in the universe.
By making this distinction, theism seeks to provide a framework for understanding that the laws of science, which underpin the functioning of the universe, cannot be explained by random or unintelligent processes.
This perspective, emphasizes the idea of purpose and design in the cosmos.
@@deebrightassociates What are the implications of intelligence? I found this as a criteria and I will compare this criteria to God.
1. Ability to learn
2. Ability to reason
3. Ability to adapt
4. Creativity
5. Self-awareness
If God is omniscient, knowing all true propositions, then God cannot learn. However if God is omnipotent, then God can learn. (Ability to learn)
If something being evil implies that thing's existence contradicts God's will then it seems that God would oppose the existence of evil things. Yet, most Christians agree that evil things exist. Therefore it seems reasonable to assert that God cannot cause evil to cease to exist This may be due to apathy or incompetence or something else. (Ability to reason)
God supposedly created the universe and knows everything including when each sparrow falls to the ground. In order for a being to adapt to a new environment, environments must be new. Since God created the universe and knows it perfectly well, we cannot infer that God can adapt to new environments based on the universe alone. (Ability to adapt)
While one can admire the strictness of natural laws, this doesn't suggest creativity. An approach to a problem would need to be unexpected and effective in order for the approach to be creative. The same approach to a problem doesn't seem creative to me. (Creativity)
I'm not aware of any example where God doubted himself in the Bible. Perhaps other gods might engage in self reflection, but I am not aware of any examples for the christian God. (Self-awareness)
@@deebrightassociates The laws of nature would exists under their own power that is why they are called the laws of nature. Otherwise they would be called the laws of God if they were created by God.
I really like that you actually have input on the videos you are reacting too. You actually add to the topic at hand.
Thank you!
It's been my experience too, that my understanding of higher mathematics and how that correlates to scientific principles, gives me more faith and belief in God and it gives me an appreciation to the deepness and uncomprehensible magnitude of the actual mind of Christ. I don't think I would appreciate these things if I did not have a formal understanding of those academic principles. It's mind blowing to be honest.
This is something I picked up at a young age. The odds and everything that had to be perfect for the universe to work is incredible.
Even if the probability of something being the case is long odds, it still doesn't prove the existence of a creator. Claims alone don't prove anything.
@@duncanbryson1167 it's not long odds it's basically impossible. And it would be the only thing in nature that happened randomly
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The odds are 1 to 1, not that big.
We are a product of earth. You think we were just placed here? An evolution of earth. Makes more sense than your GOD putting us here 😂
Love Eric and John, very good, I'm only half way through it an it is absolutely brilliant. Thanks again for great content.
Respect to all those who fully understand what these guyz are talking about
I fully understand because I believe that what God says and has done is true 😊 Then it is easy. Just think about this: the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom.
I do and I can assure you you are being had here
Yeah, I can usually just blow through videos at 1.5-2x speed and get a good grasp of the message but this one I had to slow down, stop everything else and really ponder what was being said. Very profound stuff that really digs at the core, elemental questions and extrapolates the foundations of reason itself. Loved it, thanks for sharing! :-)
The sad part is, it's not deep at all. He uses flowery rhetoric, but it all goes nowhere. Kind of like Jordan Peterson.
There is one important leap he neglected to highlight - material systems have outcomes that may appear to us to be the result of conscious intent but that can follow simply from the intrinsic properties and parameters of those systems. A good example of this is evolution. The brain, in this line of thinking, would be the result of a mindless but not an unguided process, as it has evolved to be a more or less appropriate tool for navigating our physical and social environments by a process which is mindless by Lennox's definition. To survive, creatures require a reasonable ability to reliably predict the outcomes of the system whose laws gave rise to them. This is sensible because those entities which, for example, did not have such faculties or did not have faculties that were as optimally tuned for survival might be less prone to survive. To survive, the laws must be discerned at some level of resolution, albeit a dim level at baseline compared to what the known properties of the universe are.
Hence, the brain that results from such a process can actually be quite trustworthy, since it is the result of an iterative process that can, in the absence of a creator or mind in the “driver seat”, select those features that promote survival. Although fully accurate perception of natural laws is not always adaptive, very inaccurate grasp is certainly very maladaptive. Misinterpreting gravity, fluid dynamics, or social cues had grave consequences for our ancestors. Hence, the brain serves to at least somewhat appropriately navigate the physical, social, and societal systems that gave rise to it. It manifold abilities and striking accuracy in many endeavors, such as science or correctly performing a cartwheel, are evidence in support of this.
This process would not rule out supernatural entities, but it doesn’t require them either. It is also not reasonable to assume such a process is necessarily the result of a single god, especially not one that exists precisely as formulated by one tradition or another. For all we know it could be the result of something that doesn't have a "mind" we would recognize as such. However, we don't know that, and it seems that it could be any of the above.
A similar argument would be, "science hasn't been able to recreate life from primordial soup, so a single god must have made it according to the way in which it's spelled out according to this specific text." If we rephrase that "must" to "could," it becomes a lot more tenable. God could have made it, but a god doesn't appear to be required as a prerequisite for the world to be comprehensible or for us to comprehend it to some degree.
An equally irrational argument would be "science will be able to recreate life from primordial soup, so a single god can't have made it and god isn't real." This would seem to be irrational because a god or gods or non-conscious mindless supernatural entity could have made it, or no supernatural entity as we would define it at all. One does not necessarily appear to imply the other.
Many years ago I had a remote viewing experience involving my wife. I saw what was happening to her from about half a mile away and I also felt the fear that she was feeling. This tells me that thoughts can exist ouside the brain.
This tells me you're delusional.
In fact, we don't even know whether thoughts exist in the brain or not. An analogy is that the internet is not within your smart phone. And no neuroscientist has ever detected or located a thought in the brain yet. Another analogy: the rainbow isn't in a raindrop. But, we need that prism to manifest the rainbow ...
No, that's not evidence that thoughts can exist outside the brain.
@@jsmall10671 Isn't it? Wow, there was me thinking it was.
TL;DW, It's a 15 minute stretched out version of intelligent design argument. And as long as you don't think about it on their own, but see them as some intelligent argument from smart people and trust them to be right, you'll fall for the same arguments.
Respectfully, this was underwhelming.
Maybe I expected too much, when I read 'oxford mathematician' in the title.
So, to answer Lennox's question of whether I trust a mind/brain formed without intension, without a reason for its existence, yes I do, and it has nothing to do with whether things were intended or not. For a theist, everything is intended, but that doesn't mean therefore they ought to trust everything to work as they want them to. Even the question of trusting your own mind, sometimes your mind cannot be trusted, what about that? If it was intentional, that our minds are made for us to use, why can't we trust them in so many occasions? We cannot trust our own memories, even visions or sounds we experience. If they're intentional, and we're not supposed to trust these things some of the time, how can we even trust the great creator of our universe? Well, the theist response is "god is mysterious", and they have no response beyond it.
Believing the universe is intentional because everything else we use are intentional, is the easiest and philosophically laziest idea to come up with. This watch has a creator, and it has a purpose, so the universe has a purpose(namely to house us or whatever purpose we say it has), so it too should have a creator. It takes an intellectual leap of faith(ironically) to think that the universe shouldn't necessarily be intentional. And as long as neither idea is proven, we can't say for certain what's true.
I can understand why philosophers find purpose and intention for the existence of the universe, but what I don't understand is why they'd believe a particular religious narrative for that purpose and intention. And I'm wondering if Lennox belonged to some other faith, wouldn't he still have the same ideas, just changed to fit that faith? Or if he just believes in the universal creator, without giving much thought to the earthly ideas of the creator, I'd have much more respect for him.
I'm not getting into what is meant by atheism, like whether it's believing that there is no god, or not believing or being convinced on the existence of a god, and all that. Because the discussion here is the philosophical notion of the existence of god, and it too, like mathematics, stays free of the physical world. But, this argument is kind of a gateway to theism. You start with the philosophical idea of god, then dumb in down to a god with more or less human mind, then double down on that concept and say the god is in fact in the image of a human, and his son walked among us.
I'm glad to discuss this further, you don't necessarily have to be civil or respectful to me, just be clear on what you have to say.
P.S : On the presenter's remark that atheists are adamant that god does not exist,
Yes, some atheists and antitheists are convinced that god does not exist. But some like me, don't know whether or not god exist, and just are not convinced by any of the human narratives for it. Also, mirroring this sentiment, all theists are adamant that god does exist, all of them. There's not a single theist believing that it's only a chance that god exists, that's one definition we can all agree on.
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I don’t know what I was expecting when I clicked on this video lol the first few minutes were already “math is perfect therefore god”
He doesn’t put anything forth as “proof” he gives a long list of evidence, when it all comes together it points to God.
We don’t know the secrets of the heavens but we can see it in action.
@@isakdahl7875there's no evidence here. Just some wrong speculations. And some dumb corelations.
@@jeemonjose God is a fact, we can only search for more knowledge
Each video is a breath of fresh inspiration. So grateful for your uplifting words! ❤
Lennox is so intelligent and such a blessed man
1. Is there only one god, or are there multiple gods? If multiple, how is a person to choose which deserves obedience?
2. Would you agree that before anything can exist, something has to create it?
Did your god create everything? If yes, who/what created your god?
3. Is your god infallible?
4. Is your god omnipotent?
5. Is your god omniscient?
6. Is your god benevolent, or malicious?
7. If your god cannot make mistakes, then it follows that everything it creates is either perfect, or that your god intentionally makes things that are flawed. Would a benevolent god intentionally create something likely to suffer because of its flaws?
8. If your god can do anything, and it created the universe, why didn't it simply create a perfect world inhabited by perfect beings? If your god wanted obedience, and god is not malicious, why did god make disobedience possible?
If a parent had two little children, and came to them with a plate of cookies and said,
"These are the best cookies in the world, and I'm going to put them where you have to look at them all day every day.
You are NOT ALLOWED to eat these cookies, ever~!"
The parent then deliberately lets a crony into the house to mess with the kids.
The crony tells the kids "Eat the delicious forbidden cookies and you will turn into grown ups!"
Then, of course, the kids eat the cookies.
The abusive parent storms in, enraged. "How dare you ungrateful children! I am now physically throwing you out of my house.
You will live in torture for eternity as punishment, and all of your children will automatically also suffer torture all of their miserable lives".
Wouldn't a parent like that belong in an insane asylum, or at least in prison?
Suppose the parent had the ability, at any time, to bring the kids back to paradise.....instead, he says, "well, I'm going to TORTURE TO DEATH my favorite son, and THEN, if you obey me like a zombie slave from now on, you can come home"
Wouldn't that parent deserve only HATE, not obedience?
9. If your god knows everything, does it already understand every thought and feeling you have? Does it instantaneously know everything you say and do? If yes, what is the point of religious rituals, such as prayer?
10. Why would an omnipotent and omniscient god not communicate directly and unambiguously with individuals, with no need of books, churches, prophets, signs, miracles, etc?
If a person is not intelligent enough, or not "worthy" enough to speak directly with god, whose fault is that? Who made the person in the first place? If a person is unworthy or incapable of directly communicating with god, how can that person be capable of recognizing a valid spokesperson for god?
11. Think about the person/people who convinced/persuaded/ordered you to believe in a version of god. Are they infallible? Is it at all possible for them to tell you something they sincerely believe, but for that thing they tell you to be actually incorrect?
12. Are feelings reliable tools to guide actions? Suppose I hear a person in my neighborhood talking a lot about the presence of violent break in robberies nearby, and I get apprehensive. I am convinced by the passion my neighbor puts into this story, even though I've seen no tangible evidence. That night, I hear a noise. I FEEL certain that it is a robber breaking in to harm my family. I get out of bed, pull a pistol from the bedside table. Without opening the bedroom door, I shoot through it to get the robber. When I open the door, there is my son, lying dead on the floor from my bullet. I was sure. I relied on my feelings. My fear of a robber. My hope of being a defender father. Feelings, not facts. Was that a good way to live my life?
14. Do you deny that religion (superstition, irrational behavior) is the root cause of most human conflict in history, that for centuries millions have been tortured and murdered "because god told me to do it"?
13. Suppose a person has a book full of maps to guide a group journey. They rely upon it, but the group is perpetually lost.
You question the map book, but your friend insists that the map book is flawlessly accurate.
"How do you know?" you ask. They reply, "I know that this book is accurate and perfect, because it says so in the book."
Your friend insists that the map book is information from god.....but some other people wrote the book, based on their interpretations...why? Why didn't god write the book personally? How could information possibly become more accurate and truthful when filtered thorough con men?.....but that is okay, because of how passionately they shout about their version of the book, and how strongly it makes your friend feel.
When you show them hundreds of self contradictions in the book, they get upset and say that you are just not reading the book correctly.
Which person is messed up? You, or the book fanatic?
How do you justify cherry picking which parts of the bible to follow? Leviticus? Jesus clearly stated he is there to uphold ALL of the law. Do you obey it all, or dodge and rationalize and ignore the insanity and vicious hate that makes up most of the bible?
14. If the point is to die and go to heaven, why not simply commit mass suicide and get it over with?
Christ was quite literally a kamikaze; is that what you preach should be emulated in daily life?
15. Why is it necessary to use superstition and irrationality to justify your practical principles?
Why treat humans like a donkey in need of the stick of hell and the carrot of heaven?
If you want positive secular behavior, why not justify that behavior in practical terms?
Why do you need to use HATE and FEAR to get people to OBEY your literally INSANE beliefs?
Wake up. Reality is OBJECTIVE, not subjective.
Religion is a SCAM used by con men to exploit the weak, the desperate, and the stupid. Use your brain, not your feelings.
What kind of organization calls itself loving and benevolent while calling you disgusting sinful and vile? What kind of organization requires your UNQUESTIONING obedience and GROVELING submission?
My brother said to me once "Lynn, Math is the language of God. We may not know the math yet but it is HIS language". I was mesmerized by that.
My brother went from being diagnosed as a borderline sociopath as a young boy, to becomming somewhat of a ruffian, to finding TWO THINGS in his LATE 20's. GOD and a LOVE FOR MATH.
I digress: He became the sweetest most loving brother! Our childhood hatred towards each other turned into becoming BEST FRIENDS!
His idea of relaxing was working equations. He was TEACHING HIMSELF QUANTUM PHYSICS up until he died at 45yrs old.
But I had always thought God and Science was in total conflict of one another. Canceled each other out.
My brother expressed it simply enough for me to comprehend, as I have dyscalculia.
28 years forward I look at nature w even more wonder! I hope we never figure out how dragonflies maneuver. . .
Lynne, if we do find out how dragonflies move, it will just be more wonderful. ❤
@@robtooley4002 Countries will apply that movement to developing new war machines. The video host even mentioned that. Humans like nothing more than to annihilate one another.
There's so much of God's Math I hope we never discover. I read something a scientist remarked "Tho we can take apart a blade of grass and analyze it we cannot make one".
When I look at the tiniest of seeds I marvel at the 'PROGRAM' that dwells within... (let's not go down the GMO path here). The MUSTARD SEED kind of marveling that's in the Bible
If god speaks math then why is there a zero? Why do equations end up as singularities. God can't answer that. So math is math, not gods language. Math is the language of money... the root of all evil.
@Flyweight.8 Why would we blame God when we have free will (the choice to do good or evil)?
@esthete.101 How come some of us can change our behavior and some of us cant?
Love your videos brother. Glory to God; he is reaching out to his children in all types of ways, truly a miracle.
I am certain of God beyond a doubt the thing I struggle with is religion taught by man. I believe there are many truths in many religions, but I have to say Christ is who I decide to follow and deeply respect other faiths and again believe Jesus is the nucleus of it all and believe all true seekers end up following the King of Kings!
No one can be certain of God's existence. I and anyone can accept that you believe. Belief is not certainty.
I'm with you! I pray and I speak with God, but I have a hard time with church. I'm still glad they're around, there's a lot of people that need it to have a sense of community. But all I need, is my own personal relationship with God.
Jesus claims that he is the only way to be saved, as he is the only perfect being that paid for your sins, therefore all other religions do not lead to salvation. How can one “deeply respect” other religions that lead people away from Jesus and lead them straight to hell?
@@razorbeard6970with this way of thinking you can’t be certain about anything
@@lasy_hope5597 We're not talking about anything, we're talking about nothing, we're talking about certainly of God. This is something you can't, regardless of your thinking or logic, be certain of.
Man he is one of the greatest. love his breakdowns
He is the king of bloviation, nothing more.
@@johnhammond6423 thanks for your opinion its noted. Lol
@@Jair2435
Your welcome. 😊
But what I said is not an opinion, its a fact.
Lennox has never presented any good testible verifiable evidence for God ever!
@@TheOnlyClore72
I don't have to prove a God does not exist. Atheism is a lack of belief in a God, not a positive claim that a God does not exist. A God could exist but there is no good evidence that he does.
It is you that makes the positive claim that a God exists so its you that has the burden of proof.
So where is your evidence for God?
@@johnhammond6423Atheism is still a belief, a belief in no god. You still have to prove that what you believe in is true.
Suppose there's a dead body in a room. Some people say there was a murderer; you say there wasn't because it was suicide. Or an accident.
"Can you prove there was no murderer?"
"I don't have to; it's you who claim there is one to prove your statement."
See how helpful you are to that case? The detectives would think you're a nutcase for reasoning like that. Your claim of "no murderer" as a positive statement is "it was suicide/accident". Thus your claim of "no god" as a positive statement is "it was an accident/the universe that poofed everything".
Go ahead and prove your claim now.
"Lets reason together"
You nailed your intro.
The universe had been here for billions of years before we came along and it will be here for billions of years long after we've gone. So no matter how much you want to believe it I doubt if it was all spoken into existence by your favourite magic man in the sky, saying that, if it gives you pleasure and you get a feeling of well-being from believing it, please go for it.
What is amazing to me is the order we find in the universe around us. The laws of physics, chemistry, electromagnetism, logic, cause and effect. Clearly, the universe exhibits design everywhere we look. And if there is design, then logically there must be a designer.
If that is the case, from a specifically biological perspective, wouldn't all the systems of life be fully optimised and withought flaws? Also your observation of the laws of physics etc implies that complexities cannot arise from less complex things. Just a thought
I listened to Professor Lennox so much I pretty much know what he's going to say and I never get tired.
Then you are very well brainwashed, well done!
@@rozzgrey801 How so?
After watching this I have to say my atheism is still completely intact.
How can anyone believe that just because someone said there was a god, that there is a god? Are religious believers prepared to believe anything just because it makes them feel better? My heart goes out to the people who need religion to get through their day, it really does.
I need and needed, a FAITH in G-D who I believe is JESUS CHRIST to live my life in a useful way; that journey began summer 1974; for me John 3:16 was all there was
@@davidmiles-hanschellWhat is Faith? Faith is believing something when you do not have any evidence for that something, if you had evidence then you would not need Faith. All religions are called Faiths because there is no evidence for any of them. Faith is just clutching at straws. How about this? Everything living thing alive today will die and that's the end, except for us, what's so special about us? we can imagine a heaven, so for us there's going to be a heaven, there is no heaven but we tell ourselves there is and we die happy. Then it's the end.
Makes my HEAD HURT!!! 😮😅 My brain is simple and happy! I love Jesus and I'm sticking to it☝️☝️
This guy, Lennox, is AWESOMENESS IN ACTION! Love listening to him....just like Chuck Missler....🤯🤯🤯
happy to hear your reference to Chuck Missler !
Perfect example of why most people follow religion.
Love this content brother. Keep up the great work!
Thank you!
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom One of the best mic drop moments of this clip is when he states that the atheistic worldview followed through to its conclusion actually destroys rational thought. Wow! Powerful stuff! Extremely compelling.
Thank you for putting these up. People ask me often how I can be a scientist and a Christian, it’s because I’m a Christian that I’m a scientist.
I have found in recent years that math and science are being sacrificed because they prove God’s hand in our existence.
The belief that God and science are a contradiction is a fairly recent idea.
Amen God did you heard it❤❤🙏
As an atheist i do not see the contradiction between religion and science. Nor do i think it points at god. So there is no need to sacrifice or hide work.
As a mathmatician myself, can you give an example of math being sacrificed? I would very much like to know.
Speaking one scientist to another, you clearly have to use critical reasoning skills when you are in the laboratory doing science - otherwise you could be a scientist. So how do you shut these critical reasoning skills off so easily when you leave the lab and go about your Christian life. I never could flip back and forth between being skeptical and needed evidence to support every claim I was making in the lab and then accepting things on faith without any evidence in my non-professional life. The cognitive dissonance was just too much, so I abandoned my religion.
@@aidanya1336 That didn’t make sense to me either. An example would be helpful.
Love this!! Enjoying your content! ❤️
Hebrews 6:18-19 New Living Translation (NLT)So God has given both his promise and his oath. These two things are unchangeable because it is impossible for God to lie. Therefore, we who have fled to him for refuge can have great confidence as we hold to the hope that lies before us.
I love that there are mathematicians like this out there.
Id that how maths works for you? If you can't get the right answer you just pray for a miracle?
@@rozzgrey801tell me you didn’t actually watch the video without telling me:
it is a shame
this guy is deep, and you can't go deep until you contemplate HIM who is beyond all mind, thought, logic and even being
Bah, happens all the time...no god required.
@@flashoftruth You mean "I don't want a God".
But Atheism absolutely requires magic. You actually do believe in a god. Your invisible sky-daddy triune creator god's name is "Natural Selection, Time, and Chance".
Tell me..... how did magical talking fairy rocks tell this god who's name is "Natural Selection, Time, and Chance" that humans need rules to peacefully co-exist, and that the universe needs laws of logic, math, etc.?
Can you demonstrate these magical talking fairy rocks?
Since you believe that we are nothing more than molecules, then this information must be codexed into our DNA with, and also magically inserted into the universe.
Molecules have no mind. Chemicals don't reason, chemicals react.
Random particles bumping into each other with no plan is a silly thing to believe created all of this. Silly.
Some type of magic is required.
So it is either magical talking fairy rocks, or it is God.
Whatever magic that caused all this.... that's what we call god.
Dwight, YOU are beyond all help, you are deluded, a victim of wishful thinking.
"If the universe made no sense we would never be able to discover that"
Yeah i had to pause the video for a bit and chew on that haha
Same!
Atheist are right because they say so.
@@Daily_Dose_Of_Wisdom And yet we have discovered a phenomenon within the universe that does not make sense: Quantum entanglement! (what Einstein called 'spooky action at a distance'). It is completely counter-intuitive.
True there is a lot of (way above my head) maths behind the phenomenon, yet that can't explain how particles can correlate over any distance. No one can explain it.
I would love to know what Mr Lennox's, and others, opinions are on this! Really interesting video. Subscribed.
God Bless John Lennox. He has built his house on the stone of CHRIST. He stokes my spiritual fire
Thank you for dropping this golden nugget of knowledge
Knowledge would require some evidence for a god.
I just found this video and love it. I was having this conversation with my 14 yr old daughter last night attempting to get her thinking outside of the box about the universe and all that is in it and how it is all interconnected mathematically. Just love it. Thank you for creating this content.
Why not just teach her mathematics and spare her the woo?
@@mcmanustonyStop wasting your time here and leave people alone
@@Josh_elitesandcastles your permission to comment isn’t needed and won’t be sought.
I’ve watched a couple of videos presented by the spineless, lying degenerate who hosts this channel- the algorithm throws up more.
Who do you think you are?
why? it is not like your kind can leave people alone!
@@Josh_elitesandcastles
@@HarryHab-w9k Okay! Continue👍👍
I'm an aspiring apologist and gracious student of John W. Montgomery and his Academy. This might be my favorite TH-cam channel to supplement, encourage, and inspire my work as a Latin and doctrine teacher. Thank you for this good, true, and beautiful project.
I love math. I’ve always associated math with the language of God and God uses science to explain it to us. Poetry is the love language of good
When I first became a believer at 21 years i decided mathematics could very well be the fingerprint of God, studied in every created thing. It was a couple years later when i learned others had come to the same conclusion way before it came to my mind.
If God could not make 1+1 equal something other than 2 then he had nothing to do with it.
@@stephenolan5539 @stephenolan5539 that's the stupidest argument I've ever heard. He designed all of creation. Mathematics is how it works, explains the design and informs is how to work in it.
Saying God is a failure for not making 1 + 1 equal something other than 2 is a failed argument. Creation would be chaotic and there would be no understanding anything. Mathematics, physics, geometry, etc would be invalid and if no use.
You have as well had said if he can't make blue red then he's weak. If he can't make the inside of the balloon the outside while remaining the inside then he fails. These arguments prove nothing as they are based on stupidity. They are meaningless.
When studying mathematics you find some interesting things that we just believe with approximation because the solution shoots off towards infinity. For example 1 divided by 2 (in base 10 mathematics) creates 0.5 in decimal form. This is exactly one half in our minds. However, 1 divided by 3 results in 0.333 with a repeating decimal 3 to infinity. However, again in our minds this is exactly one third because we've rounded it off, got tired of adding threes and said ok that's enough. This result makes no sense because to see the EXACT decimal form of 1/3 you'd need an infinite amount of time to write it out....and yet we just believe it is exactly one third because that's what we're told. That's either irrational, or an extreme form of faith.
The consensus in mathematics is to put a dot above the third recurring number to indicate it repeats infinitely. Or use a number base of a multiple of three where it can be shown exactly, rather than a ten base number system.
There is more than one way to write the notation of a number.
For example, 1/2 = 2/4. Same thing for 1/3 = 0.333...
Wait...What? This is no act of faith. We don't accept it because we are told to do so. 1 divided by 3 is the very definition of one third. And we aren't rounding anything off. 0.333... is precisely one third.
m8, in highschool you learn (atleast here in the netherlands) that when you do math you always wanna stay exact. Writing 1/3 as a decimal is simply not something you should ever do. Just like you just leave a square-root as such. We very much know that 0,333 isn't exactly 1/3.
If i wrote down 0,3333 when it was 1/3, my teacher would say that it is wrong.
Outside of math you can do this, but only because the slight difference is irrelevant in that situation.
It is because a base 10 system is simply incapable of presenting some numbers exactly. They are called irrational numbers.
This is why we have a letter to represent some numbers. like pi, because it isn't 3,1415
It's irrelevant what the Base 10 representation of 1/3 is. It may be more relevant what the Base 2 representation is.
One of the awesomest things of God is that he has languages we don't understand and I think of one of his most spectacular languages is his language of math. I had a teacher who had a picture of the universe would just a black background and stars and each star was represented by a certain mathematical symbol or representation of math. On the bottom of the picture it said the mathematical language of GOD
who says it is a he?
This has me greatly excited. I'm a committed "atheist", and yet I've never truly fit into their group. Most atheists believe as is said here: there is NOTHING. I almost hurt, physically, at wanting to know I will be with my late, beloved husband-somehow, somewhere on some level. Your video is thrilling to me. But, I so wish he would not use our words "faith" and "god". Thank goodness he states twice that he is not a Christian. Thanks for this.
BRILLIANT!
There are many seemingly intelligent people but only a few can see what's in their own mind.
Welp I found my study for the day... GOD, math and science... Also i appreciate your content man. I really do... May God continue to bless you brother 💪🏿
Thank you my brother!
I could listen to Dr John Lennox all day😊👏 I just love him
Scrumptious, joyful, exciting, wonderful and totally heart warming, beautiful lovely video. Thank you
Let me get this straight, so in order for something to exist, it is logical that it would have to have a "creator", ...then who created God?
The most brilliant, intelligent, and mathematical individual I have ever met believed that God was and is real because of how perfect math is. Math is so beautiful when you look into it and do equations; it’s truly God’s way of communicating with us.
Its the Language of the Universe, if that is your definition of God, then yes. Otherwise using Mathematics to justify the existence of a deity does not work.
@@jonathanbyers791 Then how can a machine make itself? Artificial intelligence didnt come to exist by itself. Flowers dont sow themselves in the ground, the streets dont make themselves. Everything has a design no matter how big or small. Faith is what moves everything.
@@jonathanbyers791 Really? How does it not work? Please provide a coherent rebuttal to the video using facts, logic, reason, and evidence.
I think you mean the Bible. God never said anything to me using math, unless it was not to study mathematics.
Jonathan, I did it above using a tautology, which you probably know is math. And it was kind of easy. I am pretty proud of myself. Well proud of the gifts that God has given me, like a superior intellect. Pride in myself would be bad, you can tell who the real Christians are in the comments by if they are humble and making a good point in love. But the white washed tombs are the ones who are not acting in love toward the unbelievers who have joined us on this channel. I am not going to scroll up and name names but I think if you left a not so nice comment, you know who you are. Now might be a good time to ask your Heavenly Father for forgiveness. Even the godless resemble God and deserve love. As to math I don’t understand it but God is easy to understand.
Joe Rogan should have this man on before he passes away. Come on #joerogan dont be afraid of an Oxford Mathmatician.
That would be amazing!!
I'd also like to hear him chat to J Peterson and Ben Shapiro. I could imagine him slowing Ben down to normal conversational speed🙂
@@tommarshall7247 Ben has been on Rogan and has communicated his thoughts on how " Jesus was a common criminal and got what He deserved." Maybe you should stop paying attention to Ben.
@@goodnews559 Thanks. Every person is precious in God's sight and understanding where they are coming from helps you communicate with them. Mr Lennox would maybe be able to get through to Ben in a different way, because of his rare capacity for gentleness, humility and directness and toughness, because he walks closely to God but also listens well. I don't agree with Ben on many many topics, but I listen from time to time, because I get an insight into how some people think, and he is sometimes insightful, himself. So, I think paying attention can be good, even to people like Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, and Muslim apologists- and that attention can lead you to see rare pieces of common ground, but also how empty some of their arguments are- but taking their opinions unquestioningly is another matter and would be very very foolish.
Thanks for sharing your collective wisdom Thanks Lennox ❤
Absolutely groundbreaking!
This makes complete sense of all what brings us about with our existence of reality.
We are not just a corporeal manifestation of clumped matter and cells put together, but derived from a specific design, for a specific nature, into a specific purpose.
This is extremely amazing knowledge of realization.
Phenomenally mind boggling
Yes & Amen!!
@Cantstanya lol
Like a child wanting to revolt who chooses to stay blind.
God doesn’t want blind following sheep but us to be at our absolute best in a righteous manner to be equal amongst His Kingdom and to walk alongside Him as an entire being of self and connectivity.
You are afraid of having a relationship of God because you anchor yourself to your humanity not to entrust your entire being to something outside of your physical form.
Stay strong and virtuous and may you be Blessed by Him, Father God Yahweh
Only recently was your channel recommended to me, you've been on YT for almost 10 years and it seems like only recently you started to get recognition, you do a great job at breaking down these complex conversations for the layman to understand. In other words you're a great teacher to take complexity and simplify it. So often do I run into these videos on YT and people in the comments are just mocking or dismissing the Christians due to misunderstanding of what was said and explained in the debate/intervie/video. I can comprehend most of it but it's difficult for me to simplify it to other people in a way that's easy to understand for them. Great job you're doing and glad to see your channing doing so well. Taking the complexities of God and reasonings and being able to convey them in a comprehensible manner is a great gift, from a stranger on the internet to another, from a borther in Christ, keep on going my brother.
I don't really understand what the point is. If you come up with an equation that doesn't work, you discard it. You only keep those equations that are part of a model that works. As we discovered with Newton a good model doesn't mean you've found some deeper truth. Newton was wrong about what gravity was but his model still worked.
I think the only people that think math is somehow magic are people that aren't very familiar with math.
What too is interesting is, that across all cultures, all epochs, it were the priests, monks, druids and shamans who also were the scientists, astronomers, doctors and scholars and it was the temples, cathedrals and holy sites, that were built over generations with the highest level of knowledge about architecture, material science and engineering, and it was also them who brought us hospitals, schools and universities.
And yes, that there's order and laws in this at first glance seemingly utter and omnipresent chaos of the universe, that it makes sense and that things fall into place, with or without us, eventually, is a difficult thing to reason away.
Very flawed. Read some history about religion and science.
@@shirleybradshaw1288 so it's not churches, temples and other religious structures that are most impressive, it wasn't monks and nuns running schools and hospitals and herbaries and breweries and distilleries, it isn't because of religious teachings that there's universities, and no one went to a shaman when they needed healing, and none of them studied and charted the stars?
What should I read? What is flawed?
Darwin didn't study theology?
Mendel wasn't a monk?
All the psychoanalysts aren't Jews?!
Just subscribed! Even though im an athiest, I still love the videos. Such interesting stuff.
Same with me
I'm not an atheist but I SUPER appreciate how you convey humility and respect when someone speaks against what you believe. I'd shake you hand and buy you dinner (if you were present) for your mannerism. Amen to you man. Thanks for being respectable and peaceable. Many (theists and atheists) cannot say the same.
Just come across your channel, great content, subscribed. I read God's undertaker by John many years ago,excellent book. The more you study science the more it becomes obvious that there is an intelligent designer behind it all. God speed.
Thank you for this video. As you implied,It’s easy to not fully comprehend the significance of this conversation. I’m starting to think the meaning of life is to try to get thru the next 5 minutes without doing something sinful or stupid
Well, if you actually wasted those 5 minutes listening to him...you did something stupid.
The meaning of life is to grow closer in your most important relationship, the one with God.
If you do that, the rest happens on its own, as you will become more like him.
@@itukuppoo4280 Wow, you're so edgy 🙄
I also wasted 15 minutes waiting for some revelation which related to the title. All I heard was waffle from someone with the arrogance to believe that the human mind/brain has to be made by a god/human intelligence rather than millions of years of random mutations. He comes over as having a very narrow experience which I am sure is not the case. Of course I came to this with atheist expectation bias so I missed out on the wonders perceived by the true believers.
@@stephendavies6947 Counter-arguments with rationality and reason please, not ad-hominin attacks. Try that. Give us a valid counter-argument against his.
"Millions of years of random mutations"??????? There has never been observed an alive or dead inter-species. Ever.
Macro-evolution simply has never been observed.
Thanks!
Thanks TJ!
I often have to pause and rewind while listening to John Lennox. Great Vid!
To put is simply, the mind is the soul.
Dope video! The gentleman doesn't push any religion, just a reasoning for a creator and architect. He conveys his views rationally and with great humour.
Politely, Religion is a product of man, Spirituality is a product of ......your soul and faith!! Nothing wrong with either until they are corrupted by man!!
@@wp4934is another imagining they can stand in a bucket and pull themselves up by the handle. God reaches down to elevate whoever would accept His religion, His Word creating only one religion. Corruption in religion is inspired by those siding with demons against the one religion God, Jesus, invited all to join. Religion is never at fault, only the liars, the corrupters. Obviously, religion, a product of God, is blameless. Liars shift blame from themselves to the eternally blameless.
It is nonsense reasoning. You can have feelings either way but the argument is bunk. If the universe exists and works then there are regular laws and mechanisms that make it work and any way you figure out to describe them would make you end up with a working system that all fits together, if not reality wouldn't exist. You are trying to make circular reasoning not be circular reasoning because you feel really strongly about it.
thats because religion shouldnt be in it in the first place, its all spiritual. Spiritual atmosphere is everywhere. Religion, is bondage and harm.
Two of my favs:) Powerful conversation, thanks for sharing.
Mr Lennox is a treasure. Thank you brother Brandon for these blessings
Blessings fam 🫀
Thank you for this. I recently stubbled across your content and its so well thought out, i love how you present and its just so calm and easy to understand. Great job !
The Argument from Reason is really interesting, but it definitely takes you down some deep, dark rabbit holes. I'd love to do more study on it. I think it's interesting to discuss, but I'm not sure how far I could take the discussion if pressed in key spots. Lennox and Lewis are great resources for it. William Lane Craig recently put out a video about the applicability of mathematics to the physical world as a theistic argument (nat. theology I suppose?). Great coverage. I'll have to find that talk with Metaxas.
What is this particular Argument from Reason? Please present it or provide a citation for it.
@@Theo_Skeptomaii am wondering what arguments had been made anywhere in this video as well. I can only see a series of declarations they never once expanded on.
There were not any arguments made just baseless assumptions and conclusions.
@@kos-mos1127 Yet you offered no actual rebuttal with facts, logic, and reasonableness.
You just made a baseless assumption and conclusion.
@@Theo_Skeptomai Oooh poor Theo. Why are you still trolling these channels? I've busted you so many times, it actually should be embarrassing for you to even stay an Atheist.
John Lennox is one of the greatest thinkers ever.
God bless him🙏✝️
if a guy who says MrFord created a car so God must exist is the biggest thinker of humanity then there is no future for us. He also said forgiveness without torture , humiliation and pity has no sense 😂
@@hubertkudyba2397 oh dear, you’re one of those… Lol.
Did you actually watch the video and see how he made the comparison?. He was discussing two things being equally true at the same time. If you couldn’t figure that out, then even a child could see you need to go back and seriously rethink your backwards inability to comprehend things that don’t fit your narrative.
Secondly, what are you talking about??… Forgiveness without torture??. Pity has no sense??. By all means explain in detail… Which I assume will be something like your interpretation of his Henry Ford example… Utterly clueless, with a manufactured a narrative around it. You’re certainly not convincing me, but I don’t believe you’re even convincing yourself. The guy literally handed Hitchens his backside in a debate, by hitchens own admission. So apparently, you’re utterly shining in your brilliance, and math geniuses, and even your so-called top atheists are wrong… Lol. The problem isn’t him, the problem is you. When you’re committed to backwards ideology, there’s no convincing you otherwise… You will go down with the ship.
A great mathematician, and a great inspiration. Especially for the Christian mathematician or scientist, so great to hear this guy. It can be lonely in the science/math world being a Christian.
a great laugh too, what a funny, silly old man.
@@HarryNicNicholas Refute his arguments with reason and rationality, you funny, silly old man.
@@CelticSpiritsCoven There's no such thing as god. There you go, simple. If the fraud was a real scientist he wouldn't allow himself to be such easy prey for pure wishful thinking, which is all god amounts to.
@@rozzgrey801 Show me evidence for an inter-species. Do you have a fossil, dead animal, or alive animal of an inter-species?
Blind faith without a shred of evidence.... the Atheist cult members warn people about this, yet they don't have a shred of evidence that macro-evolution is true.
Atheism is irrational nonsense built upon wishful thinking and no evidence.
arguments? _arguments?_ 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣@@CelticSpiritsCoven
"If you're living like there's no God, you'd better be right."
You’d better hope you’re worshipping the right god otherwise you’re screwed.
@@drzaius844 I love the fact we converted "heathens", who worshiped the sun - the reason for all life on earth, to worship our man in the sky with a beard. PMSL - oh the irony
@@drzaius844you are screwed regardless though
@johnfoord9444 god is everywhere not just in the sky duh
@@johnbowers7044 you wish. Which is disgusting. And no, your invisible non-being isn’t doing anything harmful to anyone. Relax and be less of a threatening jerk. Do better.
I feel for the first time in a generation Christianity is directly challenging atheism with science. If you notice the rise in atheists including comedians it is the realisation brilliant Christians minds are challenging atheistic dogma and that many atheists are getting nasty.
there wouldnt be atheists if they were taught the reality of the world. kids are trained in school to trust authority and not to think. only the "experts" know stuff. not knowing or asking questions is ridiculed. and you cannot be an expert if you dont regurgitate or if you disagree with the narrative. the more important question will be. Which religion is the true path?
@@conspiracy1914 The one jesus taught..Unfortunately some people twist it to suit their own framework.
@@conspiracy1914 you have said exactly what has been apparent to myself and many others for a while and it is quite sad.
@@conspiracy1914 Who does science? Scientists. Scientists are human and just as political and ideological as anyone else. Scientism is the new religion, and scientists are its priesthood.
@@ricksonora6656well said
Carl Jung gave me permission to entertain the idea reality consists of more than the physical.
He developed the idea that we ourselves exist as ghosts within and creators of the physical. This was an old idea of the religious, but from the materialist perspective the question of where consciousness originates, and why it is science is so focussed on objects that it is unquestioning of how it is that something can observe the object.
What is it that is watching.
I'm sure this has already been said to some effect below but... John Lennox is like you're ideal of a favorite grandfather. you can't help wanting to run up to him and give him a huge hug
"The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass God is waiting for you."
- Werner Heisenberg
That's an awesome quote
As soon as you said "lets reason together" I knew you were a Christian. "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." - Isiah 1:18
The big bang contain all of our atoms in a tightly packed area, my atoms, your atoms in my body, the atoms in your body, the atoms in the floor, your feet rest on at this moment, all of the energy of the universe at a single point in space-time that was the big bang. This being said we are all the same energy. We are all the energy of God the universe. The energy is indivisible. It is all the same. We are truly one with God. We are in gods like this because we are his energy science proves this.
I've watched so many of these Lennox destroys atheism videos but I'm still waiting for him to do it
The cultists lap him up and ignore his empty sack.
He just did
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Nah, it was just another embarrassing god of the gaps fallacy that is only convincing to people who already believe for emotional reasons.
@@ramigilneas9274 God of the gaps fallacy is debatable.. yet atheism in itself commits an appeal to nature fallacy. Sounds like hypocrisy.
Evidence is objective, proof is subjective.
Having a "smoking gun" is evidence of guilt
Believing in someone's guilt must be "subjectively", "beyond a reasonable doubt".
There is no evidence that consciousness exists in the brain. Love watching your great channel grow! God Bless you!
Really? Kill the brain and you don't have consciousness, cut the the leg and you have consciousness...the consciousness is product of the brain
Are you so ignorant as to suggest consciousness exists without a brain?
Well you have consciousness but not sure about a brain. Maybe you are correct.
@@TurinTuramber The brain is a receiver or a conduit. Instead of attacking someone because you do not agree, try a fucking argument.
@@TurinTuramber you know I am right