hahaha ! feel called out... decided to run classic wotlk. I just came from retail, so im fresh start. -- lvl 5 right now XD. In reatail, im a balance/ restro druid but this time around I want to go feral. I've been watching your videos to get a feel this expansion. Great videos! you earned my sub!
I think there are a couple of extra bear 🐻 changes you missed and in my opinion are big: there's a talent that makes you gain rage everytime you dodge (which compensates the less armor bonus as you want to max dodge, no more I need to be hit to have rage). And the second is that you now get the full 6% crit reduction from talents (not just 3%) so no need for defense ever
Yea the need for defence gear gone is in my pre raid bis video, I should of mentioned it here as well though your right 👍 natural reaction was also probably worth a mention as well. It’ll definitely get a mention in the actual feral tank guide. Cheers mate.
Should we start a petition now that has Blizzard port the Legion swipe animations to bear and cat so they actually have...an animation that matches their aoe in what will be Classic Wrath? I say let's do it.
you kind of glossed over one of the biggest core changes to the class on the energy regen and how this works with furor, which is that feral energy continues to regen while out of cat form. this makes it so you can be a true hybrid, shifting bear in a pinch if u pulled aggro, or shifting out for a quick heal or battle rez, and when you shift back your energy is near capped so there is far less dps loss, especially if you shifted out when your energy was depleted.
Yep good point mate for sure. For anyone reading though it’s worth noting that this only applies with furor talented. Without it energy doesn’t regen while out of cat at all.
a thing that should be noted im glad you mentioned that feral faerie fire can proc clearcasting but so can all other spells. Barkskin, innervate, natures grasp these can all proc clearcasting
Im glad to see class changes videos coming up, im not playing druid but still good series so everyone can decide what class they want to play based on incoming changes
not a need to get omen of clarity if full feral since you already get predatory strikes for free instant heal or attack. However back in original wrath there was no such thing as free heals while still in bear other than frenzied regen so you went for omen of clarity for free attack or heal but you had to shift out of bear to get heal free.
I’m really surprised I didn’t mention it, I’ll have to rewatch, the full length video was nearly an hour long so I may have chopped that out by accident
11:25 You are saying that, but what about buffed thorns? How does that skill change in WotLK? Obviously now in TBC there is no space for it in a tanking spec, but in Classic as a feral I specced into that for a while just for some aoe threat situations. The nice thing is that the 75% bonus from the talent also affects the T1 thorns bonus, which increases thorns duration by 50% and adds 4 damage, with talent 7 damage, to your thorns. So specced and buffed with T1 bonus thorns currently do 54 damage in TBC, which is pretty good imo. So I'm wondering is there still some use for it in WotLK? 11:55 And you didn't mention tanking for this talent. I'm guessing you would still recommend going 5/5 into furor as bear tank, right? Otherwise you would pop into bear form and have no rage for any initial threat or to charge somewhere. On another note, as far as I know gearing for feral changes a lot in WotLK, you have no high armor pieces and your gear loses any intellect bonus. The way Blizzard counteracted that nerf is with reduced shapeshifting mana cost, correct? As someone who greatly appreciates intellect on my tanking gear, since when my target is dead I can help out the healers a little or keep up the tank if too many healers died in a fight. Does the lack of intellect on feral gear make that pretty much impossible in wotlk?
Well you don't put any point into balance as a feral either tank or dps, any druid can cast thorns on you and if they have the imroved thorns u'll get the benefit (spoilers noone takes this talent anyway cause its shit, except for druids when they dont have enough haste for a better talent spec) Ye you don't take 5/5 furor as a bear the resto tree looks pretty much the same for cat and bear Lastly you don't heal as a feral at all, the only somewhat worthy thing is popping tranquility otherwise your contribution to healing is negligable so better stay in your form and do dam dam
@@twloludey It was for me back in the days. When I returned to Wow a few months after wrath release feral was OP. Barely got into any pugs because of my gearscore. But when I did players were blown away seeing a freshly dinged 80 fighting for top spots in 25 mans. Also remember joining my old guild on Ulduar hard modes as a casual in mostly blues doing top 5 dps. Blizzard nerfed feral pretty early in the expansion as far as i remember
No mention of the Ulduar patch giving us savage defense? I believe that's what it was called. You gained a small shield whenever you crit in bear form. I was an MT Feral all through LK, and if memory serves me right, they nerfed bear in some ways but gave savage defense to us to compensate for pve. Long live Lolferal
Seems consensus is that feral is better than ever in wrath. But from what Ive seen Im not a big fan of the rotation. The energy management looks less dynamic. It looks like you empty your bar in a few cds and then youre just sat waiting for the bar to go from 0 - 25, 0 - 40 or whatever your next ability needs, except when tigers fury is off cd. As a lifelong feral druid, whats your take on this? Like, the dps might be better, but is the actual gameplay as well? I personally think the tbc powershift rotation is FANTASTIC, not looking forward to losing it.
I totally see why you feel that way but trust me you won’t feel the same once you get your hands on a WOTLK feral. All I’ll say is don’t judge it during pre patch it’s gonna suck!!
There might not be any powershifting rotation in wrath but there are a lot more things to manage compare to TBC: Savage Roar, Rake, Tiger's fury, FF as a filler to proc CC. The spec shifts from energy management to buffs/debuffs management. This is arguably the most complex rotation in wrath over all the other classes but this is so much rewarding once you feel comfortable with it.
Hi really nood question here. Is there a reason to only do our finisher moves such as ferocious bite or rip with 5 combo points? => So like : Shred > Shred > Shred > Shred > Shred > Ferocious bite/Rip. Isn't it more efficient to do : Shred > ferocious bite/rip and then repeat 5 times? Is there a real incentive to always go up 5 CP before doing a finish moves? Thanks in advance.
Do you think feari fire will still proc clearcasting in cat in wotlk retail? As it doesnt do dmg in cat form and the Omen Clarity tooltip states "any dmg or healing spell".
Idk if I missed it but does anyone know if omen of clarity can also proc clear casting from the instant casts you use from predatory strikes? Like can I cast an instant predatory strikes healing touch at someone and have it proc clear casting? And does it matter if it actually does any healing or can an entirely over healed spell still proc omen of clarity? If non damaging spells like faeri fire proc it then I would assume it to work like that, but would like affirmation if anyone knows for sure.
How it works come Classic is going to be something to confirm during the beta because on pservers it procs from things like barkskin, gift of the wild etc which according to historic patch notes it definitely shouldn’t. But in terms of healing spells like healing touch yes it definitely should and it being 100% over healing should make no difference, it can still have the chance of a proc.
I have a WOTLK warlock pre-bis ive worked on a bit, If youre interested lmk and ill post an SS of it / the google drive link in your disc or to your DM on disc. Maybe someone in your community can figure out a piece that works better than the ones ive crunched (The hit % seems a bit off)
Yo Scotte! Are ferals better than rogues in wrath for damage? Thanks m8! Still love your druid content. I can't fucking wait for wrath, keep cranking out these videos :)
Hey Scotte i have a Feral question regarding the wotlk prepatch. I remember how i did sethekk halls hc with my 70ies feral solo to farm the cool mount. Wotlk was out, but i stayed on lv. 70 with tbc gear and a green lv. 68 wotlk staff. Do you think this solo run will be possible in classic TBC too? Maybe they fixed too much in the prepatch, i dont know 2
@@easycake3251 he meant that the bonus armor from items is not getting conversion from bear form (aka if u get 500 extra armor from ring its not getting scaled into 2k armor but stays 500 but all legit armor gets scaled)
I can't wait, as a Resto Druid, to get an out of combat rez. Because it is super frustrating watching idiots rez warriors and rogues before Shamans, Paladins and Priests.
hahaha ! feel called out... decided to run classic wotlk. I just came from retail, so im fresh start. -- lvl 5 right now XD. In reatail, im a balance/ restro druid but this time around I want to go feral. I've been watching your videos to get a feel this expansion. Great videos! you earned my sub!
I watched you in TBC prepatch and now for wotlk. You've earned my sub~ Keep it up, mighty feral!
I think there are a couple of extra bear 🐻 changes you missed and in my opinion are big: there's a talent that makes you gain rage everytime you dodge (which compensates the less armor bonus as you want to max dodge, no more I need to be hit to have rage). And the second is that you now get the full 6% crit reduction from talents (not just 3%) so no need for defense ever
Yea the need for defence gear gone is in my pre raid bis video, I should of mentioned it here as well though your right 👍 natural reaction was also probably worth a mention as well. It’ll definitely get a mention in the actual feral tank guide. Cheers mate.
Both those changes sound awesome!
@@Scottejaye As a bear since Vanilla Classic I am hyped for your feral tank guide. Will there be a gear progression from fresh 80 to pre-raid / Naxx ?
This whole series is sooo exciting!
Should we start a petition now that has Blizzard port the Legion swipe animations to bear and cat so they actually have...an animation that matches their aoe in what will be Classic Wrath? I say let's do it.
Count me in
Yeah sure thatll happen
Might aswell start a petition to "Make Retail good"
All the warlock spell animations that they did. Chaos bolt, shadow bolt and so on
you kind of glossed over one of the biggest core changes to the class on the energy regen and how this works with furor, which is that feral energy continues to regen while out of cat form. this makes it so you can be a true hybrid, shifting bear in a pinch if u pulled aggro, or shifting out for a quick heal or battle rez, and when you shift back your energy is near capped so there is far less dps loss, especially if you shifted out when your energy was depleted.
Yep good point mate for sure. For anyone reading though it’s worth noting that this only applies with furor talented. Without it energy doesn’t regen while out of cat at all.
a thing that should be noted im glad you mentioned that feral faerie fire can proc clearcasting but so can all other spells. Barkskin, innervate, natures grasp these can all proc clearcasting
I mained a bear druid during wotlk, was a blast!
Im glad to see class changes videos coming up, im not playing druid but still good series so everyone can decide what class they want to play based on incoming changes
Great content! CANT wait for the Shadow priest one :D
Feral is amazing in WotLK.
Challenging rotation, but very rewarding.
Feral for life
@@Scottejaye How does the rotation compare to enhance shaman?
@@Deefoz they’re both some of the hardest dps specs to play with high APM for each.
lol never understood why an ability called pounce didn't actually involve the cat jumping onto the target
Hypeeeeee get that hunter video out!!
I'm ready for LK now!
Fucking thanks! That's what I truly need! Atlantiss WotLK alpha starting this year - HYPE!
as mage at that time (after i rerolled after the trauma of dk/pala in arena ) i still dread to this day the 'roar' of the feral that opened on me
not a need to get omen of clarity if full feral since you already get predatory strikes for free instant heal or attack. However back in original wrath there was no such thing as free heals while still in bear other than frenzied regen so you went for omen of clarity for free attack or heal but you had to shift out of bear to get heal free.
Big change for feral tanks is the swipe target limit removal - would probably be worth a mention as is pretty massive.
I’m really surprised I didn’t mention it, I’ll have to rewatch, the full length video was nearly an hour long so I may have chopped that out by accident
He mentions it at 21:25
@@anasameer you're 100% right - I must have missed ! Good stuff
11:25 You are saying that, but what about buffed thorns? How does that skill change in WotLK? Obviously now in TBC there is no space for it in a tanking spec, but in Classic as a feral I specced into that for a while just for some aoe threat situations. The nice thing is that the 75% bonus from the talent also affects the T1 thorns bonus, which increases thorns duration by 50% and adds 4 damage, with talent 7 damage, to your thorns. So specced and buffed with T1 bonus thorns currently do 54 damage in TBC, which is pretty good imo. So I'm wondering is there still some use for it in WotLK?
11:55 And you didn't mention tanking for this talent. I'm guessing you would still recommend going 5/5 into furor as bear tank, right? Otherwise you would pop into bear form and have no rage for any initial threat or to charge somewhere.
On another note, as far as I know gearing for feral changes a lot in WotLK, you have no high armor pieces and your gear loses any intellect bonus. The way Blizzard counteracted that nerf is with reduced shapeshifting mana cost, correct? As someone who greatly appreciates intellect on my tanking gear, since when my target is dead I can help out the healers a little or keep up the tank if too many healers died in a fight. Does the lack of intellect on feral gear make that pretty much impossible in wotlk?
You don't need to go into balance at all, i main feral on pserver and while i love it the way you spec as feral is pretty boring tbh.
Well you don't put any point into balance as a feral either tank or dps, any druid can cast thorns on you and if they have the imroved thorns u'll get the benefit (spoilers noone takes this talent anyway cause its shit, except for druids when they dont have enough haste for a better talent spec)
Ye you don't take 5/5 furor as a bear the resto tree looks pretty much the same for cat and bear
Lastly you don't heal as a feral at all, the only somewhat worthy thing is popping tranquility otherwise your contribution to healing is negligable so better stay in your form and do dam dam
Nice guide. I hope when you do the paladin one you can clarify if seal twist is still a thing.
It’s not
Sindragosa just launched it's a fresh Wrath server, progressive, looks professional and healthy pop. If you're getting a wrath itch... 😁
Oh sorry, it's launching on the 13th so in a couple days! I was referring to name reserves 💪💪
Im pretty sure they moved feral charge down two tiers to prevent PvP rdruids from having an interrupt. Its a pvp change more than anything
feral dps was so overwhelming for me in wrath, i remember it as the most intricate pve spec, but it was a long time ago so who knows?
Feral in wrath = topping meters in raids while wearing all blue gear.
@@KalleLagerlof that's not true at all, also Feral on wrath is very dependant on having a blood dk for Hysteria to be top dmg in any raid
@@twloludey It was for me back in the days. When I returned to Wow a few months after wrath release feral was OP. Barely got into any pugs because of my gearscore. But when I did players were blown away seeing a freshly dinged 80 fighting for top spots in 25 mans. Also remember joining my old guild on Ulduar hard modes as a casual in mostly blues doing top 5 dps. Blizzard nerfed feral pretty early in the expansion as far as i remember
Yo Scotty, Please do Protection Paladin after you are finished with Druid Specs!!
Will do mate. Both other Druid videos will be out by Tuesday then will do paladin 👍
looking forward to months and months of wrath videos
looking forward to a resto druid video, please :D
No mention of the Ulduar patch giving us savage defense?
I believe that's what it was called. You gained a small shield whenever you crit in bear form.
I was an MT Feral all through LK, and if memory serves me right, they nerfed bear in some ways but gave savage defense to us to compensate for pve.
Long live Lolferal
You should do a WoTLK class series
Seems consensus is that feral is better than ever in wrath. But from what Ive seen Im not a big fan of the rotation. The energy management looks less dynamic. It looks like you empty your bar in a few cds and then youre just sat waiting for the bar to go from 0 - 25, 0 - 40 or whatever your next ability needs, except when tigers fury is off cd. As a lifelong feral druid, whats your take on this? Like, the dps might be better, but is the actual gameplay as well? I personally think the tbc powershift rotation is FANTASTIC, not looking forward to losing it.
I totally see why you feel that way but trust me you won’t feel the same once you get your hands on a WOTLK feral. All I’ll say is don’t judge it during pre patch it’s gonna suck!!
There might not be any powershifting rotation in wrath but there are a lot more things to manage compare to TBC: Savage Roar, Rake, Tiger's fury, FF as a filler to proc CC. The spec shifts from energy management to buffs/debuffs management. This is arguably the most complex rotation in wrath over all the other classes but this is so much rewarding once you feel comfortable with it.
Do u still need to ahidt out of form to use consumables like health pots? What about engineering tinkers like the haste gloves or rocket?
You can see the changes on warmane, it's free and better than blizzard.
You can also see the changes on Sindragosa today, it’s fresh and better than blizzard
Would you ever release a feral druid guide?
Love your videos!❤
You never even mentioned that feral druids get a 50 percent slow to enemies on their abilities
for PvP aye, would never really take it in a PvE build. PvP stuff always gets past me because I rarely ever do it :D
Druid hype 🔥🐈
Is DST actually good going into WOLK because of no more power shifting?
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeahhh scottee bring more wrath vids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Will we be more competitive and be easier to find a raid spot?
Absolutely mate, a full on pumper the entire expansion
hoping you cover tri spec DK when its there turn
Hi really nood question here. Is there a reason to only do our finisher moves such as ferocious bite or rip with 5 combo points? => So like : Shred > Shred > Shred > Shred > Shred > Ferocious bite/Rip. Isn't it more efficient to do : Shred > ferocious bite/rip and then repeat 5 times? Is there a real incentive to always go up 5 CP before doing a finish moves? Thanks in advance.
Does your appearance in cat/bear form graphiclly change in wotlk. Like do the models get updated too look better in this xpac??
Would these changes change the 2v2 and 3v3 comp metas?
Do you think feari fire will still proc clearcasting in cat in wotlk retail? As it doesnt do dmg in cat form and the Omen Clarity tooltip states "any dmg or healing spell".
40-45min vid on feral's would've been great! :( lol
What about crafting? Eng and what?
what is best end game professions for feral druid?
Are feral cats like in tbc where raid spots for them are unlikely? I miss my druid might need to bring him back in wotlk
Nah man feral are OP in WotlK!
Feral is crazy good in uldaur
Good in every tier
Idk if I missed it but does anyone know if omen of clarity can also proc clear casting from the instant casts you use from predatory strikes? Like can I cast an instant predatory strikes healing touch at someone and have it proc clear casting? And does it matter if it actually does any healing or can an entirely over healed spell still proc omen of clarity? If non damaging spells like faeri fire proc it then I would assume it to work like that, but would like affirmation if anyone knows for sure.
How it works come Classic is going to be something to confirm during the beta because on pservers it procs from things like barkskin, gift of the wild etc which according to historic patch notes it definitely shouldn’t. But in terms of healing spells like healing touch yes it definitely should and it being 100% over healing should make no difference, it can still have the chance of a proc.
is that cat form actually accurate to tbc or private server thing??? i think it looks soooooo much better than tauren cat form right now
Are the form look change as you show in the video?
I have a WOTLK warlock pre-bis ive worked on a bit, If youre interested lmk and ill post an SS of it / the google drive link in your disc or to your DM on disc. Maybe someone in your community can figure out a piece that works better than the ones ive crunched (The hit % seems a bit off)
Are weapon still stat sticks in wrath or does weapon dps actually matter?
Will u Play SoM and if yes on which server? =D
Is bear form just as good in Wrath pvp as it is in TBC pvp? or nah?
druids get new forms in wotlk ?
Yo Scotte! Are ferals better than rogues in wrath for damage? Thanks m8! Still love your druid content. I can't fucking wait for wrath, keep cranking out these videos :)
Kinda depends who's getting hysteria from bdk :P
anyone knows if and how the druid forms change in WOTLK (diffrent skins i mean)
Feeling blessed I didn’t have a mangel bitch use to watching buffs lol
when is it coming out?
Hey Scotte i have a Feral question regarding the wotlk prepatch.
I remember how i did sethekk halls hc with my 70ies feral solo to farm the cool mount. Wotlk was out, but i stayed on lv. 70 with tbc gear and a green lv. 68 wotlk staff.
Do you think this solo run will be possible in classic TBC too? Maybe they fixed too much in the prepatch, i dont know 2
Jump to 1:45 to skip all the intro crap.
Wait... regarding the armor, does that mean Cat has the same armor as a bear ? Or did I misunderstand you ?
No, cat form doesn't give you any armor increase while bearform does so in bear form you will have much more armor than in cat
@@funkmedaddy Thats what was logical to me as well. But he clearly (at least to me) said there is no bonus armor from bear in Wotlk ?
@@easycake3251 he meant that the bonus armor from items is not getting conversion from bear form (aka if u get 500 extra armor from ring its not getting scaled into 2k armor but stays 500 but all legit armor gets scaled)
@@funkmedaddy What about potion usage ? Does that still shift us out of form ? As well as Engi bombs etc.
@@easycake3251 no, you can use consumables in forms no prob
Can ferals actually get spots in raid as dps?
They actually pump some nice dps so usually there's 1 spot maybe 2 for a cat
As you said "even if youre not a druid" i looked at your shirt. "YOU ARE"... Ok guess so :(
Warrior pls
Big Pumper!
I can't wait, as a Resto Druid, to get an out of combat rez. Because it is super frustrating watching idiots rez warriors and rogues before Shamans, Paladins and Priests.
woulda been better to see footage of aoe as u talk about aoe, etc :)
Glad to get rid of that helm
In depth video followup on already 20 minute video about ferals lol. Classic wow youtubers milking the cow
Eh? I don’t even understand what your trying to say? This is the only feral change video I’ve done, it’s not a follow up…..
please don't be the feral that spams faerie fire, you'll screw over the casters by overwriting a boomkins faerie fire
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if they dont do fresh wotlk its gonna be a disaster as tbc
FRESH FRESH WE WANT FRESH
PRIVATE SERVER FRESH FRESH
I’d have so much more respect for you if you weren’t a feral main
but feral is hard I don't get your comment.