Just remember guys, you do NOT have to exclusively listen to goth music to be goth! You can listen to anything else, the entire “alternative” community is welcoming and anyone who says otherwise and judges you for your taste is not a true one.
Some facts you may also find intersting - Cybergoths are closer to ravers than goths, hence their other name "graver" (gothic-raver). They mostly (although not always exclusively) listened to genres like EBM, industrial, gabber, & harsh noise. There's some elements of goth in their fashion but their appearance was mostly inspired by cyberpunk. On-lookers see anything out of the 'norm' and darkly inclined and it gets lumped under the goth umbrella, although it's a genre of it's own and their music is very different from gothic-rock. 'Vampire' and 'romantic' goth derived from gothic literature. I think it was Voltaire that claimed "vampire goths are essentially romantic goths with fangs". Perhaps a controversial opinion, but goth really doesn't need all the sub-categories. It is in itself a music based sub-culture so the fashion doesn't any less diminish a person's identity. I can appreciate the labels purely from a research point of view e.g. people searching the internet for a particular items of clothing may find the terms useful. But goth itself doesn't need to be broken down into categories as this could lead to people feeling limited or like they need to fit into a particular sub-genre of goth. I do find that the labels are getting out of hand when goth gets fused with literally any other genre or fashion e.g. hippy-goth. If we did this for everything then the categories could go on endlessly. I've took elements from all sorts of fashion over the years but always simply classed myself as goth. Further to this point, you can listen to gothic-rock but also appreciate and listen to other genres of music. You don't have to limit your tastes just to feel part of the subculture. As long as people are happy with being given the goth label and have an appreciation for the music then they are welcomed in the scene regardless of what they are wearing. 🖤
You're so right! I don't even have a gothic profile picture on TH-cam and I don't even wear heavy makeup. I only use mascara and a dark lipstick and I'm good to go. I enjoy different music genres and later this year my boyfriend and his dad will be taking me to the mall to get some chokers and a pyramid studded belt from hot topic. I've always found those things cool
I'm wayyy more of a metalhead, but I also love gothic rock and dark wave, and I've loved goth fashion since I was kid. I don't dress goth, but I'm very interested in it, so thanks for making this video!
That's all cool and great but I do believe you forgot to mention, that goth people ( especially adults) do not wear these fashionable looks everyday. 95% of time we wear the same clothes as normies ( well, maybe a bit darker if you know what I mean) and only 5% - the LOOKS are on us (parties/festivals etc etc). I can't imagine myself in the customers office wearing platforms and heavy makeup - security team would not allow me to pass the reception even with personal card :| p.s You don't have to wear all this clothes to be goth tho. Listening music is the key, not which fashion style your clothes belong to.
This video is particularly only about fashion styles that goths can wear, not overall about goth subculture and music! In my next video I will cover the basics of goth subculture which is exactly what you described!
Thank you for mentioning the androgyny, gender bending aspects of the styles and looks, and also for being clear about Mana being a "him". Goth used to totally embrace gender non conformity, and androgyny without assuming a person sexual orientation. I am one that gravitated to the scene for the acceptance of us not so "MANLY" men that love dresses and such. It seems to have toned down a bit, which is a shame really.
Isn't it dependant on the type of goth style chosen? I guess victorian era style was not at all androgenous, so if it serves as inspiration, then end result shouldn't be surprising And when and how did the ,,scene" became less accepting? I'm not a goth, so I would be glad to know if it is an objective change or just your personal opinion
things getting popular always has its ups and downs. On one hand it becomes more accepted and easier to access goth music and clothing and there is more of it. On the other hand the stuff that made it original and unique gets watered down.
Goth and grunge fashion are the two types of fashion that really can have different kinda shi for different ppl like for example like thr shi Kurt wore was a different kinda grunge then like what ppl "classify" with grunge now , same with goth as well ig😅
the different styles are just labels and overall belong to goth! They make it easier to find specific clothes etc. but it doesnt matter what style of goth u are! If you wanna mix up the labels, go ahead :D
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I've always appreciated music and the entire goth subculture but I didn't feel confident in actually declaring myself as a goth person (mainly because I still don't know specifically which type I feel most comfortable with). I loved your video, it helped me a lot.
lisaaqq thank u to explain more about this style. i have always listen to post punk and goth music in general actually and i want to dress like one and stop caring about what people will think of me. i love your style, you inspired me. you got a new follower and i loved your accent too. make more content like this and goth blesss you 🧛♀
06:51 I would call this "original lolita" (because it was the first lolita style that emerged. Gothic lolita arrived later) instead of classic lolita to avoid any confusion because classic lolita is also the name of a lolita substyle.
@kuroyamaevisekai that wouldn't exactly be accurate. The pink outfit in the picture is sweet lolita, no doubt about that. But when referring to original lolita (what was there before gothic lolita did) there were some outfits that were sweet, and some that were more classic. Although when I say that you shouldn't imagine the classic lolita of today. Imagine muted floral dresses and loose fitting tabliers (a certain type of apron) with almost no lace or ribbons. It wasn't elegant, it was quite frumpy (which I do appreciate personally). Classic brands like Innocent World have done things like that in the 2000s but by then it was already more polished and more embellished.
You did well by leaving out "Industrials" even tho dress in Black, and hang out with Goths at Goth Clubs & Dance to Goth Music, Industrials do not identify as Goth, & they are an off shoot from New Wave & ProgRock. Great vidi 😎☕💋
I have to be a corporate goth because of work, i've tried to make it my own by pretending i'm an office worker in the underworld. Or a villans front desk. So it's not just modern clothes but in black, i am dressed very differently to my coworkers. So I at least get to keep a bit of my personality.
I love the goth subculture I love the music and the literature and the gothic stories and fashion it an inspiration I still learning of the unique dark ideas and goth people that inspired the subculture it 😍🤩🎉
Oh my god, no waaayyyyyy 😮😂 I love everything about this vid! I only discovered my love for post punk a few months and ive fallen head over heels in love with the music and history 🥰 After dealing with multiple identity crisis', I feel like I finally found somethig I reaonate with and it feels wonderful.😁 Thanks for the vid! Im researching the subculture and need info on the fashion and this was perfect!
I kind of felt partially called out for the soft goth😭 I’m not really great at doing goth makeup so I just do a bit of black eyeshadow under my eyes with mascara, wear my rosary beads or other jewelry , a goth band t shirt, and some random jeans every day😭 I swear I’m not lazy I just can’t afford stuff
I know NIN is inspired by a bit of Goth Music as Trent Reznor has clearly stated time after time again including inducting The Cure into The Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame ❤
The way I want to dress, I wouldn't consider it to exactly be goth. Which is why I'm nervous about dressing in dark frilly yet simple skirts, tops, and dresses because I don't want to be considered a "poser." There is so much history behind the gothic style and culture, I don't want to take away from that. I only have a few goth songs in my Playlist, I'm more into rock. Point is, I want to dress more pretty and feminine but dark, so I don't know if that's insulting at all.
@@lisaqqq I heard another goth say that as long as it's alternative, that counts but I do really enjoy gothic music, my issue is just finding songs to add to my Playlist!
It's amusing that cybergoths are supposed to be the most elusive.. that's basically the only type we have in my area. I guess that's what happens when you live in an industrial wasteland.
Okay i'm still kinda confused, i listen to Gothic Hardcore which has nothing to do with Gothic Punk but it stil has the Same Origins for inspiration im Gothic Literature/Architecture and still very much inspired me to like the Gothic style of fashion. Oh also i study Architechture and i have a HUGE interresst im Gothic Architechture. so like does this count for being Goth😂?
cybergoths arent actually part of the goth subculture, rather a fragment of the rivithead subculture, both their music taste and their fashion. Cybergoths listen mainly to aggrotech, futurepop. A better name for them is cyber industrial.
If there's a Nu Goth on the album cover of the Phonk music that I listen too, is it considered Goth Phonk? Is it about the target demographic? Would it come down to dark themes appearing in the lyrics or tempo in said Phonk? Thought experiment this with me please.
They are everywhere? Haven't seen a single one in years! At most, I came across a girl in my theatre class: piercings, all black clothes, some boots. But when I asked her if she was goth, she said that it was just a phase at one point, and from what I've gathered, she's more into metal. WHERE ARE THE GOTHS, LISA?!?! On a serious note, you have a peculiar accent, where are you from? Russia? Belarus? Ukraine? Poland?
If u dont listen to goth ur not goth its as simple as dat. Its a music based subculter. You cant change the truth cuz u dobt like it. If i want to dress as a pink fairy and i listen to the music im goth
Just remember guys, you do NOT have to exclusively listen to goth music to be goth! You can listen to anything else, the entire “alternative” community is welcoming and anyone who says otherwise and judges you for your taste is not a true one.
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@@steadymeed They meant "not exclusively" meaning you do gotta listen to goth to be goth. Just not only!
@@steadymeedre-read their comment
Some facts you may also find intersting -
Cybergoths are closer to ravers than goths, hence their other name "graver" (gothic-raver). They mostly (although not always exclusively) listened to genres like EBM, industrial, gabber, & harsh noise.
There's some elements of goth in their fashion but their appearance was mostly inspired by cyberpunk.
On-lookers see anything out of the 'norm' and darkly inclined and it gets lumped under the goth umbrella, although it's a genre of it's own and their music is very different from gothic-rock.
'Vampire' and 'romantic' goth derived from gothic literature. I think it was Voltaire that claimed "vampire goths are essentially romantic goths with fangs".
Perhaps a controversial opinion, but goth really doesn't need all the sub-categories. It is in itself a music based sub-culture so the fashion doesn't any less diminish a person's identity.
I can appreciate the labels purely from a research point of view e.g. people searching the internet for a particular items of clothing may find the terms useful. But goth itself doesn't need to be broken down into categories as this could lead to people feeling limited or like they need to fit into a particular sub-genre of goth.
I do find that the labels are getting out of hand when goth gets fused with literally any other genre or fashion e.g. hippy-goth. If we did this for everything then the categories could go on endlessly.
I've took elements from all sorts of fashion over the years but always simply classed myself as goth.
Further to this point, you can listen to gothic-rock but also appreciate and listen to other genres of music. You don't have to limit your tastes just to feel part of the subculture.
As long as people are happy with being given the goth label and have an appreciation for the music then they are welcomed in the scene regardless of what they are wearing. 🖤
You're so right! I don't even have a gothic profile picture on TH-cam and I don't even wear heavy makeup. I only use mascara and a dark lipstick and I'm good to go. I enjoy different music genres and later this year my boyfriend and his dad will be taking me to the mall to get some chokers and a pyramid studded belt from hot topic. I've always found those things cool
MANA SAMA!!! AS A VKEI FAN I'M SO HAPPY WE GOT REPRESENTED IN THIS VIDEO
I literally screamed OMG MANA when I saw the thumbnail :D
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I'm wayyy more of a metalhead, but I also love gothic rock and dark wave, and I've loved goth fashion since I was kid. I don't dress goth, but I'm very interested in it, so thanks for making this video!
i saw mana in the thumbnail so i just had to click
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That's all cool and great but I do believe you forgot to mention, that goth people ( especially adults) do not wear these fashionable looks everyday. 95% of time we wear the same clothes as normies ( well, maybe a bit darker if you know what I mean) and only 5% - the LOOKS are on us (parties/festivals etc etc). I can't imagine myself in the customers office wearing platforms and heavy makeup - security team would not allow me to pass the reception even with personal card :|
p.s You don't have to wear all this clothes to be goth tho. Listening music is the key, not which fashion style your clothes belong to.
This video is particularly only about fashion styles that goths can wear, not overall about goth subculture and music! In my next video I will cover the basics of goth subculture which is exactly what you described!
W FOR ADDING MANA OMGG I CLICKED SO FAST WHEN I SAW HIM I LOVE VISUAL KEI
Thank you for mentioning the androgyny, gender bending aspects of the styles and looks, and also for being clear about Mana being a "him". Goth used to totally embrace gender non conformity, and androgyny without assuming a person sexual orientation. I am one that gravitated to the scene for the acceptance of us not so "MANLY" men that love dresses and such. It seems to have toned down a bit, which is a shame really.
Isn't it dependant on the type of goth style chosen? I guess victorian era style was not at all androgenous, so if it serves as inspiration, then end result shouldn't be surprising
And when and how did the ,,scene" became less accepting? I'm not a goth, so I would be glad to know if it is an objective change or just your personal opinion
@@krk5770Goth has always, from the start embraced androgyny.
things getting popular always has its ups and downs. On one hand it becomes more accepted and easier to access goth music and clothing and there is more of it. On the other hand the stuff that made it original and unique gets watered down.
i will respect mana sama on the thumbnail
MANASAMA FANGIRLS UNITE I ACTUALLY LOVE HIM SM THX FOR INTRODUCING ME TO HIM LMAO
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Goth and grunge fashion are the two types of fashion that really can have different kinda shi for different ppl like for example like thr shi Kurt wore was a different kinda grunge then like what ppl "classify" with grunge now , same with goth as well ig😅
Type O Negative vampire metal music
I don't know why people always forget to mention the "Flapper goth" style, that was extremely popular in the late 80s to early 90s (1988 to 1992).
woba, they look like classic victorian but with bit dash of pazazz from roaring 20s ! cool
i've always admired gothic fashion and this video taught me so much more about it and the subculture in general 🖤🗝️ thank you 💝💞
I’m 80’s but I list to The Mission UK, The Sister of Mercy, The Cult, Blutengel, Cure and So Many More.
I wonder, what would be the most notable fashion characteristics of Gothic Metal fans? (Think Nightwish, Type O Negative, Moonspell, ect...)
Can these styles ever fuse together? I'm thinking of Cybervampire specifically.
absolutely! you don’t have to stick to just one goth style, you should totally create your own unique form of self expression as a goth!
the different styles are just labels and overall belong to goth! They make it easier to find specific clothes etc. but it doesnt matter what style of goth u are! If you wanna mix up the labels, go ahead :D
Thank you, thank you, thank you! I've always appreciated music and the entire goth subculture but I didn't feel confident in actually declaring myself as a goth person (mainly because I still don't know specifically which type I feel most comfortable with). I loved your video, it helped me a lot.
Perky goths put the romance back in necromancy.
lisaaqq thank u to explain more about this style. i have always listen to post punk and goth music in general actually and i want to dress like one and stop caring about what people will think of me. i love your style, you inspired me. you got a new follower and i loved your accent too. make more content like this and goth blesss you 🧛♀
GIRLLLL your explanation is fire and so great, dinamic to watch!! also, Romantic Goth style is quite one of my favorites, absolutely
06:51 I would call this "original lolita" (because it was the first lolita style that emerged. Gothic lolita arrived later) instead of classic lolita to avoid any confusion because classic lolita is also the name of a lolita substyle.
oh thats what i meant! sorry, english isn’t my first language, i thought they are synonyms
@@lisaqqqNo problem, I understand.
Wouldn't calling it sweet lolita just be better altogether?
@kuroyamaevisekai that wouldn't exactly be accurate. The pink outfit in the picture is sweet lolita, no doubt about that. But when referring to original lolita (what was there before gothic lolita did) there were some outfits that were sweet, and some that were more classic. Although when I say that you shouldn't imagine the classic lolita of today. Imagine muted floral dresses and loose fitting tabliers (a certain type of apron) with almost no lace or ribbons. It wasn't elegant, it was quite frumpy (which I do appreciate personally). Classic brands like Innocent World have done things like that in the 2000s but by then it was already more polished and more embellished.
You need to mention Switchblade Symphony.
this is such a cute little video. i love seeing people dress how they want to:D
absolutely devoured with this one lisa this is a banger
i loveeeeee mana sama too omg
the sisters of mercy is sooooo good.
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1.Punks
2.Traditional goths
3.Cyber goth
4.Vampire goths
5.Romantic goth
6.medieval goth
7. Victorian goth
8.hippie goth
9.gothic Lolita
10.death rock goth
11.corporate goth
12.Nu goth
13.pastel goth
14.soft goth
Very clear explanation. I. admire the way you speak. I appreciate your accent.
You did well by leaving out "Industrials" even tho dress in Black, and hang out with Goths at Goth Clubs & Dance to Goth Music, Industrials do not identify as Goth, & they are an off shoot from New Wave & ProgRock. Great vidi 😎☕💋
I have to be a corporate goth because of work, i've tried to make it my own by pretending i'm an office worker in the underworld. Or a villans front desk. So it's not just modern clothes but in black, i am dressed very differently to my coworkers. So I at least get to keep a bit of my personality.
MANA SAMAAAA as a vkei enjoyer i got so excited when he was shown
The makeup slayed!!
I follow you on tik tok, had no idea you had TH-cam! :)
I SAW MANA SAMA I CLICKED
Absolutely nailed this video 🖤
I love the goth subculture I love the music and the literature and the gothic stories and fashion it an inspiration I still learning of the unique dark ideas and goth people that inspired the subculture it 😍🤩🎉
I SAW MANA IN THE RHUMNBNAIL AND INSTANTLY CLICKED
Love this content, your room looks so good it would be cool to have a room tour
MANA SAMA IN THE THUMBNAIL?!?!?!? LETS GOOOO 🔥🔥🔥🔥
You should try Paralisis Permanente, best Post Punk band from Spain :)
Omg i love your chanell im a babybat and this helps so much 😻🖤
This video was so informative and interesting! I'm so interested and excited to see what comes in your future videos
Great video 🦇🦇🦇thank you
Oh my god, no waaayyyyyy 😮😂 I love everything about this vid! I only discovered my love for post punk a few months and ive fallen head over heels in love with the music and history 🥰 After dealing with multiple identity crisis', I feel like I finally found somethig I reaonate with and it feels wonderful.😁
Thanks for the vid! Im researching the subculture and need info on the fashion and this was perfect!
That was great, keep up the good work! 👏👏👏👏👏👏🖤
I kind of felt partially called out for the soft goth😭 I’m not really great at doing goth makeup so I just do a bit of black eyeshadow under my eyes with mascara, wear my rosary beads or other jewelry , a goth band t shirt, and some random jeans every day😭 I swear I’m not lazy I just can’t afford stuff
thats fine! always remember that liking goth music is the one primary thing that makes you goth! fashion and makeup isn’t necessary! 🖤
OH MY GOD NO WAYYY 😱
I crave so much to wear some victorian gothic clothing, but the brazilian weather is not friendly to goths -sad-, great video btw!
Adorei o vídeo 💟
Omg where is the teddy bear from? It’s so cute ☺️
Great content and video 💯💯 keep it up 🙌🤘
I'm into a lot of subcultures, I don't know if y2k cyber metal goth is a thing but it is now
I know NIN is inspired by a bit of Goth Music as Trent Reznor has clearly stated time after time again including inducting The Cure into The Rock N Roll Hall Of Fame ❤
The way I want to dress, I wouldn't consider it to exactly be goth. Which is why I'm nervous about dressing in dark frilly yet simple skirts, tops, and dresses because I don't want to be considered a "poser." There is so much history behind the gothic style and culture, I don't want to take away from that. I only have a few goth songs in my Playlist, I'm more into rock. Point is, I want to dress more pretty and feminine but dark, so I don't know if that's insulting at all.
just don’t call yourself a goth, if you don’t like the goth music pretty much. however, you can say that you just have a “gothic clothing style” :)🖤
@@lisaqqq I heard another goth say that as long as it's alternative, that counts but I do really enjoy gothic music, my issue is just finding songs to add to my Playlist!
Funny thing is "Bela Lugosi's dead" is 100% reggae based.
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Could you go over vkei fashion?
My favorite is Gothic lolita
As some one who loves punk and goth ( my fav type of goth is trad) i just love how goth is about standing out and not following societies standards!
It's amusing that cybergoths are supposed to be the most elusive.. that's basically the only type we have in my area. I guess that's what happens when you live in an industrial wasteland.
I saw Siouxsie and just I HAD TO CLICK
MANA SAMA
Goths also started as a anti-Vietnam war movement, they dressed and looked like the dead that died as a result of the war.
What about industrial Goths/ rivitheads? Also, I consider black metal a kind of Goth music…. Does anyone else?
Okay i'm still kinda confused,
i listen to Gothic Hardcore which has nothing to do with Gothic Punk but it stil has the Same Origins for inspiration im Gothic Literature/Architecture and still very much inspired me to like the Gothic style of fashion.
Oh also i study Architechture and i have a HUGE interresst im Gothic Architechture.
so like does this count for being Goth😂?
I don't think u can define goth it's always evolving & new stuff are mearge with goth
Tell me you're not goth without telling me you're not goth lol Just watch the vid bro 😂
MICHAEL! 🖤
cybergoths arent actually part of the goth subculture, rather a fragment of the rivithead subculture, both their music taste and their fashion. Cybergoths listen mainly to aggrotech, futurepop. A better name for them is cyber industrial.
Great bideo🤠
If there's a Nu Goth on the album cover of the Phonk music that I listen too, is it considered Goth Phonk? Is it about the target demographic? Would it come down to dark themes appearing in the lyrics or tempo in said Phonk? Thought experiment this with me please.
I’m a little bit of trad, Hippie, Nu, mall, Death Rock and romantic Goth.
Bruhh im goth and didn't even notice
Where can I find medieval goth clothes or communities?
Ecco, brava, che almeno due parole sulla musica le hai dette e non c'è solo la paccottiglia di outfit
why is cyber goth part of the goth scene butt gothic metal is not?🤔
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They are everywhere? Haven't seen a single one in years! At most, I came across a girl in my theatre class: piercings, all black clothes, some boots. But when I asked her if she was goth, she said that it was just a phase at one point, and from what I've gathered, she's more into metal. WHERE ARE THE GOTHS, LISA?!?!
On a serious note, you have a peculiar accent, where are you from? Russia? Belarus? Ukraine? Poland?
That's not BY accent, maybe UA? Polish people have slightly diff accent
Goths are all over social media atm and where all teenagers hang out, particularly hot topic and concerts. I am from Russia.
Goth is also tied to the Vampire subculture.
I'm corporate goth!!! lol. (PM for a healthcare firm). Fuck society.
I am probably a Soft Goth. I don't like to wear make up.
what about death rock?
where are you from originally?
If u dont listen to goth ur not goth its as simple as dat. Its a music based subculter. You cant change the truth cuz u dobt like it. If i want to dress as a pink fairy and i listen to the music im goth
Thats correct!
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weird as fuck how people are still styled how we grew up
I think its cool that some styles and subcultures are still appreciated to this day, we cant let it be forgotten!
I do belive there are difrent types of goth though
where to find a goth girlfriend? i need one in my life
Ew…
FIFTY SIX YEAR OLD VIRGIN
@garycollingwood4002 You are? Okay. Not sure we needed to know that, but okay.
Okay.. freedom of speech and expression
I'm first!!
This is a comment.
Oh god. Please stop trashing someone else's culture
there is nothing in this video that is tied to any cultures? only a subculture
Very informative video, but next time add many more picture examples of each style. 🕸️🕷️🧛🏻♀️🖤
I was afraid of getting sued if using pictures of goth creators lol but thanks!
That's a good point! There must be a way to do it if others do it too...
I think its ok as long as you credit them@@lisaqqq
i love this vid there is alot more but what about makeup for goths??
Thanks for this information i was looking for like more details about goth so thank you :)
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