I've witnessed deer stopping in their tracks to figure out where the sound is coming from. So while loud pipes may not save your life with humans, they WILL get an animal's attention from farther away giving you more time to react thus saving your life.
"Doesn't matter how loud your exhaust is" is a fundamentally wrong statement rgd the laws of physics. You can say it matters less, but it definitely is more audible the louder a sound is. Esp if windows are open/old poorly insulated cars. We have all heard straight piped cars from the next street over that makes you look around. If back protectors save you 5% of the time, loud pipes will save you at least 10%. And I definitely would not discourage people from doing anything that could save their lives/limbs even 1% of the time.
fact i live in australia and have been riding at track on rc390 every now and again i think id live on a r1 if i could but i have to stay under 650cc or a ceratain power to wieght
That I can definitely attest to , heard the husband pulling into the garage...and out the door I went. Jeans and boots- putting everything else on outside. Put your pants on, never try to fight naked.
As my old man told me when I got my first bike, little CBR600 FY with the foxeyes, loved that thing...anyway, he said "there are old riders, there are bold riders, but I don't know many old bold riders" after I smashed myself up on a curb 3 years later I understood him. Got out of hospital, took the insurance money and bought another.
3:50 Facts. Yesterday I was a passenger in a car and didn't know a bike was nearby until it pulled alongside us, but his exhaust was so loud I heard him for at least a half mile of distance between us. He either had straight pipes or no pipes, I'm actually not sure which.
Loud pipes don't save lives, just like high-vis gear doesn't guarantee that you'll be seen and acknowledged. It's just another form of visibility, not a guarantee of safety. But still, if even one person a week hears my bike as I move through their blind spot and it prevents them from trying to change lanes into me, I think it's worth it.
Keep blasting my ears as your silly pipes aren't saving you. Your noise makers are aiming in the entirely wrong direction. If you want to convince me it's for safety aim your exhaust forward.
@@JohnnyD1993 Unless your motorcycle travels faster than sound, that's a poor argument. You can definitely hear motorcycles with loud pipes coming from behind on the freeway at a "react-able" distance. Then you have in-city riding at slower speeds where it's even more noticeable at greater distances
@@ice5098 exactly! I have stock pipe and a can hear a guy approaching me with straight exhaust. I don't know why they pretend that we live in vacuum. Sound from exhaust goes in all directions
@@ice5098 it's only noticable by the time you make it to my door. Then it's ear piercingly loud. Obnoxious. My argument stands. If you want to claim it's for safety point your exhaust forward. If you don't think your exhaust sound is unpleasant go run a jackhammer without ear protection. Extremely similar DB levels and it's painful to run one without ear pro.
On #4 - one of my MSF instructors shared a story about riding through a deer carcass (it was probably a few days old) and coming out fine. The shop didn't like how much cleaning they had to do with his bike, though.
Loud pipes absolutely do save lives. Would've walked straight into a bike on a blind corner while crossing the road, but I heard him coming first. He came out on the road exactly where I would have been standing/walking in a car park had I not heard him. I genuinely remember having the thought "op, can hear a bike, should probably just hang back a second see if he's coming first". There has also been multiple instances where I myself have been riding, filtering especially, where the sound of my bike genuinely helps car drivers know that I'm there. I know this from experiencing a 125 that you could barely hear, and having more cars pull out on me than ever, to a 650 with a decent sound to it, and significantly less people pulling out on me, moving over, or realizing that i'm coming up. Driving down residential areas with 10 ton of parked cars either side, I can see people are hearing me, before they're seeing me, and they wait before crossing. They are so important, and they make such a difference. I cannot agree with your statement on that at all.
I can't even begin to count how many times I have seen loud pipes cause dangerous situations on the road. Usually from spooking other riders or cars causing them to swerve without looking at what they swerve into. With cars especially the driver hearse it and swerves away from the largest thing they see visually which is usually another car or truck. Loud pipes saves lives is nothing more than a sales pitch that started in the mid 70's as a way for dealerships to sell aftermarket products on new bikes and get the wife's approval. Better off learning to ride as though you are invisible always giving yourself as many outs as possible rather than relying on other people seeing or hearing you. Electric bikes are an entry different experience because you are able to hear everything going on around you. It is especially a noticeable difference in intersections.
@@MexiKen516 lol If you're that jumpy and unreasonably reactive you shouldn't be driving on the road. Who the hell swerves because of a loud sound? That's absurd. I was not even talking about obnoxiously loud pipes that pop and bang, that you can hear from 10 miles away. Not that I personally have any issue with that at all myself, nor believe they could possibly cause any form of accident through sound alone. I was talking about having a reasonable amount of sound so you can actually be heard.
@@MexiKen516 I'm guessing you're also probably American. I'd love to put you on small narrow UK roads, pedestrians on every corner, pot holes to avoid, cross roads, junctions, and plenty of parked cars down it and just enough room to squeeze a car through and see how you do if you're on a silent bike x'D.
@@PunkdRebel Who the hell is that jumpy? If you ask me, the majority of people who have licenses probably shouldn't be driving. I have personally seen it time and time again over the last 47 years of riding. I have seen track day riders get spooked by loud pipes as they are passed in corners causing them to straight line off the track. Loud pipes save lives is a myth. I'm not opposed to loud pipes, I have tested some pre production pipes and full systems for a few manufacturers that have been obnoxiously loud, but they definitely don't save lives.
@@MexiKen516 since riding like you're invisible and having an out is your end all solution I suppose we shouldn't wear anything reflective, or any gear at all right? No one is dumb enough to assume loud pipes are a 100% solution, but my loud pipes do not prevent me from being alert, wearing reflective gear, and assuming I'm invisible. Sure on the highway cars likely won't hear you coming up, but with slower traffic and more pedestrians you can easily hear loud cars, motorcycles, and even trucks with mud tires coming down the road before you see them.
Loud pipes save pedestrian and cyclists lives. Approach a group of cyclists or a busy city plaza on an electric bike and tell me how unaware and spooked everyone acts compared to a loud bike
I like my 'electronic' aids thank you bery much... ill be over here buzzing with a funny looking grin on my face .... its a ktm 390 on my L's ... ditry bird..
The loud pipe on my bike saves the lives of wild critters from squirrels and rabbits to deer and birds. I watch them scatter well before I get into range close enough to have an issue with them.. This in turn also may save my life, too.
Yammie yesterday morning I absolutely smoked a raccoon going 60 on a back road and stayed upright. The only thing it hurt was my ego. I cracked some of the lower plastics on my ninja but other than that I’m fine. I stopped to gather myself because I was a bit shook but no leaks, tires had air, and I was on my way
The only time "Tire = faster" is true is when you ride a dualsport and go from a 70/30 offroad tire to something like a 80/20 street tire. My DR picked up about 15kph in top end speed and at least another 60km for range when I switched to essentially a full street tire.
There is always a definitive advantage to use a RR vs a touring tyre on any bike. Especially for the front wheel. Of course, you have to let it heat if you live in a cold country, but I live in Seville. Advantage in curves, as very sticky tyres can even lower your max speed in straight bits precisely due to the fact that it sticks to the road. :-)
its safer to just stay out of the blind spot :-) But yes, loud pipes can alert people to your presence long before a wreck situation is happening. It can help, that the people you are driving down the road for the next 10 miles around know you are there instead of just texting the whole 10 miles.
Most guys ik that lower there psi in the tires is on in the rear and that's so they can hook em better if they're stunting, creates more surface area contact which makes more grip
@@runninggag1077 lmfao you don't know how sound travels do you. Here is a simple experiment you can try. Go by a blow horn, since is clear you don't have a bike with loud pipes, and point it away from you. Activate the blow horn. Notice how even though its pointed away from you you can still hear it, and pretty loudly I might add. If you point it toward you it will be even louder but its plenty loud when pointed away from you as well. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
@@jamwheeler He's commented the same type of response a few times. Sadly he's not the only one and it makes me sad that some of those people actually operate a motorcycle but don't know simple physics.
Regarding ear plugs- you can get custom made ear plugs to fit your ears for about $100. They work great and allowed me to keep riding after ear damage that caused ringing due to the wind noies. Google "custom made earplugs" for a specialist near you.
Loud pipe kinda really saved my life, i hate loud obnoxiously exhaust, but for me there is a sweet spot where pedestrian and alike could here you from a distance and get their attention to be aware that you are coming. Multiple times i been crossed here in the streets if philippines when i still had my stock exhaust, now that i have a straight exhaust pedestrian and puv vehicles now hear me coming and are aware. it differs from country to country.
Excellent video again. Best expression of why track tyres are useless on the road I've come across. I've seen some car accidents that are absolutely because of poor tyre choice, one where circuit wet slicks were being used on the road, made worse because they had too many miles on them, and also were expired.
O.K. we need the last word on the 'Loud Pipes" debate and I with my considerable wisdom and experience will provide it. Yes, I have heard motorcycles in my blind spot due to their load exhaust. No, we don't have to hear them from two counties over. Final word, Get a moderately louder exhaust if you feel the need or like the note but please spare the rest of us from the straight pipes or megaphone skull poppers. Personally, I'll take my stock pipes and the 'risk'.,
Yep if you want to maintain the engine you're better off staying on the oil changes and not leaving stale gas in the carbs if storing for prolonged periods. Unless your bike is super old and not tolerant to ethanol additive.
Highway safer? out west maybe? try riding on the highways in Connecticut and Massachusetts with all the guys in BMW’s Civics, Acuras doing 85+ weaving though spaces I usually don’t dare take my Ninja 1000 through.
i use 99/97 octane fuel. but ive got to say, loud pipes may not save lives. but they definitely make you more known on the road. just like louder horns.
Loud Pipes work very well in parking lots to stop people reversing into me and in pedestrian crosswalks to tell people to hurry the fuck up. (that saves their life)
Also if you believe that one time in history someone has heard a motorcycle before they saw it and looked preventing a potentially fatal accident, then the statement is true. And I’m pretty sure if we’re all honest with ourselves we can think of more than one time loud pipes have alerted you or someone else.
Na I actually typically roll my eyes and turn up my radio. Thinking about it every car I've been in people just turn up their music when they hear a loud engine 🤔.
@@void970t5 Well you clearly don’t enjoy engines then.. I absolutely lover hearing loud engines whether they be petrol, diesel, motorbikes literally anything! I turn down my radio when something loud and cool sounding comes by.
Lmao put an aero spike on it to decrease airflow in, add some holes in the back to allow pressure and gas to escape and boom. Your the dumbest person on the road
There is literally never a situation in which your pipes saves your life. Similarly with honking. There is never a situation where honking your horn will save your life. How many emergency vehicles have been behind you in a car and you didn't hear their sirens until they were literally in front of you already? Those are gonna catch driver's attention more than an exhaust because they've been trained to pay attention, vs most car drivers forgetting motorcyclists still drive on public roads.
@@spicytea735 countless times my exhaust being loud asf has saved me like when people are about to pull out on you and you just give it a bit more rpm n they notice you
@@spicytea735 it literally saved me yesterday and 2 weeks ago where the drivers were about to turn into my lane on intersection and stopped suddenly thanks to my exhaust ( it’s not obnoxious but not stock either)
@@josephsarach6872 ive got a ninja 400 with a leo vince gp evo and with the baffles in its just as loud as you need it and its not even that loud, go ahead and get a full system and take the baffels out but dont lie to yourself and other people that it brings attention to you
I have my loud pipes save me all the time and have for decades! I will pop around a curve and the deer are already running Instead of just standing there in the road!
Anecdotally, loud pipe candace lives, in certain situations. Had a woman in a minivan, using her phone and drinking a pop, start to pull off the ramp, towards me. Throttle crack woke her up, made her drop the phone, and fall 8n behind me. Generally speaking, bright colored gear works better to keep you safe than removing the baffles ever will.
When I started riding I was told during motorcycle safety course that it is impossible to flip your motorcycle applying the front brake to hard. It was a popular myth.
For me the helmet and hearing myth and ear plug one are actually true due to me having conductive hearing loss but for most folks it's complete and utter bs and loud pipes save lives for me because I can here my engine rpm and make shore I'm in the correct gear
SO if loud pipes dont save lives then why in the hell does every car, truck, and motorcycle on the face of the planet have a freaking horn????. oh BTW the Doppler effect only happens when one object travels past a stationary observer.
@@runninggag1077 umm how fast does sound travel? Tell a friend to stand 10 feet away from you, face you, and yell. You'll hear it loudly. Now have them face away from you and yell. If you can still hear it, albeit a slight bit quieter, then you've disproven your own argument.
Doppler effect happens when one object is passing another object. The other object does not havento be stationary, there needs to be a speed difference. If you do 30 ad an ambo comes up from behind with 50 and passes you... You will experience dp.
I'd agree loud pipes don't necessarily save lives... but you can absolutely hear them long before they get to you. I can hear bikes before they even turn onto my street. Another hard aspect of proving they do/don't save lives is.. If someone noticed a bike by sound, therefore didn't cut them off and potentially kill them, you would never know about it. The ONLY logical statement you could make on this topic is they can POTENTIALLY save lives (unless you can pull evidence to support one statement or another). Ever notice on drive-by videos showcasing exhaust you can hear the bike before it passes the camera? hm also I hit a deer, didn't wreck. Myth busted lol
Shhhh keeps your basic experiments and understanding that it is not a black and white debate out of here! How dare you say the inability to reliably document the times loud pipes have saved a life is relevant when at least one person was hit by a car even though they had loud pipes!
One statistic missing in why older people get killed. From my experience. Most older people have more free time, to put down more miles. Do not disagree with Yammie. I ride with BACA, us older people can afford to and have the time to go to events every weekend. Some of our younger riders got things like family and work getting in the way. My wife and I think nothing of hopping on our bikes and cruising a few hundred miles on a Tuesday, just because. I am on pace for 20K miles in a year, before retirement maybe 5 or 6 K, with that much commuting to work.
Here's the thing about loud pipes: 1: A loud pipe produces more sound than a quieter pipe. Which travels farther, and with more energy. 2: The frequency of the exhaust noise matter more than the DB. Higher pitched sounds are deflected and absorbed by materials much easier. Anyone with any audio tech knowledge knows that the hardest sound to deaden is low frequency sounds because they pass right through objects. The fact remains that a High pitch loud pipe will be killed by the cars body before a low pitch loud pipe will. Running a low pitch quieter pipe is actually better than running a high pitch louder pipe simply because of sound absorption. What you're describing with the Doppler effect is actually a pitch/frequency change. If you throw a baseball out of a car going 20mph, you're adding 20mph to your throw. If you throw sound from an object, your speed increases the compression which then increases the pitch. Higher pitch = more easily absorbed. Then when leaving you're sound is pulled away, making the pitch lower which is easier to hear. This means that pitch shifting your exhaust down will increase the likelyhood of someone hearing you. Increase the DB level will also increase the likelihood of someone hearing you. Making ANYTHING more agressive increases the likelihood of someone seeing/hearing you. Brighter lights, neon, reflectors and yes, a louder bike. People have literally been hit by electric vehicles in parking lots because they didn't hear them, or thought they were a bicycle. Sound plays an import role for drivers, just *not as much as sight*. Which is where this notion of "doesn't matter how loud the pipes are" come from. Because people think drivers are deaf and only use their vision. Which couldn't be farther from the truth. They just use it *more*. For instance, Riding a zero FX with literally no sound vs riding a fat pipe is going to change how people react when you're nearby. It's just a fact that more noise is more noticeable (depending on frequency and blockage to the ears)
I drive a 125cc on highways (it's legal in my country) almost everyday to go to work and I can tell you I had more close calls while riding in the streets. It just takes time to pass trucks is all.
Look, I'm not a proponent of loud pipes. But your argument against "LPSL" isn't made in good faith. "Not going to hear" And "less likely to hear" Is two entirely different things. As someone who's blasting music with my windows up in my car, I can ALWAYS hear a loud motorcycle coming up behind me, despite my music, and my car; being louder. And it's not just about coming up behind a car in traffic. Hearing a bike coming that you don't see, when turning out of a parking lot, etc. These are all relevant points that you overlook completely. Do loud pipes save lives? I don't know. Is someone more likely to be aware of your presence? Yes. And isn't that what you want, when riding a motorcycle? Yes. And for the record, I think Harleys are fucking garbage. I said what I said.
I’ve been wearing noise-canceling headphones under my helmet for ten years. The only time this hasn’t worked for me (10 years of riding city/country, over 100k miles on two wheels) is when people try to talk to me with my helmet on. No, I can’t hear you at all. I can hear everything else, though. That said, I’m kinda going deaf there days (genetic) and I can barely make out what most folks are saying these days with or without a helmet. 😓 Also, being older, I see my peers riding without a helmet (as it’s legal where I just moved to) and I get a lot of amused glances my way for being in full gear. I like my brain in my head and I’ve been hit by a car once already (which the only part of me injured was the part without proper gear as the old legs have a bit of road-rash).
@@sipho.tography I’ve got multiple pairs. The Bose do the best for noise cancellation (but were bloody expensive and if your helmet is tight, they’ll ache after about 200 miles or so, but save your sanity), but my go-to is a pair of Plantronics Go 410s (equal parts affordable, durable and with decent sound quality)
Not a fan of loud pipes but it can't possibly do anything other than help signal your approach. What you said about Doppler is often true of quiet pipes because the limited sound output is too high pitched to be prominent from the front with Doppler shift: however loud pipes allow one to hear cylinder beats and usually at a low enough pitch to still be audible even with Doppler. Low pitch sound diffracts more easily and scatters widely and you can witness this by listening to a Harley or a single with a slip-on exhaust: they can easily be heard on approach. As an additional physics lesson, high octane fuel absolutely can boost power because eliminating pre ignition does just that, allowing the piston to compress further before ignition and getting a longer stroke after
I should add that the high octane only works in engines with a compression ratio which is suited to it, but seeing as the difference was noticeable even in an old GM C16SE engine I had in a car I think most recent bikes would benefit.
Stuff on the road....GRASS CLIPPINGS!!! The no helmet argument....I just can't! Put on your bucket!! For everything! Hockey, football, biking, riding a motorcycle, skateboarding.....there is way too much that can happen way too fast, just put it on!!!!
For 6 and 7. That's why Michelin Road 5s are the go to street tyre. They grip enough to drag knee on trackdays straight from the driveway with barely any warming up needed. And then in the wet they're like you've got gluesticks as tyres
Also... them pebbles ain't no joke and neither are them cross walk paint with the high sheen on them. They get slick if a little wet. I've had the ass end kick out on me when I was making a 90° right turn over a crosswalk.😶
Loud pipes is situational. Deers have stopped and not ran across (not all the time), cyclist premptively move back over towards the outer part of the lane (most of the time), pedestrians have waited a few seconds longer (also more often than not) as for people in front of you in a car well shit out of luck for the most part if their other awareness abilities are down regulated.
I'm sorry but I had unbaffled 2.5" straights on a VTX1800 for a few weeks. They were obnoxiously loud. The Harley crowd could not deal with them. I let a friend try it and you could hear this bike easily 1/2 mile away approaching at street speeds and when he drove past on the freeway you could hear it coming a LONG way before it arrived. I understand sound and doppler very well as I was a Sonar Tech in the Navy. Loud is Loud. Loud pipes cannot be ignored. Sound reverberates off of sound walls, bridge abutments, other vehicles, the road ect
Premium fuel won't get you more power on a bike rated for regular fuel. What it CAN do for a bike rated for regular fuel is allow it to use its rated horsepower on those extremely hot days. The ECU can sometimes pull timing, to prevent detonation. Premium fuel can help combat this problem. It might take a couple of tanks of premium for the ECU to adjust itself but it can help. It won't make any extra power but it might be able to maintain it (depending on the bike). For those that already require premium fuel, its already giving you all its got.
For the pipes- if I couldn't hear you over a straight-piped base model Impreza, the guy in the super noise-canceling car won't hear you either, and neither will the guy in a V8 truck with straight pipes. If I can't hear your track-only exhaust until you're within 10' of me, it's not really helping me notice you.
I can't really understand the no helmet idiocy. I mean sure, when I commute between two buildings at my workplace, I often leave the helmet at my office. But there's a literal 20km/h speed limit here, so it's not like anything that bad could happen. I can't ride here faster than bicycle speed. But riding on the streets without a helmet? Whyyyy? Just crossing a highway overpass I hear 2-3 smacks on my helmet every time. That's 2-3 bugs or pebbles that were deflected by the helmet instead of my face. And there we talk about regular riding in the best case scenario (not dropping the bike). A helmet protects you even outside accidents. And you don't really have a chance to survive anything faster than parking lot accident without them. So why on the Earth you wouldn't wear one?
@@davegoldspink5354 I’m one of these young guys but I’m a broke college student who can only afford old bikes. As an engineering student I don’t mind a project, learned how these things work on my 1978 XS400 which will probably be going up for sale soon as I’ve got a 1970 XS1 to replace it
@@daylightbigboy I do auto engineering myself and was an apprentice at the end of the 70s early 80s. I loved building cars and bikes outside of work old twins like yours were great projects and easy to work on as well as being fun to ride. I miss old school and having no computers to deal with. As much as I still work on them and understand them there’s nothing like keeping things simply mechanical.
If anyone were to ride on the north western motorway in Auckland New Zealand during afternoon peak times... they would change their mind on highway riding being safer, and stick to the main roads through the suburbs. particularly if they were to ride past the Patiki road onramp, past the Te-Atatu rd over bridge, to the Linciln Rd off ramp. It's scary enough inside a high tensile steel shell!
Loud pipes do save lives. I’ve had deer literally freak out and not jump in my direction.. being along side semis and or other cars, in their blind spots, ETC, ETC.. there are many examples that Yami doesn’t mention… he’s given false information.
Riding on the streets is safer for overall life. Basically, you may get into more accidents in the city, but they generally aren't major. I don't know of any non-serious freeway accidents.
I actually sawed a deer in half on my bike, and the bike stayed uprigt. I felt the impact, but no wobble or anything. Just rode right through it pretty much
Hummmmmm. OK... I was with you till the end. Fuel octane has nothing to do with "Detonation".... it has to do with the speed the fuel burns at. Also, your engine doesn't "Develop more compression".... that is designed into the engine. And, the pre-detonation "Knock" is NEVER from a second spark in the engine. (where would it come from?) it can be cased by a hot spot... but is generally caused by the rapid, or accelerated burn that goes out of control, and completes before TDC from either too much ignition timing, or too high of compression for the fuel. (Think diesel, and auto ignition without a spark). But to your point... YES... it will absolutely cause engine damage if it's out of control. Now on the REALY bad OPPOSITE side of "Knock"... (and to support your thoughts of not going faster) If you have an engine that is designed and tuned for 87... and you put 93 in it to "Go Faster"... the slower burring, high octane fuel will not be done burning when that exhaust stroke hits. SO... you will over hear the piston crowns, and over heat the exhaust valves. That could lead to melted pistons and melted valves. Back in the day... I always laughed at the 2 stroke guys who would melt pistons every few races, burning race fuel. They would blame lack of oil or bad oil... I would tell them every time, they melted the piston crown with the fuel. (Easy to pick out, it would be a total collapse facing the exhaust port) I went as far as to show them that with caster oil... and CAMPPING FUEL, (FYI 65 oct) I could run my WR250 just as hard as on 87. (yes, a re-jet was needed, but smelled great) Anyway... keep up the good work !!
the thing about hitting stuff while riding. hit home.. keep in mind i have a great knowledge of physics and know why motorcycles and even bicycles like to stay upright while moving. however my first time riding my motorcycle i hit a railroad tie my neighbor had jsut sitting in his yard as a marker for where his septic tank was so folks didn't park on top of it.. while i was in the air.. i didn't think about physics just that.. i'm more important than my bike even if it is brand new. so.. i jumped off and watched as my bike landed fine and rolled on as if nothing was amiss let alone me not being on it.. i remember being so angry at my self for not trusting in physics..
Louder than stock pipes do help people not change lanes into you and lets them know there's something in front of them. I'm not saying they need to be earsplittingly loud but people pulling out infront of you is not the only time when people need to know your there.
I ran over a frigging full wire hub cap in the road once! On the highway ahead of me was an 80's Caddy with those damn chrome wire hub caps when one popped off rolled across the lane and hit the center divider and bounced right back directly in front of me. I thought I was going to go down but the Busa rolled right over it. Sure it felt like I hit a speed bump at 55mph but went right over with no damage. Glad it wasn't a pebble!
Q3+ owner here. They are cooking hot even on short rides. They get up to temp within a mile or so. And they stay hot for probably 30 minutes or more after a longer ride. They are sick tires. I wouldn't chage them out for anything else.
My favorite tire from back in the day, were Dunlop D364's. Dunlop is poop now, but those tires were awesome, for clearing water, and sticky for the time.
1:15 As a learner rider with 8 hours under my belt I nolonger see my helmet while rideing, just like my nose, if I want to see it I can look at it but when I am doing something else (like rideing) I don't notice it.
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I've witnessed deer stopping in their tracks to figure out where the sound is coming from. So while loud pipes may not save your life with humans, they WILL get an animal's attention from farther away giving you more time to react thus saving your life.
"Doesn't matter how loud your exhaust is" is a fundamentally wrong statement rgd the laws of physics. You can say it matters less, but it definitely is more audible the louder a sound is. Esp if windows are open/old poorly insulated cars. We have all heard straight piped cars from the next street over that makes you look around. If back protectors save you 5% of the time, loud pipes will save you at least 10%. And I definitely would not discourage people from doing anything that could save their lives/limbs even 1% of the time.
You guys should sell more accessories, like bark busters hand guards , handlebar mittens, etc
Myth : You need to start on a sub 650cc motorcycle
Fact : Turbo-Busa is the best beginner bike
FACTS!!! Twin turbo Busa is best beginner bike period!!
fact i live in australia and have been riding at track on rc390 every now and again i think id live on a r1 if i could but i have to stay under 650cc or a ceratain power to wieght
To be real tho 650cc in the Europe is more of a rocket rather than a beginner bike.
I started on a Boeing 737 as my first bike , no regrets best decision I've ever made
best way to die as a beginner: turbo busa
Loud pipes do save live!!. It lets the wife know the husbands is getting home early.
Lololol deeeeemn
Haaaaa! Love it.
That I can definitely attest to , heard the husband pulling into the garage...and out the door I went. Jeans and boots- putting everything else on outside.
Put your pants on, never try to fight naked.
Haha I'm in danger
My girlfriend said that my dog could hear my bike , he'd go wait at the door for a few minutes I got home. I miss that dog , he was awesome.
As my old man told me when I got my first bike, little CBR600 FY with the foxeyes, loved that thing...anyway, he said "there are old riders, there are bold riders, but I don't know many old bold riders" after I smashed myself up on a curb 3 years later I understood him. Got out of hospital, took the insurance money and bought another.
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Facts. Yesterday I was a passenger in a car and didn't know a bike was nearby until it pulled alongside us, but his exhaust was so loud I heard him for at least a half mile of distance between us. He either had straight pipes or no pipes, I'm actually not sure which.
Loud pipes don't save lives, just like high-vis gear doesn't guarantee that you'll be seen and acknowledged. It's just another form of visibility, not a guarantee of safety. But still, if even one person a week hears my bike as I move through their blind spot and it prevents them from trying to change lanes into me, I think it's worth it.
That is true, I just like the rumble of my Softail and I wear silly helmet covers that seems to get attention, probably more so than my pipes, lol
Keep blasting my ears as your silly pipes aren't saving you. Your noise makers are aiming in the entirely wrong direction.
If you want to convince me it's for safety aim your exhaust forward.
@@JohnnyD1993 Unless your motorcycle travels faster than sound, that's a poor argument. You can definitely hear motorcycles with loud pipes coming from behind on the freeway at a "react-able" distance. Then you have in-city riding at slower speeds where it's even more noticeable at greater distances
@@ice5098 exactly! I have stock pipe and a can hear a guy approaching me with straight exhaust. I don't know why they pretend that we live in vacuum. Sound from exhaust goes in all directions
@@ice5098 it's only noticable by the time you make it to my door. Then it's ear piercingly loud. Obnoxious.
My argument stands. If you want to claim it's for safety point your exhaust forward.
If you don't think your exhaust sound is unpleasant go run a jackhammer without ear protection. Extremely similar DB levels and it's painful to run one without ear pro.
On #4 - one of my MSF instructors shared a story about riding through a deer carcass (it was probably a few days old) and coming out fine. The shop didn't like how much cleaning they had to do with his bike, though.
Hope he tipped them well😂
"Screaming Seagull" got a good chuckle.
I popped my first nooner yesterday! Not a baby wheelie, an actual nooner!
good job my fellow squid
👏👏
Proud of you
That’s sick!
@Harold Holt ok
I just passed my msf course today and learned a lot. Can’t wait to get on two wheels myself and enjoy freedom
Ride Safe...
You didn't even get on your bike first? I'm riding before I even have my permit! Lmfao act like a man boy!
Loud pipes absolutely do save lives. Would've walked straight into a bike on a blind corner while crossing the road, but I heard him coming first. He came out on the road exactly where I would have been standing/walking in a car park had I not heard him. I genuinely remember having the thought "op, can hear a bike, should probably just hang back a second see if he's coming first". There has also been multiple instances where I myself have been riding, filtering especially, where the sound of my bike genuinely helps car drivers know that I'm there. I know this from experiencing a 125 that you could barely hear, and having more cars pull out on me than ever, to a 650 with a decent sound to it, and significantly less people pulling out on me, moving over, or realizing that i'm coming up. Driving down residential areas with 10 ton of parked cars either side, I can see people are hearing me, before they're seeing me, and they wait before crossing. They are so important, and they make such a difference. I cannot agree with your statement on that at all.
I can't even begin to count how many times I have seen loud pipes cause dangerous situations on the road. Usually from spooking other riders or cars causing them to swerve without looking at what they swerve into. With cars especially the driver hearse it and swerves away from the largest thing they see visually which is usually another car or truck. Loud pipes saves lives is nothing more than a sales pitch that started in the mid 70's as a way for dealerships to sell aftermarket products on new bikes and get the wife's approval. Better off learning to ride as though you are invisible always giving yourself as many outs as possible rather than relying on other people seeing or hearing you. Electric bikes are an entry different experience because you are able to hear everything going on around you. It is especially a noticeable difference in intersections.
@@MexiKen516 lol If you're that jumpy and unreasonably reactive you shouldn't be driving on the road. Who the hell swerves because of a loud sound? That's absurd. I was not even talking about obnoxiously loud pipes that pop and bang, that you can hear from 10 miles away. Not that I personally have any issue with that at all myself, nor believe they could possibly cause any form of accident through sound alone. I was talking about having a reasonable amount of sound so you can actually be heard.
@@MexiKen516 I'm guessing you're also probably American. I'd love to put you on small narrow UK roads, pedestrians on every corner, pot holes to avoid, cross roads, junctions, and plenty of parked cars down it and just enough room to squeeze a car through and see how you do if you're on a silent bike x'D.
@@PunkdRebel Who the hell is that jumpy? If you ask me, the majority of people who have licenses probably shouldn't be driving. I have personally seen it time and time again over the last 47 years of riding. I have seen track day riders get spooked by loud pipes as they are passed in corners causing them to straight line off the track. Loud pipes save lives is a myth. I'm not opposed to loud pipes, I have tested some pre production pipes and full systems for a few manufacturers that have been obnoxiously loud, but they definitely don't save lives.
@@MexiKen516 since riding like you're invisible and having an out is your end all solution I suppose we shouldn't wear anything reflective, or any gear at all right? No one is dumb enough to assume loud pipes are a 100% solution, but my loud pipes do not prevent me from being alert, wearing reflective gear, and assuming I'm invisible. Sure on the highway cars likely won't hear you coming up, but with slower traffic and more pedestrians you can easily hear loud cars, motorcycles, and even trucks with mud tires coming down the road before you see them.
Could I put mirrors on my helmet, for that 180 degree vision?
Lol
Put on 2 for that 360
Try an internal periscope, cut a channel through your foam and a big hole in the back of the shell 😂
Rear camera on the back of your helmet and a little heads up display!! 🤣🤣🤣
Yes. I've seen some Cyclists do that.
Does it help? No. Not at all. You need da brainz to survive, not even more mirrors
Loud pipes save pedestrian and cyclists lives. Approach a group of cyclists or a busy city plaza on an electric bike and tell me how unaware and spooked everyone acts compared to a loud bike
I know Loud pipes don't really save lives but if you've never heard a bike before seeing it youre deaf
Nah bro, cars with windows closed are pretty quiet. I hear you when you are basically front wheel with my rear wheel.
Extremely annoying Myth - you need electronic aids to be able to ride safely.
Yes i hate electronics but a zx10r is ny dream bike so i gotta deal with it
@@skylinesquid you can turn it all off
in 2021 even AIDS goes digital
I like my 'electronic' aids thank you bery much... ill be over here buzzing with a funny looking grin on my face .... its a ktm 390 on my L's ... ditry bird..
@@jl9161 not a chance
Interesting video!!! You should try to make videos on Investment...
Indeed, Investment won't be such a bad idea,,,I do real estate,stock market ,forest trade and cryptosystem..
stocks are good..
The right chioce of an investment has always been a big problem for me I know picking a wrong investment will leave a big scar in the future
I wanted to trade crypto but got confused by the fluctuation in price
@@morrispeterson9340 That won't bother you if you trade with a professional like Martin S. Schwatz
The loud pipe on my bike saves the lives of wild critters from squirrels and rabbits to deer and birds. I watch them scatter well before I get into range close enough to have an issue with them.. This in turn also may save my life, too.
Yammie yesterday morning I absolutely smoked a raccoon going 60 on a back road and stayed upright. The only thing it hurt was my ego. I cracked some of the lower plastics on my ninja but other than that I’m fine. I stopped to gather myself because I was a bit shook but no leaks, tires had air, and I was on my way
The only time "Tire = faster" is true is when you ride a dualsport and go from a 70/30 offroad tire to something like a 80/20 street tire. My DR picked up about 15kph in top end speed and at least another 60km for range when I switched to essentially a full street tire.
There is always a definitive advantage to use a RR vs a touring tyre on any bike. Especially for the front wheel. Of course, you have to let it heat if you live in a cold country, but I live in Seville. Advantage in curves, as very sticky tyres can even lower your max speed in straight bits precisely due to the fact that it sticks to the road. :-)
I always thought loud pipes were safer because someone would hear you in their Blindspot. I think there’s some validity to that
i think yammy is just still hating on harleys
its safer to just stay out of the blind spot :-) But yes, loud pipes can alert people to your presence long before a wreck situation is happening. It can help, that the people you are driving down the road for the next 10 miles around know you are there instead of just texting the whole 10 miles.
they won't hear anything with modern cars. super good at isolating the cabin from outside noise, especially if they're playing music or something
@@TheJunky228 I don’t know what you’re talking about man. I have a modern car and can still hear horns and loud exhausts from outside.
@@TheJunky228 you are 100 percent wrong. Lmfao so wrong it's laughable.
Most guys ik that lower there psi in the tires is on in the rear and that's so they can hook em better if they're stunting, creates more surface area contact which makes more grip
Crap…I am 56…and just starting to ride
53 years old here and just started to ride. Z400
Don't drink and drive. Enjoy it
Unless youre going mach 1 or faster you will still hear sounds coming towards you..... Its simple physics.
Except that all the sound from your loud pipe is pointed backwards...its simple physics.
He didn't say you won't. Yes you will still hear it, but it will be louder once the object has passed. It's simple physics...
@@runninggag1077 lmfao you don't know how sound travels do you. Here is a simple experiment you can try. Go by a blow horn, since is clear you don't have a bike with loud pipes, and point it away from you. Activate the blow horn. Notice how even though its pointed away from you you can still hear it, and pretty loudly I might add. If you point it toward you it will be even louder but its plenty loud when pointed away from you as well. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
@@jamwheeler He's commented the same type of response a few times. Sadly he's not the only one and it makes me sad that some of those people actually operate a motorcycle but don't know simple physics.
@@runninggag1077 What. So if I shout while you're facing the opposite direction to me, you're suddenly not going to hear any of it? LOL
Regarding ear plugs- you can get custom made ear plugs to fit your ears for about $100. They work great and allowed me to keep riding after ear damage that caused ringing due to the wind noies. Google "custom made earplugs" for a specialist near you.
Loud pipe kinda really saved my life, i hate loud obnoxiously exhaust, but for me there is a sweet spot where pedestrian and alike could here you from a distance and get their attention to be aware that you are coming.
Multiple times i been crossed here in the streets if philippines when i still had my stock exhaust, now that i have a straight exhaust pedestrian and puv vehicles now hear me coming and are aware.
it differs from country to country.
Excellent video again. Best expression of why track tyres are useless on the road I've come across. I've seen some car accidents that are absolutely because of poor tyre choice, one where circuit wet slicks were being used on the road, made worse because they had too many miles on them, and also were expired.
O.K. we need the last word on the 'Loud Pipes" debate and I with my considerable wisdom and experience will provide it.
Yes, I have heard motorcycles in my blind spot due to their load exhaust.
No, we don't have to hear them from two counties over.
Final word, Get a moderately louder exhaust if you feel the need or like the note but please spare the rest of us from the straight pipes or megaphone skull poppers.
Personally, I'll take my stock pipes and the 'risk'.,
better fuel is primarely not for riding faster but for maintaining your enginge and having it live longer
Fueling up with higher octance than what the owener's manual recommends is a waste of money.
Yep if you want to maintain the engine you're better off staying on the oil changes and not leaving stale gas in the carbs if storing for prolonged periods. Unless your bike is super old and not tolerant to ethanol additive.
Highway safer? out west maybe? try riding on the highways in Connecticut and Massachusetts with all the guys in BMW’s Civics, Acuras doing 85+ weaving though spaces I usually don’t dare take my Ninja 1000 through.
i use 99/97 octane fuel. but ive got to say, loud pipes may not save lives. but they definitely make you more known on the road. just like louder horns.
Loud Pipes work very well in parking lots to stop people reversing into me and in pedestrian crosswalks to tell people to hurry the fuck up. (that saves their life)
Also if you believe that one time in history someone has heard a motorcycle before they saw it and looked preventing a potentially fatal accident, then the statement is true. And I’m pretty sure if we’re all honest with ourselves we can think of more than one time loud pipes have alerted you or someone else.
Na I actually typically roll my eyes and turn up my radio. Thinking about it every car I've been in people just turn up their music when they hear a loud engine 🤔.
@@void970t5 boring people
@@blazortheepic0384 soulless people lol
@@void970t5 Well you clearly don’t enjoy engines then.. I absolutely lover hearing loud engines whether they be petrol, diesel, motorbikes literally anything! I turn down my radio when something loud and cool sounding comes by.
New Zealander here.
Dude! You said "Antarctica" properly! Made my day.
I can testify to the pure Michigan pothole thing. 👍
Horrible lol
Yeah your highways suck But Toledo Ohio isn’t any better if not worse some are like 3 feet deep
@@OilfieldTrash419 475, 23 , 94, 96 all horrible smh
@@OilfieldTrash419 wait till you see the UK mate, it's crazy here with the potholes.
Don't tell people they can point their pipes forward, someone's gonna end up doing it and then be confused why their bike backfires under high speeds
Lmao put an aero spike on it to decrease airflow in, add some holes in the back to allow pressure and gas to escape and boom. Your the dumbest person on the road
We really need a dandan × yammie collab vid
Also tell spite he's handsome
They did a meet up and a couple videos here in Tucson back in Feb of 2020.
The low octane fuel in my country is 95. I can choose that or 100
Different grading methods in different countries
what country is that
Every country has their own grading system, so 95 for you is the exact same as 87 for the US
@@murrismiller2312 any country in Europe has the same
@@idkbroski815 95 RON is equivalent to 91 AKI (US "octane")
It is incredible that people say “loud pipes don’t save lives” just because loud pipes don’t ALWAYS save lives.
There is literally never a situation in which your pipes saves your life. Similarly with honking. There is never a situation where honking your horn will save your life. How many emergency vehicles have been behind you in a car and you didn't hear their sirens until they were literally in front of you already? Those are gonna catch driver's attention more than an exhaust because they've been trained to pay attention, vs most car drivers forgetting motorcyclists still drive on public roads.
@@spicytea735 countless times my exhaust being loud asf has saved me like when people are about to pull out on you and you just give it a bit more rpm n they notice you
@@spicytea735 it literally saved me yesterday and 2 weeks ago where the drivers were about to turn into my lane on intersection and stopped suddenly thanks to my exhaust ( it’s not obnoxious but not stock either)
@@josephsarach6872 ive got a ninja 400 with a leo vince gp evo and with the baffles in its just as loud as you need it and its not even that loud, go ahead and get a full system and take the baffels out but dont lie to yourself and other people that it brings attention to you
@@doggosbattlinginmyshedyes9014 Lmao you’re 🤏🏼🧠
came here faster than at my girlfriend's.
Kidding, I'm single. Wouldn't know why.
Loud pipes will make it more likely that someone at 3 or 9 o'clock won't merge into you
higher octane gas allows your bike to advance the ignition timing and gives you more power
I have my loud pipes save me all the time and have for decades! I will pop around a curve and the deer are already running Instead of just standing there in the road!
It's not about age, it's about years ridden... :-)
Expecting Harley bros to understand science was your first mistake.
Anecdotally, loud pipe candace lives, in certain situations. Had a woman in a minivan, using her phone and drinking a pop, start to pull off the ramp, towards me. Throttle crack woke her up, made her drop the phone, and fall 8n behind me.
Generally speaking, bright colored gear works better to keep you safe than removing the baffles ever will.
When I started riding I was told during motorcycle safety course that it is impossible to flip your motorcycle applying the front brake to hard. It was a popular myth.
Not impossible ive seen it happen
I always wear my full gear on even though I don't own a motorcycle.
that's badass
I agreed with you on the tires till you mentioned the Q3. It's actually great in wet, now the Pirelli supercorsa is a different story.
For me the helmet and hearing myth and ear plug one are actually true due to me having conductive hearing loss but for most folks it's complete and utter bs and loud pipes save lives for me because I can here my engine rpm and make shore I'm in the correct gear
SO if loud pipes dont save lives then why in the hell does every car, truck, and motorcycle on the face of the planet have a freaking horn????. oh BTW the Doppler effect only happens when one object travels past a stationary observer.
Plus it adds one more sense alongside sight to help other road users detect you. Like in low visibility conditions.
Ummm, which way is the horn pointed? Which way is the exhaust pointed?
@@runninggag1077 umm how fast does sound travel? Tell a friend to stand 10 feet away from you, face you, and yell. You'll hear it loudly. Now have them face away from you and yell. If you can still hear it, albeit a slight bit quieter, then you've disproven your own argument.
Doppler effect happens when one object is passing another object. The other object does not havento be stationary, there needs to be a speed difference. If you do 30 ad an ambo comes up from behind with 50 and passes you... You will experience dp.
I'd agree loud pipes don't necessarily save lives... but you can absolutely hear them long before they get to you. I can hear bikes before they even turn onto my street. Another hard aspect of proving they do/don't save lives is.. If someone noticed a bike by sound, therefore didn't cut them off and potentially kill them, you would never know about it. The ONLY logical statement you could make on this topic is they can POTENTIALLY save lives (unless you can pull evidence to support one statement or another). Ever notice on drive-by videos showcasing exhaust you can hear the bike before it passes the camera? hm
also I hit a deer, didn't wreck. Myth busted lol
Shhhh keeps your basic experiments and understanding that it is not a black and white debate out of here! How dare you say the inability to reliably document the times loud pipes have saved a life is relevant when at least one person was hit by a car even though they had loud pipes!
@@bleh8310 Sometimes mistakenly think it's pretty obvious lol
Beginner motorcyclist myth: if you steer the handlebar you will go the direction you steer to
Sure will at low speeds lol
@@QuakeGamerROTMG but anything above 12 mph and the motorcycle will go "nah fam"
One statistic missing in why older people get killed. From my experience. Most older people have more free time, to put down more miles. Do not disagree with Yammie. I ride with BACA, us older people can afford to and have the time to go to events every weekend. Some of our younger riders got things like family and work getting in the way. My wife and I think nothing of hopping on our bikes and cruising a few hundred miles on a Tuesday, just because. I am on pace for 20K miles in a year, before retirement maybe 5 or 6 K, with that much commuting to work.
Here's the thing about loud pipes:
1: A loud pipe produces more sound than a quieter pipe. Which travels farther, and with more energy.
2: The frequency of the exhaust noise matter more than the DB. Higher pitched sounds are deflected and absorbed by materials much easier. Anyone with any audio tech knowledge knows that the hardest sound to deaden is low frequency sounds because they pass right through objects.
The fact remains that a High pitch loud pipe will be killed by the cars body before a low pitch loud pipe will. Running a low pitch quieter pipe is actually better than running a high pitch louder pipe simply because of sound absorption.
What you're describing with the Doppler effect is actually a pitch/frequency change. If you throw a baseball out of a car going 20mph, you're adding 20mph to your throw. If you throw sound from an object, your speed increases the compression which then increases the pitch. Higher pitch = more easily absorbed. Then when leaving you're sound is pulled away, making the pitch lower which is easier to hear.
This means that pitch shifting your exhaust down will increase the likelyhood of someone hearing you. Increase the DB level will also increase the likelihood of someone hearing you. Making ANYTHING more agressive increases the likelihood of someone seeing/hearing you. Brighter lights, neon, reflectors and yes, a louder bike.
People have literally been hit by electric vehicles in parking lots because they didn't hear them, or thought they were a bicycle.
Sound plays an import role for drivers, just *not as much as sight*. Which is where this notion of "doesn't matter how loud the pipes are" come from. Because people think drivers are deaf and only use their vision. Which couldn't be farther from the truth. They just use it *more*. For instance, Riding a zero FX with literally no sound vs riding a fat pipe is going to change how people react when you're nearby. It's just a fact that more noise is more noticeable (depending on frequency and blockage to the ears)
I drive a 125cc on highways (it's legal in my country) almost everyday to go to work and I can tell you I had more close calls while riding in the streets. It just takes time to pass trucks is all.
head down arse up :D
fellow 125er
Look, I'm not a proponent of loud pipes. But your argument against "LPSL" isn't made in good faith. "Not going to hear" And "less likely to hear" Is two entirely different things. As someone who's blasting music with my windows up in my car, I can ALWAYS hear a loud motorcycle coming up behind me, despite my music, and my car; being louder.
And it's not just about coming up behind a car in traffic. Hearing a bike coming that you don't see, when turning out of a parking lot, etc. These are all relevant points that you overlook completely.
Do loud pipes save lives? I don't know.
Is someone more likely to be aware of your presence? Yes. And isn't that what you want, when riding a motorcycle? Yes.
And for the record, I think Harleys are fucking garbage.
I said what I said.
People backing out of driveways is a big one.
"Is like trying to grab a watermelon covered in vasoline" oh my lord I nearly wet myself!! 🤣🤣
Coming from a Tasmanian, the fact at the end was a nice surprise.
Top work pappa yam
I’ve been wearing noise-canceling headphones under my helmet for ten years. The only time this hasn’t worked for me (10 years of riding city/country, over 100k miles on two wheels) is when people try to talk to me with my helmet on.
No, I can’t hear you at all. I can hear everything else, though.
That said, I’m kinda going deaf there days (genetic) and I can barely make out what most folks are saying these days with or without a helmet. 😓
Also, being older, I see my peers riding without a helmet (as it’s legal where I just moved to) and I get a lot of amused glances my way for being in full gear.
I like my brain in my head and I’ve been hit by a car once already (which the only part of me injured was the part without proper gear as the old legs have a bit of road-rash).
What kind of headphones? I've been looking for a pair that fit under a helmet with no issues.
@@sipho.tography I’ve got multiple pairs. The Bose do the best for noise cancellation (but were bloody expensive and if your helmet is tight, they’ll ache after about 200 miles or so, but save your sanity), but my go-to is a pair of Plantronics Go 410s (equal parts affordable, durable and with decent sound quality)
@@DrTranofEvil thanks man. I'll have to check em out. In a perfect world I'd get a pair of plugs form fit.
I ride a harley and I absolutely 💯 want a sreaming seagull decal! Like a seagull screaming wearing some aviators, with a red, white, and blue headband
I've gotten a lot more confident when navigating road hazards, but I don't think anything makes me shit my pants faster than road seams.
With regards to track tyres; if you have those on during a Texas summer they will probably be too hot LOL!
Not a fan of loud pipes but it can't possibly do anything other than help signal your approach. What you said about Doppler is often true of quiet pipes because the limited sound output is too high pitched to be prominent from the front with Doppler shift: however loud pipes allow one to hear cylinder beats and usually at a low enough pitch to still be audible even with Doppler. Low pitch sound diffracts more easily and scatters widely and you can witness this by listening to a Harley or a single with a slip-on exhaust: they can easily be heard on approach. As an additional physics lesson, high octane fuel absolutely can boost power because eliminating pre ignition does just that, allowing the piston to compress further before ignition and getting a longer stroke after
I should add that the high octane only works in engines with a compression ratio which is suited to it, but seeing as the difference was noticeable even in an old GM C16SE engine I had in a car I think most recent bikes would benefit.
Nice VN footage bro :D, from VN with love
Stuff on the road....GRASS CLIPPINGS!!!
The no helmet argument....I just can't! Put on your bucket!! For everything! Hockey, football, biking, riding a motorcycle, skateboarding.....there is way too much that can happen way too fast, just put it on!!!!
For 6 and 7. That's why Michelin Road 5s are the go to street tyre. They grip enough to drag knee on trackdays straight from the driveway with barely any warming up needed. And then in the wet they're like you've got gluesticks as tyres
Also... them pebbles ain't no joke and neither are them cross walk paint with the high sheen on them. They get slick if a little wet. I've had the ass end kick out on me when I was making a 90° right turn over a crosswalk.😶
i remember back in the 90's i had road race slicks put on my Yamaha TT 350 dirt bike it was fun :D
Loud pipes is situational. Deers have stopped and not ran across (not all the time), cyclist premptively move back over towards the outer part of the lane (most of the time), pedestrians have waited a few seconds longer (also more often than not) as for people in front of you in a car well shit out of luck for the most part if their other awareness abilities are down regulated.
I'm sorry but I had unbaffled 2.5" straights on a VTX1800 for a few weeks. They were obnoxiously loud. The Harley crowd could not deal with them. I let a friend try it and you could hear this bike easily 1/2 mile away approaching at street speeds and when he drove past on the freeway you could hear it coming a LONG way before it arrived. I understand sound and doppler very well as I was a Sonar Tech in the Navy. Loud is Loud. Loud pipes cannot be ignored. Sound reverberates off of sound walls, bridge abutments, other vehicles, the road ect
I’d just add, do look out for obstacles on the road, even small, just not to be surprised and also for more comfort if you can easily avoid them
Thank you for blessing my ears again
The deer picture was too funny
Thanks for the Revzilla tip, I buy stuff from them all the time now.
Premium fuel won't get you more power on a bike rated for regular fuel. What it CAN do for a bike rated for regular fuel is allow it to use its rated horsepower on those extremely hot days. The ECU can sometimes pull timing, to prevent detonation. Premium fuel can help combat this problem. It might take a couple of tanks of premium for the ECU to adjust itself but it can help. It won't make any extra power but it might be able to maintain it (depending on the bike). For those that already require premium fuel, its already giving you all its got.
For the pipes- if I couldn't hear you over a straight-piped base model Impreza, the guy in the super noise-canceling car won't hear you either, and neither will the guy in a V8 truck with straight pipes. If I can't hear your track-only exhaust until you're within 10' of me, it's not really helping me notice you.
I can't really understand the no helmet idiocy. I mean sure, when I commute between two buildings at my workplace, I often leave the helmet at my office. But there's a literal 20km/h speed limit here, so it's not like anything that bad could happen. I can't ride here faster than bicycle speed. But riding on the streets without a helmet? Whyyyy? Just crossing a highway overpass I hear 2-3 smacks on my helmet every time. That's 2-3 bugs or pebbles that were deflected by the helmet instead of my face. And there we talk about regular riding in the best case scenario (not dropping the bike). A helmet protects you even outside accidents. And you don't really have a chance to survive anything faster than parking lot accident without them. So why on the Earth you wouldn't wear one?
I smoked a full size deer last fall on my f4i and killed the deer but kept the bike up
Suggestion: best motorcycles of the 1970s
🤔🤔🤔 As someone who was riding back then I reckon that would be very interesting seeing how these guys would handle bikes from back then.
@@davegoldspink5354 I’m one of these young guys but I’m a broke college student who can only afford old bikes. As an engineering student I don’t mind a project, learned how these things work on my 1978 XS400 which will probably be going up for sale soon as I’ve got a 1970 XS1 to replace it
@@daylightbigboy I do auto engineering myself and was an apprentice at the end of the 70s early 80s. I loved building cars and bikes outside of work old twins like yours were great projects and easy to work on as well as being fun to ride. I miss old school and having no computers to deal with. As much as I still work on them and understand them there’s nothing like keeping things simply mechanical.
DUDE!!!!!!!! That is a huge freaking 8 point @6:24 I bet he would go well over 300lbs
On the subjects of myth, not all of those tire chunks on the road are from retread tires. New tires do the same thing.
Getting closer to the turbo busa reveal!
The editing and scripting on these vids always make me chuckle
If anyone were to ride on the north western motorway in Auckland New Zealand during afternoon peak times... they would change their mind on highway riding being safer, and stick to the main roads through the suburbs. particularly if they were to ride past the Patiki road onramp, past the Te-Atatu rd over bridge, to the Linciln Rd off ramp. It's scary enough inside a high tensile steel shell!
Loud pipes do save lives. I’ve had deer literally freak out and not jump in my direction.. being along side semis and or other cars, in their blind spots, ETC, ETC.. there are many examples that Yami doesn’t mention… he’s given false information.
Riding on the streets is safer for overall life. Basically, you may get into more accidents in the city, but they generally aren't major. I don't know of any non-serious freeway accidents.
I actually sawed a deer in half on my bike, and the bike stayed uprigt. I felt the impact, but no wobble or anything. Just rode right through it pretty much
Hummmmmm. OK... I was with you till the end. Fuel octane has nothing to do with "Detonation".... it has to do with the speed the fuel burns at. Also, your engine doesn't "Develop more compression".... that is designed into the engine. And, the pre-detonation "Knock" is NEVER from a second spark in the engine. (where would it come from?) it can be cased by a hot spot... but is generally caused by the rapid, or accelerated burn that goes out of control, and completes before TDC from either too much ignition timing, or too high of compression for the fuel. (Think diesel, and auto ignition without a spark). But to your point... YES... it will absolutely cause engine damage if it's out of control. Now on the REALY bad OPPOSITE side of "Knock"... (and to support your thoughts of not going faster) If you have an engine that is designed and tuned for 87... and you put 93 in it to "Go Faster"... the slower burring, high octane fuel will not be done burning when that exhaust stroke hits. SO... you will over hear the piston crowns, and over heat the exhaust valves. That could lead to melted pistons and melted valves. Back in the day... I always laughed at the 2 stroke guys who would melt pistons every few races, burning race fuel. They would blame lack of oil or bad oil... I would tell them every time, they melted the piston crown with the fuel. (Easy to pick out, it would be a total collapse facing the exhaust port) I went as far as to show them that with caster oil... and CAMPPING FUEL, (FYI 65 oct) I could run my WR250 just as hard as on 87. (yes, a re-jet was needed, but smelled great) Anyway... keep up the good work !!
the thing about hitting stuff while riding. hit home.. keep in mind i have a great knowledge of physics and know why motorcycles and even bicycles like to stay upright while moving. however my first time riding my motorcycle i hit a railroad tie my neighbor had jsut sitting in his yard as a marker for where his septic tank was so folks didn't park on top of it.. while i was in the air.. i didn't think about physics just that.. i'm more important than my bike even if it is brand new. so.. i jumped off and watched as my bike landed fine and rolled on as if nothing was amiss let alone me not being on it.. i remember being so angry at my self for not trusting in physics..
'I'm going to disprove myths with science!' *doesn't know the difference between frequency and amplitude*
Have had no issues with Q3 or Q4 on the street. No issues in rain either. Actually pretty impressed with them on the street.
I've had the Q3+ on a Supermotard and a supersport. Plenty of tire for my skill and I can't recall hydroplaning yet.
Very good tire. If you wanna try sumthing else go with bridgestone battlax s22. I like them better then q3 on the street. 2009 r1
Louder than stock pipes do help people not change lanes into you and lets them know there's something in front of them. I'm not saying they need to be earsplittingly loud but people pulling out infront of you is not the only time when people need to know your there.
I ran over a frigging full wire hub cap in the road once! On the highway ahead of me was an 80's Caddy with those damn chrome wire hub caps when one popped off rolled across the lane and hit the center divider and bounced right back directly in front of me. I thought I was going to go down but the Busa rolled right over it. Sure it felt like I hit a speed bump at 55mph but went right over with no damage. Glad it wasn't a pebble!
I hit a log that came off the semi in front of me. It was a hell of a ride but i stayed up.
Watching Yammie Noob makes you smarter. Change my mind.
Thats deff a myth.
Q3+ owner here. They are cooking hot even on short rides. They get up to temp within a mile or so. And they stay hot for probably 30 minutes or more after a longer ride. They are sick tires. I wouldn't chage them out for anything else.
My favorite tire from back in the day, were Dunlop D364's. Dunlop is poop now, but those tires were awesome, for clearing water, and sticky for the time.
Tasmania got a mention! 😁 My home state, and on my bucket list is to ride all around Tassie on my VFR800! 👌🏻
1:15 As a learner rider with 8 hours under my belt I nolonger see my helmet while rideing, just like my nose, if I want to see it I can look at it but when I am doing something else (like rideing) I don't notice it.