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How long has it been since you watched the Pyramids of Mars?
The kiss very much was for the younger LGBTQ audience. As someone who didn't have a good time of it as a teenager and parents who didn't take it too well (they're better now), having this kind of Doctor Who on my screen as a kid would have changed so much for me I think
There were no gay characters when you were a kid?
@@flaggerifyif there were they had very little screentime, used to comedic effect, and often the ones who died.
@@WaIkers RTD"s own Queer as Folk?
@@flaggerify I was too young to appreciate it, and I don't think my dad would have liked me watching it as a kid. He's still of the opinion being friends with a flamboyant teen is what turned me gay, and brings it up occasionally (I'm bi, and haven't seen this friend in 12 years).
Marie-Clare is such a lovely lady, beautiful inside and out, and Adam is a very lucky man to have her in his life. I wish them both a long, happy and successful life together.
Cool fact the building they use in this episode is called Margam orangery it’s about 6 miles from where I live and I had my covid jab in the very room they were dancing in. Also if you remember in the sontaran stratagem the house Luke rattigan was living in is directly opposite Margam orangery in Margam castle
Great episode, and one that deftly dodged most of the issues I've had with prior Doctor romances (for one it never felt like the episode was trying to sell me on Rogue as 'the love of the Doctor's life' rather than someone he had a connection with and was interested in dating him (well, travelling through time and space with him, it's the Doctor) to figure out if they had enough of a connection to go beyond a quick fling. Even Rogue's sacrifice felt more "Saving the world" than "Sacrificing himself for the Doctor")
"Russel has always been forward thinking" - I really need to talk about some of the plans that had been in place for SJA before Liz Sladen sadly passed away when you finish watching that series.
Really good observation, I like that take on the episode.
Its the Shalka Doctor, he was supposed to be the 9th Doctor until the revival happened in 2005. RTD has now made him canon, somehow. So possibly an alternative 9th.
For a bit I thought "Is this the Doctor's first romantic kiss"?!", because I was remembering 9 and 10 kissing Rose/Jack/Martha but it never being romantic. Then I remembered 11 and River, especially *that* scene in The Name of the Doctor..
Great reaction from both of you and also Marie Clare I need to say this, despite being out myself, that whole spiel at the end of the video was brillaint and also very on pointe, honestly the world needs to have a bright sunshine and be able to have everyone accept their fellow brother for who they are whether they are gay straight or even a bowl of fish fingers and custard xx 🤣🤩😍🥰
Doctor kisses, Grace Holloway (TV Movie/8th), Rose, Captain Jack, Martha, Astrid, Donna, River, now Rogue
You are aware half of those kissed him right. River and Rose only hard knes but river and docfor have a complicated relationship thats backwards and adleast it was metacrisos kissing rose but he fell in love with rose which also is a big no no and why i hate rose as a companion with 10
Wasn't racism big in the 19th century. The doctor would've been battling that if he was actually in 1813.
And I doubt they'd even know what homosexuality was.
@@flaggerify Oh, they knew. Illegal in England since 1563, punishable by death. Last execution was in 1835. Death penalty repealed in 1865. Decriminalized in 1967.
@@simonbeaird7436 The government may have known but the average person would not have been too aware of it. On QI Stephen Fry said that before Oscar Wilde's case, soldiers went arm in arm or hand in hand down the mall, after it they did not. Even as late as the 1930s no one thought it strange that Laurel and Hardy shared the same bed despite the Hays Code restricting any portrayal of homosexuality.
Like a lot of people, I knew a very obviously gay lad at school, 34 years ago now, who ended up committing suicide because he was living in a part of the country that didn't accept that. So you can never just say 'We don't do this, because that set of people over there won't like it'. I think the whole flirting part was good, but the speed of the attachment between them was a bit rushed. Simply because of the run-time now, I suppose. A charming piece and sort of light relief before the climax of the series.
I think it should have been anyone except the doctor. Swap him for jack or a new gay male companion andit works better. Doctor best just to avoid romantic relationships and feelings with anyone imoZ
Lovely reaction. I am a gay man who has been with my partner for 35 years. I really appreciated your support at the end. You are so right about what matters and what doesn’t.
I loved this episode. Loved the history setting. Loved the aliens and their motivation. Ncuti and Millie shone. Am giving this a 9.
I still love 73 yards btw. Difficult to rank this season. All very close between episodes 2 to 7.
Marie-Clare and Adam said Gay rights!!!
Seriously hanging out for your reaction to episode 7...
She's also in torchwood,
What a great reaction. You two are so great together. With Richard E Grant's alternative ninth Doctor being canon now, I wonder if he could be a pre Hartnell timeless child Doctor?
That would be my assumption. But I don’t want to assume too much.
❤❤❤❤ I love the new guy he very good and talented guy and I also love Millie also❤❤❤
My one querie,rogue has a gun and is a biunty hunter,surely its got a stun setting,so why is he and the doctor running away from the birds when he could have just shoot them
Rogue seemed like half Hugh Grant and half John Barrowman, great character though!
Really great review guys 😊
I have to say am not, and have never been, keen on the Doctor being portrayed in an overtly sexual way, as I have always thought his relative lack of interest in exploring the sexual side of his nature is what helped set him apart from other screen heroes. However, we did get to see a darker side to the fifteenth Doctor in this episode, when he vowed to show no mercy to the Chuldur after he had thought they had killed Ruby, and I hope we see more of this from him going forward.
As for the episode as a whole, it was pretty average fare, though I agree it had quite a trad feel. The Chuldur were quite fun villains, albeit not very memorable, though Indira Varma gave a very good performance - could her character be an ancestor of Torchwood's Suzie? Rogue was likeable, but I think his relationship with the Doctor developed too fast to be believable, and there was a definite sense that this was Captain Jack for a new generation, only with less flamboyance. His apparent demise at the end was quite a powerful moment, but undercut by the blatant signposting that we would see him again, which for me blunted the impact of the final scenes. It all looked great, but ultimately it wasn’t a stand out episode.
Didn't really connect with this episode, but it was better than space babies and probley Dot and Bubble . But this season has left me a bit cold, and im not sure why . Think 73 yards has been the one stuck in my head, and I thought that was a very haunting episode even tho it didn't make that much sense. Also, it doesn't help we only get 8 episodes and had less time with the characters and 2 doctor light episodes . But im still watching and supporting the show .
Ive never watched scream of the shalka. As hes supposed to be 9th doctor i really dont get his inclusion…
Not the first gay kiss on Doctor Who. Captain Jack planted one on the Doctor. Not sure how reciprocated it was at the time.
I’d suspect Time Lords are pan or bi. They’re not necessarily bound by human restrictions. Or possibly their orientation varies by incarnation. Like 14 saying how hot Newton was. OTOH, 4 might have been ace. 🤷♂️ I like that line “you’re a very beautiful woman, probably,” as if he had no real attraction one way or another.
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My favourite:
Finale part 1
Dot and Bubble
Boom
Space babies
The devils chord
73 yard
Rogue
I would say that this episode is a synecdoche for the whole season for me. I don't hate it, but I don't love it, either. Rather, it's mostly "meh" interspersed with little moments that I absolutely love.
I've also never seen Bridgerton because I'm not a fan of those kinds of shows in general, so the backdrop story basically did nothing for me. I *loved* the little "flirt duel" between the Doctor and Rogue to "Can't Get You out of My Head" - couldn't have picked a better song for thhuhat (Easter egg for Kylie/Astrid perhaps?)! Loved the twist of the girl with Ruby being the final alien!
Now... *that* moment... my feelings about it are complicated. We all knew this was coming and that would be red meat for the Neckbeard Natsee Troll Patrol, and I'm glad DW didn't shy away from it. Actually seeing it, however, I didn't love it.
At first, my justification for my reaction was, "I never liked it when the Doctor kissed onscreen," but if I'm keeping it 💯, that's not true. Looking at it, the onscreen kisses I accepted were those that were not romantic, at least on the Doctor's part (Martha in "Smith and Jones," the spy girl (I forget her name) in "Partners in Crime," and Donna in "The Wasp and the Unicorn." River Song I give a pass to because technically (later a bit more than that), they were married. Even more so since the only kiss I remember between them was *at* their wedding.
The only 3 I really objected to were with Grace in the 1996 movie, the one with Rose (and I sorta give a bit of a pass to since it's not "really" the Doctor), and this one. And for this one, it's not the kiss itself that bothered me--I'm pretty sure it wouldn't have bothered me at all if it were in the same way that Astrid had done it. What bothered me was the Doctor falling head over heels for someone. I can't remember him doing that (or at least making it obvious that he had). Even in his flings, he still maintained an emotional distance because deep down he knew they wouldn't last, even under a best-case scenario (like Connor MacLeod from Highlander). That's what really bothered me about this episode: him falling for someone is uncharacteristic of the Doctor (same as him callously leaving the posh kids to their fate in "Dot and Bubble"). I did just thought of another example: "The Girl in the Fireplace!" I really cringed when he was all, "I snogged Madame de Pompodour!" Really?! You're the effing DOCTOR, ffs!
Anyway, that's my take.
❤❤❤❤❤ I loved this episode I’m looking forward to the next episode ❤❤❤❤❤
I don't have any problems with homosexuality or couldn't care less about it my issue is it's with the Doctor who was always considered an a-sexual character least that was the case right up until the TV Movie when the Eighth Doctor kissed Grace Holloway which cause alot of anger in fandom at the time even Jon Pertwee and Patrick Troughton have said this in past interviews that the Doctor was alwaya an "a-sexual" if you go back to to classic who story "City of Death" The Fourth Doctor (Tom Baker) once said to one of the villains "Well your a beautiful woman...probaly" indicates the Doctor has little interest in sexuality if its around the companions sexuality or other characters ok that's fine but it shouldn't be with the Doctor in my opinion he's billion years old he should be beyond all that I could never imagined William Hartnell or Tom Baker not even Jon Pertwee ever doing that infact I think this would had been a huge culture shock to them because of the generation their from even John Nathan Turner who was gay and was the showrunner throughout the 80's didn't want the Doctor in sexual activities "No hanky panky in the TARDIS" he once said.
But overall "Rogue" is an "ok" episode but I found Ruby to be slightly annoying I thought Indira Varma was wasted and to confuse things further Richard E. Grant the Shalka Doctor is now canon apparently since RTD said back in 2003 when he was reviving the series said that he wasn't so I don't know how the Shalka Doctor fits in.
RTD should leave the gay stuff to his other shows & leave it out of Doctor Who. Totally disagree that it's a brave message. Terrible episode. Bring back Chibnall. Poor rant, I'm afraid.
I hated this episode. Ncuti was not playing the doctor he was playing either himself or eric. This should be a lgbt brigerton show. The doctor thrusting his hips cus hes fallen in love is a big no. The doctor should never fall for anyone especially that quick. Leave those storylines for companions. switch the doctor for captain jack and it would be alot better.
The Doctor should only love himself.