Great job. I have been wanting small board due to the smaller weight, but was worried about getting up. I wing on river with frequent small swells, and was worried id never be able to start like this. But I just got a custom board that is about 85L and weights only 6 lbs. So I won't ever need a sinker board. Going from 13.5 lbs, 69L board is awesome.
What board do you use? I'm same weight and after switching to ultra high aspect foil found that 90lt board is holding me back a lot but I'm scared to go small yet.
nice video and technique sharing, i have few questions of getting my gear now, looking for a Macro Air 4'7" and 80L for me, (weight 65kg) as i want to use it for oversea tip and locally. but checking with sales. they are strongly recombined me to use 100L or abven even i said i will play time for get progressing slowly, as i saw a lot riders taking longer time to adapeed a smaller board, as a new b of wing sport as me, why i directly go with smaller board and time may be shorter and less stuffs needed.
That's going to be very difficult to learn on. Inflatables are generally less stable, especially if only 4'7". I've traveled with a 120L inflatable and still use it for very light winds. If you have some windsurf or other foil experience and don't value your time much then learn on the 80L, but if you want to shave down learning time by a bunch of days and not be super frustrated, buy or rent a bigger board. Can also use a sup or skateboard to get the wing power handling dialed in better than you'll be able to do sinking on an 80l board!
Hi Jonathan, great video. What’s the largest size hand-wing that you’ve tried these techniques with? I’m riding a 7m2 and while I can get up on my 40L in >16kts, my main challenge is keeping the wing tips out of the water if I have to pump a lot in lower winds. Any advice for that? I think perhaps I need a smaller and more rigid wing … Thanks, -Stuart
I use a 6m shinn resurector in around 12-14knts. Starting seated and pumping the wing usually works to get enough momentum to keep the board at the surface. Then pumping through kneeling and standing positions to keep speed up so you can pump the board without sinking and keep your body out of the water and wing up high. I find a full sink start impossible in light winds, so if I do sink then I'll switch back to sitting or sometimes kneeling with front foot in the straps. More rigid wing is super helpful in pumping force especially in light winds. I'll try to do a video on light wind waterstarts soon.
Thanks! I got some more practice today, and found that I could get going down around 14 kts but not below that. In my off-season, I’ll be researching and saving up for that smaller more rigid wing! Best -S.
Great video! Not sure I follow on the comment that smaller boards are much more manouvreable? Been on 110, 95 and now on a 85ltr. All feels almost the same with the same foil setup. Perhaps when riding in waves and performing hardcore turns etc. But for flat water, bump and jump, why go less then your own body weight?
Personal preference I guess, you might feel a bigger difference sizing down below body weight? I like to play around jumping, pumping swell, seeing how tight I can carve, etc. Switching from a 5'8" 51L board down to a lighter 4'8" 45L was like night and day for how quickly the board responds to input and how much easier it is to ride swell energy and not worry about dipping the nose while turning.
Could you share what is the low end wind you managed to start with this board and the bigger wing you have used for it? let's say 5.0 12 knots or @14 knots. I am designing my own board and would like to go as low as possible as you can go while still being able to have the best low end possible one board quiver best compromise. I used an 80 L 4'11 board and now I'm thinking 60-65L 4'8 . I'm 75kg and would like to go in 13-14 knots if possible. TNX!
I have long-board surfing experience, sailing experience, tow behind a boat wake boarding experience. But I have never foiled. Should I master foiling before even thinking about wing foiling? Also, I am 6'4" 203lbs. What size board would you recommend, I love your launch techniques and I can see the clear advantage of having a board that you don't need to rely on its buoyancy to get out of the water.
You'll be best of starting with a high volume board around 140L that you can easily kneel or even stand on, or even a SUP with added center fin to get down the wing control. You can learn to foil with a wing, you'll just have to learn to use the wing to generate speed first.
Nice video with technique #1 the highlight for me. Can I ask your weight? I’ve got the same board as you but haven’t taken it out in less than 17knots (I’m 90kg)
I'm 73kg. I've gone down to around 12knts with this board and a 6m wing. For me, requires a sustained pumping effort throughout each position to keep the board from sinking. Then aggressively pumping the board, doing repetitive ollies with the straps to get flying. This board releases really well if you can keep it from sinking. Dockstarting is great practice for that.
@@jonnpow thanks for this. I’ll have to give it a go in lower wind. I’m on a gusty inland lake so might not get the low end you do. It’s a great board to prone which is why I bought it. Can’t wait to be able to dockstart it!
Does a no volume board work? As in only foot mounted foil. Just start dipping in the water and the foil brings you gradually higher til you lift out of the water?
@@snorttroll4379 with enough wind it could work sink starting. Although even a very low volume tray kite board helps a lot for getting to the surface since the board acts like another foil while underwater
Nice video. Method 2 though has a risk for damaging the board with a hard hit from the knee. These methods are not suited for very low volumen boards IMO
Or bumping your knee! With a wetsuit and deck pad, should be fine on most boards, I don't hit very hard. For very low volume boards, I think it's more shape dependent. Thinner boards like the flying fish work well since the larger surface area stays on the surface well. Thick, short boards like the 29L high roller are trickier since they sink even with forward momentum.
Like front foot planted and back knee down? I'll stay in that position a bit with front foot in the strap and back shin across the board and against back footstrap if I know a gust is coming, but on this board I tire out if the wind is light and the board stays submerged until I get enough wind power.
@@jonnpow true. If you hold this position for long it tires your front hip. I use it mostly when there is enough wind. If takes too long for a gust I seat on the board to rest and stretch the legs
If you don't exclusively ride light winds it's very much worth it. Once you learn the technique it's just as easy and you'll stay up longer with less effort overall especially riding swell. Small boards are much cheaper, lighter, and travel very easy/free. I also use mine for dock starting, prone foiling and wake foiling.
@@jonnpow That's great to know! I'm also looking for a crossover solution for prone (which I want to try on vacation), dock starting and winging. Was thinking about the Fanatic Sky Surf TE which is 45L at 4'6''.
Using an insta360 on a stick that's small enough to hold along with the wing handles, or stuff into my waist belt board leash. Can also control this wing easily one handed which helps a lot.
I love how you can tell what sport people come from on weather they occationally call the wing a sail or a kite.
Great video Jonathan! I've been struggling with my water starts in the waves. I'm looking forward to trying these out!
Subscriber #56. Checking out the rest of your content now. Great video, thanks for making.
Seems like a good technique! Thanks 🙏
Best sinker board tut on TH-cam.
Nice Bro! So many Bad methods being taught out there. Your version here is awesome
Thanks man, enjoy!
Great tips. Very clear!
Great job. I have been wanting small board due to the smaller weight, but was worried about getting up. I wing on river with frequent small swells, and was worried id never be able to start like this. But I just got a custom board that is about 85L and weights only 6 lbs. So I won't ever need a sinker board. Going from 13.5 lbs, 69L board is awesome.
Thanks mate for this great overview
Thanks for the tutorial..!! I will try ASAP..
Just had my first day on my new sinker 50L board. Technique #1 worked pretty good. 🤘🏻
Good to hear Stu! Gets much easier with practice.
Great instructional!
Very nice! Thank you.
Superb vid,thx!.
Thank you!!!
Excellent guide. I’m 82kg. I’ve been winging with my 60L. Just got a 34L for the windy days. Thank you for putting this together.
What board do you use? I'm same weight and after switching to ultra high aspect foil found that 90lt board is holding me back a lot but I'm scared to go small yet.
@@dengordo Armstrong FG 60L.
@@angelosyoutubewhat is the advantages for using small volume board?
@@keithfong1684 manoeuvrability
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Great, hope it's helpful!
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nice video and technique sharing, i have few questions of getting my gear now, looking for a Macro Air 4'7" and 80L for me, (weight 65kg) as i want to use it for oversea tip and locally. but checking with sales. they are strongly recombined me to use 100L or abven even i said i will play time for get progressing slowly, as i saw a lot riders taking longer time to adapeed a smaller board, as a new b of wing sport as me, why i directly go with smaller board and time may be shorter and less stuffs needed.
That's going to be very difficult to learn on. Inflatables are generally less stable, especially if only 4'7". I've traveled with a 120L inflatable and still use it for very light winds. If you have some windsurf or other foil experience and don't value your time much then learn on the 80L, but if you want to shave down learning time by a bunch of days and not be super frustrated, buy or rent a bigger board. Can also use a sup or skateboard to get the wing power handling dialed in better than you'll be able to do sinking on an 80l board!
Hi Jonathan, great video. What’s the largest size hand-wing that you’ve tried these techniques with? I’m riding a 7m2 and while I can get up on my 40L in >16kts, my main challenge is keeping the wing tips out of the water if I have to pump a lot in lower winds. Any advice for that? I think perhaps I need a smaller and more rigid wing …
Thanks,
-Stuart
I use a 6m shinn resurector in around 12-14knts. Starting seated and pumping the wing usually works to get enough momentum to keep the board at the surface. Then pumping through kneeling and standing positions to keep speed up so you can pump the board without sinking and keep your body out of the water and wing up high. I find a full sink start impossible in light winds, so if I do sink then I'll switch back to sitting or sometimes kneeling with front foot in the straps. More rigid wing is super helpful in pumping force especially in light winds. I'll try to do a video on light wind waterstarts soon.
Thanks! I got some more practice today, and found that I could get going down around 14 kts but not below that. In my off-season, I’ll be researching and saving up for that smaller more rigid wing! Best -S.
Great video! Not sure I follow on the comment that smaller boards are much more manouvreable? Been on 110, 95 and now on a 85ltr. All feels almost the same with the same foil setup. Perhaps when riding in waves and performing hardcore turns etc. But for flat water, bump and jump, why go less then your own body weight?
Personal preference I guess, you might feel a bigger difference sizing down below body weight? I like to play around jumping, pumping swell, seeing how tight I can carve, etc. Switching from a 5'8" 51L board down to a lighter 4'8" 45L was like night and day for how quickly the board responds to input and how much easier it is to ride swell energy and not worry about dipping the nose while turning.
Could you share what is the low end wind you managed to start with this board and the bigger wing you have used for it? let's say 5.0 12 knots or @14 knots. I am designing my own board and would like to go as low as possible as you can go while still being able to have the best low end possible one board quiver best compromise. I used an 80 L 4'11 board and now I'm thinking 60-65L 4'8 . I'm 75kg and would like to go in 13-14 knots if possible. TNX!
Yeah I think I've had success with a 5m down to probably 12-14 knts but difficulty. 60-65L would probably be a good bet!
I have long-board surfing experience, sailing experience, tow behind a boat wake boarding experience. But I have never foiled. Should I master foiling before even thinking about wing foiling? Also, I am 6'4" 203lbs. What size board would you recommend, I love your launch techniques and I can see the clear advantage of having a board that you don't need to rely on its buoyancy to get out of the water.
You'll be best of starting with a high volume board around 140L that you can easily kneel or even stand on, or even a SUP with added center fin to get down the wing control. You can learn to foil with a wing, you'll just have to learn to use the wing to generate speed first.
This is great man. What volume board are you riding in the video?
Thanks! It's a 45L escape pod, using it down to around 12 knots with a 6m wing
@@jonnpow that is impressive, thanks!
Nice video with technique #1 the highlight for me. Can I ask your weight? I’ve got the same board as you but haven’t taken it out in less than 17knots (I’m 90kg)
I'm 73kg. I've gone down to around 12knts with this board and a 6m wing. For me, requires a sustained pumping effort throughout each position to keep the board from sinking. Then aggressively pumping the board, doing repetitive ollies with the straps to get flying. This board releases really well if you can keep it from sinking. Dockstarting is great practice for that.
@@jonnpow thanks for this. I’ll have to give it a go in lower wind. I’m on a gusty inland lake so might not get the low end you do. It’s a great board to prone which is why I bought it. Can’t wait to be able to dockstart it!
Does a no volume board work? As in only foot mounted foil. Just start dipping in the water and the foil brings you gradually higher til you lift out of the water?
@@snorttroll4379 with enough wind it could work sink starting. Although even a very low volume tray kite board helps a lot for getting to the surface since the board acts like another foil while underwater
@@jonnpow ok. so a sort for christmas tree of foils along the vertical thing could be quite good too? a bit spacing to the bottom one for less drag?
What do you weigh and what's the volume of that board in the video?
I'm about 73kg and board is 45L
I am ~80kgs until now I ride a 95l board, intermediate level. What size would you recommend me for a small board?
Something around 60L would be a good tradeoff but can always go lower if your in consistently strong winds
@@jonnpow thank you!
Nice video. Method 2 though has a risk for damaging the board with a hard hit from the knee.
These methods are not suited for very low volumen boards IMO
Or bumping your knee! With a wetsuit and deck pad, should be fine on most boards, I don't hit very hard. For very low volume boards, I think it's more shape dependent. Thinner boards like the flying fish work well since the larger surface area stays on the surface well. Thick, short boards like the 29L high roller are trickier since they sink even with forward momentum.
@@jonnpowWhat's the best method for short thick ones? I just got a PPC glide 4ft 44L, awesome video cheers
I find it way easier from a drop knee position with board pointing up
Like front foot planted and back knee down? I'll stay in that position a bit with front foot in the strap and back shin across the board and against back footstrap if I know a gust is coming, but on this board I tire out if the wind is light and the board stays submerged until I get enough wind power.
@@jonnpow true. If you hold this position for long it tires your front hip. I use it mostly when there is enough wind. If takes too long for a gust I seat on the board to rest and stretch the legs
Are sinkers really worth this much effort?
If you don't exclusively ride light winds it's very much worth it. Once you learn the technique it's just as easy and you'll stay up longer with less effort overall especially riding swell. Small boards are much cheaper, lighter, and travel very easy/free. I also use mine for dock starting, prone foiling and wake foiling.
@@jonnpow That's great to know! I'm also looking for a crossover solution for prone (which I want to try on vacation), dock starting and winging. Was thinking about the Fanatic Sky Surf TE which is 45L at 4'6''.
How do you film your self so effortlessly.
Using an insta360 on a stick that's small enough to hold along with the wing handles, or stuff into my waist belt board leash. Can also control this wing easily one handed which helps a lot.
@@jonnpow very good. Photography has come a long way since I did it in 80s and 90s
Hi I am 6,1 and 205 lb is this a issue for wing boarding?
Plenty of people in that range winging. You'll just need gear on the larger end of the size range and perhaps a bit more wind than lighter folks.
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