It's rare/easy to avoid if you're not a perfectionist about any one take. But you can also keep the cameras rolling and just restart the track in garage band or whatever DAW you're using, and trust final cut to sync it.
True. I guess there is a solution to that too however, if you use multicam and record several takes. If you make a mistake in bar 44 in take 1 say, but that bar was ok in take 2, you could probably stitch those takes together in a good spot in the audio file, but that needs to be accompanied by another video angle from that same take. Else I have the same issue as you. Usually end up with 10 takes and pick the best one.
I just get a large memory and keep on going then just trim it when im satisfied.. but then if youre good at improvising and you forgot the part you can just make your own part and get away with it..
This is great, thanks! I started doing this recently, rig: - EAD10 - On my Mac: GarageBand, Moises AI for a drumless track (on my Mac) - iPad for video. Process: I'd start the video recording on the iPad, sit down, start the drumless audio backing + record my drums on the mac (into GarageBand with two tracks: drumless audio, and my drumming). Where I was tearing my hair out was that I'd bring the native iPad video into iMovie (which is longer than the audio because I started it first), and bring the exported audio mix (drums + music) from GarageBand into iMovie...but syncing them was a total nightmare in iMovie. I just couldn't, it wouldn't let me fine tune syncing (even with snapping off), and couldn't sync it. Sounds like my solution for this, so I can continue using two devices (iPad for video, Mac for audio > full mixdown) is to switch to FinalCut pro. Sound right? Also wondering about CapCut, looks easier to use and has fine tuning capabilities for syncing tracks and editing.
Update: Simple fix, I now use CapCut which is amazing, has some nice power, and features + templates. And for the problem I was having, it's fantastic because CapCut allows you to zoom in on the track timeline and move everything in place just to where you want it. I synced my audio and video track in less than 5min
Dear 80/20 drummer. I'm a 70 YO, resurrected Non Gig player (play for pleasure in retirement to My Music). recentky i went to function with a small live band. The drummer was pretty dynamic - close knit band at a bar / grill. I couldn't get over how great he sounded. Lush & Loud Cymbal crashes . using a Tama Kit. I understand the drums were Miked up , but i didn't see any mics on or near the cymbals. Am i missing something as to the outstanding sound of the Cymbals - I think they were Zildians. I never did any recording, and don't have any recording abilities or know-how other than using a mic on cassette recorder or my phone. I will study this video i have a lot to learn if only for general interest. Who knows, maybe a Geriatric band nearby me could materialize for extra fun!! Nothing like Live music.
You want to hit the cymbals with a glancing blow rather than straight on. Not only does it keep the volume down but it makes it sound way better. A nice, loud kick drum hit with the cymbal helps too. For some reason the two together with a proper blend make each other sound better.
Thanks. I realized the EAD was not needed since I have an electronic drum set and can use the Roland module. I do love your playing and other tips. Thanks again.
Flip the camera on a phone/iThing/etc to the selfie cam, put the thing in the place where you can a.) hear your drums the best, and b.) they sound fairly crappy. There's a reason for this -- when I record like that and I'm off/make a mistake/etc it really stands out. I know that I can't "hide" behind the mic or editing or anything else. It also means there's zero to almost zero editing (just cutting of stuff at the start and end that isn't part of the song). Very much IMHO I think it's best to approach it as doing it for yourself, to improve your playing, rather than making things nice for presentation purposes. In my experience if I'm "on" then the sound quality doesn't really matter, plus I know that I got there the old-fashioned way, by actually playing the part right. Anyways, I'm an old-school sort of person so it's o.k. to disregard all of what I just wrote.
I like the idea of the EAD10, but it's just pricey enough ($600 now) that I'd rather save up and get an interface + 2-4 mics, stands, and cables. Better audio quality, expandable, can be used to record other instruments, and no extraneous features. (And it doesn't prevent me from mounting percussion to my bass drum hoop.) If you have extra cymbal stands, you can get an adapter and use them as mic stands to save money as well. Maybe if there were a version of the EAD10 that's just for recording, without the effects and triggers, for ~$350 or so, I'd consider it. BTW, stereo mini jack = 3.5mm = 1/8", not 1/16".
Seems very confusing. I have a laptop, but I don’t have WiFi, I have a old iPhone 6 , don’t have iMovie, I only have one microphone. The fact that I can’t afford wifi is the worst part , so am I out of luck for doing a drum cover.?
I don’t record super hi quality stuff for my TH-cam channel, but something Iydo is mic the drums with 3 mics, a kick an overhead and maybe a snare. But I record sound and video at the same time, take an out from the mixer and plug it in the camera. save me a lot of editing, which is something I don’t like to do anyway. And I don’t use special lighting or anything, just try to get everything done in one take. I guess I do it more for my own enjoyment than anything else. Anyway, good video.
I have a solution for you to be able to hit record from behind the drums. A Bluetooth keyboard for your laptop. In Logic Pro, I just hit R to record, spacebar to stop etc. Hope that helps. Thanks for the tips.
And: here’s one more (in between) step/option. The EAD10 with 5 extra triggers. Some more money, but then you can really even out the sound and control the EAD10 in a better way. Sound sample here ✌🏻🤩 th-cam.com/users/shorts4QYisw0hWN8?feature=share
I saw that Gibraltar just released at NAMM a 3-mic pack for drums-I think bass, snare/hat, and overhead. It’d be cool if you could get one for review, and let us know your thoughts.
Can you use the EAD10 with a separate interface? Say, I wanted to have the drums mainly from the EAD10 + 2 overhead mics for cymbals? And on the EAD10, does it just clean up your existing drum sounds according to whatever preset you use or does it more or less sample replace the pieces(drum shells primarily)??
Nice. The only thing I might implement in the future is the multi-cam angle, but apparently I am already on the so called "pro" level, recording Weckl, Porcaro, Garibaldi and Portnoy with a DSLR overhead, teamed with a bunch of mics. Then post prod in Premiere or Vegas. The only vid that was frowned upon by YT so far was Erotomania since Petrucci apparently guards his playing immensely:(. Worked fine with just the bass and Moore though. As for your monitoring/playback dilemma: I listen back to the drumless track (fixed in iZotope RX) on my Iphone - not in the DAW. Still need to go and hit Record a few feet/meters away, but no rush, since I line the drumless track up with my final multi take afterwards. Remote control on the camera though.
okay. I've been playing for 13 years and have never seen a square or rectangular cymbal! what the heck? what is it called?? Also, thank you for this video! very useful.
Hold on, for the EAD10 ‘follow the same procedure’?? Don’t do that! The whole point of the EAD is it means you don’t have to do any of those things. You import the track into your iPhone (drumless via Moises if you like), record your cover using your phone (the EAD pairs with a free app) then that’s it. Done. The video, drum audio and original track are all ready to export (adjusting your drum versus track level beforehand in the app if required) and upload to TH-cam, Insta, etc. You don’t need a laptop or video editing software.
I use the EAD10 frequently and I agree it's quite straight forward both with and without video. It can even be used with mesh heads and triggers if you live, as I do, in a condo.
@Ned Potter Yeah but if you do that then you have to play along to a drumless track which for me ain’t as nice as hearing the original drums and just overlaying that on top of the drumless track in post.
@@julesdrums6167 yeah I do the same thing usually - play along with the original track, then export the video with the drum audio only from the EAD’s app, then add the drumless audio afterwards.
Check my channel for some bare bones drum covers LOL. I had a supposed drum teacher comment on my drum cover shitting all over me because I jokingly called my noob self Vinnie Coliauta Jr. 😂
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The part noone talks about tho: Making a mistake halfway through the song and having to press all the record buttons again and again.
It's rare/easy to avoid if you're not a perfectionist about any one take. But you can also keep the cameras rolling and just restart the track in garage band or whatever DAW you're using, and trust final cut to sync it.
True. I guess there is a solution to that too however, if you use multicam and record several takes. If you make a mistake in bar 44 in take 1 say, but that bar was ok in take 2, you could probably stitch those takes together in a good spot in the audio file, but that needs to be accompanied by another video angle from that same take. Else I have the same issue as you. Usually end up with 10 takes and pick the best one.
I just get a large memory and keep on going then just trim it when im satisfied.. but then if youre good at improvising and you forgot the part you can just make your own part and get away with it..
This is great, thanks! I started doing this recently, rig:
- EAD10
- On my Mac: GarageBand, Moises AI for a drumless track (on my Mac)
- iPad for video.
Process: I'd start the video recording on the iPad, sit down, start the drumless audio backing + record my drums on the mac (into GarageBand with two tracks: drumless audio, and my drumming). Where I was tearing my hair out was that I'd bring the native iPad video into iMovie (which is longer than the audio because I started it first), and bring the exported audio mix (drums + music) from GarageBand into iMovie...but syncing them was a total nightmare in iMovie. I just couldn't, it wouldn't let me fine tune syncing (even with snapping off), and couldn't sync it. Sounds like my solution for this, so I can continue using two devices (iPad for video, Mac for audio > full mixdown) is to switch to FinalCut pro. Sound right? Also wondering about CapCut, looks easier to use and has fine tuning capabilities for syncing tracks and editing.
Update: Simple fix, I now use CapCut which is amazing, has some nice power, and features + templates. And for the problem I was having, it's fantastic because CapCut allows you to zoom in on the track timeline and move everything in place just to where you want it. I synced my audio and video track in less than 5min
@@grosenberg68 Awesome. Thanks for sharing.
Dear 80/20 drummer. I'm a 70 YO, resurrected Non Gig player (play for pleasure in retirement to My Music). recentky i went to function with a small live band. The drummer was pretty dynamic - close knit band at a bar / grill. I couldn't get over how great he sounded. Lush & Loud Cymbal crashes . using a Tama Kit. I understand the drums were Miked up , but i didn't see any mics on or near the cymbals. Am i missing something as to the outstanding sound of the Cymbals - I think they were Zildians. I never did any recording, and don't have any recording abilities or know-how other than using a mic on cassette recorder or my phone. I will study this video i have a lot to learn if only for general interest. Who knows, maybe a Geriatric band nearby me could materialize for extra fun!! Nothing like Live music.
You want to hit the cymbals with a glancing blow rather than straight on. Not only does it keep the volume down but it makes it sound way better. A nice, loud kick drum hit with the cymbal helps too. For some reason the two together with a proper blend make each other sound better.
ZILDJIANS!!! That would be why!
probably just really good cymbals and room
Thanks. I realized the EAD was not needed since I have an electronic drum set and can use the Roland module. I do love your playing and other tips. Thanks again.
Flip the camera on a phone/iThing/etc to the selfie cam, put the thing in the place where you can a.) hear your drums the best, and b.) they sound fairly crappy. There's a reason for this -- when I record like that and I'm off/make a mistake/etc it really stands out. I know that I can't "hide" behind the mic or editing or anything else. It also means there's zero to almost zero editing (just cutting of stuff at the start and end that isn't part of the song). Very much IMHO I think it's best to approach it as doing it for yourself, to improve your playing, rather than making things nice for presentation purposes. In my experience if I'm "on" then the sound quality doesn't really matter, plus I know that I got there the old-fashioned way, by actually playing the part right. Anyways, I'm an old-school sort of person so it's o.k. to disregard all of what I just wrote.
I just want to avoid copyright
Outstanding. Thanks!
Crazy setup in the drum studio 👌🏽
I like the idea of the EAD10, but it's just pricey enough ($600 now) that I'd rather save up and get an interface + 2-4 mics, stands, and cables. Better audio quality, expandable, can be used to record other instruments, and no extraneous features. (And it doesn't prevent me from mounting percussion to my bass drum hoop.) If you have extra cymbal stands, you can get an adapter and use them as mic stands to save money as well. Maybe if there were a version of the EAD10 that's just for recording, without the effects and triggers, for ~$350 or so, I'd consider it.
BTW, stereo mini jack = 3.5mm = 1/8", not 1/16".
And what a great idea to show how to record a drum cover that making a cover of The Grid by Tigran Hamasyan 👌🏻
Seems very confusing.
I have a laptop, but I don’t have WiFi, I have a old iPhone 6 , don’t have iMovie, I only have one microphone.
The fact that I can’t afford wifi is the worst part , so am I out of luck for doing a drum cover.?
You have a square cymbal??!! Sick!
would love a rundown of your cymbals
Love it! Thank you for sharing. Do you ever run into issues with copyright and videos being blocked when doing a cover?
yes! always. The video I link to on the card explores that more.
I don’t record super hi quality stuff for my TH-cam channel, but something Iydo is mic the drums with 3 mics, a kick an overhead and maybe a snare. But I record sound and video at the same time, take an out from the mixer and plug it in the camera. save me a lot of editing, which is something I don’t like to do anyway. And I don’t use special lighting or anything, just try to get everything done in one take. I guess I do it more for my own enjoyment than anything else. Anyway, good video.
I have a solution for you to be able to hit record from behind the drums. A Bluetooth keyboard for your laptop. In Logic Pro, I just hit R to record, spacebar to stop etc. Hope that helps. Thanks for the tips.
Love the no nonsense!
Awesome video!
Where is that song at :21 from? I remember watching David Garibaldi play it but I can’t remember the song
I think it's "Escape from Oakland"!! I recognized it too!
unique
Very helpful information! Thank you kindly good sir.
And: here’s one more (in between) step/option. The EAD10 with 5 extra triggers. Some more money, but then you can really even out the sound and control the EAD10 in a better way.
Sound sample here ✌🏻🤩
th-cam.com/users/shorts4QYisw0hWN8?feature=share
I thought the EAD10 only had 3 extra inputs for triggers? Are you using splitters or something to get more?
@@drummerdan95 Yes, splitters is the answer. I made a tutorial some time ago, here you go 👍🏻🤩
th-cam.com/video/B737ieTS_x0/w-d-xo.html
I saw that Gibraltar just released at NAMM a 3-mic pack for drums-I think bass, snare/hat, and overhead. It’d be cool if you could get one for review, and let us know your thoughts.
Can you use the EAD10 with a separate interface?
Say, I wanted to have the drums mainly from the EAD10 + 2 overhead mics for cymbals?
And on the EAD10, does it just clean up your existing drum sounds according to whatever preset you use or does it more or less sample replace the pieces(drum shells primarily)??
Wait why bother setting up your 20 mics if you don't even mix them?! Sounded worse than the EAD mic, at least that was in proper stereo.
🤷♂️🤷♂️ fun? I guess?
UNIQUE
"official" covers. I like it 🤣
@@8020drummer MUCH LOVE
Nice. The only thing I might implement in the future is the multi-cam angle, but apparently I am already on the so called "pro" level, recording Weckl, Porcaro, Garibaldi and Portnoy with a DSLR overhead, teamed with a bunch of mics. Then post prod in Premiere or Vegas. The only vid that was frowned upon by YT so far was Erotomania since Petrucci apparently guards his playing immensely:(. Worked fine with just the bass and Moore though.
As for your monitoring/playback dilemma: I listen back to the drumless track (fixed in iZotope RX) on my Iphone - not in the DAW. Still need to go and hit Record a few feet/meters away, but no rush, since I line the drumless track up with my final multi take afterwards. Remote control on the camera though.
My question is how do you get the music in the video?
Nice video, can u upload the full cover?
two full versions on my instagram
okay. I've been playing for 13 years and have never seen a square or rectangular cymbal! what the heck? what is it called?? Also, thank you for this video! very useful.
what is the original track for ?
are those not 8th in jacks, not 16th?
Way to go.
What is the name of the app in the mobile phone?
What’s the haitus kaiyote song at the start?
Hold on, for the EAD10 ‘follow the same procedure’?? Don’t do that! The whole point of the EAD is it means you don’t have to do any of those things.
You import the track into your iPhone (drumless via Moises if you like), record your cover using your phone (the EAD pairs with a free app) then that’s it. Done.
The video, drum audio and original track are all ready to export (adjusting your drum versus track level beforehand in the app if required) and upload to TH-cam, Insta, etc. You don’t need a laptop or video editing software.
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I use the EAD10 frequently and I agree it's quite straight forward both with and without video. It can even be used with mesh heads and triggers if you live, as I do, in a condo.
@@carlupthegrove262 that’s a god tier tip holy shit
@Ned Potter Yeah but if you do that then you have to play along to a drumless track which for me ain’t as nice as hearing the original drums and just overlaying that on top of the drumless track in post.
@@julesdrums6167 yeah I do the same thing usually - play along with the original track, then export the video with the drum audio only from the EAD’s app, then add the drumless audio afterwards.
Gracias
Check my channel for some bare bones drum covers LOL. I had a supposed drum teacher comment on my drum cover shitting all over me because I jokingly called my noob self Vinnie Coliauta Jr. 😂
Na no thanks need something easy a easy setup