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Launch of The Gender Critical Research Network
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มิ.ย. 2021
- Prof Jo Phoenix, Prof Rosa Freedman, Dr Jon Pike and Dr Laura McGrath talk about what the term ‘gender critical’ means to them, why they are interested in this network and the benefits of multi-disciplinary research in this area’.
Twitter - @OU_GCN
Webpage - healthwellbeing.kmi.open.ac.u...
Greetings from New Zealand. I hope this holds up longterm. Discussion shouldn't be met with so much backlash.
hey look, it already collapsed. You're in a hate cult.
I am a woman. I do not need also to identify as one. Thank goodness the OU are giving this group space.
Lmao shut up
Glad to see multi-disciplinary research in this area
Wow! An internationally recognised academic institution walking into the most polarising conflagration (affecting primarily well developed liberal democracies). The OU must have already armed itself to the teeth with a battalion of legal advocates - let battle commence!🤺
Gender theory was established in the academe, therefore a university doesn't need to walk anywhere or into anything to pursue it further, being the self-evident medium for such intellectual quests. The "polarising conflagration" (oh, the charm of the keyboard dance!) exists only in the minds of illiberal troublemakers, eager to turn the West into the backyard of the Kremlin.
@@offbeat65 I like your style!
I don't like your substance.
Thank you for this. One suggestion I have is that you need a neurobiologist on the team. Exploring what dispositions are innate, is there a male and female brain and is "gender identity" a thing and if so is it innate and can the brain areas the cause it not merely correlate it be identified. I'm thinking in terms of applying the null hypothesis to innate "gender identity" claims by those who appeal to neurobiology to support their position.
Agreed! My husband is a Neurologist who says there is no such thing as a "gendered brain". We are not in the UK however and he is no longer a professor but in private practice.
I’ve met so many people who insist that trans identity is proven, that trans people have the brain they identify with.. all because they read an article that implies support for their beliefs rather than any real evidence
Quick question... why do you care how people identify if they are not you
It's all about the actions you take -- do you:
-- verbally assault those who don't use your non-biology-based preferred pronouns while claiming victim good status;
-- enter spaces reserved for opposite sex ppl, whether restrooms, domestic violence shelters, or prisons;
-- support male-bodied ppl taking positions reserved for female-bodied ppl on sports teams and at awards ceremonies;
@@courtney5581 Because they demand that I identify myself on their terms and "affirm" their identity. I have never asked anyone to think about themselves on my terms, nor have I ever demanded someone affirm me. I refuse to comply.
Prof Jo Phoenix has had to resign from the OU because she was hounded out by students and staff for having these conversations. Absolutely disgusted that the OU failed to protect her.
This is so sad. They get her fired just for discussing the topic. They should realize not everyone agrees but they're not being hateful
Gutted was just going to contact her about my PhD proposal on self identified women in women's prisons! Mainstream Universities have say they won't touch it! Was hoping the OU might be diff
She's now at the university of reading
She deserved it because this is an inherently hostile project to trans rights.
Gender critical is an anti civil rights poliitical movement
It is good to see the development of this group in academia. The usual critics on Reddit and elsewhere are already at work expressing their outrage.
Thank you for intelligent discussion on this subject.
Thank you for making this
"I'll say what gender-critical means TO ME". Well, if this is not a solid-grounded statement.
Wow! This was much needed.
At last, thank God! Well done OU, now continue to be brave.
Outstanding!!! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Thank you, OU!
Amy Ashlyn keeps declaring that identity can't be debated, then deleting the entire debate. 😂 EVERYTHING can be debated. I have had reasoned, civil debates with breatharians on the subject of whether human beings need food to survive. Refusing to permit debate because it's "not debatable" is just a public announcement of an inability to tolerate a reasoned, civil debate. Not a winning strategy! Just makes the debate-eliminators look silly.
Excellent discussion, thanks.
Hello, thanks for this discussion. Just a word to the wise: Simone de Beauvoir is normally viewed as a progenitor of gender analysis. Second Sex, published in 1945, long before John Money's work at Johns Hopkins Univ.
Thank you for this talk. Incredibly important.🖖🏽💖
Will students now call for a boycott of the OU or any of its academic materials?
Just the opposite- now proud to be a student !
I'm an OU student and this makes me happy the university I study with supports freedom of speech.
I think this is GC research network is a great idea.
I just stumbled upon this. Wow. nearly a year ago!
I’ve only just found out you exist. Thank you 🙏
Delighted to have talks like this. Thanks
Being critical of the gender movement is so important, It feels like we’ve gone back a step - thinking that if you like wearing dresses as a man you must be female and so get surgery. Sex is innate, gender is not, it’s a social construct and the root cause of gender dysphoria. We can dress/act/talk/present however we want, but we will always be male/female - and that has real biological differences. So sport, prisons, private spaces etc. Should be kept sex separate!
people like you make me sick. So ignorant about trans people, what they think, what they need. And yet so arrogantly confident that YOU have the answers.
We must bring heterodoxy back into academia.
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@@amyashlyn9293 If that's what you think "heterodoxy" means, then let me enlighten you. It means "deviation from accepted or orthodox standards or beliefs". To require adherence to accepted or orthodox standards or beliefs would be dogmatic and bigoted. Allowing heterodoxy is the antidote to dogma and bigotry.
@@omp199 Well then, thank you for pointing out my ignorant misunderstanding. Consequently, I spent a little time researching the meaning of the word. I shall withdraw my earlier comment.
@@amyashlyn9293 Oh. Okay. Thank you. And you're welcome.
I appreciate the conversations. I don't see why we are transforming the word gender to encompass all of our characteristics and personality traits. I think it's become an over-complication of the concept of gender that has become so loaded that people have become tribal, use it as a political weapon, or to get away with mal intentions. I like the direction we were taking in the 80s and 90s, when we preached a woman didn't have to exist in any box, and a man didn't have to exist in any box. Now people are using gender to create thousands of new boxes.
I have spent the last two months studying this issue in depth, because one of my sons is strongly in favor of the gender ideology - although, thank heavens, he doesn’t imagine himself to be a woman.
I have tried to understand and to be sympathetic to transgender people, but the illogical and contradictory statements of the gender ideologues has moved me to despair.
I think the gender ideology is a retrogressive movement which holds gender stereotypes as important.
Shame on the Open University for not defending Prof Jo Phoenix when she was bullied and harrassed by transactivists within the Open University.
Thought the OU banned critical engagement?
And yet one professor was hounded out of her job at the OU by both student protests and the lack of support from her colleagues or worse colleagues that were openly hostile to her because she believed in women's rights to safe places which is a fact, what's worse is this nonsense on gender is being absorbed by the students since there's no dissent allowed and are the next journalist, teachers and HR consultants etc.
Women have no shortage of safe space. Men on the other hand, are losing theirs.
This is just more feminist trash to attack men and deny the reality of female dominance and privilege over everyone else.
Time to unite against the fear and oppression.
Just saw that prof jo pheonix resigned. Open Uni failed.
So sad.
Please cure me lol
What about diabetes?
Clean water?
Look up The Rise of Transgender Medicine by Dr Quentin Van Meter; Schools & Children: Caught in the Transgender Industry's Web; and The Business Model of Youth Transitioning
Here you are, laughing at those that supposedly dont know what Gender is. Here you are, totally cluelesss. Have you ever gotten the spine to actually ask a Scientist or Biologist about Gender? Or did you just assume it's so simple that you dont have to learn anything (oh how convenient) despite LIBARYS being FILLED with the results of gender-studys cause it's all so complex, in fact. Ever tried to inform yourself? Maybe by watching 'Sex-and-Sensibility' by 'Forrest Valkai'?
Trans people literally just want to exist, stop debating whether they’re real please
Nope. You are about 30 years behind the curve. Yes, transsexual people exist. It's a real thing, an exceptionally rare birth defect that occurs some time during the sexual differentiation of the fetus during early gestation. The result is the birth of a child whose gross anatomy and chromosomes put them in one sex, but whose neurological "wiring" is for another sex. It's very rare, less than one in ten thousand births. These individuals will always be "mismatched", but counseling, surgery and hormonal treatment can reduce their discomfort and help them manage their condition.
This has NOTHING to do with high schools that are 10-40 percent "trans" (or more), because finding your gender identity has become a socially mandatory activity. NO ONE is purely feminine or masculine. Asking young people to fill out charts exploring how masculine or feminine they feel today is a way to enforce unnecessary and irrational gendering of universal human behavior. It induces gender dysphoria in the vast majority of people who try it.
Conflating sex with gender does universal harm. It hurts transsexual people, it hurts non-transexual people, it hurts everyone. I have not met a single person whose life has been objectively improved by the modern interpretation of gender theory. It's not a question of whether they're harmed, but how much.
I still support first wave transexual liberation. I hope we can save it from gender theory.
Thank you, Tom. This is the first reasonable non-judgemental compassionate comment I've read on this video. I'd like to give you a hug💗
@@mamadragonful I’m sure people said the same thing about sexuality when people were finally allowed to openly explore their sexuality
@@tomsheer4029 Nope. I was there. This is completely different.
@@mamadragonful Is what you are referring to in your 1st paragraph sometimes called "Intersex", the condition where primary sexual characteristics fail to develop before birth?
If so, intersex condition primarily affects boys who do not develop normal male genitalia and were too often brought up to be 'girls' because that was surgically easier in the past. But you are right to point out, that this condition is vanishingly rare thankfully, and can have little to do with the current 'fashion' for 'gender fluidity' that seems to be infecting the West, and only the West!
I'm shocked and alarmed that this group was allowed to be formed. We wouldn't allow a "race realist network" (I hope!) so why are we allowing this? As a trans person myself, I hear the dog-whistles loud and clear in their language and it is clear that they intend to influence law and policy with the research they conduct. If anyone not directly involved in the project is reading this, *please* cast a scrutinising eye on this because it is almost certainly an anti-trans group trying to go under the radar with euphemistic language.
Please enlist some trans people to help review it too because I think many of the euphemisms are clever enough to go completely under the radar unless you have an intimate familiarity with the topic.
Mate you're using the language of the cult, no one outside it is gonna take you seriously. Maybe just listen to the words they're saying, they mean what they say, not everyone uses obfuscating language like your lot do. Maybe their language is "clever" because they are in fact clever.
@@connie_d You uploaded a video called "peaking" and I'm the one using "the language of the cult"? For those that don't know, "peaking" is jargon which comes from "peak trans", the concept of "the straw that broke the camel's back" to turn someone transphobic.
Anyway, I don't mean to call their language clever in terms of "overly complicated" or anything like that -- I mean it is slyly crafted to avoid mentioning gender in contexts of a need for equality, and to refer to "men" and "women" in a way that means only cis men and women (intentionally excluding trans people from a conversation that is fundamentally designed around them), and to pit "women's rights" and "trans rights" against each other as if this is a natural thing to be concerned about rather than a fiction designed by Christian conservatives to peel at the onion of LGBT+ rights and propagated by "feminists" overwhelmingly from the UK who see no problem with disenfranchising minorities based on harmful stereotypes and baseless thought experiments.
@@scoreunder It is only a fiction if you believe it is possible to be born in the wrong body or to actually change sex though. Or that non-binary is even really a thing that makes sense. Or if you have a different idea other than everyone who says they are the opposite sex is the opposite sex without exception and regardless of circumstances which is my understanding of a gender self ID law. This is where the disagreement lies.
@@swivvle1185 Of course I believe it's possible. You read my first comment, I'm trans. There is nothing on this earth that could convince me that it's "not a real thing" because I've lived it first hand. You are free to disbelieve it but you would be going against the current scientific understanding in favour of your own ideology.
But even if it was impossible (and again, that isn't the case), that wouldn't have anything to do with the fact that the so-called "conflict" between women's rights and trans rights is a fiction. There are nuanced debates to be had on some issues, but framing it in terms of a moral panic, of "this minority isn't safe around our women!", is a blatant disregard for truth and a tried-and-true tactic for all different kinds of bigotry (especially racism and homophobia) and it is frustrating to see it tried again with the same success on trans people.
@@scoreunder enjoy your tin foil hat
Ty so much for this video, please try harder to be more radical in your"gender criticalness" trying to get off to your bigotry here.🤣🤣 Stop dancing around it ffs.