The Best CPU For Sim Racing and VR Gamers On AM4 | Ryzen 7 5800X3D
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- The Ryzen 7 5800X3D is the ultimate CPU Upgrade for gamers with an AM4 Socket Motherboard in 2023. I went from a 5600x to the 5800x3D and these are my shockingly good results with Racing Simulators !
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Thanks for watching guys , I made this video as I feel lots of you are probably in the same situation as me with a 1-3 year old AM4 MOBO and this CPU genuinely blew my teabags off , time will tell if it ends up being as spicy as the 2500k was back in 2012 😆
Making this CPU even better is that you can sometimes find it for even cheaper than the 350 I payed , if you look at benchmarks you can also see that it stacks up really well to the newer processors on the market specifically for gaming.
For those of you with older AM4 motherboards and maybe slower ram make sure to double check compatibility and bench marks done with your equipment, as it might be better to make the switch to a new Motherboard RAM and the newer AMD AM5 or Intel LGA 1700 socket chips.
Did you test with Triple screen setup? Dan Suzuki recently found out that the 5800x3d is exactly same performance = 5600x/5800x in triple screen. So 5800x3d upgrade is not required for 1440p/4k x 3 users.
Kindly confirm your triple screen findings....
Thanks.
One thing that pisses me right off is e-waste and CPU/Mobo lifespan so getting this boost at this stage would have me skipping like a dandy too!
@@ranakirti far more GPU limited with triples so yes a faster CPU won't help as much.
Very interesting mate what graphics card are you using ? Im in that exact boat on a 2070S with R5 3600 but i am eyeballing these 4000 series cards but figured i needed to upgrade mobo, ram and cpu as well then, might be good with only a gfx card and cpu then. Do you get the same performance boost in VR ?
I think you meant to say the i7 2600 K mate. Yes, that CPU is/was legendary!
I seem to remember someone saying they were worried it probably wouldn't make much difference. It's almost like the person who convinced you to buy it knew what they were talking about...
The influencer inversion !
Being the hardcore ACC fan you are, this is literally the best CPU you could have picked (at the time of posting). Well done GM!
Literally built a new PC with this CPU before Christmas. Secured a 7900xtx on launch day and I've been really enjoying high to max settings on triple 1440p. Such a revelation. I'm hoping this'll do for the next 5 years of sim-racing.
I'm doing the same with a 6900XT though I'm guessing my framerate might be a little lower than yours :) Hopefully I'll have more time for testing when I finally get the rest of the rig going. I can say that ATS and Forza 5 Horizon at max settings has no noticeable stutter. I need to work on my FOV for ACC before I can dial in my settings/FPS.
Secured.
Were you able to try VR on ams2 with night/rain settings? I get 90 fps on clear day 6650xt/3600
@@TK-jj9xr i hv a 3600x looking to upgrade MY gpu any suggestions pal or should i upgrade both (simracing)
The 5800x3d is amazing. it shows that in most cases lots of super fast cache is better than clock speed in gaming work loads. I came from a 5600x with 4.65Ghz x6 with 32MB L3 cach is blown out of the water by the 5800x3d maxing out at 4.45Ghz x8 with 96MB L3 cache. The new 7000x3d series has up to 144MB L3. These gaming CPUs are excellent for enthusiasts who aren't driven by core hungry production tasks.
Picked up 30-40 fps in iracing from the 5600x to 5800x3d… at triple 1440p😳
Just upgraded to this chip last week. Final step on my AM4 system. Some serious new AM5 x3D chips announced, but that is a big money upgrade for everything,
And the smallest of the new X3D chips, the 7800X3D is arround 20-30% faster in games vs the 5800X3D (AMD own benchmarks in 1080p, cherry picked games). So if you get the 5800X3D for 300€, the 7800X3D should cost 30% more to be price competitive and I doubt it will be anywhere near 400€. 500-600€ street price is my bet.
Couldn't agree more, I changed out my r5 3600 to this CPU 4 weeks ago, its an outrageous upgrade. Runs AC at those numbers mentioned from the greens to the checkered flag, + 180 -200fps during single practice sessions.
whats your gpu
I upgraded from a 3600 to a 5700x with my rtx 3080 at 3440x1440p and it was a huge upgrade. I plan to upgrade to a 5800x3d down the road but things run prettty smooth now. Definitely don't sleep on the cpu demand of sim racing. Cpu bottlenecks are no joke! Even at higher resolutions it matters.
I'm about to go from an R7 1700 to the 5800X3D, then later an RTX 2070 to the RX 7900XTX... can't wait!
What’s your average fps in sim games
@@NoLoveinHell I cap my frames at 116 since my monitor is 120hz and in most games its maxed at 116 except for the full grid starts on iracing and acc
Insane performance boost. It's an absolute no brainer if you run Sims like Iracing, R3E and Rfactor 2. I had a 3800xt paired with my 3070. Race starts used to bomb to below 60fps. With the 5800x3d my frames never drop below 120.
Thank you! Your comment helped me a lot!
Going to be picking up a 7900x3D or 7950x3D soon, they just announced them for release next month, should be kick ass for sims, especially Flight Simulator as that loves the extra cache.
These two CPUs will have the 3D V-cache only on one of the CCDs and it remains to be seen how windows scheduler handles it.
The 7800X3D and 5800X3D only has one CCD and therefore MIGHT be the better choice, but MS will probably figure out the scheduling eventually.
Its true. After installing the 4090 I was a bit underwhelmed but after adding the 5800x3d I am now in a very happy place (I only play VR on the Reverb G2). I can finally max out 99% of AC in full res and am rock solid on 90fps. Before not even close.
I'm on the upgrade path due to a recent PICO 4 purchase, can I ask what GPU you were running previously, just for a refence point ?
@@andyphillips3 Went from 1080Ti to 3080 to 3080Ti to now the 4090. I was also running a 5600X before like GM.
I don’t sit through many videos in full. Even my favourite.
Somehow I can watch yours to the end. Just noticed that
Told you it was a special chip 🙃 Definitely look into curve optimiser though.
You might not be able to do it through BIOS (5800x3D had this locked in the BIOS) but you can find a tool online to get even more out of the chip.
@@MisterKrakens im know im a little late, but The Chip is NOT overclovkable it will definetly kill the CPU If you do so
@@MisterKrakens yes Most Ryzen Chips can be ocd except for The ones with 3d Cache, Look it up
I bought this CPU to upgrade from a Ryzen 5 3600. With a 2070 super, I can now play iRacing in VR full Quest 2 resolution and never drops below 120 fps. I also play MSFS in VR, and my fps doubled to tripled in certain scenarios. I am just blown away by it. The fact that it is a drop in upgrade is unbelievable.
Yeah I have a r7 3700x with 2070super and hp G2 VR. I struggle playing AC on mid settings and averages 50-60fps. Going to upgrade to 5800x3d to see improvements then maybe possibly upgrade to rtx 3000/4000 series
@meeks726 I lately upgraded to a 3090 and I find this combo great match. I also just bought a Reverb G2 and I can do iRacing 90 fps with no problem. I am sure I could get more but the G2 I'd maxed at 90 fps. It also gets 90 fps at Automobilista 2. I didn't try it at AC with mods but with the Quest 2 I was getting 90 fps as well.
@@MegaIronica did you get a chance to run r7 5800x3d with 2070s on your reverb g2?
@@meeks726 bo but I ran it with the Quest 2 full resolution and I could hit 120 fps on iracing no problem. But iRacing is known for being very easy to run graphically. That is why the CPU makes à huge difference.
Unrelated to Sim Racers but I switched my 2600x for a 5800x3D (32GB RAM and RTX 2060 Super) and it more then doubled my FPS in Star Citizen in big cities. I had average of 35FPS and it went to 80FPS!
I am so glad I bought a decent AM4 board a few years ago!
It's wild you are seeing those improvments at 4k. Lower resolutions are were you normally find a CPU bottleneck as the higer res is more graphics card dependent.
Also Hardware Unboxed has been using ACC in their benchmarks for awhile now. You can really see the differances in a racing sim and a FPS in their benchmarks.
I think I was also having a separate issue with my bios before I updated it when installing the new CPU.
I've mostly being using a different pc for the last 2 months on another rig.
Still I think this CPU seems to do better frame timing / get less micro stutters / more consistent frame rate than I experience on other pcs.
Be interesting for a proper hardware site to properly test it and show exactly what's going on.
I also just upgraded from a 5600x and the boost is nuts, from a thermal point of view though it's almost 10 to 15 degree increase compared to my 5600x even with a aio. My CPU idles low 40s... I've seen some people undervolting with pbo2. MSI has a setting in the bios called kombo strike default, 1, 2 and 3. Apparently 3 gives better thermals and also somehow gives slightly higher boost(testing this tonight)
Best Bang for the Buck chip right now.....just finished my build, and this thing kicks arse....:)
As it happens i was just planning to upgrade to 5800X3D. Thanks for the shared experience in sim titles. Also.. your new jingle is awesome!
I'm really glad you did this benchmark. I'm currently running a 5600x with a 3080ti so essentially the same setup as you. I upgraded from 1080p to 4k recently for my sim rig display and was feeling strain from the higher resolution. I refuse to buy a 40 series card so this will help me squeeze the most out of my setup.
Exactly the setup I had. I just upgraded to the 5800x3d and to an MSI Suprim Liquid and the difference is pretty insane
Been running one since they came out, I race iRacing on max settings with a 34 inch ultra wide & a 3090FE with no problems at all.
5800X3D is a no brainer for Sim Racers! When u use "DXVK 2.0" instead of the Standard DX9-Renderer in Race Room you would get another FPS Boost about 30%. :) - Greetz Cracky
I was genuinely thinking of making that exact same upgrade this morning.
just switched from 5600x to 5800x3d and this thing is a MONSTER in asseto corsa SRP heavy traffic
Just got my 5800X3D yesterday. 70% performance boost on Shuto Revival Project at MAX settings 1440p. Went from 50fps to 85-90fps
What gpu?
@@meeks726 3070 Ti
I was really weighing this or the 5900x 12 core, they were very similar priced during Black Friday, I do some video production and editing so I had to go for more cores and less L3 cache. I was going from a Ryzen 7 2700x which had like 12mb L3 cache, holy moly was I bottlenecked there. Only 64mb L3 cache on the 5900x but the extra cores do the duty in 4k rendering.
My framerates smoothed out across the board and improved in all CPU heavy games dramatically.
YES UPDATE YOUR BIOS, HOLY MOLY MINE WAS VERY OLD
Also slapped in some liquid cooling, got the cheapest 240mm Deep Cool one I could and it runs whisper quiet at 65-70 degrees stable.
You can use Userbenchmark juste to make sure you have normal performance from your computer
Probably the best advice you’ve ever given.
I've been waiting for a video where the 5600x is compared to the 5800x3D in sim titles. I have the 5600x and I have been noticing the limitations in performance, but I don't want to upgrade my while system. Looks like 5800x3D is the way to go for me! Thanks!
Keep in mind what you GPU situation is. He had a 3080ti, and his CPU was probably bottlenecking. So the gain is massive for him. If you don't have a high end GPU like that, the gain might be less. But still, it's a very powerful CPU that will give good gains.
Thanks for the heads up! I do have a 3070 and realize my gains in average fps would be to a lesser degree. From other reviews that showcase other games I play, I do expect it to be a definite improvement overall. Also, I would expect for it to last at least as long as my 5600x did(2~3 years).
@@nuketube2650 same for me. I am also considering this CPU. I don't expect the massive gain. More something like 10-15%. I do think the smoothness he mentioned will be a gain too.
I just got fortunate enough to get a 4090 FE but I've yet to decide on the rest of the components. I do a lot of sim racing (all the sims) and regular gaming as well on a 4K display. Probably going to go with triples now for the sim rig and ditch the 49" 1080p ultrawide. My current CPU is a Intel 7700K lol
I was torn between this 5800 X3D and the 13700K as, I am mostly a Sim Racer/Flight Simmer. I finally decided to go with the 13700K as I felt that even if I were giving up a few frames now, the 13th gen is on a much newer platform and felt that the Intel chip would eventually outperform the AMD chip in time.
Still do think about this CPU and wonder if I'm making the right decision but I have to believe that you can't go wrong either way.
Yup been pulling my hair out, between the 13600k and this one
Went from 2600x to this and wasn’t fully convinced that i should. I’m using a quadro rtx5000 which according to various tools online it’s a bottleneck already. Yet my feeling was right as this gpu used same die as 2080’s. Sure enough- microsoft flight sim - from 40fps, now up to 45 but absolutely butter smooth with same settings. Dlss on (quality) seeing me now 70 fps which on old cpu was unheard off.
F1 22 ingame benchmarks, 70pf with low of 45 on monaco, now to 90fps average, arund 80 minimum and over 100 max fps at points. First time ever where I experienced upgrading CPU to make a “gpu upgrade experience like”. It’s a real gem this cpu.
“I’m old” 😂 me too bruv, me too
I had a budget B450 Tomahawk with a Ryzen 5 3600 build. And with just a 350 euro CPU upgrade (5800X3D) it went from a budget low tier build to a pretty high end build lol. Very worth the upgrade. Choosing AM4 3 and a half years ago was a good choice 😊
whats your gpu bro? i have r5 3600x and gtx1660s. what do you suggest to upgrade
@@rachidbahammi6515 I have an RTX 3070, but I needed CUDA so I needed Nvidia. If you don't need the Nvidia features consider AMD as it is more bang for the buck
Nice video and summary. The 5800 X3D is a superb CPU. Personally the 5800X3D is a little rich for my blood and its pulling more power than I'd like. So I'm going with an upgrade to the 5600 from my current 3600 as it has such great bang per buck.
Worth checking out Clock Tuner for Ryzen to optimise the CPU in terms of voltages and clocks etc.
I upgraded from a 3600 to a 5600 about 6 months ago and it made a massive difference especially on iracing when driving past the pits and grandstands. Worth it 😎🤙
@@Forie Yep. The per core performance increase of Zen 3 vs Zen 2 was significant. And we all know iRacing needs high performance on a couple of individual cores.
Got 2 on black Friday for $319.99 each.
I made my pc on 2016 with a ryzen 5 1600x and a 1080ti and in 2020 upgraded the gpu to a 3090. Now i am debating between 5800x3d or a 5950x, but 70% closer to 5800x3d because i use it for gaming....but i know that the jump will be huge 😅
Grab the 5800x3d if you only do gaming the extra cores don't make as big of a difference vs the extra cache. I went from a 1600 to a 3600 then to the 5800x3d and the difference was insane, you'll probably get at least 50% more fps in your setup cause that 1600 is bottlenecking hard.
Upgrading from a 3950x to this! Appreciate the good work
The newer 7000 series also has x3d versions announced. Even more bonkers
This CPU has been on my wish list for a while, and you cant beat a real world test to confirm my thinking.
Really glad you made this video but wish it included the same info for RF2. Can't really find any benchmarks for RF2 with that CPU
For me I get 20% to 30% better performance than in ACC with similar settings. Hope that helps.
@@racingrasta7437 thanks but that info was already provided in the video
RF2. +- 40% gain over a 5600x in VR. Do not tested in 2d screens.
YES very cool i am running the 5600x / 3080 . i have bin thinking of the 5800x3d for so long, this is what i wanted to hear. Awesome thank you my lg oled cx and pimax 8kx need this. I might not need a 4090 right away lol.
I also just switched to this along with a 4090. Loving it.
Never heard iracing mentioned. Would like to hear them results
Last year I had a setup similar to yours, 3080ti paired with a 5600X.
And I went for a 5800X3D, not for really objective reasons (though some benchmarks looked promising) but - not gonna lie - I _wanted_ it. And I was aiming at that little extra bit of headroom, everybody playing ACC in VR like me knows that itch.
I was reluctant to tell my friends about it, 'cause expected everybody to laugh at me, as the 5600X was known as *THE* gaming beast, and nobody, including me, was expecting huge gains from a same generations's CPU with _just_ 2 cores more, lower clock speeds and some fancy cache thingy. Well, little did I know. 🙂
And I still keep that smile on my face, having seen the latest Gamers Nexus's benchmarks with the Ryzen 7000 CPUs on DDR5 memory struggling to gain significant advantages (if not even falling behind) the 5800X3D in gaming.
Speaking of ACC in VR and performance gains beyond expectations: For christmas I burned some money and surprised myself with a 4080. I cranked the Quest 2 refresh rate from 72 to 90 Hz, upped the rendering resolution, and with the current settings way beyond those the 3080ti was roaring hot at 114% power limit (~400W), the 4080 takes some 270W and doesn't get hotter than 60°C. This thing is ridiculous!
Well the 7xxxX3D just got announced yesterday, so curious to see what they are going to do.
You need AM5 socket for them and I imagine they will cost 100-200 more than the 5800X3D - But sure If building a new system they would probably be a good thing to go for.
@@GamerMuscleVideos Yea still rocking i7 4770k and GTX1080. So in need of a new system. Might try it with the 1080 first. The old cpu is holding it back. The X3D chips are pretty insane!
@@LikeABawzs probably worth waiting 2months see what all the new chips offer then make a decision from that.
Just ordered a 7800x3D so this has me excited ! Great video
I’m on a Ryzen 5 5600X and contemplated this purchase but held off because its not worth the upgrade (in my case) but the processor is insaaaane for the price.
ESPECIALLY if you’re upgrading from a Ryzen 3rd Gen 3XXX processors (literally a drop in upgrade!)
i r confused.. r u saying 3xxx cpu r better or something?
@@bobbaganush17 No. I meant that you notice a huge performance difference jumping from a 3xxx processor vs a 5600x to the 5800x3D
@@vrdrifters8237 not if ur rocking 3900x. Yes there would be an improvement but not worth the $350. The 12 core and beyond already have an improved cache compared to the rest non 3d cpus
I have been considering getting one myself. Currently have a 3700x which is great, but I think it may really help with VR performance, and I wouldn't have to upgrade my mobo either. So, anyone want to buy a 3700x?😃
I have upgraded from 3700x to this one, couldn't believe the performance boost in VR, even in Raceroom. Well worth it.
Here because I'm on a 3700x with a 3080 12gb. I've had a 5800x3d in the box since Black Friday and finally set up my racing rig along with the headset. Just tried one game of Project Cars 2 and came to find some specific info. Been waiting to see what the 7800x3d could be. But, since I can just drop this in, guess I know what I am doing tomorrow!
Hi, Great video! What was the performance difference in Flight Simulator?
i really really need to see that live stream
there arent many simracing benchmarks on youtube
I agree it would be nice to have a dedicate dbenchmark channel that focuses on VR and sims rather than the arcade / console stuff that runs at 700fps lol.
in this case wasn't really proper bench marking just shoved new CPU in the PC and played the games I normally play and updating the bios , the old chips is going in one of my older AM4 systmes :)
@@GamerMuscleVideos EXACTLY
ive seen comments complaining about how unnecessary powerful the 4090 is for gaming on a 4k monitor.. as if VR doesnt require that kind of GPU
what bothers me is the amount of channels benchmarking the latest NFS game (mobile like game imo) yet never test any simracing game
i might save up for 4070ti so i can run AMS2 on my quest 2, but i dont know how well that will perform.. the closest thing i could find for simracing is your live stream with a 3080ti
Awesome video, thanks. I have a 5600x right now so I'm definitely going to look into this. Did you notice it making a big difference on iRacing too?
Also what about Dirt Rally 2.0? That one gives me the most trouble with frame rate; I have to turn down quite a few settings (in VR).
All the review videos I've seen show the 5800X3D absolutely destroys racing and flight simulators even more than other types of games, so we are the lucky ones. Until the just-announced 7900X3D comes along and makes us all cry for not waiting.
My old i5-7600K suddenly went unresponsive so after a couple days trying to figure it out I just said forget it and used it as an excuse to head to Micro Center and pick up 5800X3D and ROG Strix AM4 motherboard. Everyone says it's far less value if you have to pick up a dying socket standard but I needed to reuse DDR4 RAM and I'll have to buy a new motherboard anyway when DDR5+AM5 gets cheap enough.
Currently on a Ryzen 5 3600, this video is making me more tempted than I should... But it's probably not really aimed at my use case, got a fairly budget setup with a 1660 Super GPU, I would guess the graphics card is a bigger bottleneck. Doing 1440p single screen.
TH-cam, the place to be tempted daily to spend non sensible money on toys!
Yah GPU is probably a much more sensible upgrade for you , this CPU upgrade probably makes sense for people on like a 2070 or better GPU that don't want to spend tons on new GPU but want a uplift for those random situations that slow down in Sims lot due to CPU load.
The cache makes a huge difference, and the new round-up of AMD CPU's coming out will also have cache. Intel will be in trouble!
something is weird with your fps numbers, for example i run 5950x+rtx 3090 at 11520x2160 resolution (triple 4k), acc with 29ai at nurburgring at pretty much max graphical details + dlss at balanced i get 50-60fps but im completely gpu limited in that case, gpu utilization doesnt drop bellow 98%. In theory 5950x in racing sims should be relatively close to 5600x because how singlethreaded most of them are. Next raceroom racing experience, in paul ricard ~35-42 ai count (cant remember exact number) with max settings i get 70-90fps and 100% gpu limited, only if i set nordschleife with 100 ai count in RRE then i can get to 50-60fps while driving through pitlane full of cars while being cpu limited.
Now someone might say "but you are testing very different config and arguably with different cpu". Okay fair enough, lets take a look at Dan Suzuki 5600x benchmark video, at 1080p in acc he gets ~170fps, while i dont really know his testing methodology im sure he didnt test practice session while measuring cpu performance, he knows better than that. So GM's 5600x 50-60fps in acc seems abnormally low. Now GM didnt specify but does he stream on same pc? thats the only explanation i could give for such low performance
As I said in the video it wasn't really a proper benchmark it was just an example case , I was streaming at the same time from same PC on OBS + had tons of AI Basically all worse case for CPU usage and on the old CPU I think the mobo's old BIOS had some issues where as new BIOS I installed seems to be more stable.
High rez is going to be almost totally down to GPU but id still imagine a cpu with lots of L1L2L3 will have better frame times / higher 0.01 or even 0.001% frame rates , also for cases where you have heavy mods in AC or a ton of cars in ACC or used in XP11 MSFS it could help lots, even if the average FPS ends up being similar.
the extra cache ignores gpu bottlenecks so you could pair it with 1060 and still get a performance boost I think
@@GamerMuscleVideos ahh if you streamed on the same pc then that explains the situation more or less. Yeah cpu cache makes big difference in many sims and 5800x3d is definitely worth an upgrade 👍
@@adammodan8030 thats not how computers work unfortunately, if gpu is giving everything it has it cannot render more frames even if cpu theoretically could. So for example if you see consistent 95-100% gpu utilization as long as you will have that specific gpu you will not gain more frames. Cpu cannot ignore gpu performance limitations, in the end, cpu "only" prepares all the required data and software logic - so gpu can draw them, if gpu cannot draw more frames it will not draw more, regardless how fast your cpu is :)
@@h1tzzYT i dont think so with this cpu, normally a 5600x is not a big bottleneck to 3080ti, look at benchmarks of when the 5800x3d came out
Do you even motion man! Come on join the club already! J/K, great video if I didn't have a 3900x I'd upgrade immediately.
Nice PC talk, and bloody WOW! FPS boost.
I never looked at this CPU because although its faster in essence it would have been a down grade to my 5900x . I'm sure your a 1440p guy, but if you gamed at 4K you remove any bottle neck issues. Saying that streaming at 4K is a heavy toll, and I understand why people go for lower resolutions with bandwidth and encoding.
I'm actually looking forward to what the 7900X3D or 7950X3D can bring, do I really need to update to AM5, probably not. But considering I'm not entertaining the price of a 4090 atm, I may as well update the PC instead, especially with the performance upgrade that you got.
And today AMD announced 7000 series X3D processors too. Might be a THE option if buying from new or if your already have like a 7600x
Already have a 5950x ... But the 4090 really pushed my vr experience 200%
Lol... I remember what it was like getting my voodoo 2 ...
The 5800X3D is better for this purpose. But not worth swapping a 5950x out for.
@@Hellknight27 Yeah I have 4090/5900x and also not swapping. I think it depends also a lot on resolution, im suprised GM is getting such an uplift at 4K though from 5600x which is not thatuch slower than 5900x.
@@employeeofthemonth1 That 3D cache is the reason. I saw similar uplift at 4k and in VR. Albeit coming from a 2700x. And usually that is fine for 4k, being you're usually GPU bound.
@@Hellknight27 5900x with PBO and Curve optimizer is faster than than 5800x3d bcs is boosting much higher around 5.0ghz on single core. GM is getting those insane differences bcs is using obs on 6 core cpu and with the 5800x3d he get another 2 cores
Kinda wished i got the 3D version :(
Choose non 3D version like 6 months ago, as a replacement for my Ryzen 5 2600, and because the 3D was still almost € 200,- more expensive at that time(compared to the regular 5800X), only for the 3D version of this chip to drop in price big time like a month later, making it the better choice.
FML
Great AM4 CPU for VR sim racing
Oh great, now I am going to have to do some research. Got a 5800x atm. Thanks bud.
I don't think it's going to be a huge difference over 5800x bar some super specific situations, especially if your playing newer stuff and at larger resolutions.
But yah a big difference if on older chips
@@GamerMuscleVideos thanks for the reply. I had a quick look and it gives a bigger jump than i would have expected. I won't upgrade but the increase was unexpected.
I have a 5700x3d do you think this would upgrade? I’m struggling hard to get over 45 fps with the rain update. Don’t have the money for a new AM5 platform yet
Very helpful! Thank you!!
I'm also on 5600x now with 3600mhz ram. Thinking about upgrading to that CPU. Was the xmp profile turned on before your upgrade? Still can't believe that huge performance boost.
Is this a good buy in 2024 with a 7800xt for simracing? I'm upgrading from a 2060 super an i5 8600k. It's cheaper going this way rather than tge am5 7800x3d. I know am4 is a dead end, but this upgrade will last me 5 years
Sounds good, do you think it will run well with a 6900xt to do ACC 1440p triple screen? I´m on a 21:9 single screen but I think I wanna upgrade this year.
My 10700k running lovely with my 4090
Did u also test that beast MS FlightSim 2020 with this CPU?
I have pretty much the same setup 5600 AND 6950XT 4K with 15 CARS over 200fps I don't think you know what you're doing.
What about vs a i7 8700k? General benchmarks sites say its not better, but it sounds goood
I have a 5600x also so just found my next upgrade.
Damn. I need one. My 3600 can't handle my 3090 at al. 18 cars in ac triple screen 1440p gpu goes below 50% 😓 everything on ultra.
I switched my i7 10700 against a i5 13600 and got what Userbenchmark prediced: About 25% increase in Performance. Userbenchmark also showed that no Ryzen-CPU can compete against Intel with their benchmark-test.
User bench mark are known to be anti AMD in what ever product they produce .
That’s a lie
@@1970cgb Possible and I'm not judging the Ryzen based on Userbenchmark, but the 13th series took back the crown in real tests afaik and buying a new Ryzen while better Ryzens announced yesterday and coming next month doesn't sound smart. If you can't wait till February, Intel provides the better performance till then.
@@1970cgb According to Gamers Nexus the i5 13600k is still the best bang for the buck compare to the new AMD-CPUs. The 5800X3D falls behind in almost every aspect similar to UserBenchmark...
I just upgraded from 5600x to 5800x3d for playing in VR. This is absolutely bonkers.
Great! I am switching from 5600x to 5800x3D soon. What is your GPU and VR set? How much uplift did you get? Appreciate your comment.
Sorry if I missed you saying this, but what gpu and ram did you you pair with this cpu?
I have a 3080ti and 32GB DDR4-RAM 3600 MHz in that system
Did you test with Triple screen setup? Dan Suzuki recently found out that the 5800x3d is exactly same performance = 5600x/5800x in triple screen. So 5800x3d upgrade is not required for 1440p/4k x 3 users.
Kindly confirm your triple screen findings....
Thanks.
Just look at benchmarks tech sites have done , the higher the resolution the more its going to be about GPU I'd still imagine the X3d chips will help with frame timing / 0.01% low FPS and with single core games or situations that can tank frame rate due to cpu load ( AI , Custom physics , Flight sims )
The system I upgraded this CPU with is not set up for bench marking as I say in the video I think I was also having some issues with my old BIOS before it was upgraded.
All said the 5800x3D is going to be the best AM4 chip for games with anything better requiring a mobo swap.
I don't run my screens at 3X4k when I use triple screen as 7680x1440 is the max they can do whilst using Gsync and all three HDMI ports on my GPU.
More pixels shifts the balance to GPU, so the CPU impact would be minimal if they are only hitting 50-60% no matter which CPU is being used. However the 5800x3d has proven to edge out the other AM4 CPUs for pure game performance. My own upgrade was only from a 3700X to 5800X3D so I can't give the comparison you'd want. It did, however, make a difference even driving a 5700XT (I'm on a 6900XT now) which was unexpected. I don't believe in magic but something about the X3D did something to help my overburdened 5700XT. Back to my 6900XT: With triple screens I have GPU maxed, but not CPU. No overclocking. I wish I'd tried the 6900XT with my 3700X CPU but it isn't worth it to me to pull my rig apart for that :)
Also, that is my impressions accross everything from Cyberpunk, Witcher 3 (before the nextgen upgrade), AC, ACC, ATS/ETS2, Wreckfest, Forza 5 H, and Dirt 2. I don't race in multiplayer right now.
So if I upgrade to 7 5800x3d and a 3080 ti gpu would this be a good combo to both run iracing and stream comfortably?
If you're already on AM4, can you do a straight swap, without reinstalling everything?
you may need to update the bios to support the 5800x3d (and thus, any settings you use in the bios will need to be redone), but other than that you will not have to reinstall windows or anything.
Yah that's part of the point of this video and big value of these chips.
You need to double check your specifc motherboard and you might need to update your bios for it to work or work as best possible but that's really simple.
I updated my bios when swapping out my old chip for this new one.
So really it's a 1hour or so job for most people to install new bios , then physically swap over CPU.
update bios before upgrading cpu
No iRacing comparison from the 5600x?
I have the RX 5700xt, would I have any gain going from a 5600x to a 5800x3d?
Just bought the 5700x3d for £135 new. Absolutely ridiculous 😂
What motherboard should i take i have 5800x3d and 6700xt
Quite a controversial subject, this. At high res (triples or VR) I see everything from claims of remarkable improvements to some underwhelmed impressions that maybe it stutters a bit less. Either way, at £300-350 I'm going to hold off. Hopefully they'll hit ebay soon, as people start upgrading to the 7xxx3D chips.
At higher resolutions the bottleneck will be in the GPU not the CPU.
Proceccors with higher amounts of L1/2/3 cash should really help reduce the 0.01% and 0.001% frame lows though.
It's like just having a better lubricated system 😆.
I think there are just very specific situations and some specific games where you can see big gains due to where things might have been bottle necked on a system and other games it won't make that much of a difference.
300-350 is still lots of money for sure , but at the same time it's a great update for people on AM4 that don't want to go 4090 or don't want a full rebuild yet but want to have there system be as good as it can be for still a reasonably good value option.
Also swapping a CPU is not a huge amount of work or time so that's also appealing , where as full PC re-build can take 3-8 hours and be a bit of a pain at times.
Hi sir planning to build a new system does r7 5800x3d still a good option or should go with an i5 13600k/ i7 13700k my current specs is r5 2400g gtx 1660 b450ms2h
How i7-13700KF would go with this one ?
Do you think the 58003d CPU will bring more Power to AC in VR although the GPU is naturally the bottleneck?
Right now i have a 3080 with 5600x
yes, watch the vid, it is a no brainer upgrade for big fps boost.
No, the video wasn't useful for me (being I already have it as we discussed during the stream). More insomnia streams though please 🙂
your are using what gpu?
I'm running a 3060 ti. Would this processor still improve my performance that massively? Maybe if I had a better GPU.
Yes! I have a 2070 Super, which is slower than your GPU, and when I put this CPU, I had massive improvement.
Temp wise how is it?
So are Ryzen better CPU's for AC? A few years back I asked that question over at RD and was told quite convincingly that for single thread performance Intel was better. I rushed out and bought the nearest i5 to me. If Ryzen is better though I'll jump ship once more...
This is the best option if you already have an Socket AM4 amd motherboard that will take the cpu. Intels' latest 13xxx series cpus can be faster in some titles.
If you are considering switching from an Intel system to an AMD 5800x3D based one, then hold off for a month or two and see how the newly announced Ryzen 7800x3D, 7900x3D & 7950x3D cpus' compare to Intels, as all will require a new motherboard and potentially DDR5 ram too.
Intel right now and last few years I think has been better for games at the high end / when not looking for raw value for money.
AMD over last few years have been producing the best value for money chips that still perform great mid and high end but I think that might have changed last and this year for some specific system builds.
Basically if you are building a full PC its always worth double checking what you can get for you money taking into consideration the MOBO prices , the cpu prices and also how likely you are to want to upgrade and when you are likely to upgrade ( AMD typically keep the same socket type for longer than intel so potentially you could upgrade without a new mobo less often than when you have intel chips)
I think outside of productivity tasks both intel and amd are relatively matched at the moment / there is not a totally insane stand out chip from ether company , might be wrong though so double check obvously these things are constantly changing.
If you're building a new gaming PC on a budget, this is the best bang for buck if you're not concerned with upgrading the CPU again. Sits around the top of the charts for most games and is a powerhouse in VR and sims as James said. The just announced (yesterday) X3D 7000 series AMD chips destroy Intel's upcoming parts (according to a reliable industry leaker). So I'd also be leaning that way if you want the absolute best.
But what gpu are u using here what were u using before
No iracing can u try irwcing for me and let me know if u saw a difference
3Dfxlove yeah!
How is comparing a regular 5800x ?
a lot of ppl say the 5800x is not worth upgrade to x3d, but if you are suffering from stuttering then do upgrade
Im using a Ryzen 5 5600x and a Asus 3050 gpu 32gb ram on a b450 motherboard.
I play dcs and iracing both in VR using the Oculus rift s and my graphics and performance is poor to say the least so would this Ryzen 7 fix my problem of poor graphics and performance? ✊✌🏼💙
Its more likely to be your GPU to be honest , the CPU in this video alone wont really do that much for you.
If you're planning on upgrading, you might as well wait for ryzen 9 3d
Well no because then you need a whole new Mobo have to rebuild PC and specifically for gaming at high end with no budet in mind intel might be better option.
The reason this chip is good is that it fits in AM4 which tons of people have and is quite cheap due to it not being brand new.