Yeah I think the 9 is a little too much. 8 strings already get in the way of the bass. That being said someone will come along and make one sound great! :)
Just to point it out to people, the deeper strings are NOT popular for melodic playing, they are popular for their percussive string attack, and are used in genres where the distortion settings are so that the deeper strings are huge percussive blasts of overtones. Harmony does not really register too well in those ranges and it's not supposed to either. The comments are criticizing it on the premise of being a guitar, but it's really made its name for being a drum with melodic elements.
For me personally, from 8 + strings it sounds like a weak bass guitar, but the 7 string guitar definitely grabbed my attention. As always good job Rob! Pd: this video needs more rabbits.
+Lawrence Rhodes Actually, a piano can have up to 236 strings as some note have 2 or even 3 strings per note! But I take you point. Where will the madness end?
What I'm wondering is why all the 60 year old blues players are on a video for ERGs. Every comment is either these guitars are for 15 year olds who listen to too much metal or my piano has more strings or why not use a bass. It's so easy to criticize music that you don't understand. Why not respect the people who come here because they're actually interested in the guitars instead of telling them their music is shit?
In my opinion, when you show these guitars that are primarily used for hardcore metal, it would be better to use an amp that compliments that style. Some combo marshall isn't going to inspire people about the guitar at all. It sounds terrible with the lower stings. If you're in a guitar store, isn't there better amps to use it on?
+FGFoxy I don't know what the tuning is called but I like playing songs meant for a six string on my 7 in GCGCFAD and just use the 7th for power chords. Adds a bit more girth to alot of songs
+Jorge Letria agreed. i like low tuned guitars, im a fan of djent bands like AAL and periphery, and ive wanted a 7 string for a long time......but even i feel 9 strings are too much!
Blake Chambers I know I’ve seen them. Their newest looks like a tele. But even though I like those guitars a lot and would pay a lot to get one, I like the look of his Ibanez one better
a few years ago I saw this video and thought: shit, that 9 string guitar sounds horrible. ironically now I have a hellraiser c9 and I am in love with it.
Everyone in the comment section seems to imply that nines are only used for distorted tones. You guys realize that there is more to music than metal, yes?
+Nik Szu yep. cycles within cycles.... forgotten then invented again. haha not in this database-driven world we now inhabit. 3000 years ago... yeah, I can see it.
+Jonathan Sefcik but... the low and high keys of a normal piano already sound unintelligible for the most part. I wonder why someone would want more notes that didn't ring clear? Maybe the maker of this new piano takes that into consideration and makes it sound more clear.
i got 7 string Ibanez for $199 (150 pounds) on amazon, plays better than any guitar ive ever had. Many guitar tabs i like to play require 7 string, like deathcore and such
TheMetalHeaD256 Event Horizon Productions Actually, theres a new "color" called Vantablack? Theyre calling it the darkest material in existence, even blacker than black itself.
7- string was a pleasant suprise to me. I love it! In fact, it only adds 5 more semi/half tones (in standard tuning), which is nothing special. :) the cooler thing is that you have notes from the lower frets from the 6th string just under (on the 7th string) its higher frets. Very cool for lead guitar and also for rhythm (albeit, for rhythm, it requires a longer reprogramming, IMO) 8 and 9- string guitars just don't add nothing I want for my original music so I can't comment about them. I love how Tosin Abasi uses his 8 string guitar though!
I like him as a musician (specially the one fret song and Ragtime) but I really don't like his signature guitar (I don't know if is the guitar or the tone he gets with it), it sounds very sloppy specially the low strings
I don't think the JVM was a good choice for an amp on this one. They have their strengths, but they just can't handle down-tuning very well. This would've been fairer through a Mesa Rectifier, a Peavey 6505, or one of the new Randalls, just to name a few.
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***** do you even Sarcasm? Clearly not, eh. 9 strings imo is a gimmick, it's the same as saying how many pedals are required to be awesome. Because, as we all know, talent flows from the individual through the instrument, not the other way around.
yep, that cover "band" that I've played in was technically called an Orchestra. So, when I was playing the Violin we didn't need any effects...it was all in the hand. We managed to get along, somehow.
i feel like 8 and 9 string is for the bands that just think that lower = heavier. so they just get more low strings and think it`s good shit, still sounds like farts, personally, 7 strings are a maximum
While that's often true of a lot of bands who just use it as a gimmick, it's a real shame people lump the entire extended range crowd together with those bell-ends. I think there's a lot of experimentation, diversification of genres and general brilliance coming out of the movement that you might just miss if you blink.
yeah I personally dont go lower than B on any guitar, BUT to be honest Animals as leaders tune their 8 string to E, and Glass Cloud mostly plays in F, D and even a low A of the guitarist 9 string and it doesnt seem to muddy. I think the style of playing is important. If you tune that low you cant use chords anymore with the low string, its more percussive bass style with the low strings
I mean just tune lile drop c. Its more than enough. Then actually play something that sounds heavy. Taylor Swift doesnt sound heavy even if you play it in like drop Bb
I'm probably going to get crap from people about this, but I just don't see the point of 8 and 9 strings. I can see the purpose of 7 strings, though. If you want a more massive, beastly sound. But to me 8 and 9 strings are so overrated because it seems like EVERY modern metal band HAS to have guitars that have more than 6 strings, tune them ridiculously low, have EMG pickups, and do nothing but chug.(Unless if your Tosin Abasi)
I definitely feel like 8 stringers and below are muddy as fuck and completely lack any sort of punch without compressing the dog shit out of it when used for metal. Tosin has some of the best examples of cleaner pieces using 8 string guitars though. They're just not for me when it comes to metal.
Haha, that seems to be the case with some people. They forget why we made fun of Korn and Limp Biskit. They used 7 strings and shit as a gimick (and maybe because they're not sure how to tune their own instruments). The same thing is happening with 8 strings and up now. People are confusing pitch with musicianship.
OK - lots of fair criticism about Rob & I not really being 8 or 9 string players, so to balance things up, go & watch this guy doing something beautiful on an 8 string Schecter - Anchor (8 string song) - Rob Scallon
Years late here, but I know some country guys that play 7 strings because it allows them to play in the baritone guitar register as needed by certain country tunes, and also solo up in normal 6 string register without the draw backs of crazy long baritone scale length or a wound 3rd string! Pretty neat!
What I meant by my opening statement, is that as long as there is a bassist, there is no need to really add these lower strings. (7 string is an exception)
We have bassists for a reason. Yes that's true! But that's only because the Luthiers shorted us on the string count to our guitars. This isn't such a bad thing if we're playing in a band. But what if you're soloing all by your lonesome self? Not such a good thing! This is why guitarists take an interest in additional strings.
Rob is a good player but even he would say that he's the wrong guy to demo a 9 string. They were right when they said that a 9 string is a completely different instrument. It works well if it is played more like a piano utilizing a two hand tapping sort of style. Its not meant to be played like a standard 6 string.
I got 8 strings guitars for years now it does feel like a new type of instrument. I then got that exact 9 strings over a year ago and felt the same again. I then got a 10 strings fanfreted 3 months ago which feel a bit more like a big 9 than a new instrument type. I get it that most players think that 6 strings is enough, but in my case, I barely stop playing guitars with less than 9 strings but I certainly play different things since then. I still go back to 8 when I want to play more traditional stuff. I sold pretty much all my 6. So extended range is different, unnecessary, but really inspiring in a totally different way. And if you are playing solo guitar (or just playing by yourself) it is just great since you can now get a much richer sound. For the records, I play more jazzy clean tone stuff with lots of tapping.
I play 6, 7, and 8 and personally I find that my 8 is more like a 6 string. Not in feel obviously but more in terms of how I get around it. I've yet to play a 9 but I imagine it would seem more like a 7. That's just my opinion though. It probably helps that I have massive gorilla hands that i can still get my thumb around an 8 with.
I wish they would play with the gear that these guitars are intended to be played with..or got someone that played the kind of music these are intended to be played with.
People saying just get a bassist, watch andrew baena’s comparison series between extended range guitars vs baritones/basses. The tones you get out if the instruments are completely different. Even when tuned that low, the guitar abd bass fill completely different roles
I use my 8 string as a way to thicken up barre chords. EBEADGBe is the way to go. It's a good way to extend the range of the guitars in your band without it being over the top. The B allows you to hit the lower range of notes without issue and the low E is used to thicken up chords. Bass player is still required.
+InputSilver9 Not at all. I use it on three of my bands songs. We play in standard and it's nice to be able to give a lower feel to certain songs when it's needed. It beats having all the string players carry around different guitars for each tuning we'd use.
Personally, the 8 & 9 string guitars sound like a muddled mess when doing the power chords. I wonder how these guitars sound on a clean channel with someone doing a bit of finger-picking style.
You aren't even supposed to do power chords when it goes that low, the sound of a single 8th or 9th string is heavy enough. Listen to Meshuggah, they barely use power chords in their modern works and still sounds heavy as fuck.
So if someone here is wonderin why the fuck would anyone need 8 or 9 strings on his guitar, go check out Mike Le Rosetti's djent jazz funk yeah of course it sounds crappy if ya play blues on it... one thing is clear, you have to be a fuckin genius to use all these possibilities 9 strings give u
Being a fan of Slipknot and Lamb of God's newer stuff, I'm a fan of a heavy sort of chugging sound. I don't mind 7 strings too much, but more than 7 is just stupid. Honestly, just get a baritone 6 string and put some heavy strings on it.
+John Moore It's not stupid, go listen to Animals as Leaders and see what you can do with an 8. Just because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean it is silly, I love bands like Meshuggah etc. who use 8 strings.
+Chris Warrick B standard is nothing. Bro im talking about if you play drop A on a 6 string, you simply dont have enough high notes anymore... theres no point to playing drop A on a six string.
+chazzy licks 7's are definitely as far as I go. I love the extra lower range, but it's not for a chuggy sound. I use it for chords and harmonics. It gets annoying sometimes though, having to mute that extra string and not really being able to fret with the thumb too well, but it works in certain situations.
turning down the 7th string in the 7-string sounds real good. huge range increase. the 8 and 9 string appears to essentially give you the ability to play a 2 or 3 string bass at the same time while you're playing a 6 string. :) I don't think I really care for the 9th string. as I agree with what some have described as it sounds like a fart machine.. very slow response.. definitely like the 7 and possibly the 8 string versions though.. as they seem more like you're gaining options, whereas the 9 string seems like you're trying to meld two different guitars into one.
In my opinion Rob. On the Eight and Nine string Guitars, the bottom G string of the Bass Guitar IS used as the main concept for both the eighth and ninth string(s) of both Guitars seeing how thick they get for that needed LOWER sounding tone. But again, this is just my opinion about the idea on how both of these Guitars were made and the popularity of their use in bands like Meshuggah and Animals as Leaders.
On either of these [8 & 9 strings] guitars I suppose it wouldn't be impossible to fit lighter gauge strings, say for example, 58s to 9s - maybe even 8s, I guess it'll be much clearer throughout rather than the horrible muddy sound they let out. The only issue will probably by the nut slots. I'd quite like to Rob and Lee experiment with this and see if it'll work.
Jackal Fox Since they use longer scale lengths, it would indeed make sense to use lighter strings. However, if you drop-tune, I'd recommend stringing the lower strings with shortscale bass strings, as those are denser per gauge than guitar or bass strings. The stock strings they load on these guitars are really not ideal.
Rob, you're an amazing player and I wish I could be as good as you some day... But... 17:23 onwards, not even your magic hands could make a 9 string sound good. :(
It has to do with the Pickups and the Amp . EMGs sound good down to A , but Lower , nah . Marshalls sound shitty anyways . I've seen some nice 9string Riffage , for example a dude called Shane Caskey who plays all 9 strings , not just the C# :D
You can't really cut the guitar because Rob himself admitted that he basically has no idea how to play it (not in those exact words, of course). The best way to describe that thing really is just a completely different instrument. Plus, because the damn thing hits so low, you really need some extremely high quality, and stupid expensive gear to make it sound good. I have to say though, I love Schecter and adore my EMG-loaded Omen 7, but a 9 string? Its impressive, its cool to look at, and I'm sure it'd be, let's just say "interesting" to play, but I think an 8 string would be the highest I'd go.
This virus situation really gives you chance to 'reflect' or go for 'return from future' assessments. First off, my early guitar escapades revolved around choice between 6 or 4 strings. (Lead/Rhythm or Bass.) - Yeah, long, long time ago. - With the advent of 7-8-9 stringers, you do have to go through a learning curve but, it's a bit like not having to decide on a role. In a way, you're combining skills into what is a distinct new role. Now, you play guitars that fit specific styles. - Personally, it's a challenge that's welcome, & rewarding too, in the long run. - Next challenge? Fan-frets! Bring 'em!
7 strings have their use. For starters it puts the according scale on the A-D-G-B-E strings directly below the root note on your first A string (tuning A-E-A-D-G-B-E). That actually makes it very fun to play and it still feels true to the playing style of a 6 string. Completely agree with the Cap on 7+ strings feeling like a different instrument (and it doesn't agree with me either). But yeh, Animals as Leaders pretty much proves that it can be a great instrument.
I have nothing against extra strings. If people want more strings, why shouldn't they use them? I don't think the music you make has anything to do with how many strings your guitar has. While I don't really like the genres where these guitars are being used, I don't really have anything against them. What does the amount of strings have to do with the quality of the music? But if the selling point of your band is the amount of strings you are using, that's just stupid. But when you are listening to an album, you don't hear how many strings the guitarist is using. And even if you do, again what does that have to do with the quality of the music? If you don't like low sounds, that's OK. But these guitaris can be used for more than just low playing. You can play new kind of chord voicings with them. They have a great range. Just experiment. And how does it hurt anybody if they are selling 9 string guitars? It takes nothing away from the 6 string guitars.
Agreed. The Chord voicings are a great benefit to more strings. Personally I see huge potential for jazz and blues. Look at guitar players like Lenny Breau or George Van Epps, two absolute behemoth guitar players ... both on 7 strings most of the time.
i totally agree, but the fact is that an 8, or worse a 9, string guitar covers most of the spectrum frequencies. Imagine what a mess would be recording a song or just a concert: the guitar would blow away the bass and partially the drums, plus the sound is awful when playing the lower strings. As an example listen to some songs of meshuggah: apart from liking or not the genre, the bass is useless and from the drums you can hear just the snare, kick and cymbals. everything else is covered by guitars (8 strings). said from a guitarist, having an 8 or 9 strings guitar is just pure ego.
combinbain Well, that's just one way of using it. A 9 string guitar doesn't replace a bass. It's not all about the range, it's about the sound. You could also argue that a keyboard player could also replace the bass. But most bands with keyboardists also have bassists and guitarists - so they are playing the same frequencies but the sound is different and that makes it work. It's a new instrument and needs to be experimented with. Djent is just one style that you can play on it (and you don't even need 9 strings for that - you can always drop tune your 6 string if you need low notes). Check out Rob Scallon. He has done some more original sounding stuff on 8 and 9 string guitars. Extended range guitars would also work well as solo instruments, just like piano. It's basically a piano that is played like a guitar (if we look at the range). People need to experiment and not just follow the trends. I'm sure you could be really innovative with the 9 string guitar.
combinbain Ah yes I do see your argument. In fact I agree that with accompanying musicians 8 and 9 string guitars can be way overkill. I was thinking more in terns of MaggaraMarine's argument for solo performances -- think of Ted Greene with a 9 string. (he would probably argue away from even using such a thing). haha
I like it. I prefer my 6-string tuned in C#, but I often use 7-string sets "discarding" the highest string and then tuning it up one step. I'm new to these guys but I like 'em; good players, decent videos.
i guess im the only one who fucking loves the sound of these guitars. its just something about the heavy deep sound that can so easily turn into a lighter or higher note and then back down again that i love.
9 string is way to muddy, can barely hear whats coming out, i think 6 is enough for me, wouldnt mind having a 7, but ive played 8 and its way to uncomfortable and i couldnt imagine how 9 would feel
My Signature from Chapman would be a 7-String with a locking trem, as well as an HSH (Seymour Duncan Invaders in the Neck and Bridge, and Sustainiac in the middle)
FYI, none of these guitars need to sound this farty. If you notice, even when Chappers moves up to the higher 6 strings on them, it still sounds farty. Its just the way they have their amp/EQ set.
Max van Klinken dont u listen? 8/9 string guitars are not meant for leads. its for riffs and chugging, which will sounds like shit. too uncomfortable ull never use the higher strings in a good and creative way that theyll be completly useless. making u a bass player essentially
Daniel Chachanashvili how shortsighted of you. Tell that to tosin abasi. The chugs, he shreds, he creates tasteful leads, plays with both hands. Ji by periphery is a good example of all 8 strings used. People need to stop talking shit until they actually understand the instrument.
***** I completely agree, but to be fair, with extended range guitars becoming more widely used there is a veritable flood of band which are essentially just Metalcore but 11 half steps down. i could understand people hating it if that's all they are exposed to.
8 String needs at least 28.5 inch scale, passive pickups by Lundgren or Cepheus or Bareknuckle OR only one type of active ones which are 808X, 80 gauge F# string.. 9 string guitar needs 30 inch scale at least and the rest the same as on the 8 string.. for the tone the only natural amps it can use are 6505 and 6505+ or Scorpion or 112 Bandit with the new drive pedal by Misha.. the rest needs to be modeling like Axe-fx 2 etc. Animals As Leaders, Meshuggah, Periphery are kings of these guitars You're welcome
For the 8 at least I'd like to blame the horrible sound on a combination of those EMGs (I've never heard of a person who's actually liked an EMG 808 haha) and that they're using a Marshall - nothing wrong with the marshall, it's just that their voice doesn't work very well for the tunings that those guitars go that low. For high gain sounds I find that amps that are naturally tight work best - and they are just really cool on on most any clean amp :)
SyncopatedFin Oh, it wasn't just me. I didn't realise that Avenger had a Nazgul in the bridge, so I was thinking "oh shit, here we go", and then he turned on the amp and... huh. Wrong amp & or wrong settings? I honestly thought all the guitars sounded bad when they probably ought not to have... especially the Avenger
These guitars always sound like "farts" and "out of tune", I think that guitar amps' speakers are not designed to handle the low frequencies of these extra strings, they just sound bad. Plus, in the mix, you would get in the way of the bass player so what's the point?
If you listen to some 8 string records, they are not really used like a bass. It's more like the fat string gives you a certain kind of metallic clunky sound in the mid and upper frequencies and the guitars are usually mixed to emphasize that and not the sub 300 or so hz frequencies that a real bass occupies. Rob is completely unable to even do a decent 7 string demo, so obviously he has no clue about how to play a 8 string, even more so he doesn't know how to set up a rig for it. To my ears they use too much gain, are not boosting the amp (to make it tighter), use a (semi) open back combo etc. As much as I like rob it would really be more useful to get someone competent with those things to do the demos on ERG.
Everything is out of tune technically due to the tuning system we use, equal temperament. all the intervals are spread over an octave equally so no interval is pure except for the octave. For example a pure major 3rd is 400 cents while a pure 3rd is 386 cents, A whopping 14 cents out of tune the the pure interval (humans can hear the difference of 3 cents in a note) So really nothing is truly in tune at all
Firstly thanks for the always entertaining vids! You guys are easily my favourite guitar reviewers on youtube. Was wondering if you have done a review of single pickup guitars!? If not would this be an idea you would consider? Cheers.
Djenty Cat Why are you determined to get everybody to join the 'let's give guitars more strings lmao' bandwagon? This is Rob Chapman's channel, so a majority of people here are probably into Blues and Rock, and the sound of those kinds of guitars would just sound like nonsense to them. and just for the record, 'perfect tone' is subjective. I thought that guitar tone was rather horrible - and that's coming from someone who doesn't mind extended range guitars.
Kevin Anderson I am aware of the proportion of people on here who aren't familiar with ERGs (extended range guitars)… and I'm not trying to make you play one, I'm just saying that this demo isn't really too great of a representation of the possibilities of ERGs. You can do a lot of cool things with more strings. Just check out some of the music I mentioned.
These would great for surf rock/metal. I'd love to try one of the 8 or 9 strings for that style. I would also maybe use a bass amp with a processor and plenty of compression.
i'm not a fan of 7+ string guitars but my friend has a 9 string and it was really fun to piss about on but i don't think ill be getting one any time soon.
your mentioning what you like or dont like to random people you dont know. remember,we do not care what you do or do not like so dont mention it again,we arent married to you,we arent related to you so leave your likes and dislikes at home,ok
Why do people hate extended range guitars and say stuff like "wow metal guitarists can't even make cool music with just a 6 string guitar on drop d tuning." Like what the fuck kind of logic is that??
It all boils down to personal preference. Some people are just way too close-minded to realize there is other tunings besides E standard and/or Drop D.
the JVM is in no way designed as a rock/blues amp.... i own a JVM.. they are fucking gain monsters - dave mustaine uses them - from the band megablues :\
I have been loving my 8 string guitar, though it isn't a Schecter. I got it back in February 2022 (it's April now), and it's been the best guitar I've ever played. I had a 7 for a bit a few years ago and liked it but got rid of it after a few months. If I had a lot of extra money I would definitely have a custom 9.
I'm a fan of extended range guitars and the genre of music they've become synonymous with, but that low C# on the 9 string does not sound appealing at all. Even with a proper tone, it's just too damn low and I hope these prog players that I enjoy can either change my mind, or they stay the hell away from it.
Well might I suggest a band called Chorder? The guitarist in the band plays a 9 in standard and it sounds pretty good with the right gating and compression.
I'd say the 9 has more of a percussive attack to it. I listen to a couple bands who had implemented the 9 string and they used it as more of a punchy, percussive attack instead of technicality. I enjoy it. It just sounds sinister.
The 9 string one has 909 pickups and costs £999.99
Needs more 9s...
OBSIDIANdubstep Nein.
I did nazi that coming. Did Jew see that coming?
Infernis Lesly Oh noes, someone might take offence. Anne Frankly I don't find it funny.
I was joking if it wasn't obvious.
Tristan Berke While you lot make these jokes, I'm just going to sit here in Mein Kampfy chair.
AirCommando12 alright now we're just getting a bit Reichdiculous.
We're slowly transitioning back to lutes....
+TheLivingHeiromartyr Harp Metal
+TheLivingHeiromartyr I want to see someone djent with a lute before I die
+GuitarFreak1901 I think Rob Scallon is going to do it at some point XD
Here 4 years later and Rob has done it
Alex Hancock lmaooo o
I thought that 9 string guitar look big and heavy, but 1000 lbs? Geez. Didn't realize you guys were modern day Hercules...
its the currency
+Chance LeStourgeon lol baited imbecile
David Blackman kk
I actually had to read this twice to get the joke. I am a bass player though, so it's probably fine.
+Chance LeStourgeon it's a joke
Yeah I think the 9 is a little too much. 8 strings already get in the way of the bass. That being said someone will come along and make one sound great! :)
I just hope somebody remakes the 9 string and sets it up with a high A string.
tobin abasi :D
JIMI MIW POSS *tosin abasi
Hank Hill Some guitarists have done that on 7 and 8 strings, I think there is a video of Pat Metheny doing something similar up on youtube.
Emil Bringsli
yeah, but I want a company to do that on a stock guitar so it'll catch on
People need to go check out rob scallon. He uses a 9 string for metal, and for softer stuff. Both very enjoyable
Thanks for the advice i will give him a listen
yeah, he's amazingly talented
i checked Rob Scallon out the dude blows my mind i've never seen an 8 string used for anything but Djent
David McLeod he's fantastic.
sinlapse13 Chappers is subbed to him :-), and yeah I have been a sub for ages and Rob is a legend. Also, for funny stuff check out Jared Dines
Just to point it out to people, the deeper strings are NOT popular for melodic playing, they are popular for their percussive string attack, and are used in genres where the distortion settings are so that the deeper strings are huge percussive blasts of overtones. Harmony does not really register too well in those ranges and it's not supposed to either.
The comments are criticizing it on the premise of being a guitar, but it's really made its name for being a drum with melodic elements.
I always thought that 6, 7, 8, & 9 string guitars are completely different to one another
Same with 4, 5, & 6 string bass
@@lukedavies9708 and 7 string basses don't forget
@@NubsWithGuns I didn't.
For me personally, from 8 + strings it sounds like a weak bass guitar, but the 7 string guitar definitely grabbed my attention. As always good job Rob! Pd: this video needs more rabbits.
Doesn't beat my 88 string piano.
+Lawrence Rhodes
damn you have a very small piano, most standard pianos have 230 strings.
+Lawrence Rhodes But does it Djent? ;)
+Lawrence Rhodes Actually, a piano can have up to 236 strings as some note have 2 or even 3 strings per note! But I take you point. Where will the madness end?
Lawrence Rhodes HA! I and my 0 string guitar win!
I made a 2 string crabcore guitar tuned to a diminished 5th
What I'm wondering is why all the 60 year old blues players are on a video for ERGs. Every comment is either these guitars are for 15 year olds who listen to too much metal or my piano has more strings or why not use a bass. It's so easy to criticize music that you don't understand. Why not respect the people who come here because they're actually interested in the guitars instead of telling them their music is shit?
Im 57 and own this guitar. so stfu
Because those are miserable old farts that are dead inside. You know what I mean? They still live in 70s and they are as static as a dead stone
Great comment phoenix. Your 100 percent right.
Teapotmullah sucks.
angryktulhu wrong and wrong. I listen to a lot of new metal and my brain isnt dead or stuck in the seventies.
In my opinion, when you show these guitars that are primarily used for hardcore metal, it would be better to use an amp that compliments that style. Some combo marshall isn't going to inspire people about the guitar at all. It sounds terrible with the lower stings. If you're in a guitar store, isn't there better amps to use it on?
Where is rob scallon when you need him?
ikr? lol
playing metal on a 22 string ukelele
Hubert Cumberdale that sounds like something he would do
GunsnRosesfan2012 Under that Chapman mask
not in this video
the first thing to play is a monster powercord. let it ring and feel it, especially if you've dropped a tune or so. Drop A is awesome for 7's.
Drop A on a 7 is cool. I really have been enjoying DADGCFAD on an 8
+FGFoxy I don't know what the tuning is called but I like playing songs meant for a six string on my 7 in GCGCFAD and just use the 7th for power chords. Adds a bit more girth to alot of songs
BaconHawkSauce You're playing in Drop G/C.(depends on whether it is a 6 or 7 string)
I love C# standard on the 7 string, but with the added G# on the 7th string.
So the tuning would be:
G#, C#, F#, B, E, G#, C#
Since the other guitars in our band are in drop C, I've ended up in double-drop F on my seven string:
F C G C F A D
your band has a bassist for a reason
Yes, but now the band needs a 7 String bass ;)
^ #prog/djent
+Gemütlicher Baum Veil of Maya's bassist used 7 strings
Robert Hill
Well thats low ^^
Thx for that band, they remind me at Born Of Osiris and I like Born of Osiris.
Gemütlicher Baum I think they're awesome and you're welcome
The 9 string sounds like a fart machine from hell
+Jorge Letria agreed. i like low tuned guitars, im a fan of djent bands like AAL and periphery, and ive wanted a 7 string for a long time......but even i feel 9 strings are too much!
Akshat Sahay what about 8 strings? I’m gonna be honest I’m sad Ibanez stopped making tosin abasi’s signature guitar
@@funnyperson4027 Tosin has his own line of guitars now called Abasi Guitars, they are better than they were with Ibanez
Blake Chambers I know I’ve seen them. Their newest looks like a tele. But even though I like those guitars a lot and would pay a lot to get one, I like the look of his Ibanez one better
Sorry forgot the names of his new line up had to look the, up. Called the larada. I really like the one Demo’d at namm, the silver 6 string
a few years ago I saw this video and thought:
shit, that 9 string guitar sounds horrible.
ironically now I have a hellraiser c9 and I am in love with it.
I am in the same boat lmao. I’m just waiting to buy one
I'm debating it but I want a multiscale fanned fret
Everyone in the comment section seems to imply that nines are only used for distorted tones. You guys realize that there is more to music than metal, yes?
This. Also dig the name.
I've only seen 9s used in metal
Then why not change that? Rob Scallon has some videos of him utilizing nines outside of metal, and it is very tasteful.
I'll check those out in a minute.
Man I agree with you 100% hose guys are idiots.They know nothing about music and everything about making noise
My question is why did they stop at 9? Hell, I have a thing that has 88 strings (plus a few duplicates for added badassery). It's called a piano. HEHE
+Nik Szu yep. cycles within cycles.... forgotten then invented again. haha not in this database-driven world we now inhabit. 3000 years ago... yeah, I can see it.
they make 10 strings now. I know agile has one.
+Adam Charron My brain isn't big enough to play a 10 string. hehe besides, I'll just cheat and multitrack it.
They make an extended range piano with 97 keys.
+Jonathan Sefcik but... the low and high keys of a normal piano already sound unintelligible for the most part. I wonder why someone would want more notes that didn't ring clear? Maybe the maker of this new piano takes that into consideration and makes it sound more clear.
i got 7 string Ibanez for $199 (150 pounds) on amazon, plays better than any guitar ive ever had. Many guitar tabs i like to play require 7 string, like deathcore and such
whats the guitar name/model
+Trixx Thefurry ibanez grg7221 7 string
+Sam Corbin I've got the exact same one! Is yours white or black?
i've got that in white, its great
+Nik Brundige cool! Then we have the exact same models and color
If there are people who really give use to +6 strings, it's Rob Scallon, Rings Of Saturn and Beyond Creation.
+Dethkok You should check out Allegaeon. They mostly use 7 string guitars, but they have some stuff where they use 8 string guitars and its amazing.
+Dethkok Animals as Leaders use 7 and 8 string
+Dethkok You could throw John Petrucci in there.
+Dethkok Josh Travis from Glass Cloud uses a Legator 9-string. Sounds absolutely amazing.
Chris Broderick?
I have a 9 string guitar AND shave with a FIVE blade Schick Hydro 5 razor, I win.
I'm down with 7. 9 is insanity
Needs more insanity
@@stevestevestevesteve6466 Check Agile for this
@@stevestevestevesteve6466 Said Too Much Productions has videos on it
"I think the question is, how much more black could this be? And the answer is: None. None... more black."
I'll quit buying black when they make a darker color!
TheMetalHeaD256 Event Horizon Productions Actually, theres a new "color" called Vantablack? Theyre calling it the darkest material in existence, even blacker than black itself.
Luxorcist It's not blacker than black, it's just "actual" black.
***** So, that would make it blacker than black, right? since black was around when it was created?
Luxorcist Blacker than the black we are used to (that was not quite black yet)
The 9 string sounds like Chewbacca falling down some stairs...
anyone catch the holy diver on the 8 string 😂
7- string was a pleasant suprise to me. I love it! In fact, it only adds 5 more semi/half tones (in standard tuning), which is nothing special. :) the cooler thing is that you have notes from the lower frets from the 6th string just under (on the 7th string) its higher frets. Very cool for lead guitar and also for rhythm (albeit, for rhythm, it requires a longer reprogramming, IMO)
8 and 9- string guitars just don't add nothing I want for my original music so I can't comment about them. I love how Tosin Abasi uses his 8 string guitar though!
And best of all, if you know your high B and E strings then it's mirrored exactly the same on your low B and E strings
That's exactly what I forgot to mention. Thanks
some people here have never heard Rob Scallon play either Envy or Royale
Anchor and for that second are both amazing aswell
BaconHawkSauce that is definitely true
i never heard of him all together
Mike You should look him up man! He's really good.
I like him as a musician (specially the one fret song and Ragtime) but I really don't like his signature guitar (I don't know if is the guitar or the tone he gets with it), it sounds very sloppy specially the low strings
I don't think the JVM was a good choice for an amp on this one. They have their strengths, but they just can't handle down-tuning very well. This would've been fairer through a Mesa Rectifier, a Peavey 6505, or one of the new Randalls, just to name a few.
I thought the same.
That 9 string isn't a guitar, it's a bloody table.
If you want your guitar to sound like it's farting then we have just the guitar for you.
9 string seems like the miku pedal of guitars unless your playing 100% TR00 KVLT djent
They should put a 9 string into a miku
Have you ever heard of rob scallon
there is nothing kvlt about djent, kvlt is all about the treble
18:54 Random ass elephant on top the marshall that appears and disappears from frame?
Hahaha wtf? Just spotted it
And a Dragon!🐲
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How many strings do I need to make up for my lack of talent and disdain of practicing?
All 9.
***** do you even Sarcasm? Clearly not, eh. 9 strings imo is a gimmick, it's the same as saying how many pedals are required to be awesome. Because, as we all know, talent flows from the individual through the instrument, not the other way around.
yep, that cover "band" that I've played in was technically called an Orchestra. So, when I was playing the Violin we didn't need any effects...it was all in the hand. We managed to get along, somehow.
4 strings, try to play bass... Bass players are just not good enough to play 6 strings... lol!
Don't get me wrong, im just kidding!
hehehe!!!! John Myung!!!! One of my heroes! Always in the back, so underrated bass player! Yeah, definitly love DT!
i feel like 8 and 9 string is for the bands that just think that lower = heavier. so they just get more low strings and think it`s good shit, still sounds like farts, personally, 7 strings are a maximum
Chapman Stick is different and older aproach, but more on the taping side. Good thing it doesn't have anything to do with Rob Chapman.
While that's often true of a lot of bands who just use it as a gimmick, it's a real shame people lump the entire extended range crowd together with those bell-ends. I think there's a lot of experimentation, diversification of genres and general brilliance coming out of the movement that you might just miss if you blink.
yeah I personally dont go lower than B on any guitar, BUT to be honest Animals as leaders tune their 8 string to E, and Glass Cloud mostly plays in F, D and even a low A of the guitarist 9 string and it doesnt seem to muddy. I think the style of playing is important. If you tune that low you cant use chords anymore with the low string, its more percussive bass style with the low strings
I mean just tune lile drop c. Its more than enough. Then actually play something that sounds heavy. Taylor Swift doesnt sound heavy even if you play it in like drop Bb
Never heard of Animals as Leaders or Alex Hutchings or Brian Raines?.. It´s a pretty close minded opinion you are displaying.
I'm probably going to get crap from people about this, but I just don't see the point of 8 and 9 strings. I can see the purpose of 7 strings, though. If you want a more massive, beastly sound. But to me 8 and 9 strings are so overrated because it seems like EVERY modern metal band HAS to have guitars that have more than 6 strings, tune them ridiculously low, have EMG pickups, and do nothing but chug.(Unless if your Tosin Abasi)
I definitely feel like 8 stringers and below are muddy as fuck and completely lack any sort of punch without compressing the dog shit out of it when used for metal. Tosin has some of the best examples of cleaner pieces using 8 string guitars though. They're just not for me when it comes to metal.
Plus I heard that people just use the top two strings. I always say, "This is what happens when you let your bass player play guitar." XD
Haha, that seems to be the case with some people. They forget why we made fun of Korn and Limp Biskit. They used 7 strings and shit as a gimick (and maybe because they're not sure how to tune their own instruments). The same thing is happening with 8 strings and up now. People are confusing pitch with musicianship.
+DeltaOracle257 Check out Beyond Creation. They use each of their eight strings.
Hmm, I'll look into it.
OK - lots of fair criticism about Rob & I not really being 8 or 9 string players, so to balance things up, go & watch this guy doing something beautiful on an 8 string Schecter - Anchor (8 string song) - Rob Scallon
6 string- Classic
7 string- Not my taste, but if you want something different, go ahead
8 string- Getting kind of ridiculous.
9 string- Fuck you.
Years late here, but I know some country guys that play 7 strings because it allows them to play in the baritone guitar register as needed by certain country tunes, and also solo up in normal 6 string register without the draw backs of crazy long baritone scale length or a wound 3rd string! Pretty neat!
We have bassists for a reason. I understand a guitarist using a 7 string.. But anything more, in my opinion is just to boost their ego.
What I meant by my opening statement, is that as long as there is a bassist, there is no need to really add these lower strings. (7 string is an exception)
jeppoboy3000 It's to add diversity and creativity while writing music.
In my music my bass playing doesn't play second to a guitar. Fuck that shit
We have bassists for a reason. Yes that's true! But that's only because the Luthiers shorted us on the string count to our guitars. This isn't such a bad thing if we're playing in a band. But what if you're soloing all by your lonesome self? Not such a good thing! This is why guitarists take an interest in additional strings.
Rob is a good player but even he would say that he's the wrong guy to demo a 9 string. They were right when they said that a 9 string is a completely different instrument. It works well if it is played more like a piano utilizing a two hand tapping sort of style. Its not meant to be played like a standard 6 string.
YES MEN ROB, BUT THEY ARE SHITTY PLAYERS, AND THEY ARE WEARING MARSHALL.. JAJAJALOL
Wouldn't be surprised if Meshuggah uses 9-strings on their new album, but they probably would pull it off!
I got 8 strings guitars for years now it does feel like a new type of instrument. I then got that exact 9 strings over a year ago and felt the same again. I then got a 10 strings fanfreted 3 months ago which feel a bit more like a big 9 than a new instrument type. I get it that most players think that 6 strings is enough, but in my case, I barely stop playing guitars with less than 9 strings but I certainly play different things since then. I still go back to 8 when I want to play more traditional stuff. I sold pretty much all my 6. So extended range is different, unnecessary, but really inspiring in a totally different
way. And if you are playing solo guitar (or just playing by yourself) it is just great since you can now get a much richer sound.
For the records, I play more jazzy clean tone stuff with lots of tapping.
anything above 7 string is honestly just ridiculous unless you know exactly what your doing :')
"...about as much use as a condom machine in the Vatican."
I'd buy a bass instead.
Okay, Capt Lee was playing metal like he knew what he was doing there on that 8-String. I am genuinely impressed.
We should all just start playing a distorted harp. Problem solved.
Hear that? Thats the sounds of thousands of bassists crying out and suddenly being silenced. RIP bass players
I feel a great disturbance in the force...
im a bass player, if you think that 9 or 8 strings are going to silence anything but leads, you are severely mistaken.
Waaaaaaaaaaaa
Iggy Tubmen ever heard of a joke?
Na man. We have 24 string basses. Bass players are now guitar 3.
The 9 string sounded like audible diarrhoea.
"No one here wears hair bands," says Lee Anderton while sitting next to Rob Chapman, who's clearly wearing a hair band.
I like 7 string guitar, but 8 and 9 it's just ridiculous. It sounds like an high-tuned bass
I play 6, 7, and 8 and personally I find that my 8 is more like a 6 string. Not in feel obviously but more in terms of how I get around it. I've yet to play a 9 but I imagine it would seem more like a 7. That's just my opinion though. It probably helps that I have massive gorilla hands that i can still get my thumb around an 8 with.
8 strings work suprisingly well to play jazz
I wish they would play with the gear that these guitars are intended to be played with..or got someone that played the kind of music these are intended to be played with.
People saying just get a bassist, watch andrew baena’s comparison series between extended range guitars vs baritones/basses. The tones you get out if the instruments are completely different. Even when tuned that low, the guitar abd bass fill completely different roles
they should really use an axe fx or kemper profile to do 7, 8, or 9 string demos
Yeah their style of music, and those types of amps don't really lend themselves to the extended range of an 8 string.
should try a compressor or a drive pedal to tighten the sound of guitars this low
Finally thank you
I use my 8 string as a way to thicken up barre chords. EBEADGBe is the way to go. It's a good way to extend the range of the guitars in your band without it being over the top. The B allows you to hit the lower range of notes without issue and the low E is used to thicken up chords. Bass player is still required.
+Ryan McGowan
I tune mine the same. Only use the 8th for those $5 hooker bends. You know, that dirty but sexy and know you wanna hit it tones. :P
Okay then tosin
+InputSilver9 Not at all. I use it on three of my bands songs. We play in standard and it's nice to be able to give a lower feel to certain songs when it's needed. It beats having all the string players carry around different guitars for each tuning we'd use.
Personally, the 8 & 9 string guitars sound like a muddled mess when doing the power chords. I wonder how these guitars sound on a clean channel with someone doing a bit of finger-picking style.
You aren't even supposed to do power chords when it goes that low, the sound of a single 8th or 9th string is heavy enough. Listen to Meshuggah, they barely use power chords in their modern works and still sounds heavy as fuck.
rob scallon
^ this. Go check out "Anchor" by rob scallion
These guitars sound like my stomach when I'm about to take a shit.
So if someone here is wonderin why the fuck would anyone need 8 or 9 strings on his guitar, go check out Mike Le Rosetti's djent jazz funk
yeah of course it sounds crappy if ya play blues on it...
one thing is clear, you have to be a fuckin genius to use all these possibilities 9 strings give u
it's damn good
Duke Ukulele no shit xd
+19ThreeLions97 Or you could just stick to 6 strings and not play the bass on a guitar.
Toolsquatch be progressive
+19ThreeLions97 Oh, you mean "20 minutes of noodling"? Yaaaaaaaaawn.
that 7 string sound soo good
Being a fan of Slipknot and Lamb of God's newer stuff, I'm a fan of a heavy sort of chugging sound. I don't mind 7 strings too much, but more than 7 is just stupid. Honestly, just get a baritone 6 string and put some heavy strings on it.
+John Moore no play a 7. You lose your soloing ability on a drop tuned 6 string
+chazzy licks still keep a normal 6 string, but 7 strings are just too expensive or cheap and crap
+John Moore It's not stupid, go listen to Animals as Leaders and see what you can do with an 8. Just because YOU don't like it, doesn't mean it is silly, I love bands like Meshuggah etc. who use 8 strings.
+Chris Warrick B standard is nothing. Bro im talking about if you play drop A on a 6 string, you simply dont have enough high notes anymore... theres no point to playing drop A on a six string.
+chazzy licks 7's are definitely as far as I go. I love the extra lower range, but it's not for a chuggy sound. I use it for chords and harmonics. It gets annoying sometimes though, having to mute that extra string and not really being able to fret with the thumb too well, but it works in certain situations.
turning down the 7th string in the 7-string sounds real good. huge range increase.
the 8 and 9 string appears to essentially give you the ability to play a 2 or 3 string bass at the same time while you're playing a 6 string. :) I don't think I really care for the 9th string. as I agree with what some have described as it sounds like a fart machine.. very slow response..
definitely like the 7 and possibly the 8 string versions though.. as they seem more like you're gaining options, whereas the 9 string seems like you're trying to meld two different guitars into one.
Would be awesome if Rammstein used those 8-strings
In my opinion Rob. On the Eight and Nine string Guitars, the bottom G string of the Bass Guitar IS used as the main concept for both the eighth and ninth string(s) of both Guitars seeing how thick they get for that needed LOWER sounding tone. But again, this is just my opinion about the idea on how both of these Guitars were made and the popularity of their use in bands like Meshuggah and Animals as Leaders.
I don't think I could play an 8 or 9 string, my hands are too small XD
Then you'd be better off playing 6 and 7 string guitars.
On either of these [8 & 9 strings] guitars I suppose it wouldn't be impossible to fit lighter gauge strings, say for example, 58s to 9s - maybe even 8s, I guess it'll be much clearer throughout rather than the horrible muddy sound they let out. The only issue will probably by the nut slots. I'd quite like to Rob and Lee experiment with this and see if it'll work.
Jackal Fox I'd rather you used a 9 gauge for the first E string. The 8 gauge to me seems VERY weak.
Jackal Fox Since they use longer scale lengths, it would indeed make sense to use lighter strings. However, if you drop-tune, I'd recommend stringing the lower strings with shortscale bass strings, as those are denser per gauge than guitar or bass strings. The stock strings they load on these guitars are really not ideal.
A lot of country players use 7 strings. You can do open tuning for slide playing while having the power chords where you want them.
9 strings is overkill, love Schecter though, great guitars.
Rob, you're an amazing player and I wish I could be as good as you some day...
But...
17:23 onwards, not even your magic hands could make a 9 string sound good. :(
It has to do with the Pickups and the Amp . EMGs sound good down to A , but Lower , nah . Marshalls sound shitty anyways . I've seen some nice 9string Riffage , for example a dude called Shane Caskey who plays all 9 strings , not just the C# :D
Ha ha agreed...
Check out Glass Cloud
Joe Wetterling Glass Cloud sounds like shit
You can't really cut the guitar because Rob himself admitted that he basically has no idea how to play it (not in those exact words, of course). The best way to describe that thing really is just a completely different instrument. Plus, because the damn thing hits so low, you really need some extremely high quality, and stupid expensive gear to make it sound good.
I have to say though, I love Schecter and adore my EMG-loaded Omen 7, but a 9 string? Its impressive, its cool to look at, and I'm sure it'd be, let's just say "interesting" to play, but I think an 8 string would be the highest I'd go.
This virus situation really gives you chance to 'reflect' or go for 'return from future' assessments. First off, my early guitar escapades revolved around choice between 6 or 4 strings. (Lead/Rhythm or Bass.) - Yeah, long, long time ago. - With the advent of 7-8-9 stringers, you do have to go through a learning curve but, it's a bit like not having to decide on a role. In a way, you're combining skills into what is a distinct new role. Now, you play guitars that fit specific styles. - Personally, it's a challenge that's welcome, & rewarding too, in the long run. - Next challenge? Fan-frets! Bring 'em!
3:51 nice Tosin Abasi mention
I could listen to British people talking all day.
Same
I was married to a British woman for fourteen years. The novelty wears off, believe me.
Oh they are a nightmare, I know it, but wild in the bedroom ;)
anybody can be wild in the bedroom. im British and my girl is not the wild type in bed, she prefers passionate love making.
7 strings have their use. For starters it puts the according scale on the A-D-G-B-E strings directly below the root note on your first A string (tuning A-E-A-D-G-B-E). That actually makes it very fun to play and it still feels true to the playing style of a 6 string. Completely agree with the Cap on 7+ strings feeling like a different instrument (and it doesn't agree with me either). But yeh, Animals as Leaders pretty much proves that it can be a great instrument.
I have nothing against extra strings. If people want more strings, why shouldn't they use them? I don't think the music you make has anything to do with how many strings your guitar has. While I don't really like the genres where these guitars are being used, I don't really have anything against them. What does the amount of strings have to do with the quality of the music?
But if the selling point of your band is the amount of strings you are using, that's just stupid.
But when you are listening to an album, you don't hear how many strings the guitarist is using. And even if you do, again what does that have to do with the quality of the music? If you don't like low sounds, that's OK. But these guitaris can be used for more than just low playing. You can play new kind of chord voicings with them. They have a great range. Just experiment.
And how does it hurt anybody if they are selling 9 string guitars? It takes nothing away from the 6 string guitars.
Agreed. The Chord voicings are a great benefit to more strings. Personally I see huge potential for jazz and blues. Look at guitar players like Lenny Breau or George Van Epps, two absolute behemoth guitar players ... both on 7 strings most of the time.
i totally agree, but the fact is that an 8, or worse a 9, string guitar covers most of the spectrum frequencies. Imagine what a mess would be recording a song or just a concert: the guitar would blow away the bass and partially the drums, plus the sound is awful when playing the lower strings. As an example listen to some songs of meshuggah: apart from liking or not the genre, the bass is useless and from the drums you can hear just the snare, kick and cymbals. everything else is covered by guitars (8 strings). said from a guitarist, having an 8 or 9 strings guitar is just pure ego.
combinbain Well, that's just one way of using it. A 9 string guitar doesn't replace a bass. It's not all about the range, it's about the sound. You could also argue that a keyboard player could also replace the bass. But most bands with keyboardists also have bassists and guitarists - so they are playing the same frequencies but the sound is different and that makes it work.
It's a new instrument and needs to be experimented with. Djent is just one style that you can play on it (and you don't even need 9 strings for that - you can always drop tune your 6 string if you need low notes).
Check out Rob Scallon. He has done some more original sounding stuff on 8 and 9 string guitars.
Extended range guitars would also work well as solo instruments, just like piano. It's basically a piano that is played like a guitar (if we look at the range). People need to experiment and not just follow the trends. I'm sure you could be really innovative with the 9 string guitar.
preach it
combinbain
Ah yes I do see your argument. In fact I agree that with accompanying musicians 8 and 9 string guitars can be way overkill. I was thinking more in terns of MaggaraMarine's argument for solo performances -- think of Ted Greene with a 9 string. (he would probably argue away from even using such a thing). haha
8 and 9 string ones sound like broken Seinfeld.
apinakapinastorba yup pretty much
I like it. I prefer my 6-string tuned in C#, but I often use 7-string sets "discarding" the highest string and then tuning it up one step. I'm new to these guys but I like 'em; good players, decent videos.
I see that Line 6 in the corner. >:)
7 strings seem to be more logical ;p
i guess im the only one who fucking loves the sound of these guitars.
its just something about the heavy deep sound that can so easily turn into a lighter or higher note and then back down again that i love.
9 string is way to muddy, can barely hear whats coming out, i think 6 is enough for me, wouldnt mind having a 7, but ive played 8 and its way to uncomfortable and i couldnt imagine how 9 would feel
I'll have to check to see if anybody plays these through a Vox AC30. These do sound more like bass guitars through a Marshall.
My Signature from Chapman would be a 7-String with a locking trem, as well as an HSH (Seymour Duncan Invaders in the Neck and Bridge, and Sustainiac in the middle)
FYI, none of these guitars need to sound this farty. If you notice, even when Chappers moves up to the higher 6 strings on them, it still sounds farty. Its just the way they have their amp/EQ set.
9 string must be for those who don't know if they want to play guitar or bass.
The odd thing is, that many players chug with these guitars making the extra strings pointless.
orlock20 how are they pointless? it's obviously better to have them rather than not having them.
Max van Klinken dont u listen? 8/9 string guitars are not meant for leads. its for riffs and chugging, which will sounds like shit. too uncomfortable ull never use the higher strings in a good and creative way that theyll be completly useless. making u a bass player essentially
Daniel Chachanashvili
how shortsighted of you. Tell that to tosin abasi. The chugs, he shreds, he creates tasteful leads, plays with both hands.
Ji by periphery is a good example of all 8 strings used.
People need to stop talking shit until they actually understand the instrument.
***** I completely agree, but to be fair, with extended range guitars becoming more widely used there is a veritable flood of band which are essentially just Metalcore but 11 half steps down. i could understand people hating it if that's all they are exposed to.
8 String needs at least 28.5 inch scale, passive pickups by Lundgren or Cepheus or Bareknuckle OR only one type of active ones which are 808X, 80 gauge F# string.. 9 string guitar needs 30 inch scale at least and the rest the same as on the 8 string.. for the tone the only natural amps it can use are 6505 and 6505+ or Scorpion or 112 Bandit with the new drive pedal by Misha.. the rest needs to be modeling like Axe-fx 2 etc.
Animals As Leaders, Meshuggah, Periphery are kings of these guitars
You're welcome
If anyone wants to hear a practical and amazing use of a 9 string listen to Mick Gordon’s OST for the new DOOM.
These guitars should have a 30'' scale length. Heck my Baritone 6 string gets way better tones from these guitars sitting at 28 5/8''.
Get some Meshuggah signature pickups you will be surprised by the clean tones you get from them as well, especially playing through a fender amp.
I dunno, man. The 8th and 9th strings sound kinda obnoxious.
But maybe it's just me.
For the 8 at least I'd like to blame the horrible sound on a combination of those EMGs (I've never heard of a person who's actually liked an EMG 808 haha) and that they're using a Marshall - nothing wrong with the marshall, it's just that their voice doesn't work very well for the tunings that those guitars go that low. For high gain sounds I find that amps that are naturally tight work best - and they are just really cool on on most any clean amp :)
SyncopatedFin Oh, it wasn't just me. I didn't realise that Avenger had a Nazgul in the bridge, so I was thinking "oh shit, here we go", and then he turned on the amp and... huh. Wrong amp & or wrong settings? I honestly thought all the guitars sounded bad when they probably ought not to have... especially the Avenger
These guitars always sound like "farts" and "out of tune", I think that guitar amps' speakers are not designed to handle the low frequencies of these extra strings, they just sound bad. Plus, in the mix, you would get in the way of the bass player so what's the point?
If you listen to some 8 string records, they are not really used like a bass. It's more like the fat string gives you a certain kind of metallic clunky sound in the mid and upper frequencies and the guitars are usually mixed to emphasize that and not the sub 300 or so hz frequencies that a real bass occupies. Rob is completely unable to even do a decent 7 string demo, so obviously he has no clue about how to play a 8 string, even more so he doesn't know how to set up a rig for it. To my ears they use too much gain, are not boosting the amp (to make it tighter), use a (semi) open back combo etc.
As much as I like rob it would really be more useful to get someone competent with those things to do the demos on ERG.
Everything is out of tune technically due to the tuning system we use, equal temperament. all the intervals are spread over an octave equally so no interval is pure except for the octave. For example a pure major 3rd is 400 cents while a pure 3rd is 386 cents, A whopping 14 cents out of tune the the pure interval (humans can hear the difference of 3 cents in a note) So really nothing is truly in tune at all
Firstly thanks for the always entertaining vids! You guys are easily my favourite guitar reviewers on youtube. Was wondering if you have done a review of single pickup guitars!? If not would this be an idea you would consider? Cheers.
What's next? 13 strings with two Ks and a silent Q?
Silent Qb*
you're a little late there.. there's already 15 string basses too
The 9 sounded GOD AWEFUL
(guitars should stay out of the bass range.
The amp, the pickup... my ears. THEY JUST DON'T LIKE IT!
Check out chapman stick. It is 8/10 string but with 4/5 on seperate guitar/bass side on one neck, you can use two outs for seperate amplifiers.
Guitars sound fine in the bass range… this demo makes them look bad. Check this out /watch?v=D1frGF31lIA perfect tone, low-ass tuning (C1 I think)
Djenty Cat Why are you determined to get everybody to join the 'let's give guitars more strings lmao' bandwagon?
This is Rob Chapman's channel, so a majority of people here are probably into Blues and Rock, and the sound of those kinds of guitars would just sound like nonsense to them.
and just for the record, 'perfect tone' is subjective.
I thought that guitar tone was rather horrible - and that's coming from someone who doesn't mind extended range guitars.
Kevin Anderson I am aware of the proportion of people on here who aren't familiar with ERGs (extended range guitars)… and I'm not trying to make you play one, I'm just saying that this demo isn't really too great of a representation of the possibilities of ERGs. You can do a lot of cool things with more strings. Just check out some of the music I mentioned.
Kevin Anderson The clue is in the name, "Djenty Cat" ;)
These would great for surf rock/metal. I'd love to try one of the 8 or 9 strings for that style. I would also maybe use a bass amp with a processor and plenty of compression.
7 string,...standard gay.
8 string,...extemely gay.
9 string,...a whole new dimension of gayness.
i sense bait
XDD
i'm not a fan of 7+ string guitars but my friend has a 9 string and it was really fun to piss about on but i don't think ill be getting one any time soon.
your mentioning what you like or dont like to random people you dont know.
remember,we do not care what you do or do not like so dont
mention it again,we arent married to you,we arent related to you so leave
your likes and dislikes at home,ok
Well, i'm proud to be "extremely gay"!!! XD
Ahahahahah XD
Why do people hate extended range guitars and say stuff like "wow metal guitarists can't even make cool music with just a 6 string guitar on drop d tuning." Like what the fuck kind of logic is that??
It all boils down to personal preference. Some people are just way too close-minded to realize there is other tunings besides E standard and/or Drop D.
I agree with the Captain, it just sounds like a giant wall of "BLAAAAAAH" might be better with Duncan's or Entwistles.
These guitars wouldn't sound so muddy through amps designed for 6 strings that are playing rock/blues. Is that not clear to anyone?
I was thinking the exactly same thing... 8/9-string through a Marshall?? :S
ljuglampa They just don't get it.
the JVM is in no way designed as a rock/blues amp.... i own a JVM.. they are fucking gain monsters - dave mustaine uses them - from the band megablues :\
edwilliams999 I fucking love MegaBlues !!! Symphony of Consumption is my favorite song of theirs !!!
Nah mate - my favourite megablues song is bark at the moon - i love dave murrays solo in it - eric claptons walking bass line is beast also
That 9 string just sounded like an out of tune mess. I know it's not chappers playing, so is there really a point to it?
Running 8 and 9 strings through a Marshall?
**Facepalm**
I have been loving my 8 string guitar, though it isn't a Schecter. I got it back in February 2022 (it's April now), and it's been the best guitar I've ever played. I had a 7 for a bit a few years ago and liked it but got rid of it after a few months. If I had a lot of extra money I would definitely have a custom 9.
I'm a fan of extended range guitars and the genre of music they've become synonymous with, but that low C# on the 9 string does not sound appealing at all. Even with a proper tone, it's just too damn low and I hope these prog players that I enjoy can either change my mind, or they stay the hell away from it.
what about glass cloud? you like them at all?
Well might I suggest a band called Chorder? The guitarist in the band plays a 9 in standard and it sounds pretty good with the right gating and compression.
Played a show with glass cloud^^^ great guitarist, guy puts on a show!!
GRLidstone After the Burial have used 8 strings with a low C# as well, they also have the right gear to make the low notes sound right.
I'd say the 9 has more of a percussive attack to it. I listen to a couple bands who had implemented the 9 string and they used it as more of a punchy, percussive attack instead of technicality. I enjoy it. It just sounds sinister.
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