Good video. I like to verify a gun is accurate with good/expensive pellets, then start testing with cheap pellets. I've gotten lucky a few times, where my rifle likes a specific cheaper pellet at 35 yards. That being said, I've also had it where the first tin of cheap pellets does well, but every other tin after that was not good.
Did my own test with spitfire's cheap pellets and webley powapell's and got the same results powapell's tight groups every time cheaper pellets random hits. I have subscribed as this guy obviously knows his stuff. I have only just started out and all the advice given has helped my shooting and saved me loads of time and money. Many thanks Dave
Thanks for the support. To the contrary, I am fairly new to Air Rifles myself, a few years in, but I go in with a logic approach and try not to follow the crowd and say what I see. Thanks for your support.
Good review. The best pellet for the price is the rws superdome they are accurate well made and are not to costly. All the expensive pellets do perform better than the cheap ones. Just make sure your rifle suits them. It does depend what you are doing with then though. If you want them for hunting or target then you want the best but if you are can bashing and plinking then the cheap ones will do. My friend some times shoots 500 pellets per day (no lie). He only shoots tin cans ect with a cheap springer. So the cheap ones are fine for him. Cheap pellets are cast and expensive pellets are swaged into a fine die. This makes them perfect and perfectly sized ect. Keep up the good work matey.
The horizontal stringing you are seeing it typically due to inconsistent breath control and elevated heart rate. A strong pulse will push the stock over and string them every time. I would try again an focus on good breathing, heart rate and trigger control. Great review. Really enjoying your stuff. I think your channel will do well.
you looked rock steady . it is variation in pellet wieght for lateral poi shift in an unwieghed tin it cn be up to a grains difference, at the same time varying head size . see vhtv for a vid on the subject . good luck . Also u have a left to right breeze . could explain the horizontal ;-)
Steve, I was very supprised by the result. Com ing back into airgunning after 20 years away, I'm re learning. Had my share of weihrauch's and bsa's back in the day. Back then Elet wasps were pretty good. But we used to use the English 5.56mm size in the German 5.5 barrel. This always worked very well and ensured a good gas seal. The 5.56 wasps also worked very well in the Bsa Stuzen which was my last sign giving sub 1 inch groups at about 30 yards for hunting rabbits. Maybe the quality has gone, but I do remember the pellets use to be lighter in colour and shine more. Regards.
Ben, this was just an example to show how important pellet selection is with rifles. Those wasps may work better with a "tighter" barrel. But in general, the more expensive the pellet (within reason) the better. What is important is to test many and select.
Good test! I launched my body weight in Eley Wasps as a kid through my knackered BSA Supersport in .22 - I seem to remember them having a blue lid back then. My Daystate AirWolf absolutely loves Bisley Magnums in .177, which are kinda cheap to middle of the road price wise. Have to use long(ish) pellets because the magazine jams with shorter ones. But that said, I have other rifles that don't like them at all, couldn't hit a bull in the arse with bizmags through my Scorpion. Brand wise I'd say my favourite would probably be H&N.
I recently changed from a Crosman Hollowpoint in .22 (14.3gr) to an H&N Field Target Trophy (14.66gr). As you have shown the finish, consistent molding, and certainly the increase in accuracy are marked. I spent hours each day trying to zero and not knowing what else I could do to bring my groups with the Trail NP2 down in size. I ended up chasing my tail and blowing off shooting in frustration. Now I check zero on the rifle and very rarely have to adjust, mostly just for weather and wind. I wasn't upset with the Hollowpoints, getting 2" groups of 5 at 28 yards, but I can halve that with the H&Ns.
It is amazing but there are people out there with bad quality pellets that are not consistent in their shape or finish but swear blind they work well in their rifle. Simple physics says it won't, but hey oh, if they are happy. Glad it worked out for you.
I have a Trail NP2 myself and the H&N Terminator 16.36 group near 1.5 inches at 30 yards. Switching to Superpoint Extra Fieldline 14.5 my groups are closer to 1 inch. I think the shape affects group sizes as well from my experience.
The Daisy .22 and .177 Hollow Points are very cheap but are now made in Spain and are very similar to the Gamo Red Fire without the polymer tip. They hold less than 1” at 50 yards which with their shape and BC of 0.018 makes them perfect for 50 yards or less and very backyard friendly. They expand violently on impacts and humanely take critters instantly. They perform well up to 900 FPS in my PCPs and even better at lower speeds. The lead is soft which with the large and deep hollow point expand reliability every time. They are NOT a replacement for a good JSB pellet in terms of accuracy by no means but they are a good economical pellet with good accuracy with a limited range of the average backyard. 7$ for 500 pellets a tin on Amazon in .22 and the .177 are like 4$ for 500. The pointed Daisy pellets are not the same by any way shape or form and have NEVER had any luck with them in any gun I own. Only the Daisy 15.4 grain Hollow Points made in Spain. The picture on the tin of the pellet is not what they look like at all and are what they used to be like when made in China. Pull the tip out of a Gamo Red Fire and you have a Daisy Hollow Point, same weight exactly. The Red Fire with the tip weighs 15.8 and without the polymer tip weighs 15.4. They are one in the same I believe just one has a tip and one doesn’t. Give them a try, for 7$ why not get some cheap trigger time with decent accuracy and performance. Your welcome. Thank you for the video and what you do for our shooting community. Much appreciated. Matching a pellet with a speed with a rifle barrel is trial and error but this find for me was just luck. I use these even in my SK-19 and even on full auto at 50 yards will hold a 1” group with a full magazine of 19 on my Caldwell Lead Sled. 900 FPS is about as fast as I can push them before I start to get flyers. Thanks again and take care.
hey up Steve, try falcon pellets about £8:50 for 177 and £10:50 for 22 s, I use them in both my hw95 s 177 and 22, also use them in my bsa r10 177,@ 25 metres with the r10 I can get 10 pellets though a hole the size of a 5 pence peace, great video mate !
I am sure that the pellets make a huge difference in the groups that you will be able to get! It takes experiments and experience to find the best ones for your guns. I have found that the RWS R10 MATCH are the most consistent for me. They come in a variety of sizes and weights.
Thanks a lot for the video. Finding this stuff out the hard way in my .177 Daisy 880. cheap pellets And quite a few "fancy looking" pellets fly absolutely everywhere
Excellent video, it really shows the difference in accuracy with cheap pellets. Funny thing though; my RWS 460 springer is super accurate with RWS supermag pellets, but terrible with cheap crosman pellets. However, my crosman 2100 is very accurate with the cheap crosman pellets and it's inaccurate with RWS pellets. Target range is 25 yards. Weird but it's true! I investigated this and discovered the bore diameter of the RWS 460 is .1775 at the breech and .1765 at the crown, so its tapered! The crosman 2100 bore is .1775 all the way through.
Yup, the major thing is it depends on the rifle. But once you find a good pellet, look for one that is the same and more expensive and try them and you may get even better results due to quality control. Not always the case, but usually you get what you pay for.
Same for me, the main 3 airguns in my collection that I enjoy shooting lately fortunately all took a liking to JSB jumbo heavy 5.52 head diameter. (HW97K, Gamo Coyote, Marauder pistol). But I do have one or two tins of all of the following: H&N FTT (5.53, 5.54, 5.55), H&N Baracuda Match (5.51, 5.52, 5.53), JSB Jumbo (5.51, 5.52), etc. Its usually the first thing I do when I get a new rifle, clean the barrel put a few through and try some groups with that selection. It gives me an impression of what weight and head size I should aim for, in addition to that measuring the velocity consistency with a chrony is a big help too. Beyond that I've also got leftovers of quite a few other things I've tried over the years, comes in handy at times but mostly they sit in a box at the attic.
Good video for new shooters, the only lower cost pellet I have found to be accurate is the Crossman (.177) also available branded as Silco (ex Brocock). About £5 a tin in bulk and a little light at 7.9 gr. My posh choice is QYS Streamlines.
Hi Steve. I own a BSA R10. Generally I shoot Sovereign pellets, but have now changed to Diablo Heavy. At 24 yards l am now achieving a 1 cm group. Thanks for your video, very helpful.
For hunting I always use a premium pellet like h&n or jsb , if I'm just looking to put lead down range plinking I use milbro Caledonian. If you haven't tried them, get a sample from eBay. Quite surprising. At 15 yards they group single hole through my theoben. At 50 yards they hit new potatoes every time. I've also tried them in two different springers and a c02 rifle with good results out to 30 yards. I was a pellet snob before I tried these.
I watch allot of these videos about not using cheap pellets and they always give me a good laugh because I have shot pellet guns for about 40 years and have found that for practical use there is not enough difference between the pellets to matter most people are only interested in back yard plinking and and not long distance marksmanship so for that most any pellet will do. 😎 My advice is get the ammo that you want to use expensive or cheap set your sights with that ammo and you will do just fine, Enjoy! 😎😎😎😎
@@gr-s2143 at 30 yards I shot a 1/2 inch group of 10 shots using $6.00 per tin of 500 Daisy Hollow Point .22 cal pellets using my Gamo Maxxim Gen 2 this morning, perhaps you need better aim LOL
I have a diana 36 that will put 5 in a hole the size of a pencil eraser at twenty yards with cheap pellets.I believe the barrel will decide what pellets will be accurate."But" you are right generally cheap pellets are not a good way to go.You did a good job with your video,Thanks. Oh,And I am an average shot,Not a Champ...
I'm surprised by the amount of snobbery with pellets. I recently purchased a second hand .22 Milbro Explorer for ratting near our bowling green. The Guy gave me half a tin of Spitfire pointed pellets which after zero-ing in consistantly gave five shot groups about the size of a 5p coin (18mm) at 10mtrs. I've not tried them at greater distances as the rats are used to bowlers being in close proximity but the Explorer seems to like them.
Superb vid, you are absolutely correct in what you say , it is so important with a sub 12 or any weapon to be as pinpoint accurate as you can be , .. Know you weapon, Know your ammo, and Know your capabilities.
Those Wasp are obviously trash. However there are some great cheaper pellets out there like the RWS Super H point and the Crosman Premier Hollow Point. I can put the Crosman pellet on pellet at 40 yards with my Hatsan Nova 22. I have over 30 different pellets in my inventory and what I found is every gun is particular to which pellet it likes and you have to try a variety. Thanks for the video.
@@airgunology Wow, surprised although I haven't tried those particular pellets. If you get a chance try out the .22 Copper Magnum Domed Pellet. Low cost and accurate.
I've use the JSB Heavy 5.5 mm, H&N Power, H&N Barracuda and ironically the Crosman Ultra Magnum 5.5 which shoots well in my Hatsan AT44 pcp. Each air rifle prefers It's own particular pellet to shoot from.
I found your TH-cam channel when I was looking here on TH-cam, to get some information BEFORE I branch out ( so to speak ) into the PCP airgun world of the hobby. So, I decided to subscribe and see what else I can find out. I appreciate the fact that you are not beholding to any particular manufacturer, as this lets you say exactly what you want . This is what I want sez I, so here I am!
That was an excellent video. Thank you for taking the time to make a very informative production. I am just getting back into plinking and am finding it difficult to get the groupings
Thanks mate, I have always heard you are better off with a cheaper airgun and expensive pellets than the other way around, never use the cheap pellets on game.
Interesting test. I would have expected better results at 25 yds, but there was a consistent low performance trend with the Wasps. I wonder how much of that variance is related to the head diameter. Finding the right pellet can sometimes be a matter of finding a pellet that consistently has the right diameter for a given barrel.
I suspect the advertised 5.5mm is wrong or poor quality control as you hint at. Wasp used to be a good make of pellet, but certainly quality has fallen.
Hi Steve thanks for all the advice and videos that you have done which has helped me tremendously with the video on the artillery hold to the pellets and I have joined your Facebook group. At the moment the only area I can fire my rifle is only 7 metres long and I have like u suggested go a selection of pellets now I know it's only 7 m but I have been able to put pellet on pellet with cheap pellets (£5.99 for 500 bulldogs) and up to mid range pellets but I'm amazed at how much difference there is in where the different pellets hit and the ones that was most of the bull was a 21grane heavy copper
The grouping with the Sovereign and Cricket was still awful considering the cost. 1 hole groups 5 shots with my 10 year old Air Arms Mpr-Ft at 30 Meters using Bisley Magnum.
Thanks Steve for that info. I have 3 guns all underlever, but 1 is a Theoben 90 Weihrauch, all .22 Testing out in the back garden I have mixed and matched, with Diablo exact Jumbo, Falcon , both domes & some RWS superpoint extra. These guns suit me for my bit of plinking, without moving to PCP, but I could not say which are best. However I will now put my pellets to one side and get what you suggested, and do some tests. Thanks Mike
Always the best thing to try and be scientific with your tests where it is possible. The problem with springers is that you have to be a good shot and know how to hold and aim the springer to ensure you are getting true results. Hopefully you know the artillery hold method for springers as this is key to accuracy and pellet selection with springers.
i find bisley practice pellets are alright, especially for semi-automatic rifles and pistols. seem to cycle better, the weights are consistant & unless you're buying old stock with dented tins, you'll typically get very few that have any sort of damage. nice finish to them too, as far as lead goes.
Given the difference it can make to accuracy and the fact that pellets are relatively inexpensive to begin with it's worth spending a bit more to get good quality ones.
I’ve had a problem today. Used the last 40 from one tin of jsb exact 4.52 and fine. opened a new tin just bought at the range and honestly they were everywhere😳 some you could see swerve left right up or down about 4 inch spread. I had 4 pellets left of the original ones and when tried they were spot on again. Another guy tried them in hw100 and they were all over but in airarms hft 500 they were good 😳😳😳 I’ll go get some more tomorrow from the original shop, I’m hoping these were a bad batch or one unsuitable for my rifle. I hope it’s not rifle problems 😳😳😳
Lots of people find a good tin and then order as much from that batch number as possible. Some even do that and then size / weigh them. It can be an OCD experience if taken too far. Are you sure the diameter of the pellets was the same from the previous tin ?
Steve Allan yes definitely 4.52 8.44gn jsb exacts. It’s bizarre but my weihrauch hw110st didn’t like 2nd tin neither did a guy with an hw100 but the AirArms and Daystate shot them perfectly. It’s a weird science, without kelly le brock 😂😂😂
Hi from over the pond . not only do i have the TX200 , i have the BSA Spitfire HF ,the HW 35 Vixen 177, Hatsan AT 44 ,10 and many others mostly .22's but some .177 kids rifle's German .177
Hi from over the pond , How can some one who's American by Birth ,British by up bringing , , dad was German American . Mother was British Malta mix ,, Great Grand Mother was Born and bread in Malta so i get so mixed up ,Lol who would i upset LOL
All comes down to the rifle and the pellet match. If you have a good match then all good, if not, swap. It is always advisable to check other and more expensive pellets even if you think you have a good match. It may be even better.
Where i live crossman domed pellets can be found in every big box and hardware store. I have bought several thousand of them on clearance when stores went out of business. They shoot pretty well in most of my guns. I just shoot them in each gun to see how far out i can shoot a one inch group. Even a poor gun will do if i can get close enough.
You get what you pay for,, up to a point. After that point, you pay for the name, exorbitant profit, exorbitant advertising, ect... Uniformity is what you should pay for. And that is where accuracy is. That is to say, after you find the right weight and shape for your rifle. I hope this helps someone. ...
For a short time in the 1980s Crossman rifled the barrel in the 760 and they were fabulously accurate. The 1983-9? rifled 760 worked great with pellets or BBs, cheap or match grade. We could bring down small birds on the wing, like sparrows, at will. It was tremendously fun! I bought a late 1960s 760 and it's awful. I rebuilt it, and can't hit the broad side of a barn, from inside the barn. It's a horrible smooth bore gun. We could work well out past 100 yards, even 200 yards with the rifled 760s. The smooth bore will barely work at 15 yards.
As a young shooter (ages ago) I'd love the gimmicky pellets but only ever had the eley wasp or marksman pellets bought me by my dad for my shhhhhh🤫 bsa meteor which was great for ratting on our small holding BUT NOW ITS HW97K AND RWS SUPERDOME ALL THE WAY ....NO NEED FOR ANYTHING ELSE CERTAINLY NOT CHEAPIES
Wow ! Very well done, there ! I already knew all that, but still you held my interest with the scientific, logical & practical approach ! Though I'd somewhat hesitate to echo your conclusion that quality is proportional to price. There ARE exceptions. Sharp marketeers who buy cheap stuff and sell at very high prices with appropriate ads & packing. Caveat Emptor, I say.
Steve Allan : I think many of us will be happy to see a follow up of this outstanding video. I will send you the weight measurements of some pellet brands soon, I am sure the cheapos have a big scatter in weight, shape or both. My point earlier was that we never get more than what we pay for. But if we are unlucky/careless we can certainly get less than what we pay for. It's probably what you said, in other words.
Now I'm going to wade in on this one. Firstly you forgot to mention that Air Rifles can be Pellet picky. It is always best to try out a good selection of pellets, both cheap and not so. To find the best for your gun. Way back in the late 80's I won many FT comps, with a HW80 and the old Eley Wasps (Blue Tin). It shot better with these cheap pellets than the top of the range pellets of the day. Today I shoot a HW100 and I found the best out of that rifle is the Logun Penetrator 16gr. (now getting harder to find) So before people go rushing out and spending money on the most expensive pre lubed and washed pellets on the market. Start cheap and work your way up. Try differant weights of the same brand, and sizes (pellets in .22cal can range from 5.45 to 5.6) The old Wasps Blue Tin 5.6mm, Pink Tin 5.5mm. Micro rifled barrels tend to like the smaller sizes and the deeper rifled barrels tend to favor the larger. Most PCPs will do better with a heavy pellet, and springers, lighter. Still a good vid showing that not all pellets the same. But no two rifles are the same also.
Yes a huge subject and yet to do a beginners video on pellet selection. This video was as the title says, not all pellets are good :) Thanks, so much to discuss on this subject
@@airgunology That would be a fantastic idea. A proper Video on finding the best pellet for you Rifle. Everything from getting a selection of pellet testing packs form places like EBay, leading the barrel, right on to long range testing,(How a pellet may group well at 20yds but could give you an 8" spread at 40yds). You could even make it a multi part series. Ending in how to inspect, weigh, wash, lube and size your pellets for max accuracy.
Interesting test and comments, Cheap pellets most people will scream NOOOOOO and they would be right for most rifle applications however they DO have a good point, After a certain amount of time with any pellet used your rifle will start to lose accuracy, some try different pellets when at the end of the day its just the Barrel that needs cleaning. Obvioulsy after cleaning your rifle needs to bed in again before accuracy returns so we do whats called "Leading the Barrel". Now if you wish to use your £13 Tin of Sovereigns thats up to you, However having a Tin of the cheaper pellets handy will keep the cost down. Leading the Barrel means filling all the imperfections inside your barrel, minute potholes etc. (after 100 or so shots then return to your barrels pellet of choice). When testing pellet brands you need to fire at least a dozen shots before firing a grouping shot, your barrel needs to adjust to the different lead. dont just fire five or so shots straight after using a different brand and expect a tight group. Some say you need to clean the barrel between brands that is up to personal choice. Anyway hope these comments are of some help to yourself and any new shooters out there, Regards
A blast from my past. Having an engineering eye from a young age I did think the milbro pellets in cardboard boxes were very poor in shape and accuracy. Hell I did not know I was just a kid. Then I found eley wasp pellets. Wow awesome they were and very well made. Looking at tins of modern day wasps they are looking very poor. In 1982 they were my favorite pellet and shot well from my free donated air rifle Then a big 14th birthday and I got a feinwerkbau 124 sport in .22 cal and the wasps worked well. Tried h and n hunting pellets . Wow how lucky was I in those days to save for a tin of those. Yes I thought they were ace with the pointed hunting pellets I still have a tin of the good old eley pellets and they shot ok to be fair and better than the pointed h and n old day pellets Gone are the days of trying to glue fishing wire to broken scopes for a crosshair. You may laugh but I have done it and bagged many rabbits and pests until I got my fwb sport with a proper scope Now I am still using airguns rifles and shotguns but my all time go out to hunt gun is an air rifle Many years on and I now can afford what I need and I only use jsb pellets. They don't look as shiney and as nice as some other pellets but they are so accurate and consistent Big learning curve from day 1. The big difference is the cost. The .30 cal pellets and gun I choose are not cheap but after 20,000 shots or more the gun is fine touch wood but the pellets could be cheaper lol
Good comments Garry. When we were kids back in the mid 60's pellet choice was down to availability and it was rare to find shops selling them in tins. My Mate's Dad used to take us to a big sports shop in Sheffield (Suggs ?) where I remember buying 250 in a red box with a picture of a pellet on the front.
Excellent, it is hard to find the right pellet for your rifle. As long as you have tested a few makes and don't become complacent with that pellet as sometime manufacturing changes and so will the pellet performance.
I used RWS Superdomes in all my previous Weihrauchs, but when I got my SFS-tuned .177 97K, I started using JSB Exacts. It's hard to say if they are more accurate than the Superdomes, If they are, it's only by the merest smidgeon. I have a couple of tins of Exacts, and several tins of Superdomes, and when the Exacts are gone, I'll stop with the RWS pellets. They are a fiver a tin cheaper, on average,
Crosman in the milk carton 1250 can't find the wadcutters. Back some yrs ago they were all over. 7.4gr shoot great out of almost all rifles. Can only find them in tins and they cost like 4x what they used to be. Darn shame
For tin can plinking and general fun shooting, I've no problem using bargain pellets, My gun is accurate enough that the difference would only be noticeable if I was punching paper or going for field targets. Current price on RWS pellets in USA run 12- 30 dollars a can depending.... I've been able to pick up some bargain pellets for 5 dollars that shot more than fine... call me cheap, but I do like to save where I can.....
I get brilliant results with RWS r10 mtch 177 and almost as good with • H&N Excite Econ II Pellets which are cheap as chips but they look like a lot more expensive pellet and of course JSb exact which are recomended for my LGV master springer...All 3 are very consistant at 10 meters in my shed...just gets boring hitting bullseye all the time lol.
good vid steve , interesting as well . spent a lot of money testing pellets in the last few years " indeed " my mrs remarked at one stage that I change my pellets more often then me Y fronts ( too younger readers " Y " fronts are a type of under garment that old blokes keep wearing till there wives steal them from the bedroom floor and chuck em in the washer before you get too put them on, typically for the 7th day on the trot ) so ... the pellets of choice now are ... FX Typhoon .22 I use the jsb jumbo RS ( 13.4 grn ) a light pellet considering its called a " jumbo " in my BSA R10 .177 I use the well established Bisley Magnum 10.64 grn ( 4.52 ) excellent pellet .. no cheap though in my BSA Goldstar SE .177 I use which I consider too be the most excellent pellet ever made in .177 caliber .. ok ok the rifle is top notch but the pellet is total quality @ 10.24 grn .. ( looks exactly like the jsb exact diablo 10.34 , trust me there IS a difference ) ps may have got the pellet grns a bit wrong , but im doing it from memory , aint going upstairs too check , the mrs is up there and might want passion .. and footies comming on the telly..oh ... the pellets used in Goldstar are the Daystate .177H ( 10.24 grn )
Thanks, and yes I remember school Y Fronts :) Sometimes cheap pellets work, but you really have to look hard. The cheaper the pellet, usually the poorer the quality control and hence the grouping accuracy. The are cheap for a reason.
Yes. Cheap pellets can be good. My Sig Sauer MCX co2 rifle jammed often with RWS Meisterkuglen pellets (about 9€ per 500pc tin over here). Cheap (4€ per 500pc tin) domed pellets by Atom Outdoors jammed..never. And results on target was about the same. Surely the co2 driven MCX ain't no PCP target rifle - but whatever area the red dot covered - the whatever brand pellets landed there.
just bought my first springer in years. i use to be into my rifle years ago but sold my hw80k years ago. so i just picked up a half decent springer to get bk into it. i too am now having problems in what to buy. so i went with bisley premiers .22 for mt first ammo. they were £7.99 for 200 which i think is pretty expensive so hopefully should be a good pellet. i only just got this rifle and havint shot it yet lol. but yeah, whats your take on bisley? thanks
Not played with them. Best thing to do is look for those people who sell selection packs of pellets to try without buying the whole time. Good pellets to try are AA diabolo field sports, they always work well, but others out there may be better.
ok thanks, will look into getting sample packs for sure. these bisley premiers are made by H&N , little sticker on bottom of the tin, they look quality. AA diabolo will try thanks
On the other hand, you can obtain EXPENSIVE pellets that would still give you a headache. Couple of days ago I bought RWS Power Bolt pellets (150 pieces in a box), advertised as "extremely efficient", "retaining power on long distances" and blah blah... Yeah, yeah, but no one told me that these 0.92 gram bastards WONT BLOODY FIT into the barrel (they seem to be slightly thicker than cal.177/4.5 mm) SO BOTH of my airguns - Norica Spider (10 Joules) and Baikal (7.5 Joules) "choked" on these pellets - I had to push the pellets down the barrel for a millimeter or two to make the guns able to discharge. Luckily, the unsuccessful first attempts did not distorted the sealing gaskets... Mind you: I have never had such problems with ANY other pellets, being the cheapest "no name" ones or Crossman's and Gamo's like hollow point, hunter etc. so it DEFINITELY is not a specific air gun model related...
I can dislike this because it's comparing apples to oranges. He's not just comparing cheap to expensive, but comparing different mass pellets. A heavier pellet will give better grouping as long as the gun can handle it, otherwise not. What he *should* have done, IMO, is find the best weight for each gun, and then compare pellets of exactly that weight. Otherwise, it's a crap shoot. So, thumbs down.
@@artheen4713 That would be more scientific but, as Steve mentions , this is not suppose to be. On that note, I tried to check your youtube channel for a better demonstration and could not find one. Too bad...
my HW95 hates jsb exact and loves RWS super domes, My Tx200 only likes 4.51 exacts, my Wildcat seems to like anything and my Impact loves H&N barracuda match. it just goes to show the importance of pellet testing your rifles.
Hi Steve Do you still do anything with Edgun Leshiy or do you keep any spares for them at all I know in the past you have done videos on the Leshiy I’m after a 177 barrel for mine that’s all any imfo will be much appreciated
As mentioned in the video it is quality that matters - I am not that knowledgeable but would remind beginners that a 10 pound tin might be available elsewhere at 4 pound odd. e.g. delivery today of .22 .177 (2 Gamo, 1 Umarex) pellets - all 3 types are available at more than twice that I paid on the internet from both companies and Ebay e.g. Gamo pro hunter impact .177 at 4.29 for 500 tin - most places are 6 pounds and upward to Ebay at 11.70 and even a bag of 100 at 4.49 = 22.50 for 500!! Just be patient and be aware of the fancy prices out there.....
Hello great video, can you help me I have just bought a Walther Rotex RM8 .22 air rifle I need a Bipod and cannot fined on to fit my gun can you tell me what I need please
I have a rm8 177 and I have tested 30 top brands of pellets I my rifle and the only ones I found that were giving me very good grouping, was the crosman ultra magnums at 10.5gns yes pellet on pellet at 40m , now when I first started shooting I was 7 and now I am 59 and then I had a hw35, and all I used was milbro Caledonian pellets and these were great in the hw35 so the other day I bought a tin of milbro Caledonian pellets in 177, that's all I have fired is 177 so I put them in the mag of my rm8 and wow at 30m I was getting pellet on pellet so now my rm8 likes them, so there only £5 a tin so to say do not buy cheap pellets is wrong I have and it all depends what your rifle likes the daystate pellets were bloody awful in my rm8 you should be saying go to pell pax and get a sample pack and you get over 20 sample packs to try and get, a good one for your rifle its even cheaper the spending between £14 to £20 per tin as the sample pack is £20 delivered to your door
Good advice,"Sample Pack". You may not find the favorite pellet but you will find one you can live with!The favorite may take a few more,hope not too many.
Some people think expensive pellets are more accurate and to be fair they are better quality,. I still have old tins of wasps that can head shoot a pigeon at 40 yrd. but at 20yrd if my 100 did not put the red bull out on those targets (hole in hole) AA fields 4.52 I would re think shooting live quarry at anything past 40 yrd, the best groups on this video my rifle does at 45 yrd ! but then its a very accurate rifle with just a little help lol.
When you state "the type of pellet to use depends on your rifle". Do this mean the actual make and model of rifle will be best suited to a make and type of pellet, or does it mean that regardless of what make and model your rifle is that ever single rifle will be best suited to it's own individual make of pellet?
Every rifle is unique so you should test several types of pellet brands, weights and shapes on it and find wich delivers better results. But, as a norm, cheap ones deliver worst results.
i just got a pcp have not fired it yet. i know nothing about air guns just what i see on youtube. how bout the weight of the pellet? the other thing i just don't take a pellet out of the ten and shoot it???
Ever gun is a distinct individual and as such no two will shoot the same with the same pellet. Some guns aren't pellet picky, but some are extremely so.
Great review Steve ,cheap pellets are a waste of money i use mostly air arms diablo in .177 & .22 cal, for my ,20 huntsman i use H&N FTT pellets, the old saying is true Pay peanuts you get Monkeys!!!!!!! atb Brian
Too true, so many times, me included in the early days, I see people skimping on pellets and wondering why they can't zero or worse still wound an animal.
Original ely wasps were very good pellets.. The ones you have now are not very good.. Also sometimes you can get a cheap pellet that works well in a particular barred.. Thats just the way it is.. Trial and error.!!
They didn't lower the price though. :( I wish that Eley had never sold the brand. The company that make them now (John Rothery I think) changed the shape completely for some reason, and now Wasps are just not consistent. Such a shame.
All these guys don t worry about accuracy. They want groups. I shot competitively for years. You want both. You don't know your gear if you can't sight in for a 10x or bullseye. ...or you just might be a lousy shot
Point well taken my friend... cheap ammo isnt always the best. I have a Gamo Raptor... in which i have used Winchester rounds, gamo red fires, and now h&n hornets. The red fires work really good, but the h&n hornets are flat out AWESOME!! As far as the Winchester rounds go... are they related to the Wasp rounds in your video??? Because are absolute JUNK!!!
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Good video. I like to verify a gun is accurate with good/expensive pellets, then start testing with cheap pellets. I've gotten lucky a few times, where my rifle likes a specific cheaper pellet at 35 yards. That being said, I've also had it where the first tin of cheap pellets does well, but every other tin after that was not good.
Did my own test with spitfire's cheap pellets and webley powapell's and got the same results powapell's tight groups every time cheaper pellets random hits.
I have subscribed as this guy obviously knows his stuff.
I have only just started out and all the advice given has helped my shooting and saved me loads of time and money.
Many thanks
Dave
Thanks for the support. To the contrary, I am fairly new to Air Rifles myself, a few years in, but I go in with a logic approach and try not to follow the crowd and say what I see. Thanks for your support.
Good review. The best pellet for the price is the rws superdome they are accurate well made and are not to costly. All the expensive pellets do perform better than the cheap ones. Just make sure your rifle suits them. It does depend what you are doing with then though. If you want them for hunting or target then you want the best but if you are can bashing and plinking then the cheap ones will do. My friend some times shoots 500 pellets per day (no lie). He only shoots tin cans ect with a cheap springer. So the cheap ones are fine for him. Cheap pellets are cast and expensive pellets are swaged into a fine die. This makes them perfect and perfectly sized ect. Keep up the good work matey.
Nice comments and all very true, thanks and I am sure it will help others.
The horizontal stringing you are seeing it typically due to inconsistent breath control and elevated heart rate. A strong pulse will push the stock over and string them every time. I would try again an focus on good breathing, heart rate and trigger control. Great review. Really enjoying your stuff. I think your channel will do well.
Thanks for this. I was wandering up and down the garden all the time with the shooting and this would help explain it.
you looked rock steady . it is variation in pellet wieght for lateral poi shift in an unwieghed tin it cn be up to a grains difference, at the same time varying head size . see vhtv for a vid on the subject . good luck . Also u have a left to right breeze . could explain the horizontal ;-)
Steve,
I was very supprised by the result. Com ing back into airgunning after 20 years away, I'm re learning. Had my share of weihrauch's and bsa's back in the day. Back then Elet wasps were pretty good. But we used to use the English 5.56mm size in the German 5.5 barrel. This always worked very well and ensured a good gas seal. The 5.56 wasps also worked very well in the Bsa Stuzen which was my last sign giving sub 1 inch groups at about 30 yards for hunting rabbits. Maybe the quality has gone, but I do remember the pellets use to be lighter in colour and shine more. Regards.
Ben, this was just an example to show how important pellet selection is with rifles. Those wasps may work better with a "tighter" barrel. But in general, the more expensive the pellet (within reason) the better. What is important is to test many and select.
I started shooting pellets in 2005 and didn’t have any idea that pellets are all different and every gun eats pellets differently. Good video.
Glad it helped, yes massive difference.
1980 W&S was using Superpoint for pest. Given a tin of Marksman was astonished by the accuracy and groups. 9/10 squirrels expressed a preference.
As a new shooter thank you for your advice on pellets I enjoyed it and act on your comments
Thank you
Good test! I launched my body weight in Eley Wasps as a kid through my knackered BSA Supersport in .22 - I seem to remember them having a blue lid back then.
My Daystate AirWolf absolutely loves Bisley Magnums in .177, which are kinda cheap to middle of the road price wise. Have to use long(ish) pellets because the magazine jams with shorter ones. But that said, I have other rifles that don't like them at all, couldn't hit a bull in the arse with bizmags through my Scorpion. Brand wise I'd say my favourite would probably be H&N.
Thanks, the right pellet isn't always the cheapest and sometimes people just struggle if they don't try others.
I recently changed from a Crosman Hollowpoint in .22 (14.3gr) to an H&N Field Target Trophy (14.66gr). As you have shown the finish, consistent molding, and certainly the increase in accuracy are marked. I spent hours each day trying to zero and not knowing what else I could do to bring my groups with the Trail NP2 down in size. I ended up chasing my tail and blowing off shooting in frustration. Now I check zero on the rifle and very rarely have to adjust, mostly just for weather and wind. I wasn't upset with the Hollowpoints, getting 2" groups of 5 at 28 yards, but I can halve that with the H&Ns.
It is amazing but there are people out there with bad quality pellets that are not consistent in their shape or finish but swear blind they work well in their rifle. Simple physics says it won't, but hey oh, if they are happy. Glad it worked out for you.
I have a Trail NP2 myself and the H&N Terminator 16.36 group near 1.5 inches at 30 yards. Switching to Superpoint Extra Fieldline 14.5 my groups are closer to 1 inch. I think the shape affects group sizes as well from my experience.
The Daisy .22 and .177 Hollow Points are very cheap but are now made in Spain and are very similar to the Gamo Red Fire without the polymer tip. They hold less than 1” at 50 yards which with their shape and BC of 0.018 makes them perfect for 50 yards or less and very backyard friendly. They expand violently on impacts and humanely take critters instantly. They perform well up to 900 FPS in my PCPs and even better at lower speeds. The lead is soft which with the large and deep hollow point expand reliability every time. They are NOT a replacement for a good JSB pellet in terms of accuracy by no means but they are a good economical pellet with good accuracy with a limited range of the average backyard. 7$ for 500 pellets a tin on Amazon in .22 and the .177 are like 4$ for 500. The pointed Daisy pellets are not the same by any way shape or form and have NEVER had any luck with them in any gun I own. Only the Daisy 15.4 grain Hollow Points made in Spain. The picture on the tin of the pellet is not what they look like at all and are what they used to be like when made in China. Pull the tip out of a Gamo Red Fire and you have a Daisy Hollow Point, same weight exactly. The Red Fire with the tip weighs 15.8 and without the polymer tip weighs 15.4. They are one in the same I believe just one has a tip and one doesn’t. Give them a try, for 7$ why not get some cheap trigger time with decent accuracy and performance. Your welcome. Thank you for the video and what you do for our shooting community. Much appreciated. Matching a pellet with a speed with a rifle barrel is trial and error but this find for me was just luck. I use these even in my SK-19 and even on full auto at 50 yards will hold a 1” group with a full magazine of 19 on my Caldwell Lead Sled. 900 FPS is about as fast as I can push them before I start to get flyers. Thanks again and take care.
I use the superdome but in my 177 ( 0.54g. 8.3gr ) and they really hit home hard and true. Good shooting everyone 💪👍
hey up Steve, try falcon pellets about £8:50 for 177 and £10:50 for 22 s, I use them in both my hw95 s 177 and 22, also use them in my bsa r10 177,@ 25 metres with the r10 I can get 10 pellets though a hole the size of a 5 pence peace, great video mate !
I am sure that the pellets make a huge difference in the groups that you will be able to get! It takes experiments and experience to find the best ones for your guns. I have found that the RWS R10 MATCH are the most consistent for me. They come in a variety of sizes and weights.
Big fan of RWS Superdomes. My guns like them, 177 cal. Good price too.
Thanks a lot for the video. Finding this stuff out the hard way in my .177 Daisy 880. cheap pellets And quite a few "fancy looking" pellets fly absolutely everywhere
Glad it helped
Excellent video, it really shows the difference in accuracy with cheap pellets. Funny thing though; my RWS 460 springer is super accurate with RWS supermag pellets, but terrible with cheap crosman pellets. However, my crosman 2100 is very accurate with the cheap crosman pellets and it's inaccurate with RWS pellets. Target range is 25 yards. Weird but it's true! I investigated this and discovered the bore diameter of the RWS 460 is .1775 at the breech and .1765 at the crown, so its tapered! The crosman 2100 bore is .1775 all the way through.
Yup, the major thing is it depends on the rifle. But once you find a good pellet, look for one that is the same and more expensive and try them and you may get even better results due to quality control. Not always the case, but usually you get what you pay for.
Nice review I mostly use JSB pellets very well made and not to expensive , look forward to your next video
Thank you
No Probs Steve think your
are just getting better and very informative
thanks
Same for me, the main 3 airguns in my collection that I enjoy shooting lately fortunately all took a liking to JSB jumbo heavy 5.52 head diameter. (HW97K, Gamo Coyote, Marauder pistol).
But I do have one or two tins of all of the following: H&N FTT (5.53, 5.54, 5.55), H&N Baracuda Match (5.51, 5.52, 5.53), JSB Jumbo (5.51, 5.52), etc. Its usually the first thing I do when I get a new rifle, clean the barrel put a few through and try some groups with that selection. It gives me an impression of what weight and head size I should aim for, in addition to that measuring the velocity consistency with a chrony is a big help too.
Beyond that I've also got leftovers of quite a few other things I've tried over the years, comes in handy at times but mostly they sit in a box at the attic.
Good video for new shooters, the only lower cost pellet I have found to be accurate is the Crossman (.177) also available branded as Silco (ex Brocock). About £5 a tin in bulk and a little light at 7.9 gr. My posh choice is QYS Streamlines.
Thanks buddy, please share and spread the channel
Look at the diameter of the pellet,,they are in different sizes as barrels are all different bores,aven the same company barrels
Hi Steve. I own a BSA R10. Generally I shoot Sovereign pellets, but have now changed to Diablo Heavy. At 24 yards l am now achieving a 1 cm group. Thanks for your video, very helpful.
Excellent and glad the vid helped
For hunting I always use a premium pellet like h&n or jsb , if I'm just looking to put lead down range plinking I use milbro Caledonian. If you haven't tried them, get a sample from eBay. Quite surprising. At 15 yards they group single hole through my theoben. At 50 yards they hit new potatoes every time. I've also tried them in two different springers and a c02 rifle with good results out to 30 yards. I was a pellet snob before I tried these.
Always good to try as many as possible.
I watch allot of these videos about not using cheap pellets and they always give me a good laugh because I have shot pellet guns for about 40 years and have found that for practical use there is not enough difference between the pellets to matter most people are only interested in back yard plinking and and not long distance marksmanship so for that most any pellet will do. 😎
My advice is get the ammo that you want to use expensive or cheap set your sights with that ammo and you will do just fine, Enjoy! 😎😎😎😎
@@gr-s2143 at 30 yards I shot a 1/2 inch group of 10 shots using $6.00 per tin of 500 Daisy Hollow Point .22 cal pellets using my Gamo Maxxim Gen 2 this morning, perhaps you need better aim LOL
I have a diana 36 that will put 5 in a hole the size of a pencil eraser at twenty yards with cheap pellets.I believe the barrel will decide what pellets will be accurate."But" you are right generally cheap pellets are not a good way to go.You did a good job with your video,Thanks.
Oh,And I am an average shot,Not a Champ...
Thanks and nice results with a good pellet for your rifle. It all depends on the rifle at the end of the day and nothing is certain in this world.
Good video. New to the sport with a BSA Lightning SE XL. Swopped from Marksman to Superdomes and now get 10p groups at 20m.
They must suit my gun!
I'm surprised by the amount of snobbery with pellets. I recently purchased a second hand .22 Milbro Explorer for ratting near our bowling green. The Guy gave me half a tin of Spitfire pointed pellets which after zero-ing in consistantly gave five shot groups about the size of a 5p coin (18mm) at 10mtrs. I've not tried them at greater distances as the rats are used to bowlers being in close proximity but the Explorer seems to like them.
Then you got lucky. Many people fail to try different pellets and just "do" with the performance of their rifle and the pellets they have.
Superb vid, you are absolutely correct in what you say , it is so important with a sub 12 or any weapon to be as pinpoint accurate as you can be , ..
Know you weapon,
Know your ammo, and Know your capabilities.
Great video. Its like in racing, no point having the best car on worn out or cheap tyres
Fairly new to air rifles, went straight to Predator GTOs, JSB Diabolo Exact and AA Diabolo Field.
As long as you have tested and they work for your rifle all is good.
Those Wasp are obviously trash. However there are some great cheaper pellets out there like the RWS Super H point and the Crosman Premier Hollow Point. I can put the Crosman pellet on pellet at 40 yards with my Hatsan Nova 22. I have over 30 different pellets in my inventory and what I found is every gun is particular to which pellet it likes and you have to try a variety. Thanks for the video.
I have personally tried 15+ rifles with my RWS superdomes and not one has liked them. The search continues.
@@airgunology Wow, surprised although I haven't tried those particular pellets. If you get a chance try out the .22 Copper Magnum Domed Pellet. Low cost and accurate.
Nice video, each airgun chooses their own preferred pellets not us.
Thats the beauty of airguns over real guns.
I've use the JSB Heavy 5.5 mm, H&N Power, H&N Barracuda and ironically the Crosman Ultra Magnum 5.5 which shoots well in my Hatsan AT44 pcp. Each air rifle prefers It's own particular pellet to shoot from.
Yes, so they do and it is a matter of finding the right pellet for the rifle.
my favorite vermin killing pellets that i always use are super field RWS👌👌very accurate👌👌& def super fantastic rat killers👌👌👌👌
I found your TH-cam channel when I was looking here on TH-cam, to get some information BEFORE I branch out ( so to speak ) into the PCP airgun world of the hobby.
So, I decided to subscribe and see what else I can find out. I appreciate the fact that you are not beholding to any particular manufacturer, as this lets you say exactly what you want .
This is what I want sez I, so here I am!
I'm gonna get an airgun soon and I feel like dome pellets are the best because they can do everything fairly well.
That is correct, they are the general purpose pellet and why most people use them.
excellent video and thanks for all the editing.. makes airgun videos much more watchable
That was an excellent video. Thank you for taking the time to make a very informative production. I am just getting back into plinking and am finding it difficult to get the groupings
Thanks
Thanks mate, I have always heard you are better off with a cheaper airgun and expensive pellets than the other way around, never use the cheap pellets on game.
Interesting test. I would have expected better results at 25 yds, but there was a consistent low performance trend with the Wasps. I wonder how much of that variance is related to the head diameter. Finding the right pellet can sometimes be a matter of finding a pellet that consistently has the right diameter for a given barrel.
I suspect the advertised 5.5mm is wrong or poor quality control as you hint at. Wasp used to be a good make of pellet, but certainly quality has fallen.
Hi Steve thanks for all the advice and videos that you have done which has helped me tremendously with the video on the artillery hold to the pellets and I have joined your Facebook group. At the moment the only area I can fire my rifle is only 7 metres long and I have like u suggested go a selection of pellets now I know it's only 7 m but I have been able to put pellet on pellet with cheap pellets (£5.99 for 500 bulldogs) and up to mid range pellets but I'm amazed at how much difference there is in where the different pellets hit and the ones that was most of the bull was a 21grane heavy copper
The difference will become much more noticeable at longer ranges past 25m. Keep it up and thanks for the kind comments.
The grouping with the Sovereign and Cricket was still awful considering the cost. 1 hole groups 5 shots with my 10 year old Air Arms Mpr-Ft at 30 Meters using Bisley Magnum.
Thanks Steve for that info. I have 3 guns all underlever, but 1 is a Theoben 90 Weihrauch, all .22 Testing out in the back garden I have mixed and matched, with Diablo exact Jumbo, Falcon , both domes & some RWS superpoint extra. These guns suit me for my bit of plinking, without moving to PCP, but I could not say which are best. However I will now put my pellets to one side and get what you suggested, and do some tests. Thanks Mike
Always the best thing to try and be scientific with your tests where it is possible. The problem with springers is that you have to be a good shot and know how to hold and aim the springer to ensure you are getting true results. Hopefully you know the artillery hold method for springers as this is key to accuracy and pellet selection with springers.
Thanks for the video, was a really interesting look at quality and results for a newbie like myself.
many thanks for this advice. I am sold to the idea of not going cheap
i find bisley practice pellets are alright, especially for semi-automatic rifles and pistols. seem to cycle better, the weights are consistant & unless you're buying old stock with dented tins, you'll typically get very few that have any sort of damage.
nice finish to them too, as far as lead goes.
Sweet, not really used Bisleys much, I tend to go JSB, Sovereigns or AA
Given the difference it can make to accuracy and the fact that pellets are relatively inexpensive to begin with it's worth spending a bit more to get good quality ones.
I’ve had a problem today. Used the last 40 from one tin of jsb exact 4.52 and fine. opened a new tin just bought at the range and honestly they were everywhere😳 some you could see swerve left right up or down about 4 inch spread. I had 4 pellets left of the original ones and when tried they were spot on again. Another guy tried them in hw100 and they were all over but in airarms hft 500 they were good 😳😳😳
I’ll go get some more tomorrow from the original shop, I’m hoping these were a bad batch or one unsuitable for my rifle. I hope it’s not rifle problems 😳😳😳
Lots of people find a good tin and then order as much from that batch number as possible. Some even do that and then size / weigh them. It can be an OCD experience if taken too far. Are you sure the diameter of the pellets was the same from the previous tin ?
Steve Allan yes definitely 4.52 8.44gn jsb exacts. It’s bizarre but my weihrauch hw110st didn’t like 2nd tin neither did a guy with an hw100 but the AirArms and Daystate shot them perfectly. It’s a weird science, without kelly le brock 😂😂😂
Great vid, shared to my group A2 PREPPER 👍, Everything you point out is spot on.
Hi from over the pond . not only do i have the TX200 , i have the BSA Spitfire HF ,the HW 35 Vixen 177, Hatsan AT 44 ,10 and many others mostly .22's but some .177 kids rifle's German .177
lol, you'll upset people :)
Hi from over the pond , How can some one who's American by Birth ,British by up bringing , , dad was German American . Mother was British Malta mix ,, Great Grand Mother was Born and bread in Malta so i get so mixed up ,Lol who would i upset LOL
crossman sells cheap pellets but in most break barrel guns they shoot great
All comes down to the rifle and the pellet match. If you have a good match then all good, if not, swap. It is always advisable to check other and more expensive pellets even if you think you have a good match. It may be even better.
Where i live crossman domed pellets can be found in every big box and hardware store.
I have bought several thousand of them on clearance when stores went out of business.
They shoot pretty well in most of my guns.
I just shoot them in each gun to see how far out i can shoot a one inch group.
Even a poor gun will do if i can get close enough.
I've shot smk domed pellets and got good groups with my 97k, I've also had a new tin of jsb exact Rs and shot all over the place lol
You get what you pay for,, up to a point. After that point, you pay for the name, exorbitant profit, exorbitant advertising, ect...
Uniformity is what you should pay for. And that is where accuracy is. That is to say, after you find the right weight and shape for your rifle.
I hope this helps someone. ...
Yup sometime you are lucky and a cheaper pellet works well.
For a short time in the 1980s Crossman rifled the barrel in the 760 and they were fabulously accurate. The 1983-9? rifled 760 worked great with pellets or BBs, cheap or match grade. We could bring down small birds on the wing, like sparrows, at will. It was tremendously fun! I bought a late 1960s 760 and it's awful. I rebuilt it, and can't hit the broad side of a barn, from inside the barn. It's a horrible smooth bore gun. We could work well out past 100 yards, even 200 yards with the rifled 760s. The smooth bore will barely work at 15 yards.
As a young shooter (ages ago) I'd love the gimmicky pellets but only ever had the eley wasp or marksman pellets bought me by my dad for my shhhhhh🤫 bsa meteor which was great for ratting on our small holding BUT NOW ITS HW97K AND RWS SUPERDOME ALL THE WAY ....NO NEED FOR ANYTHING ELSE CERTAINLY NOT CHEAPIES
Those pellets that had a 6" group it could be to high of velocity for a lighter pellet, and not because its a cheaper pellet?
This sub 12 ft/pd 22 cal. So answer is. Nope.
Great video demonstration!
Thank you
Wow ! Very well done, there ! I already knew all that, but still you held my interest with the scientific, logical & practical approach !
Though I'd somewhat hesitate to echo your conclusion that quality is proportional to price. There ARE exceptions.
Sharp marketeers who buy cheap stuff and sell at very high prices with appropriate ads & packing. Caveat Emptor, I say.
Thanks buddy, yes always exceptions to the rule, but most of the time quality does lead to performance.
Steve Allan : I think many of us will be happy to see a follow up of this outstanding video.
I will send you the weight measurements of some pellet brands soon, I am sure the cheapos have a big scatter in weight, shape or both.
My point earlier was that we never get more than what we pay for. But if we are unlucky/careless we can certainly get less than what we pay for.
It's probably what you said, in other words.
Great information mate been trying a few pellets and really see what you mean just got a remmington tyrant 22 think I will get some sovereigns 👍🎯
Thanks Steve for another interesting video
Superdomes for the win - currently £12 vs £20 for the Sovereigns - silly money for throwing lead at a target.
Now I'm going to wade in on this one.
Firstly you forgot to mention that Air Rifles can be Pellet picky. It is always best to try out a good selection of pellets, both cheap and not so. To find the best for your gun.
Way back in the late 80's I won many FT comps, with a HW80 and the old Eley Wasps (Blue Tin). It shot better with these cheap pellets than the top of the range pellets of the day. Today I shoot a HW100 and I found the best out of that rifle is the Logun Penetrator 16gr. (now getting harder to find)
So before people go rushing out and spending money on the most expensive pre lubed and washed pellets on the market. Start cheap and work your way up. Try differant weights of the same brand, and sizes (pellets in .22cal can range from 5.45 to 5.6) The old Wasps Blue Tin 5.6mm, Pink Tin 5.5mm.
Micro rifled barrels tend to like the smaller sizes and the deeper rifled barrels tend to favor the larger. Most PCPs will do better with a heavy pellet, and springers, lighter.
Still a good vid showing that not all pellets the same. But no two rifles are the same also.
Yes a huge subject and yet to do a beginners video on pellet selection. This video was as the title says, not all pellets are good :) Thanks, so much to discuss on this subject
@@airgunology That would be a fantastic idea. A proper Video on finding the best pellet for you Rifle. Everything from getting a selection of pellet testing packs form places like EBay, leading the barrel, right on to long range testing,(How a pellet may group well at 20yds but could give you an 8" spread at 40yds). You could even make it a multi part series. Ending in how to inspect, weigh, wash, lube and size your pellets for max accuracy.
Yup, been on the books for ages, just need to find the time.
Interesting test and comments, Cheap pellets most people will scream NOOOOOO and they would be right for most rifle applications however they DO have a good point, After a certain amount of time with any pellet used your rifle will start to lose accuracy, some try different pellets when at the end of the day its just the Barrel that needs cleaning. Obvioulsy after cleaning your rifle needs to bed in again before accuracy returns so we do whats called "Leading the Barrel".
Now if you wish to use your £13 Tin of Sovereigns thats up to you, However having a Tin of the cheaper pellets handy will keep the cost down. Leading the Barrel means filling all the imperfections inside your barrel, minute potholes etc. (after 100 or so shots then return to your barrels pellet of choice).
When testing pellet brands you need to fire at least a dozen shots before firing a grouping shot, your barrel needs to adjust to the different lead. dont just fire five or so shots straight after using a different brand and expect a tight group. Some say you need to clean the barrel between brands that is up to personal choice. Anyway hope these comments are of some help to yourself and any new shooters out there,
Regards
Thanks Robert. Some interesting points you make there.
A blast from my past. Having an engineering eye from a young age I did think the milbro pellets in cardboard boxes were very poor in shape and accuracy. Hell I did not know I was just a kid. Then I found eley wasp pellets. Wow awesome they were and very well made. Looking at tins of modern day wasps they are looking very poor. In 1982 they were my favorite pellet and shot well from my free donated air rifle
Then a big 14th birthday and I got a feinwerkbau 124 sport in .22 cal and the wasps worked well. Tried h and n hunting pellets . Wow how lucky was I in those days to save for a tin of those. Yes I thought they were ace with the pointed hunting pellets
I still have a tin of the good old eley pellets and they shot ok to be fair and better than the pointed h and n old day pellets
Gone are the days of trying to glue fishing wire to broken scopes for a crosshair. You may laugh but I have done it and bagged many rabbits and pests until I got my fwb sport with a proper scope
Now I am still using airguns rifles and shotguns but my all time go out to hunt gun is an air rifle
Many years on and I now can afford what I need and I only use jsb pellets. They don't look as shiney and as nice as some other pellets but they are so accurate and consistent
Big learning curve from day 1. The big difference is the cost. The .30 cal pellets and gun I choose are not cheap but after 20,000 shots or more the gun is fine touch wood but the pellets could be cheaper lol
Nice one mate, thanks for sharing. Sometimes the simplest things (pellets) make all the difference between a fun hobby / sport and a great one.
Good comments Garry. When we were kids back in the mid 60's pellet choice was down to availability and it was rare to find shops selling them in tins. My Mate's Dad used to take us to a big sports shop in Sheffield (Suggs ?) where I remember buying 250 in a red box with a picture of a pellet on the front.
the best pellet in my hw97k is the superdome with is good as i can get em for 8 pound a tin
Excellent, it is hard to find the right pellet for your rifle. As long as you have tested a few makes and don't become complacent with that pellet as sometime manufacturing changes and so will the pellet performance.
I used RWS Superdomes in all my previous Weihrauchs, but when I got my SFS-tuned .177 97K, I started using JSB Exacts. It's hard to say if they are more accurate than the Superdomes, If they are, it's only by the merest smidgeon. I have a couple of tins of Exacts, and several tins of Superdomes, and when the Exacts are gone, I'll stop with the RWS pellets. They are a fiver a tin cheaper, on average,
I grew up shooting wasps was made better back then .was in a blue tin also what I used .used to be really good pellets was eley wasps back then.
Much has changed since then.
Crosman in the milk carton 1250 can't find the wadcutters. Back some yrs ago they were all over. 7.4gr shoot great out of almost all rifles. Can only find them in tins and they cost like 4x what they used to be. Darn shame
For tin can plinking and general fun shooting, I've no problem using bargain pellets, My gun is accurate enough that the difference would only be noticeable if I was punching paper or going for field targets. Current price on RWS pellets in USA run 12- 30 dollars a can depending.... I've been able to pick up some bargain pellets for 5 dollars that shot more than fine... call me cheap, but I do like to save where I can.....
I get brilliant results with RWS r10 mtch 177 and almost as good with • H&N Excite Econ II Pellets which are cheap as chips but they look like a lot more expensive pellet and of course JSb exact which are recomended for my LGV master springer...All 3 are very consistant at 10 meters in my shed...just gets boring hitting bullseye all the time lol.
good vid steve , interesting as well . spent a lot of money testing pellets in the last few years " indeed " my mrs remarked at one stage that I change my pellets more often then me Y fronts ( too younger readers " Y " fronts are a type of under garment that old blokes keep wearing till there wives steal them from the bedroom floor and chuck em in the washer before you get too put them on, typically for the 7th day on the trot ) so ... the pellets of choice now are ... FX Typhoon .22 I use the jsb jumbo RS ( 13.4 grn ) a light pellet considering its called a " jumbo "
in my BSA R10 .177 I use the well established Bisley Magnum 10.64 grn ( 4.52 ) excellent pellet .. no cheap though
in my BSA Goldstar SE .177 I use which I consider too be the most excellent pellet ever made in .177 caliber .. ok ok the rifle is top notch but the pellet is total quality @ 10.24 grn .. ( looks exactly like the jsb exact diablo 10.34 , trust me there IS a difference )
ps may have got the pellet grns a bit wrong , but im doing it from memory , aint going upstairs too check , the mrs is up there and might want passion .. and footies comming on the telly..oh ... the pellets used in Goldstar are the Daystate .177H ( 10.24 grn )
Thanks, and yes I remember school Y Fronts :) Sometimes cheap pellets work, but you really have to look hard. The cheaper the pellet, usually the poorer the quality control and hence the grouping accuracy. The are cheap for a reason.
Yes. Cheap pellets can be good.
My Sig Sauer MCX co2 rifle jammed often with RWS Meisterkuglen pellets (about 9€ per 500pc tin over here). Cheap (4€ per 500pc tin) domed pellets by Atom Outdoors jammed..never. And results on target was about the same.
Surely the co2 driven MCX ain't no PCP target rifle - but whatever area the red dot covered - the whatever brand pellets landed there.
Good review Steve, many thx mate.
NP : Glad it helped
just bought my first springer in years. i use to be into my rifle years ago but sold my hw80k years ago. so i just picked up a half decent springer to get bk into it. i too am now having problems in what to buy. so i went with bisley premiers .22 for mt first ammo. they were £7.99 for 200 which i think is pretty expensive so hopefully should be a good pellet. i only just got this rifle and havint shot it yet lol. but yeah, whats your take on bisley? thanks
Not played with them. Best thing to do is look for those people who sell selection packs of pellets to try without buying the whole time. Good pellets to try are AA diabolo field sports, they always work well, but others out there may be better.
ok thanks, will look into getting sample packs for sure. these bisley premiers are made by H&N , little sticker on bottom of the tin, they look quality. AA diabolo will try thanks
Excellent video !
Thank you very much!
On the other hand, you can obtain EXPENSIVE pellets that would still give you a headache. Couple of days ago I bought RWS Power Bolt pellets (150 pieces in a box), advertised as "extremely efficient", "retaining power on long distances" and blah blah... Yeah, yeah, but no one told me that these 0.92 gram bastards WONT BLOODY FIT into the barrel (they seem to be slightly thicker than cal.177/4.5 mm) SO BOTH of my airguns - Norica Spider (10 Joules) and Baikal (7.5 Joules) "choked" on these pellets - I had to push the pellets down the barrel for a millimeter or two to make the guns able to discharge. Luckily, the unsuccessful first attempts did not distorted the sealing gaskets... Mind you: I have never had such problems with ANY other pellets, being the cheapest "no name" ones or Crossman's and Gamo's like hollow point, hunter etc. so it DEFINITELY is not a specific air gun model related...
Yup swings both ways as well. Try as many pellets as you can before deciding.
How can you dislike this?
I can dislike this because it's comparing apples to oranges. He's not just comparing cheap to expensive, but comparing different mass pellets. A heavier pellet will give better grouping as long as the gun can handle it, otherwise not. What he *should* have done, IMO, is find the best weight for each gun, and then compare pellets of exactly that weight. Otherwise, it's a crap shoot. So, thumbs down.
@@artheen4713 That would be more scientific but, as Steve mentions , this is not suppose to be. On that note, I tried to check your youtube channel for a better demonstration and could not find one. Too bad...
my HW95 hates jsb exact and loves RWS super domes, My Tx200 only likes 4.51 exacts, my Wildcat seems to like anything and my Impact loves H&N barracuda match. it just goes to show the importance of pellet testing your rifles.
Hi Steve
Do you still do anything with Edgun Leshiy or do you keep any spares for them at all I know in the past you have done videos on the Leshiy I’m after a 177 barrel for mine that’s all any imfo will be much appreciated
Great information 🎯 thanks buddy
No problem 👍
What a great, fun video. Thanks
As mentioned in the video it is quality that matters - I am not that knowledgeable but would remind beginners that a 10 pound tin might be available elsewhere at 4 pound odd. e.g. delivery today of .22 .177 (2 Gamo, 1 Umarex) pellets - all 3 types are available at more than twice that I paid on the internet from both companies and Ebay e.g. Gamo pro hunter impact .177 at 4.29 for 500 tin - most places are 6 pounds and upward to Ebay at 11.70 and even a bag of 100 at 4.49 = 22.50 for 500!! Just be patient and be aware of the fancy prices out there.....
Good comments mate, nice review
Thank you.
Hello great video, can you help me I have just bought a Walther Rotex RM8 .22 air rifle I need a Bipod and cannot fined on to fit my gun can you tell me what I need please
These are made by JSB (The Sovereigns)
Very good video. I enjoyed it a lot.
Thank you
I have a rm8 177 and I have tested 30 top brands of pellets I my rifle and the only ones I found that were giving me very good grouping, was the crosman ultra magnums at 10.5gns yes pellet on pellet at 40m , now when I first started shooting I was 7 and now I am 59 and then I had a hw35, and all I used was milbro Caledonian pellets and these were great in the hw35 so the other day I bought a tin of milbro Caledonian pellets in 177, that's all I have fired is 177 so I put them in the mag of my rm8 and wow at 30m I was getting pellet on pellet so now my rm8 likes them, so there only £5 a tin so to say do not buy cheap pellets is wrong I have and it all depends what your rifle likes the daystate pellets were bloody awful in my rm8 you should be saying go to pell pax and get a sample pack and you get over 20 sample packs to try and get, a good one for your rifle its even cheaper the spending between £14 to £20 per tin as the sample pack is £20 delivered to your door
stephen hanson that is what i said at the end of the video. get a selection.
Good advice,"Sample Pack". You may not find the favorite pellet but you will find one you can live with!The favorite may take a few more,hope not too many.
Some people think expensive pellets are more accurate and to be fair they are better quality,. I still have old tins of wasps that can head shoot a pigeon at 40 yrd. but at 20yrd if my 100 did not put the red bull out on those targets (hole in hole) AA fields 4.52 I would re think shooting live quarry at anything past 40 yrd, the best groups on this video my rifle does at 45 yrd ! but then its a very accurate rifle with just a little help lol.
I might be wrong but are the wasps 5.6
Great advice 👍
Great video, thanks Steve. What is you number 1 pellet now?
When you state "the type of pellet to use depends on your rifle". Do this mean the actual make and model of rifle will be best suited to a make and type of pellet, or does it mean that regardless of what make and model your rifle is that ever single rifle will be best suited to it's own individual make of pellet?
Every rifle is unique so you should test several types of pellet brands, weights and shapes on it and find wich delivers better results. But, as a norm, cheap ones deliver worst results.
hi I use accu pells in my .22 & in my 177 range masters
So do I mate and never had any issues with them.
So for springer the best choice will be Superdome .
Great video. Very interesting. 👍
i just got a pcp have not fired it yet. i know nothing about air guns just what i see on youtube. how bout the weight of the pellet? the other thing i just don't take a pellet out of the ten and shoot it???
Was that a 6" group or a Constellation? 😋
Ever gun is a distinct individual and as such no two will shoot the same with the same pellet. Some guns aren't pellet picky, but some are extremely so.
Great review Steve ,cheap pellets are a waste of money i use mostly air arms diablo in .177 & .22 cal, for my ,20 huntsman i use H&N FTT pellets, the old saying is true
Pay peanuts you get Monkeys!!!!!!!
atb Brian
Too true, so many times, me included in the early days, I see people skimping on pellets and wondering why they can't zero or worse still wound an animal.
Hades diabolo .22 15.89 gr
The best I have ever tried so far
Pelet on pelet at 30 yards
Original ely wasps were very good pellets.. The ones you have now are not very good.. Also sometimes you can get a cheap pellet that works well in a particular barred.. Thats just the way it is.. Trial and error.!!
Yup, trail and error and finding the right pellet for your rifle.
Yeah I heard they used to be very good until another company started to make them and lowered the price accordingly.
They didn't lower the price though. :( I wish that Eley had never sold the brand. The company that make them now (John Rothery I think) changed the shape completely for some reason, and now Wasps are just not consistent. Such a shame.
ah thanks, that explains a lot.
All these guys don t worry about accuracy. They want groups. I shot competitively for years. You want both. You don't know your gear if you can't sight in for a 10x or bullseye. ...or you just might be a lousy shot
Point well taken my friend... cheap ammo isnt always the best. I have a Gamo Raptor... in which i have used Winchester rounds, gamo red fires, and now h&n hornets. The red fires work really good, but the h&n hornets are flat out AWESOME!! As far as the Winchester rounds go... are they related to the Wasp rounds in your video??? Because are absolute JUNK!!!
Many people make do with cheaper pellets and say they work with terrible groupings. That was the point of the video.
Steve Allan you are very right
Steve Allan when i got my first air rifle... i bought Winchester rounds... which were the cheapest. Boy did i learn a major lesson
that's a nice springer group!! why PCP?? Man that's dead critters every shot!!
Thanks it can be with the right pellets hence video