I’ve had a Mini Electric for 2 years now, it’s a brilliant little car. Admittedly I’ve got a home charger so that makes it easier, 95 percent of my journeys are local. I’ve been on a few longer trips with it, I’ve found that avoiding motorway service areas and using InstaVolt has meant that those trips have been hassle free.
“Not too bad” seems to sum the whole thing up. In my current diesel I could do that week without having to refuel. Planning where to recharge, dicking around with a charging cable in the rain, driving a car numbed by the extra weight, all compromises I guess we’ll have to accept to save the planet. One question: how much electricity is it polite to “borrow “ when staying with friends 🤔
I find living with a Fiat 500e with a typical range of 160 miles far more convenient than running my previous ICE car that could do 320 miles on its small fuel tank. But this is because of home charging which does make all the difference, as you say.
I think that's what most EV nay-sayers miss. Ok, long-distance trips are a bit less convenient, but the other 95% of your driving is far more convenient. Why so much focus on the tiny minority of journeys? And sure, if you don't have easy access to a home or work charger, things are a bit more awkward, and maybe an EV isn't for you. But, the infrastructure will improve, and there will be ICE cars around for 20 years yet. There's no rush.
Petrol I live in a top floor maisonette and I only use a granny on an 18 amp extension cable with a blue BS standard commando socket on my exterior wall.I run the extension 4 meters up my path way cable clipped to a neighbours fence then into two black cable heavy rubber Protectors across the pavement (naughty) . Then I have the granny and socket inside a plastic box under the car which I tested in a car wash waterproofed . No issues quiet street about a year so far . Hopefully stay all good . Looking to get Economy 10 so pick up cheap rate overnight charging .
Just finished a long EV trip from Fareham to blackpool and back with no real issues. Trip up I went via chesterfield to drive through the Derby dales. Mg5 standard range was brilliant. No issues with finding or using the public chargers on the way.
So, let me get this right. 518 miles at 3.1 miles per kW, is 167kW used. I can't speak for your friends electricity bill but my Octopus Go, on off peak, is 7.14p per kW, so it would have cost me £12.53 at todays (higher) rates. With petrol at around £7.50 a gallon (a lot more on the motorway and/or with diesel), you'd need a car that did 310 miles per gallon to be as cost effective. If you used my normal daytime electricity rate it would have cost me £54.48 for 518 miles which is equal to finding a car that does 69 mpg. All cars do less than manufacturers state, ICE included, so I'm not sure why the lower range is such a big deal. Let's face it, range didn't matter one bit in your week and 518 miles. My experience - 39,000 miles in a BEV over 19 months, no real problem charging and HUGE savings. Yes, I have a home charger, you need one of those. Yes, I have off peak, you need that too but if I have to go on a long trip, 500 miles plus, in a day, mostly on mostly on motorways, I'll take my EV rather than my 4.2 V8 which is great in the country but batting up and down the motorways? not as good as the luxurious, quiet, smooth riding EV.
Damn 7p per KW is cheap, my electric up here in Scotland is 30 pence per KW of electricity and public chargers can be as much as 90 pence per KW so I've heard , I have a diesel jeep renegade that is mega cheap on diesel easy get 60 to 70 mpg but will be moving from my current village which is ten miles from my work to the town i work in soon so will seriously thinking about an EV in the future, Mach e or ford explorer or Kia ev6 and also mg4 trophy if want cheaper one 👍
Having a 7kw charger depends on your daily mileage (as you stated). My 13 Amp "Granny" charger charges at 2 to 2.5kw (select the charging current required) so in 10 hours charges my battery (58kW) to about 40%. If you keep topping up the battery then do you really need to spend £1,500 (charger plus install cost) on a 7kW charger ? The saving can be spent on public chargers. Public DC charging at 50 kW or higher shortens the life of the battery.
I kind of agree with you about the big screen, but there should sill be dials or knobs for some functions, I still think a massive screen in the middle is too distracting. Maybe its something to get used to. Lacking in the toy department is a good thing. This proves it can be done, its a shame that cars like the Mach E are so expensive
I've had no problems using an EV for long journeys and staying at places away from home: 7400km around europe this last summer, including 3000km in 3 days from norway to the UK. It is best to think of an EV as "different", not better or worse than an ICE. If you can modify your routine to include charging whilst you are doing something else (sleeping, walking the dog, visiting your mistress) then you lose absolutely no time to charging cos you are doing stuff you would do anyway. But if you treat it like an ICE and go to "refuel" at a station when it gets low on charge, well then it will be more inconvenient.
OK for people who can charge at home, or even have a driveway to park it next to their house. Not so great for people who have to battle for a parking space on the street often 100 yards away from where they live. Working at a main dealership for a brand which was at the forefront of EV's (Hyundai), the delivery drivers who took the brand new cars to customers used to hate them. It would often take them all day to deliver a car across the country, because the range was never the 300 miles it should have been, and trying to find a working charger, and when they did, having to queue to use it, made the journey twice as long as it would have been in an ice car. So, I'm not an EV hater, but they are not for everyone.
@@DjNikGnashers - What you are describing is actually a single problem - charging network. Which i will freely confess is a problem in many places. It can be done though, Norway proves it. It just needs investment and some leadership from the government. Even if you don't have home charging, so long as they put reasonably priced 6-11kW chargers in public and business car parks you can charge while you shop or work. I didn't have a home charger for the first 14 months of EV ownership - i just charged at work. Home charging is better though. I actually had no problem charging in the UK this summer. I just plugged in at the supermarket and shopping centres where i was staying. Again, i integrated the charging into the other stuff i was doing so it didn't waste any of my time. Some of the chargers (Pod Point) were even free to use. But in France i got 5 failed chargers out of 5 attempts (excluding Tesla chargers). That did cause some inconvenience.
@@DjNikGnashers I have to say this line of debate against EV's is very out of date. I don't have charging at home, with the way UK energy costs are now even with an Octopus type tariff (and they are only one of 2 providers now I believe), the trade off for your 'cheap' 4 hours is higher standing charge and unit prices for the other 18 hours than a standard variable rate; this means it's not really a cost efficient way presently. So I use public infrastructure and as an example, in September for just over 500 miles it's cost me £25 in charging, that's three supercharger sessions, two of which were on 250kWh chargers for £15 and one on a 50kWh charger for £10, the rest of the time on free public chargers at 7kWh. I'm sure with time some of the free charging will be withdrawn which will be a shame yet inevitable, but it's easy enough to public charge, the timing is different. Either charge when you are at the shops, eating out, cinema and for me I'll often take my bike in my car, plug the car in to charge somewhere and go for a bike ride for a few hours within the confines of the parking policy at the charger station so I get exercise and recharged! Admittedly I've just seen the range drop now temps are down in the teens rather than summer but the car when on the move is accurate in its range prediction and still does 220+ miles with range to spare and gives plenty of time / distance to top up, after all you are supposed to stop every 2-3 hours for a break when driving so the maximum you could theoretically do is 200-210 miles at UK national speed limit anyway.
Infrastructure still has a long way to go, but I had a Renault Zoe for a few days from Hendy Portsmouth and it was a fantastic little thing. Quick as anything, comfortable, great looking, and range was pretty decent for a small car
Great video as usual... I live on the coast in North Essex... I drive to Blackpool on a regular basis... M6 Rugby services. The infrastructure is getting better. One pedal driving and adaptive cruise control. Never touch the brakes... Best car ever
One thing on J-ems video was the fact that EV make more sense in cities and towns he used London as an example however he said that they'd be the worst places to own one as very few people have off road parking at home so would surely need to use public charges mainly. Is there a massive difference in cost between charging at home and in public?
I am a Scot living in Austria within an apartment and getting the management company who look after the facility to be pro active is a nightmare. So, getting them to install a charging unit and then how to stop parking wars breaking out will need the UN involvement. However, what I would remind you, whilst the public charging is expensive, there is the environmental benefits
Hi, Pete. Your comment that suggested that someone might get away with a granny charger (depending on typical mileage) sort of leads me to my own view on why there is a degree of resistance to EVs……which is……..Currently anyone can buy an ICE car, and no matter where they live, they can get it fuelled up fairly easily. However, when (if) we are all obliged to buy EVs, there will be many people who simply cannot charge at home, whether it’s a granny charger or proper wall box. There’s just no way they can charge…eg. from the 3rd floor in a block of flats. So these people will have to use public chargers….which are more expensive than home charging, plus (currently) have a bit of a reputation of being harder to find, or don’t work. My point is, what was ‘easy’ for everyone before, has now become harder for others, so for there to be resistance has to be expected, and more importantly, allowed for. For example, if the government are to insist that everyone must now buy an EV (from 2030, for new cars), then they have to address how people who cannot home charge should ‘easily’ charge their cars. Otherwise they are just putting up a barrier without offering a solution. …..imho…..!
I had the this as a press car for a week and don’t have a way of charging it at home other than a horrible 3 pin charger and even then had to park on my front lawn 😳. Good car terrible infrastructure
When I had it for a week I was getting 3.6 but was not doing longer trips like this (into town and a few shorter trips) I could not live with a 3 pin Charger and cannot have 1 fitted either (rented house) and only 1 public 50 kw charger within 20 minutes
Spot on review 👍. I have a home charger and am putting one in at work. You just adapt and get used to thinking slightly differently but with a 300 mile range, it’s never a problem. Interestingly shopping centres are a decent place to charge I’ve found. Eastbourne is free, even Brighton is half reasonable.
Electric cars ain't for me right now. I travel to Cornwall a lot, and its just a total nightmare. I had one for a month, it just didn't work for me. Long distance you gotta use public charging and that network is terrible to say the least. Charging at service stations my god its almost a joke. Only spend two hours in there, if someone's on it you've got no chance, then you get off that motorway in search of a charger, then you gotta charge it, 2 or 3 hours added to my journey, total nightmare.
Sounds like a lack of planning more than charging issues though? EV is different but not hard. I travel all over the UK. Mid West Wales is by far the worst area for charging but it’s still doable.
I go all over the country and that’s the reason I got a Tesla for the charging network not the car, I would not like to do what I do using non tesla chargers
@@MrPindie oh honestly mate i planned it, but when you plan to stop and the charger is in use for a hour or even broken its so frustrating. They are constantly broken. When i pulled into a service station on the m5 there was two using the charger, i waited for 1 hour 15 minutes for them to come back so i could only get 45 minutes charg otherwise you get a fine for being there for 2 hours or more. I travel to Cornwall from Birmingham in a day, which in a normal fuel car its very doable but in a electric car it is just not. The Polstar that i had was brilliant, i loved driving it. And also i don't know about this planning thing, should we have to. Sometimes i don't have time to, i have to go. Around town absolutely fine, long journeys it is just impossible
Your experience with the Mustang E confirms to me that EVs are not yet at a developement stage where they can replace an ICE vehicle. First of all I have yet to see an EV that lives up to it’s claimed range. But the most convincing argument for me is the constant focus on charging points and remaining charge. The added stress of that, would make every drive a chore, and one I wouldn’t take on voluntarily! I’ll let others deal with the hassles of EVs.
Range is only a problem when you have a journey close to it. At other times you wake up every day with a full charge and never worry about it. In 2 months I have yet to charge to Mach-E in public. True hassle free motoring 👍
You have to keep in mind that 40odd % of uk homes currently don't have option of charging at home, even with a granny charger and I saw some figures (not some anti ev person ) that at today's prices non home charging cost same or more that ice.
An interesting video I viewed with purpose. A lady decided to square her vehicle up whilst parking partly on a pavement, and pulled out straight into my Mazda MX30 colliding with the rear suicide door. My insurance company arranged for a courtesy car equivalent and ‘hey-presto’ they delivered a Mach-E to my home. It’s fantastic to drive and especially to see also on the screen 270 miles of charge. I had to blink twice to make sure that’s what it said. It’s a dream as the MX30 is lucky to get to 128 miles during warmer climate after a full charge. Certainly it’s far superior to the Mazda. Thanks also for explaining what the Whisper mode is. The vehicle came with no guide, so every little helps. Well done Pete and thanks. 👍👍
Really helpful video Pete. Your experience is very similar to mine. Only charge at public networks when absolutely necessary. For me that's only when on road trips - which are about 6 a year. At home I use a combo of 3 pin granny charging and 7Kw Zappi charger as the 3 pin gave me access to the Intelligent Octopus tariff, where Octopus choose when is best to charge overnight - least strain on the grid and best for renewables as well. Hotels I've been to that don't have a 7Kw charge point often have 3 pin external socket and let me charge on that - mostly for free! Like some of the comments here I find it easier than fossil fuel, cheaper and a more pleasant drive in an EV.
I usually agree with a lot of what you say. However, this time, your comment about people not having a petrol station at home so why have lots of charging stations was a bit blinkered. Your lovely house with your nice driveway and double car-port is perfect for that and good for you, but what you seem to have missed is the fact a lot of people don’t have that. They either live in back to back terraced houses with only on-street parking or in flats/apartments with communal parking so don’t have the luxury of home charging so the ONLY option is to use charge stations and the fact is that there simply aren’t enough currently and charging takes way too long. Just my opinion, not everyone is able to charge at home
My first time watching your video, got to say I loved it. Well done, gonna watch more of them, thanks. I love my Mustang Mach E GT Performance. It may not be as range efficient as Tesla and Hyundai, but the interior quality and comfort level blows them both away. As a former Model 3 owner, I wouldn’t go back if I could. Teslas interior is too minimalistic for me. I don’t go on too many long trips in my Mach E but the few times I did, it was not a burden, there is always some place to eat or a Starbucks near all the chargers. Commuting to work has never been so fun. :) as far as suspension softening, the GT with Magnaride got it right, still a little bouncy but much better and this is a performance vehicle and suspension should be a little stiff.
I’ve owned a Mach-E for the last 4 months and here are my observations. The estimated range is always too conservative. Near a full charge, the car predicts an efficiency of 2.75 mi/kWh. In mild weather, I typically get 3.3 mu/kWh. I would use the efficiency rating you are getting to predict range over what the car is saying (the long-range version has 91 usable kWh). The car will do better at predicting range the lower the battery gets, but seems to reset itself after a charge. I could be wrong, but I believe Drive Modes will not affect efficiency. I was told the Drive Modes only change the handling of the car (steering, acceleration, regen braking, etc…) but have little effect on the battery usage. So use the mode that you enjoy the most. Finally, someone recommended reducing the mid-tones in the audio settings. After I tried it, I found the sound system was even better! Love my Mach-E! Such a great car and I pay pennies per kWh vs what I was paying for petrol. Fun to drive, comfortable. Great to find another one that loves theirs, too. Cheers!
I'm amazed that in the 21st century that The UK has so many village roads that are barely wide enough for 1 modern car, nevermind 2. And even some of the 2 lane roads are sketchy on the width, especially with no road shoulders.
So 3 weeks in with my model Y i have found that as obvious as it seems, it really pays to have the thing in chill mode, turn off the ac and monitoring the driving to get the most out of the thing. More so than with a normal car because I cant remember not doing those things have too much of an impact.
The whole range thing goes back to what Mr PP said.... Poor range. Your end on efficiency of 3.1 really shows that it is actually poor compared to advertised range. For me the Mach E is too expensive for too little.... A more extreme example of that is the Jaguar iPace.
For a £50K+ car I would expect better. My mate in the village has one, he's slightly disappointed with it. I'll stick to my liquid-dinosaur fueled, 13 year old C30 for now at 70 mpg (and the 'bike - getting a bit chilly in the mornings going to work, soon time to tuck her up for the winter).
Within 1/2 mile of my place there are about 200-300 houses.... Not one street charger..... And I have found out that you can`t make Batteries without using lots of OIL.....Funny old World :-)))
Exactly. A lot of EV owners conveniently forget that although 'they' might think they are being all green by driving around 'their' area with no emissions, they forget to mention that mining the raw materials and manufacturing the batteries concentrates all that pollution in one place. Not so great for the people who live nearby. And half the electricity id still produced by fossil fuels anyway lol.
@@DjNikGnashers Can you imagine how many batteries you would need to power a 50 ton Quarry tipper truck?????? Not going to happen..... See an Interview on "Harry`s Garage" when he chats to the CEO of JCB.... Very interesting well worth a watch.. :-))
They've just built 750 houses on 3 green fields near me. None have EV chargers fitted. None have solar panels and some have parking spaces that are not even outside their house.
At least you did not slag the ride, comfort and dynamics off like most other reviewers do and a good explanation of the big screen and functions well done again
Thanks for the update on the Mach E. Have you seen the EV video on the JayEmm channel? He pointed out that commuting like you did in this video is perfect for an EV. You proved the theory and its great to see that you try it out rather than just giving an opinion on the subject. Cheers!
Really good video. We’ve just bought an EV, so going through the same thought process. I’m stating the obvious, but higher speed equals much reduced range. The quoted range for our car only becomes reality when driving around town. Hit country lanes / dual carriageways / motorways, then the range is 60% quoted for us.
Ours had to go , ride unacceptable and interior build quality iffy , got our money back on it though ( 6 months ownership) . Now got an Jaguar iPace , it’s lush ! With the lower apr on the finance (2.9%) not much different on the monthly’s .
Great video Pete, I've only recently picked up my Kuga PHEV which I love and I'm getting great range from the battery much more than what Ford claim, I do really like the Mach E and I would change to it without hesitation after my term has finished with my Kuga
The range is entirely dependent on the driving it has been doing on recent journeys. At 60mph our i-pace does about a mile for every mile in the range indicator. At 50mph, say on a lazy A road journey we can get more than a mile for every mile of range and after a day of that kind of driving the indicated range gets up much closer to the published range. If there is any driving at over 60mph or any spirited driving the range falls. Given how good the Jag is to hustle along, we seldom see more than about 225 range when we have a full battery!
Nice video. It shows that you can in fact survive charging at home. The only real need for fast charging is for long trips. I live in OZ, and you can easily do a 5000 miles road trip. In an interesting twist, I have had a MINI electric (Cooper SE over here) for over 2 years, and I only have a granny charger at home. I get around 150 miles per charge (yes the quoted range is that far out), and it takes about 4 hours per 25% from the wall. Small light EVs are very efficient - I average 5+ miles/kWh, and can hit 6 on good days.This equates to around 10 miles/hour chargin on the wall socket. More than enough. Not bad for a "compliance" car as some call the MINI (it wasn't a ground up EV). Anyway, if you can do it in a Mch E, then pretty much any EV can survive on the wall. Really enjoyable video - keep up the good work.
I have owned a Kia E-Niro since March and I have never (and don’t expect) to use a public charger. I have a home charger and live in Swansea so I can easily get to anywhere in eastern South Wales and western South Wales and back each day. I have yet to travel to England yet though. My cat has 289 mile range on a full charge
Great living with review Sir Pete!! I was really looking forward to this video. Definitely good and helpful information taken away for this video. The only disappointment of the mach e I’d say is that it seems the extended range option to get ya 300 miles a charge dosent actually get ya there. Other then that the mach e seems like a home run! Especially in that red color! I’m honestly not a Tesla car fan. I think there cool but there all over. The mach e’s are around but there on a 7 teslas to one mach e ratio where I live. Hopefully you’ll get the mach e gt to review to! Hope you and Mrs G have a great week this week Sir Pete!
Evening PP Being waiting on this video I do like Mach E especially the GT Performance Saw my first one yesterday in that cyber orange. Still on the fence on owning one as no driveway at home and the charging network in Glasgow is poor.
Great video 👍 - having just got myself a petrol car (I decided my life needed the added drama of a hot-hatch) in addition to the daily-drive EV, I would say with a tethered home charger, living with an EV is far less faff than having to go out an fill up with petrol… and despite the tabloid headlines, a f**k load cheaper! Get home, shove the plug in, walk away and come the morning full battery 🙂 However, if you had to rely on public charging then it would be a completely different scenario… 🤔
Hi Ped I found this update very interesting, well done. Think we are on the same wavelength on so many issues , but I have to say I have not reached the point where I would consider changing to EV. Perhaps before the final demise of the ICE there will be further improvements to come with charging infrastructure, battery technology etc, but we will have to navigate more urgent problems.😥 Namely cost of living crisis, energy crisis, political uncertainty and in worst case civil unrest. Not the time to consider buying an EV.😬
Only if I could have a petrol pump on my driveway would I consider going back. I don't do mega long drives, monthly Edinburgh to Milton Keynes but that's about it.
That was very interesting.Looks like a good car.I like the ease of the large screen,you explained that very well.The cost of the full charge on the wall box has got me thinking.I reckon that on an average working week with the amount of miles I do I would only have to charge once.
First time i've seen someone mention in a review that if you can charge at home you might never, or very rarely need public charging stations. I don't like people comparing cars and deciding which is the best car in a review when all they're comparing is tesla vs other charging infrastructure. I'm never going to need to charge away from home, so tell me which is the best car.
I don’t need a 300 mile range EV - we rarely do that sort of distance even in a week and have an ICE estate for this so got a Peugeot e208 as our second car - real world range probably about 180 miles. We just have a 3-pin charger for this and and as it’s only a 45 kWh useable battery we can add about 65-70 miles overnight with this. Works absolutely fine in these circumstances. Only done one longer journey of 240 miles round trip with one public charging stop (66p kWh!). No issues worked fine. I think if you have modest mileage requirements a smaller EV makes huge sense. For higher mileages/lots of public charging not sure yet but I hope over time car prices will reduce and infrastructure will improve - I can see us getting a bigger EV in 3 years time.
Most manufacturers only recommend charging between 20-80% to prolong battery life so kind of makes a mockery of the full range of EV's plus public charging has gone up considerably recently.
Yeah but 99% of journeys are under 100 miles, the average trip is 10 miles. All of which very achievable by a battery. Still 7.5p overnight at home on octopus Go, agile tariff paid people to charge last weekend there was so much wind power going spare. Plenty of people with a drive and no EV (millions) before we need to start helping people without a drive charge easily. Then of course there's thing's like co charge and plug share where a neighbour sells you their plug for the night for cost or a profit, because it's rare to need the miles every night. It's really not so much of a problem as people make out.
4p per kW h, full charge for 4 pound for a 100kwh battery sounds amazing, truth is 4 hrs at that 4p rate. 7kwh charger. 28kw h charge per nights at 4 p rate. So nearly 4 nights charging will get you "a full tank" at the quoted rate. Honesty and clarity is needed.
Yeah so you can get your 4p rate for up to 126 miles a night or at least my miles/kWh is 4.5 so it works out that way. So could satisfy an annual mileage of 45990 miles. Not many people do anywhere near that I don't think. Avg is 7200 or 20 miles a day. So it's not a huge issue I think
The miles/kWh figure is very disappointing, and highlights that big brick shaped SUV style EV’s need heavier, larger and more expensive batteries to make them anywhere near useable. I’ll stick with my super efficient Hyundai Ioniq with just a 38kWh battery, but it easily returns 5.7 miles/kWh, and it costs almost half of the Mach E. Shame there’s nothing similar to replace it …… yet. Great video and always love the EV content.
So, what is the etiquette regarding someone else’s home charger/power, even your best mates? Do you drop them a few quid towards their next electric bill? You wouldn’t expect anyone to nip out and buy you a couple of gallons of petrol/diesel.
Really good, useful content Pete, well done for remembering your audience are (mostly) normal people who have similar driving work / life balance challenges and thus will find this very informative as they consider an EV - and let’s face it, that decision is coming to all of us who drive sooner than many think! As an EV convert, my Audi Etron doesn’t achieve the m/pkWh that you have done, but it does excel in many other areas. Your friends are smart though, don’t have two EV’s just yet…an EV and a good Hybrid is a balance we have found works well👍🏻
For a 100kw battery that range is poor my m3 long range with 77kw battery and 50k miles will do 302miles at 100% I would expect the guess o meter to be saying 350miles. And you would get just over 300.
Interesting vlog mate. When I have to go EV, home charger is a definate although by then I would hope the national infrastructure is in a better place than it is now!
Hasn’t Andrew been on the channel a few times? Where were you working in Cheltenham? Do you think there’s been a shift in mentality with EV’s recently? Parents are thinking of chopping in their countryman for a BEV, when you see stuff like the Mach e and the like having reasonable ranges. The car would be garaged at home so as you say you’d start with a full tank. They rarely drive 250 miles in a day and where they do, they like to stop for a nice lunch. The only issue they have is if they visit my sister, they have to park on street with no charging. I’ve got a wall box in my car park so they can use that when they visit me. I’m thinking Ionian - what do you think?
That was very interesting. One week into iPace ownership and the car is back with Jaguar as it won't charge due to a sullinoid in the charger port locking system but apart from that the wallbox was fitted today and we await our Charge Scotland card to allow us to charge for free for £10 a year. We charged once and got 40% in 18 hours and managed to blow our weekly budget on our smart monitor in one day but at least our 2 year fixed rate still has 8 months to go. The magic carpet ride and the Meridian surround sound are the highlights so far. Those Hyundai models were very Audi I thought rally Quattro and TT lookalikes but still smart. EV's are coming along thick and fast now.
@@PetrolPed We have now found out when you drive a Jag the pool car is of a higher quality to the basic Evoque we got with the Disco Sport. We now have a fully blacked out Velar HSE 240D. A silver lining and all that but it sits beside a redundant for now Pod Point. Ironic really. We are not sure if we could go back to 2 pedal or even 3 pedal driving as the car is so slow to pick up and move. I thought the hanndbrake was seized .
Hi Pete. Great vid as always. Loved the silver HYUNDAI. Not sure about the Ionic6 though!! The long distance drive in the Mach-e certainly shows its capabilities. As you showed, you can do longer journeys especially if you are able to charge without using public facilities.
Great real world test. Just got an EV so really useful video. Shame the electric providers are not offering cheaper overnight tariffs at the moment because of the government support, but I worked out that it’s still 50% of what I was paying in petrol to do the same journeys.
I’ve been thinking, having an (a?) EV is like having a car with a slow puncture. How much has it lost, will it get me to my next destination without letting me down, where can I get air on route? Not what I want in my life unless it’s a into city runabout. BTW what are those purple flashing lights?
Not really. Have you noticed some people don't like thier fuel gauge to be half empty, they get too anxious about running out of petrol and fill up again. That's probably the same range as an EV , except you can charge at home overnight while sleeping with 0 effort,no queue to fuel or pay. With a range many times greater than your normal daily journey (I could do my commute 10x before charging in the summer).
I wonder what the etiquette is using friends electricity on a visit? Do you leave a fiver under a fridge magnet, like you might leave 50p by the landline in the days before mobiles?
Enjoy the channel but still can't get my head around someone spending loads of money to drive around worried about how far you can go and tailgating trucks in whisper mode ( must be a pleasure ) . I get in my ICE car and fill up a few minutes after I've noticed i need to.
I’ve been living with an EV for nearly a year now, no range anxiety and the battery is charged for next to nothing overnight and powers our home in the evening peak. No more smelly petrol stations and greatly reduced maintenance, what’s not to love😊 Oh, and we’re reducing planet fuckery which your children my appreciate ❤
EVs party piece is that you wake up each morning with a full tank that cost a fraction of the cost of petrol and you rarely need to go and ‘fill up at the garage ‘ 👍
You’ll be in an EV one day wether you like it or not as the government/country and car industry move forward with them , and if you don’t then bus for you
I love my Mini SE, bought it after following your channel. But I must admit I can't wait for the Mach-E to arrive in NZ. Another brilliant video. Go Tracey, diving it in untamed mode🤗
Another excellent review. Clearly an easy car to live with. The compromised ride quality might put me off though. On a side note. Any chance you might do a video on the new civic soon? Be interested to hear your thoughts on that car.
Think this isn't quite right, I've seen rates of off street parking being quoted at 60-70%. And often your daily use Vs range means that you could go a fortnight without charging. Finding a lampost charger every day might be inconvenient but once a week or fortnight shouldn't be an issue. Look up connected Kerb too,an interesting concept of having Kerb itself by the charger.
Said before on one of your other videos that a mate of mine has recently gotten a cupra born, and his opinion is that he wouldn’t recommend anyone having one unless you have access to some form of decent home charger, and (especially with how things are right now with cost of living etc)have solar and maybe a battery storage system at home too so that you can do as much as you can to help bring down the day to day costs. Seems to be that if you can stay within the range of the cars battery, and you can charge at home, and you can actually afford one - cos let’s face it BEV’s don’t come cheap!, then they might not be so bad as a daily commuter, where they start to fall apart is when you start wanting to go outside of the cars range and you have to start relying on the public charging infrastructure (which seemingly unless you live in and around London) is an absolute y indefensible joke! I have recently seen a few videos by another “TH-camr” (the mac master) with his Porsche Taycan, and he is using his car to travel about and go from place to place and usually outside of the range of the car, and this just highlights and brings home how crappy things really are - what with the charging infrastructure/network as poor/unreliable/mismatched and disjointed as it clearly is! Sorry but for me (and I suspect a lot of others), whilst ever BEV’s cost as much as they do, whilst the public charging infrastructure is as fractured/broken and minimal as it is, then swapping my ICE car for a BEV is a non starter - just because of the high costs for what you get, and also because the public network just isn’t anywhere near where it needs to be yet, and i suspect that the power grid isn’t ready for an all electric future either, or put it another way ( & quoting Lee/the macmaster himself) - don’t get an EV because they’re crap😆
What other problems with EV is they tow very little, is this then the death of the touring caravan? mainly a UK industry - range with a caravan on is cut down dramatically on those rare ev's that can tow, while recharging means taking your caravan off or trailer and then taking the car to its charging point, hopefully the caravan hasnt been nicked in the meantime. Having tested a few EVs and hybrids im still out and also the EV should do what anormal car can do and more besides-but it cant in a perfect world they would be great but they are not - running prices will shoot up with chargers getting taxed when the car is hooked in. Will there be a glut of EVs on the used market as age eats into battery life and value-great vid mate !
Over 55% of UK households can't have access to a charger at home. This includes flats/apartments or terrace houses. You never take this in to account when you say "oh just charge up at home". For the Government and motor journalist to say this is the way to go.....I'm not so sure. The cars that have a decent range are over priced and well beyond most people. That mustang comes it at well over £50000!!!
Interesting information but if you compare the Audi Etron to the ID3 or Cupra Born 58 kw which are on the same car platform the Audi does less than 200 miles where as the ID3 and born do 220 plus due to the etron being heavier. I assume the Mustang is very heavy with 100 kW battery and 3.1 miles per kw is not really good enough looking at the cost of it. Perhaps drive it in efficiency settings and see if you get better miles per kw ? Do Tesla cars with bigger batteries do better ? I think most manufacturers use the 58 to 60 kW battery size as it gives a 200 mile usable range with pretty good efficiency at 3.5 to 4 miles per kw.
If 100-200 people stay In a hotel and 50% have bev cars, how many hotels have you seen with at least 50 chargers in car park???? This is all idealistic talk. It will never work for masses
Hi Pete, another great video! I’m close to buying an EV and the Mach E is on my shortlist. Keep up the good work! ps. Hope you repaid your generous friend for the electricity you used whilst charging 😀😀
Evening mate, EV’s are slowly making us change the way we think, just as we predicted, just a case of getting the Electricity costs to go back down. 👍🇬🇧
Peter that is a great car the mustang and for being a electric what a good lot of milage you get on a charge ,very good ,i like the Mustang Mach-E and the layout in the car , and the design of the car ,other then that a great car ,if i had the money i would buy one thank you Peter take care
Thanks for sharing your experience Pete very interesting & truthful as always think living with a EV is getting easier but are they good value I'm not sure but like the Ford & would be my choice.
I’ve not succumbed to EV’s yet…some day probably. However when I hear all this kW per hour stuff and miles per kW etc I have no idea how that translates to whether it’s good or bad. Can you do a video about those numbers? Thanks.
People used to think so because cycling the battery is how these things age. but there's more damaging Cycles 0-100%, lots of rapid charging etc and less damaging ones like home charging or little charges. Main takeaway don't stress about it, battery Will last longer than the car. Don't leave at 100 for too long if you don't have to. Keep to 40-80% if you have plenty of range and small journeys for maximum preservation but doesn't matter really at all.just do what makes you comfortable
I was in Sales most of my life mostly in the cycle industry and retired from I would say the best wholesalers in the UK most probably Europe. I have been on countless sales courses so appreciate listening to someone who knows how to talk. But we're are the bike videos.
I watch a lot of EV vids trying to get my head around what all the fuss is about. I currently drive a new Lexus Hybrid. I see still see no reason to buy an EV. I like the look of the Mac-e shame they don’t make a hybrid!😂 Enjoyed your video, thank you but it would be great to hear about the cost of charging? I guess is cheap when you use your mates electricity! 😂😂
Yeah they will go through tyres a bit quicker since more weight and lots of torque, but they go through brakes much slower since you can use the regen most of the time. Pluses and minuses.
Hard acceleration and driving will result in faster wear. Tyres tend to be a slightly different compound to ICE cars as they are focussed on efficiency and sound reduction 👍
I’ve had a Mini Electric for 2 years now, it’s a brilliant little car. Admittedly I’ve got a home charger so that makes it easier, 95 percent of my journeys are local. I’ve been on a few longer trips with it, I’ve found that avoiding motorway service areas and using InstaVolt has meant that those trips have been hassle free.
Live the electric Mini 👍
“Not too bad” seems to sum the whole thing up. In my current diesel I could do that week without having to refuel. Planning where to recharge, dicking around with a charging cable in the rain, driving a car numbed by the extra weight, all compromises I guess we’ll have to accept to save the planet. One question: how much electricity is it polite to “borrow “ when staying with friends 🤔
Good question. How good friends are they 😜😂
I find living with a Fiat 500e with a typical range of 160 miles far more convenient than running my previous ICE car that could do 320 miles on its small fuel tank. But this is because of home charging which does make all the difference, as you say.
It sure does 👍
I think that's what most EV nay-sayers miss. Ok, long-distance trips are a bit less convenient, but the other 95% of your driving is far more convenient. Why so much focus on the tiny minority of journeys?
And sure, if you don't have easy access to a home or work charger, things are a bit more awkward, and maybe an EV isn't for you. But, the infrastructure will improve, and there will be ICE cars around for 20 years yet. There's no rush.
Petrol I live in a top floor maisonette and I only use a granny on an 18 amp extension cable with a blue BS standard commando socket on my exterior wall.I run the extension 4 meters up my path way cable clipped to a neighbours fence then into two black cable heavy rubber Protectors across the pavement (naughty) . Then I have the granny and socket inside a plastic box under the car which I tested in a car wash waterproofed . No issues quiet street about a year so far . Hopefully stay all good . Looking to get Economy 10 so pick up cheap rate overnight charging .
Just finished a long EV trip from Fareham to blackpool and back with no real issues. Trip up I went via chesterfield to drive through the Derby dales. Mg5 standard range was brilliant. No issues with finding or using the public chargers on the way.
Great to hear 👍
So, let me get this right. 518 miles at 3.1 miles per kW, is 167kW used. I can't speak for your friends electricity bill but my Octopus Go, on off peak, is 7.14p per kW, so it would have cost me £12.53 at todays (higher) rates. With petrol at around £7.50 a gallon (a lot more on the motorway and/or with diesel), you'd need a car that did 310 miles per gallon to be as cost effective. If you used my normal daytime electricity rate it would have cost me £54.48 for 518 miles which is equal to finding a car that does 69 mpg. All cars do less than manufacturers state, ICE included, so I'm not sure why the lower range is such a big deal. Let's face it, range didn't matter one bit in your week and 518 miles. My experience - 39,000 miles in a BEV over 19 months, no real problem charging and HUGE savings. Yes, I have a home charger, you need one of those. Yes, I have off peak, you need that too but if I have to go on a long trip, 500 miles plus, in a day, mostly on mostly on motorways, I'll take my EV rather than my 4.2 V8 which is great in the country but batting up and down the motorways? not as good as the luxurious, quiet, smooth riding EV.
Tesla?
Damn 7p per KW is cheap, my electric up here in Scotland is 30 pence per KW of electricity and public chargers can be as much as 90 pence per KW so I've heard , I have a diesel jeep renegade that is mega cheap on diesel easy get 60 to 70 mpg but will be moving from my current village which is ten miles from my work to the town i work in soon so will seriously thinking about an EV in the future, Mach e or ford explorer or Kia ev6 and also mg4 trophy if want cheaper one 👍
Having a 7kw charger depends on your daily mileage (as you stated). My 13 Amp "Granny" charger charges at 2 to 2.5kw (select the charging current required) so in 10 hours charges my battery (58kW) to about 40%. If you keep topping up the battery then do you really need to spend £1,500 (charger plus install cost) on a 7kW charger ? The saving can be spent on public chargers. Public DC charging at 50 kW or higher shortens the life of the battery.
I kind of agree with you about the big screen, but there should sill be dials or knobs for some functions, I still think a massive screen in the middle is too distracting. Maybe its something to get used to.
Lacking in the toy department is a good thing.
This proves it can be done, its a shame that cars like the Mach E are so expensive
I've had no problems using an EV for long journeys and staying at places away from home: 7400km around europe this last summer, including 3000km in 3 days from norway to the UK.
It is best to think of an EV as "different", not better or worse than an ICE. If you can modify your routine to include charging whilst you are doing something else (sleeping, walking the dog, visiting your mistress) then you lose absolutely no time to charging cos you are doing stuff you would do anyway. But if you treat it like an ICE and go to "refuel" at a station when it gets low on charge, well then it will be more inconvenient.
OK for people who can charge at home, or even have a driveway to park it next to their house.
Not so great for people who have to battle for a parking space on the street often 100 yards away from where they live.
Working at a main dealership for a brand which was at the forefront of EV's (Hyundai), the delivery drivers who took the brand new cars to customers used to hate them. It would often take them all day to deliver a car across the country, because the range was never the 300 miles it should have been, and trying to find a working charger, and when they did, having to queue to use it, made the journey twice as long as it would have been in an ice car.
So, I'm not an EV hater, but they are not for everyone.
@@DjNikGnashers - What you are describing is actually a single problem - charging network. Which i will freely confess is a problem in many places. It can be done though, Norway proves it. It just needs investment and some leadership from the government. Even if you don't have home charging, so long as they put reasonably priced 6-11kW chargers in public and business car parks you can charge while you shop or work. I didn't have a home charger for the first 14 months of EV ownership - i just charged at work. Home charging is better though.
I actually had no problem charging in the UK this summer. I just plugged in at the supermarket and shopping centres where i was staying. Again, i integrated the charging into the other stuff i was doing so it didn't waste any of my time. Some of the chargers (Pod Point) were even free to use. But in France i got 5 failed chargers out of 5 attempts (excluding Tesla chargers). That did cause some inconvenience.
This is brilliant 👍
@@15bit62 why is it the governments job. Companies need to grab hold of it and build it.
@@DjNikGnashers I have to say this line of debate against EV's is very out of date. I don't have charging at home, with the way UK energy costs are now even with an Octopus type tariff (and they are only one of 2 providers now I believe), the trade off for your 'cheap' 4 hours is higher standing charge and unit prices for the other 18 hours than a standard variable rate; this means it's not really a cost efficient way presently. So I use public infrastructure and as an example, in September for just over 500 miles it's cost me £25 in charging, that's three supercharger sessions, two of which were on 250kWh chargers for £15 and one on a 50kWh charger for £10, the rest of the time on free public chargers at 7kWh.
I'm sure with time some of the free charging will be withdrawn which will be a shame yet inevitable, but it's easy enough to public charge, the timing is different. Either charge when you are at the shops, eating out, cinema and for me I'll often take my bike in my car, plug the car in to charge somewhere and go for a bike ride for a few hours within the confines of the parking policy at the charger station so I get exercise and recharged!
Admittedly I've just seen the range drop now temps are down in the teens rather than summer but the car when on the move is accurate in its range prediction and still does 220+ miles with range to spare and gives plenty of time / distance to top up, after all you are supposed to stop every 2-3 hours for a break when driving so the maximum you could theoretically do is 200-210 miles at UK national speed limit anyway.
Infrastructure still has a long way to go, but I had a Renault Zoe for a few days from Hendy Portsmouth and it was a fantastic little thing. Quick as anything, comfortable, great looking, and range was pretty decent for a small car
Great video as usual... I live on the coast in North Essex... I drive to Blackpool on a regular basis... M6 Rugby services. The infrastructure is getting better. One pedal driving and adaptive cruise control. Never touch the brakes... Best car ever
I did do a bit about one pedal driving but it didn’t make the cut 😬😜
One thing on J-ems video was the fact that EV make more sense in cities and towns he used London as an example however he said that they'd be the worst places to own one as very few people have off road parking at home so would surely need to use public charges mainly. Is there a massive difference in cost between charging at home and in public?
I am a Scot living in Austria within an apartment and getting the management company who look after the facility to be pro active is a nightmare. So, getting them to install a charging unit and then how to stop parking wars breaking out will need the UN involvement. However, what I would remind you, whilst the public charging is expensive, there is the environmental benefits
Hi, Pete. Your comment that suggested that someone might get away with a granny charger (depending on typical mileage) sort of leads me to my own view on why there is a degree of resistance to EVs……which is……..Currently anyone can buy an ICE car, and no matter where they live, they can get it fuelled up fairly easily. However, when (if) we are all obliged to buy EVs, there will be many people who simply cannot charge at home, whether it’s a granny charger or proper wall box. There’s just no way they can charge…eg. from the 3rd floor in a block of flats. So these people will have to use public chargers….which are more expensive than home charging, plus (currently) have a bit of a reputation of being harder to find, or don’t work. My point is, what was ‘easy’ for everyone before, has now become harder for others, so for there to be resistance has to be expected, and more importantly, allowed for. For example, if the government are to insist that everyone must now buy an EV (from 2030, for new cars), then they have to address how people who cannot home charge should ‘easily’ charge their cars. Otherwise they are just putting up a barrier without offering a solution.
…..imho…..!
I had the this as a press car for a week and don’t have a way of charging it at home other than a horrible 3 pin charger and even then had to park on my front lawn 😳. Good car terrible infrastructure
Video on this very subject coming very soon 👍
When I had it for a week I was getting 3.6 but was not doing longer trips like this (into town and a few shorter trips) I could not live with a 3 pin Charger and cannot have 1 fitted either (rented house) and only 1 public 50 kw charger within 20 minutes
Spot on review 👍. I have a home charger and am putting one in at work. You just adapt and get used to thinking slightly differently but with a 300 mile range, it’s never a problem. Interestingly shopping centres are a decent place to charge I’ve found. Eastbourne is free, even Brighton is half reasonable.
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Electric cars ain't for me right now. I travel to Cornwall a lot, and its just a total nightmare. I had one for a month, it just didn't work for me. Long distance you gotta use public charging and that network is terrible to say the least. Charging at service stations my god its almost a joke. Only spend two hours in there, if someone's on it you've got no chance, then you get off that motorway in search of a charger, then you gotta charge it, 2 or 3 hours added to my journey, total nightmare.
Sounds like a lack of planning more than charging issues though? EV is different but not hard. I travel all over the UK. Mid West Wales is by far the worst area for charging but it’s still doable.
I go all over the country and that’s the reason I got a Tesla for the charging network not the car, I would not like to do what I do using non tesla chargers
@@MrPindie oh honestly mate i planned it, but when you plan to stop and the charger is in use for a hour or even broken its so frustrating. They are constantly broken. When i pulled into a service station on the m5 there was two using the charger, i waited for 1 hour 15 minutes for them to come back so i could only get 45 minutes charg otherwise you get a fine for being there for 2 hours or more. I travel to Cornwall from Birmingham in a day, which in a normal fuel car its very doable but in a electric car it is just not. The Polstar that i had was brilliant, i loved driving it. And also i don't know about this planning thing, should we have to. Sometimes i don't have time to, i have to go. Around town absolutely fine, long journeys it is just impossible
Your experience with the Mustang E confirms to me that EVs are not yet at a developement stage where they can replace an ICE vehicle. First of all I have yet to see an EV that lives up to it’s claimed range. But the most convincing argument for me is the constant focus on charging points and remaining charge. The added stress of that, would make every drive a chore, and one I wouldn’t take on voluntarily! I’ll let others deal with the hassles of EVs.
Range is only a problem when you have a journey close to it. At other times you wake up every day with a full charge and never worry about it. In 2 months I have yet to charge to Mach-E in public. True hassle free motoring 👍
You have to keep in mind that 40odd % of uk homes currently don't have option of charging at home, even with a granny charger and I saw some figures (not some anti ev person ) that at today's prices non home charging cost same or more that ice.
Video on this coming soon 👍
Evening all! Happy Friday!! Hope everyone is doing well and has a lovely weekend.
An interesting video I viewed with purpose. A lady decided to square her vehicle up whilst parking partly on a pavement, and pulled out straight into my Mazda MX30 colliding with the rear suicide door. My insurance company arranged for a courtesy car equivalent and ‘hey-presto’ they delivered a Mach-E to my home. It’s fantastic to drive and especially to see also on the screen 270 miles of charge. I had to blink twice to make sure that’s what it said. It’s a dream as the MX30 is lucky to get to 128 miles during warmer climate after a full charge. Certainly it’s far superior to the Mazda. Thanks also for explaining what the Whisper mode is. The vehicle came with no guide, so every little helps. Well done Pete and thanks. 👍👍
Glad you are enjoying it 👍
Really helpful video Pete. Your experience is very similar to mine. Only charge at public networks when absolutely necessary. For me that's only when on road trips - which are about 6 a year. At home I use a combo of 3 pin granny charging and 7Kw Zappi charger as the 3 pin gave me access to the Intelligent Octopus tariff, where Octopus choose when is best to charge overnight - least strain on the grid and best for renewables as well. Hotels I've been to that don't have a 7Kw charge point often have 3 pin external socket and let me charge on that - mostly for free! Like some of the comments here I find it easier than fossil fuel, cheaper and a more pleasant drive in an EV.
Thanks 👍
I usually agree with a lot of what you say. However, this time, your comment about people not having a petrol station at home so why have lots of charging stations was a bit blinkered. Your lovely house with your nice driveway and double car-port is perfect for that and good for you, but what you seem to have missed is the fact a lot of people don’t have that. They either live in back to back terraced houses with only on-street parking or in flats/apartments with communal parking so don’t have the luxury of home charging so the ONLY option is to use charge stations and the fact is that there simply aren’t enough currently and charging takes way too long. Just my opinion, not everyone is able to charge at home
Video on this very subject coming to the channel soon. I agree with you 👍
My first time watching your video, got to say I loved it. Well done, gonna watch more of them, thanks. I love my Mustang Mach E GT Performance. It may not be as range efficient as Tesla and Hyundai, but the interior quality and comfort level blows them both away. As a former Model 3 owner, I wouldn’t go back if I could. Teslas interior is too minimalistic for me. I don’t go on too many long trips in my Mach E but the few times I did, it was not a burden, there is always some place to eat or a Starbucks near all the chargers. Commuting to work has never been so fun. :) as far as suspension softening, the GT with Magnaride got it right, still a little bouncy but much better and this is a performance vehicle and suspension should be a little stiff.
Thanks 🙏🏻
I’ve owned a Mach-E for the last 4 months and here are my observations. The estimated range is always too conservative. Near a full charge, the car predicts an efficiency of 2.75 mi/kWh. In mild weather, I typically get 3.3 mu/kWh. I would use the efficiency rating you are getting to predict range over what the car is saying (the long-range version has 91 usable kWh). The car will do better at predicting range the lower the battery gets, but seems to reset itself after a charge. I could be wrong, but I believe Drive Modes will not affect efficiency. I was told the Drive Modes only change the handling of the car (steering, acceleration, regen braking, etc…) but have little effect on the battery usage. So use the mode that you enjoy the most. Finally, someone recommended reducing the mid-tones in the audio settings. After I tried it, I found the sound system was even better! Love my Mach-E! Such a great car and I pay pennies per kWh vs what I was paying for petrol. Fun to drive, comfortable. Great to find another one that loves theirs, too. Cheers!
Thanks for this 👍
I'm amazed that in the 21st century that The UK has so many village roads that are barely wide enough for 1 modern car, nevermind 2. And even some of the 2 lane roads are sketchy on the width, especially with no road shoulders.
It’s called character 😜😂
@@PetrolPed😂
So 3 weeks in with my model Y i have found that as obvious as it seems, it really pays to have the thing in chill mode, turn off the ac and monitoring the driving to get the most out of the thing. More so than with a normal car because I cant remember not doing those things have too much of an impact.
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The whole range thing goes back to what Mr PP said.... Poor range. Your end on efficiency of 3.1 really shows that it is actually poor compared to advertised range. For me the Mach E is too expensive for too little.... A more extreme example of that is the Jaguar iPace.
I own a 24kWh Leaf and have been using the 3-pin charger for about 18 months and it works great. It all depends of how far you drive daily.
Agree, 3-pin could work fine depending on your use.
For a £50K+ car I would expect better. My mate in the village has one, he's slightly disappointed with it. I'll stick to my liquid-dinosaur fueled, 13 year old C30 for now at 70 mpg (and the 'bike - getting a bit chilly in the mornings going to work, soon time to tuck her up for the winter).
Or buy some thermals 😜😂
@@PetrolPed 😂🤣😂 Fair one, mate!
Within 1/2 mile of my place there are about 200-300 houses.... Not one street charger..... And I have found out that you can`t make Batteries without using lots of OIL.....Funny old World :-)))
Exactly.
A lot of EV owners conveniently forget that although 'they' might think they are being all green by driving around 'their' area with no emissions, they forget to mention that mining the raw materials and manufacturing the batteries concentrates all that pollution in one place. Not so great for the people who live nearby. And half the electricity id still produced by fossil fuels anyway lol.
@@DjNikGnashers Can you imagine how many batteries you would need to power a 50 ton Quarry tipper truck?????? Not going to happen..... See an Interview on "Harry`s Garage" when he chats to the CEO of JCB.... Very interesting well worth a watch.. :-))
They've just built 750 houses on 3 green fields near me. None have EV chargers fitted. None have solar panels and some have parking spaces that are not even outside their house.
@@markl4670 Strange... EVs ... good idea but not workable... :-))
At least you did not slag the ride, comfort and dynamics off like most other reviewers do and a good explanation of the big screen and functions well done again
Thanks 👍
It’s firm but I can live with it 👍
Thanks for the update on the Mach E. Have you seen the EV video on the JayEmm channel? He pointed out that commuting like you did in this video is perfect for an EV. You proved the theory and its great to see that you try it out rather than just giving an opinion on the subject. Cheers!
Cheers 👍
Just over a month ago I drove my 2023 Mustang mach-E home. I received my new insurance premium $250. a month. Very clean record for 60 years.
Really good video. We’ve just bought an EV, so going through the same thought process. I’m stating the obvious, but higher speed equals much reduced range. The quoted range for our car only becomes reality when driving around town. Hit country lanes / dual carriageways / motorways, then the range is 60% quoted for us.
Oh it sure does. Even doing 60 instead of 70mph make a massive difference 👍
@@PetrolPed fancy buying a porsche taycan and having to drive it like Daisy to get to the next recharge.
@@richardfisher7248 Daisy ?
@@bertt72 sorry, Miss Daisy !
Ours had to go , ride unacceptable and interior build quality iffy , got our money back on it though ( 6 months ownership) . Now got an Jaguar iPace , it’s lush ! With the lower apr on the finance (2.9%) not much different on the monthly’s .
Great video Pete, I've only recently picked up my Kuga PHEV which I love and I'm getting great range from the battery much more than what Ford claim, I do really like the Mach E and I would change to it without hesitation after my term has finished with my Kuga
From your stats it seems to be an ok car to purchase, but still the price is concerning.
The huge ipad thing just looks like an afterthought, surely it could be incorporated into the dash?
I know. I feel the same for smaller screens but this one so big I actually think it works 😬
The range is entirely dependent on the driving it has been doing on recent journeys. At 60mph our i-pace does about a mile for every mile in the range indicator. At 50mph, say on a lazy A road journey we can get more than a mile for every mile of range and after a day of that kind of driving the indicated range gets up much closer to the published range. If there is any driving at over 60mph or any spirited driving the range falls. Given how good the Jag is to hustle along, we seldom see more than about 225 range when we have a full battery!
Nice video. It shows that you can in fact survive charging at home. The only real need for fast charging is for long trips. I live in OZ, and you can easily do a 5000 miles road trip. In an interesting twist, I have had a MINI electric (Cooper SE over here) for over 2 years, and I only have a granny charger at home. I get around 150 miles per charge (yes the quoted range is that far out), and it takes about 4 hours per 25% from the wall. Small light EVs are very efficient - I average 5+ miles/kWh, and can hit 6 on good days.This equates to around 10 miles/hour chargin on the wall socket. More than enough. Not bad for a "compliance" car as some call the MINI (it wasn't a ground up EV). Anyway, if you can do it in a Mch E, then pretty much any EV can survive on the wall. Really enjoyable video - keep up the good work.
I have owned a Kia E-Niro since March and I have never (and don’t expect) to use a public charger. I have a home charger and live in Swansea so I can easily get to anywhere in eastern South Wales and western South Wales and back each day. I have yet to travel to England yet though. My cat has 289 mile range on a full charge
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If you stay with friends for a week, with an ICE car, they do not pay for your fuel. Does this apply to using their electricity for an EV?
Are they good friends ?!!
Great living with review Sir Pete!! I was really looking forward to this video. Definitely good and helpful information taken away for this video. The only disappointment of the mach e I’d say is that it seems the extended range option to get ya 300 miles a charge dosent actually get ya there. Other then that the mach e seems like a home run! Especially in that red color! I’m honestly not a Tesla car fan. I think there cool but there all over. The mach e’s are around but there on a 7 teslas to one mach e ratio where I live. Hopefully you’ll get the mach e gt to review to! Hope you and Mrs G have a great week this week Sir Pete!
Evening PP
Being waiting on this video
I do like Mach E especially the GT Performance
Saw my first one yesterday in that cyber orange.
Still on the fence on owning one as no driveway at home and the charging network in Glasgow is poor.
Great video 👍 - having just got myself a petrol car (I decided my life needed the added drama of a hot-hatch) in addition to the daily-drive EV, I would say with a tethered home charger, living with an EV is far less faff than having to go out an fill up with petrol… and despite the tabloid headlines, a f**k load cheaper! Get home, shove the plug in, walk away and come the morning full battery 🙂
However, if you had to rely on public charging then it would be a completely different scenario… 🤔
Hi Ped
I found this update very interesting, well done. Think we are on the same wavelength on so many issues , but I have to say I have not reached the point where I would consider changing to EV. Perhaps before the final demise of the ICE there will be further improvements to come with charging infrastructure, battery technology etc, but we will have to navigate more urgent problems.😥 Namely cost of living crisis, energy crisis, political uncertainty and in worst case civil unrest. Not the time to consider buying an EV.😬
Only if I could have a petrol pump on my driveway would I consider going back. I don't do mega long drives, monthly Edinburgh to Milton Keynes but that's about it.
That was very interesting.Looks like a good car.I like the ease of the large screen,you explained that very well.The cost of the full charge on the wall box has got me thinking.I reckon that on an average working week with the amount of miles I do I would only have to charge once.
Exactly and probably never in public 👍
First time i've seen someone mention in a review that if you can charge at home you might never, or very rarely need public charging stations. I don't like people comparing cars and deciding which is the best car in a review when all they're comparing is tesla vs other charging infrastructure. I'm never going to need to charge away from home, so tell me which is the best car.
Had this car nearly 4 months now and still not used public charging 👍
Loved this insight in an e car !! Well done Pete. Matt from Australia 🇦🇺
Cheers Matt 👍
I don’t need a 300 mile range EV - we rarely do that sort of distance even in a week and have an ICE estate for this so got a Peugeot e208 as our second car - real world range probably about 180 miles. We just have a 3-pin charger for this and and as it’s only a 45 kWh useable battery we can add about 65-70 miles overnight with this. Works absolutely fine in these circumstances.
Only done one longer journey of 240 miles round trip with one public charging stop (66p kWh!). No issues worked fine. I think if you have modest mileage requirements a smaller EV makes huge sense. For higher mileages/lots of public charging not sure yet but I hope over time car prices will reduce and infrastructure will improve - I can see us getting a bigger EV in 3 years time.
Most manufacturers only recommend charging between 20-80% to prolong battery life so kind of makes a mockery of the full range of EV's plus public charging has gone up considerably recently.
Yeah but 99% of journeys are under 100 miles, the average trip is 10 miles. All of which very achievable by a battery.
Still 7.5p overnight at home on octopus Go, agile tariff paid people to charge last weekend there was so much wind power going spare.
Plenty of people with a drive and no EV (millions) before we need to start helping people without a drive charge easily. Then of course there's thing's like co charge and plug share where a neighbour sells you their plug for the night for cost or a profit, because it's rare to need the miles every night.
It's really not so much of a problem as people make out.
4p per kW h, full charge for 4 pound for a 100kwh battery sounds amazing, truth is 4 hrs at that 4p rate. 7kwh charger. 28kw h charge per nights at 4 p rate. So nearly 4 nights charging will get you "a full tank" at the quoted rate. Honesty and clarity is needed.
Yeah so you can get your 4p rate for up to 126 miles a night or at least my miles/kWh is 4.5 so it works out that way. So could satisfy an annual mileage of 45990 miles. Not many people do anywhere near that I don't think. Avg is 7200 or 20 miles a day. So it's not a huge issue I think
The miles/kWh figure is very disappointing, and highlights that big brick shaped SUV style EV’s need heavier, larger and more expensive batteries to make them anywhere near useable. I’ll stick with my super efficient Hyundai Ioniq with just a 38kWh battery, but it easily returns 5.7 miles/kWh, and it costs almost half of the Mach E. Shame there’s nothing similar to replace it …… yet. Great video and always love the EV content.
Would be a good to remake it as a dedicated EV with flat floor and all those benefits, would be even better.
5.7…wow 😮
So, what is the etiquette regarding someone else’s home charger/power, even your best mates? Do you drop them a few quid towards their next electric bill? You wouldn’t expect anyone to nip out and buy you a couple of gallons of petrol/diesel.
Good question. Depends how good a friends they are 😜 Offer they pay or a nice bottle of wine 👍
An interesting study would be the impact on range with various numbers of passengers with the driver, I.e., 1, 2, 3 to maximum.
Really good, useful content Pete, well done for remembering your audience are (mostly) normal people who have similar driving work / life balance challenges and thus will find this very informative as they consider an EV - and let’s face it, that decision is coming to all of us who drive sooner than many think! As an EV convert, my Audi Etron doesn’t achieve the m/pkWh that you have done, but it does excel in many other areas. Your friends are smart though, don’t have two EV’s just yet…an EV and a good Hybrid is a balance we have found works well👍🏻
Yep 👍
For a 100kw battery that range is poor my m3 long range with 77kw battery and 50k miles will do 302miles at 100% I would expect the guess o meter to be saying 350miles. And you would get just over 300.
Interesting vlog mate. When I have to go EV, home charger is a definate although by then I would hope the national infrastructure is in a better place than it is now!
Hasn’t Andrew been on the channel a few times? Where were you working in Cheltenham?
Do you think there’s been a shift in mentality with EV’s recently? Parents are thinking of chopping in their countryman for a BEV, when you see stuff like the Mach e and the like having reasonable ranges. The car would be garaged at home so as you say you’d start with a full tank. They rarely drive 250 miles in a day and where they do, they like to stop for a nice lunch. The only issue they have is if they visit my sister, they have to park on street with no charging. I’ve got a wall box in my car park so they can use that when they visit me. I’m thinking Ionian - what do you think?
He has indeed and his cars even more 👍
That was very interesting. One week into iPace ownership and the car is back with Jaguar as it won't charge due to a sullinoid in the charger port locking system but apart from that the wallbox was fitted today and we await our Charge Scotland card to allow us to charge for free for £10 a year. We charged once and got 40% in 18 hours and managed to blow our weekly budget on our smart monitor in one day but at least our 2 year fixed rate still has 8 months to go. The magic carpet ride and the Meridian surround sound are the highlights so far. Those Hyundai models were very Audi I thought rally Quattro and TT lookalikes but still smart. EV's are coming along thick and fast now.
Sorry to hear your had issues 😢
@@PetrolPed We have now found out when you drive a Jag the pool car is of a higher quality to the basic Evoque we got with the Disco Sport. We now have a fully blacked out Velar HSE 240D. A silver lining and all that but it sits beside a redundant for now Pod Point. Ironic really. We are not sure if we could go back to 2 pedal or even 3 pedal driving as the car is so slow to pick up and move. I thought the hanndbrake was seized .
Hi Pete. Great vid as always. Loved the silver HYUNDAI. Not sure about the Ionic6 though!! The long distance drive in the Mach-e certainly shows its capabilities. As you showed, you can do longer journeys especially if you are able to charge without using public facilities.
Cheers Sean 👍
Great real world test. Just got an EV so really useful video. Shame the electric providers are not offering cheaper overnight tariffs at the moment because of the government support, but I worked out that it’s still 50% of what I was paying in petrol to do the same journeys.
7p a kWh?
I’ve been thinking, having an (a?) EV is like having a car with a slow puncture. How much has it lost, will it get me to my next destination without letting me down, where can I get air on route? Not what I want in my life unless it’s a into city runabout.
BTW what are those purple flashing lights?
Not really. Have you noticed some people don't like thier fuel gauge to be half empty, they get too anxious about running out of petrol and fill up again.
That's probably the same range as an EV , except you can charge at home overnight while sleeping with 0 effort,no queue to fuel or pay. With a range many times greater than your normal daily journey (I could do my commute 10x before charging in the summer).
They aren’t visible to the human eye. Part if the driver alertness monitoring I think 👍
I wonder what the etiquette is using friends electricity on a visit? Do you leave a fiver under a fridge magnet, like you might leave 50p by the landline in the days before mobiles?
Depends how good friends they are. A bottle of wine always goes down well with mine 😜
Do you think the white van that was undertaking you saw the camera on windscreen and backed off thinking undercover patrol car?
Really enjoyed this which was entertaining and informative and you have a great sense of humour.
Thanks 😜
Did you use the one pedal drive mode? If not, may explain less miles per kWh.
Enjoy the channel but still can't get my head around someone spending loads of money to drive around worried about how far you can go and tailgating trucks in whisper mode ( must be a pleasure ) . I get in my ICE car and fill up a few minutes after I've noticed i need to.
Your a great lad. Wow. Don’t breed.
I’ve been living with an EV for nearly a year now, no range anxiety and the battery is charged for next to nothing overnight and powers our home in the evening peak. No more smelly petrol stations and greatly reduced maintenance, what’s not to love😊
Oh, and we’re reducing planet fuckery which your children my appreciate ❤
EVs party piece is that you wake up each morning with a full tank that cost a fraction of the cost of petrol and you rarely need to go and ‘fill up at the garage ‘ 👍
You’ll be in an EV one day wether you like it or not as the government/country and car industry move forward with them , and if you don’t then bus for you
@@masterquadbiker plus that bus will be electric or hydrogen fuel cell too! So there’s no getting away from the electric revolution!
I love my Mini SE, bought it after following your channel. But I must admit I can't wait for the Mach-E to arrive in NZ. Another brilliant video. Go Tracey, diving it in untamed mode🤗
😂😂😂
Another excellent review. Clearly an easy car to live with. The compromised ride quality might put me off though. On a side note. Any chance you might do a video on the new civic soon? Be interested to hear your thoughts on that car.
It’s on my list 👍
Public charging is the only option if (like possibly the majority) you have no driveway
Think this isn't quite right, I've seen rates of off street parking being quoted at 60-70%. And often your daily use Vs range means that you could go a fortnight without charging. Finding a lampost charger every day might be inconvenient but once a week or fortnight shouldn't be an issue. Look up connected Kerb too,an interesting concept of having Kerb itself by the charger.
Good honest review Peter. Thank you for sharing 👍
Cheers 👍
What about the people who live in flats can't charge at home what are they to do if there are less public chargers
Video on that coming soon 👍
Said before on one of your other videos that a mate of mine has recently gotten a cupra born, and his opinion is that he wouldn’t recommend anyone having one unless you have access to some form of decent home charger, and (especially with how things are right now with cost of living etc)have solar and maybe a battery storage system at home too so that you can do as much as you can to help bring down the day to day costs. Seems to be that if you can stay within the range of the cars battery, and you can charge at home, and you can actually afford one - cos let’s face it BEV’s don’t come cheap!, then they might not be so bad as a daily commuter, where they start to fall apart is when you start wanting to go outside of the cars range and you have to start relying on the public charging infrastructure (which seemingly unless you live in and around London) is an absolute y indefensible joke! I have recently seen a few videos by another “TH-camr” (the mac master) with his Porsche Taycan, and he is using his car to travel about and go from place to place and usually outside of the range of the car, and this just highlights and brings home how crappy things really are - what with the charging infrastructure/network as poor/unreliable/mismatched and disjointed as it clearly is!
Sorry but for me (and I suspect a lot of others), whilst ever BEV’s cost as much as they do, whilst the public charging infrastructure is as fractured/broken and minimal as it is, then swapping my ICE car for a BEV is a non starter - just because of the high costs for what you get, and also because the public network just isn’t anywhere near where it needs to be yet, and i suspect that the power grid isn’t ready for an all electric future either, or put it another way ( & quoting Lee/the macmaster himself) - don’t get an EV because they’re crap😆
What other problems with EV is they tow very little, is this then the death of the touring caravan? mainly a UK industry - range with a caravan on is cut down dramatically on those rare ev's that can tow, while recharging means taking your caravan off or trailer and then taking the car to its charging point, hopefully the caravan hasnt been nicked in the meantime. Having tested a few EVs and hybrids im still out and also the EV should do what anormal car can do and more besides-but it cant in a perfect world they would be great but they are not - running prices will shoot up with chargers getting taxed when the car is hooked in. Will there be a glut of EVs on the used market as age eats into battery life and value-great vid mate !
Over 55% of UK households can't have access to a charger at home. This includes flats/apartments or terrace houses. You never take this in to account when you say "oh just charge up at home". For the Government and motor journalist to say this is the way to go.....I'm not so sure. The cars that have a decent range are over priced and well beyond most people. That mustang comes it at well over £50000!!!
Video on this coming soon 👍
A regular Mustang is also firm. It’s for performance I think….. If a Mustang had a soft ride, well it wouldn’t be anything like a Mustang.
Interesting information but if you compare the Audi Etron to the ID3 or Cupra Born 58 kw which are on the same car platform the Audi does less than 200 miles where as the ID3 and born do 220 plus due to the etron being heavier. I assume the Mustang is very heavy with 100 kW battery and 3.1 miles per kw is not really good enough looking at the cost of it. Perhaps drive it in efficiency settings and see if you get better miles per kw ? Do Tesla cars with bigger batteries do better ? I think most manufacturers use the 58 to 60 kW battery size as it gives a 200 mile usable range with pretty good efficiency at 3.5 to 4 miles per kw.
*kWh not kW.
@@stephenholland5930 tyypo
Great little insight into ev life, just shows how it could work for some people 👍 well done Pete
Thanks Chap 👍
And this is why those cars with shorter range will become more expensive - there is no more range anxiety.
If 100-200 people stay In a hotel and 50% have bev cars, how many hotels have you seen with at least 50 chargers in car park???? This is all idealistic talk. It will never work for masses
Sorry to say, but..I don’t think your comment will age very well.
Hi Pete, another great video! I’m close to buying an EV and the Mach E is on my shortlist. Keep up the good work! ps. Hope you repaid your generous friend for the electricity you used whilst charging 😀😀
Evening mate, EV’s are slowly making us change the way we think, just as we predicted, just a case of getting the Electricity costs to go back down. 👍🇬🇧
Peter that is a great car the mustang and for being a electric what a good lot of milage you get on a charge ,very good ,i like the Mustang Mach-E and the layout in the car , and the design of the car ,other then that a great car ,if i had the money i would buy one thank you Peter take care
Cheers John 👍
Great vid Pete ! That Hyundai concept is epic looking mate👍🏻🇨🇦!!
Sure is 👍
Thanks for sharing your experience Pete very interesting & truthful as always think living with a EV is getting easier but are they good value I'm not sure but like the Ford & would be my choice.
So many factors to be taken into account 👍
Always interesting. An EV would still do my head in.
Hello ped hope you are well?
Great video mate
Thanks 👍
Just found your video/channel. Like the Mach E content.
Welcome aboard!
I’ve not succumbed to EV’s yet…some day probably. However when I hear all this kW per hour stuff and miles per kW etc I have no idea how that translates to whether it’s good or bad. Can you do a video about those numbers? Thanks.
Video on charging coming soon 👍
Interesting video....I very much like the look of the Mach E.
A question re "ABC, always be charging", does this shorten battery life?
People used to think so because cycling the battery is how these things age. but there's more damaging Cycles 0-100%, lots of rapid charging etc and less damaging ones like home charging or little charges.
Main takeaway don't stress about it, battery Will last longer than the car. Don't leave at 100 for too long if you don't have to. Keep to 40-80% if you have plenty of range and small journeys for maximum preservation but doesn't matter really at all.just do what makes you comfortable
There are so many theories about how charging techniques effect battery life. I think this is less of a problem than people make out 😜
Very interesting Pete! Little by little, the step towards going full EV seems less of a giant leap ! Cheers, Tom.
Indeed 👍
need to reset the battery range counter...transforms expected range
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Brill as always. We're are the bike vids and what are the lectures you do. I am sure they are as good as your video.
I’ve taught mobile telecommunications technologies for the last 25 years 👍
I was in Sales most of my life mostly in the cycle industry and retired from I would say the best wholesalers in the UK most probably Europe. I have been on countless sales courses so appreciate listening to someone who knows how to talk.
But we're are the bike videos.
I watch a lot of EV vids trying to get my head around what all the fuss is about. I currently drive a new Lexus Hybrid. I see still see no reason to buy an EV. I like the look of the Mac-e shame they don’t make a hybrid!😂
Enjoyed your video, thank you but it would be great to hear about the cost of charging? I guess is cheap when you use your mates electricity! 😂😂
Since electric cars are much heavier than petrol ones - do the tyres last less time?
Yeah they will go through tyres a bit quicker since more weight and lots of torque, but they go through brakes much slower since you can use the regen most of the time. Pluses and minuses.
Hard acceleration and driving will result in faster wear. Tyres tend to be a slightly different compound to ICE cars as they are focussed on efficiency and sound reduction 👍
yes. My mate works at a specialist garage that repairs and services EVs. He says that a lot of them chomp through tyres.
Looking forward to this video
Hope you liked it 😜
OMG the first Hyundai looks like a Delorean or a modern version of the 1980's car.
When you think the new MG4 long range is 280 miles for half the price of the Mach E
Yep…good car 👍