I think a better contender for "Most Damaging Segment" would be Tony Schavone's infamous, "That'll put a lot of butts in seats," give away of Foley's title win.
Soccer is the greatest sport on Earth and is massive in over 240 countries. AFL is big in 4 Australian states. Soccer will be number 1 sport in Australia by 2050
Aldis got outta there because Corgin was getting too involved, the product was getting silly, and audiences were diminishing. I don’t blame him for getting away from there. Had Corgin stayed in the background where he belongs and let Aldis among others handle the wrestling shows, the NWA might be in a far better place right now.
@@gothard5 He only got out of there and went to WWE because Corgan refused to allow him to play politics backstage in order to be NWA champion again after Tyrus won the title.
@davetozin9502 Arn wouldn't be a good booker and he'd say so himself tbh. Now, if the talent in the NWA need help with their matches and coming up with good finishes, Double A would be a great hire.
Well the democrats put stroke victims in the senate so I’m not so sure why democrats Jim and Brian are so surprised by Billy! He probably called everyone who questioned the appointment “ableist “, like Jim and Brian’s FAVORITE POLITICAL PARTY does
I don't think Billy actually said he was coming to CW... He said "a top 20 network"... He still maintains that he has a deal with a top 20 network... I think it's yet another case of the dirt sheets spreading misinformation like the usually do...
If anything a shot at tony would be someone offering billy it and him slapping it away saying he don't need that bullshit to run a company, this on the other hand was just a bit for that character
If it were produced like those Billionaire Ted skits, tongue and cheek with some jabroni dressed like Tony the Kid doing a bump with Sinister Minister, the skit might have gotten over. But, alas....
Corrigans biggest problem has always been his ego. That's what destroyed the Pumpkins back in the day. Even today the band is just Corrigan with a bunch of sideman who just happen to be original members. I would imagine his ego has hurt NWA just as bad. Losing Aldis and making Tyrus world champ pretty much prove that point.
NWA was never going with CW, Billy Corgan never said this the dirt sheets just ran with that story because they don't check their sources. And that may prove your point but not everyone feels the same about it as you. Check your ego before judging others.
I went to a rolling stones show several years ago. I have a friend who works for the stones, and the Smashing Pumpkins were one of the opening act. There was a section for handicap people, and Billy Corgan signed autographs for everyone in that section. Class act.
In 1961, Jack Paar left “The Tonight Show” on NBC, because the network censored out a joke about a White House Cabinet meeting room, being mistaken for a Water Closet (toilet). Paar was implying that President Kennedy and his cabinet were “full of sh*t”.
Billy Corgan went on Sirius XM's Busted Open Radio and revealed the TV deal. Their PR guy, a good guy by the way, was sending out press releases about their TV cards and had to put a disclaimer on the press release that he has no information about a "rumored" TV deal. That immediately made me wonder what was up so when this thing went up in smoke, it wasn't exactly a shock. I think Billy jumped the gun on announcing this.. And that is really making them shine badly in the eyes f even their fans because they felt they had something big and now they don't.
He never announced a deal with CW. The same dirt sheet reported this deal was with the CW, Haus of Wrestling, with no source, is the same one reporting the deal was off, right before WWE announced a deal. Which said deal didn’t happen overnight.
@@overmetalspeaks So the report I read said Corgan said it on Sirius XM's Busted Open. I don't listen to Busted Open much so I can't say I heard him do it. That was never the case? If not, how did the story catch such fire?
@@IWRInteractive Billy did go on Busted Open. He announced 2 deals with the “a top 20 network” Haus of Wrestling reported CW. No one denied within the NWA, but why would they? Billy recently reiterated that he still has a deal . I think the dirt sheets are leaning on that CW has been looking for Wrestling.
Well Paramount Network, formerly Spike, might be a destinatio but I believe CW has ties to Paramount so this could stand in the way of that. Triple H isn't smart. He's obvious. His booking is obvious. And, every move he makes is slow moving and predictable miles in advance. The problem is, they're so big it is tough to derail the actions. @@overmetalspeaks
I wish Jim Cornette was the owner of NWA. He knows how to book it. He got a lot of more history with it. I wish you was the Booker. I’ll actually give a damn about it. If you was the Booker and owner maybe Chris Masters would’ve been a heavyweight champion by now.
I can see how the Smashing Pumpkins could affect NWA. They were not active when Corgan started the promotion, and he was not touring on the same scale that he is now. The Pumpkins are one of the most successful bands of the last 30 years or so, and touring with them is a major production at this stage of their career. I can imagine that it would be difficult, if not impossible, for Corgan to do both, and devote the necessary amount of time to each of them. Obviously, the Pumpkins generate a helluva lot more income for Corgan personally, so the Pumpkins should be his priority. He may simply have too much going on at this point. He had no way to know that the Pumpkins would be reuniting when he started NWA, so it has likely reached a point where he will have to create some infrastructure and start delegating some of the responsibilities.
Sounds like he needs to go back to doing what he was doing before the pandemic - being an owner and letting the wrestling people take care of the wrestling shows.
@@DaltonRiley25 Totally subjective. Undeniable that they're still a huge touring act, and Corgan bringing the rasslers with him is a unique form of promotion that undeniably gets more eyes on his product. Pumpkins are opening for Green Day on a special Green Day anniversary tour. They headline everything else.
@cobracommanderspeaks Smashing Pumpkins are also going to "co-headline" a mini UK tour next June with Weezer but they're going on second so not really headlining that one either.
The Muhammad Hassan thing almost lost WWE their deal with UPN if they hadn't taken him off Smackdown years back. And of course, TNA getting bounced off of Spike TV because Dixie pissed off the network
Corgan probably has to go on the road with the Pumpkins, just to be able to pay everybody in his wrestling promotion. They're not making it on PPV sales.
Maybe Coregan never had a CW deal, and doing the coke spot has given the NWA a ton of publicity. Although its not "good publicity" ppl are talking about them, when they wouldnt have otherwise. Idk, trying to look at the positive here.
@@robertm.3520 And the Fingerpoke of Doom wasn't just screwing the fans out of the Nash-Hogan match, but also turning the Wolfpac back into Hogan's stooges, when the Wolfpac was one of the most popular things in WCW. Also, it was around this time that WCW reduced focusing on in-ring action and started trying to compete with the WWF on backstage shenanigans, T&A, car-crash TV etc. It became really bad under Russo, but the last ~7 months of Bischoff were also increasingly bad. They lost their USP vs. WWF and ECW. It was as if ECW did less hardcore/wild stuff and focused on walk-and-brawl punch-and-kick Attitude era wrestling.
Over the years in wrestling we've had necrophilia angles, people's real life addiction issues being turned into angles (Hawk, Scott Hall), and we even had one of the Road Warriors kayfabe commiting suicide over his addiction issues. But somehow this recent NWA faux pas is the worst, most shocking thing ever to happen in wrestling. We need to start ignoring what happens on twitter.
It's 2023 and we all know what the climate is. It was an all-time bonehead move. I'm surprised you're so quick to defend all that offensive stuff since, you know, you look Trans.
@@Shin-Blade doesn't matter. Social media crowds are loud and aren't representative of a whole community, just the loud minority. You in no way counter or refuted his statement. Try again.
You say that, but some of the issue is "time & place". You've had all those angles that seemed wild that didn't move needles, but then you also had a TV corporation pulling the plug on Mohammed Hassan or one "think piece" that blew Al Snow's HEAD gimmick way out of proportion (he supposedly was advocating for abusing and beheading women instead of being a crazy guy talking to a chunk of plastic/foam) where he had to stop using it. Much like the AEW thing with the quarters, the "Samhain Coke Spot" might have been a nothing issue six months ago or even six months from now. The wrong people seeing it at the wrong time took the story from a niche "haha, that's stupid... next" to "JESUS CHRIST! HOW COULD THEY?!?"
You know if anyone at NWA knows the middle aged bucks (sorry but when you’re knocking on 40’s door, young is silly) this is a possibility. You know TK is a mark for the famous. Shudder. 💪💥
People are trying to minimise this by comparing to Katie Vick etc. In WWE. Vince was always smart enough to do shady crap at a time when we didn't have Twitter.
3:00 The ECW Sandman Crucifixion resulted in Kurt Angle walking out of the arena & resulted in him not signing with ECW & almost turned him off of pro wrestling completely
@peacepunksean1942 you lost respect for Kurt when he didn't like or wanna work for a company doing a garbage ( extremely controversial spot)? Kurt was 100% right to walk away considering the company shut down not long after..
I kind of feel bad. I campaigned for La Rosa Negra to get back to NWA, pointed out Lightning One wasn't honoring a title shot she earned back when Tharpe owned it. People jumped on it, Jazz jumped on it. I thought I did an acquaintance a favor, but looks like my lack of foresight let one down instead.
Simon diamond has a stroke and the company puts him in charge of talent relations. So he's recovering from a stroke while dealing with talent who will make his blood pressure rise and may give him another stroke. Wtf is Corgan thinking. I hope Simon is doing well and he gets better.
I saw the Smashing Pumpkins a few years ago. I really went to see Noel Gallagher, who opened for them. Standing in line waiting to get in, there were several people in front of me talking about how the Pumpkins are the greatest band of all time. I disagreed with them in my head, but I digress.
Yup, those "loyalty tests" sound exactly like something Billy "I had a bad marriage and seven bad girlfriends in a row" Corgan would do. The guy isn't known for being an abusive sociopath for nothing. Imagine getting within sniffing distance of a TV deal and blowing it like this!
Billy Corgan, Court Bauer and Dave Marquez negotiating with Anthem Sports and Entertainment (parent company of TNA Wrestling) to air the National Wrestling Alliance, Major League Wrestling and the United Wrestling Network to air NWA: Powerrr, MLW: Fusion and UWN: Championship Wrestling Primetime Live on AXS TV (home of TNA Wrestling) would be a smart move by Corgan, Bauer and Marquez. If TNA Wrestling, the National Wrestling Alliance, Major League Wrestling and the United Wrestling Network (governing authority over multiple promotions) formed an alliance and each of the promoters , along with TNA Wrestling President Scott D'Amore created a committee, then that's your territory system right there.
@@NATENIGHT23 it was a "new nwa". In order to join a promotion must have its own TV deal. The UWN shows are decent. Their partners (Memphis wrestling, championship wrestling etc) are kind of hard to watch. Some good talent though.
@@NATENIGHT23 the United Wrestling Network is Pro Wrestling governing authority, much like how the National Wrestling Alliance used to be a few decades ago. The United Wrestling Network (UWN) was founded and established on October 21, 2013 and is owned by David Marquez. The UWN has currently four Pro Wrestling promotion affiliates under the UWN, which the promotions are: [1]. Championship Wrestling (CW). Previously known as Championship Wrestling. The Pro Wrestling CW promotion is represented by Nikko Marquez, and based out of California. CW has been under the UWN from 2013 to present. [2]. Pro Wrestling Zero 1. Zero 1 is represented by Shinjiro Otani and is based in Japan. Zero 1 has been under the UWN from 2017 to present. [3]. Memphis Wrestling. Not to be confused with the short lived Memphis Wrestling, owned by the late Coery Mackin that lasted from 2003 to 2014, which the Memphis Wrestling evolved from the short lived Terry Golden owned. Memphis Championship Wrestling, that lasted from 2000 to 2001. The current Memphis Wrestling, of course is based out of Tennessee, represented by Dustin Starr, and has been under the UWN from 2019 to present. [4]. Derby City Wrestling. Derby City Wrestling was recently affiliated under the UWN in 2023 to present and is based out of Kentucky, which isa direct competitor to Kentucky based Ohio Valley Wrestling. Currently, the UWN has a partnership with Billy Corgan's National Wrestling Alliance (NWA) to produce the UWN+NWA weekly show called Primetime Live at the Thunder Studios, located in Long Beach, California. UWN: Primetime Live can be seen weekly on NWA's TH-cam channel.
@@jasoncoles8063 Morton I understand he’s still a bit green and could definitely use some help with learning to talk. On the other hand Corino regardless of stature is a well rounded wrestler for his age and would definitely benefit from exposure from a company better than the NWA.
@@lracseroom8286 there own podcast on there own youtube channel at about 6 min 50 seconds in Kyle Davis states that they still have there tv deal . NWA not one time ever stated they had any deal with CW network .
I haven't watched the NWA since the beginning of the Pandemic. When it came back, it was terrible and their commentating team is the worst ever. I have zero interest in the NWA and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
Most damaging individual segment for one company: Fingerpoke of Doom, WCW. I know the infamous Schiavone call on Foley's WWF title win happened the same night, they even had Golberg's idiotic stalking and arrest angle, but those last five minutes were a leap in logic and top face burial so horrifically bad, they could never possibly recover the audience.
I've also heard that Rancid and Smashing Pumpkins are not getting along with green day. Like for the majority of the people involved it's a big tour with 3 big bands from the 90s. But from what I've been hearing in Hardcore/punk circles is that Green Day wants to be treated like the headliner and its pissing people off. Take it we a grain of salt though, these rumors came from the punk and hardcore communities, who love to shit on green day for being posers. So this could just be shit talking for shit talking sake.
Bummer to hear Simon Diamond's health isn't well. Under rated heel. I really liked the gimmick of Simon says to annoy. Along with that great entrance song in ECW. Hope he heals and gets better.
This was awesome. Billy Corgan must be on drugs or something because he just lost a lot of his talent when it comes time for them to resign. As far as most destructive spots that caused huge backlash on TV goes, the James Mitchell incident is tied with ECW's Raven crucifying Sandman on Pay Per View. The audience was "quiet" and Raven had to go out and publicly apologize for it.
Billy Corgan figured out life: he made a couple great pieces of art, a lot of money, and then has spent the last quarter century being a total asshole doing whatever the fuck he wants with no regard to anyone's opinion of him.
The Stone Cold/Vince comparison doesn't work here, simply because the WWE was still making a ton of money afterwards. The Benoit murder/suicide had a bigger financial impact on the WWE than Stone Cold's heel turn.
For any one that cares "Samhain" the name of the NWA ppv mentioned is pronounced "sou" like (sour) and when". The word is from the Celtic language. Celebration of the end of the harvest season (nov 1st) in pagan times and associated with winter/darkness/death. Halloween in Gaelic is Oiche Samhain. Now back to laughing at the guys 😂
That CW deal for NWA was not to be sniffed at.
That comment made me snort
CW had to draw a line somewhere
Bravo to all three of you.
That was a good one-liner.
I guess they blew it
I think a better contender for "Most Damaging Segment" would be Tony Schavone's infamous, "That'll put a lot of butts in seats," give away of Foley's title win.
That only cost them the night. It took two more years of incompetence to truly damage it. Same night as Finger Poke O' Doom, by the way.
The stroke victim being moved to talent relations killed me 😭😭😭😭😭😭
like that will help him lmao people running up to him yelling about stuff
It would be worse if you made him an AEW EVP along side of The Elite....
Why? There wasn't anything funny about it
I wish New Jack was around to see wrestlers doing coke on a PPV. He’d probably be crying like Matthew McConaughey in “Interstellar”
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Tony would have totally brought New Jack in to staple gun Moxley in the eye.
Oh man... Dutch and James showed that hogwash about Jim Mitchell. I'm like what the 🤬 is going on!!!
Tony Khan would of been snorting up too
Soccer is the greatest sport on Earth and is massive in over 240 countries. AFL is big in 4 Australian states. Soccer will be number 1 sport in Australia by 2050
A pissed off tv executive will always be a bigger threat to a wrestling promotion than any competitors.
Jamie Kellner has entered the chat.
It's interesting that one of the guys that could have helped Billy with the NWA booking/producing is now the GM of Smackdown.
Aldis got outta there because Corgin was getting too involved, the product was getting silly, and audiences were diminishing. I don’t blame him for getting away from there. Had Corgin stayed in the background where he belongs and let Aldis among others handle the wrestling shows, the NWA might be in a far better place right now.
@@gothard5 He only got out of there and went to WWE because Corgan refused to allow him to play politics backstage in order to be NWA champion again after Tyrus won the title.
Arn Anderson was recently from AEW. I would like to see Corgan bring him in as the booker.
I bet Aldis is having a good laugh right now sitting in his GM office with his fat WWE paycheck.
@davetozin9502 Arn wouldn't be a good booker and he'd say so himself tbh. Now, if the talent in the NWA need help with their matches and coming up with good finishes, Double A would be a great hire.
The last day Cornette was there there was Sierra Mist instead of Sprite Zero in the cooler so he put a curse on the NWA
I love hearing Jim genuinely laughing
It's the best
Shit puts a smile on my face right away. Too funny
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@@jamirimaj68805:10
Well the democrats put stroke victims in the senate so I’m not so sure why democrats Jim and Brian are so surprised by Billy! He probably called everyone who questioned the appointment “ableist “, like Jim and Brian’s FAVORITE POLITICAL PARTY does
So, one could say that NXT going to The CW has made Billy Corgan "Mellon Collie" and "Infinitely Sad"?
I don't think Billy actually said he was coming to CW... He said "a top 20 network"... He still maintains that he has a deal with a top 20 network... I think it's yet another case of the dirt sheets spreading misinformation like the usually do...
I am a vicious UNO player and seeing the thumbnail by Travis made me laugh! Well played!
Weirdflex
I fancy myself an UNO connoisseur
I do wonder if the coke angle was a shot at Tony Khan, that has backfired massively
If anything a shot at tony would be someone offering billy it and him slapping it away saying he don't need that bullshit to run a company, this on the other hand was just a bit for that character
If it were produced like those Billionaire Ted skits, tongue and cheek with some jabroni dressed like Tony the Kid doing a bump with Sinister Minister, the skit might have gotten over. But, alas....
People are gonna get confused by what wrestlers mean when they say they took a bump
Bumping like a boss takes on a whole new meaning 😂😂
Best line here ❄💀🤣
Corrigans biggest problem has always been his ego. That's what destroyed the Pumpkins back in the day. Even today the band is just Corrigan with a bunch of sideman who just happen to be original members. I would imagine his ego has hurt NWA just as bad. Losing Aldis and making Tyrus world champ pretty much prove that point.
Corgan.
Umm billy is smashing pumpkins always has been
Not really news, he played all the instruments on the albums, mainly because he was the only one sober enough to do it.
@@johndavies5582 The albums without Jimmy Chamberlain are ALWAYS weaker. It's mostly a one man band but not entirely.
NWA was never going with CW, Billy Corgan never said this the dirt sheets just ran with that story because they don't check their sources. And that may prove your point but not everyone feels the same about it as you. Check your ego before judging others.
I wish we could hear Nick Aldis’s feelings on the subject.
I'm guessing after CW landed NXT, they were looking for a excuse to back out of the NWA deal.
I went to a rolling stones show several years ago. I have a friend who works for the stones, and the Smashing Pumpkins were one of the opening act. There was a section for handicap people, and Billy Corgan signed autographs for everyone in that section. Class act.
Cornette maybe one of the funniest guys ever. I listen to these all the time before bed but I laugh so much I can't sleep.
Corgan is just a mark like Tony only with less money.
He’s the Dexter to Tony Khan’s Mandark.
Billy's more talented and has probably never paid for sex.
@@similaritiesendhereI’ll take billions of dollars over talent lol
@@similaritiesendhere Less likely, but he's always had the public persona of being a bit of a dweeb, especially by rock-star standards.
@@juansanchez209 Billy didn't need daddy's help to become a rich douchebag.
5:01 This is one of the funniest moments in the history of this podcast, and that's saying something. 😂
God I want to hit that timestamp so bad
It wasn’t that funny at all.
It was hilarious 😂
@@americafirst4585🤓 🤓 🤓
We're all going to hell for laughing along 💀
they thought they were going to the CW, instead they're headed for the WC
The bathroom is the best place to do c**e tbh.
Not enough people know what a WC is I guess, but I think it was a really well done one liner👍😂
What’s WC?
@@Gulag00, WC is an abbreviation for Water Closet 🚾 (which is a restroom 🚻).
In 1961, Jack Paar left “The Tonight Show” on NBC, because the network censored out a joke about a White House Cabinet meeting room, being mistaken for a Water Closet (toilet). Paar was implying that President Kennedy and his cabinet were “full of sh*t”.
Despite of his rage Billy’s still just paying minimum wage
Billy Corgan went on Sirius XM's Busted Open Radio and revealed the TV deal. Their PR guy, a good guy by the way, was sending out press releases about their TV cards and had to put a disclaimer on the press release that he has no information about a "rumored" TV deal. That immediately made me wonder what was up so when this thing went up in smoke, it wasn't exactly a shock. I think Billy jumped the gun on announcing this.. And that is really making them shine badly in the eyes f even their fans because they felt they had something big and now they don't.
He never announced a deal with CW. The same dirt sheet reported this deal was with the CW, Haus of Wrestling, with no source, is the same one reporting the deal was off, right before WWE announced a deal. Which said deal didn’t happen overnight.
@@overmetalspeaks So the report I read said Corgan said it on Sirius XM's Busted Open. I don't listen to Busted Open much so I can't say I heard him do it. That was never the case? If not, how did the story catch such fire?
@@IWRInteractive Billy did go on Busted Open. He announced 2 deals with the “a top 20 network” Haus of Wrestling reported CW. No one denied within the NWA, but why would they? Billy recently reiterated that he still has a deal . I think the dirt sheets are leaning on that CW has been looking for Wrestling.
Well Paramount Network, formerly Spike, might be a destinatio but I believe CW has ties to Paramount so this could stand in the way of that. Triple H isn't smart. He's obvious. His booking is obvious. And, every move he makes is slow moving and predictable miles in advance. The problem is, they're so big it is tough to derail the actions. @@overmetalspeaks
I wish Jim Cornette was the owner of NWA. He knows how to book it. He got a lot of more history with it. I wish you was the Booker. I’ll actually give a damn about it. If you was the Booker and owner maybe Chris Masters would’ve been a heavyweight champion by now.
Move over AEW, we've got a new player!
Billy Corgan: Go-Fish
Jim Cornette: Mothefucker we’re playing UNO
I can see how the Smashing Pumpkins could affect NWA. They were not active when Corgan started the promotion, and he was not touring on the same scale that he is now. The Pumpkins are one of the most successful bands of the last 30 years or so, and touring with them is a major production at this stage of their career. I can imagine that it would be difficult, if not impossible, for Corgan to do both, and devote the necessary amount of time to each of them. Obviously, the Pumpkins generate a helluva lot more income for Corgan personally, so the Pumpkins should be his priority. He may simply have too much going on at this point. He had no way to know that the Pumpkins would be reuniting when he started NWA, so it has likely reached a point where he will have to create some infrastructure and start delegating some of the responsibilities.
Smashing Pumpkins are opening for Green Day next Summer.
Sounds like he needs to go back to doing what he was doing before the pandemic - being an owner and letting the wrestling people take care of the wrestling shows.
Smashing pumpkins are not that good
@@DaltonRiley25 Totally subjective. Undeniable that they're still a huge touring act, and Corgan bringing the rasslers with him is a unique form of promotion that undeniably gets more eyes on his product.
Pumpkins are opening for Green Day on a special Green Day anniversary tour. They headline everything else.
@cobracommanderspeaks Smashing Pumpkins are also going to "co-headline" a mini UK tour next June with Weezer but they're going on second so not really headlining that one either.
Nick Aldis got out just in time!
Now do i go back and listen to all the Nick Aldis interviews from earlier in the year, or last year. I thought they were doing an angle at that time
The Muhammad Hassan thing almost lost WWE their deal with UPN if they hadn't taken him off Smackdown years back. And of course, TNA getting bounced off of Spike TV because Dixie pissed off the network
Yeah. I don’t think cocaine is NEARLY as bad as the Mohammad Hassan kidnapping thing…also, HHH fucking a corpse was pretty awful.
TNA lost Spike TV because of Vince Russo and they lied about him not working for them...
Yeah, TNA losing Spike over Russo still booking was definitely worse
@@Shin-Blade People still believe this?
@@NATENIGHT23Not really. They’re up on Peacock while the Benito tribute show isn’t, so they can’t be that embarrassed by it
Hearing Jim laugh is like hearing a baby laugh. Too precious for this world
Jim and Brian at 5:10. 💀😂
I can't wait for the Dark Side of the Ring episode on Billy Corgan's NWA
I'm guessing that the "club spot" at Samhain was supposed to be an early preview of the reality show.... 🤣
Billy so obsessed with ZERO he made sure that's how much the CW deal netted
Corgan probably has to go on the road with the Pumpkins, just to be able to pay everybody in his wrestling promotion. They're not making it on PPV sales.
Dutch called EC3’s response a war and peace novel. He started reading it and gave up on it. His co-host read the whole thing though.
NWA would be super cheap to get on your network as well. If they gave nxt that much then Nwa would get like a third or quarter of that amount.
Maybe Coregan never had a CW deal, and doing the coke spot has given the NWA a ton of publicity. Although its not "good publicity" ppl are talking about them, when they wouldnt have otherwise. Idk, trying to look at the positive here.
Exactly what I was saying
@wwltd3036 It's not like they had fans in the first place. So he really couldn't lose any. His PPV had like 200 buys.
I'll wager WCW Nitro spoiling the RAW ending of Mankind winning the WWF championship was pretty financially costly in the long run.
Excellent call.
That episode was a one-two punch, also having the Fingerpoke of Doom
The fingerpoke of doom which happened on the same show was much worse than that.
@@robertm.3520 And the Fingerpoke of Doom wasn't just screwing the fans out of the Nash-Hogan match, but also turning the Wolfpac back into Hogan's stooges, when the Wolfpac was one of the most popular things in WCW. Also, it was around this time that WCW reduced focusing on in-ring action and started trying to compete with the WWF on backstage shenanigans, T&A, car-crash TV etc. It became really bad under Russo, but the last ~7 months of Bischoff were also increasingly bad. They lost their USP vs. WWF and ECW. It was as if ECW did less hardcore/wild stuff and focused on walk-and-brawl punch-and-kick Attitude era wrestling.
I'd put the main event of Starrcade 97 up there, too.
Contracts? What can they be? $50-100 per match? $250 for the champ?
Over the years in wrestling we've had necrophilia angles, people's real life addiction issues being turned into angles (Hawk, Scott Hall), and we even had one of the Road Warriors kayfabe commiting suicide over his addiction issues.
But somehow this recent NWA faux pas is the worst, most shocking thing ever to happen in wrestling.
We need to start ignoring what happens on twitter.
I agree, people needs to shut the fuck up all the time.
It's 2023 and we all know what the climate is. It was an all-time bonehead move.
I'm surprised you're so quick to defend all that offensive stuff since, you know, you look Trans.
First off, all those previous angles were done in the age where social media did not exist...
@@Shin-Blade doesn't matter. Social media crowds are loud and aren't representative of a whole community, just the loud minority. You in no way counter or refuted his statement. Try again.
You say that, but some of the issue is "time & place". You've had all those angles that seemed wild that didn't move needles, but then you also had a TV corporation pulling the plug on Mohammed Hassan or one "think piece" that blew Al Snow's HEAD gimmick way out of proportion (he supposedly was advocating for abusing and beheading women instead of being a crazy guy talking to a chunk of plastic/foam) where he had to stop using it.
Much like the AEW thing with the quarters, the "Samhain Coke Spot" might have been a nothing issue six months ago or even six months from now. The wrong people seeing it at the wrong time took the story from a niche "haha, that's stupid... next" to "JESUS CHRIST! HOW COULD THEY?!?"
AEW couldn't sniff the quality of the NWA
It was both Steve Austin embracing Vince's Dark Side AND the horrible mishandling of the WCW/ECW Invasion angle.
NWA and AEW need to start collaborating. Tony and Billy would be booking geniuses. 😂
There’s not enough cocaine in the world to keep that pairing going
You know if anyone at NWA knows the middle aged bucks (sorry but when you’re knocking on 40’s door, young is silly) this is a possibility. You know TK is a mark for the famous. Shudder. 💪💥
They already did, and it failed.
Big TV Deal ? Followed by controversy ? Sounds like they took a page from the Kardashian book
I think its pronounced "Sah-Win" but I could be wrong
It's Irish/Gaelic
Yeah that's how it's pronounced. And yeah it's a Celtic Irish term. The Irish invented Halloween lol
SOW-IN , with SOW rhyming with COW, is nearer, but yeah
@@mja2317 Gaelic is the name of the language. You'd say Celtic or Irish, not Celtic Irish smh
People are trying to minimise this by comparing to Katie Vick etc. In WWE. Vince was always smart enough to do shady crap at a time when we didn't have Twitter.
3:00 The ECW Sandman Crucifixion resulted in Kurt Angle walking out of the arena & resulted in him not signing with ECW & almost turned him off of pro wrestling completely
Honestly lost all respect for angle when I heard that
@peacepunksean1942 you lost respect for Kurt when he didn't like or wanna work for a company doing a garbage ( extremely controversial spot)? Kurt was 100% right to walk away considering the company shut down not long after..
@@RealSpudsBuckley Eh the spot was badass
I kind of feel bad. I campaigned for La Rosa Negra to get back to NWA, pointed out Lightning One wasn't honoring a title shot she earned back when Tharpe owned it. People jumped on it, Jazz jumped on it. I thought I did an acquaintance a favor, but looks like my lack of foresight let one down instead.
Billy has to go to work to pay the bills so the boys can get paid.
Simon diamond has a stroke and the company puts him in charge of talent relations. So he's recovering from a stroke while dealing with talent who will make his blood pressure rise and may give him another stroke. Wtf is Corgan thinking. I hope Simon is doing well and he gets better.
I saw the Smashing Pumpkins a few years ago. I really went to see Noel Gallagher, who opened for them. Standing in line waiting to get in, there were several people in front of me talking about how the Pumpkins are the greatest band of all time. I disagreed with them in my head, but I digress.
They have a few good ones but, meh
Pumpkins are a great band not the greatest all time. But they don't always get the respect though.
@@justin3415For good reason
idc man
There was a time the Pumpkins would have been the opener for Oasis.
Yup, those "loyalty tests" sound exactly like something Billy "I had a bad marriage and seven bad girlfriends in a row" Corgan would do. The guy isn't known for being an abusive sociopath for nothing.
Imagine getting within sniffing distance of a TV deal and blowing it like this!
Fox knows Drama!
Billy Corgan, Court Bauer and Dave Marquez negotiating with Anthem Sports and Entertainment (parent company of TNA Wrestling) to air the National Wrestling Alliance, Major League Wrestling and the United Wrestling Network to air NWA: Powerrr, MLW: Fusion and UWN: Championship Wrestling Primetime Live on AXS TV (home of TNA Wrestling) would be a smart move by Corgan, Bauer and Marquez.
If TNA Wrestling, the National Wrestling Alliance, Major League Wrestling and the United Wrestling Network (governing authority over multiple promotions) formed an alliance and each of the promoters , along with TNA Wrestling President Scott D'Amore created a committee, then that's your territory system right there.
@@NATENIGHT23 it was a "new nwa". In order to join a promotion must have its own TV deal. The UWN shows are decent. Their partners (Memphis wrestling, championship wrestling etc) are kind of hard to watch. Some good talent though.
@@NATENIGHT23 the United Wrestling Network is Pro Wrestling governing authority, much like how the National Wrestling Alliance used to be a few decades ago.
The United Wrestling Network (UWN) was founded and established on October 21, 2013 and is owned by David Marquez. The UWN has currently four Pro Wrestling promotion affiliates under the UWN, which the promotions are:
[1]. Championship Wrestling (CW).
Previously known as Championship Wrestling. The Pro Wrestling CW promotion is represented by Nikko Marquez, and based out of California. CW has been under the UWN from 2013 to present.
[2]. Pro Wrestling Zero 1. Zero 1 is represented by Shinjiro Otani and is based in Japan. Zero 1 has been under the UWN from 2017 to present.
[3]. Memphis Wrestling. Not to be confused with the short lived Memphis Wrestling, owned by the late Coery Mackin that lasted from 2003 to 2014, which the Memphis Wrestling evolved from the short lived Terry Golden owned. Memphis Championship Wrestling, that lasted from 2000 to 2001.
The current Memphis Wrestling, of course is based out of Tennessee, represented by Dustin Starr, and has been under the UWN from 2019 to present.
[4]. Derby City Wrestling. Derby City Wrestling was recently affiliated under the UWN in 2023 to present and is based out of Kentucky, which isa direct competitor to Kentucky based Ohio Valley Wrestling.
Currently, the UWN has a partnership with Billy Corgan's National Wrestling Alliance (NWA) to produce the UWN+NWA weekly show called Primetime Live at the Thunder Studios, located in Long Beach, California. UWN: Primetime Live can be seen weekly on NWA's TH-cam channel.
5:00 best moment. Im always hoping more a moment like this in the podcast everytime
imagen the Katie Vick segment today...
First segment i thought of. And Vince vs God. Haha
@claybaxter3202 Durag vince would've been a bloodbath if it happened today
@@AustenHilton oh shit. I forgot about that. Hahahaha
@@AustenHilton remember when Vince called Cena N**ger on live tv?
I guess Vince is too rich to be cancelled anyway.
@@AustenHiltonugh don't remind me of that ugly thing Vince tried to pull off wantin to be "down"
Public access television is still available?
It’s unfortunate that Colby corino, Kerry Morton and big strong mims are stuck in this joke promotion
Kerry Morton lol.. he's a joke.. Colby is 3 foot 1 inch it's the only chance they have
@@jasoncoles8063 Morton I understand he’s still a bit green and could definitely use some help with learning to talk. On the other hand Corino regardless of stature is a well rounded wrestler for his age and would definitely benefit from exposure from a company better than the NWA.
Billy Corgan has the same energy as that guy in Tiger King that would bring the tigers to a Vegas hotel and wanted a reality show.
never heard Cornette laugh so hard
Maybe NWA needs a scarface gimmick. He won't get high on Billy's supply.
However watching NWA podcast last night there is still a tv deal in place .
With which one: The Copium Channel or ImaginaryTV?
@@lracseroom8286 there own podcast on there own youtube channel at about 6 min 50 seconds in Kyle Davis states that they still have there tv deal . NWA not one time ever stated they had any deal with CW network .
Hell it would make more sense to me that the deal would be with a station where they have already been filming from there studio .
@@RiotAct911 Do you also watch WWE's The Bump and take everything said on that at face value?
What IS the weather like in Narnia by the way?
@@lracseroom8286 I believe the actual source more then a second rate dirt sheet yes .
Matt Riddle to NWA confirmed
It's most likely not happening, but imagine if MJF's partner at Full Gear were Hammerstone...
FWIW the name of the show is pronounced SAH-WIN. It's Gaelic.
That just tells me there was no deal with the cw.
Why don’t they see that this story simply isn’t true?
Imagine going back 40 years and telling Cornette what the NWA would be reduced to.
To be honest I don't think he would be surprised
I haven't watched the NWA since the beginning of the Pandemic. When it came back, it was terrible and their commentating team is the worst ever. I have zero interest in the NWA and I don't see that changing anytime soon.
Not so fast. I think it’s better right now.
Most damaging individual segment for one company: Fingerpoke of Doom, WCW. I know the infamous Schiavone call on Foley's WWF title win happened the same night, they even had Golberg's idiotic stalking and arrest angle, but those last five minutes were a leap in logic and top face burial so horrifically bad, they could never possibly recover the audience.
I've also heard that Rancid and Smashing Pumpkins are not getting along with green day. Like for the majority of the people involved it's a big tour with 3 big bands from the 90s. But from what I've been hearing in Hardcore/punk circles is that Green Day wants to be treated like the headliner and its pissing people off. Take it we a grain of salt though, these rumors came from the punk and hardcore communities, who love to shit on green day for being posers. So this could just be shit talking for shit talking sake.
Bummer to hear Simon Diamond's health isn't well. Under rated heel. I really liked the gimmick of Simon says to annoy. Along with that great entrance song in ECW. Hope he heals and gets better.
James Mitchell has been absolutely ruined in NWA.
Drama with the NWA???? Ask Jim how tough Trevor Murdoch is!!!!!
Didn't WWF lose a British TV deal with Channel 4 after Mae Young's horror show at the 2000 Royal Rumble?
I think it wasn't Royal Rumble 2000, I think it was Vengeance 2001.
@@GenGamesUniverse You might be thinking of something else. Vengeance 2001 was almost two years later.
The granny titty spot?
Vengeance 2001 was when Jericho won both titles. That was on Channel 4 and then the deal ended after that.
The Smashing Pumpkins, tour in 2023? WOW!
This was awesome. Billy Corgan must be on drugs or something because he just lost a lot of his talent when it comes time for them to resign. As far as most destructive spots that caused huge backlash on TV goes, the James Mitchell incident is tied with ECW's Raven crucifying Sandman on Pay Per View. The audience was "quiet" and Raven had to go out and publicly apologize for it.
Cocaine is a helluva drug!!
I was there live and holy shit was it awkward. Sad part is there were some old school matches Jim and Brian would've enjoyed.
5:00 Putting a stroke victim in charge of any talent relations is nuts! Might be funnier than the cocaine spot... 🤣
Why does every booker these days want to have the Vince McMahon 22-hour workday? Are they trying to prove a point?
Brawl for All
I am not a fan of Brain, for you Mr. Cornette I endure him. Will say this he knows his wrestling. His personality I can’t but I do.
How do you feel about Pinky?
That asshole always out for world domination
17:28 I saw that video; he said they basically never told him his status; like left in the dark.
Shilling at 17:57
Billy Corgan figured out life: he made a couple great pieces of art, a lot of money, and then has spent the last quarter century being a total asshole doing whatever the fuck he wants with no regard to anyone's opinion of him.
The source? Chris Jericho
Has anyone ever left a promotion at a better time than Nick Aldis recently did???
The Stone Cold/Vince comparison doesn't work here, simply because the WWE was still making a ton of money afterwards. The Benoit murder/suicide had a bigger financial impact on the WWE than Stone Cold's heel turn.
S/O POUGHKEEPSIE NEW YORK
Well if he’s not touring, how will they be funded? It’s probably all loss for him financially. Gotta hire a full time booker.
Most expensive bump in wrestling history.
Brian cooking at Last Manor tonight 😂
Wouldn’t a close second being Bishoff announcing raw Match results?
For any one that cares "Samhain" the name of the NWA ppv mentioned is pronounced "sou" like (sour) and when". The word is from the Celtic language. Celebration of the end of the harvest season (nov 1st) in pagan times and associated with winter/darkness/death. Halloween in Gaelic is Oiche Samhain. Now back to laughing at the guys 😂
It's almost as if billionaire marks should hire someone to run the wrestling business for them.
Billy Corgan is far from being a billionaire.
A good term for them could be "Dicksy Carter"😂
It isn't like the morons that run the WWE do any better job than the billionaire marks do.
He lost Nick Aldis because of this. It seems promoters these days just don't understand why they shouldn't be in the business.
I'm digging NWA
I don’t get it. To me nwa is actually the most wrestling wrestling show and it’s not even close. I don’t think half of this story is true.
Was that NWA CW Deal officially announced before this mess? Asking because would have WWE agreed to a deal, with the NWA being on the same network?
I believe this info is false. NWA never announced a deal with CW.
Corgan's doing Willy Wonka shit... Don't take the Gobstopper!