Way back in the 70's, before hi tech, my buddy had a very desirable classic that he wanted to protect. He had the rear number plate on hinges such that it could drop down. Before attempting to start the car he would hit a secret button that de-armed the system. If not pressed the car would start normally but the engine would cut out after a few minutes leaving the thief stranded. All this time the rear licence plate had dropped down to reveal a "this car has been stolen" notice.. sometimes lo tech is better
Easy fix, program a second command on the same key (the panic button), so you would need to disarm the panic first then unlock the doors. That way when the thief tries to unlock the car the "panic" goes off. Personally I have an alarm system that is separate from the cars security own, so even if they get to unlock, the alarm will go off the moment it is unlocked without disarming the system first.
Two ways to keep thief's from getting into your car and stealing it. 1: Lock the doors manually, it does not transmit a signal. 2: Buy a car with a stick shift!
lol I guess you dont know the locks are on an electronic system too.. and the button on mom's fob says Unlock. easiest way not to get hacked... dont put computers in cars that never needed them to do they're job. transport civilians...
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@Clinton Shaun Why are you posting this here and secondly you just doxxed your hacker. You obviously are just incredibly ignorant but please do not do this again. Unlikely this will lead to something but the wrong person may see it and go after him. If you really like him just ask for a dm or something instead of openly advertising them.
He let me know what he could do remotely and what he couldn't, which was the first thing I admired, because others may have lied even if they knew they couldn't get the job done. They can do phone hack, social networks, phone / pc unlocking or any other hack related service you might need. This post is for those who actually require the services of a reliable, trustworthy and confidential hacker. They're reliable and I can vouch for their services.text - +1(310)6278867 if you need help
i'm super excited to have worked with a female hacker and she got the job done, while i'm thankful for her services i'm also amazed i never thought women could go that technical well maybe because i'm not so good with the computer but hey she pulled the hacking job smooth, just hit her up prohacksparuj @ gmail .com . please make sure to say i referred you there are bonus for that thanks. i just need her to be recognized thats why i would keep doing this
She showed him how easy it was to open their car and he goes:" the safety and security of our customers is our highest priority." Yeah right. Sales are your highest priority!
Translation. When he says "Car owner should know that their vehicles are safe" You know that no. Your vehicle is not safe. "Our client's safety is our top priority" Selling cars is your top priority my guy and your are pretty much trained in the lingo of a good politician. I don't trust any word you say.
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Absolutely, the guy watched video and just saying it is not many out there... he 's gonna wait until there gonna be a lot of devices like this to start doing something?
No argument hackerbrain__22 is the best hacker ever, successfully hacked into my partner’s car brake, you can also get to him for your hack jobs done perfectly for you through +12012012044✅
Go and check (InfiniteGeniusInc) for your uncommon car hacks. Just by having my spouse phone hanged on a phone-holder in my car, I can actually receive every messages she gets and he also hacked into her car break
The old style steering column lock takes far longer to deal with as the lock would have to be picked AND immobiliser hacked. I've owned this type for 20 years and it's never been a target of theft
Incorrect 10 seconds with a hacksaw thru the steering wheel and the steering lock is off ..this is how they get it off so quick there useless..u just got lucky for 20 years
Before retiring I was a Field Service Engineer. I carried a lot of very expensive gear in my station wagon. We did not have electronic locks then, just car keys but we still had thieves. So I had large steel box made with a solid padlock and chain loop so it could be bolted down inside car. On the case I put some stickers on the box so any one looking in could read "Radiation Hazard. Nuclear Material." No one ever broke into my car & forceed open that steel box to grab my equipment. The driver @ 2:40 who lost every thing. Are we learning yet?
A physical key will always be better than electronic locks. If your car can be locked, unlocked and started via a smartphone app then... you are a sucker. Your vehicle will get stolen very easily.
***** true but you need to use common sense as well why is there a random guy opening my car? if you see a guy walking arround the car and he has a device in his hand why did they did not scream or something to scare the person from stealing it or run and chase him and get the your stuff back.
You could say it is irresponsible to show this but thieves already know it. It's the general public that need to know it so they will know NEVER to leave anything valuable in a car. If the car gets stolen and you still have the key, it will be replaced by your insurers. If you've left something personal in the car, like a phone or laptop, it may be irreplaceable.
Thing is Car Scan Tools are not just key programmers and you also hurt smaller shops who can't afford the more expensive tools who use ebay to get those tools for legit business. As I stated in your recent video there needs to be more authentication and time required to Program a key then just clicking a button waiting 3 secs. Ford had it right in the early 2000s where it tool 15 minutes to get into the Key Programming procedure for Passkey II then another 15 to program the key. Theives don't want to wait that long for software to steal your vehicle.
Cyber security is always a catch up game. The bad guys are always coming up with something new and the good guys are stuck patching it up the best they can. It's important to know that no system is 100% secure, but you can add layers of security that will discourage bad guys from wanting to break into your car or computer or whatever. Just adding a simple lock on the diagnostic port can work wonders in preventing thieves from jacking your car. Parking a in a more secure area is another form of security. Being more discreet in what you are doing can help as well. There are simple steps you can take to lower your chances of being a victim of a crime.
RobieboyS Well considering that the US has an automatic transmission dominant market not many people in the US know how to drive manual here in the US especially rookie drivers.
I have a 6 speed diesel dually. That makes it hard, but I have a hidden fuel shut off, that makes it harder. I have 7 foot chain link around my home, with motion sensors. That makes it nearly impossible. I have a half breed pit bull, and a pure 156 pound female timber wolf, running loose in the yard. That makes it deadly.
steering wheel lock is useless too. they can cut out a portion to remove the lock. best locks are the brake peddle locks. they can't drive if they can't stop.
I've seen people do it with pre programmed ECU's but they can only go after that model of car. They hook it up thru the engine, sometimes from outside the car, and turn off the security for the vehicle and hotwire or other ways. I'm a mechanic and I still dont know how tf they do it.
This GM manager is living in denial. You could see the embarrassment on his face, and just could not accept the fact, that GM motors is vulnerable and at risk to the hackers. Then he had to say, that all his customers were safe. What a load of rubbish.
If you drive an expensive car, just some very simple steps can slow a thief down. A steering wheel lock device, a disabler switch, but, it's still not impossible, they can use a tow truck.
What are you talking about? Do you understand how the locking mechanism works? Locked by Key or Fob, it doesn't matter, they physically lock the car the same way. So, it will make no difference to a car theif how you locked your vehicle.
I have had a car stolen from me once now I have a very easy way to prevent my car from being stolen.. I have a hidden toggle switch tucked away that when i am not using it i flip the switch. this in return kills power to the fuel pump relay. even if you can break into my car good luck going anywhere if it doesn't run.
+Rustic Shine A bloke in London did a variation on this. He put a time-delay-relay in the feed to the fuel pump. Unless the relay was bypassed by the secret switch, the car would only go for about a hundred yards. The hope was that the thief would be left stranded and that the police would say "Is this your car Sir?" Ah those were the days! The real bummer of course is that in the UK car theft is usually just classed as TWOC (Taking without owners consent) Its just viewed as borrowing the car without being polite enough to ask! Watch out for thieves borrowing your registration number and getting a free tank of petrol. Yobs in Plymouth did this to a cop!
There are wireless switches too. Almost had my car stolen and so bought the switch to carry in my pocket if I ever get out of the car while it's running. If someone takes the car I can still shut off the gas remotely.
> genius plan and it's also anti-NSA but u already have fly-by-wire post-2004 so ur pretty fuct. toggle switch would have saved Rolling Stone reporter Michael Hastings and film star from Fast & Furious franchise... RIP
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What's even better than a fuel pump cut-off switch is an ignition cut-off switch.
The benefits of driving a 1996 Chevy truck/ 2005 Impala. Old school locks, no wireless BS or connection to the internet. A regular "key" unlocks the doors and turns on the ignition. Besides, not many thieves would be interested in a 2 tone '96 Chevy truck. If they did steal it, odds are they wouldn't know how to drive a 5 speed manual transmission.
Easy solution.... make the punishments for auto theft (or any crime) TOUGHER. You get caught stealing a car (even a first offense), you get 15 years, non-negotiable. If you get a 15 year sentence, you serve ALL 15 years !!!!
I don't know the police get awful testy about that then you get the feds involved nice idea though. LoJack had a system that would on command lock the doors horn starts going off and the lights start flashing! The theft is trap inside until the police get there. for around $40 you can put a tracking device in any car won't stop them from stealing it but makes it easier to recover it.
Proximity vehicles are being stolen using the relay method. Key programming tools take time to program a key. Relays utilize the original key to start the vehicle in less than a minute. Investigators need to do their homework!!
Simple solution is to use infrared to start the car. Just put key in the ignition to start it. No key mean no key copy. Nfc or infrared has very short wireless range so I am hoping that it will be harder to unlock
I forgot one thing. My daughter had a 2001 Pontiac. Her purse was stolen with her keys in it. She sent the vehicle identification number to GM and they sent her a pre programmed key that started her car. They NEVER asked for a copy of the registration certificate or anything. She sent the VIN and her return address and they sent her a key. If a thief was patient for a few days, they could steal ANY car. Your reporter said something about thieves willing to do anything possible to cancel security devices. Just remember, ANY time you build a better rat trap, all you do is breed smarter rats. My father always said that locks are only to keep honest people out. A dishonest one will break a window, lock or anything else necessary to get in.
I can think of a method just off the top of my head to fix the fob capture method. When you press the button the fob sends a request. Car then sends back a time code. Fob then sends back a code generated from a private key and the time code. You'd need slightly more expensive fob but that's it. Such difficult much expensive wow. If they really cared about security they would have done something like this a decade ago. They just don't care.
To help fix this problem is that cars need to use not only electronic lock but also the physical high security keys to enter on another way also is designing (not mentioned as in research this minute) lock unlock devises where needs narrow more accurate position codes not only at the door locks but also at start up. this can be done as this would then be a three way security. harder to bust with infinite codes.
That is BS that anyone buying a key programmer on Ebay would "more than likely not be legitimate". I lost my key for my car and they wanted $300 to program the car and another $150 for a new key and it's a 2000, not something very new. I could buy a new key, 2 fobs, ignition and programmer for about $175 - and closer to half that if you buy the key software and a programming kit seperate.
So basically if you are that worried about your car driving off is install a breakout relay to injectors coils or fuel pump and the hidden switch to activate the relay. And for the remote unlock well that is a hard pill to swallow, disable the unlock signal to the door and trunk locks including the open sunroof feature, on this a separate remote to press to allow the completion of the car unlock remote to work. What chance of the thieves to know about this feature unless they read this here, and then again they would have to spend more time or may not have the signal to transmit.
This is why all newer cars use a "one time" use code. Using computer technology. Only older cars use a continuous unchanging code. Which is the substance of this clip.
The one time code is also vulnerable. There was a defcon talk on hacking roling codes. Capture and jam a code. The owner see the car didn't lock and just presses again on the key. Now the hacker has 2 codes that the car didn't see. Uses one to make the owner think he locked his car and the other to unlock it.
+IIGrayfoxII Of-course the GM guy is going to say his cars are safe he's a sales man and thats what sales people say. But to save yourself some stress read Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
X is the total cost of settlements. A is the cost of settlement B is the severity on a scale of 1 to 10. (a failure of brakes would get a 8, failure of the Air con would get a 1.) C is the number of vehicles with the fault. If X is greater than the cost of a recall then you do a recall.
There are other ways to defeat the thieves and totally frustrate their efforts to steal cars by these methods. At worst, it will force them to have to work much harder and longer at figuring out what is keeping them from reprogramming your car and getting it to start. That GM cybersecurity exec should have been fired for letting something so weak get by to production. ALL the auto makers are in on the scam.
Yes I know this is an old post. There are some issues here. Auto makers are not going to want their cars to be stolen because insurance rates go up will make it more difficult for people to buy cars. And, if the cars were 100 % secure and did not allow for reprogramming, you would be complaining that you have to junk your car because you lost your keys.
@@bobroberts2371 As a security Engineer, I know better than that! There are great security technologies that can be implemented that allow for only legitimate owners to gain access if keys are lost, and to frustrate thieves...or at least, the middle of the road types. They high end ones are harder to foil.
Audi and VW have long known about this vulnerability in their vehicles but haven’t come up with a fix. There was an article about their lack of attention in a 2014 issue of Wired. Not only can a hacker unlock the car he can start the engine and drive off with vehicle.
tjeulink yeah but it's way harder to walk around with a machine that has to make a copy of a key / 3d scan the lock, or have a lockpick for cars. Well i guess. This could seem to be way too easy, way too fast.
Crispy K you dont need that. i had a friend who copied keys purely by sight. he saw the master key for our aparment complex and simply made his own from a piece of metal and a file in 15 min. car keys are not that difficult.
tjeulink true but still requires more skill than just pressing a button ;) We know that if they want to get acces they will get it, now why make it easy? why not go back the the old annoying and time consuming and skill requiring way. Probably because it's not really that big of a deal or just because that's just what someone decided.
GM: Safety and security is #1, we address it. Also GM: Left 800,000 cars unrecalled for 13 years over a known key/ignition issue that killed 124 people to save less than 57 cents per vehicle.
Cops in Windsor, Ontario sadly won't do anything about breaking into cars unless the car is actually stolen. I have had the last break in on camera and nope... THAT is what insurance is for. Nice to know! So .. umm.. what are the cops for? Oh for speeders and for uh ... knife and gun fights and uh .. uh .. drug overdoses? Oh wait no that is ambulances for that last one.
4:59 - I think I'm seeing an Arduino Pro Mini board and a GPRS/GSM board. I don't know anything about car systems, but micro-controllers and people who can program them like this aren't exactly uncommon.
Okay lock for steering wheel, lock for diagnostic port, car alarm, yeeah no... those will not stop the thieves in my area. THey smash windows and bend back door frames. Even on camera they are not stopped. I have SEEN it happen sadly. That is probably why they keep doing it without any regard.
You can just wait for someone to lock their car and record the radio frequency and code then wait for the person to leave and replay the recorded code and your in. Although that only works on older car as modern Oners have a self changing code so only works once. You need some gadgetry to do this though. But much older cars that were the first to use the remotes some apparently would work with something as basic as a tape record er
HACK RF ONE would be the device used to steal these modern day cars. I work for an insurance company and often have to take back cars, when the finance deal stops, and/or the customer stops paying for it. With the HackRF One, once I locate the car, I can be in and driving away within 60 seconds, and 40 of those seconds is tracing the radio frequency. Once you have the correct RF, you simply open the door and start the car with the electronic start, just as if it was your own car.
The response from GM is terrible. The video they showed him, the guy in it - it has nearly been a year since he went public with his device. And the chief of cybersecurity at GM acts like he's never heard of it?
+Moka hless "And the chief of cybersecurity at GM acts like he's never heard of it?" I can believe that. When you are in a specific industry you are insulated somewhat as most people are. You don't know everything, and only know if you actively seek the information, and even then you may not come across it. The right information isn't as ubiquitous as it may seem. There is a lot of noise out there, and depending on your search query, or your usual habits, it can lead you away from something specific. Now with that said... merely stating that it's possible. That may not be the case in this situation. There could be any number of reasons why they may lie about not knowing about it. Primarily liability concerns. As well as trying to stay one step ahead of the attacks.
I heard back in the day they would have someone steal a car and have it torched to get out of payments in rough times. Seems more people out to game a system.
Let's be serious, Car companies don't want to stop Car theft, they get to sell another Car every time one is stolen. Why would they want to stop that ? Maybe the Insurance Companies care but not the Manufacture.
When you know that there is a brand car which is easily to steel, would you buy it? Car companies must think of consequences of high rate steeling which will definitely cause low rate of selling.
GMC=Generaly Messy Construction? I used to work at the Chevrolet Warren plant. I bought a 1981 Cadillac Seville as I liked the look. Worst car ever. Armrest on passenger side, which was seldom used, fell off at 49,000 miles. Found out it was held on with screws going throuh metal clips on thin cardboard. Road vibrartion probably did it. Beauty is only paint deep.
You end it by putting on your hand held key entry, a finger print reader.. so it takes a finger print along with the electronics to open it.. a two step system.. You can also use a two step process to enter the vehicle by having both the key entry button and a keyless digital number pad.. so only those who know the keyless number pad combination along with the key entry can enter into the car..
It will also ask you 3 security questions, like what town were you born in, what's your favorite movie, you favorite color and then show one of those set of capta pictures and ask you to pick which pictures have trains in them.
Even without watching this video, ladies and gents these onset of thieves is partly the manufacturer of cars to blame for in making your vehicles so easy to be hacked. The main culprit is those fancy keyless FOBs and waves of new generation of vehicles using all those wireless tech. Great for starting your car at a distance and getting ready for you, but horrendous at comprising security.
This has actually happened to my dad. Thankfully it was just a wallet that had $20 and his drivers license. Don't make the same mistake as him, buy a security camera.
+AE86 of Mt. Akina From the episode, looks like security cameras do nothing more than record the event as proof. Really, hard to use since it's hard to recognize what the hacking item is, and who did it.
security camera wont work if they see that the car have one and stole the module. you can not make the same mistakes by *"not putting your wallet in your car".*
I have a Jeep Liberty, that can be locked by pressing the door lock button before closing the door and without using the FOB. However with my 2014 Chevy Equinox LTZ, this is not an option. The only way to lock it is with the FOB or remotely through the OnStar App, if the interior door lock button is pressed with the door open it will lock and then unlock before one can close the door. Doors will only remained locked after the interior lock button is pressed if the lock button is pressed when the door is closed (someone in the car). You should have tried to get the GM cyber security guy to talk about the other possibilities that exist once your car has been hack, for those possibilities are far more serious than the thief of ones car or contents.
If u use the actual key in the door they don't get the code and your immobilizer will still work if your keys chip isn't present and the car won't start
more computer stuff to hack..... they can solve this problem simple... STOP making them.. start making cars that take standard key's to get in. fingerprint.. lol I watch the lock picking lawyer on youtube bypass them with.... A WET FINGER. brilliant security system....
When I bought my first car I’ve put a cutout switch and hid it under the dash and you can’t start the car unless the switch is switched on it goes from the distributor to the battery I think and that’s a simple way for $5 to stop any faith start in your car they will just think you’re out of petrol because the car turns over and doesn’t start simple always work for me
I always like to see when a company is willing to speak to the media after a negative report or investigation; they know you aren't coming to share your new oatmeal cookie recipe and we see people also kicking the reports out or flat out refusing or giving blanket statements. I love seeing a company consider they may be wrong or a Conservative politician go on a Liberal's talk show.
Indeed Henrik www.cbc.ca/fifth/episodes/2014-2015/gm-recall-the-switch-from-hell, www.nytimes.com/2016/08/27/business/takata-airbag-recall-crisis.html,
This is why electronic keys and push button start is a bad thing. If you needed to have a physical key to turn on the car and start it, you wouldn't have this problem or it would take them much longer to get the into the car and to start it.
We have low teck thieves Here. I had some surgery. And after. A day on doctor prescribed pill. I came out to find no battery and no Tyres. Setting on the ground. Looking helpless. You bet I put in the fix. I got "insurance" from a local " Don" they aren't the police. Tks for good show and lesson.
Simply own an old car and maintain it. They also have older remote central locking systems with a shorter broadcast range and need a chipped ket to start.
Way back in the 70's, before hi tech, my buddy had a very desirable classic that he wanted to protect. He had the rear number plate on hinges such that it could drop down. Before attempting to start the car he would hit a secret button that de-armed the system. If not pressed the car would start normally but the engine would cut out after a few minutes leaving the thief stranded. All this time the rear licence plate had dropped down to reveal a "this car has been stolen" notice.. sometimes lo tech is better
Good ol switch on the fuel pump.
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I prefer the Mad Max security system: A bomb wired to the ignition switch.
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Easy fix, program a second command on the same key (the panic button), so you would need to disarm the panic first then unlock the doors. That way when the thief tries to unlock the car the "panic" goes off. Personally I have an alarm system that is separate from the cars security own, so even if they get to unlock, the alarm will go off the moment it is unlocked without disarming the system first.
@AVB2 have a manual hood lock good luck
Two ways to keep thief's from getting into your car and stealing it. 1: Lock the doors manually, it does not transmit a signal. 2: Buy a car with a stick shift!
*hits window with rock and jams screwdriver in ignition* haha car go brrrrr
lol I guess you dont know the locks are on an electronic system too.. and the button on mom's fob says Unlock. easiest way not to get hacked... dont put computers in cars that never needed them to do they're job. transport civilians...
No argument hackerbrain__22 is the best hacker ever, successfully hacked into my partner’s car brake with no trace, you can also get to him for your hack jobs done perfectly for you through +12012012044✅
Many thief’s can drive stick too.....
@Clinton Shaun Why are you posting this here and secondly you just doxxed your hacker. You obviously are just incredibly ignorant but please do not do this again. Unlikely this will lead to something but the wrong person may see it and go after him. If you really like him just ask for a dm or something instead of openly advertising them.
It always surprises me that people are surprised that another person is able to understand how something another person made
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how something what??
@@Luke-ih1oc He is saying if it is man made, it can be man hacked.
Its called reverse engineering
This is called a replay attack. Car alarm system should use a frequency-hopping spread spectrum system or one with a rolling code..
A lock only keeps an honest person out. Every security system can be breached.
An honest person don't need any lock to stay out.
I also have a wheel, steering wheel, break locks. Hahaha.
That guy from Cadillac is trying his best to answer her questions in the most roundabout way possible. Like a politician.
Nope, Like A POLICEMAN!!
.....Or A WOMAN!
I think you mean GMC guy?
i'm super excited to have worked with a female hacker and she got the job done, while i'm thankful for her services i'm also amazed i never thought women could go that technical well maybe because i'm not so good with the computer but hey she pulled the hacking job smooth, just hit her up prohacksparuj @ gmail .com . please make sure to say i referred you there are bonus for that thanks. i just need her to be recognized thats why i would keep doing this
She showed him how easy it was to open their car and he goes:" the safety and security of our customers is our highest priority."
Yeah right. Sales are your highest priority!
Translation. When he says "Car owner should know that their vehicles are safe" You know that no. Your vehicle is not safe. "Our client's safety is our top priority" Selling cars is your top priority my guy and your are pretty much trained in the lingo of a good politician. I don't trust any word you say.
agree
talk to karen via gmail karenwoodshack for any hacking services, i would say trust me but no, trust your guts, she helped me through a lot of stuffs and i promised to do a referral, well you can thank me later.
Absolutely, the guy watched video and just saying it is not many out there... he 's gonna wait until there gonna be a lot of devices like this to start doing something?
No argument hackerbrain__22 is the best hacker ever, successfully hacked into my partner’s car brake, you can also get to him for your hack jobs done perfectly for you through +12012012044✅
Go and check (InfiniteGeniusInc) for your uncommon car hacks. Just by having my spouse phone hanged on a phone-holder in my car, I can actually receive every messages she gets and he also hacked into her car break
The old style steering column lock takes far longer to deal with as the lock would have to be picked AND immobiliser hacked.
I've owned this type for 20 years and it's never been a target of theft
Incorrect 10 seconds with a hacksaw thru the steering wheel and the steering lock is off the wheel
Incorrect 10 seconds with a hacksaw thru the steering wheel and the steering lock is off ..this is how they get it off so quick there useless..u just got lucky for 20 years
@@yodad4776 it only takes 10 seconds to meet my relatives Mrs smith and Mr Wesson 🔫
I like you reporting on Marketplace! Interesting! Too bad we don't have a program like Marketplace in the U.S. but we will watch on CBC. Thanks!
Pro tip: If you don't want a thief to drive away with your car in the US just buy a manual XD
i can drive standard and manual, now what
But you can't steal cars. Problem solved.
manual cars 4 life
Get A GEO METRO Or A YUGO!!
Its a good Joke ( special in" Muerica") just serious so guess all professional Car Thieves can drive anything inclusive tracked and Hovercraft....
Before retiring I was a Field Service Engineer. I carried a lot of very expensive gear in my station wagon. We did not have electronic locks then, just car keys but we still had thieves. So I had large steel box made with a solid padlock and chain loop so it could be bolted down inside car. On the case I put some stickers on the box so any one looking in could read "Radiation Hazard. Nuclear Material." No one ever broke into my car & forceed open that steel box to grab my equipment. The driver @ 2:40 who lost every thing. Are we learning yet?
A physical key will always be better than electronic locks. If your car can be locked, unlocked and started via a smartphone app then... you are a sucker. Your vehicle will get stolen very easily.
exactly
unless there is some kind of 3d ultra scanner which can make replicate of the same key
Keys can be duplicated very easy even without the original key. The safest lock is your own custom lock.
honeybun33 i am not saying custom locks just encrypt the data so no hacker cant create a copy
***** true but you need to use common sense as well why is there a random guy opening my car? if you see a guy walking arround the car and he has a device in his hand why did they did not scream or something to scare the person from stealing it or run and chase him and get the your stuff back.
You could say it is irresponsible to show this but thieves already know it. It's the general public that need to know it so they will know NEVER to leave anything valuable in a car. If the car gets stolen and you still have the key, it will be replaced by your insurers. If you've left something personal in the car, like a phone or laptop, it may be irreplaceable.
thieves or druggies or junkies?
usually when people break into my car they are not technicians
Thing is Car Scan Tools are not just key programmers and you also hurt smaller shops who can't afford the more expensive tools who use ebay to get those tools for legit business. As I stated in your recent video there needs to be more authentication and time required to Program a key then just clicking a button waiting 3 secs. Ford had it right in the early 2000s where it tool 15 minutes to get into the Key Programming procedure for Passkey II then another 15 to program the key. Theives don't want to wait that long for software to steal your vehicle.
Cyber security is always a catch up game. The bad guys are always coming up with something new and the good guys are stuck patching it up the best they can.
It's important to know that no system is 100% secure, but you can add layers of security that will discourage bad guys from wanting to break into your car or computer or whatever. Just adding a simple lock on the diagnostic port can work wonders in preventing thieves from jacking your car.
Parking a in a more secure area is another form of security. Being more discreet in what you are doing can help as well. There are simple steps you can take to lower your chances of being a victim of a crime.
just remove the steering like mr bean does
or get a car with a manual transmission XD
+datgumify Who cant drive manual.... Even my 12 year old could do it......
RobieboyS Well considering that the US has an automatic transmission dominant market not many people in the US know how to drive manual here in the US especially rookie drivers.
I have a 6 speed diesel dually. That makes it hard, but I have a hidden fuel shut off, that makes it harder. I have 7 foot chain link around my home, with motion sensors. That makes it nearly impossible. I have a half breed pit bull, and a pure 156 pound female timber wolf, running loose in the yard. That makes it deadly.
***** Yes, a combat model and a defender, alloy frame short barrel 1911, that I carry. Of course my M1A (308) is standing in the corner by my bed.
The best tutorial that I've found, thank you!))
lmao!
WTF???
On Soul !!!!!! Lmao!!!!!! can anybody say BMW m4 , Aston Martin, lambo for the free LMAO
Thanks to this video, I stole 10 cars 4 trucks and an RV
Bruh theres something called sarcasm
You can also remove the ignition relay when your car is parked to prevent a thief from stealing your car.
steering wheel lock is useless too. they can cut out a portion to remove the lock. best locks are the brake peddle locks. they can't drive if they can't stop.
This has happened to me. With those who are bold/brave enough plus the new technology of today, it's becoming more dangerous everyday.
I've seen people do it with pre programmed ECU's but they can only go after that model of car. They hook it up thru the engine, sometimes from outside the car, and turn off the security for the vehicle and hotwire or other ways. I'm a mechanic and I still dont know how tf they do it.
This GM manager is living in denial. You could see the embarrassment on his face, and just could not accept the fact, that GM motors is vulnerable and at risk to the hackers. Then he had to say, that all his customers were safe. What a load of rubbish.
Now actually I'm seeing this after six years this is awesome.......❣️
Great show! Thank you for all of your investigations.
Best way to avoid this scenario, when leaving the car, lock it mechanically. Use the zapper to unlock when you return. By then it's a moot point.
How about a simple manual fuel cut off switch?
Until you forget to turn the switch on and your car runs out of gas on a rr track.
10:32 wont that set of the alarm on the car? That should bring attention?
what is the point of an alarm nobody pays attention to them
@@arniec66 I care when it's in midnight
If you drive an expensive car, just some very simple steps can slow a thief down. A steering wheel lock device, a disabler switch, but, it's still not impossible, they can use a tow truck.
when you lock and unlock your car do it without the fob use your key if you can,especially if you have valuables in the vehicle
What are you talking about? Do you understand how the locking mechanism works? Locked by Key or Fob, it doesn't matter, they physically lock the car the same way. So, it will make no difference to a car theif how you locked your vehicle.
I have had a car stolen from me once now I have a very easy way to prevent my car from being stolen.. I have a hidden toggle switch tucked away that when i am not using it i flip the switch. this in return kills power to the fuel pump relay. even if you can break into my car good luck going anywhere if it doesn't run.
Genius plan
+Rustic Shine A bloke in London did a variation on this. He put a time-delay-relay in the feed to the fuel pump. Unless the relay was bypassed by the secret switch, the car would only go for about a hundred yards. The hope was that the thief would be left stranded and that the police would say "Is this your car Sir?" Ah those were the days!
The real bummer of course is that in the UK car theft is usually just classed as TWOC (Taking without owners consent) Its just viewed as borrowing the car without being polite enough to ask!
Watch out for thieves borrowing your registration number and getting a free tank of petrol. Yobs in Plymouth did this to a cop!
There are wireless switches too. Almost had my car stolen and so bought the switch to carry in my pocket if I ever get out of the car while it's running. If someone takes the car I can still shut off the gas remotely.
> genius plan
and it's also anti-NSA but u already have fly-by-wire post-2004 so ur pretty fuct.
toggle switch would have saved Rolling Stone reporter Michael Hastings and film star from Fast & Furious franchise... RIP
What's even better than a fuel pump cut-off switch is an ignition cut-off switch.
Cars are designed to be easy to steal. Most stolen cars result in the purchase of a new car.
Genius! Never thought about that
If man made it man can find a way to break it,
@@smilerdon Truest comment
ebay does sell lockpicks and locksmith tools..lots of them
put the links in if this is lit.
Muhammad Abdulrehman Hmu. I have pretty much everything .
With all the “security features” my car has, if it were stolen, I am immediately calling the car maker not my insurance.
Lol if only it worked like that.
You're not calling the police, first?
The benefits of driving a 1996 Chevy truck/ 2005 Impala. Old school locks, no wireless BS or connection to the internet. A regular "key" unlocks the doors and turns on the ignition. Besides, not many thieves would be interested in a 2 tone '96 Chevy truck. If they did steal it, odds are they wouldn't know how to drive a 5 speed manual transmission.
Easy solution.... make the punishments for auto theft (or any crime) TOUGHER. You get caught stealing a car (even a first offense), you get 15 years, non-negotiable. If you get a 15 year sentence, you serve ALL 15 years !!!!
connect bomb on start up. Claim off insurance and one less thief. Job sorted:)
Limited Time lmfao smart
i was looking at stuff like that. i was thinking about an my own air bag with bolts and nuts that explode in a criminals face...
James Bond car, lol
You can wire horn to starter and have a hidden switch. Maybe scare them away after horn honks.
I don't know the police get awful testy about that then you get the feds involved nice idea though. LoJack had a system that would on command lock the doors horn starts going off and the lights start flashing! The theft is trap inside until the police get there. for around $40 you can put a tracking device in any car won't stop them from stealing it but makes it easier to recover it.
Proximity vehicles are being stolen using the relay method.
Key programming tools take time to program a key.
Relays utilize the original key to start the vehicle in less than a minute.
Investigators need to do their homework!!
Simple solution is to use infrared to start the car. Just put key in the ignition to start it. No key mean no key copy. Nfc or infrared has very short wireless range so I am hoping that it will be harder to unlock
I forgot one thing. My daughter had a 2001 Pontiac. Her purse was stolen with her keys in it. She sent the vehicle identification number to GM and they sent her a pre programmed key that started her car. They NEVER asked for a copy of the registration certificate or anything. She sent the VIN and her return address and they sent her a key. If a thief was patient for a few days, they could steal ANY car.
Your reporter said something about thieves willing to do anything possible to cancel security devices. Just remember, ANY time you build a better rat trap, all you do is breed smarter rats. My father always said that locks are only to keep honest people out. A dishonest one will break a window, lock or anything else necessary to get in.
I can think of a method just off the top of my head to fix the fob capture method.
When you press the button the fob sends a request.
Car then sends back a time code.
Fob then sends back a code generated from a private key and the time code.
You'd need slightly more expensive fob but that's it.
Such difficult much expensive wow.
If they really cared about security they would have done something like this a decade ago. They just don't care.
+Jack Evans its almost the same as putting an encrypted code on a computer no?
needs more thumbs up, that's actually a smart idea
No wonder Mr. Bean still uses padlock on his car.
FPI23 lol
Thats right, of course i do.
he also removes the steering wheel...
Lol true
omg you are a legend
"Ebay removed listings and investigated more" And currently in ebay: "key programmer 1,001 listings" LOLXD
I get nervous anytime researchers show anything. 'There's your answer on why car security is so inefficient'.
To help fix this problem is that cars need to use not only electronic lock but also the physical high security keys to enter on another way also is designing (not mentioned as in research this minute) lock unlock devises where needs narrow more accurate position codes not only at the door locks but also at start up. this can be done as this would then be a three way security. harder to bust with infinite codes.
That is BS that anyone buying a key programmer on Ebay would "more than likely not be legitimate". I lost my key for my car and they wanted $300 to program the car and another $150 for a new key and it's a 2000, not something very new. I could buy a new key, 2 fobs, ignition and programmer for about $175 - and closer to half that if you buy the key software and a programming kit seperate.
A simple fix is to engrave the VIN number on every window. Changing every window is so expensive that thieves avoid it.
Lol😆🤣😂😅😂🤣😆
"thief shot in the back with a '22 long rifle - should live but doubtful he'll walk again"
Now Now Now, we're forgetting to drop our dirty piece aren't we. Otherwise we'd ourselves end up in prison taking shots to the back lol
Shoot them in the chest
use a .45 more effective
So basically if you are that worried about your car driving off is install a breakout relay to injectors coils or fuel pump and the hidden switch to activate the relay. And for the remote unlock well that is a hard pill to swallow, disable the unlock signal to the door and trunk locks including the open sunroof feature, on this a separate remote to press to allow the completion of the car unlock remote to work. What chance of the thieves to know about this feature unless they read this here, and then again they would have to spend more time or may not have the signal to transmit.
This is why all newer cars use a "one time" use code. Using computer technology. Only older cars use a continuous unchanging code. Which is the substance of this clip.
The one time code is also vulnerable. There was a defcon talk on hacking roling codes. Capture and jam a code. The owner see the car didn't lock and just presses again on the key. Now the hacker has 2 codes that the car didn't see. Uses one to make the owner think he locked his car and the other to unlock it.
GM says customer safety is important to them.
So that ignition fault that resulted in the deaths of a lot of people means nothing?
+IIGrayfoxII Of-course the GM guy is going to say his cars are safe he's a sales man and thats what sales people say. But to save yourself some stress read Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
Yes haven't you seen fight club? AxBxC=X ..... But what does X mean??
X is the total cost of settlements.
A is the cost of settlement
B is the severity on a scale of 1 to 10. (a failure of brakes would get a 8, failure of the Air con would get a 1.)
C is the number of vehicles with the fault.
If X is greater than the cost of a recall then you do a recall.
that's not how it works.
Most likely.. But that is what they say / insinuate in Fight Club, which is what I was talking about. Sorry I forgot to mention that.
drive a cheap piece of junk 1500 or so. problem solved.
They'll steal that without the device
@@150keefstreet3 but why would they bother ,no money in it. so your car is safe
@@georgeh9967 no because people want a car so they'll steal someone's cheap one
@@150keefstreet3 well i would rather they steal my $1500 car than one at $40000
georgeh and you’ll have so many problems with ur $1500 car and you won’t be able to travel like u want.
There are other ways to defeat the thieves and totally frustrate their efforts to steal cars by these methods. At worst, it will force them to have to work much harder and longer at figuring out what is keeping them from reprogramming your car and getting it to start. That GM cybersecurity exec should have been fired for letting something so weak get by to production. ALL the auto makers are in on the scam.
Well yeah, of course the industry is complacent if you loose your car you need to get a new one.
Yes I know this is an old post. There are some issues here. Auto makers are not going to want their cars to be stolen because insurance rates go up will make it more difficult for people to buy cars. And, if the cars were 100 % secure and did not allow for reprogramming, you would be complaining that you have to junk your car because you lost your keys.
@@bobroberts2371 As a security Engineer, I know better than that! There are great security technologies that can be implemented that allow for only legitimate owners to gain access if keys are lost, and to frustrate thieves...or at least, the middle of the road types. They high end ones are harder to foil.
I don't trust the factory alarms. I always put an expensive aftermarket pager alarm like viper on all my cars.
Audi and VW have long known about this vulnerability in their vehicles but haven’t come up with a fix. There was an article about their lack of attention in a 2014 issue of Wired. Not only can a hacker unlock the car he can start the engine and drive off with vehicle.
I remember when some DeWalt cordless drills would do this in the old days...
Or a Flathead screwdriver lol.
i'm just wondering, is it really that hard to insert the key and turn to unlock? do you really need a remote? lol
Yes if the car company wants to charge you $500 for an electronic key in the future
keys can be hacked too
tjeulink
yeah but it's way harder to walk around with a machine that has to make a copy of a key / 3d scan the lock, or have a lockpick for cars. Well i guess. This could seem to be way too easy, way too fast.
Crispy K you dont need that. i had a friend who copied keys purely by sight. he saw the master key for our aparment complex and simply made his own from a piece of metal and a file in 15 min. car keys are not that difficult.
tjeulink
true
but still requires more skill than just pressing a button ;)
We know that if they want to get acces they will get it, now why make it easy? why not go back the the old annoying and time consuming and skill requiring way. Probably because it's not really that big of a deal or just because that's just what someone decided.
GM: Safety and security is #1, we address it.
Also GM: Left 800,000 cars unrecalled for 13 years over a known key/ignition issue that killed 124 people to save less than 57 cents per vehicle.
Think I might find the wiring harness of the ODB2 connector and find the data lines and install a hidden switch to disable it.
THANK YOU CbC. You gave me a FREE course on how to hack and steal your car. Hope the next one to go is YOURS
Cops in Windsor, Ontario sadly won't do anything about breaking into cars unless the car is actually stolen. I have had the last break in on camera and nope... THAT is what insurance is for. Nice to know! So .. umm.. what are the cops for? Oh for speeders and for uh ... knife and gun fights and uh .. uh .. drug overdoses? Oh wait no that is ambulances for that last one.
4:59 - I think I'm seeing an Arduino Pro Mini board and a GPRS/GSM board. I don't know anything about car systems, but micro-controllers and people who can program them like this aren't exactly uncommon.
THAT IS A TEENSY 3.2
4:28 we already know it's possible we just need to know how
@@jacobclark787 you're useless
@@jacobclark787 “hacking a phone that’s not yours is impossible”
“Hey message this guy and he’ll hack someone’s phone for you”
Okay lock for steering wheel, lock for diagnostic port, car alarm, yeeah no... those will not stop the thieves in my area. THey smash windows and bend back door frames. Even on camera they are not stopped. I have SEEN it happen sadly. That is probably why they keep doing it without any regard.
You can just wait for someone to lock their car and record the radio frequency and code then wait for the person to leave and replay the recorded code and your in. Although that only works on older car as modern Oners have a self changing code so only works once. You need some gadgetry to do this though. But much older cars that were the first to use the remotes some apparently would work with something as basic as a tape record er
When the officer denied to show her the device it's just like mommy saying yes but daddy saying no
It’s an arduino with an rf reaper.
thats how easy
...
place a secret on/off switch!
HACK RF ONE would be the device used to steal these modern day cars.
I work for an insurance company and often have to take back cars, when the finance deal stops, and/or the customer stops paying for it.
With the HackRF One, once I locate the car, I can be in and driving away within 60 seconds, and 40 of those seconds is tracing the radio frequency.
Once you have the correct RF, you simply open the door and start the car with the electronic start, just as if it was your own car.
They need to implement random frequency hop. Secure FM radio has been doing this for years.
I hit my power lock in car when I get out. It also sets my alarm. Then, remote keyless to unlock and drive away.
Tx you
And they will still use this to steal it.
Funny how the GM cyber security employee says people cars are safe when they clearly are not...
The response from GM is terrible. The video they showed him, the guy in it - it has nearly been a year since he went public with his device. And the chief of cybersecurity at GM acts like he's never heard of it?
+Moka hless "And the chief of cybersecurity at GM acts like he's never heard of it?"
I can believe that. When you are in a specific industry you are insulated somewhat as most people are. You don't know everything, and only know if you actively seek the information, and even then you may not come across it. The right information isn't as ubiquitous as it may seem. There is a lot of noise out there, and depending on your search query, or your usual habits, it can lead you away from something specific.
Now with that said... merely stating that it's possible. That may not be the case in this situation. There could be any number of reasons why they may lie about not knowing about it. Primarily liability concerns. As well as trying to stay one step ahead of the attacks.
Removing the engine will stop the thefts.
Impossible for him not to have known about this as it's not new concept and has audio tuners have been used at least since 2005.
8:12. Why blur a building? That just calls attention to it: “Legacy’s Auto Center” Most likely near Oakville, Ontario, Canada.
I heard back in the day they would have someone steal a car and have it torched to get out of payments in rough times. Seems more people out to game a system.
Let's be serious, Car companies don't want to stop Car theft, they get to sell another Car every time one is stolen. Why would they want to stop that ? Maybe the Insurance Companies care but not the Manufacture.
When you know that there is a brand car which is easily to steel, would you buy it?
Car companies must think of consequences of high rate steeling which will definitely cause low rate of selling.
GMC=Generaly Messy Construction? I used to work at the Chevrolet Warren plant. I bought a 1981 Cadillac Seville as I liked the look. Worst car ever. Armrest on passenger side, which was seldom used, fell off at 49,000 miles. Found out it was held on with screws going throuh metal clips on thin cardboard. Road vibrartion probably did it. Beauty is only paint deep.
Not true as for cardboard.
Great Malfunctioning Cars
That's why a dead switch is a good idea.
Yes and no. A finger print scanner is better!
the fact that you can program a new key on the fly is ridiculous, but disabling/locking the programming port is definitely a good idea.
You end it by putting on your hand held key entry, a finger print reader.. so it takes a finger print along with the electronics to open it.. a two step system.. You can also use a two step process to enter the vehicle by having both the key entry button and a keyless digital number pad.. so only those who know the keyless number pad combination along with the key entry can enter into the car..
It will also ask you 3 security questions, like what town were you born in, what's your favorite movie, you favorite color and then show one of those set of capta pictures and ask you to pick which pictures have trains in them.
Even without watching this video, ladies and gents these onset of thieves is partly the manufacturer of cars to blame for in making your vehicles so easy to be hacked. The main culprit is those fancy keyless FOBs and waves of new generation of vehicles using all those wireless tech. Great for starting your car at a distance and getting ready for you, but horrendous at comprising security.
This has actually happened to my dad. Thankfully it was just a wallet that had $20 and his drivers license. Don't make the same mistake as him, buy a security camera.
+AE86 of Mt. Akina From the episode, looks like security cameras do nothing more than record the event as proof. Really, hard to use since it's hard to recognize what the hacking item is, and who did it.
Michael Lee True. Still, it's good to have footage of what happened just in case.
security camera wont work if they see that the car have one and stole the module. you can not make the same mistakes by *"not putting your wallet in your car".*
***** Yeah, he stopped keeping his wallet in his car.
One of my pals used to put a goose in his car at night best alarm ever
I have a Jeep Liberty, that can be locked by pressing the door lock button before closing the door and without using the FOB.
However with my 2014 Chevy Equinox LTZ, this is not an option. The only way to lock it is with the FOB or remotely through the OnStar App, if the interior door lock button is pressed with the door open it will lock and then unlock before one can close the door. Doors will only remained locked after the interior lock button is pressed if the lock button is pressed when the door is closed (someone in the car).
You should have tried to get the GM cyber security guy to talk about the other possibilities that exist once your car has been hack, for those possibilities are far more serious than the thief of ones car or contents.
If u use the actual key in the door they don't get the code and your immobilizer will still work if your keys chip isn't present and the car won't start
I already found several on the web, cheap, 167.00 with free shipping. I ordered one for my own use, cheaper than paying a locksmith to do it.
Or in my case just use as a flat head screw driver :) Peace
They can solve this problem with a fingerprint start and sensors on 2 doors of the vehicle.
Until they figure out how to get past that too lol.
What if the owner loses his finger or dies or is sick in hospital and his family needs to use his car?
@@reckz420 Thats what smashing the window is 4 😐
Strike Syko you would set off the alarm.
more computer stuff to hack..... they can solve this problem simple... STOP making them.. start making cars that take standard key's to get in.
fingerprint.. lol I watch the lock picking lawyer on youtube bypass them with.... A WET FINGER. brilliant security system....
When I bought my first car I’ve put a cutout switch and hid it under the dash and you can’t start the car unless the switch is switched on it goes from the distributor to the battery I think and that’s a simple way for $5 to stop any faith start in your car they will just think you’re out of petrol because the car turns over and doesn’t start simple always work for me
The dealership has laptops to program key fobs and pushbutton start fobs. We can make 3 copies per car.
manufacturers have added a new module in 2018 and up. called a security gate way module that will block this type of theft.
Finally, i found the purpose of studying electrical engineering :)
I always like to see when a company is willing to speak to the media after a negative report or investigation; they know you aren't coming to share your new oatmeal cookie recipe and we see people also kicking the reports out or flat out refusing or giving blanket statements. I love seeing a company consider they may be wrong or a Conservative politician go on a Liberal's talk show.
Our customers security is a top priority blabla. No, money is a top priority for them lol
Indeed Henrik www.cbc.ca/fifth/episodes/2014-2015/gm-recall-the-switch-from-hell, www.nytimes.com/2016/08/27/business/takata-airbag-recall-crisis.html,
steering wheel locks can get picked so fast.
KpopNiDontStop just Put someone in the backseat with a 12 gauge shotgun that's the best alarm system
This is why electronic keys and push button start is a bad thing. If you needed to have a physical key to turn on the car and start it, you wouldn't have this problem or it would take them much longer to get the into the car and to start it.
We have low teck thieves Here. I had some surgery. And after. A day on doctor prescribed pill. I came out to find no battery and no Tyres. Setting on the ground. Looking helpless. You bet I put in the fix. I got "insurance" from a local " Don" they aren't the police. Tks for good show and lesson.
Watever
I am going to make car jacking a history. I just need certification from a college here in Canada.
Tip:Remove The Steering Wheel
Put An Off Switch On The Battery Of The Car
“Maybe not a real world activity” huh??? Like what are you talking about? Did you not just see the guy do it “in the real world”?
the gm guy know all about it ...no surprise to him
Simply own an old car and maintain it. They also have older remote central locking systems with a shorter broadcast range and need a chipped ket to start.
Keyless Ignition allows this, if your car has a key for the ignition then they might get in to the car but wont be able to start it.