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I actually like Umbreon because it's not an "evil" Dark type. More mons should be designed around the "literal darkness" concept of this type, instead of all of them being villain-team-bait.
I always thought Umbreon was more of a "Jackal" then anything. And there is a certain Hindu goddess that is highly associated with Jackals, and that is Dakini. More specifically, the *black jackal*. Also Dakini is an evil goddess. She literally goes around and sucking people's your life essence. In Japan, Dakini is called "Dakiniten", and instead of being associated with black jackals she is associated with kitsune, foxes. And you know who is the most famous evil kitsune? Tamamo no Mae. And to make a long story short, Tamamo no Mae gets killed and her corpse turns into an evil poison gas spewing rock called 殺生石 (Sesshouseki). It killed a lot of people, and a traveling buddhist sealed the poison rock. I won't say that Umbreon didn't take some inspiration from the Ushi-Oni, but I think it's far more likely that Umbreon took inspiration from Dakini and Tamamo no Mae.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo I just can't see Espeon as a fox, it's definitely a cat but the others, maybe? Though that one dex entry about Jolteon saying it gets depressed when left alone gives off heavy dog vibes to me.
Alternate theory. The origin of umbreon is deliberately mysterious specifically to mess with people. And that's where it's dark type comes from. It's not terrible mean to its opponents in the game. Its mean to people like Lockstin.
Isn't that the whole point? The mystery of the unknown? The secrets hidden in the dark that the all seeing psychic types can't peer through and that which truly harms the psyche? All housed and linked to the moon? Isn't Umbreon supposed to embody mystery and the unknown and the potential dangers that could poison you?
I left a a similar comment, HE HAS DECLARED WAR, I have smacked him with my left glove, and thrown my right gauntlet at his feet for a duel. He's probably joking though he has to know it is the most popular Eeveelution... right?
i think the black cat comparison also justifies the dark typing, since there’s the whole joke about black cats being amorphous blobs of void that can seamlessly blend into shadows, even though the dark type isn’t necessarily literal darkness
Joke??? Tell that to my sister who saw a black cat in front of her and then a meteor hit her... This was all a joke... my sister wasn't hit by a meteor.
It’s always weird when people talk about dark types more really doing stuff with actual darkness. But than there are some Pokémon that does have that clear connection. Like Giratina’s signature move is all about becoming a shadow. So I think have some darkness powers can also translate to dark types.
@@jacobfoxfires9647 Giratina is a ghost type and his moves are too. Night shade is a ghost type move. Ghost seems to have connection to darkness than the dark type.
Come to think of it, black cats being good luck instead of bad could work with Umbreon- think of how it evolves. It doesn't just level up at night, it also needs a higher level of friendship with the trainer. That implies that the trainer wants the Eevee it began as around- the Umbreon is something desirable, like a lucky animal.
Umbreon is my favorite Eeveelution. I especially love running toxic stall Umbreon. Toxic, substitute, protect, moonlight, hold leftovers, make your opponent cry unless they have a counter
@@scapegoatmiller9110 nothing better than a good Poison Heal+Facade set. I really need to head back to OrAs so I can test it out again in the Battle Mason of whatever it’s called.
I had always kind of wondered why my favorite Pokémon could supposedly sweat poison, despite never learning any poison moves naturally. I still love Umbreon to bits, been my one of my favorites since I was a child and I love having one on my team whenever I go through Johto.
The funny thing about this is that it's currently the top Eeveelution in the Smogon tier lists (Umbreon is in RarelyUsed (RU) while the others are in tiers lower than that (even Sylveon is now in NU too)), either by viability or by popularity.
@@HereSomeLight My understanding of the competitive scene is that Umbreon makes for an excellent Cleric or ToxicStall 'mon. I can see why it'd be useful/popular in that sense. I don't play competitive myself though, so I'm just happy it exists. :)
Never really interpreted Dark as evil. More as channelling energy through emotions. Kinda figured there was a trinity to Dark (emotion), Fighting (body), Psychic (mind). Letting your emotions get the better of you is considered taboo in most cultures, so I could see the evil typing, but Umbreon is also an Eevee. It's noted that Eevee is one of the pokemon that are easiest to get along with, so probably why it kinda sucks as a Dark type. While most use powerful emotions like rage, jealousy and hate, most Eevees don't get shown as angry death beasts, so maybe it's running off positive emotions, and thus not having as much affinity to dark as most others. Like Spiritomb. A literal being of hate and rage.
I always wanted to bring up Absol and say that his abilities could come from an evil source. It’s like the Mothman but despite it trying to help, people freak out even more. Plus being able to predict disasters which can be a pretty bad and evil thing, doing nothing could be seen as an evil act. Also we don’t know how common Absol are so if there are a lot and only one sometimes shows up to warn people of a disaster, what does that mean for the other absols?
Regional variant Eevee that's a Fighting type and it's evolutions are all the physical attackers, I've solved the problem. This video is the most recent and relevant one I can throw that thought out there. Ummm, I like Umbreon cause it looks cool but I never use any of the eeveelutions in battle cause despite liking them, I find other pokemon more useful.
Plus the Sun Stone was introduced in Gen 2 for Bellosom and *checks notes*... Sunflora... Sun/Moon Stone Eeveelutions would've been convenient for Sw/Sh and Sylveon could've been straight affection; Game Freak doesn't always make sense.
Umbreon was my team lead when I breed an Eeveelution team in Gold as a kid. Return was actually his most powerful move, he was my loyal boy who wrecked all the things. Getting Espeon was much harder too, since I usually played at night.
I think the one thing I don’t like about Umbreon is how it has an interesting amount of moves that benefits its stats but the most seen or utilized move set revolves around stalling. I’d like to see it get a new unique move that makes use of its dex entry, a dark type move that can poison the opponent if it makes physical contact, but most of what I’ve experienced was toxic, moonlight, protect, taunt, curse, calm mind, baton pass, and wish.
i mean, yeah? those are the moves that benefit its stats, given it has 60s in its offensive stats and speed and twice that in its defenses. you're not exactly gonna be accomplishing much direct offense with that sort of stat spread, but it's perfect for walling and utility unless you mean "benefit its stats" by _buffing_ them, but ... it doesn't. it gets curse, work up, and focus energy, and has never once had access to calm mind. that's a pretty anemic spread of buffing moves, and none of them are particularly great on it. i mean, i suppose curse ain't bad for a physical set, but its strongest physical stab is foul play, which, uh, yeah, don't really need to commit your own stats to make use of that
I'm really curious as to what this post is supposed to be implying. Like, of course it's used for stall. It has a stall ability, defenses twice it's attack stats... Maybe if it knew calm mind, but unlike the comment says, it *doesn't.* There's really no reason to run offensive Umbreon at all. It doesn't have the moves or the mettle. It's best place is to slowly whittle you down
I used to run an Umbreon. It had Curse, Moonlight, Baton Pass, and most importantly Payback. Curse's "downside" of lowering speed actually becomes useful because of Payback. Set-up would take some time, but could get a sweep going every once in a while.
Foul Play was a great addition to Umbreon's tool kit. A Dark type that is actually able to take a hit, has reliable recovery, punishes direct status with Synchronize, and can even boost Defense if you want to transfer over one with Curse. In its debut generation it had the uniquely annoying ability to Baton Pass after trapping with Mean Look.
I remember drawing a ghost eeveelution based off Umbreon when I was like 10 or 12. It was shaped like Umbreon but purple, with blue ghostly rings like blue ghost fire or shiny Umbreon's rings, but the rings flickered like they were on fire. It had a more fox like tail, with the white tip was again ghostly blue and flickering as if on fire, had its legs separated and floating above its feet and more blue flames coming from the ankles where the legs would connect. I also drew another picture where the rings separated and were being thrown like weapons from its body, a new move exclusive and signature to it, maybe learned by other ghosts like chandelure so not exclusive, agony rings functions like frustration but more damage, so you want to keep friendship low, because even if you feel sorry for it, being around it invokes fear because it doesn't trust you anymore. To evolve it you needed to build friendship then drop it back down to 0... I wanted to emphasize how ghostly and tragic this eevee was, even though I was a kid. I also made a steel one that was a combination in appearance as Jolteon and Vaporeon, spikes like Jolt but the slenderness of Vapor, evolves with metal coat while leveling instead of trading, but to make up for that needs high friendship, the highest because Shadeon needed the lowest, it was stalwart, resolute, adamant ready to protect its trainer at any cost with its life like a knight. Also a dragon one in high school... though oddly enough, despite being the most recent, I don't remember what it looks like.
I wish there’s more chapters 😔 the art and storyline is soooo good. And Gary/Green isn’t made to look like a dipshit for no reason and instead there’s justification for his bad attitude which stems from an understandable trauma. Plus l like the part where we see his rhydon’s thoughts. Ps, I can’t help but ship Green’s at anime with Blue’s espeon. Rlly wanna see a battle between the two.
I had an . . . idea for how we might get more Eeveelutions. Currently, there are 9 Eeveelutions (including Eevee), and 18 Types. Exactly half. So, what if it were possible that we might get a regional variant of Eevee and then every single Eeveelution became a new element. It's shaky, and the matchups aren't perfect, but what I've got so far is: Eevee -> Fighting Type, gives it a reason for all the changes, Eevees in the region are tougher, more scrappy, and thus that extra aggression comes through in its evolutions. Vaporeon -> Dragon Type, mostly because its the one that looks like it would transfer to Dragon Type best. Maybe it became a Leviathan or Sea Dragon or something. Jolteon -> Ground Type, that's the best I got. They were the odd ones out. Maybe there's some connection with grounding or something, but it's weak. Flareon -> Rock Type, the idea being the fire upgraded to lava, and then the lava hardened, making it rock. Espeon -> Ghost Type, probably one of those "ascended to a higher plane of existence" kind of things. Umbreon -> Poison Type, I was torn between that or Bug (with the idea that it got so used to living in the dark, it developed features of the bugs that lived around it), but this video and you bringing up its origins convinced me it would work as Poison on a thematic level. Leafeon -> Bug Type, the other one vying between Poison or Bug. Poison would have been it developed poisonous defenses in its leaves, while Bug would be something like, it got infested with bugs that ate away its leaves and now it has bugs living inside and on it. Glaceon -> Steel Type, no reason. Glaceon would just look good with steel in the ice patches. Sylveon -> Flying Type, as a nod to what many thought it might be before Fairy type was revealed? Maybe the bows get fully flourished out to wings? It's . . . not great, but I thought it might be worth thinking about.
I feel like it would be better to have normal Eevee get a dragon type Evolution because dragon is the last 'special" type that's hasn't been done yet, and then then regional form has a normal type evolution.
@@Druid-T that’s just one inaccuracy in the films. The worst is how incredibly bad Velociraptors are portrayed, in the films they are scaly and almost the size of a person. They were likely a little smaller IRL, and had feathers (basically a large killer turkey). Now don’t even get me started on the Tyrannosaurus Rex! Unfortunately, Hollywood feels the need to ruin history for a good films. Now, inaccurate Velociraptors and T-Rex’s have gotten into the public eye and been accepted as fact over fiction.
@@PansyPops i feel the same, i'm not an expert with dinosaurs but i know how Jurassic Park and other media portraits the wrong ideas of dinos like the most common thing that bugs me that the T-Rex had feathers but are featherless in most movies.
@@bestbrogamer6993 another issue is that they’re always shown to be predators. Recently, people are believing that T-Rex’s were more like vultures than anything; a scavenger. This is a more recent thought, and just a theory at that, so I’ll give them a pass on it. No feathers though? It’s mildly annoying, but I have to put up with it because featherless dinosaurs are all people think of these days. For now, I can only dream of seeing a feathery thunder lizard on the big screen. Now that I think of it, Jurassic Park can probably get away with it. They said they mixed frog DNA to fill in the blanks, which also allowed them to change gender. Chances are they were meant to be feathered (in film lore), but because of missing DNA strands, they were unable to add in the correct DNA so became scaly from the use of substitutions. Edit: I’m not an expert or anything on dinosaurs or palaeontology, I just have a random section of my brain dedicated to Dino facts I’ll probably never use, like how T-Rex’s would be unable to run more than 27 mph else their legs would break.
@@PansyPops To be completely fair to the movie: that, like Dilo's venom, is something from the original book. Despite being closer in dimensions to Deinonychus, the book still called them "mongoliensis", and refers to them as "Velociraptor" throughout the entire thing
"see that clickbait worked" Me, who really likes Umbreon and was excited for a themed video about it but instead got all this Umbreon slander in the beginning: :(
The fact that it evolves with friendship really runs counter to the darktype. It being a stray cat would have been perfect for dark type if hit a level with low friendship. If you want the poison to fit tho, toxoplasmosis is a neurological, parasitic infection contracted from infected cats liter boxes. That is a little reachy though
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It's actually in the top three Eeveelutions. Granted it's top skill is still "Being able to take a lot of punishment really well", but it looks adorable while doing so, and it's got a flashlight head! Who wouldn't want a pal that can not only see in the dark but can also light up the room?
If Umbreon was originally intended to evolve via a "poison" stone, then maybe that was going to be a reference to the Sesshoseki, "Killing Stone," the now-broken rock that Japanese folklore holds was used to seal away the evil fox spirit Tamamo-no-Mae. The rock is located in a region of Japan were subterranean geological activity often allows toxic fumes to leak out at the surface, and the people in the region believed the air was being poisoned by Tamamo-no-Mae, lashing out from within the stone she'd been imprisoned in. The Sesshoseki has the association with poison, obviously, but given Tamamo-no-Mae is one of the most high-profile -evil- foxes in Japanese folklore, where foxes were often more benevolent than in China or Korea, it works post-type-change, too. Also works as a counterpoint to Espeon, with Tamamo-no-Mae being the kyuubi-no-kitsune to Espeon's nekomata
“Affinity for the night sky” Imagine if each generation, Eevee’s pokedex was elemental themed or had such undertones. Blazing spirit, electrifying touch or something.
My second favorite dark type. My favorite is Absol. Who's also misunderstood. It's actually pretty helpful because it cries before disaster strikes. There's an episode where Officer Jenny has an absol as her pokemon partner
I was looking for this comment!!! Absol is my favorite dark type as well, but since dark is actually "evil", wouldn't Absol be more psychic, since he or she can sense when a disaster is about to happen? It foresees the event? (Eevee and the Eeveelutions are my number one faves....although I was not thrilled over Sylveon at first)
Almost 19 minutes of taking us down an extensive detailed rabbit trail involving facts about poisonous mammals, moon rabbits from Journey to the West, Greek Misinterpretations of Egyptian mythology, and a poison ox spider that almost kinda fits......then clearing up all that's nonsense, Umbreon and Espeon are a pair that clearly take design inspiration from this other pair of cat yokia in less than a minute. You owe us at least a 5 minute video about the yokia that it definitely is based on now.
12:50 About the poison cats theory it Umbreon typing could be based on the cat-scratched disease, a bacterial infection from getting bitten or scratched by cats.
Been there. When I first got a cat, it scratched the surface of my hand, and the stupid doctor's office acted hysterical that I had to go there. The doctor said what I already thought - it wasn't anywhere that serious and I left and didn't need treatment.
I have a weird suggestion for a video, similar to your video where you give types to the Smash Bros fighters for example. "What if every ability has a type?" So you could give types to abilities. It's just an idea, would love to see it though!
I thought of the same thing before. Abilities like shadow tag would be ghost type, arena trap ground type, air lock and cloud nine flying type, poison heal poison type etc.
Lock you really know what you're doing. I think besides Sylveon, Umbreon may be people's most favorite Eeveelution. I mean you obviously know this. You're smart. You're on the interwebs. Good for you. Getting comments without even asking for people to comment.
It was clearly unintentional, but I do like how the whole "poison sweat" aspect ended up working out pretty well with how Umbreon is most commonly used competitively: by using the move Toxic and then using its naturally high defenses and Moonlight to heal itself while waiting for the poison to do its thing.
Fun fact, while in Greek, umbra translates to shadow in Latin it refers to a ring of light. Like the light it refers to being emitted by the Pokemon, at night. I think, umbreon should have stayed poison type. I'm not sure what name, it would have had, at that point.
I'd love to see Pokémon treat Umbreon like it has latent poison powers like Raichu's latent psychic powers. Maybe it had an ancient form like a Hisuian Umbreon that utilized the full extent of their poison capabilities, but slowly the Eevee line evolved to not have those poison powers.
“Umbreon could be cooler!” “Bottom six”, going after us Umbreon fans hard, huh? Heheheh, anyways, cool vid, loved learning about all the interesting potential inspirations for Umbreon’s poisonous origins. Especially since you already covered the bakaneko thing the Espeon video I knew there had to be some weird twist to this one.
3:00 you do not know fear until your cat decides to kill anything in their sight in a room with the lights off, even my long haired cat who looks like a real life version of a cat drawn in bongo cat style becomes terrifying, she even plays with her claws sheathed...
I’m glad that Umbreon is getting a video. One of my favorite Pokémon of all time. Edit: So my favorite Dark Type would have been my favorite Poison Type? Neat.
If I was a Pokémon specialist in that universe I’d have Dark Type because I went through my list and am realizing most of my favorite Pokémon are Dark Type
6:42. LOCKSTIN MA MAN. That comment is the funniest thing I’ve heard in a Long time. As a student in economics, we’re being told slander about Greece almost every day lol
I think it’s less of f the evil aspect of dark type and more about the symbolism from the moon and night. It does say it evolves from absorbing the energy from the moon during the night. There’s probably some weird obscure Pokémon lore that only exists in their universe that might be “revealed” later on to explain it, but only if the devs care (which they most likely don’t.)
I recently discovered the possible Umbreon/Bastet connection myself while doing a bit of late-night mythology internet reaserch, and I noticed Umbreon resembles the black and gold cat statues depicting the diety. Apparently Bastet was also a fertility goddess, but if you had put that bit of info in your video no doubt everyone would turn it into a meme like Vaporeon.
@ 0:47 as a fan of martincitopants, I instantly got flashbacks of his Kerbal Scuffed Program, well done sir 8:27 "Or they could just break their pattern, they're ALLOWED to do that!" *furious Smash Bros Fighter Pass predictor noises intensify*
Umbreon is still my favourite of the Eeveelution Line. I had as my first Shiney on an Playthrough with Pokemon Platinum Edition as it randomly evolved as I was playing past 8 p.m.
That complete mind blop of "Umbreon could be cooler" *questions oneself and what was just said* "that's not what I meant to say". Dude, bro.. I feel you. It's all too often occuring to be honest Also, gotta say; I get that everyone loves (blue) shiny Umbreon, I do too, it looks good. But come on, that purple colour? So much superior
Which Eevee is next? WHO KNOWS! I sure don't, what would you like it to be? Well, one thing I DO know is that you can go to buyraycon.com/lockstin for 15% off your order!
Why you clickbait :(
Had no idea they were all special types.
0:24 You better not let MysticUmbreon hear that!
@@alljvibes2913 Hey, at least you learned something.
Besides when it comes to big youtubers most of them do clickbait. Get used to it.
Umbreon is a pretty cool Eevee evolution
Umbreon stuck in a room with Sylveon: *sweats*
Sylveon seeing the poison secreted from Umbreon's rings: *sweats*
😂😂
Umbreon: "Relax, this is poisonous evil, not poisonous poison."
What if Silvy is into it?
-I had to open muy f*ck*ng mouth.-
@@JuanLeon-oe6xe did you know, in terms off...
Flareon seeing sylveon's sweat: sweats
I actually like Umbreon because it's not an "evil" Dark type. More mons should be designed around the "literal darkness" concept of this type, instead of all of them being villain-team-bait.
Ok, but why no PMD Content? Ever?
Absol also isn't an evil dark type, it senses danger and warns people. It's a misconception to say that it brings danger.
in japan the dark type is literally called evil type
@@flamingrubys11 yep Umbreon the weird one
@@flamingrubys11 yep Umbreon the weird one
I always thought Umbreon was more of a "Jackal" then anything. And there is a certain Hindu goddess that is highly associated with Jackals, and that is Dakini. More specifically, the *black jackal*. Also Dakini is an evil goddess. She literally goes around and sucking people's your life essence. In Japan, Dakini is called "Dakiniten", and instead of being associated with black jackals she is associated with kitsune, foxes. And you know who is the most famous evil kitsune? Tamamo no Mae. And to make a long story short, Tamamo no Mae gets killed and her corpse turns into an evil poison gas spewing rock called 殺生石 (Sesshouseki). It killed a lot of people, and a traveling buddhist sealed the poison rock. I won't say that Umbreon didn't take some inspiration from the Ushi-Oni, but I think it's far more likely that Umbreon took inspiration from Dakini and Tamamo no Mae.
time to remake the entire video xdddddddd
I hold all the Eevee line as pretty much foxes. So my theory is Umbreon represents a youko. A trickster fox spirit which harms humans.
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo I just can't see Espeon as a fox, it's definitely a cat but the others, maybe? Though that one dex entry about Jolteon saying it gets depressed when left alone gives off heavy dog vibes to me.
@@ArtsyJet they are not 100% fox, but look at those ears and tail. In most cases they do look foxy.
Oh cool I can definitely see it
Alternate theory. The origin of umbreon is deliberately mysterious specifically to mess with people. And that's where it's dark type comes from. It's not terrible mean to its opponents in the game. Its mean to people like Lockstin.
Isn't that the whole point? The mystery of the unknown? The secrets hidden in the dark that the all seeing psychic types can't peer through and that which truly harms the psyche? All housed and linked to the moon? Isn't Umbreon supposed to embody mystery and the unknown and the potential dangers that could poison you?
@@andresmarrero8666 I think you're right. You might be on to something...
Ok, but why no PMD Content? Ever?
Honestly I think it's just cool and cute
"You think I would willingly talk about Umbreon?"
... Now ya just asking for a fight xD
I left a a similar comment, HE HAS DECLARED WAR, I have smacked him with my left glove, and thrown my right gauntlet at his feet for a duel. He's probably joking though he has to know it is the most popular Eeveelution... right?
He has declared war on us >:L
I will slay him. Umbreon is king
(Obviously I will not actually slay him)
I have rolled up my sleeves and will defend my one of my favorite Eeveelutions.
@@shadeslayer7775 wait so why have you forgot all the kings like az or whoever is the guy from sw/sh
We need more videos with Lockstin trying to balance his cat
Yes
i think the black cat comparison also justifies the dark typing, since there’s the whole joke about black cats being amorphous blobs of void that can seamlessly blend into shadows, even though the dark type isn’t necessarily literal darkness
Joke??? Tell that to my sister who saw a black cat in front of her and then a meteor hit her...
This was all a joke... my sister wasn't hit by a meteor.
I thought you were going to jump into the black cat=bad luck
It’s always weird when people talk about dark types more really doing stuff with actual darkness. But than there are some Pokémon that does have that clear connection. Like Giratina’s signature move is all about becoming a shadow. So I think have some darkness powers can also translate to dark types.
@@jacobfoxfires9647 Giratina is a ghost type and his moves are too. Night shade is a ghost type move. Ghost seems to have connection to darkness than the dark type.
Come to think of it, black cats being good luck instead of bad could work with Umbreon- think of how it evolves. It doesn't just level up at night, it also needs a higher level of friendship with the trainer. That implies that the trainer wants the Eevee it began as around- the Umbreon is something desirable, like a lucky animal.
I’m embarrassed to say, when I was a kid, I thought umbreon was electric type because of the rings
Don't worry I've seen worse from kids
**Sad Jolteon noises**
@@Sungura_Kaiser oh, I knew jolteon was electric. I thought there was 2 electric eeveelutions
I thought Groundon was a fire type for the longest time
@@bathamsteryt Well, it is red, knows Fire Blast, and has Drought.
Umbreon is my favorite Eeveelution. I especially love running toxic stall Umbreon.
Toxic, substitute, protect, moonlight, hold leftovers, make your opponent cry unless they have a counter
Breloom must be a hard counter to this set… Or Gliscor, that would work too.
@@PansyPops and steel types, so you need some solid teammates
@@dudeguy8686 plus Poison types, but Steel types are usually much more defensive and… Usable.
@@scapegoatmiller9110 nothing better than a good Poison Heal+Facade set. I really need to head back to OrAs so I can test it out again in the Battle Mason of whatever it’s called.
This set is not going to do pretty well against lucario.
I had always kind of wondered why my favorite Pokémon could supposedly sweat poison, despite never learning any poison moves naturally. I still love Umbreon to bits, been my one of my favorites since I was a child and I love having one on my team whenever I go through Johto.
I think it’d be neat if a poison eeveelution did take a bit of influence from Umbreon in its design for bit.
The tail would be a needle
We already have a poison type eeveelution, it just changed in the process, tbh I like Umbreon as a poison better... Oh well
i need it to become a poison type eeveelution in legends
If they kept the poison type for Umbreon, wonder what itd look like if they made a dark type nowadays?
0:27 Lockstin: "It's like the bottom six of the eeveelutions."
Me: "How dare you talk about my boi like that!"
Wouldn't "bottom six" imply it's at best sixth from the bottom which would make it the top three of the Eeveelutions since there is eight of them?
The funny thing about this is that it's currently the top Eeveelution in the Smogon tier lists (Umbreon is in RarelyUsed (RU) while the others are in tiers lower than that (even Sylveon is now in NU too)), either by viability or by popularity.
@@HereSomeLight My understanding of the competitive scene is that Umbreon makes for an excellent Cleric or ToxicStall 'mon. I can see why it'd be useful/popular in that sense.
I don't play competitive myself though, so I'm just happy it exists. :)
Never really interpreted Dark as evil. More as channelling energy through emotions. Kinda figured there was a trinity to Dark (emotion), Fighting (body), Psychic (mind). Letting your emotions get the better of you is considered taboo in most cultures, so I could see the evil typing, but Umbreon is also an Eevee. It's noted that Eevee is one of the pokemon that are easiest to get along with, so probably why it kinda sucks as a Dark type. While most use powerful emotions like rage, jealousy and hate, most Eevees don't get shown as angry death beasts, so maybe it's running off positive emotions, and thus not having as much affinity to dark as most others. Like Spiritomb. A literal being of hate and rage.
Not to mention Absol being Dark-type despite the superstitions about it bringing disaster being false
I feel like Dark would relate to soul rather than emotions.
After all, it's usually body, mind, and soul that are grouped together.
@@cesarflamenco9484 I mean, to me at least, soul kinda goes hand in hand with emotions. So, either way I'd say yeah.
Umbreon evolves from high friendship on night, don't?
I always wanted to bring up Absol and say that his abilities could come from an evil source. It’s like the Mothman but despite it trying to help, people freak out even more. Plus being able to predict disasters which can be a pretty bad and evil thing, doing nothing could be seen as an evil act. Also we don’t know how common Absol are so if there are a lot and only one sometimes shows up to warn people of a disaster, what does that mean for the other absols?
Regional variant Eevee that's a Fighting type and it's evolutions are all the physical attackers, I've solved the problem.
This video is the most recent and relevant one I can throw that thought out there. Ummm, I like Umbreon cause it looks cool but I never use any of the eeveelutions in battle cause despite liking them, I find other pokemon more useful.
i've had this idea for a while, glad to know someone else thought of it
Yo! That's exactly what I was thinking! Itd be pretty cool if it happened.
Liking and commenting to show I would like a video with this idea
I’m fairly certain Lockstin has already made a video where he creates a physical based counterpart to Eevee.
Spending twenty minutes to reach a three-sentence conclusion...
Lockstin was the true Dark-type all along.
Amen to that
Joke's on you. I didn't click because of the clickbait; I clicked because I love and watch your content religiously.
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They could've made eevee evolve with a moon stone to get umbreon, it would make more sense than the other stones
@Falcon Hyperion moon stone was in gen 2, dusk stone wasn’t. Sun stone was in gen 2 as well, so good for Espeon.
@Falcon Hyperion Ah yes, the Dusk Stone that definitely existed in gen 2.
The new gimmicks need to be shown off somehow, right?
Plus the Sun Stone was introduced in Gen 2 for Bellosom and *checks notes*... Sunflora...
Sun/Moon Stone Eeveelutions would've been convenient for Sw/Sh and Sylveon could've been straight affection; Game Freak doesn't always make sense.
@@KudaKeileon while that's true they changed how a pokemon evolves before, for example Milotic
Umbreon was my team lead when I breed an Eeveelution team in Gold as a kid. Return was actually his most powerful move, he was my loyal boy who wrecked all the things. Getting Espeon was much harder too, since I usually played at night.
did you get it now
@@anygamebutmostlypokemonfan4582 oh yes, had all six of the Eevee line from that gen before I finished the game.
I think the one thing I don’t like about Umbreon is how it has an interesting amount of moves that benefits its stats but the most seen or utilized move set revolves around stalling. I’d like to see it get a new unique move that makes use of its dex entry, a dark type move that can poison the opponent if it makes physical contact, but most of what I’ve experienced was toxic, moonlight, protect, taunt, curse, calm mind, baton pass, and wish.
i mean, yeah? those are the moves that benefit its stats, given it has 60s in its offensive stats and speed and twice that in its defenses. you're not exactly gonna be accomplishing much direct offense with that sort of stat spread, but it's perfect for walling and utility
unless you mean "benefit its stats" by _buffing_ them, but ... it doesn't. it gets curse, work up, and focus energy, and has never once had access to calm mind. that's a pretty anemic spread of buffing moves, and none of them are particularly great on it. i mean, i suppose curse ain't bad for a physical set, but its strongest physical stab is foul play, which, uh, yeah, don't really need to commit your own stats to make use of that
I'm really curious as to what this post is supposed to be implying. Like, of course it's used for stall. It has a stall ability, defenses twice it's attack stats... Maybe if it knew calm mind, but unlike the comment says, it *doesn't.* There's really no reason to run offensive Umbreon at all. It doesn't have the moves or the mettle. It's best place is to slowly whittle you down
So like, Poison Fang?
I used to run an Umbreon. It had Curse, Moonlight, Baton Pass, and most importantly Payback. Curse's "downside" of lowering speed actually becomes useful because of Payback. Set-up would take some time, but could get a sweep going every once in a while.
Foul Play was a great addition to Umbreon's tool kit. A Dark type that is actually able to take a hit, has reliable recovery, punishes direct status with Synchronize, and can even boost Defense if you want to transfer over one with Curse.
In its debut generation it had the uniquely annoying ability to Baton Pass after trapping with Mean Look.
I remember drawing a ghost eeveelution based off Umbreon when I was like 10 or 12. It was shaped like Umbreon but purple, with blue ghostly rings like blue ghost fire or shiny Umbreon's rings, but the rings flickered like they were on fire. It had a more fox like tail, with the white tip was again ghostly blue and flickering as if on fire, had its legs separated and floating above its feet and more blue flames coming from the ankles where the legs would connect. I also drew another picture where the rings separated and were being thrown like weapons from its body, a new move exclusive and signature to it, maybe learned by other ghosts like chandelure so not exclusive, agony rings functions like frustration but more damage, so you want to keep friendship low, because even if you feel sorry for it, being around it invokes fear because it doesn't trust you anymore. To evolve it you needed to build friendship then drop it back down to 0... I wanted to emphasize how ghostly and tragic this eevee was, even though I was a kid.
I also made a steel one that was a combination in appearance as Jolteon and Vaporeon, spikes like Jolt but the slenderness of Vapor, evolves with metal coat while leveling instead of trading, but to make up for that needs high friendship, the highest because Shadeon needed the lowest, it was stalwart, resolute, adamant ready to protect its trainer at any cost with its life like a knight. Also a dragon one in high school... though oddly enough, despite being the most recent, I don't remember what it looks like.
He has the same Umbreon plush as MandJTV!! “The floor tentacles are drowning me!!!”
Actually, if you look closer at the plushie background. You will notice that Lockstin also has the same glaceon plush as in pokemon talk
Floor tentacles
What the f#ck happened to the floor
@@firfoox8518 but Glaceon is a kind of a duosh (or however you write this. Like a jerk. English isn my first language)
Umbreon: THE FLOOR TENTACLES ARE DROWNING ME
The other eeveelutions: *not even bothered by it at this point*
Can we just appreciate also the detail of the feet dangling below the school desk at 9:40?
Umbreon in the 'Pokemon Festival of Champions' manga was so badass.
I wish there’s more chapters 😔 the art and storyline is soooo good. And Gary/Green isn’t made to look like a dipshit for no reason and instead there’s justification for his bad attitude which stems from an understandable trauma.
Plus l like the part where we see his rhydon’s thoughts.
Ps, I can’t help but ship Green’s at anime with Blue’s espeon. Rlly wanna see a battle between the two.
Finally, my favorite Eeveelution gets the good ol’ Gnoggin analysis.
Ok, but why no PMD Content? Ever?
Now we all know that fact about Vaporions, but wait till you hear about Umbreons.
_They can go at it alllll night~_
Umbreon is literally a pet cat that's also a huggable night light and can seriously hurt kidnappers.
6:40 "The greeks still struggle with financing" Did you just diss an entire country? Damn.
I had an . . . idea for how we might get more Eeveelutions. Currently, there are 9 Eeveelutions (including Eevee), and 18 Types. Exactly half. So, what if it were possible that we might get a regional variant of Eevee and then every single Eeveelution became a new element. It's shaky, and the matchups aren't perfect, but what I've got so far is:
Eevee -> Fighting Type, gives it a reason for all the changes, Eevees in the region are tougher, more scrappy, and thus that extra aggression comes through in its evolutions.
Vaporeon -> Dragon Type, mostly because its the one that looks like it would transfer to Dragon Type best. Maybe it became a Leviathan or Sea Dragon or something.
Jolteon -> Ground Type, that's the best I got. They were the odd ones out. Maybe there's some connection with grounding or something, but it's weak.
Flareon -> Rock Type, the idea being the fire upgraded to lava, and then the lava hardened, making it rock.
Espeon -> Ghost Type, probably one of those "ascended to a higher plane of existence" kind of things.
Umbreon -> Poison Type, I was torn between that or Bug (with the idea that it got so used to living in the dark, it developed features of the bugs that lived around it), but this video and you bringing up its origins convinced me it would work as Poison on a thematic level.
Leafeon -> Bug Type, the other one vying between Poison or Bug. Poison would have been it developed poisonous defenses in its leaves, while Bug would be something like, it got infested with bugs that ate away its leaves and now it has bugs living inside and on it.
Glaceon -> Steel Type, no reason. Glaceon would just look good with steel in the ice patches.
Sylveon -> Flying Type, as a nod to what many thought it might be before Fairy type was revealed? Maybe the bows get fully flourished out to wings?
It's . . . not great, but I thought it might be worth thinking about.
I feel like it would be better to have normal Eevee get a dragon type Evolution because dragon is the last 'special" type that's hasn't been done yet, and then then regional form has a normal type evolution.
I can just imagine umbreon spitting acid at the opponents eyes like the one dino i can't think of that's in Jurassic Park.
Dilophosaurus, though the actual dinosaur likely didn't have that ability
@@Druid-T that’s just one inaccuracy in the films. The worst is how incredibly bad Velociraptors are portrayed, in the films they are scaly and almost the size of a person. They were likely a little smaller IRL, and had feathers (basically a large killer turkey). Now don’t even get me started on the Tyrannosaurus Rex!
Unfortunately, Hollywood feels the need to ruin history for a good films. Now, inaccurate Velociraptors and T-Rex’s have gotten into the public eye and been accepted as fact over fiction.
@@PansyPops i feel the same, i'm not an expert with dinosaurs but i know how Jurassic Park and other media portraits the wrong ideas of dinos like the most common thing that bugs me that the T-Rex had feathers but are featherless in most movies.
@@bestbrogamer6993 another issue is that they’re always shown to be predators. Recently, people are believing that T-Rex’s were more like vultures than anything; a scavenger. This is a more recent thought, and just a theory at that, so I’ll give them a pass on it. No feathers though? It’s mildly annoying, but I have to put up with it because featherless dinosaurs are all people think of these days. For now, I can only dream of seeing a feathery thunder lizard on the big screen.
Now that I think of it, Jurassic Park can probably get away with it. They said they mixed frog DNA to fill in the blanks, which also allowed them to change gender. Chances are they were meant to be feathered (in film lore), but because of missing DNA strands, they were unable to add in the correct DNA so became scaly from the use of substitutions.
Edit: I’m not an expert or anything on dinosaurs or palaeontology, I just have a random section of my brain dedicated to Dino facts I’ll probably never use, like how T-Rex’s would be unable to run more than 27 mph else their legs would break.
@@PansyPops To be completely fair to the movie: that, like Dilo's venom, is something from the original book. Despite being closer in dimensions to Deinonychus, the book still called them "mongoliensis", and refers to them as "Velociraptor" throughout the entire thing
"It's like... the bottom six of eeveelutions"
Wait... that's a weird number to use...
So then it's top 3?
Why yes you are getting better at clickbait. Just add a few arrows and you’re a master bai-
very nice
Gawr Gura: Master bait, here we go!
@@Sungura_Kaiser lol sounds about like gura
"But trying to translate an octopus into... a rabbit dog"
Meanwhile on MandJTV: AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH THE FLOOOR TENTACLES ARE DROWNING ME!!!
At the time he said that umbreons shiny is a nod to a poisonous octopus I couldn’t help but think of the fricking floor tantacles
Who didn’t though?
"The floor tentacles are drowning me!" - Umbreon
What the f#ck happened to the floor
I appreciate the Calvin and Hobbes edit.
"see that clickbait worked"
Me, who really likes Umbreon and was excited for a themed video about it but instead got all this Umbreon slander in the beginning: :(
12:36
"A poisonous cat fox"
*Proceeds to show a maned wolf*
2:31 THE FLOOR TENTICLES ARE DROWNING ME
4:17 "We, and many animals, have a natural fear of the dark..."
Me, out jogging around a lake and shrine in Japan at 3am: :)
The Umbreon plushie he holds reminded me of Pokemon Talk,
THE FLOOR TENTACLES ARE DROWNING ME!, 😂
Lol I was looking for this comment
The fact that it evolves with friendship really runs counter to the darktype. It being a stray cat would have been perfect for dark type if hit a level with low friendship. If you want the poison to fit tho, toxoplasmosis is a neurological, parasitic infection contracted from infected cats liter boxes. That is a little reachy though
I always figured Umbreon was particularly vicious when hunting prey, or it was what they hunted like how Sneezle steals eggs from nests.
Lockstin: "Mammals and venom don't really go together"
Platypus: *awkward mammal noises*
Curse you, Perry the Platypus!!
Your content is so unique and brings me so much joy whenever I watch!
Your channel gives a professional vibe while also being fun and entertaining. Please keep doing what you do best and never stop using your gnoggin.
reads tekst realises that shadow has rings as limiters realises the 'gains mysterious power' part.
carefully takes distance from umbreon.
It's actually in the top three Eeveelutions.
Granted it's top skill is still "Being able to take a lot of punishment really well", but it looks adorable while doing so, and it's got a flashlight head! Who wouldn't want a pal that can not only see in the dark but can also light up the room?
If Umbreon was originally intended to evolve via a "poison" stone, then maybe that was going to be a reference to the Sesshoseki, "Killing Stone," the now-broken rock that Japanese folklore holds was used to seal away the evil fox spirit Tamamo-no-Mae. The rock is located in a region of Japan were subterranean geological activity often allows toxic fumes to leak out at the surface, and the people in the region believed the air was being poisoned by Tamamo-no-Mae, lashing out from within the stone she'd been imprisoned in. The Sesshoseki has the association with poison, obviously, but given Tamamo-no-Mae is one of the most high-profile -evil- foxes in Japanese folklore, where foxes were often more benevolent than in China or Korea, it works post-type-change, too. Also works as a counterpoint to Espeon, with Tamamo-no-Mae being the kyuubi-no-kitsune to Espeon's nekomata
“Affinity for the night sky”
Imagine if each generation, Eevee’s pokedex was elemental themed or had such undertones. Blazing spirit, electrifying touch or something.
Nocturnal and diurnal, there's also crepuscular! Meaning awake at dawn and dusk, sleeping and waking in 6hour intervals.
6:59 And that’s I guess how Rattata became Dark Type in Alola.
My second favorite dark type. My favorite is Absol. Who's also misunderstood. It's actually pretty helpful because it cries before disaster strikes. There's an episode where Officer Jenny has an absol as her pokemon partner
I was looking for this comment!!! Absol is my favorite dark type as well, but since dark is actually "evil", wouldn't Absol be more psychic, since he or she can sense when a disaster is about to happen? It foresees the event? (Eevee and the Eeveelutions are my number one faves....although I was not thrilled over Sylveon at first)
Bro, every pair of headphones becomes sound cancelling if you turn up the volume high enough.
You got a cute cat too
Listen to loud music for long enough, and your ears become noise cancelling.
@@PansyPops epic gamer facts
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@@PansyPops top ten tips every gamer should follow
Fun fact: Dogs and cats sweat from their paw pads. So having poisonous sweat would be perfect if Umbreon were to scratch an enemy.
Almost 19 minutes of taking us down an extensive detailed rabbit trail involving facts about poisonous mammals, moon rabbits from Journey to the West, Greek Misinterpretations of Egyptian mythology, and a poison ox spider that almost kinda fits......then clearing up all that's nonsense, Umbreon and Espeon are a pair that clearly take design inspiration from this other pair of cat yokia in less than a minute.
You owe us at least a 5 minute video about the yokia that it definitely is based on now.
12:25 "But all of the eevees are monotype you know"
An artist friend of mine started recently on making a bunch of dual type eeveelutions
Umbreon is my favorite along with Jolteon.
To my understanding Da4k types can be divided into 3 categorie
Malevolent
Troublemaker
Ruthless
And Umbreon falls into the ruthless one
Where does Absol fit?
I'm surprised the Ushi oni hasn't been a pokemon design yet, but maybe that be the final form of an ox starter.
the blue ring on umbreon could also be a reference to the blue moon, as a shiny happens once in a blue moon.
"Umbreon could be cooler"- Lockstin, 2021
14:23-nudists cats omg that actually made me laugh because why not!! 😂😂
In Arceus and the Jewel of Life the Sinnoh region looks a lot different than in the trailers for Legends Arceus
12:50 About the poison cats theory it Umbreon typing could be based on the cat-scratched disease, a bacterial infection from getting bitten or scratched by cats.
Been there. When I first got a cat, it scratched the surface of my hand, and the stupid doctor's office acted hysterical that I had to go there. The doctor said what I already thought - it wasn't anywhere that serious and I left and didn't need treatment.
I have a weird suggestion for a video, similar to your video where you give types to the Smash Bros fighters for example. "What if every ability has a type?" So you could give types to abilities. It's just an idea, would love to see it though!
I thought of the same thing before. Abilities like shadow tag would be ghost type, arena trap ground type, air lock and cloud nine flying type, poison heal poison type etc.
*3:59* Alolan Ash, what are you doing there XD?
2:20 FLOOR TENTACLES
Lock you really know what you're doing. I think besides Sylveon, Umbreon may be people's most favorite Eeveelution. I mean you obviously know this. You're smart. You're on the interwebs. Good for you. Getting comments without even asking for people to comment.
u are the closest thing to a real life pokemon professor and i think that is lovely
i can only name the pokedex
It was clearly unintentional, but I do like how the whole "poison sweat" aspect ended up working out pretty well with how Umbreon is most commonly used competitively: by using the move Toxic and then using its naturally high defenses and Moonlight to heal itself while waiting for the poison to do its thing.
4:01 You missed an opportunity to put Vector on the moon
Vector never survive in moon
Fun fact, while in Greek, umbra translates to shadow in Latin it refers to a ring of light. Like the light it refers to being emitted by the Pokemon, at night. I think, umbreon should have stayed poison type. I'm not sure what name, it would have had, at that point.
"the bottom six of all the eeveelutions"
Well according to some sources...
I'd love to see Pokémon treat Umbreon like it has latent poison powers like Raichu's latent psychic powers. Maybe it had an ancient form like a Hisuian Umbreon that utilized the full extent of their poison capabilities, but slowly the Eevee line evolved to not have those poison powers.
“Umbreon could be cooler!” “Bottom six”, going after us Umbreon fans hard, huh? Heheheh, anyways, cool vid, loved learning about all the interesting potential inspirations for Umbreon’s poisonous origins.
Especially since you already covered the bakaneko thing the Espeon video I knew there had to be some weird twist to this one.
15:11 as a fan of Calvin and Hobbes I appreciate this :)
Fun fact: Umbreon is actually the best Pokémon to ever exist in every way.
(This fact was brought to you by Team Umbreon ✌🏾💯)
3:00 you do not know fear until your cat decides to kill anything in their sight in a room with the lights off, even my long haired cat who looks like a real life version of a cat drawn in bongo cat style becomes terrifying, she even plays with her claws sheathed...
Umbreon is one of my favorite Eeveelutions
Umbreon is my favorite Eeveelution! And it was voted most popular Eeveelution in the Pokemon Company pole in 2020!
I’m glad that Umbreon is getting a video. One of my favorite Pokémon of all time.
Edit: So my favorite Dark Type would have been my favorite Poison Type? Neat.
If I was a Pokémon specialist in that universe I’d have Dark Type because I went through my list and am realizing most of my favorite Pokémon are Dark Type
Every video with Sasha gives me life ❤️
What clickbait? I see Lockstin & Gnoggin and immediately click.
I don't normally comment, but I love your videos man. keep up the good work!
6:42. LOCKSTIN MA MAN. That comment is the funniest thing I’ve heard in a Long time. As a student in economics, we’re being told slander about Greece almost every day lol
Umbreon is so toxic, he will force you to pray to Giratina before every meal, no matter if you believe in Arceus, or anything else.
@TheAce well, I mean, of corse it's a form of a species, but if one was to characterize Umbreon, their design is far more musculin then feminine IMO.
I think it’s less of f the evil aspect of dark type and more about the symbolism from the moon and night. It does say it evolves from absorbing the energy from the moon during the night. There’s probably some weird obscure Pokémon lore that only exists in their universe that might be “revealed” later on to explain it, but only if the devs care (which they most likely don’t.)
Lockstin: *insults Umbreon in the intro*
Can't believe I'm going to kill a man over an Eeveelution but here we go
I recently discovered the possible Umbreon/Bastet connection myself while doing a bit of late-night mythology internet reaserch, and I noticed Umbreon resembles the black and gold cat statues depicting the diety. Apparently Bastet was also a fertility goddess, but if you had put that bit of info in your video no doubt everyone would turn it into a meme like Vaporeon.
I'd say Umbreon is my second favorite Eeveelution
First?
It's definitely my favorite
@@diyanshsaxena jolteon duh
@ 0:47 as a fan of martincitopants, I instantly got flashbacks of his Kerbal Scuffed Program, well done sir
8:27 "Or they could just break their pattern, they're ALLOWED to do that!"
*furious Smash Bros Fighter Pass predictor noises intensify*
The fact that 2 of the best Eeveelutions are on the bottom of your list makes me wonder if you had Covid....
His taste seems off??
"Butt!" *zooms on cat butt*
Ah I see what you did there.
Umbreon is easily the best
I always find it funny how Umbreon & Espeon don't utilize the Moon Stones or Sun Stones in any way.
Umbreon would be cooler if he stopped being tsundere toward Sylveon and just accepted her.
???
@@jerryakatony5724 tsundere means someone initially cold and uncaring upon initially meeting, but becoming warmer over time (source: Wikipedia).
@@PansyPops ok, but what does the at have to do with Umbreon and Slyveon. They are species not people…
Forgetting Espeon there with your ships....
@@jerryakatony5724 R34 my friend. Wholesome or...otherwise...
Umbreon is still my favourite of the Eeveelution Line. I had as my first Shiney on an Playthrough with Pokemon Platinum Edition as it randomly evolved as I was playing past 8 p.m.
I may actually be first
I was
@@Monroeski27 actually I was 8 seconds faster
It says you were 16 seconds slower
How about were both first
@@Monroeski27 works for me
That complete mind blop of "Umbreon could be cooler" *questions oneself and what was just said* "that's not what I meant to say".
Dude, bro.. I feel you. It's all too often occuring to be honest
Also, gotta say; I get that everyone loves (blue) shiny Umbreon, I do too, it looks good. But come on, that purple colour? So much superior
6:54 i see y’all using the mare in the moon from mlp….i see you….. (i enjoy the editing lots. go team! woo!)
Cats may not be venomous, but their bites and scratches can be NASTY