Nice board and great technique! I had a foildrive the flakey remote connection was definitely one of the worst aspects about it other than the clugey box on top of the board. The new Cedrus mast version is a big step in the right direction hopefully they keep improving.
Nice! I ride an Amundson supermodel 34l 4’6”x17… usually with the Lift 120HA. Do you think an FD would mount well on that? I’m!a bit freaked out with the potential of legs getting slashed by prop since not much Tail of board behind the mast.
That board looks pretty slick. Anything you’d change about it? A buddy and I are thinking of making something very similar. In the 50-60L range but similar shape in concept. I’m liking the stale fish technique! I’d didn’t even know you could hold the remote like that under water and it would work. Thanks for the tip!
Thx! The board turned out pretty good. Only thing I’d say is maybe hold off on installing foot strap inserts until you’ve ridden the board for awhile. It’s hard to get them in the correct position.
Hi. It depends on where your feet are on the board. Mast forward in the tracks is more advanced, more efficient. But, only to a point because the board must be balanced. Ride your board and look at where your rear foot is. Do you have foot strap inserts behind your rear foot? If so, then no problem. Attached the box behind your rear foot. 😎🤙
@@flightjunkie808 thanks for the fast answer! I don't have the board yet... Have to buy something. Ideally it should be good for dock-start, prone and foil-assist...
@@vim55k There are a lot of factors that go into a good board. I would recommend trying before you buy, or getting the setup you see other using with the same foil you have. Some brands don’t mix well together. And what makes a good dock start board VS a prone board are worlds apart. You will have a pile of boards soon. The thing to avoid is boards that don’t work well. 😎🤙
In flat water with low ocean energy I don’t really notice it. But, when in big wind swell or surf with a lot of energy and more force needed to maintain control, that’s when I notice it. I’m 175lbs. Heavier riders claim to have problems sooner. 🤷♂️. This is the A+ mast. The A+ mast is stiffer than the original 85cm mast probably by as much as the new performance mast is stiffer than the A+ mast if that makes any sense. 😂🤙
@@flightjunkie808 curious if you say that because you read it somewhere or because you felt it. My experience was different, for me A+ and non A+ are the same exact masts. I made a video about that: th-cam.com/video/TG_C9n-0Q8Y/w-d-xo.html Cheers
@@gcammar Hi. Yes! I’ve watched your video. You do a great job. I have not personally experienced the difference. Armstrong has confirmed that the A+ mast is stiffer than the pre A+ mast. I’m not saying your test results were wrong. Just maybe that was the exception? Like maybe you got a late generation pre A+ that they already made stiffer? Idk. But, plenty of long time Armstrong riders say they have both masts and the A+ is much stiffer. It’s also possible that the pre A+ mast has structural failure internally that makes it lose it’s stiffness and your mast hasn’t failed. 🤷♂️
Hi! Thx. This is the foil drive assist plus with the standard battery. That’s the biggest battery option. Works good. I only have one battery and my legs are cooked by the time the battery is dead. 😎👍
If you are just motoring around on foil probably 30 minutes. But, if you just use it to get on foil the power off and pump till exhaustion then motor up wind and do it again, I get about an hour session.
Nice work mate. Do you find this much easier than say a 4'8 - 4'10 board at similar volume? And do you think it's nicer / easier to pump with it at the back rather than out front to the side? See also you had it not to high up on the mast but seemed to still work good for pumping. I just used the MA1750 yesterday with foil drive and it worked so nicely...such a nice smooth lift.
Hi! Thank you. I had this custom 40L board made the same as a downwind board if you are familiar with those. Like the Kalama Barracuda, the Malolo is Amundson’s DW shape. Long and skinny seems to be best for low drag. I just had it shrunk down to 40L. Yes, I’m very impressed with how easy it starts. But, with a big enough foil I’m sure you could start just about anything with a lay down type start. As far as for pumping, it depends on if your setup is front foot or rear foot heavy. My Armstrong setup is rear foot heavy, so having the box in the back makes pumping easier. This setup also makes the box closer to the center of rotation, the axis around which the board rotates in pitch when pumping. The ideal setup is one where the board weight is equal both sides of this axis. 😎🤙
@@flightjunkie808by the look of the underwater shot at timestamp 7:05, with the weight of the battery behind your back foot, you must be pretty close to acheiving that perfect balance fore/aft of the mast. Looks like an epic setup!
@@flightjunkie808thanks. Yeah it makes a lot of sense. Is the primary use of this setup for efficient Foil Drive assisted takeoffs in flat water, followed by balanced pumping? I’m curious to know whether you think this would be a good approach for Foil Drive assisted surf foiling? Or would the 2’ or so of tail overhang get in the way? It certainly looks the part!
@@guywhitworth5764 The long tail makes the board plane faster with less drag. So, it would make catching small waves easier. The tail doesn’t hurt with high aspect foils because they need a much flatter pitch for takeoff or they stall, so like a runway type takeoff. Low aspect foils really like a good kick tail so you can pitch the board nose up to pop up onto foil. Everything is a trade off though, so there is some overlap.
I see sharks quite often. I’m regularly a few miles out to sea by myself foiling. So far no issues. You just have to project energy that you are also a apex predator. Be like Ocean Ramsey right!? 🤣🤷♂️
😂👍 You gotta pay to play my friend. You telling me you’ll buy a $2,000 board, and $2,000 foil setup, and a $1,000 wing, but then you draw the line at buying a foil drive? This is equivalent to a Onewheel or a high end electric skateboard or scooter. You can build it yourself, but, you’ll have almost as much money in a quality build and a sh!t load of your blood sweat and tears. I don’t know how much you value your time? I built an efoil board from scratch and let me tell you, it was a lot of work and I ended up with around $5,000 in that build. But, yea. Sorry for the long reply. Oh, and sorry for giving you FOMO! 😎🤙
@@flightjunkie808 Yeah I know, I'm subscribed on you on efoil forum. I have found few days ago a price for this "assist" for 3000$ and was wondering that price - because 2 years ago it was already waydoo for 4000$. I spent 150 for motor (right not it's 450), 150 for VESC (right now also near 350+), I have bought two aluminum mast for 20$ each - right now they 100$. So in my case I have spent less than 1000$ for - flpsky motor + esc, mast, battery and some other parts. When I started to build it before corona all remaining parts (board + wings) was ~300$. But I didn't finished it, and understand that it really hard to build. I'm happy that I bought three VESC and two motors before corona started. All this components right now is x3 price.
@@VitaliiThe Yep. And here it is all this time later and you are still not out on the water riding. Time keeps ticking my friend. That’s why I bought the foil drive instead of building one. And I’m extremely happy with it. 😎🤙
@@flightjunkie808 but in any case, I don't understand why assist should cost 3000$ even now motor + vesc + battery on that assist could not costs more than 1000-1500$. I don't understand that 3000 price - maybe I was inattentive and missed something and this price including the board and full set. I'm not sure that I even could finish build this year because we have war since 2022 and actually water access/transport limited due this fact. So first year we was fully locked due corona, the second year was almost the same, and then war started
Ingenious! I might have to try this myself. Thanks.
Stoked, just got one to test. Like you to see you flying this thing so easy.
Thank you my friend! So much fun. I look forward to seeing your video! You put out great content! Keep it up! 😎🤙
@@flightjunkie808 thank you so much for the kind words. I am working on it.
Nice board and great technique! I had a foildrive the flakey remote connection was definitely one of the worst aspects about it other than the clugey box on top of the board. The new Cedrus mast version is a big step in the right direction hopefully they keep improving.
Sick board!
Outstanding skills....not sure I am sold on the rear mount though. Looks as awkward to pull off as a stale fish is.
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Hahahaha! I guess that’s one vote in favor of the name! 😂👍 and thank you for the kind words. 😎🤙
Nice! I ride an Amundson supermodel 34l 4’6”x17… usually with the Lift 120HA. Do you think an FD would mount well on that? I’m!a bit freaked out with the potential of legs getting slashed by prop since not much Tail of board behind the mast.
That board looks pretty slick. Anything you’d change about it? A buddy and I are thinking of making something very similar. In the 50-60L range but similar shape in concept.
I’m liking the stale fish technique! I’d didn’t even know you could hold the remote like that under water and it would work. Thanks for the tip!
Thx! The board turned out pretty good. Only thing I’d say is maybe hold off on installing foot strap inserts until you’ve ridden the board for awhile. It’s hard to get them in the correct position.
Which frontwing do you use in the video?
It’s listed in the video description. MA1750. 🤙
Do you think that I can find a place behind for foil-assist with regular not custom board, by moving the foil mast the most inside?
Hi. It depends on where your feet are on the board. Mast forward in the tracks is more advanced, more efficient. But, only to a point because the board must be balanced. Ride your board and look at where your rear foot is. Do you have foot strap inserts behind your rear foot? If so, then no problem. Attached the box behind your rear foot. 😎🤙
@@flightjunkie808 thanks for the fast answer!
I don't have the board yet...
Have to buy something.
Ideally it should be good for dock-start, prone and foil-assist...
@@flightjunkie808 as long as there is space behind the rear foot for a box, it will work, no?
@@vim55k There are a lot of factors that go into a good board. I would recommend trying before you buy, or getting the setup you see other using with the same foil you have. Some brands don’t mix well together. And what makes a good dock start board VS a prone board are worlds apart. You will have a pile of boards soon. The thing to avoid is boards that don’t work well. 😎🤙
Do you notice much of a performance difference from 85mast to new mast?
In flat water with low ocean energy I don’t really notice it. But, when in big wind swell or surf with a lot of energy and more force needed to maintain control, that’s when I notice it. I’m 175lbs. Heavier riders claim to have problems sooner. 🤷♂️. This is the A+ mast. The A+ mast is stiffer than the original 85cm mast probably by as much as the new performance mast is stiffer than the A+ mast if that makes any sense. 😂🤙
@@flightjunkie808 curious if you say that because you read it somewhere or because you felt it. My experience was different, for me A+ and non A+ are the same exact masts. I made a video about that: th-cam.com/video/TG_C9n-0Q8Y/w-d-xo.html
Cheers
@@gcammar Hi. Yes! I’ve watched your video. You do a great job. I have not personally experienced the difference. Armstrong has confirmed that the A+ mast is stiffer than the pre A+ mast. I’m not saying your test results were wrong. Just maybe that was the exception? Like maybe you got a late generation pre A+ that they already made stiffer? Idk. But, plenty of long time Armstrong riders say they have both masts and the A+ is much stiffer. It’s also possible that the pre A+ mast has structural failure internally that makes it lose it’s stiffness and your mast hasn’t failed. 🤷♂️
Good video thanks! What battery are you using? Is it the standard one? 8s3p?
Hi! Thx. This is the foil drive assist plus with the standard battery. That’s the biggest battery option. Works good. I only have one battery and my legs are cooked by the time the battery is dead. 😎👍
Very cool. How long can you stay out on a single charge? In an ideal situation I would ride out and then foil the waves back in
If you are just motoring around on foil probably 30 minutes. But, if you just use it to get on foil the power off and pump till exhaustion then motor up wind and do it again, I get about an hour session.
Nice work mate. Do you find this much easier than say a 4'8 - 4'10 board at similar volume? And do you think it's nicer / easier to pump with it at the back rather than out front to the side?
See also you had it not to high up on the mast but seemed to still work good for pumping.
I just used the MA1750 yesterday with foil drive and it worked so nicely...such a nice smooth lift.
Hi! Thank you. I had this custom 40L board made the same as a downwind board if you are familiar with those. Like the Kalama Barracuda, the Malolo is Amundson’s DW shape. Long and skinny seems to be best for low drag. I just had it shrunk down to 40L. Yes, I’m very impressed with how easy it starts. But, with a big enough foil I’m sure you could start just about anything with a lay down type start. As far as for pumping, it depends on if your setup is front foot or rear foot heavy. My Armstrong setup is rear foot heavy, so having the box in the back makes pumping easier. This setup also makes the box closer to the center of rotation, the axis around which the board rotates in pitch when pumping. The ideal setup is one where the board weight is equal both sides of this axis. 😎🤙
@@flightjunkie808by the look of the underwater shot at timestamp 7:05, with the weight of the battery behind your back foot, you must be pretty close to acheiving that perfect balance fore/aft of the mast. Looks like an epic setup!
@@guywhitworth5764 Yes! Good eye. That is why having the box behind the mast is a more efficient setup! 😎🤙
@@flightjunkie808thanks. Yeah it makes a lot of sense. Is the primary use of this setup for efficient Foil Drive assisted takeoffs in flat water, followed by balanced pumping? I’m curious to know whether you think this would be a good approach for Foil Drive assisted surf foiling? Or would the 2’ or so of tail overhang get in the way? It certainly looks the part!
@@guywhitworth5764 The long tail makes the board plane faster with less drag. So, it would make catching small waves easier. The tail doesn’t hurt with high aspect foils because they need a much flatter pitch for takeoff or they stall, so like a runway type takeoff. Low aspect foils really like a good kick tail so you can pitch the board nose up to pop up onto foil. Everything is a trade off though, so there is some overlap.
What is your weight?
80kg when I filmed this. 🤙
Looks like a lour for a shark
I see sharks quite often. I’m regularly a few miles out to sea by myself foiling. So far no issues. You just have to project energy that you are also a apex predator. Be like Ocean Ramsey right!? 🤣🤷♂️
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Yea. Sorry. It’s pretty bad. 😭🤦♂️
Is that a foil drive assist BS which costs 3000$?
😂👍 You gotta pay to play my friend. You telling me you’ll buy a $2,000 board, and $2,000 foil setup, and a $1,000 wing, but then you draw the line at buying a foil drive? This is equivalent to a Onewheel or a high end electric skateboard or scooter. You can build it yourself, but, you’ll have almost as much money in a quality build and a sh!t load of your blood sweat and tears. I don’t know how much you value your time? I built an efoil board from scratch and let me tell you, it was a lot of work and I ended up with around $5,000 in that build. But, yea. Sorry for the long reply. Oh, and sorry for giving you FOMO! 😎🤙
@@flightjunkie808 Yeah I know, I'm subscribed on you on efoil forum. I have found few days ago a price for this "assist" for 3000$ and was wondering that price - because 2 years ago it was already waydoo for 4000$. I spent 150 for motor (right not it's 450), 150 for VESC (right now also near 350+), I have bought two aluminum mast for 20$ each - right now they 100$. So in my case I have spent less than 1000$ for - flpsky motor + esc, mast, battery and some other parts. When I started to build it before corona all remaining parts (board + wings) was ~300$. But I didn't finished it, and understand that it really hard to build. I'm happy that I bought three VESC and two motors before corona started. All this components right now is x3 price.
@@VitaliiThe Yep. And here it is all this time later and you are still not out on the water riding. Time keeps ticking my friend. That’s why I bought the foil drive instead of building one. And I’m extremely happy with it. 😎🤙
@@flightjunkie808 but in any case, I don't understand why assist should cost 3000$ even now motor + vesc + battery on that assist could not costs more than 1000-1500$. I don't understand that 3000 price - maybe I was inattentive and missed something and this price including the board and full set.
I'm not sure that I even could finish build this year because we have war since 2022 and actually water access/transport limited due this fact. So first year we was fully locked due corona, the second year was almost the same, and then war started
@@VitaliiThe Yea man. Sorry to hear those struggles! Hope you can get out on the water soon! 😎🤙