Excited to bring you all the Classic TBC Restoration Shaman PvE Guide based on Egregious's written guide! If you have questions or comments, visit us on the Classic Shaman Discord: discord.gg/VvBwBu2 Timestamps: 00:00 Introduction & TOC 03:18 Race Selection 04:05 New Spells & Talents 08:01 Talenting 09:12 What to Save from Vanilla Classic 09:53 Gearing & Pre-Raid BIS 11:07 Enchants 11:42 Gemming 14:39 Stat Breakdown 18:35 Stat Priorities & Comparisons 23:21 Spell Priority & Rotation 31:23 Downranking 33:35 Consumables 34:33 Professions 38:26 Totems 46:13 Addons, UI, & Keybinding 50:10 Shaman Healing Styles 52:45 Group Strategy 55:01 Threat 56:41 Additional Information & Conclusion
Nice breakdown on the healing styles. I've always been a throughput healer with one of the lowest overheals in most of my raids/logs but can become a clutch healer when needed
This is awesome. Just a suggestion: Guide for level 60-69 build progression for dungeon catered leveling as lvl 60 raid spec healer (at least T2?). For instance, I'm thinking Imp Reincarnation may be more valuable, etc. Naxx gear being so good is also a shock to me, so what Naxx farming should look like (suggested level/group size) for those of us that left at BWL/AQ40.
This is great. Planning on this for my alt. Not having done any high-end pve first time around, I'm really looking forward to, what I assume, is the class series coming up. Maining a ret, and can't wait for the deep-dive (even though it's pretty basic stuff and don't actually think I need the info, just love these academic-level overviews).
Just a comment regarding crafting profession equipment and then subsequently dropping that profession. In Classic you could equip and unequip a profession item as long as it was soulbound to you, even if you no longer had the required profession. For instance, as a Warlock I crafted Robe of Void in Phase 1, then dropped Tailoring for Engineering for Phase 2 onwards. I was able to equip and unequip my Robe of the Void the despite no longer having Tailoring as a profession.
wait..how is gift of the naruu which scales 100% and is a free HoT plus 1% hit for the group not that great for pve? Those racials should put them just behind Trolls for PVE potential
Its not a terrible racial at all. However, it has a very low base heal, so with around 1100 SP you are only looking at around 450 health per tick. Priest renews and Druid Rejuvs are more than double that. And, it may be free, but it has a cast time and a long CD. When you think, I could chain heal or cast GotN, you would rather Chain Heal in almost any circumstance. Not a bad thing to use at the start of combat as a tank hot with ES. Also, the hit from Heroic Presence gets outscaled very quickly
Most of the things in this guide are really good covered, but I can’t agree to certain points: 1 Tailoring set isn’t as good as most people believe it is (yes Statwise PMC is really powerful), but whitement is not worth at all since Metagems are so huge, 2nd in T4 and T5 you will most likely wanna play with the haste proc metagem, the BH one isn’t not rly good for rshaman and the last point is professions in TBC and late game, no you can’t lose you profession and still have the items equit until you unequip them, except for enchanted rings (you will enchant your 2 BiS rings from BT and get rid of enchanting of you wanna min/Max), and your BiS professions for SWP (you mentioned the Alchmiestone) will be LW and Alchemy since the chest and the trinket are both bis pieces, the engineering goggles are good but not good enough!
Alchemy/engineering/jc/enchanting all provide useful items that you will use or keep from Kara to sunwell (alchemy stone, goggles, gems, enchants). You will replace tailor cloth items at some point in t5 and t4 and heroic items can get you there with no problem. If you wanna keep 2 professions for pve i would go jc/enchanting for better gems and ring enchants. Alchemy and engineering are decent choices for the 1 item they offer (trinket vs goggles). These will be useful even in t6.
if i'm using backpedal, its when I'm tanking and its definitely not bound to my S key :D very nice guide. but i do have a question for anyone who sees this. i'm just curious about stoneskin's performance when talented. is it still not viable even if you allocate points for improved SS? ignore the fact that it shouldn't be used with raid builds, im just curious about raw performance
@@DefcampMelderonTV the tooltip aura indicates that it is healing power. This could be a private server thing, but it seems like it would apply to healing power.
@@BerentBatur yeah that's am vanilla era tooltip damage and healing are separated in TBC on most abilities. Here's what it should read: wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_Fury
Where were these kind of guides back in actual bc im a holy pally main cleared t4 some of ssc and tk and like half of hyjal but couldn't ever find a serious enough raid group to do BT and sunbelt these kinds of in depth guides could of made the difference lack of knowledge/experience is why the game was so damn hard
Yes and no. Your Lesser and major heal should only be used in Critical situations. LH quick low heal, and use instant heal for MH. It's abit more spamming CH for mana now in tbcc because everybody is trying to clear it ASAP running skips and shit and you need your mana to keep up with the quick groups(if they pull when you're drinking do not care, healers are the most important class in tbcc). It changes alot when you go into the tough heroics( SHH, SH ARCA). Then it's just about learning the class and feeling how your group is. A great way to learn how to use your CH is YOUR positioning. Never think the dps or tank will move to help, (they wont). But you cancelling a heal to turn your back to tank to stand behind that range will heal both the range and the tank. There is no real "guide" to heal, be it 5man,10, 25 or 40. You always have to adapt. That's why I have been healing since classic because it is the most fun role to play. No run is the same. Even if you run with the same team
WOW! what a great guide! This probably took me 2 hours to watch cause I kept wanting to write down notes. Now I know the last couple of items I need to snag from Naxx. You said that the totem twisting build probably won't be used by many shaman in tbc, right now my guild wants me to twist in Naxx and I really dislike the play style. Are there fewer twisting shaman because there will be fewer melee overall? Anyway, looking forward to more videos. Take care :)
Is the Flametongue Totem absolutely worthless? You didn't mention it. Is it better to just use one of the other totems that deal damage themselves rather than making my party deal more damage? Asking for a heroic dungeon setting as I'm not planning on raiding.
I have boosted a shaman in TBC. She's level 58. I want to have her to her restoration But I'm having a hard time figuring out talents since some of them go in the other specs. There's so much information online and different videos I've just confused on what I need to do to get the best results for leveling and healing at some point. ? I need to be able to stay alive while leveling
hello maybe a noob question but on wednesday with prepatch will there be all new talents and spells? So bloodlust etc? And whats the recommend lvl 60 resto spec?
Im still a bit confused as back in the day all resto shamans on my server would gem 100% haste, as now every guide tells me to gem +healing.. Is it really better then haste would you say?
One thing I noticed during the stats page... You mentioned spirit doesnt change from classic to TBC. While technically thats true, if you have a Priest running improved DI you will gain 10% of your spirit as healing power. I feel like this should be mentioned because whos not going to run with a priest? Does that change the importance between spirit and mp5? idk but its worth talking about.
Ive been looking at old spreadsheets of gear (2007ish) and they place t4 above the tailoring items. Besides pre-raid bis hunting, it seems to me that the hassel of getting tailoring items wouldnt be worth it if they can be replaced in t4 content. Thoughts?
Because we had no idea what we were doing in 2007. We thought tier was the best gear possible. Primal mooncloth gear is not replaced by t4 content. Anything from 2007 is outdated. We know more now.
your stat priorities doesnt show spirit at all. Even though it isn't something to shoot for, it's definitely beneficial. Wondering what the stat equivalent would be
Hey guys, I would just like to point out that Egregious later in the video starts to talk too fast to the point it's hard to understand him (not native here). The video is already 1h long, no one will care if it will be 1h and 10 mins :) Slow down a bit :P But overall, great work as always. Can't wait for enh even tho I probably know everything about it.
That's my normal talking speed, actually a bit slower. I'm no natural at giving lectures and tend to fall back into my conversational speaking speed and cadence after hours of talking. Not super great for keeping things clear but people have said I speak hurriedly my whole life. Apologies. Hopefully you were able to get something out of it.
@@Egregious_ No need for any apology man, its just my opinion. No one has to agree with it, and especially you don't have to apologies for it :) For me personally the beginning and for like first 20 mins is all fine, just later start to be so fast, like for example at 28:15. But Melderon already gave me an idea what to do so no worries about it!
@@DefcampMelderonTV That's what I did. Slowed to 50% but due to the cadence of each point, without pauses throughout a sentence or paragraph, they seemed to run together even when slowed. By the 38 minute mark it bordered on the comical.
-- long post, feel free to skip if you value your time -- The most misleading thing about rsham guides (and healing guides in general, I guess) is that some stats can't be evaluated as easily as dps stats, you can't just plug them into a spreadsheet and get a value. Stats like mp5 you can't even begin to put a hard value on - its value can vary so wildly based on different variables (what the fight is like, how good your group's dps is, are you using pots/runes on cd?, how smart you are with the 5 second rule, how badly do you overheal, etc. etc.) The result of this is that mp5 is usually overvalued by.. well almost everyone! This will increasingly be the case if we get unbuffed values in TBC (seems likely) as the fights will be shorter than you see on pservers so you will need less mp5. But even on pservers, mp5 was overrated. The most effective way to approach healing is to think like an arcane mage. If it's a serious fight, you want to end the fight with very little mana left and as much healing as possible (while also not sniping other healers' heals if you can help it). This will keep people alive the most effectively. If you do your homework and learn the tricks of the trade you will be able to do this while ignoring the mp5 stat for most of the expansion. You do need a decent amount of mp5 at the very beginning (pre-bis for sure, and then some in T4. You can always keep different pieces in your bag to get a feel for what you're comfortable with) but playing smart you can basically ignore the stat in t5 and especially in t6. You get enough of it passively on gear that's good for you otherwise that it ends up being fine. Mainly I would suggest if you have two pieces that are similar, always choose the one with more +healing (or haste in t6) over the one with +mp5. And then keep a few pieces in the bag longterm (such as the mp5 trinket from ZA that no one ever wants so it's an easy grab) for the scant few fights in T6 where you actually need to care about mana. If you're simply good about chugging mana pots on cooldown (which shouldn't be a big deal from any coming from classic where the consumables grind is much worse) that is already a lot of mp5 and you will be way ahead of most people by doing that and prioritizing +heal (and later +haste). The TLDR of +healing vs. +mp5 is that +healing is ALWAYS helpful whereas mp5 is only occasionally helpful and often useless. That is not even mentioning the immeasurable values of +healing vs. +mp5, such as being able to keep people up better in burst healing situations. Getting leatherworking is great for drums of battle for burst heal situations and drums of resto the rest of the times as an additional partial mana pot for you and your party. I would say that it's the most important profession, even for rsham, and it's not even particularly close.. when considering greatest overall group output. Obviously if you're a little self-centered and only looking at personal output then an argument can be made for others. Having a little bit more healing or mp5 on a couple pieces of gear pales in comparison to the 100 overall static haste given by drums to your party (+80 haste 1/4 of the time x 5 players) or the 120 overall static mp5 to party given by drums of resto (24 x 5). Not to mention the flexibility to choose these things on-demand as the situation requires. Tailoring is great for the first 1/3 or so of the expansion - getting pieces that have some good stats - but plan on dropping it at some point in mid to late T5 (depending on when you get your drops). I'd recommend LW + Tailoring until you drop Tailoring, rather than LW + Engi. The value gains from the tailoring mooncloth pieces outweigh the gains from the engineering helm. Whitemend is also a thing if you need it, although it is less strong than the mooncloth pieces and will be replaced faster. Heading into T6 what the video says is a pretty good idea of what you can do, my main disagreement would be that LW is the priority over the others, not the other way around. @ totems, decent coverage here, there is some nuance you could add if you ever want to do a deeper dive type video. For instance - new shamans to TBC (whichever spec you play): get used to dropping your fire ele and THEN hitting lust, if you immediately slam lust and then remember to fire ele.. he won't be lusted; large dps loss. Also watch your GCDs around this point, they can become very crowded with the dropping of fire ele/casting lust/still trying to keep tank or whoever topped/etc. don't be afraid to delay your lust a couple seconds so your tank doesn't die lol You didn't list flametongue totem but there are some rare situations where it can be used. Mainly if air is occupied and you have a tank in the group that could still use something on his weapon. Maybe you are in the tank's group and he is getting destroyed so it's decided grace of air is needed for the +agi, and/or you don't want to parry haste the boss with WF. I'm not sure how it stacks up with sharpening stone but a lot of tanks aren't hardcore enough to carry that. Or weird 5 man situations like you have a mainly caster group so you're dropping wrath of air but there's a random dps warrior as your last dps and you know he's not using sharpening stone. Or you're dropping nature resist, etc. etc. Also mana spring 100% required over healing stream is not really true, if the fight is short and no one is going to run oom (shade of akama says hello) you might as well throw healing to make sure people in your group stay healthy. Or it's just dire straits and everyone is getting rekt and you really need to live, healing stream is obviously better assuming you can see it coming and don't have to waste a GCD mid-rapage. If you can't tell by now I'm very much a results-over-mp5 guy so you can understand my point of view here. Wiping from healable situations when a bunch of healers have plenty of mana is always a bad feeling. @ twisting, there's been a lot of research done on this for TBC, whether talking enh or resto, and you really need to be perfect in order for it to be worth, as the gains are minimal. Any mess ups (at all) and you would have been better off not twisting. Which is harder to avoid as resto than enh unless the healing needed is really light, since you'll be going multiple seconds without being able to cast a heal, and you have to make sure you aren't mid-cast when the time to twist comes. In some static fights where you can really concentrate on it, it is recommended if you can manage. Brutallus mainly where getting the dps high enough can be an issue for some raid groups. But overall you can basically ignore it, especially if you're resto. It's so seldom going to be worth it. @ downranks, I'd be interested to see why you ever think it's worth to cast rank 5 LHW. I've never downranked LHW, maybe I'll learn something here Sorry for the ramble, I have a good amount of experience playing an rsham at a high level in TBC but my thoughts aren't too well collected. Hopefully didn't come off as too much of a critic, the video is good and you put good time and effort into it. The mp5 thing grinds my gears whenever I see it. It's the same kind of thing as the people that mistakenly get taught that +hit is always king no matter what, and you should sacrifice all your stats and your newborn child at the altar of +hit.
@@vaskontheroad8926 oh, yeah ancestral knowledge is trash until wrath when I think they change it to int or something. Early in TBC the best spec for pve Rsham imo is 0/0/61, there's just no great reasons to go outside the tree. The enh talents are trash, while ele only gives 3/3 elemental warding which is sorta ok, but not worth putting 8 points in the ele tree for IMO. Most places do recommend the 8/0/53 spec though. Once you get later in the expansion and start doing hyjal and ZA then the 0/7/54 ghost wolf spec is worth. With 0/0/61 you end up getting a few meh talents but they are still better than the stuff in the other trees, IMO
I am looking for a resto shaman tree that can dps and heal raids/heroics dungeon but i cant figure out proper combo. Can anyone recommend me a great one?
You can't in tbc. It is earth shield OR elemental fury, can't have both. If you wanna do resto in PvE you could farm some spellpower gear to quest and farm.
You might not care to cover 1-69 for the various classes, especially since we don't know what patch level they'll pick for TBC, but the leveling experience is different than Classic, especially if they pick a late TBC patch level. Also, I'm guessing boosting will be even more out of control, though it is more likely going to be level 70 Protection Paladins that have the easiest time taking players through earlier content, even with quest and non-heroic gear.
huh... maybe i misunderstand but it seems you don't value spirit much... and because of that I wonder on some of the prebis choices... like avian cloak of feathers... but not lifegiving cloak. Its a boe epic but its probably going to be about the same amount of accessible as the world boss one. Is this list just what is most accessible for most people or is it your list of absolute prebis? Also, do you know of a list that has several options.. like prebis then second and third best? That way I can at least be as close as I can until I am able to get certain drops. Maybe it takes me a little while to craft whitemend. What other options are there that are second or third best to whitemend?
Looking for some help. I'm new to Wow and I am also playing a resto shaman, but how do I unlock water shield? I can't find it anywhere. I'm not sure exactly how to get it. Is it through shaman trainer? Im currently level 59
There's a big difference between "here are all your spells and totems" and "these are the spells and totems you're actually going to use." And, unfortunately, at least based on my TBC experience from Karazhan up to and including Sunwell, you're leaning too heavily in the direction of the former in your keybindings section. I can write out a longer spiel about how 1,2,3,4 + alt mod + shift mod is enough to contain everything that you're going to use frequently, but I doubt anyone would care to read it. More spells are occasionally needed, but these are typically things that you know you're going to use well in advance, so moving your hand slightly to use them is not an issue. Similarly with totems. The vast majority of the time, you're going to drop a static set of the same 4, which means you plop all of them into a castsequence macro that you update if your group composition should for some reason change (won't happen mid-fight), and that's largely the end of it. Not to say that this is a bad video in any way - it's great. I just think you fell down on this one thing, which admittedly is something that a lot of guides do.
Healing parses are weird to me, because the better your guild does the less healing you need. Meaning to get r1 parse I feel like you have to be taking excessive damage lol
Water shield: refresh it, think about it in the morning, pray to it before bed, make youtube videos about it, love more than your own family, Water shield is love, water shield is life
Are you serious? Orc Blodlust in TBC was great racial for healing as it was changed (not as great as beserker, but still not weak as you say). Seems you guys forgot that :-)
If you're only getting 10% haste from Berserking it's competitive in T4 and 5; however, it gets out-scaled through the expansion and lacks the synergy with other on-use trinkets or abilities.
I feel disheartened just watching this, theres so much to keep track of... wish someone would make a complete noob friendly shammy guide with less abbreviations and more time to like teach proper totem usage and practical examples of how to totem twist.
He states what the boars speed enchant is and then proceeds to say if you’re cheap you can get it. Wtf does he mean by if your cheap you can get boars speed if you’re good you won’t? Why the fuck would you not want to be able to move faster with some more HP? That comment literally makes no fucking sense. If you was cheap, you wouldn’t get it, because more expensive to do so. What the hell?
Excited to bring you all the Classic TBC Restoration Shaman PvE Guide based on Egregious's written guide! If you have questions or comments, visit us on the Classic Shaman Discord: discord.gg/VvBwBu2
Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction & TOC
03:18 Race Selection
04:05 New Spells & Talents
08:01 Talenting
09:12 What to Save from Vanilla Classic
09:53 Gearing & Pre-Raid BIS
11:07 Enchants
11:42 Gemming
14:39 Stat Breakdown
18:35 Stat Priorities & Comparisons
23:21 Spell Priority & Rotation
31:23 Downranking
33:35 Consumables
34:33 Professions
38:26 Totems
46:13 Addons, UI, & Keybinding
50:10 Shaman Healing Styles
52:45 Group Strategy
55:01 Threat
56:41 Additional Information & Conclusion
This was Magical. I can't wait to send this to everyone who asks about Shamans.!
You and Fiery should team up with Def and Mel and do something like this for locks.
@@buzzkill9469 yeah its nice. We gave a PvE Guide up already tho.
Only an hour long resto sham pve guide?! Back in my day we had hour long guides for BAGS ALONE!
FiLtHy cAsUaLs
Because back in The day players were slow learners xD
True Gods back then did not have TH-cam at all.
I've played a lot of games but as a new wow player it took me hours to figure out why my keys weren't in my bag. I didnt see the keyring XD
This is just such an excellent guide, thank yall so much for putting it all together!
Literally said “when is Melderon going to hit us with that juicy Resto shaman guide for tbc”... I SAID THAT THIS MORNING..... 💙
This is what I needed today
Great Video!
Outstanding work. No bullshit, just info, info, info. It's hard to believe you still needed 1hour even tho there was no minute waste in this video.
Nice breakdown on the healing styles. I've always been a throughput healer with one of the lowest overheals in most of my raids/logs but can become a clutch healer when needed
This is awesome. Just a suggestion: Guide for level 60-69 build progression for dungeon catered leveling as lvl 60 raid spec healer (at least T2?). For instance, I'm thinking Imp Reincarnation may be more valuable, etc. Naxx gear being so good is also a shock to me, so what Naxx farming should look like (suggested level/group size) for those of us that left at BWL/AQ40.
As usual guys, amazing content !
Thanks so much for all this info.
Fantastic! Thanks a lot guys!
thank you for this I heard aboout you on warcraft reloaded great job guys
Getting ready. Hit r14. Putting the finishing touches on my ele set. Building my enhance set. Raiding for my resto gear now. So much work to do
Honestly for any shaman I’ve played, as horde, I always go Tauren just because I love how they look in shaman gear
Great stuff, as always. I'm really excited to play Shaman in TBC!
This is great. Planning on this for my alt. Not having done any high-end pve first time around, I'm really looking forward to, what I assume, is the class series coming up. Maining a ret, and can't wait for the deep-dive (even though it's pretty basic stuff and don't actually think I need the info, just love these academic-level overviews).
Fantastic video well done.
Amazing, thanks for the class! Gonna drop my warr to play a sham resto.
Can't wait the equivalent for Elemental, good job guys.
Aldor or Scryer?
Would be nice if you could provide an example of totem-keybinds.
Little update on the professions?? What would be the best 2 to hold now?? Tailoring/enchanting??
Just a comment regarding crafting profession equipment and then subsequently dropping that profession. In Classic you could equip and unequip a profession item as long as it was soulbound to you, even if you no longer had the required profession. For instance, as a Warlock I crafted Robe of Void in Phase 1, then dropped Tailoring for Engineering for Phase 2 onwards. I was able to equip and unequip my Robe of the Void the despite no longer having Tailoring as a profession.
Yes. This restriction will be reflected in the future BiS lists and guides that come out regarding Resto.
what are the chances that bloodlust is made raid wide in the new tbc coming out? or will it be like normal tbc?
wait..how is gift of the naruu which scales 100% and is a free HoT plus 1% hit for the group not that great for pve? Those racials should put them just behind Trolls for PVE potential
Its not a terrible racial at all. However, it has a very low base heal, so with around 1100 SP you are only looking at around 450 health per tick. Priest renews and Druid Rejuvs are more than double that. And, it may be free, but it has a cast time and a long CD. When you think, I could chain heal or cast GotN, you would rather Chain Heal in almost any circumstance. Not a bad thing to use at the start of combat as a tank hot with ES. Also, the hit from Heroic Presence gets outscaled very quickly
Most of the things in this guide are really good covered, but I can’t agree to certain points: 1 Tailoring set isn’t as good as most people believe it is (yes Statwise PMC is really powerful), but whitement is not worth at all since Metagems are so huge, 2nd in T4 and T5 you will most likely wanna play with the haste proc metagem, the BH one isn’t not rly good for rshaman and the last point is professions in TBC and late game, no you can’t lose you profession and still have the items equit until you unequip them, except for enchanted rings (you will enchant your 2 BiS rings from BT and get rid of enchanting of you wanna min/Max), and your BiS professions for SWP (you mentioned the Alchmiestone) will be LW and Alchemy since the chest and the trinket are both bis pieces, the engineering goggles are good but not good enough!
So as a player who don't want to refarm professions all day just for a small benefit, what are the best professions to pick and stick with it?
Alchemy/engineering/jc/enchanting all provide useful items that you will use or keep from Kara to sunwell (alchemy stone, goggles, gems, enchants).
You will replace tailor cloth items at some point in t5 and t4 and heroic items can get you there with no problem.
If you wanna keep 2 professions for pve i would go jc/enchanting for better gems and ring enchants. Alchemy and engineering are decent choices for the 1 item they offer (trinket vs goggles).
These will be useful even in t6.
if i'm using backpedal, its when I'm tanking and its definitely not bound to my S key :D
very nice guide. but i do have a question for anyone who sees this. i'm just curious about stoneskin's performance when talented. is it still not viable even if you allocate points for improved SS? ignore the fact that it shouldn't be used with raid builds, im just curious about raw performance
Doesn't the orc racial provide spell/healing power instead of just Attack power like in classic?
Spell power but not healing power
@@DefcampMelderonTV the tooltip aura indicates that it is healing power. This could be a private server thing, but it seems like it would apply to healing power.
@@BerentBatur yeah that's am vanilla era tooltip damage and healing are separated in TBC on most abilities. Here's what it should read: wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_Fury
@@BerentBatur I'm going to check though
@@DefcampMelderonTV Yeah, I'm conflicted from the literature I've seen.
mp5 really that strong early on in t4 to weigh it as 5?
Where were these kind of guides back in actual bc im a holy pally main cleared t4 some of ssc and tk and like half of hyjal but couldn't ever find a serious enough raid group to do BT and sunbelt these kinds of in depth guides could of made the difference lack of knowledge/experience is why the game was so damn hard
Even in 5 man dungeons, while leveling up, I should spam Chain Heal? I'm currently lv51 in Sunken Temple
Yes and no. Your Lesser and major heal should only be used in Critical situations. LH quick low heal, and use instant heal for MH. It's abit more spamming CH for mana now in tbcc because everybody is trying to clear it ASAP running skips and shit and you need your mana to keep up with the quick groups(if they pull when you're drinking do not care, healers are the most important class in tbcc). It changes alot when you go into the tough heroics( SHH, SH ARCA). Then it's just about learning the class and feeling how your group is. A great way to learn how to use your CH is YOUR positioning. Never think the dps or tank will move to help, (they wont). But you cancelling a heal to turn your back to tank to stand behind that range will heal both the range and the tank.
There is no real "guide" to heal, be it 5man,10, 25 or 40. You always have to adapt. That's why I have been healing since classic because it is the most fun role to play. No run is the same. Even if you run with the same team
WOW! what a great guide! This probably took me 2 hours to watch cause I kept wanting to write down notes. Now I know the last couple of items I need to snag from Naxx.
You said that the totem twisting build probably won't be used by many shaman in tbc, right now my guild wants me to twist in Naxx and I really dislike the play style. Are there fewer twisting shaman because there will be fewer melee overall? Anyway, looking forward to more videos. Take care :)
With the announcement of items requiring the profession to use does the profession section still hold relevance?
Oh yes. Tauren resto shaman all the way, its gonna be dope.
Is the Flametongue Totem absolutely worthless? You didn't mention it. Is it better to just use one of the other totems that deal damage themselves rather than making my party deal more damage?
Asking for a heroic dungeon setting as I'm not planning on raiding.
Yes, yes, well done, restoration shaman. Well done. However, TBC BAGS GUIDE?!
I have boosted a shaman in TBC. She's level 58. I want to have her to her restoration But I'm having a hard time figuring out talents since some of them go in the other specs. There's so much information online and different videos I've just confused on what I need to do to get the best results for leveling and healing at some point. ? I need to be able to stay alive while leveling
tyty great info
hello maybe a noob question but on wednesday with prepatch will there be all new talents and spells? So bloodlust etc? And whats the recommend lvl 60 resto spec?
thanks for the chapter index. helpful. gg.
Im still a bit confused as back in the day all resto shamans on my server would gem 100% haste, as now every guide tells me to gem +healing.. Is it really better then haste would you say?
One thing I noticed during the stats page... You mentioned spirit doesnt change from classic to TBC. While technically thats true, if you have a Priest running improved DI you will gain 10% of your spirit as healing power. I feel like this should be mentioned because whos not going to run with a priest? Does that change the importance between spirit and mp5? idk but its worth talking about.
Ive been looking at old spreadsheets of gear (2007ish) and they place t4 above the tailoring items. Besides pre-raid bis hunting, it seems to me that the hassel of getting tailoring items wouldnt be worth it if they can be replaced in t4 content. Thoughts?
Because we had no idea what we were doing in 2007. We thought tier was the best gear possible. Primal mooncloth gear is not replaced by t4 content. Anything from 2007 is outdated. We know more now.
your stat priorities doesnt show spirit at all. Even though it isn't something to shoot for, it's definitely beneficial. Wondering what the stat equivalent would be
Any plans for Resto druid version?
My brain hurts. Never played healer before and I'm going for resto shammy. I'm screwed after watching this LOL. Pray for me
Hey guys, I would just like to point out that Egregious later in the video starts to talk too fast to the point it's hard to understand him (not native here). The video is already 1h long, no one will care if it will be 1h and 10 mins :) Slow down a bit :P But overall, great work as always. Can't wait for enh even tho I probably know everything about it.
That's my normal talking speed, actually a bit slower. I'm no natural at giving lectures and tend to fall back into my conversational speaking speed and cadence after hours of talking. Not super great for keeping things clear but people have said I speak hurriedly my whole life. Apologies. Hopefully you were able to get something out of it.
Also you can slow down the playback if you like. That should help big time
@@DefcampMelderonTV Fair point, didn't think about it. Thx.
@@Egregious_ No need for any apology man, its just my opinion. No one has to agree with it, and especially you don't have to apologies for it :) For me personally the beginning and for like first 20 mins is all fine, just later start to be so fast, like for example at 28:15. But Melderon already gave me an idea what to do so no worries about it!
@@DefcampMelderonTV That's what I did. Slowed to 50% but due to the cadence of each point, without pauses throughout a sentence or paragraph, they seemed to run together even when slowed. By the 38 minute mark it bordered on the comical.
ok i need a basic shaman guide, this is to f geeky
Put totems down -> Cast water Shield -> Spam Chain heal
-- long post, feel free to skip if you value your time --
The most misleading thing about rsham guides (and healing guides in general, I guess) is that some stats can't be evaluated as easily as dps stats, you can't just plug them into a spreadsheet and get a value. Stats like mp5 you can't even begin to put a hard value on - its value can vary so wildly based on different variables (what the fight is like, how good your group's dps is, are you using pots/runes on cd?, how smart you are with the 5 second rule, how badly do you overheal, etc. etc.) The result of this is that mp5 is usually overvalued by.. well almost everyone! This will increasingly be the case if we get unbuffed values in TBC (seems likely) as the fights will be shorter than you see on pservers so you will need less mp5. But even on pservers, mp5 was overrated. The most effective way to approach healing is to think like an arcane mage. If it's a serious fight, you want to end the fight with very little mana left and as much healing as possible (while also not sniping other healers' heals if you can help it). This will keep people alive the most effectively. If you do your homework and learn the tricks of the trade you will be able to do this while ignoring the mp5 stat for most of the expansion. You do need a decent amount of mp5 at the very beginning (pre-bis for sure, and then some in T4. You can always keep different pieces in your bag to get a feel for what you're comfortable with) but playing smart you can basically ignore the stat in t5 and especially in t6. You get enough of it passively on gear that's good for you otherwise that it ends up being fine. Mainly I would suggest if you have two pieces that are similar, always choose the one with more +healing (or haste in t6) over the one with +mp5. And then keep a few pieces in the bag longterm (such as the mp5 trinket from ZA that no one ever wants so it's an easy grab) for the scant few fights in T6 where you actually need to care about mana. If you're simply good about chugging mana pots on cooldown (which shouldn't be a big deal from any coming from classic where the consumables grind is much worse) that is already a lot of mp5 and you will be way ahead of most people by doing that and prioritizing +heal (and later +haste). The TLDR of +healing vs. +mp5 is that +healing is ALWAYS helpful whereas mp5 is only occasionally helpful and often useless.
That is not even mentioning the immeasurable values of +healing vs. +mp5, such as being able to keep people up better in burst healing situations. Getting leatherworking is great for drums of battle for burst heal situations and drums of resto the rest of the times as an additional partial mana pot for you and your party. I would say that it's the most important profession, even for rsham, and it's not even particularly close.. when considering greatest overall group output. Obviously if you're a little self-centered and only looking at personal output then an argument can be made for others. Having a little bit more healing or mp5 on a couple pieces of gear pales in comparison to the 100 overall static haste given by drums to your party (+80 haste 1/4 of the time x 5 players) or the 120 overall static mp5 to party given by drums of resto (24 x 5). Not to mention the flexibility to choose these things on-demand as the situation requires. Tailoring is great for the first 1/3 or so of the expansion - getting pieces that have some good stats - but plan on dropping it at some point in mid to late T5 (depending on when you get your drops). I'd recommend LW + Tailoring until you drop Tailoring, rather than LW + Engi. The value gains from the tailoring mooncloth pieces outweigh the gains from the engineering helm. Whitemend is also a thing if you need it, although it is less strong than the mooncloth pieces and will be replaced faster. Heading into T6 what the video says is a pretty good idea of what you can do, my main disagreement would be that LW is the priority over the others, not the other way around.
@ totems, decent coverage here, there is some nuance you could add if you ever want to do a deeper dive type video. For instance - new shamans to TBC (whichever spec you play): get used to dropping your fire ele and THEN hitting lust, if you immediately slam lust and then remember to fire ele.. he won't be lusted; large dps loss. Also watch your GCDs around this point, they can become very crowded with the dropping of fire ele/casting lust/still trying to keep tank or whoever topped/etc. don't be afraid to delay your lust a couple seconds so your tank doesn't die lol
You didn't list flametongue totem but there are some rare situations where it can be used. Mainly if air is occupied and you have a tank in the group that could still use something on his weapon. Maybe you are in the tank's group and he is getting destroyed so it's decided grace of air is needed for the +agi, and/or you don't want to parry haste the boss with WF. I'm not sure how it stacks up with sharpening stone but a lot of tanks aren't hardcore enough to carry that. Or weird 5 man situations like you have a mainly caster group so you're dropping wrath of air but there's a random dps warrior as your last dps and you know he's not using sharpening stone. Or you're dropping nature resist, etc. etc.
Also mana spring 100% required over healing stream is not really true, if the fight is short and no one is going to run oom (shade of akama says hello) you might as well throw healing to make sure people in your group stay healthy. Or it's just dire straits and everyone is getting rekt and you really need to live, healing stream is obviously better assuming you can see it coming and don't have to waste a GCD mid-rapage. If you can't tell by now I'm very much a results-over-mp5 guy so you can understand my point of view here. Wiping from healable situations when a bunch of healers have plenty of mana is always a bad feeling.
@ twisting, there's been a lot of research done on this for TBC, whether talking enh or resto, and you really need to be perfect in order for it to be worth, as the gains are minimal. Any mess ups (at all) and you would have been better off not twisting. Which is harder to avoid as resto than enh unless the healing needed is really light, since you'll be going multiple seconds without being able to cast a heal, and you have to make sure you aren't mid-cast when the time to twist comes. In some static fights where you can really concentrate on it, it is recommended if you can manage. Brutallus mainly where getting the dps high enough can be an issue for some raid groups. But overall you can basically ignore it, especially if you're resto. It's so seldom going to be worth it.
@ downranks, I'd be interested to see why you ever think it's worth to cast rank 5 LHW. I've never downranked LHW, maybe I'll learn something here
Sorry for the ramble, I have a good amount of experience playing an rsham at a high level in TBC but my thoughts aren't too well collected. Hopefully didn't come off as too much of a critic, the video is good and you put good time and effort into it. The mp5 thing grinds my gears whenever I see it. It's the same kind of thing as the people that mistakenly get taught that +hit is always king no matter what, and you should sacrifice all your stats and your newborn child at the altar of +hit.
No thougths on Ancestral Knowledge? Always thought it wasn't worth is, especially when the spec sacrifies Imp HW and Healing way for that
@@vaskontheroad8926 oh, yeah ancestral knowledge is trash until wrath when I think they change it to int or something. Early in TBC the best spec for pve Rsham imo is 0/0/61, there's just no great reasons to go outside the tree. The enh talents are trash, while ele only gives 3/3 elemental warding which is sorta ok, but not worth putting 8 points in the ele tree for IMO. Most places do recommend the 8/0/53 spec though. Once you get later in the expansion and start doing hyjal and ZA then the 0/7/54 ghost wolf spec is worth.
With 0/0/61 you end up getting a few meh talents but they are still better than the stuff in the other trees, IMO
@@EB-bl6cc That's what I was thinking, thanks mate. Kinda strange this guide recomends AK for each spec it proposes
I am looking for a resto shaman tree that can dps and heal raids/heroics dungeon but i cant figure out proper combo. Can anyone recommend me a great one?
You can't in tbc. It is earth shield OR elemental fury, can't have both.
If you wanna do resto in PvE you could farm some spellpower gear to quest and farm.
You might not care to cover 1-69 for the various classes, especially since we don't know what patch level they'll pick for TBC, but the leveling experience is different than Classic, especially if they pick a late TBC patch level.
Also, I'm guessing boosting will be even more out of control, though it is more likely going to be level 70 Protection Paladins that have the easiest time taking players through earlier content, even with quest and non-heroic gear.
Nice.
You blew Kargoz' guide out the turd encrusted sewer pipes with this one. BORAXED HIS ASS
Will you do a Elemental and Enhance guide featuring some top ele/enhancers ?
egregregus raided with me in classic good guy
huh... maybe i misunderstand but it seems you don't value spirit much... and because of that I wonder on some of the prebis choices... like avian cloak of feathers... but not lifegiving cloak. Its a boe epic but its probably going to be about the same amount of accessible as the world boss one. Is this list just what is most accessible for most people or is it your list of absolute prebis? Also, do you know of a list that has several options.. like prebis then second and third best? That way I can at least be as close as I can until I am able to get certain drops. Maybe it takes me a little while to craft whitemend. What other options are there that are second or third best to whitemend?
Remember we only gain affect from Spirit outside the 5 second rule. I think Egregious is in the process of creating a pre-bis for TBC
Are u going to do hpriest guide as well?
I have competitive experience on all healing Classes but Paladin in TBC and am working on a HPriest and RDruid guide.
@@Egregious_ Where can we find them?
@@radenkovic2856 They're not published as of yet =(
@@Egregious_ but where are they going to be published? :D
@@radenkovic2856 On CWL most likely and I’ll ask the class Discs to post or link them. We’ll see if they do
OH Boy!
Looking for some help. I'm new to Wow and I am also playing a resto shaman, but how do I unlock water shield? I can't find it anywhere. I'm not sure exactly how to get it. Is it through shaman trainer? Im currently level 59
Considering i can only use a maximum of 12 keybinds Resto Shaman might not be for me :P
im one of 2 healers (resto shaman) in a full ranged kara group, please pray for my parses
God dammit I'm still hesitating between maining a shadow priest or resto sham in TBC, both specs look really cool
Same here
There's a big difference between "here are all your spells and totems" and "these are the spells and totems you're actually going to use." And, unfortunately, at least based on my TBC experience from Karazhan up to and including Sunwell, you're leaning too heavily in the direction of the former in your keybindings section. I can write out a longer spiel about how 1,2,3,4 + alt mod + shift mod is enough to contain everything that you're going to use frequently, but I doubt anyone would care to read it.
More spells are occasionally needed, but these are typically things that you know you're going to use well in advance, so moving your hand slightly to use them is not an issue. Similarly with totems. The vast majority of the time, you're going to drop a static set of the same 4, which means you plop all of them into a castsequence macro that you update if your group composition should for some reason change (won't happen mid-fight), and that's largely the end of it.
Not to say that this is a bad video in any way - it's great. I just think you fell down on this one thing, which admittedly is something that a lot of guides do.
Enhancement shaman plz! (and how to prepare to play one as alliance! :D)
First step switch to horde
Respec to elemental
Healing parses are weird to me, because the better your guild does the less healing you need. Meaning to get r1 parse I feel like you have to be taking excessive damage lol
Didnt realize TBC was officially announced
Mid Feb
this made me realize that resto shaman is not worth playing for me, thank you
1hour "guide" for chainheal spamm? noice
Who would honestly play the game like this (professions) wise
Water shield: refresh it, think about it in the morning, pray to it before bed, make youtube videos about it, love more than your own family,
Water shield is love, water shield is life
you lose item bonuses if you drop the profession, even if you can still equip them
Enhancement next!
Ele and enh in the works!
Holy Priest?
Stack haste and spam chain heal. GGWP
Are you serious? Orc Blodlust in TBC was great racial for healing as it was changed (not as great as beserker, but still not weak as you say). Seems you guys forgot that :-)
If you're only getting 10% haste from Berserking it's competitive in T4 and 5; however, it gets out-scaled through the expansion and lacks the synergy with other on-use trinkets or abilities.
Defcamp, where's the priest guide? Melderon got you beat by a month
The throughput healer style virgin vs. the clutch healer style chad
interesting but the speaker was WAY too fast to listen to...sorry.
I feel disheartened just watching this, theres so much to keep track of... wish someone would make a complete noob friendly shammy guide with less abbreviations and more time to like teach proper totem usage and practical examples of how to totem twist.
You should check out the other vids on their channel i think they have exactly what you are looking for
yes but shaman is not an easy class to play
He states what the boars speed enchant is and then proceeds to say if you’re cheap you can get it. Wtf does he mean by if your cheap you can get boars speed if you’re good you won’t? Why the fuck would you not want to be able to move faster with some more HP? That comment literally makes no fucking sense. If you was cheap, you wouldn’t get it, because more expensive to do so. What the hell?
Who the fuck has time to switch profs 7 times while leveling? It ain't even that serious ya'll..
Yet another vocalised theorycraft forum thread.