My Grandfather fought with the 5th Marines in the Battle of Guadalcanal, he survived six months on Guadalcanal. Coming out with a few mortar fragments in his shoulder and arm. After that, his company was given R&R in Melbourne Australia. After that, he was sent to fight in the Battle of Peleliu. He was badly wounded after only ten minutes after invading the beach.. I remember even 50 years after the war (back then), it still affected him. He would often wake up with a blood curdling scream.
This is very helpful & informative. So sad to see what some of them went through. What's even sadder is that so many were called "cowards", rather than being treated with the compassion they deserved. They were certainly NOT cowards.
My dad told me of a Lebanese friend who lived through the civil war there. While they were talking, the sound of a car backfiring surprised them, and in a flash she was already hiding under the table. She got out embarrassed saying that it sounded like a gunshot.
To have seen and done so much trauma, then your body responding to that trauma. All soldiers need to recognized and honored I am grateful to every person who risk their lives for my freedom, my family, friends and the world. Thank you.
If you are interested in this kind of thing there is a book written by a German WW I soldier. Maybe the best book available on this topic. Title of the English translation is "All quiet on the Western front".
heart goes out to those poor haunted lads. May they rest in peace, those officers, corperals, sergeants and privates, of the royal air, land & sea military.
Thanks for digitizing this and getting it online. Interesting and difficult to see how humans react to adverse situations. This reminds me of the several nervous tics that I have had, all being easily gotten rid of through simple treatment. Not that I'd want to compare with these men's horrific experiences. Found this from an excellent post at Mind Hacks.
There was one soldier that had an eye twitch and facial twitch he received after sticking a bayonet through an enemy soldier face, which I believe was 14 or 16.
Cuz you shouldn't have to do things like that to another human being :/ it's so sad. it's like that act sticks with you, like a bit of their soul done stuck in you like a splinter.
@@apathys_grip no because he killed a man from such close. Shooting from a distance wont cause such problems. Not to forget he wasnt trained his whole life to kill.
Anyone that wants a good taste of what the The First World War was like, read the poem "Dulce et Decorum est" by Wilfred Owen... Mr. Owen was a soldier in the British Army, in a Rifle Brigade that witness first hand the absolute horror of war. He actually wrote this poem in 1917 while in the trenches. Wilfred Owen was killed in action a year later, just one week before the end of the war. His poems were found on him, many riddled with bullet holes and the ones intact were published.
Both my Maternal and Paternal Grandfathers were in WW1, one was picked out of the Mud at YPRES 1917 and eventually arrived at the dock at Netley Hospital, his sniper wound, a dum-dum bullet passed through his chest and took a sizable lump of a fists sized flesh out of the back. He was thought so bad he was took to the mortuary 3 times as they thought he`d not make it. But he did not without losing all his hair to shock. The other was a tunneller and suffered from Neurosis, not surprisingly.
Very interesting to see these attempts at a relaxed method through psychology, to see that these men had people dedicated to trying to genuinely help them as opposed to just physically trying force a result as we often hear about. The psychology works more to the point.
i remember my grandmother telling me my grandfather died of his 'nerves; after the war. I was young when she told me and didnt take it in so much as i often heard people say they had 'bad nerves' so flipantly. As i child i didnt understand it. I thought it was just a figure of speech from grandma. How can you die from your nerves i thought.(i was only about 6) But now i see this and it breaks my heart. I shall not use that term so flipantly again. so terribly sad:(
My uncle fought in WW2.... actually many of my family fought in WW2. One uncle died during the D day invasion. This uncle though committed suicide about 1975 with a rifle. I asked my mom why he did it . She said he had always been " shell shocked" from the war.
I know of someone who was in the Marines during Desert Storm and he has a facial spasm thing going on now... its mild compared to the one in the video. He is actually a police officer where I used to live. I had no idea why he did that but now I am pretty sure its from his time in Desert Storm
Imagine you were a soldier fighting for your country; then imagine making friends with your squad; then imagine witnessing those friends being killed, into pieces by falling bombs. Then and only then you would feel empathy and comprehension for these poor men.
Today the belief is that beyond psychological trauma, that being near so many explosions caused actual brain damage: the shock waves from the blasts (blast injury)
It was exactly that. The nature of WW1 with its infernal bombardments that could last for several days non stop meant that men sometimes got actual nerve and brain damage. As those shells land around your trench your entire body reflexively twitches.
@jaymorpheus11 Yeah,most enlisted were shocked with enough electricity to induce a seizure over and over again until most of the symptoms went away.Then sent back to the front line..they weren't cured but the symptoms were gone temporarily until they had another break down or were killed.
No, PTSD does not need a war, it can be caused by something as simple (and traumatic) as a car accident. What these men are suffering from is so far beyond the PTSD diagnostic criteria that I doubt they ever had a chance of coming back. Most veterans of WW1 suffered PTSD ("got the twitch"), but they were never "this" badly affected. For a psychiatric injury to manifest SEVERE physical symptoms speaks volumes about the extent of the trauma (and longevity).
I wonder if anyone remembers the other Netly hospital behind the original , built by the Yanks I believe, during WW2 for then war Neuroses cases, but used for many years after for casualties from all the other little wars that came along after ww2. I myself got to know the hospital and the fantastic staff for six months or more as they strove to repair my shattered mind. I had come from the blistering heat and alien climes of Aden in to the paradise that was the hospital; took me some time to adjust I can tell you such was the care there. Many memories.
God knows what these men witnessed and how much they needed someone to talk to about their experiences. So many of these men were just boys when they were conscripted. Their ideas of what war was like was shaped by the past, and instead the war they had to fight was a modern one with modern inventions like mines, gas attacks, machine guns, tanks, flame throwers. Who knows what they saw, or who they saw blown to bits
What a relief to recover in Sept, 1918. Just in time for the Fall Offensive. Off you go! The horrible part is that all that work to get Pvt Meek cured, and the logistics meant that he missed the end of the war. He was disembarking in France, promoted to Corporal, and the news came of the end of the war. He had to go back to civilian life.
it actually makes sense on several levels. 1. if vestibular, the motion could bias the system and stop the tremor. 2. gauging the force of the termor could tell them its source. 3. the muscles could be stretched and de-spasmd. Neruologists grab and shake you all which ways actually.
"But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed." Isaiah 53:5!
I used to work on cruise ships and I once had an italian cabin mate whose grandfather was the staff captain of a submarine during ww2. They were sunk by an english vessel and this staff captain was taken pow. My cabin mate told me his grandfather would helplessy shake in fear whenever a fork fell off the table, for the noise was the same of the english ship pinpointing his submarine... :-(
@iammarked I know all i remember from school lessons is that shell shocked soldiers would have uncontrollable shakes and be paranoid about bombs and loud noises. There is obviously so much more to it. Its like the horrors of what they lived through in the trenches snapped and broke their minds and then they lost control of their bodies.
I'm working on a paper related to some cognitive neuroscience stuff and happened to saw these clips on TikTok, so I searched it up... God. Didn't dare to watch the full since it's wee hours & I'm alone in the dark. Can't even imagine how could these poor lads who went through the real hell on earth live their later lives normally, let alone ever get out of the trauma completely... And the mass media ignored all these struggles, buried them like some slightly unpleasant experience. Everybody's talking about PTSD everywhere yet nobody knows what they're actually talking about... I'd say most of the society still knows little about the real sufferings of being deranged, like we didn't even get some proper education on these topics. I have some mentally ill relatives and I know how badly people misunderstand their symptoms; they've known my relatives for decades but still, they're making the most ruthless and mocking comments. And it's already 100 years since the tragedies shown in these documentaries...
Don't ever forget, those men fought for us all, to secure our rights above everything else, it seems some time their efforts were in vain, but who am i to lose hope, when their history is there to show me there is always hope. Let us never forget, what they fought against, and at what costs.
Its like their broken minds are trapped somewhere between living amongst the horrors of the trenches and living back in their normal lives which they could probably never completely go back to, after what they seen.
This was by no means the standard of care they truly needed but it was the first time war neuroses were taken seriously as a form of mental injury and not just cowardice- for which they used to shoot them or lock them up for. It laid the groundwork for an entire new field - psychology of trauma
Go and visit Verdun battlefields and read the infos there or just take a closer look above the lunar-like grounds, we were on a particular battle site there on sunday...the diary reads: "We were enclosed in our trench for two days, the Germans started artillery fire at 10 am and stopped it at 5 pm without a break, the next day the same again" - On said, there were fired around 10.000 grenades in a single hour. And now you´re welcome to compare it with a car accident again.
How these poor soldiers suffered, and some in the most distressing way. With good care & treatment most were made better which is amazing for medical science of its time.
Whats going on in these brains of these guys are some serious flashbacks from bombs they never saw coming. Or continuous bombing to an extreme. Extreme engrams in the head.
Having shell shock in ww1 was looked at as a cowards mental idea Thus one of the ways of rehab was weaving baskets sewing and kniting and then farming ( a women's work ) 1 it was a way for them to relax from war and 2 to get there minds on less stressful work keeping them going
They are actually really similar in terms of brain injury. I had PCS (Shell Shock) for 6 years and although my condition was not nearly as severe as the above cases I experienced similar things to the people above. RavenswoodCT's friend sounds like he had it pretty rough and it is nice to hear that he is motivated about getting better. I would almost say his friend had a worse injury than the people above, as they are mainly psychological.
I want to answer you but I'm not sure myself. I think it could be an advanced form of PTSD? A lot of these men had to suffer through situations that make what modern soldiers go through today sometimes look like a cake walk. It's possible long term exposure to an environment that's causing psychological trauma might have accelerated their condition. I mean, I am only guessing here, lol.
because warfare was a bit different back then. Lots of heavy artillery, bombs, etc. The term shell-shocked was derived from the experience of having 'shells rain down' on you for ages and loud explosions around you. Go through that day in day out for 4 years and you're bound to have psychological damage aside from physical. Our bodies are simply not made to endure this kind of thing.
Most of these soldiers would have been discharged from the military because there neuroses were too sensitive. They most likely would have been given an occupation such as gardening, farming, or some kind of light work in the country to prevent their shell-shock from coming back. Many of these men also had nerve damage that was not necessarily related to emotional trauma, and could easily be treated through physical therapy and medication. That of course doesn't make it less sad.
Trench warfare was the ultimate waste of human life. The first time in history that men were literally slaughtered by modern weapons due to improper military strategy. The British officers were murderous.
@olliephelan Not really the issue (and not the place to discuss it in depth either). Mortars have a baseplate and punch down using the earth to absorb the recoil, while howitzers recoil backwards, against brakes, springs and shock absorbers. Both 'can' be used at high/low angle, maximum range is theoretically at 800mil/45 degrees. Range (per unit of propulsion/charge) decreases the further toward the extremes of the quadrant (0/0 or 1600mil/90 degrees) you travel from there.
Hey, i am suffering PCS for 3 years? In my opinion it definately is a psychosocial condition as symptoms begin by even a slight touch to my head. What have you done to recover? Which therapy? Thanks !
@Bieeanda Question: if he had brain injury, how come he looks recovered at the end of the sequence? Sure, he probably wasnt completely recovered, but he looks a lot better than when he's in the wheel chair? Can a brain injury like that heal by itself over time?
It's amazing that a 15 minute session of hypno therapy can erase the physical manifestations of "Shell Shock". WWI certainly revealed a new level of horrific to soldiers! These guys are literally shaking with fear. I think that's a pretty good argument that such violence, as seen in war, is unnatural for humans! But we are a persistent species...becoming so desensitized that we seek the next level of grotesque.
I don't think they were comparing war to a car accident, obviously their different. War is like a million car accidents happening in one place all day, and you gotta avoid them all to make it home. Its no wonder a good percentage of them end up committing suicide or living with PDS or something even worse.. But it certainly is possible some of the people shown here had brain damage, and were just assumed to be "shell shocked". I just don't see why people still sign up. Play the pipes of peace!
@mattsnow81 theres not really, I was just over there. The Military has gotten alot better at helping soldiers on and off duty. Besides trench warfare is much more horrific then anything either of us can imagine. Let me recommend something to you. All Quiet on the Western Front exemplifies trench warfare very well. Now, imagine living with that for up to 2 years on end with constant artillery fire.
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@olliephelan Yeah, but the things you could reasonably hope to take action to avoid are bombs, aerial, grenades or mortar (the trench mortars used by the Germans were big, slow bombs, that could apparently be seen coming). Shells really don't have that effect, the knowledge that you can avoid them but only if you are switched on 24/7. I would agree that the Wikipedia entry is wrong, the terminology comes from the hollow "shell" casing around the bursting charge, as invented by Col. Shrapnel.
touch sceptical about the word "bombs" part . maybe a mistake by the film makers. soldiers would have called them shells . or maybe the public watching would have understood what a "shell" was .
@bonefetish1 I think it was a mental injury, because he was so afraid and broken of what he lived in the war. Bieeanda its wrong about the brain damage. But brain injurys do heal over time.
@aarontsmall1975 I always wondered why the TRAJECTORY of a MORTAR and an artillery piece is OPPOSITE...MORTAR= low angle for range..HIGH angle = short range Artillery = High angle for range...low angle for short range OPPOSITE. My father was Captain of a heavy mortar company. The only way I can think of it is the FORCE.. best analogy is that a MORTAR is like throwing a rock "UNDERHAND" and artillary is like throwing it OVERHAND. Shortrange a mortar can be seen struggling for altitude.
@olliephelan "bombs" was the term used for hand grenades in the British/Commonwealth Armies, at the latter stage of the war it was the Mills Bomb for instance. Horrid fucking things.
@aarontsmall1975 Interesting . WHAT ABOUT "artillery SHELLS" ? according to wikipedia , the word SHELL comes from "shelling out bombs "(as in giving out bombs or other things ) . It doesnt sound right to me . You never heard the phrase shelling out bullets to the enemy. It surely comes from the new artillery having SHELL cartridges . (shelling rather than mortaring ?). You never hear the phrase " being SHELLED" from the air or planes. You always get shelled by artilliary rather than by air.
I haven't heard of any current war where conventional forces are fighting in this scale that would cause this. Now we deal with the fear of the civilian/guerilla fighter....still bad but atleast the soldier wasn't shelled for 4 days by over 500 arty guns and then has too witness/participate in slaughtering a few hundred enemy's a day on their futile attacks only for yourself see it happen to your own when you counter attack.
Their physical symptoms are somatoform. They are brought on by trauma. One thing that is leery is the claim that they were cured. Sometimes in a day. The only cure I would think of for that was either lobotomy, e c t if either was in place. Or there could be an alternate.....back then there was no ethics the re education would be if you have this illness be prepared to be shot or sent to an asylum for rest of your life. That may explain the change so quickly these men had either e c t , lobotomy or a very scary alternative to the natural reaction to trauma.
@@bmphil3400 I don't think those were developed until the 1930s. I don't know what cured them but I do know that some were simply shell shocked and would do anything to get away from the war. So sad.
i dont think there would be. these men went though years of shelling. watching men get buried alive in trenches, gassed, and die of malnutrition and disease. there will be cases of PTSD from the middle-east, but not as many or as bad. i think the average percent for wars is 10%. 10% is jsut the known cases from 1+2, many unknown cases. but in Vietnam it was about 30% because the troops came back to a hostile populous. this increased the percentage .
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My Grandfather fought with the 5th Marines in the Battle of Guadalcanal, he survived six months on Guadalcanal. Coming out with a few mortar fragments in his shoulder and arm. After that, his company was given R&R in Melbourne Australia. After that, he was sent to fight in the Battle of Peleliu. He was badly wounded after only ten minutes after invading the beach.. I remember even 50 years after the war (back then), it still affected him. He would often wake up with a blood curdling scream.
My grandpa was also at Peleliu. He had a heart attack at age 54.
@@michellelowman5663 , not exactly uncommon at that age by any means.
YOUR GRANDFATHER IS VERY BRAVE I PRAY THAT HE GETS BETTER
"They're interested in what's in our heads, so that next time we'll fight better."
Just lie,... ~Darmody
RIGHT ON.
This is very helpful & informative. So sad to see what some of them went through. What's even sadder is that so many were called "cowards", rather than being treated with the compassion they deserved. They were certainly NOT cowards.
My dad told me of a Lebanese friend who lived through the civil war there. While they were talking, the sound of a car backfiring surprised them, and in a flash she was already hiding under the table. She got out embarrassed saying that it sounded like a gunshot.
I hope she's ok
That's called PTSD.
My God, those poor, poor men.
To have seen and done so much trauma, then your body responding to that trauma. All soldiers need to recognized and honored I am grateful to every person who risk their lives for my freedom, my family, friends and the world. Thank you.
If you are interested in this kind of thing there is a book written by a German WW I soldier. Maybe the best book available on this topic. Title of the English translation is "All quiet on the Western front".
TheSchakalify I've seen that movie it was a very good movie
Thank you. I'll look for it!
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One of the most heartbreaking films I have ever seen, yet my respect for life has increased 10 fold after this. Thankyou.
The colorized version with equally depressing background music is much worse.
heart goes out to those poor haunted lads. May they rest in peace, those officers, corperals, sergeants and privates, of the royal air, land & sea military.
Thanks for digitizing this and getting it online. Interesting and difficult to see how humans react to adverse situations. This reminds me of the several nervous tics that I have had, all being easily gotten rid of through simple treatment. Not that I'd want to compare with these men's horrific experiences.
Found this from an excellent post at Mind Hacks.
There was one soldier that had an eye twitch and facial twitch he received after sticking a bayonet through an enemy soldier face, which I believe was 14 or 16.
Cuz you shouldn't have to do things like that to another human being :/ it's so sad. it's like that act sticks with you, like a bit of their soul done stuck in you like a splinter.
@@apathys_grip no because he killed a man from such close. Shooting from a distance wont cause such problems. Not to forget he wasnt trained his whole life to kill.
Anyone that wants a good taste of what the The First World War was like, read the poem "Dulce et Decorum est" by Wilfred Owen... Mr. Owen was a soldier in the British Army, in a Rifle Brigade that witness first hand the absolute horror of war. He actually wrote this poem in 1917 while in the trenches. Wilfred Owen was killed in action a year later, just one week before the end of the war. His poems were found on him, many riddled with bullet holes and the ones intact were published.
we forget how fragile we are. All of us, even men, break like twigs. Time to respect how delicate we humans are. End wars forever.
The fact that these poor souls recovered, gives an example of human resilience and hope
War change the man. Condemn to those ruler who began the war and sacrificed these man.
Yeah yhey should sacrifice themselves...we never asked for this ...its their greed for money and riches.
Both my Maternal and Paternal Grandfathers were in WW1, one was picked out of the Mud at YPRES 1917 and eventually arrived at the dock at Netley Hospital, his sniper wound, a dum-dum bullet passed through his chest and took a sizable lump of a fists sized flesh out of the back. He was thought so bad he was took to the mortuary 3 times as they thought he`d not make it. But he did not without losing all his hair to shock. The other was a tunneller and suffered from Neurosis, not surprisingly.
Very interesting to see these attempts at a relaxed method through psychology, to see that these men had people dedicated to trying to genuinely help them as opposed to just physically trying force a result as we often hear about. The psychology works more to the point.
i remember my grandmother telling me my grandfather died of his 'nerves; after the war. I was young when she told me and didnt take it in so much as i often heard people say they had 'bad nerves' so flipantly. As i child i didnt understand it. I thought it was just a figure of speech from grandma. How can you die from your nerves i thought.(i was only about 6) But now i see this and it breaks my heart. I shall not use that term so flipantly again. so terribly sad:(
My uncle fought in WW2.... actually many of my family fought in WW2.
One uncle died during the D day invasion.
This uncle though committed suicide about 1975 with a rifle.
I asked my mom why he did it . She said he had always been " shell shocked" from the war.
You try to be "highly motivated" after going through what is basically hell on earth.
I know of someone who was in the Marines during Desert Storm and he has a facial spasm thing going on now... its mild compared to the one in the video. He is actually a police officer where I used to live. I had no idea why he did that but now I am pretty sure its from his time in Desert Storm
Good to see the guy recovered.
Imagine you were a soldier fighting for your country; then imagine making friends with your squad; then imagine witnessing those friends being killed, into pieces by falling bombs. Then and only then you would feel empathy and comprehension for these poor men.
then you're obviously heart broken and traumatized from witnessing this, imagine being shot and killed for 'cowardice' . Killed for having feelings
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this footage is extremely interesting, the hospital where this was shot is about 5 mins drive from me, it's currently an agricultural college!!
Today the belief is that beyond psychological trauma, that being near so many explosions caused actual brain damage: the shock waves from the blasts (blast injury)
might be why the called it shell shock.
It was exactly that. The nature of WW1 with its infernal bombardments that could last for several days non stop meant that men sometimes got actual nerve and brain damage. As those shells land around your trench your entire body reflexively twitches.
@jaymorpheus11 Yeah,most enlisted were shocked with enough electricity to induce a seizure over and over again until most of the symptoms went away.Then sent back to the front line..they weren't cured but the symptoms were gone temporarily until they had another break down or were killed.
No, PTSD does not need a war, it can be caused by something as simple (and traumatic) as a car accident. What these men are suffering from is so far beyond the PTSD diagnostic criteria that I doubt they ever had a chance of coming back. Most veterans of WW1 suffered PTSD ("got the twitch"), but they were never "this" badly affected. For a psychiatric injury to manifest SEVERE physical symptoms speaks volumes about the extent of the trauma (and longevity).
I wonder if anyone remembers the other Netly hospital behind the original , built by the Yanks I believe, during WW2 for then war Neuroses cases, but used for many years after for casualties from all the other little wars that came along after ww2. I myself got to know the hospital and the fantastic staff for six months or more as they strove to repair my shattered mind. I had come from the blistering heat and alien climes of Aden in to the paradise that was the hospital; took me some time to adjust I can tell you such was the care there. Many memories.
God knows what these men witnessed and how much they needed someone to talk to about their experiences. So many of these men were just boys when they were conscripted. Their ideas of what war was like was shaped by the past, and instead the war they had to fight was a modern one with modern inventions like mines, gas attacks, machine guns, tanks, flame throwers. Who knows what they saw, or who they saw blown to bits
What a relief to recover in Sept, 1918. Just in time for the Fall Offensive. Off you go!
The horrible part is that all that work to get Pvt Meek cured, and the logistics meant that he missed the end of the war. He was disembarking in France, promoted to Corporal, and the news came of the end of the war. He had to go back to civilian life.
I love how their train of thought is "his head is tremoring, well let's shake his head like crazy and see if that fixes it".
it actually makes sense on several levels.
1. if vestibular, the motion could bias the system and stop the tremor.
2. gauging the force of the termor could tell them its source.
3. the muscles could be stretched and de-spasmd.
Neruologists grab and shake you all which ways actually.
"But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed." Isaiah 53:5!
I used to work on cruise ships and I once had an italian cabin mate whose grandfather was the staff captain of a submarine during ww2.
They were sunk by an english vessel and this staff captain was taken pow.
My cabin mate told me his grandfather would helplessy shake in fear whenever a fork fell off the table, for the noise was the same of the english ship pinpointing his submarine... :-(
@iammarked I know all i remember from school lessons is that shell shocked soldiers would have uncontrollable shakes and be paranoid about bombs and loud noises. There is obviously so much more to it. Its like the horrors of what they lived through in the trenches snapped and broke their minds and then they lost control of their bodies.
its quite sad that they had to go through this for serving their country.
They most certainly were not serving their country
i love how they would heal patients back then lol...wabble ther head around and stretch ther toes for them..hahaha great doctors
jarno timmermans completely no, but enough to get them to do stuff on their own.
Difficult to watch. The amount of stress and pain these men had been put through for their mind and body to respond to that must have been great.
I'm working on a paper related to some cognitive neuroscience stuff and happened to saw these clips on TikTok, so I searched it up... God. Didn't dare to watch the full since it's wee hours & I'm alone in the dark. Can't even imagine how could these poor lads who went through the real hell on earth live their later lives normally, let alone ever get out of the trauma completely...
And the mass media ignored all these struggles, buried them like some slightly unpleasant experience. Everybody's talking about PTSD everywhere yet nobody knows what they're actually talking about... I'd say most of the society still knows little about the real sufferings of being deranged, like we didn't even get some proper education on these topics. I have some mentally ill relatives and I know how badly people misunderstand their symptoms; they've known my relatives for decades but still, they're making the most ruthless and mocking comments. And it's already 100 years since the tragedies shown in these documentaries...
not an easy watch - but thanks for putting it here
Don't ever forget, those men fought for us all, to secure our rights above everything else, it seems some time their efforts were in vain, but who am i to lose hope, when their history is there to show me there is always hope. Let us never forget, what they fought against, and at what costs.
Hmmm
Its like their broken minds are trapped somewhere between living amongst the horrors of the trenches and living back in their normal lives which they could probably never completely go back to, after what they seen.
Those poor bastards. There was no understanding of PTSD back then, they were just discharged and often branded as cowards when they were anything but.
Poor guys, I feel so bad for them. May God be with them.
Complete recovery? I doubt that
This was by no means the standard of care they truly needed but it was the first time war neuroses were taken seriously as a form of mental injury and not just cowardice- for which they used to shoot them or lock them up for.
It laid the groundwork for an entire new field - psychology of trauma
Go and visit Verdun battlefields and read the infos there or just take a closer look above the lunar-like grounds, we were on a particular battle site there on sunday...the diary reads: "We were enclosed in our trench for two days, the Germans started artillery fire at 10 am and stopped it at 5 pm without a break, the next day the same again" - On said, there were fired around 10.000 grenades in a single hour. And now you´re welcome to compare it with a car accident again.
How these poor soldiers suffered, and some in the most distressing way. With good care & treatment most were made better which is amazing for medical science of its time.
These poor, poor men. Thank God they lived and fought for us.
From a currently serving U.S Marine.
amazing and also very sad! thank you for posting!
This is so sad!
Whats going on in these brains of these guys are some serious flashbacks from bombs they never saw coming. Or continuous bombing to an extreme. Extreme engrams in the head.
Having shell shock in ww1 was looked at as a cowards mental idea Thus one of the ways of rehab was weaving baskets sewing and kniting and then farming ( a women's work ) 1 it was a way for them to relax from war and 2 to get there minds on less stressful work keeping them going
Rest in eternal peace
They are actually really similar in terms of brain injury. I had PCS (Shell Shock) for 6 years and although my condition was not nearly as severe as the above cases I experienced similar things to the people above. RavenswoodCT's friend sounds like he had it pretty rough and it is nice to hear that he is motivated about getting better.
I would almost say his friend had a worse injury than the people above, as they are mainly psychological.
I want to answer you but I'm not sure myself. I think it could be an advanced form of PTSD? A lot of these men had to suffer through situations that make what modern soldiers go through today sometimes look like a cake walk. It's possible long term exposure to an environment that's causing psychological trauma might have accelerated their condition. I mean, I am only guessing here, lol.
because warfare was a bit different back then. Lots of heavy artillery, bombs, etc. The term shell-shocked was derived from the experience of having 'shells rain down' on you for ages and loud explosions around you. Go through that day in day out for 4 years and you're bound to have psychological damage aside from physical. Our bodies are simply not made to endure this kind of thing.
Most of these soldiers would have been discharged from the military because there neuroses were too sensitive. They most likely would have been given an occupation such as gardening, farming, or some kind of light work in the country to prevent their shell-shock from coming back. Many of these men also had nerve damage that was not necessarily related to emotional trauma, and could easily be treated through physical therapy and medication. That of course doesn't make it less sad.
Trench warfare was the ultimate waste of human life. The first time in history that men were literally slaughtered by modern weapons due to improper military strategy. The British officers were murderous.
@olliephelan Not really the issue (and not the place to discuss it in depth either). Mortars have a baseplate and punch down using the earth to absorb the recoil, while howitzers recoil backwards, against brakes, springs and shock absorbers. Both 'can' be used at high/low angle, maximum range is theoretically at 800mil/45 degrees. Range (per unit of propulsion/charge) decreases the further toward the extremes of the quadrant (0/0 or 1600mil/90 degrees) you travel from there.
Word deafness? Is that the old title for selective hearing?
jackiechan4AAR They didn‘t use euphemisms back then but proper language
These were all young men who had probably never seen such horrors as on the battlefield. their brains are as damaged as a shell wound.
Hey, i am suffering PCS for 3 years? In my opinion it definately is a psychosocial condition as symptoms begin by even a slight touch to my head. What have you done to recover? Which therapy? Thanks !
Did massage therapies help or hinder?
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@Bieeanda Question: if he had brain injury, how come he looks recovered at the end of the sequence? Sure, he probably wasnt completely recovered, but he looks a lot better than when he's in the wheel chair? Can a brain injury like that heal by itself over time?
Can't help but wonder what must have been going on in those poor devils' heads.
Wow purity rests in spontaneity
some things men are just not ment to go through and its beyond sad they had to.
Shells exploding nearby does cause brain injury though, he is sorta correct
Just think, Veteran's Administration still fails their troops' mental health to this very day. This is still relevant.
It's amazing that a 15 minute session of hypno therapy can erase the physical manifestations of "Shell Shock". WWI certainly revealed a new level of horrific to soldiers! These guys are literally shaking with fear. I think that's a pretty good argument that such violence, as seen in war, is unnatural for humans! But we are a persistent species...becoming so desensitized that we seek the next level of grotesque.
I don't think they were comparing war to a car accident, obviously their different. War is like a million car accidents happening in one place all day, and you gotta avoid them all to make it home. Its no wonder a good percentage of them end up committing suicide or living with PDS or something even worse.. But it certainly is possible some of the people shown here had brain damage, and were just assumed to be "shell shocked". I just don't see why people still sign up. Play the pipes of peace!
@mattsnow81 theres not really, I was just over there. The Military has gotten alot better at helping soldiers on and off duty. Besides trench warfare is much more horrific then anything either of us can imagine. Let me recommend something to you. All Quiet on the Western Front exemplifies trench warfare very well. Now, imagine living with that for up to 2 years on end with constant artillery fire.
geezus this is some scary stuff. the mind is so fragile, and we know relatively nothing about it compared to other body parts.
Im so shocked right now....
No sound?? Had a moment of hysterical paralysis wondering why my PC was playing up AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for that!!! grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
fantastic, very interesting... thanks man
@zazendo God bless these men...
It's nice to see them get better!
They had no idea of the risks most of then never seen war
We program the humanity out of them, they perform their duties, and then finally they are discharged back into society - will we ever learn?
its not like war gas always existed among humans since before recorded history.
@@jhoughjr1 , it's not like we just learned about psychology yesterday.
Find this very very sad. Britain's heroes. I will never forget them hope you don't too.
@olliephelan Yeah, but the things you could reasonably hope to take action to avoid are bombs, aerial, grenades or mortar (the trench mortars used by the Germans were big, slow bombs, that could apparently be seen coming). Shells really don't have that effect, the knowledge that you can avoid them but only if you are switched on 24/7. I would agree that the Wikipedia entry is wrong, the terminology comes from the hollow "shell" casing around the bursting charge, as invented by Col. Shrapnel.
Something tells me the doctors who treated these men
I think they were also responsible for
touch sceptical about the word "bombs" part . maybe a mistake by the film makers. soldiers would have called them shells . or maybe the public watching would have understood what a "shell" was .
@MrMeineNamen agreed. War is ugly and they only candidate that would get us out of the mess is Ron Paul.
It very difficult for anyone to conqueror the subconsciente. And more when there are psicologic traums.
thank you
@bonefetish1 I think it was a mental injury, because he was so afraid and broken of what he lived in the war. Bieeanda its wrong about the brain damage. But brain injurys do heal over time.
war is hell. i hope i am never going to have to witness one
@aarontsmall1975 I always wondered why the TRAJECTORY of a MORTAR and an artillery piece is OPPOSITE...MORTAR= low angle for range..HIGH angle = short range
Artillery = High angle for range...low angle for short range OPPOSITE. My father was Captain of a heavy mortar company. The only way I can think of it is the FORCE.. best analogy is that a MORTAR is like throwing a rock "UNDERHAND" and artillary is like throwing it OVERHAND. Shortrange a mortar can be seen struggling for altitude.
@olliephelan "bombs" was the term used for hand grenades in the British/Commonwealth Armies, at the latter stage of the war it was the Mills Bomb for instance. Horrid fucking things.
@aarontsmall1975 Interesting . WHAT ABOUT "artillery SHELLS" ?
according to wikipedia , the word SHELL comes from "shelling out bombs "(as in giving out bombs or other things ) . It doesnt sound right to me . You never heard the phrase shelling out bullets to the enemy. It surely comes from the new artillery having SHELL cartridges . (shelling rather than mortaring ?). You never hear the phrase " being SHELLED" from the air or planes. You always get shelled by artilliary rather than by air.
Its hard to break a mans will but to break his mind is as easy as breaking an egg.
I haven't heard of any current war where conventional forces are fighting in this scale that would cause this. Now we deal with the fear of the civilian/guerilla fighter....still bad but atleast the soldier wasn't shelled for 4 days by over 500 arty guns and then has too witness/participate in slaughtering a few hundred enemy's a day on their futile attacks only for yourself see it happen to your own when you counter attack.
Yeah but now they have to deal with snipers 24/7, children carrying bombs or ending on a execution video
Based on my current situation, what these guys experience is paradise...
What is going on?
@@eliezer1060 Everything. You wanna come over sometime?
Their physical symptoms are somatoform. They are brought on by trauma. One thing that is leery is the claim that they were cured. Sometimes in a day. The only cure I would think of for that was either lobotomy, e c t if either was in place. Or there could be an alternate.....back then there was no ethics the re education would be if you have this illness be prepared to be shot or sent to an asylum for rest of your life. That may explain the change so quickly these men had either e c t , lobotomy or a very scary alternative to the natural reaction to trauma.
Would they have done electric shock treatment or insulin shock at that time?
@@bmphil3400 I don't think those were developed until the 1930s. I don't know what cured them but I do know that some were simply shell shocked and would do anything to get away from the war. So sad.
"aged 19"
jesus christ
PTSD!
i dont think there would be. these men went though years of shelling. watching men get buried alive in trenches, gassed, and die of malnutrition and disease. there will be cases of PTSD from the middle-east, but not as many or as bad. i think the average percent for wars is 10%. 10% is jsut the known cases from 1+2, many unknown cases. but in Vietnam it was about 30% because the troops came back to a hostile populous. this increased the percentage .