Why Moff Gideon DIDN'T STRUGGLE With the Darksaber (And Din Djarin Did)
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We take a look at why Din Djarin struggled with the Darksaber and why It was a better natural fit for Moff Gideon.
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Who did Sabine fight?? To get the dark saber?? Taking it from a cave is not fighting darth maul..
@@phillypaulwalker2155 Pretty sure it got stolen from her by a commando who she later beat with Ezra’s lightsaber so think of it like the Elder Wand
So the dark saber is the one ring?
Gideon seeing Din struggle with the darksaber: He is not up to Pollos standards
It is acceptable
I was beaten to the Breaking Bad joke. Congratulations, Dr. Jones.
@@Jamief1585 thanks lol
@@indianajones4321 i guess that joke belongs in a museum?
*glares at Din struggling* Do you find this acceptable?
Gideon may wield the saber like a drunk Ewok, but his mind is at least clear and his spirit focused on a single goal. He can’t fight, but man it weighs nothing.
I thought Rebels explained why the Darksaber feels heavy to some wielders and how it “loses weight.” I’m actually surprised this video didn’t address Sabine’s experience with the Darksaber.
Yeah I thought it’s cause it can sense negative emotions like anger and fear so if you’re wielding it in that state it becomes harder to use. Kanan explains it in that episode when he was training Sabein to use it. This vid was kinda poor tbh.
He’s explored this in a previous episode when din was first shown struggling with the darksaber
But Sabine got the history lesson that the Jedi won the war with Mandalore
@@benjaminhaslam3152 lmao
I didn't watch Rebels and thus I am very lost on why it feels heavy to Mando. Generation Tech does some great videos, but this didnt feel like enough of an explanation for this problem. Care to enlighten me?
It’s interesting because during their duel Paz Vizsla also has difficulty wielding the Dark Saber. So it is more than just a reluctance for power or a lack of ambition that makes it hard for people to wield the Dark Saber.
Moff Gideon was focused on his purpose therefore easily able to wield the DS. Din is at a cross roads and doesn't understand what he wants or needs to be. Therefore the Darksaber will always be a burden until he choses who he is.
It's unsurprising that Moff Gideon could wield the Darksaber. He was always a fantastic agent of the Empire. He also made the best chicken I've ever had.
He learned self control at Los Pollos Hermanos.
He is up to Pollos standards where Din Djarin was not
@@indianajones4321 He & Din Djarin are not the same.
What I figured was that the Darksaber is a bit more...sentient that most sabers we see. It has it's own criteria for its wielders. Most likely this criteria includes a singular focus on an objective, a refusal to compromise for any reason, or possibly working in tune with the saber instead of trying to just use it as a tool/weapon. It has a long history, I think we'd have seen or heard about others having these same issues if it happened consistently. Rather, I think that, before the Jedi reclaimed it, the Darksaber was handed down with lore and ritual and ceremony focused around how to properly use it, and what it needs to be most effective.
It will be Grogu who tames the galaxy with the Darksaber as an unstoppable force.
More sentient with a different criteria and expectations depending on the user! You mean kinda like the venom symbiot in Marvel? Like how venom treated flash Thompson, eddie Brock, and Peter parker (AKA spider man!) Very Differently in the Marvel universe!
Moljor of Star Wars lol
This was covered in Rebels... they had a whole conversation about the difference between being focused and being conflicted internally and how it impacts someone's ability to wield the blade, so that's really all it came down to between these two people. Even the blacksmith recognized the internal strife Mando was going through over Grogu and how it was impacting his ability to wield the blade.
I'd add the hemet removal to his inner conflict as well. Until he goes to Madalore and is cleansed of his sin, he will still struggle. I also find his unpainted armor telling, even the kid in 3-1 has his helmet already painted. Din's has always been bare, the helmet since the 1st episode.
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Me too! But why does Alan ALWAYS look like he JUST rolled out of bed, with a massive hangover to do the videos? 😂
From the baggy, wrinkled v-neck T, to the crumpled snapback barely on his head...
He its mijn favorite TH-cam channel tou
@@Dwendele bro is just living his best life. I’m here for the vibe 😂
If we go by this the Darksaber did not mind Maul too, that make 2 non Madolorian to have it!
Not quite true, Its suppoed to be the reason he put it down and used his own in rebels
@@wickedomen if maul didn’t like it or trust it he wouldn’t of used it against sidious
Also what makes u so sure Gideon is not from mandolore
I would so love to see a live action flashback of the history of the Darksaber in the Mandalorian Season 3
*Gideon:* I am going to glass Mandolore, and vaporize all of the Mandolorians.
*Darksaber:* Sounds Legit.
Okay let’s work together.
7:27 - honor is a very broad term.
for some, assasination is dishonorable but for others there is honor in serving and brining victory to their country/feudal lord/etc regardless of the methods used
The problem with honor is that there is nothing to stop someone from doing dishonorable things. Rules can be broken. The trick is not to get caught from doing so.
To quote someone way outside the Star Wars box, I believe Worf stated "Victory is the ultimate honor" to justify some older dishonorable Klingon actions
because him and din are not the same
"You get purged, I am the purger. We are not the same"
Come on, it's Giancarlo Esposito. One doesn't question the abilities of Giancarlo Esposito, he's too awesome!
I think we need a show where he is the main protagonist and is morally correct. Not only would seeing him in that role subvert expectations but he’s a really good actor.
@@Jamief1585 I'll honestly watch anything with him in it at this stage haha but yes that would be a really good idea!
I think it has to do more with Bo-katan and Din Djarin character. I think the sword is interested in leadership but in a neutral way. The Mandalorians have always been difficult group to keep united since they tend to become nomadic or subdivide overtime. You’re right to say the dark saber has been more trouble but not necessarily because of house Viszla and the dark saber ties but because the propensity of Mandalorians for infighting. The Jedi had years of instruction in morality and ethics before advancing while the Mandalorians were forged in battle. Din Djarin & Bo-Karan are still struggling with their pasts being involved in the more extreme Mandalorian factions so they are more naturally more hesitant to take up the Dark Saber. The real question is how whoever unites the Mandalorians. Will it be someone who is has a good degree of morality & pragmatism, a power hungry person like Gideon with few scruples or a person who subscribes to the New Mandolarians train of thought which is morally right but lacks pragmatism? Whoever it is will have to grapple the complex legacy of the Mandalorians. Unfortunately the Jedi had the force to unite and guide them and occasionally mislead them due to their dependence on it while the Mandalorians had only a warrior or mercenary culture to guide them which isn’t bad per se but it does leave alot of ambiguity which is kind of reflective of the Dark Saber. Hopefully the writers don’t write off the dark saber as darkside weapon but rather use it as a test of character for Bo-Kayan and Din Djarin future ambitions.
The Night of a Thousand Tears deserves its own movie so we can better see how Gideon came to posses the Dark saber.
I primarily want to see that because it would give us as an audience a lot to go on. Bo-Katan was personally in control of the Throne of Mandalore, for the second time mind you, and even with the support of all the Clans and the Rebel Alliance, she still somehow managed to lose the planet. I really want to see how inadequate of a leader she has been so that SOMEONE can bring it up eventually and tell us why the hell the Mandalorian people would even bother following Bo-Katan.
@Howling Fox Sports Kyle ren? You mean Kylo Ren. Also no. The Darksaber has no way of being connected to him. By the time TM happens Kylo was only 4 years old.
Also this what if is one you can do if Anakin Skywalker stayed on mortis like the father said to keep an eye out and check on his children he could have fulfilled the prophecy of the chosen one and bring balance to the force
But killing the children that represented the polar extreme versions of the force is an alternative.
I've always wondered what would've happened then. Honestly, I will say that it'll start with a galaxy-wide manhunt on both sides (because of the influence of Sideous) to look for him but eventually Sideous would alter his plans.
"Real power... isn't this. It's the ability to bend the world to your will. You would decide what the Mandalorians do. What causes they support. Full authority..."
Becuase they were confident in the goals and meshed with the power just like all of the bad guys that used it. It’s when a good guy who has no sense of direction and wants to walk many paths it becomes heavy.
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din literally spends so much time trying to pass the darksaber off that I wouldn't doubt if the Blades sentience is pissed about it lol.
Can we all agree that Gideon is one of Canon's best characters?
As unscrupulous as Gideon is, he is one of my favorite Imperial "officers". Plus Giancarlo Esposito is a really good actor.
Din Djarin just needed some training from Sabine, the previous wielder of the Darksaber
I love that Revolution reference I miss that show.
Maybe Gideon trained with Darth Vader or some other Imperial Dark Jedi, kind of like what happened with Grievous, who trained with Count Dooku. After all, Gideon is a professional, he wants his lightsaber skills to be up to Los Pollos Hermanos standards........
Gideon would not go into combat until his skills are… acceptable
@@indianajones4321 Indeed. The same can't be said of Din Djarin.
@@HolyknightVader999 he was not up to Pollos standards
@@indianajones4321 Indeed. He just picked up the sword and assumed he'd suddenly be good at it. He couldn't be more wrong.
You can’t take a step into the place where something delicious is always cooking without being up to date on lightsaber combat, lest you fall under attack by a Jedi or Sith.
That was a beautiful explosion.
The Darksaber has a mind of its own.
It was to heavy for the other Mando and he was a conquer and won it in combat. I think the key is is emotional focus. Din jarin isn't sure what he wants or how to live as a mandalorian. He's met three types, katan, children, and fett and he has tried to emulate all three.
Your comment makes the most sense
The fact that they threw in a picture of a commissar from 40k during their pictures of ISB agents😂😂I love it
Kind of a side note I think Gideon let din Jarin get the upper hand so he'd be defeated making it so bo katan can't take the darksaber
Loved this one. More of this please! Ps if you need dinne back up singing hit me up lol
Din Djarin will properly wield the dark saber in time once be finds his “Way”, because for each mandalorian the “Way” is different....Mandalore forever!!!
It’s simple really, “the plot needed it to happen!”
I think next season Din's gonna get some force visions from the Darksaber and become more attuned with the blade as he evolves over time
I think why bo-Karan didn’t take it again was because when she previously wielded it, it was also heavy for her and now knows she has to win during battle. It could also explain why Gideon is so ready to give it up
They didn’t think about adding the “being worthy” aspect until BOBF. Still wish they didn’t.
Take it with a grain of salt, it comes from someone who's been labeled a religious zealot.
Sabine had to "prove herself" to the saber in rebels. It's been established already the sword is nearly sentient.
i mean im sure it was already established in rebels
@@johnathanwalker8395 it was metaphorical in Rebels and she gave it away pretty quickly
@@helljumperodst6780 it was metaphorical in Rebels and she gave it away pretty quickly.
Giancarlo crushed that role! It was so awesome to watch him dance fight.
Gideon: I wielded the darksaber with ease. You struggle with it. We are not the same.
I do like how you refer to Moff Gideon as if Giancarlo's roles throughout all of cinema and tv are all one character. (They really should make it so Moff Gideon sells death sticks en masse and also owns a "pharmaceutical company" and "fast food chain")
The dark saber is one thing I wouldn’t stop until I’ve acquired if I ended up in the Star Wars universe.
My favorite bad guy actor.
My first question when that happen. "How TF did Gideon us the blade, when he literally destroyed the planet?"
It's a very durable lightsaber so not that surprising. Plus they stole all the Beskar, and that lightsaber is made out of that. It's a cursed object. Mandalor's best time was when the Darksaber was exiled to the moon. It came back under Death Watch and Maul. Sabine might be the exception, but it betrayed Katan and went to Gideon.
Los pollos was a front for gus giddion gym
Dear Alan. interesting topic. I wonder as we see Asoka defeat Maul when he was in possession of the darksaber but did not use it in that dule, if she should face it as she did free mandalor at that time. also Sabeen had no trouble with it before she defeated Gar who was also having no trouble fighting with it and it was only gifted to him by Ersa Who was gifted it by Sabeen. Seems like the rules change to me. As a new subscriber to this channel I am just throwing my thoughts out there to see what I can learn about this particular topic. Take care from your pal Helcat in Australia.
I would love to see Tarre Vizsla in a future star wars show. Maybe in season 2 of Tales of the Jedi
I was thinking the same thing that the dark sabers actually rejecting him, and there for it trying to kill him or get him killed. In a way I think the dark saber is a lot like the One ring in the middle of the rings.
I think you should do a video on it
Was not expecting that revolution reference in this video
I really liked that show
@@GenerationTech it was a very interesting premise I just wish it didn’t end in season 2
The idea that maybe the Darksaber isn't a good thing and shouldn't be used is a fascinating idea I hadn't considered before.
Loved the insightful speculation on the Darksaber acting like a jilted lover of Din. Makes me wonder if Xi'an (the Twi'lek on the Mandalorian) could be a natural wielder of the Darksaber based on their mutual disdain for Din not valuing them.
5:25 a rare Revolution references spotted in the wild
We will have to wait and see also do you think you can make what if Sifo-Dyas never died or what if Anakin Skywalker knew he was the chosen one
I think it's a mix of things. There is definitely a tie in as to the blade being from a Jedi and not just an ordinary Saber. But I think a large part if it is this. He didn't seem to be struggling too much when he used the Saber during the Bounty with the meat butcher guys. And then he injured himself when he was using the Saber. And after that the whole blade being heavy bit came up. I think when the Armorer says he is fighting the blade, he is afraid of injury again and thus is a bit more reluctant and fighting the movements. He is really the only person who had some difficulty using the sword and he is also the only one that injured his own self using the blade. And it was shown on screen too. It has to be an important detail that they wanted shown.
all false
just trash lore implemented in the last minute
lol u had to include Revolution show's Lt. Tom Neville. Also yeah Din loves Grogu.
That show was awesome hehe
I don't think you need to be a leader or want conquest to wield it. I think you need to be unwavering in your convictions. Din Djarin feels lost, and seems to feel like the responsibilities that have been thrust on him are weighing him down, the Dark Saber reflects this.
When we see that it was the most visibly heavy for him, is when he was forced to fight one of his on Kin, he was conflicted and didn't want to but was forced to anyway.
That makes alot of sense. It would also explain why Maul had to abandon it, when he bested Pre Visla it obeyed him fine, ot was only after Maul watched Palps kill his brother and humiliate him did he have doubts, causing the dwrksaber to rebel.
He probably struggled in the beginning just like everyone else but got accustomed to it. Din Jarin struggled using it when he was being taught by the armorer but as soon as he was disowned by his tribe he could easily use it in battle when he helped Boba Fett!
I like the idea that the weight of the darksaber is like a physical metaphor for the weight of leadership. Mando doesn't have any desire to be a leader so the darksaber is difficult for him to weald.
Umm, what? Tarre Vizla didn't 'leave his jedi life behind' or reunite the mandalorian clans, that is a straight up lie! I mean they even explain it in Rebels, after his passing, Mandalorians in House Vizla were able to steal the darksaber (likely during the Battle of Coruscant during the Old Republic due to happening in the same time period without exact dates and the fact that in Legends House Vizla was indeed with the Sith in the Sacking of Coruscant and we see the leader of Vizla and several other mandos fighting with the sith in the temple). Then House Vizla united the clans under the saber, not Tarre.
In rebels they say that the mandalorian take it back during the fall of the old Republic
@@victorgraf1841 yes, exactly, he had already died, which is why they were taking it.
you should do a video about earth vs the Galactic Republic
“the wand chooses the wizard, mr. djarin.”
Different writers have different opinions on the nature of the saber, but there is a unifier in that only a clear mind and focused warrior seems to be able to wield the saber. Even back when it was first introduced it didn’t necessarily buck against the person wielding it, but they knew the weight of the weapon they carried. Both literally and figuratively. The Mandalorian… Not so much. It’s a tool for him, not an extension of his will.
Part of why I liked the season two finale of the mandalorin he tries to pass it off straight up surrendering to who he thought would be a better leader only to be told it was unfortunately his. A clanless Mando without any true direction.
HAHA, what was that at the end of the video?! XD
It’s because their plot armor reacted differently to the dark sabers presence
Wtf was that last couple of seconds with him getting up 😂 was I the only one to notice?
At a guess because Gideon had years to familiarise and train himself with the weapon, as opposed to the couple of weeks or however long it was Din had. Neither current canon nor the old G-canon support the notion that Lightsabers have a mind of their own.
love seeing the warhammer imperial guardsman lol
i believe it has one of those actual sentient kyber crystals like from KOTOR 2.
Din was NOT "comfortable" with removing his helmet for the most part. MAYBE in front of JUST Grogu, but every other time he absolutely was NOT. He did it, but he wasn't comfortable with it. He was highly likely resistant. But his goal outweighed the tradition in the end.
6:37 sounds more like 40k Inquisitors than 40k Commissars.
I figured that the dark saber wants Din Jarin to unite the Mandalorians and reestablish Mandalore.
Although you may not be correct with the whole deserving leader theory I think you might have a point. Even if it has been in the hands of the mandalorians for so long the Darksaber still has Jedi wisdom within its crystal. I think it’s aware of the power it grants it’s wielder and can tell a true leader when used by one. You are correct, Din Djarin isn’t a leader just a humble father training his foundling. I believe the darksaber will be passed on to a capable leader in season 3.
Dark saber is the definition of a video game bosses weapon being op for them but trash for the player
In this case no, think of what the Darksaber is, a symbol,a hope of a people, a dark reminder of mistakes made and gone,It is a coin of both good and evil, Like all it's previous masters before Din,he must decide to embrace the weight of his people's hopes and defeats. And, carry that weight,or Leat that crush everything he holds dear.
Huge correction, mandalorians can remove their armor/helmets in presence of others. Just not the cult that Din Djarin was a part of "children of the watch".
I'd love to see a story where it comes out that Leia helped Gideon escape to help present the threat of the imperial remnant to the New Republic to get funding to rebuild the fleet.
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Can we see a world where Hughie and Billy(The Boys), Jessie and Walter(Breaking Bad), Mando and Grogu(the Mandolorian) all go after Gus/Giddion/Egars
Cause he chad just like most of the Mando's that used it.
Can you please continue the separatist alliance vs earth series please
Ummm if you seen rebels there’s an episode where it explains why the sword is heavy
Gigachad
Still waiting for a Post Visla.
That darksaber seems to be taking its toll on Djarin. Hopefully he will find a suitable wielder before it jeopardises his relationship with Grogu. I don't think Grogu might be ready to learn how to hold a lightsaber, much less the darksaber itself.
Jesse we have to stop Gus Fring he is unnaturally good with the Darksaber!
The easiest way to conquer a people, would be to convince them that a weapon designed to defeat them was to choose their ruler. It would litterally be telling them the truth even when openly ignoring the facts of the matter that it was meant to conquer them, not to lift them up. The weapon isn't a tool of enhancement, but one of subjugation.
Even though he won it on battle the Saber can since that he is not ready to lead with it. It's as if the Saber can since if the person whom holds the Saber is a true leader. Which is why it was easy for Sabin to wield yet difficult for Dutches Satines sister to wield it
It's because Din didn't have a Kid Named Finger protecting his other businesses
Din Djarin will make a fine soldier for the dolphin empire
To paraphrase Monty Python: "Madalorian Warriors fighting over a tarted up lightsaber is no basis for a system of governance." Or, from another source: "YOU ARE NOT WORTHY!"
Have you ever done a Star Wars DnD campaign? A lot of your videos seem to be tailored towards DnD.
Moff Gideon wanted a duel with Din, so injuring him initially wouldn't be honourable.
This video doesn’t touch on how lightsabers behave. They are plasma in an electromagnetic envelope. That electromagnetism causes them to be attracted to things, particularly other lightsabers but more than just that. The blade wasn’t too heavy for Din, it had s perceptible pull towards things it was attracted to
Perhaps it was just the conflict within Mando that was causing it to seem so heavy. Loyalty to his clan, to Mandalor, but more so to the baby Yoda... Gideon knew who he was and had strong purpose, where as the bounty hunter was a bit of a wandering idiot.
Just a theory; what if the white and dark sabers were meant for the perfect Jedi and perfect sith Lord to clash in a 1 on 1 duel match only to become a stalemate leading to the 1st 2 grey jedi using the rule of 2? Be the ultimate balance to the force?
The Jedi were alway taught to trust and follow where the force takes them. The sabers and kyber chrystals were shown to be connected to each Jedi and dark side users. And the force has been shown to be sentient. So what if the force is playing both sides like a chess board just like how Palpatine did in the clone wars?
Djin mastering the saver will turn it into white and maybe give him forcepowers..
6:28 That's W40k.
Pretty sure if you have some sort of internal conflict, the dark saber will be difficult for you as if it’s rejecting you. Din is having a whole mid life crisis about his cult but Gideon is very sure and confident of himself and his cause