The CHILLS I got when I heard Gabriel Woolf's voice as Sutekh again. He's 91 years old and it's been nearly 50 years since Pyramids Of Mars but his voice still oozes malevolence. Absolute legend!
One of my favorite things about Gabriel Woolf's performance as Sutek is the calmness in his voice, which imho reflects the character's patience. This makes Sutek even more frighteningly because calm villians feel they have nothing to lose, that their opponents are beneath them, and that in their mind they're not a villian at all. This is why "Pyramids of Mars" is one of my favorite Classic stories and why Sutek has always scared the crap out of me. I'm looking forward to next week's episode and Jess's reaction.
"Doctor Who" actually was said in the first episode because of Susan. The junkyard where they landed Idris was the "I. M. Foreman" junkyard. Susan's fake last name was "Foreman" at Coal Hill School. When two of her teachers followed her home, intrigued by her unearthly intelligence in class, they were introduced to The Doctor and one of them said "Nice to meet you, Dr. Foreman." The Doctor replied "Doctor Who?"
The first thing I did was come looking for reactions to this episode and not a single one of them was familiar with classic Doctor Who. Ever since early this morning I kept refreshing this page waiting for her reaction. It seemed to come out a little later than normal and it was driving me crazy thinking that maybe she wouldn't do it until next week along with the second part. It is so so frustrating that there are dozens and dozens of people who react to Doctor Who but none of them are classic exposed.
@@EH-bn3kf this, absolutely this - I've been subbed to him for a solid decade now Torchwood Boy is another, but he's retiring from DW reactions after the finale so we've got very few of the OGs still left
@@flaggerify In fairness the Doctor was talking at the same time the Mara is mentioned. She might've just missed it. She did mention the 4th Doctor though.
The circle is now complete. When you started your Doctor Who journey, you were but a learner. And here we are, where we behold your SPECTACULAR reaction to the revelation that somehow, Sutekh returned, and it shows that now YOU are the master of Doctor Who reactions, Jess.
I was having a heart attack when it was revealed to be Sutekh. Another classic villain returning to new who is one of my favourite moments in the show!
More importantly from a story perspective, one who The Doctor was essentially powerless against. It was pure luck that saw Four win in PoM, and this seems to be the culmination of a very long game for Sutekh.
I really like that the show has been going with classic villains that aren’t the usual you’d expect them to bring back, especially for the finale cuz it would have been so easy to go with the popular choices Plus I like that this first series of RTD’s second era is embracing the classic who history a bit more as opposed to 2005 (Which of course had stuff in there but didn’t have much to do with the classic series in there aside from the Doctor, Tardis, Daleks etc…
I do hope that if he has a form other than the giant Jackal in the next episode that they bring the glowing green eyes back as opposed to the red. The green eyes always stood out more to me for a villain, red is a bit over done by comparison.
When I heard that voice and realized they had gotten Gabriel Woolf back as sutekh I was floored! He was sutekh in Pyramids of Mars and he was the beast in the tenth doctor story The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit. He is 91 years old and that voice is still chilling to hear.
“Twice the pride, double the fall.” I love how closely knit the Doctor Who reactor community is. You 2 are some of my all-time favorites, and the first 2 on TH-cam to actually know who Sutekh is during the reveal.
Yeah her soldiers are red shirts any time the doctor is around. Lives are lost around the Doctor. She respects him but is trying to keep her men safe. She is a good leader. She cares
@@itsalexneyoh my period for years now she's been named dropped every time there's a mystery person that might be a Time lady. This is the first time it would actually fit. Especially with her comment that was kind of rude and callus but not straight up evil. I never thought of The Rani as a straight-up evil at all and not even a psychopathic as the master. Interesting.
@@mikalmos369 her house number is #4 which is the number of letters in Rani. RTD said something about the doors being important. Her door is also tardis blue. Also he jokingly called the scene where the lady picked up the tooth as “the Ranis hand”..
I know right? Almost nobody is commenting on there being a Sullivan currently working for unit. She had one line and she is drawn to the Forefront and name checked and she is also in the credits. Corporal Alice Sullivan. She must be Harry's daughter or granddaughter or something. I can't imagine that will go unaddressed next week especially considering who wrote the episode.
Yeah the Sullivans also was interesting. However, reading the TARDIS wikia, one of the character in the Knock Knock episode of series 10. The boy that friends with Bill is said to be the grandson of Harry Sullivan, but they never pointed it out during that episode though~
I'm betting on Susan being the woman who left Ruby, it would be just like RTD to tease it, use it as a misdirect and than use her in the end. And Carol Ann Ford is still active, or active enough to pull down a hood for a reveal.
I haven't been this giddy about a returning Doctor Who foe since John Simm's return in "World Enough and Time"! I'm super glad that I watched Tom Baker's era in the lead up to the 60th Anniversary so that this ending hit especially hard :)
49 years later and Sutekh has finally returned! Pyramids of Mars was one of the very first Doctor Who stories I ever watched and helped me in becoming the Whovian I am today, so having this two-part finale actually be a soft-sequel to that with Sutekh returning felt very special, satisfying and rewarding to me. Sutekh is, not just the best one-time Classic Who enemy, but one of my personal favourite Who enemies of all time with no other enemy feeling this powerful, omnipotent and unstoppable. The Doctor was (and still is) clearly scared to death of him, and Sutekh could easily control him, even when he was nearly powerless. The build-up to his return here was perfectly doom-laden and foreboding, and I can't believe they managed to bring back Gabriel Woolf (who's in his 90's now) to reprise him again. He was also the voice of The Beast in the Tenth Doctor story The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit, who Carla name-drops here, which leads to the possibility that The Beast was perhaps another form/reincarnation of Sutekh.
I've waited 43 years - since I first started the show as a kid - for THIS GUY to come back. For all of the rest of Classic and every single season of New, I've been waiting for HIM. I just about shat myself twice when it was revealed. It's like three Christmases in one.
@@charlesashe-nn2sf I feel the same, sutekh is my favorite villain in all fo Dr who. I will say, big finish has two great stories with sutekh also voiced by Gabriel
It's Melanie Bush aka Mel played by Bonnie Langford. I met her last year and she was so tight lipped. Won't mention anything about her until you meet her. There have been a couple of references to Pyramids of Mars earlier this series but never thought it would lead to this.
From what i could hear in the episode they name dropped the toymaker, maestro, Mara and i think the Trickster. The others im not sure on cause i didnt hear it completely clearly
@@Venemofthe888 Yeah. Toymaker, Trickster, Maestro and Mara were all mentioned. The threefold deity of Malice, Mischief and Misery might be referencing the Gods of Ragnarok? No idea about the others. I guess keep an eye out for Reprobate, Incensor, and her children Doubt and Dread in the future.
Gabriel Woolf's wife is an opera singer. I can only assume this must be part of the reason he's looked after his voice so well - it's nearly 50 years later, and he sounds great!
I think Sutekh and the Beast from Satan's Pit are one and the same. Same voice actor and both were called Satan and the Beast by the Doctor. When Tennant asked the Satan's Pit demon what devil he was he said, "All of them." And the devil image in Satan's Pit looks like Sutekh's old classic who design. Both possess the same powers as well.
When The Doctor explained regeneration to Ruby, he literally said "We can use it to change our face and hide ourselves away." Mrs Flood 10 minutes later - "Im always hiding myself away." She's a Timelord. They literally told us right to our face. How has every youtube reactor missed this 😂😂
Because they told us it was Susan Foreman for this ep and then it wasn't. A twist is meant to lead you down the obvious path only for it to be yanked away in the end. We all think she's a time lord, we just haven't seen the episode yet! So we can't speak in assurances.
Hats off to Murray Gold in this, by the way. His themes have often been criticized for being intrusive, but in the epic sway of Ruby's central tragedy he really plays up to the visuals - which are, in themselves, Filmic.
Mel vs. Mels: The redhead you see now is Melanie (Mel) Bush. Mel was a companion of Doctors Six and Seven, and she was EXTREMELY annoying back in the day. I love the older “Mad Auntie Mel” we have now. Mels was a character affiliated with Doctor Eleven. We didn’t see her very long, but she was very important to the main characters at the time.
Congrats on being the only reactor I've seen thus far who knows who the flying fudge Sutekh even is. Every other reaction I've seen has just been, "who?" and it kinda takes the wind out of what is easily one of the sickest reveals in Doctor Who, imo.
Ngl I genuinely thought the Sutekh was a new monster. I generally did wanted a flashback (like The Giggle) to explain on what Harriet meant to make it simpler other than RTD expect you to know who the creature is. I've just started my Classic Who , I'm about many seasons behind where Sutekh appears
Agree, I get Classic Who feels like a task to get through but it would be nice to see more reactions related to that. I’m only subbed to two Doctor Who reactors: Sesskasays and 7th Hour Films (he’s been going through Classic Who the same as Jess, but with his dad and they’re near the end) which I recommend, especially if you’re into history or the like.
I really like the switch up from the tardis being the safe place the doctor always makes it out to be- but sometimes, there is something that turns the tardis into part of the horror. It really cements the fact that they have no safe place unless this creature is stopped.
Gabriel Woolf's last outing on this show was voicing 'The Beast' in 'The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit' back in 2006 and it's notable that the Tardis also seems to have a bit of trouble at the beginning of that story too. And I only mention the beast because Carla seems to recognise it as such. Can we trust anyone? And how exactly do you get rid of a God that can possess you or kill you at will? It's all to play for...
Of the members of the Pantheon of Discord mentioned here, the audience (and The Doctor) has met five. Sutekh, The Toymaker, Maestro, The Trickster and The Mara.
*me watching* "Its the beast" omg its the devil back. "gabriel woolfs voice" omg it IS the devil back. "Sutekh" OMG. that one line from carla, saying "its the beast" was genius writing in my opinion. I may have worked out it was sutekh. But because of that line, i thought they were teasing the devil, voiced by the same man. And that made the sutekh reveal that much more shocking and amazing
Mel was in The Giggle, so you have seen her before. It was great to see her in this too. It's a very enjoyable episode albeit intense and edge-of-your-seat stuff. Looking forward the finale, although this season has flown by and I am not ready for it to end.
I don’t think The Doctor thought she was Susan because they just happens to have the same name otherwise Matt Smith would think The Horse called Susan is also his granddaughter. The original anagram being Tardis and her being everywhere he goes. Is why he thought it was her
That being a obvious thing makes it the perfect trap for the real villain and honestly by planting her throughout the episodes would make the doctor suspicious to investigate and lead the doctor straight to the plan
The Doctor said that Timelords can regenerate to hide away. Mrs Flood says she is mostly hiding away. Mrs Flood is probably the real Susan, or at least another Timelord.
As a fan, my earliest memory, the episode that hooked me into "Doctor Who" back in the 70's, was “Pyramids of Mars“ with Tom Baker's 4th Doctor. OMG!!! To see my first Whovian villain, Sutekh (and the honor of hearing him reprised by Gabriel Woolf), on screen for the first time in nearly 50 years... Yes, i was screaming with that reveal. Also, I'm glad to see your recognition of this character. Great reaction.
I started watching your journey when you had only just begun it. Now we have Sutekh back, and you’re literally one of the ONLY reactors to know what that even means. It’s honestly crazy to see how far your Who journey has taken you. I think you’ve technically seen more of the Classic era than I have at this point. As a fellow fan and reactor to your reactions, I couldn’t be more proud.
That whole scene in the Time Window is the most scared I've been by Doctor Who in years, normally I'm like 'adventure scared' but this was actual horror-suspense fear as Soldier Dude from Cheetham Hill stepped out of sight. Best scene of this whole season for me, everything looked so real (and yes I've watched the behind-the-scenes and I know why) and just really tapped into something inside me, including the music which was excellent. I'm so glad you've reacted to some of the Classic stuff because honestly I wouldn't have caught those references if I hadn't watched your reactions, so you genuinely made this a much better pre-finale for me, thank you very much!
One of the names mentioned by the "Harbinger" avatar is the three fold deity....the three fold man is a name Dalek Caan referred to the Doctor back in Journeys End. The Doctor also has Three names now, Timeless Child, The Doctor, The Valeyard
My predictions: Ruby’s “mom” is actually the Trickster, and she is actually the Harbringer of the Trickster Susan Foreman will show up for real We’ll get a reveal that Sutekh and The Beast are the same entity
Cheery an ms Flood were both Divas on a soap called Eastenders, which Mel was also on...This is basically an easteneders reunion. And you need to look at Cherry as Yolande,. The make up is stunning. She's a lot younger than she looks here.
It’s hard to believe they are the same actor. Yolande is married to Patrick Truman played by Rudolph Walker who was Harper (American civil war soldier) in The War Games
I was hanging out to see your reaction at the reveal, hoping you had seen Pyramids of Mars. You did not disappoint!. As an aside, seriously have look at the behind the scenes video for his episode. The scene in the time window was originally supposed to be all green screen. The VFX team did some amazing work on actually creating the scene so the actors could see it, and it could move with the camera without the expense of Star Trek's AD Wall.
Don't tell the other reaction channels, but yours was the one I was most looking forward to for this episode - especially since you've seen Pyramids of Mars. This is one of the best reveal/cliffhangers we've had in... a _long_ while! And it's so cool they managed to get Gabriel Woolf back to play Sutekh again, after all these years! Way back in the Sarah Jane Adventures, they mentioned that the Trickster was part of the "Pantheon of Discord". I'm glad that's finally being expanded upon -- and I loved that they established a bunch of god-like beings from the Classic series as part of the Pantheon. The Toymaker, the Mara, and of course Sutekh himself!
Okay I’m going out on the biggest limb here but hear me out… Kate says to the Doctor ‘how can you have a granddaughter before a daughter?’ Now Susan has been a constant theme so far along with who is Ruby. Now what if and a big one at that Ruby is somehow the doctors daughter and Susan’s mother. Maestro said this ‘creature is very wrong’ which could be taken as maestro thought Ruby was human but after trying to kill her they realised there’s something else going on. Leading to the question of not what was Suetekh doing on Ruby road but why would a human baby be so important? Like I said huge limb and I’m probably very wrong but I like this theory so don’t slaughter me😂
I do find it a little weird to be so against Triad being Foreman (but not fully unreasonable or anything), we were given the TARDIS anagram too and a clear sign that Susan Foreman is going to be involved in some capacity, so it was never just the name Susan. (Also like, no reason it couldn't still be a Chameleon Arch) I stand by that even after the end of this episode, we still don't know Susan Triad's true deal, even if it now seems more likely that if Foreman's hidden in this story somewhere, it's Mrs Flood, not her (Doc: "Time Lords can regenerate their faces, it can save us from death or we can use it to hide ourselves away" almost the very next scene, Mrs Flood: "I'm always hiding myself away". Also the 4th wall thing)
My theory about Ruby's mom is that she's Dorothy Bell. They have the same hair and eye color, Dorothy has dealt with Sutekh before, and Ruby's theme is Carol of the BELLS.
its Mel, you have heard Mels though as it was the name Melody'Riversong used to be Amy's friend in school before going ott to kill hitler. although Mels is used for Melanie as a nickname.
She's called Mel. Short for Melanie. She used to run a greasy spoon diner in Arizona...I may have made that last bit up. 😂 Of all the characters I speculated might be returning, I must admit I never suspected Sutekh. I'm delighted that they got the same actor to do his voice again. I have a suspicion Mrs Flood may turn out to be a goody. It's just a hunch, I've got nothing to back it up with. Can't wait to see how it all turns out.
Given the new direction RTD is taking the Whoneverse in, adding the supernatural or cosmic deities. I would love a Unit spinoff. Bring back any former companions who want to play in the sandbox again. Do it as a procedural but with monsters and aliens. That would be dope. Also great reaction as usual.
@@leonardochapman4736 Series 3 - Mister Saxon = Master No. Six: Delgado, Pratt, Beevers, Ainley, Roberts...leading up to John Simm being revealed as 6th Master. I think they were skipping over 'quick cameo' Masters like Tipple & Jacobi though to make it work; or maybe combining the same version/different actors?
The Tardis legitamately frightened me this episode. I thought for a hot second that the Tardis was an imposter machine that had been replaced during Wild Blue Yonder. But that's when Sutekh decided to hitch a ride and wait until the road got less bumpy ti reveal his bad doggo nose.
Melanie is Mel. The Mels you are remembering was Amy Ponds schoolfriend Mels, which turned out to be short for Melody. Remember now? Mel was the companion when I first watched as a fan. [Time and the Rani] I didn't realise it was short for Melanie and I thought it was some kind of weird minimalist modernist sci-fi name. I soon watched Sarah and Harry, because the ABC didn't have enough 7th Doctor episodes to screen, so they alternated between 7th Doctor and 4th Doctor.
I genuinely had chills watching this one, I adore it man! It's a great reveal and great build up! Couldn't get enough. Going to be honest here, and this is SO small, like atom sized, but... I'm missing seeing the Doctor adorn the long trench coat, unique clothing. Like seeing the Doctor in the brown coat and blue pants reminds me that's their identity and I kind of miss that. I don't know, that doesn't take away from the episode's impact. Really good stuff, Season 14 has been amazing.
Great reaction; should also mention theres going to be a new Tales from the TARDIS coming this Thursday (UK only 8pm) covering Pyramids of Mars with 15 telling Ruby about his first meeting with Sutekh and its meant to be a brand new edit of the story with updated VFX
When I saw the Sutek reveal I thought of you and was glad you had seen Pyramid of Mars! Notice that Harbinger also mentioned the Mara, god of beasts which you also just reviewed recently
Yer right about Cherry Sunday being in danger from Mrs Flood! It’s not the first time one of the companions relatives got deleted by one of the Doctors enemies! Remember Tegan’s aunt who was killed by the Master soon after Teagan was introduced! Fifth Doctor ep. Timeflight!
I think Mrs Flood will be Susan. Its the slight of hand of waving one hand but the other hand has what you're looking for. Also Susan is a Chekov's gun at this point, so Mrs Flood being the more optimistic reveal that she is Susan makes sense at the very end.
Susan and the Doctor; Ruby and her mysterious mother; Rose and Donna; Maestro and the Toymaker; Carla and Cheryl Sunday; Kate and the Brigadier; the babies and Nanny (from Space Babies); Lindy and Penny Pepper-Bean; the Duke and the portrait; Splice and John (from Boom) What is it with parent/child relationships in this series? Clearly there's something inportant to the theme/story within it somehow?
Amid an ocean of callbacks and references, the UNIT soldier who goes with Ruby at the end is named 'Sullivan'. Whether she's a reference or a relative probably significantly affects her chances of surviving next weeks episode.
The new Tales of the TARDIS episode will be dropping on Thursday. And it sounds like it’ll be a connective tissue between this and the next episode. So you might possibly need to find a way to put it into your schedule before next week's Doctor Who reaction. 😅
Spoiler/ theory . . . . . . . . . . . Read only if you want to! . . . . . . . COL Ibrahim shares his name with a follower of sutekh from pyramids of Mars. He was not saluting the TARDIS... he was saluting sutekh.
Mrs. Flood could still be Susan. The Doctor tells Ruby one of the reasons a Time Lord can change is to "hide away". Mrs. Flood says, while she is hanging up her coat, "I feel like I've been hiding away forever sometimes". Or something like that. Susan can also be "one who waits", because The Doctor literally locked her out of Idris and abandoned her in the 22nd century. He did it out of love and so she could be with someone. But, still look at it from her viewpoint.....
The CHILLS I got when I heard Gabriel Woolf's voice as Sutekh again. He's 91 years old and it's been nearly 50 years since Pyramids Of Mars but his voice still oozes malevolence. Absolute legend!
He also voiced the beast in the Satan pit and impossible planet
This man has made a career out of terrifying the doctor and it's great
One of my favorite things about Gabriel Woolf's performance as Sutek is the calmness in his voice, which imho reflects the character's patience. This makes Sutek even more frighteningly because calm villians feel they have nothing to lose, that their opponents are beneath them, and that in their mind they're not a villian at all. This is why "Pyramids of Mars" is one of my favorite Classic stories and why Sutek has always scared the crap out of me. I'm looking forward to next week's episode and Jess's reaction.
Omn1Media also knew who he was! :D
No lie. His voice haunted my childhood in a way Darth Vader's never did. Sutekh!!!
@@DonnaLang42rockglobally It's so silk, and elegant, but it is slathered in malevolence. It's so perfect.
Once we realise Harriet is a Harbinger, her “I was born for this.” line takes on a whole new meaning.
Yah that was what I was thinking on my second watch😂 really puts it all in perspective
When she said that I knew there would be a flip involving her. No clue what it would be . . . But I suspected her.
Ooh!
"Doctor Who" actually was said in the first episode because of Susan.
The junkyard where they landed Idris was the "I. M. Foreman" junkyard.
Susan's fake last name was "Foreman" at Coal Hill School.
When two of her teachers followed her home, intrigued by her unearthly intelligence in class, they were introduced to The Doctor and one of them said "Nice to meet you, Dr. Foreman."
The Doctor replied "Doctor Who?"
I just realized upon rewatching what Harriet means when she says "I was born for this".
Yeah that scene hit so differently 2nd time around, mthis was amn awsome episode for me with one of my favourite one-time classic villains returning.
Jess’ reaction is the biggest one for me given she’s basically the only one with all the context needed.
The first thing I did was come looking for reactions to this episode and not a single one of them was familiar with classic Doctor Who. Ever since early this morning I kept refreshing this page waiting for her reaction. It seemed to come out a little later than normal and it was driving me crazy thinking that maybe she wouldn't do it until next week along with the second part. It is so so frustrating that there are dozens and dozens of people who react to Doctor Who but none of them are classic exposed.
Check out Liam Catterson...he had a proper reaction too!!
The only one?
7th hour films.
@@EH-bn3kf this, absolutely this - I've been subbed to him for a solid decade now
Torchwood Boy is another, but he's retiring from DW reactions after the finale so we've got very few of the OGs still left
It’s a good thing you’ve seen Pyramids of Mars and Kinda with that reference to the Mara!
But proceeds to talk about neither, oddly.
@@flaggerify In fairness the Doctor was talking at the same time the Mara is mentioned. She might've just missed it. She did mention the 4th Doctor though.
So glad you know Sutekh!!! So many reactors don’t understand the full impact of the reveal and it’s so good when they do!
Your timing on this episode immediately after Kinda so that the Mara reference is contextualized is absolutely perfect.
its unfortunate i think she may have missed the trickster and mara reference though (i could be wrong)
Was just about to say that! Great timing indeed
@@jakeoliver9167 I had to go back and turm the subtitles on to get that speech clearly
I only caught the Mara and Trickster references because of the subtitles. I was too busy picking my jaw the floor.
The circle is now complete. When you started your Doctor Who journey, you were but a learner. And here we are, where we behold your SPECTACULAR reaction to the revelation that somehow, Sutekh returned, and it shows that now YOU are the master of Doctor Who reactions, Jess.
I know! I discovered those first videos a while back and I'm like "That's a whole 'nother person" :)
Right?! Also I understood that reference 😂
Love her dedication. No small task to catch up on all that history.
I'll second that 😊
7th hour films has seen them all.
I was having a heart attack when it was revealed to be Sutekh. Another classic villain returning to new who is one of my favourite moments in the show!
More importantly from a story perspective, one who The Doctor was essentially powerless against. It was pure luck that saw Four win in PoM, and this seems to be the culmination of a very long game for Sutekh.
I really like that the show has been going with classic villains that aren’t the usual you’d expect them to bring back, especially for the finale cuz it would have been so easy to go with the popular choices
Plus I like that this first series of RTD’s second era is embracing the classic who history a bit more as opposed to 2005 (Which of course had stuff in there but didn’t have much to do with the classic series in there aside from the Doctor, Tardis, Daleks etc…
I do hope that if he has a form other than the giant Jackal in the next episode that they bring the glowing green eyes back as opposed to the red. The green eyes always stood out more to me for a villain, red is a bit over done by comparison.
the beatles were right the dog is indeed not dead
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When I heard that voice and realized they had gotten Gabriel Woolf back as sutekh I was floored! He was sutekh in Pyramids of Mars and he was the beast in the tenth doctor story The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit. He is 91 years old and that voice is still chilling to hear.
To quote Count Dooku, I’ve been looking forward to this
I can see Sutekh saying "My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Doctor."
“Twice the pride, double the fall.”
I love how closely knit the Doctor Who reactor community is. You 2 are some of my all-time favorites, and the first 2 on TH-cam to actually know who Sutekh is during the reveal.
They also name checked your favourite snake, The Mara.
Some call her Mel, some Mels as her name is Melanie. As for Sutekh the original actor Gabriel Woolf was brought back for this despite being 92!
10:09 love that Kate and the doctor's relationship is both of them completely ignoring each other's orders over and over
Kate was PISSED.
Not a word. Just that burning glare.
Yeah her soldiers are red shirts any time the doctor is around. Lives are lost around the Doctor. She respects him but is trying to keep her men safe. She is a good leader. She cares
Yeah, rethinking the “you bring Joy” reply to “I bring disaster.”
The doctor said "Sometimes we regenerate to hides ourselves away" & Mrs flood said "I'm always hiding myself away"
Wait a minute..
I don’t know if it’s just the lighting or what but I swear I saw a tooth shimmer for a split second when she smiles at one point.
I think she’s the Rani.
@@itsalexneyoh my period for years now she's been named dropped every time there's a mystery person that might be a Time lady. This is the first time it would actually fit. Especially with her comment that was kind of rude and callus but not straight up evil. I never thought of The Rani as a straight-up evil at all and not even a psychopathic as the master. Interesting.
Yes and I know Kate O'Mara was happy for someone else to take on the role when she retired from acting so long overdue @itsalexney
@@mikalmos369 her house number is #4 which is the number of letters in Rani. RTD said something about the doors being important. Her door is also tardis blue. Also he jokingly called the scene where the lady picked up the tooth as “the Ranis hand”..
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I love how Kate cares about her men. A true credit to unit and as the protector of the world
If any classic Companion is appropriate to meet out of order, it's Mel.
So Mrs Flood has been revealed as the greatest evil: The One Who Withholds Tea. Also Corporal Sullivan?!!
I know right? Almost nobody is commenting on there being a Sullivan currently working for unit. She had one line and she is drawn to the Forefront and name checked and she is also in the credits. Corporal Alice Sullivan. She must be Harry's daughter or granddaughter or something. I can't imagine that will go unaddressed next week especially considering who wrote the episode.
Yeah the Sullivans also was interesting.
However, reading the TARDIS wikia, one of the character in the Knock Knock episode of series 10. The boy that friends with Bill is said to be the grandson of Harry Sullivan, but they never pointed it out during that episode though~
Love this. Fourth wall breaking, tea with-holding (double meaning).
OMG! Harry Sullivan was listed for me as one of the longest serving companions. I totally missed the call out for the Sullivan.
I jumped off my couch screaming “NO F@&$!?% WAY!!!???” at the Sutekh reveal (not sure my neighbors appreciated that but, it is what it is)
Sutekh makes the Toymaker seem like an actual clown.
I'm betting on Susan being the woman who left Ruby, it would be just like RTD to tease it, use it as a misdirect and than use her in the end. And Carol Ann Ford is still active, or active enough to pull down a hood for a reveal.
I haven't been this giddy about a returning Doctor Who foe since John Simm's return in "World Enough and Time"! I'm super glad that I watched Tom Baker's era in the lead up to the 60th Anniversary so that this ending hit especially hard :)
49 years later and Sutekh has finally returned! Pyramids of Mars was one of the very first Doctor Who stories I ever watched and helped me in becoming the Whovian I am today, so having this two-part finale actually be a soft-sequel to that with Sutekh returning felt very special, satisfying and rewarding to me. Sutekh is, not just the best one-time Classic Who enemy, but one of my personal favourite Who enemies of all time with no other enemy feeling this powerful, omnipotent and unstoppable. The Doctor was (and still is) clearly scared to death of him, and Sutekh could easily control him, even when he was nearly powerless. The build-up to his return here was perfectly doom-laden and foreboding, and I can't believe they managed to bring back Gabriel Woolf (who's in his 90's now) to reprise him again. He was also the voice of The Beast in the Tenth Doctor story The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit, who Carla name-drops here, which leads to the possibility that The Beast was perhaps another form/reincarnation of Sutekh.
I've waited 43 years - since I first started the show as a kid - for THIS GUY to come back. For all of the rest of Classic and every single season of New, I've been waiting for HIM. I just about shat myself twice when it was revealed. It's like three Christmases in one.
@@charlesashe-nn2sf I feel the same, sutekh is my favorite villain in all fo Dr who. I will say, big finish has two great stories with sutekh also voiced by Gabriel
It's Melanie Bush aka Mel played by Bonnie Langford. I met her last year and she was so tight lipped. Won't mention anything about her until you meet her. There have been a couple of references to Pyramids of Mars earlier this series but never thought it would lead to this.
At 23:42, they mention "the Mara, God of Beasts". You just saw the Mara in "Kinda". :)
From what i could hear in the episode they name dropped the toymaker, maestro, Mara and i think the Trickster. The others im not sure on cause i didnt hear it completely clearly
@@Venemofthe888 Yeah. Toymaker, Trickster, Maestro and Mara were all mentioned. The threefold deity of Malice, Mischief and Misery might be referencing the Gods of Ragnarok? No idea about the others. I guess keep an eye out for Reprobate, Incensor, and her children Doubt and Dread in the future.
@@TheMoonRover That's what I thought, too. And the Mara is mentioned in the present tense. It's still out there.
Excited for this. You're one of the few reactors who've put in the work with the OG series so I knew you'd appreciate the big reveal!.
Gabriel Woolf's wife is an opera singer. I can only assume this must be part of the reason he's looked after his voice so well - it's nearly 50 years later, and he sounds great!
I think Sutekh and the Beast from Satan's Pit are one and the same. Same voice actor and both were called Satan and the Beast by the Doctor. When Tennant asked the Satan's Pit demon what devil he was he said, "All of them." And the devil image in Satan's Pit looks like Sutekh's old classic who design. Both possess the same powers as well.
When The Doctor explained regeneration to Ruby, he literally said "We can use it to change our face and hide ourselves away."
Mrs Flood 10 minutes later - "Im always hiding myself away."
She's a Timelord. They literally told us right to our face. How has every youtube reactor missed this 😂😂
Because they told us it was Susan Foreman for this ep and then it wasn't. A twist is meant to lead you down the obvious path only for it to be yanked away in the end. We all think she's a time lord, we just haven't seen the episode yet! So we can't speak in assurances.
She is either Susan Foreman or Iris Wildthyme
@@alandunbar4244 or Romana.
@@darrenrichardson6146 Or the Monk.
Or Rani
Hats off to Murray Gold in this, by the way. His themes have often been criticized for being intrusive, but in the epic sway of Ruby's central tragedy he really plays up to the visuals - which are, in themselves, Filmic.
Knowing you JUST watching Kinda, was waiting for this reaction to the Mara name-drop.
I love your love for Mel. She wasn't given the time to shine in the classic series, but RTD is fixing that. Amazing.
Mel vs. Mels: The redhead you see now is Melanie (Mel) Bush. Mel was a companion of Doctors Six and Seven, and she was EXTREMELY annoying back in the day. I love the older “Mad Auntie Mel” we have now.
Mels was a character affiliated with Doctor Eleven. We didn’t see her very long, but she was very important to the main characters at the time.
Mel has seriously leveled up since leaving the Seventh Doctor.
Congrats on being the only reactor I've seen thus far who knows who the flying fudge Sutekh even is. Every other reaction I've seen has just been, "who?" and it kinda takes the wind out of what is easily one of the sickest reveals in Doctor Who, imo.
Ngl
I genuinely thought the Sutekh was a new monster.
I generally did wanted a flashback (like The Giggle) to explain on what Harriet meant to make it simpler other than RTD expect you to know who the creature is.
I've just started my Classic Who , I'm about many seasons behind where Sutekh appears
Agree, I get Classic Who feels like a task to get through but it would be nice to see more reactions related to that. I’m only subbed to two Doctor Who reactors: Sesskasays and 7th Hour Films (he’s been going through Classic Who the same as Jess, but with his dad and they’re near the end) which I recommend, especially if you’re into history or the like.
@@samac4323 nope, old hat...go watch classic Doctor Who "The Pyramids of Mars" right now. If you can't find it anywhere else, it's on Vimeo.
@@tokublwhovianthere are others doing/have done the whole journey...
@@binrotheheretic8174 I’ve not seen them, so I’d appreciate you telling me their names.
I really like the switch up from the tardis being the safe place the doctor always makes it out to be- but sometimes, there is something that turns the tardis into part of the horror. It really cements the fact that they have no safe place unless this creature is stopped.
Gabriel Woolf's last outing on this show was voicing 'The Beast' in 'The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit' back in 2006 and it's notable that the Tardis also seems to have a bit of trouble at the beginning of that story too. And I only mention the beast because Carla seems to recognise it as such. Can we trust anyone? And how exactly do you get rid of a God that can possess you or kill you at will? It's all to play for...
Best Doctor Who reactor because you actually know your Who
…aaaand suddenly the massive reference to _Pyramids of Mars_ in _The Devil’s Chord_ makes sense.
What was the reference?
@@22dallas1 going to the future to show the companion how the earth is ruined because of a god
@@22dallas1 They've just posted a short of it on the Doctor Who channel.
Of the members of the Pantheon of Discord mentioned here, the audience (and The Doctor) has met five. Sutekh, The Toymaker, Maestro, The Trickster and The Mara.
Honestly the best reactor ever
I adore that you've been going through Classic 'Who and could react with the appropriate amount of "oh shit, now we're in trouble" at the reveal ❤
There is a new episode of Tales of the TARDIS dropping this week, it's most likely going to cover Pyramids of Mars.
*me watching* "Its the beast" omg its the devil back. "gabriel woolfs voice" omg it IS the devil back. "Sutekh" OMG.
that one line from carla, saying "its the beast" was genius writing in my opinion. I may have worked out it was sutekh. But because of that line, i thought they were teasing the devil, voiced by the same man. And that made the sutekh reveal that much more shocking and amazing
Mel was in The Giggle, so you have seen her before. It was great to see her in this too. It's a very enjoyable episode albeit intense and edge-of-your-seat stuff. Looking forward the finale, although this season has flown by and I am not ready for it to end.
This is one of those moments where you can really be thankful (and empowered) for having watched older episodes.
I don’t think The Doctor thought she was Susan because they just happens to have the same name otherwise Matt Smith would think The Horse called Susan is also his granddaughter. The original anagram being Tardis and her being everywhere he goes. Is why he thought it was her
That being a obvious thing makes it the perfect trap for the real villain and honestly by planting her throughout the episodes would make the doctor suspicious to investigate and lead the doctor straight to the plan
The Doctor said that Timelords can regenerate to hide away. Mrs Flood says she is mostly hiding away. Mrs Flood is probably the real Susan, or at least another Timelord.
As a fan, my earliest memory, the episode that hooked me into "Doctor Who" back in the 70's, was “Pyramids of Mars“ with Tom Baker's 4th Doctor. OMG!!!
To see my first Whovian villain, Sutekh (and the honor of hearing him reprised by Gabriel Woolf), on screen for the first time in nearly 50 years... Yes, i was screaming with that reveal. Also, I'm glad to see your recognition of this character.
Great reaction.
I started watching your journey when you had only just begun it. Now we have Sutekh back, and you’re literally one of the ONLY reactors to know what that even means. It’s honestly crazy to see how far your Who journey has taken you. I think you’ve technically seen more of the Classic era than I have at this point. As a fellow fan and reactor to your reactions, I couldn’t be more proud.
That whole scene in the Time Window is the most scared I've been by Doctor Who in years, normally I'm like 'adventure scared' but this was actual horror-suspense fear as Soldier Dude from Cheetham Hill stepped out of sight. Best scene of this whole season for me, everything looked so real (and yes I've watched the behind-the-scenes and I know why) and just really tapped into something inside me, including the music which was excellent. I'm so glad you've reacted to some of the Classic stuff because honestly I wouldn't have caught those references if I hadn't watched your reactions, so you genuinely made this a much better pre-finale for me, thank you very much!
By far, my FAVORITE reveal in the history of the show. I saw it coming, but my heart was still racing.
One of the names mentioned by the "Harbinger" avatar is the three fold deity....the three fold man is a name Dalek Caan referred to the Doctor back in Journeys End. The Doctor also has Three names now, Timeless Child, The Doctor, The Valeyard
My predictions: Ruby’s “mom” is actually the Trickster, and she is actually the Harbringer of the Trickster
Susan Foreman will show up for real
We’ll get a reveal that Sutekh and The Beast are the same entity
Cheery an ms Flood were both Divas on a soap called Eastenders, which Mel was also on...This is basically an easteneders reunion. And you need to look at Cherry as Yolande,. The make up is stunning. She's a lot younger than she looks here.
It’s hard to believe they are the same actor. Yolande is married to Patrick Truman played by Rudolph Walker who was Harper (American civil war soldier) in The War Games
Kept refreshing the page for a day, I've been excited to see your take on this one.
Oh, I was waiting for your reaction as someone who I know would know who Sutekh is.
I was hanging out to see your reaction at the reveal, hoping you had seen Pyramids of Mars. You did not disappoint!.
As an aside, seriously have look at the behind the scenes video for his episode. The scene in the time window was originally supposed to be all green screen. The VFX team did some amazing work on actually creating the scene so the actors could see it, and it could move with the camera without the expense of Star Trek's AD Wall.
Don't tell the other reaction channels, but yours was the one I was most looking forward to for this episode - especially since you've seen Pyramids of Mars.
This is one of the best reveal/cliffhangers we've had in... a _long_ while! And it's so cool they managed to get Gabriel Woolf back to play Sutekh again, after all these years!
Way back in the Sarah Jane Adventures, they mentioned that the Trickster was part of the "Pantheon of Discord". I'm glad that's finally being expanded upon -- and I loved that they established a bunch of god-like beings from the Classic series as part of the Pantheon. The Toymaker, the Mara, and of course Sutekh himself!
Okay I’m going out on the biggest limb here but hear me out… Kate says to the Doctor ‘how can you have a granddaughter before a daughter?’ Now Susan has been a constant theme so far along with who is Ruby. Now what if and a big one at that Ruby is somehow the doctors daughter and Susan’s mother. Maestro said this ‘creature is very wrong’ which could be taken as maestro thought Ruby was human but after trying to kill her they realised there’s something else going on. Leading to the question of not what was Suetekh doing on Ruby road but why would a human baby be so important? Like I said huge limb and I’m probably very wrong but I like this theory so don’t slaughter me😂
I do find it a little weird to be so against Triad being Foreman (but not fully unreasonable or anything), we were given the TARDIS anagram too and a clear sign that Susan Foreman is going to be involved in some capacity, so it was never just the name Susan. (Also like, no reason it couldn't still be a Chameleon Arch) I stand by that even after the end of this episode, we still don't know Susan Triad's true deal, even if it now seems more likely that if Foreman's hidden in this story somewhere, it's Mrs Flood, not her (Doc: "Time Lords can regenerate their faces, it can save us from death or we can use it to hide ourselves away" almost the very next scene, Mrs Flood: "I'm always hiding myself away". Also the 4th wall thing)
My theory about Ruby's mom is that she's Dorothy Bell. They have the same hair and eye color, Dorothy has dealt with Sutekh before, and Ruby's theme is Carol of the BELLS.
The way I've been refreshing YT since the episode dropped! most anticipated reaction and as always didn't disappoint!
its Mel, you have heard Mels though as it was the name Melody'Riversong used to be Amy's friend in school before going ott to kill hitler. although Mels is used for Melanie as a nickname.
She's called Mel. Short for Melanie. She used to run a greasy spoon diner in Arizona...I may have made that last bit up. 😂 Of all the characters I speculated might be returning, I must admit I never suspected Sutekh. I'm delighted that they got the same actor to do his voice again. I have a suspicion Mrs Flood may turn out to be a goody. It's just a hunch, I've got nothing to back it up with. Can't wait to see how it all turns out.
Given the new direction RTD is taking the Whoneverse in, adding the supernatural or cosmic deities. I would love a Unit spinoff. Bring back any former companions who want to play in the sandbox again.
Do it as a procedural but with monsters and aliens. That would be dope.
Also great reaction as usual.
I love how they took a jab at anagrams (Susan TARDIS vs Sue Tech) since they kinda overdid them during RTD1 (Torchwood, Mister Saxon, etc.)
what was mister saxon??
@@leonardochapman4736 Series 3 - Mister Saxon = Master No. Six: Delgado, Pratt, Beevers, Ainley, Roberts...leading up to John Simm being revealed as 6th Master. I think they were skipping over 'quick cameo' Masters like Tipple & Jacobi though to make it work; or maybe combining the same version/different actors?
@@BeagleBabyBeastie oh of course, thank you!
@@leonardochapman4736 👍🐕
The Tardis legitamately frightened me this episode. I thought for a hot second that the Tardis was an imposter machine that had been replaced during Wild Blue Yonder. But that's when Sutekh decided to hitch a ride and wait until the road got less bumpy ti reveal his bad doggo nose.
Or was it when the Doctor duplicated it after beating the Toymaker?
@@bustedsim Begs the question...did he duplicate Sutekh as a result of that or did he decide to hitch up with 15 instead of 14 for some reason.
On another forum, I saw someone point out that the first time we saw Sutekh the focus of his prison was a ruby.
I got the Daffodil joke. That would be one heck of a crossover!
When i saw the sutekh reveal, I immediately couldn't wait for your reaction to this episode. This episode was just so good.
They mentioned the Mara, which is timely.
Oh sick, I figured you'd know about Sutekh! Pretty nutty episode, hope the second part can stick the landing.
18:45 RTD writes Mel so well, I adore her and I haven't even gotten to her eps in classic who
Rtd is great at fleshing his characters out. I do wish he'd blend some of moffat's domestics tho. I want to hang around inside the Tardis.
I don't know what's going to happen in the finale... but Carole Ann Ford, the original Susan from S1 E1... is still alive...
Mels is what the doctor calls her. Mel is the normal nickname. Her name is Melanie.
I was so looking forward to your reaction because I knew YOU knew who he was.
Is it too much to hope for robot mummies?
I agree.
Muscle mummies please
Melanie is Mel.
The Mels you are remembering was Amy Ponds schoolfriend Mels, which turned out to be short for Melody. Remember now?
Mel was the companion when I first watched as a fan. [Time and the Rani] I didn't realise it was short for Melanie and I thought it was some kind of weird minimalist modernist sci-fi name. I soon watched Sarah and Harry, because the ABC didn't have enough 7th Doctor episodes to screen, so they alternated between 7th Doctor and 4th Doctor.
I genuinely had chills watching this one, I adore it man! It's a great reveal and great build up! Couldn't get enough. Going to be honest here, and this is SO small, like atom sized, but... I'm missing seeing the Doctor adorn the long trench coat, unique clothing. Like seeing the Doctor in the brown coat and blue pants reminds me that's their identity and I kind of miss that. I don't know, that doesn't take away from the episode's impact. Really good stuff, Season 14 has been amazing.
Great reaction; should also mention theres going to be a new Tales from the TARDIS coming this Thursday (UK only 8pm) covering Pyramids of Mars with 15 telling Ruby about his first meeting with Sutekh and its meant to be a brand new edit of the story with updated VFX
I'm calling it. Ruby's mother is Sutekh.
Ruby is Maestro's sister.
I'm hoping for Ruby's mom to be the 13th Doctor, since they're throwing out the rules concerning the Doctor's family history.
When I saw the Sutek reveal I thought of you and was glad you had seen Pyramid of Mars! Notice that Harbinger also mentioned the Mara, god of beasts which you also just reviewed recently
Yer right about Cherry Sunday being in danger from Mrs Flood! It’s not the first time one of the companions relatives got deleted by one of the Doctors enemies! Remember Tegan’s aunt who was killed by the Master soon after Teagan was introduced! Fifth Doctor ep. Timeflight!
You mean Logopolis?
Well it is nice to see a reaction was from someone who gets all these references to Sutekh, the Mara, the Trickster etc.
Her name is Melanie Bush, Mel for short.
I think Mrs Flood will be Susan. Its the slight of hand of waving one hand but the other hand has what you're looking for. Also Susan is a Chekov's gun at this point, so Mrs Flood being the more optimistic reveal that she is Susan makes sense at the very end.
Susan and the Doctor; Ruby and her mysterious mother; Rose and Donna; Maestro and the Toymaker; Carla and Cheryl Sunday; Kate and the Brigadier; the babies and Nanny (from Space Babies); Lindy and Penny Pepper-Bean; the Duke and the portrait; Splice and John (from Boom)
What is it with parent/child relationships in this series? Clearly there's something inportant to the theme/story within it somehow?
there's a massive story about adoption and orphans especially
Looks like watching Pyramids of Mars paid off.
Had to watch your pyramids of mars videos before you uploaded haha. Awesome reaction as always
I have been waiting for this video to drop ever since the episode aired 👀
Im so glad that RTD is bringing one of the most iconic villains of Classic Who into this generation. Let's hope he sticks the landing next week!
Amid an ocean of callbacks and references, the UNIT soldier who goes with Ruby at the end is named 'Sullivan'. Whether she's a reference or a relative probably significantly affects her chances of surviving next weeks episode.
The new Tales of the TARDIS episode will be dropping on Thursday. And it sounds like it’ll be a connective tissue between this and the next episode. So you might possibly need to find a way to put it into your schedule before next week's Doctor Who reaction. 😅
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COL Ibrahim shares his name with a follower of sutekh from pyramids of Mars. He was not saluting the TARDIS... he was saluting sutekh.
Mrs. Flood could still be Susan.
The Doctor tells Ruby one of the reasons a Time Lord can change is to "hide away". Mrs. Flood says, while she is hanging up her coat, "I feel like I've been hiding away forever sometimes". Or something like that.
Susan can also be "one who waits", because The Doctor literally locked her out of Idris and abandoned her in the 22nd century. He did it out of love and so she could be with someone. But, still look at it from her viewpoint.....
Mel is from Colin baker era of classic who