My dad suffered from PTSD from WWII. I grew up thinking all father's were always angry like him. He remained angry and bitter from sometime after he was drafted in 1942 until his death in 1999. That's a long time to suffer. The only person that seemed to understand and constantly forgive him was my mother. But he eventually left her. Ran away from her and us kids as he did with his first family. No matter how far or how fast he ran, he was never able to escape the demons in his head. "Anyone that doesn't hate war is either crazy or has never been to war." Is something I often heard him say. He was crying for help my whole life and I was too short-sighted to see it. As a baby, I loved my father. As a child, I feared my father. As a young man, I hated him for abandoning us. As an older man, I learned to understand and forgive him. Now, as an old man, I have learned to love him again. Goodbye dad. I hope you've found the peace in death you could not find in life.
Thanks for this witness. Physical Wounded and psychological wounded are the most forgotten of war. The deads can become easly heroes. The wounded are forgotten because it's not confortable for the population to see, day after day the reality of war... (sorry for my bad english)
@@jj-nh8lz same with anything though. most people who raise money for cancer research have either had cancer or have a loved one who had cancer. and even then they're raising money only for the specific cancer that affected them. humans only REALLY care about something if it directly affects them or their loved ones. that's just reality. the individual can't care about everything.
May God forgive us for putting men through horrors that drove them into these shells of their former selves. Just heartbreaking seeing the aftermath. I pray that these men found some solace and peace while they still lived.
We are born to do it, I grew up on eggshells with a PTSD Vietnam vet father who you couldn't clap watching ballgames, slam the fridge door, or surprise going around the house, bathrooms ECT or you would see the killer in him. Then we put ourselves into it the same way, and the perpetual wars of our country puts us in each generation, it's sad but unfortunately the reality of our sadistic world that most will never see because of the many who face the evil with courage and even without courage, as long as you fight for your friends, your country is safe to produce next generation of warriors. It's the way it's been, and the way it always will be as long as there is evil humans
@@thefreedomguyuk All wars and conflicts produce tragic physical, mental, psychological and emotional damage to countless men and women. All deserve to be remembered and honored.
@Careful with that Vax Euegene Everybody is human. The average German soldier and civilians suffered terribly during and after WWI and WWII. In the second world war not every German was a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer. Those decent people deserve peace and happiness like everyone else. All soldiers suffer the horrors of war to some extent.
My Great Uncle Charles must have suffered terribly from his experiences & memories of WW1. He lived with the torment and memories + lack of care/support until 1925 when he walked out into the sea and drowned aged 44. So sad! R.I.P.
Just to add, He walked out into the Irish Sea, near Lytham on a January evening. Just imagine how cold and desperate he must have felt to continue walking out to sea at that time of year? - He was found by the local lifeboat coxswain on the morning of what, 25 years later, would become my birthday. My birth must have stirred some very tragic and unhappy memories for my Grandmother
I get shivers every time the captions say "After Re-education..." I have a photo of my grandad wearing his "Blue Pyjamas" uniform, was sent to a Convalescent Home in Argyll in 1917. Fortunately made a reasonable recovery but was troubled with physical illness all his life due to his service in the Balkans.
I believe re-educate actually meant mental conditioning. Kinda like what mentalists used to do. They do things to get someone to think in a particular way.
Re-education is not a bad thing generally, it has a sinister use when it's used to obfuscate torture and brainwashing, often used as a term for Nazis and communist nations to this day. In this case it is synonymous with rehabilitation, it was just the preferred term at the time. Rehabilitation for the body, re-education for the mind. Seriously, the people working there were helping sons and husband's and fathers, their own countrymen. They weren't torturing them for fun.
My Grandfather had PTSD after being injured a 2nd time in 24hrs While in the Holland WW2 One of his biggest issues was loud sudden noises ( A backfire of a car Or horn etc) And it carried on for 20+ years He had to sleep in another room away from grandmother He was arrested in 1956 After a person was beaten badly for grabbing him And saying BOO! at a lumber yard he worked it. Charges were dropped when it become apparent And he did not remember being scared only that he felt like he was hit over the head with a rock (Never happen) He regained memory of 2 men holding him down Thinking they were helping him Then seen Police instead of an ambulance. He become a farmer afterward And loved to fish
There's 2 sides to every story. Not all chaps displaying symptoms were genuine - the trick was to pick which ones were and which were not. Not an easy thing for a doctor to do. In this film it says that one man copied the odd symptoms of another. I doubt that the copier was genuine. My father was a corporal at one stage in WW2 and participated in the worst fighting against the Japanese. One soldier in his team had hysterical symptoms. My father knocked him flat every time the symptoms came on, as the squawking and carrying on put them at risk of being shot at. After being knocked flat about 5 times his symptoms never returned. Who knows whether the guy was genuine or not, but the "treatment" worked.
@@scallopohare9431 True. I have no way of knowing. And no way of knowing if the cure only lasted as long as my father was around. But my father was of the opinion that the cure was permanent. in the jungles, noise would give patrols from either side away. So if my father was not there to whack the guy, someone else would have to. Quite different to fighting in trenches in Europe.
@@keithammleter3824 Fine, I do understand the need to shut him up. But that is no cure, if he truly had any psychological or neurological damage. He just didn't like getting knocked down. Most folks don't.
My aunt's husband was choir boy when they met,a good gentle man. Then he went to war in Sherman Tanks. When he came home he was a violent,abusive drunk,and would beat her regular. She was told by his family....he died in the war,and this was no longer him. She stayed with him,had 3 kids. He died of cancer in 55. She never remarried,or ever even dated again. War is hell.
So very sad to see these great men suffering from Neuroses. I take my hat off to the people that managed to get them back on track and live a fairly normal life again after the war. May they all Rest In Peace.
The warfare in WWI was unlike any in history. We put millions of men through that grinder. As a kid in the 80s, my granddad's nursing home roommate was a WWI vet, in his 90s. I love history and I always asked him to tell me about those days. The stories were unbelievable. From the introduction of tanks, airplanes, bombs, and gas warfare; the world just had not seen destruction on this mass of a scale. No wonder men were fcked up. Royally.
I have a friend who used to do late night security at Seale hayne. Nothing used to faze this guy. After two weeks he told me their were areas he would not venture into And that he would take up his station on a chair next to the buildings front door, only venturing out to check the grounds.
@@flintsky7706 because of the eerie atmosphere, the sound of footsteps directly up to his desk, doors opening and closing, voices from areas when checked devoid of people, items being moved into the middle of corridors such as chairs, Instant temperature drops Etc etc etc
Living in Australia, we've been involved in every damn-fool war or conflict that the US or Britain has fought in. East Timor, Iraq,and Afghanistan....every bloke I've met who served there came back damaged. Every single one of them. The suicide rate of our returned servicemen and women is frightening. The institution's inability to address this ghastly problem is likewise disturbing.
This isn't PTSD. This is war neuroses / shell shock. They aren't presenting PTSD symptoms. Retrofitting modern diagnosis on old patients doesn't do anyone any favours.
These guys are a result of WW1 trench warfare. In WW2 , there was probably more of this found in Japanese troops than any other due to the prolonged bombing campaigns they endured. I don’t believe the Korean , Vietnam or the Middle east wars produced cases of this severity , certainly not in the numbers WWI did.
@@kitcaless I just finished "Green eggs and ham" and I didn't find anything to differentiate PTSD and she'll shock neuroses. I'm not reading one more cat in the hat until you tell me which book *specifically* to read.
What these men lived through in those trenches we will never know. I'm thankful for the doctors nurses and the organisation's that helped treat what the government and war almost destroyed.
I met a couple of veterans from the Korean conflict in the early 80s. The war experience completely withdrew them from any normal contact with other people. There are no war crimes, war is the crime
I served in RoK, South Korea, in the late 70's. It is a wonderful nation, that would have been obliterated without Americans. Koreans certainly did their part, but they were no match for Chinese backed North. The North is still under a third in a dynadty of absolute tyrants. The South has prospered. That war was no crime, it saved a nation from dictatorship. I would never disrespect those whe were in that war like you do. ( Did you mean to say that in the 80's, you met veterans of the Korean War?).
@@scallopohare9431 precisely. I was a younger person in the 1980s. All national aggression is criminal behavior. This is what I mean about war being a crime
Untreated PTSD is so sad. That nurse was so rough on that first guy and it was cruel to do that to the second. I'm sure these poor men suffered from lack of proper treatment. That head manipulation is just plain abuse.
WWI was the 1st time shell shock was seen. There was limited knowledge and treatment for any mental illness. Shell shock was baffling to the medical profession. Look how many military combatants continue to fall through the cracks with the current forms of PTSD.
@@carisaunders2346 'shell shock' is as old as war itself. granted, WWI (and those that followed) took the horrors to greater heights than previous ones.
@@jr8260 Are shell shock and ptsd interchangeable terms? One can get the latter from a traumatic childhood event etc and not be in the condition of these men.
these heartless governments and military high commands would send people back into that hell, “cmon now lads, buck up! lets get you back to the trenches. we got a bloody war to fight!” Bully! Bully!” those idiots
God Bless these poor poor souls... My dad was in the Philippines with the Navy Sea Bee's and proud of his service.But never got over the horrors he faced....
The millions of people, soldiers like these and civilians, who have suffered and died just because a handful of evil selfish men are fighting over money and power. Practically all of the people who die or suffer unimaginable loss and pain of war do so not even knowing the true reason for it all.
World War 1 in the trenches was the true definition of Hell. Living day to day in a muddy trench which was little more than a sewer, being bombed, shot at, friends being blown to pieces before your eyes, dead bodies rotting in no mans land, I cannot think of a more awful environment, no wonder these poor men became so traumatized
You have to understand that most of the long term damage they suffered wasn’t just the experience leading to ptsd, it’s the experience plus multiple brain injuries happening concurrently. Some people are comparing it to current issues, but they experienced a completely different war with serious artillery, possible chemical agent usage, and the stress we cannot truly comprehend. So just ptsd, no. I think it’s a mix of real tissue dmg/change going on up there.
Sweetheart❤ There exists a film by John Huston on the same subject - rehabilitating young soldiers from the Pacific war by military psychiatrists. The techniques they use and their results are completely extraordinary.
When you do some digging and learn the REAL motivation behind these phony wars, seeing all this suffering by these innocent men becomes even more disturbing and sickening.
what they went through was beyond belief, i suffered PTSD coming off life support with pneumonia, it took me 3 years to get over it, i still suffer with fatigue, no help from my DRS in the UK.
I wonder how soldiers and their families dealt with wars hundreds of years ago, when they were chopping heads, limbs, cutting bellies etc. Were they considered not men enough if they were traumatized?
“Re-education” was a term used a lot in this film. I wonder what those doctors from 1918 did to “re-educate” those poor soldiers who were suffering from severe PTSD in only a few hours. Cold water therapy? Electric shocks?
Re-education for the mind, rehabilitation for the body. Usually therapy and hypnosis. It's surprising how much a calm supportive conversation in a quiet setting can help. It isn't always sinister.
Poor, poor men, I often wonder if the film should be restored and colorised by Peter Jackson's team and dubbed so that we can hear their words and better understand their trauma or if this is sufficient? I would just love to hear their words before and after recovery.
There was no sound, so you can never hear there words. I personally also find colorizing film distasteful. But to hurt a voice actor to act out some theoretical lines seems more demeaning than just acknowledging these individuals.
Be careful with these videos. They are giving an impression of combat being gentler to the minds of servicemen today. That's not the case. There were millions of soldiers fighting WW1, so ten thousands had their minds messed up like this. Today, only a few thousand of our professional servicemen are partaking in any conflict. So the casualties are far, far fewer, and less visible. I've seen coalition guys being catatonic in hospital in the early 90's. War today is as mean as it was 100 years ago. It's sadly equally important too.
Its not as mean by far. Ist world war was very different. I feel if u studied it and compared it to Iraq u would feel the same. You could be virtually deafened by the constant shelling. Maybe Im wrong. Battle of the Somme? Look at the casualties.
So true. Eugene Debs was right that WWI was just a land war for the rich, fought with the youth of each country. They never hesitate to sacrifice other people’s children for their money.
I don't see where you are getting that impression at all. This gives no comparison to any other war or era, and they added nothing to it, since this is a repository of historical footage. I'm not trying to be mean or point fingers, but it seems you might be projecting.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 Hi, no offence taken. I'm responding to an earlier comment about how this 1st WW footage suggests that servicemen have it easier today. They do.
The give-away is in the medical word "neuroses" which has less kind connotations. "Neuro" the prefix, refers to the nervous system. These poor men have undergone the most profound assault on their nervous systems caused by war - any and every war. We just need to look at our animals on Fireworks night to get a tiny glimpse into what it does to any mammalian species. For example, they panic, are fearful and attempt to preserve themselves. Dogs oversalivate and hide, shivering. Their whole being is sound blasted into insensibility. My dearest wish is to put those at the so-called "top of the tree" in society, those who order men into battle, to be in the forefront themselves instead of calmly consigning humans and animals to the brinks of hell.
It's so unbelievable and sad. Trying to be brave for your country, shot if you tried to run away yet somehow governments and politicians make it morally correct
I wonder if the patient with the nose wiping tic was given smelling salts during whatever trauma happened. It looks to me like as he sways he puts his hand to his nose and then sways the opposite direction immediately. Off the wall guess, but just seems possible
We now know a great many of these men likely suffered physical Traumatic Brain Injury from frequent exposure to proximity of high explosive detonation (blast pressure waves) on top of the inhuman and out of world traumatic experience of the meat grinder of WW1. We owe a great debt to these men.
I think George Carlin was right. If we were still calling this condition Shell Shock, like they did in World War 1, instead of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (which seems to squeeze the humanity out of it), modern veterans would be getting more of the help they need. The progression of the term for the exact same mental condition was this -- WWI, Shell Shock. WWII, Battle Fatigue. Korean War, Operational Exhaustion. Viet Nam and beyond, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
While it's a funny jab at political-correctness, it's ultimately not a good argument: PTSD is literally what it is, and the trauma part can happen regardless of "shells" or even wars. And PTSD is not the only neurological condition that can arise from spending extended time in a hellish environment, like WWI trenches, so treating everything as such would be counterproductive.
These pathologies seen in the video have NOTHING to do with PTSD. Educate yourself. PTSD has a bad reputation because its diagnosis is this vague and can be and will be used to cheat in thousands of cases. There are countless cases in the US with PTSD diagnosis that have no trauma at all and no frontline experience at all. Talk with a doctor from the military or other veterans and you will get a lot of stories. It gets them a nice paycheck. There are real PTSD patients but its far less than paid out. Functional Neurological Disorder / shell shocked as seen in the video is a mental but especially physical pathology quantifiable by neurological testing systems including NLG, EMG....etc. These patients have serious symptoms like muscle spasms. spastic movements, destroyed cns.....etc. To even think this is close to PTSD is really offensive to WW1 veterans.
Und die Welt ist schon wieder auf dem besten Weg dahin! Einfach nur Wahnsinn! Ich mache auf jeden Fall nicht mit! Keine ,, Regierung,, bringt mich dazu für deren Heuchelei in irgendeinen Krieg zu ziehen!
Eh, not quite true. Pretty much everybody agreed that trench attrition warfare is hell, so militaries developed new weapons to prevent it from happening. Never underestimate humanity's innovative nature when it comes to creating a new and fresh ways to kill each other.
No study was ever done on the societal implications of trying to reintegrated millions of traumatised men back into society. They just had to ‘get on’ with it.
Living with PTSD from the military, and his is war neuroses, something that few these days would be afflicted by? The effect of WW1 bombardment will never be reproduced again, day after day, sometimes for weeks.
Kids today haven't a clue the level of sacrifice those who came before gave!! Seeing this brought back memories of my uncle after Vietnam... He took his life . Couldn't live with the memories.. an the ghost of himself an his friends
I wonder if the soldiers depicted in here still got married and got children and had a happy life ever since. Any Family Historian able and willing to find out?
I'm sorry but I can't watch it. King And Country? Their lives were ruined and the counry ruined because of this awful event. We have not recovered from it.
Although I get that you are being facetious about a subject that is a very real occurrence on social media, it actually does have a connection to these videos depicting soldiers with PTSD. It should be discussed openly by psychologists who deal with people suffering from PTSD. But nobody is willing to do that except people like me who are conservatives who spend a good chunk of time observing the behavior of people arguing about politics with respect to Donald Trump. The very same tactics used by the government to propagandize the masses into waging war have been used to program people into hating Donald Trump. BUT, on the other side of that issue, you have Donald Trump speaking publically in a manner that is just as preposterous as the public speech of his opponents. His speaking style very much resembles that of Benito Mussolini. My comparison is not meant to suggest that Trump is a fascist. He is very patriotic about our country, it's history, and it's sovereignty. But because of the behavior displayed, and the anti-Trump rhetoric from the opposition, it has created a large group of people who are psychologically triggered by the very mention of his name. It is a form of PTSD. Media has programmed all of us to become angry when we hear the words spoken by either side that we all know we are on. We are divided by PTSD. These tactics were perfected by intelligence agencies. The CIA, CCP, and KGB.
Something that we have to understand is that guys were easily able to fake anything and get away with it due to the primitive technology in terms of psychology and psychiatry back in the early 20th century. The word neurosis was invented back in the late 18th century, while PTSD is more recent and unfortunately WWI ended up being a great learning tool for doctors in both of those fields to understand how the brain works after such a traumatic experience like that.
@@darklordojeda what demeaning rubbish. This type of illness is not happening on a conscious level fool. The retraining was merely targeted at the behaviour association. Their minds were still traumatised after it!
I can't watch the rest of this. It's to much. Those men went through absolute hell and for what?!?! I hear feminist moan and groan but they never mention what men like these went through. It's horrendous and tragic. God Rest Their Souls.
War never changes.... Meanwhile there are still people who foolishly join the army. As long as there are people who are willing to aim a gun at others at the whim of a politician, this kind of tragedies won't end.
the shockwave of explosion shook up the brain and caused brain damage, at first doctors didn't understand why is what, some men's brains could repair itself in due time but others never were the same, its sad to see this
My dad suffered from PTSD from WWII. I grew up thinking all father's were always angry like him. He remained angry and bitter from sometime after he was drafted in 1942 until his death in 1999. That's a long time to suffer.
The only person that seemed to understand and constantly forgive him was my mother.
But he eventually left her. Ran away from her and us kids as he did with his first family. No matter how far or how fast he ran, he was never able to escape the demons in his head.
"Anyone that doesn't hate war is either crazy or has never been to war." Is something I often heard him say. He was crying for help my whole life and I was too short-sighted to see it.
As a baby, I loved my father. As a child, I feared my father. As a young man, I hated him for abandoning us. As an older man, I learned to understand and forgive him. Now, as an old man, I have learned to love him again.
Goodbye dad. I hope you've found the peace in death you could not find in life.
♥️🥲
Thanks for this witness.
Physical Wounded and psychological wounded are the most forgotten of war.
The deads can become easly heroes. The wounded are forgotten because it's not confortable for the population to see, day after day the reality of war...
(sorry for my bad english)
Profoundly stated. The most anti war people I have encountered were those who directly witnessed the horrors.
@@jj-nh8lz same with anything though. most people who raise money for cancer research have either had cancer or have a loved one who had cancer. and even then they're raising money only for the specific cancer that affected them. humans only REALLY care about something if it directly affects them or their loved ones. that's just reality. the individual can't care about everything.
So very sad and heartbreaking 💔😞
May God forgive us for putting men through horrors that drove them into these shells of their former selves. Just heartbreaking seeing the aftermath. I pray that these men found some solace and peace while they still lived.
May I ask if you are praying for the men of Desert Storm, 1991 ?
We are born to do it, I grew up on eggshells with a PTSD Vietnam vet father who you couldn't clap watching ballgames, slam the fridge door, or surprise going around the house, bathrooms ECT or you would see the killer in him. Then we put ourselves into it the same way, and the perpetual wars of our country puts us in each generation, it's sad but unfortunately the reality of our sadistic world that most will never see because of the many who face the evil with courage and even without courage, as long as you fight for your friends, your country is safe to produce next generation of warriors. It's the way it's been, and the way it always will be as long as there is evil humans
Let's think about all Brothers in Arms.
@@thefreedomguyuk All wars and conflicts produce tragic physical, mental, psychological and emotional damage to countless men and women. All deserve to be remembered and honored.
@Careful with that Vax Euegene Everybody is human. The average German soldier and civilians suffered terribly during and after WWI and WWII. In the second world war not every German was a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer. Those decent people deserve peace and happiness like everyone else. All soldiers suffer the horrors of war to some extent.
My Great Uncle Charles must have suffered terribly from his experiences & memories of WW1. He lived with the torment and memories + lack of care/support until 1925 when he walked out into the sea and drowned aged 44. So sad! R.I.P.
I am so sorry. 😢
Just to add, He walked out into the Irish Sea, near Lytham on a January evening. Just imagine how cold and desperate he must have felt to continue walking out to sea at that time of year? - He was found by the local lifeboat coxswain on the morning of what, 25 years later, would become my birthday. My birth must have stirred some very tragic and unhappy memories for my Grandmother
Sad to see these casualties of war, but it is heartening to see them improve. I hope their recoveries helped them enjoy life.
Yes I'm sure they lived happily ever after, having received 1920s treatment for PTSD.
@@SkandiaAUS maybe you could use some treatments.
@@SkandiaAUS perfect. I can't imagine the horror of the "treatment"...
@@SkandiaAUSwhat happened in 1920?
thanks for the upload
That helps me for my project about War Neuroses and consequences
I get shivers every time the captions say "After Re-education..." I have a photo of my grandad wearing his "Blue Pyjamas" uniform, was sent to a Convalescent Home in Argyll in 1917. Fortunately made a reasonable recovery but was troubled with physical illness all his life due to his service in the Balkans.
Would you explain to me what was re-education? Nothing good comes to my mind
@@juanaleon98 I wondered the same. It certainly sends chills through you to hear the term.
I believe re-educate actually meant mental conditioning. Kinda like what mentalists used to do. They do things to get someone to think in a particular way.
It often involved shock treatment and other various "treatments."
Re-education is not a bad thing generally, it has a sinister use when it's used to obfuscate torture and brainwashing, often used as a term for Nazis and communist nations to this day. In this case it is synonymous with rehabilitation, it was just the preferred term at the time. Rehabilitation for the body, re-education for the mind. Seriously, the people working there were helping sons and husband's and fathers, their own countrymen. They weren't torturing them for fun.
My Grandfather had PTSD after being injured a 2nd time in 24hrs While in the Holland WW2 One of his biggest issues was loud sudden noises ( A backfire of a car Or horn etc) And it carried on for 20+ years He had to sleep in another room away from grandmother He was arrested in 1956 After a person was beaten badly for grabbing him And saying BOO! at a lumber yard he worked it. Charges were dropped when it become apparent And he did not remember being scared only that he felt like he was hit over the head with a rock (Never happen) He regained memory of 2 men holding him down Thinking they were helping him Then seen Police instead of an ambulance. He become a farmer afterward And loved to fish
Crazy to think that this condition was brushed off as cowardice or a sign of weakness for most of history
There's 2 sides to every story. Not all chaps displaying symptoms were genuine - the trick was to pick which ones were and which were not. Not an easy thing for a doctor to do. In this film it says that one man copied the odd symptoms of another. I doubt that the copier was genuine.
My father was a corporal at one stage in WW2 and participated in the worst fighting against the Japanese. One soldier in his team had hysterical symptoms. My father knocked him flat every time the symptoms came on, as the squawking and carrying on put them at risk of being shot at. After being knocked flat about 5 times his symptoms never returned. Who knows whether the guy was genuine or not, but the "treatment" worked.
@@keithammleter3824 interesting
@@keithammleter3824That's simply operant conditioning. Other symptoms may have developed later.
@@scallopohare9431 True. I have no way of knowing. And no way of knowing if the cure only lasted as long as my father was around. But my father was of the opinion that the cure was permanent. in the jungles, noise would give patrols from either side away. So if my father was not there to whack the guy, someone else would have to. Quite different to fighting in trenches in Europe.
@@keithammleter3824 Fine, I do understand the need to shut him up. But that is no cure, if he truly had any psychological or neurological damage. He just didn't like getting knocked down. Most folks don't.
It hurts to see other people suffer...
Lol except for women who abort babies by the millions every year
My aunt's husband was choir boy when they met,a good gentle man. Then he went to war in Sherman Tanks. When he came home he was a violent,abusive drunk,and would beat her regular. She was told by his family....he died in the war,and this was no longer him. She stayed with him,had 3 kids. He died of cancer in 55. She never remarried,or ever even dated again. War is hell.
So very sad to see these great men suffering from Neuroses. I take my hat off to the people that managed to get them back on track and live a fairly normal life again after the war. May they all Rest In Peace.
The warfare in WWI was unlike any in history. We put millions of men through that grinder. As a kid in the 80s, my granddad's nursing home roommate was a WWI vet, in his 90s. I love history and I always asked him to tell me about those days. The stories were unbelievable. From the introduction of tanks, airplanes, bombs, and gas warfare; the world just had not seen destruction on this mass of a scale. No wonder men were fcked up. Royally.
Who knew the war was so bad to the point you get brain damage. *"Mutism."*
I have a friend who used to do late night security at Seale hayne.
Nothing used to faze this guy.
After two weeks he told me their were areas he would not venture into
And that he would take up his station on a chair next to the buildings front door, only venturing out to check the grounds.
Why
@@flintsky7706 because of the eerie atmosphere, the sound of footsteps directly up to his desk, doors opening and closing, voices from areas when checked devoid of people, items being moved into the middle of corridors such as chairs,
Instant temperature drops
Etc etc etc
Living in Australia, we've been involved in every damn-fool war or conflict that the US or Britain has fought in. East Timor, Iraq,and Afghanistan....every bloke I've met who served there came back damaged. Every single one of them. The suicide rate of our returned servicemen and women is frightening. The institution's inability to address this ghastly problem is likewise disturbing.
There are some pretty severe cases of PTSD here. Very sad, and they make me wonder what happens with severe cases today.
Today, severe cases are treated with SSRI's. And they are often ending their own lives.
This isn't PTSD. This is war neuroses / shell shock. They aren't presenting PTSD symptoms. Retrofitting modern diagnosis on old patients doesn't do anyone any favours.
@@geosradiomusicalstuff3124 No, it really isn't. Read some books.
These guys are a result of WW1 trench warfare.
In WW2 , there was probably more of this found in Japanese troops than any other due to the prolonged bombing campaigns they endured.
I don’t believe the Korean , Vietnam or the Middle east wars produced cases of this severity , certainly not in the numbers WWI did.
@@kitcaless I just finished "Green eggs and ham" and I didn't find anything to differentiate PTSD and she'll shock neuroses. I'm not reading one more cat in the hat until you tell me which book *specifically* to read.
Heartbreaking
What these men lived through in those trenches we will never know. I'm thankful for the doctors nurses and the organisation's that helped treat what the government and war almost destroyed.
I met a couple of veterans from the Korean conflict in the early 80s. The war experience completely withdrew them from any normal contact with other people. There are no war crimes, war is the crime
I served in RoK, South Korea, in the late 70's. It is a wonderful nation, that would have been obliterated without Americans. Koreans certainly did their part, but they were no match for Chinese backed North. The North is still under a third in a dynadty of absolute tyrants. The South has prospered. That war was no crime, it saved a nation from dictatorship. I would never disrespect those whe were in that war like you do.
( Did you mean to say that in the 80's, you met veterans of the Korean War?).
@@scallopohare9431 precisely. I was a younger person in the 1980s. All national aggression is criminal behavior. This is what I mean about war being a crime
We’ve known about PTSD for over 100 years and still people wanna call it a myth
Although it's great to see the recovery of the soldiers, it doesn't explain "treatment" they received
Or how they were “re-educated”
electricity was used, but so were: hypnosis, massage, rest and dietary treatments
I think time was the healer.
Snuff and brandy.
May all these men rest in peace
Untreated PTSD is so sad. That nurse was so rough on that first guy and it was cruel to do that to the second. I'm sure these poor men suffered from lack of proper treatment. That head manipulation is just plain abuse.
WWI was the 1st time shell shock was seen. There was limited knowledge and treatment for any mental illness. Shell shock was baffling to the medical profession. Look how many military combatants continue to fall through the cracks with the current forms of PTSD.
@@carisaunders2346 we have sources documenting ptsd that go back to the classical period i believe
@@carisaunders2346 'shell shock' is as old as war itself. granted, WWI (and those that followed) took the horrors to greater heights than previous ones.
@@jr8260 Are shell shock and ptsd interchangeable terms? One can get the latter from a traumatic childhood event etc and not be in the condition of these men.
@@jr8260 you are right. I guess I just wasn't thinking any further back than WWI. Thanks
these heartless governments and military high commands would send people back into that hell, “cmon now lads, buck up! lets get you back to the trenches. we got a bloody war to fight!” Bully! Bully!” those idiots
I shudder to think the horrific "treatments" they suffered like electro shock therapy
God Bless these poor poor souls...
My dad was in the Philippines with the Navy Sea Bee's and proud of his service.But never got over the horrors he faced....
This is what happens when you send people to war who have had no concept of war. The mind just can't handle it. WW1-2 were absolutely brutal
Imagino oque esses homens passaram na vida...triste época de guerras
The millions of people, soldiers like these and civilians, who have suffered and died just because a handful of evil selfish men are fighting over money and power. Practically all of the people who die or suffer unimaginable loss and pain of war do so not even knowing the true reason for it all.
This is so distressing... to think most of these men went off to find adventure... 💔
Now I know where Monty python got the “ministry of silly walks”!
And still war is a business that makes billions for a few...never ends ...
And still to this day, mankind learned nothing from the past of self distruction
World War 1 in the trenches was the true definition of Hell. Living day to day in a muddy trench which was little more than a sewer, being bombed, shot at, friends being blown to pieces before your eyes, dead bodies rotting in no mans land, I cannot think of a more awful environment, no wonder these poor men became so traumatized
Humanity still makes the same mistakes. Time passes but wars are always the way humans think about. Every generation has its war.
You have to understand that most of the long term damage they suffered wasn’t just the experience leading to ptsd, it’s the experience plus multiple brain injuries happening concurrently. Some people are comparing it to current issues, but they experienced a completely different war with serious artillery, possible chemical agent usage, and the stress we cannot truly comprehend. So just ptsd, no. I think it’s a mix of real tissue dmg/change going on up there.
Im not going to say your incorrect but your also not correct either
The body keeps the score.
My therapist told me to read that book!
Sweetheart❤
There exists a film by John Huston on the same subject - rehabilitating young soldiers from the Pacific war by military psychiatrists. The techniques they use and their results are completely extraordinary.
The facial spasm guy always gets me. Also, those “passive movements” on the next guy do not look pleasant.
Nice to know someone worked with them and cared for them instead of just turning them on to the streets as is the case today...
We sent the best to be slaughtered in unimaginable horror. We have never recovered and never will.
Cheapest way to get rid off unemployed and low people
When you do some digging and learn the REAL motivation behind these phony wars, seeing all this suffering by these innocent men becomes even more disturbing and sickening.
@@jussikankinen9409 Also, they don't send the dumbest and weakest. They send the smartest and the strongest.
I feel bad for Meek, 23 years old. Shell shocked at such a young age.
what they went through was beyond belief, i suffered PTSD coming off life support with pneumonia, it took me 3 years to get over it, i still suffer with fatigue, no help from my DRS in the UK.
These guys where in a war, not in a hospital bed with pneumonia.
I wonder how soldiers and their families dealt with wars hundreds of years ago, when they were chopping heads, limbs, cutting bellies etc. Were they considered not men enough if they were traumatized?
“Re-education” was a term used a lot in this film. I wonder what those doctors from 1918 did to “re-educate” those poor soldiers who were suffering from severe PTSD in only a few hours. Cold water therapy? Electric shocks?
Re-education for the mind, rehabilitation for the body. Usually therapy and hypnosis. It's surprising how much a calm supportive conversation in a quiet setting can help. It isn't always sinister.
They didn't have PTSD. The modern name for many of these symptoms is FND and they still use re-education methods for this condition now.
War is the lowest mankind sinks.
Poor, poor men, I often wonder if the film should be restored and colorised by Peter Jackson's team and dubbed so that we can hear their words and better understand their trauma or if this is sufficient? I would just love to hear their words before and after recovery.
There was no sound, so you can never hear there words. I personally also find colorizing film distasteful. But to hurt a voice actor to act out some theoretical lines seems more demeaning than just acknowledging these individuals.
Be careful with these videos. They are giving an impression of combat being gentler to the minds of servicemen today. That's not the case. There were millions of soldiers fighting WW1, so ten thousands had their minds messed up like this. Today, only a few thousand of our professional servicemen are partaking in any conflict. So the casualties are far, far fewer, and less visible. I've seen coalition guys being catatonic in hospital in the early 90's.
War today is as mean as it was 100 years ago. It's sadly equally important too.
Its not as mean by far. Ist world war was very different. I feel if u studied it and compared it to Iraq u would feel the same. You could be virtually deafened by the constant shelling. Maybe Im wrong. Battle of the Somme? Look at the casualties.
That said, the Iraq war had a huge effect due to 'chemical sensitivity'.
So true. Eugene Debs was right that WWI was just a land war for the rich, fought with the youth of each country. They never hesitate to sacrifice other people’s children for their money.
I don't see where you are getting that impression at all. This gives no comparison to any other war or era, and they added nothing to it, since this is a repository of historical footage. I'm not trying to be mean or point fingers, but it seems you might be projecting.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 Hi, no offence taken. I'm responding to an earlier comment about how this 1st WW footage suggests that servicemen have it easier today. They do.
The give-away is in the medical word "neuroses" which has less kind connotations. "Neuro" the prefix, refers to the nervous system. These poor men have undergone the most profound assault on their nervous systems caused by war - any and every war. We just need to look at our animals on Fireworks night to get a tiny glimpse into what it does to any mammalian species. For example, they panic, are fearful and attempt to preserve themselves. Dogs oversalivate and hide, shivering. Their whole being is sound blasted into insensibility. My dearest wish is to put those at the so-called "top of the tree" in society, those who order men into battle, to be in the forefront themselves instead of calmly consigning humans and animals to the brinks of hell.
It's so unbelievable and sad. Trying to be brave for your country, shot if you tried to run away yet somehow governments and politicians make it morally correct
I wonder if the ones who went back to the country and worked on farms doing crafts out in the trees did better than ones who worked in big cities.
A fair chance.
Lest we forget !
2022, most have forgotten.
I wonder if the patient with the nose wiping tic was given smelling salts during whatever trauma happened. It looks to me like as he sways he puts his hand to his nose and then sways the opposite direction immediately.
Off the wall guess, but just seems possible
Never forget
I have noticed that those that have experienced war don’t like to talk about it.
Because its retraumatising
Outtamind outta sight is more like it..✌️
2023 here we go again
We now know a great many of these men likely suffered physical Traumatic Brain Injury from frequent exposure to proximity of high explosive detonation (blast pressure waves) on top of the inhuman and out of world traumatic experience of the meat grinder of WW1.
We owe a great debt to these men.
I would have liked to see what the treatments were to fix these issues. Also curious as to what they were saying.
How much of their improvement is from therapy, compared to just having been removed from battle?
There won't be any improvement in being removed from a theatre. Therapy is urgently needed to call the patient out from their catatonic state.
Such young men.
I think George Carlin was right. If we were still calling this condition Shell Shock, like they did in World War 1, instead of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (which seems to squeeze the humanity out of it), modern veterans would be getting more of the help they need. The progression of the term for the exact same mental condition was this -- WWI, Shell Shock. WWII, Battle Fatigue. Korean War, Operational Exhaustion. Viet Nam and beyond, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
I agree..Name it for what it really is..
@@windwhipped5 PTSD is quite literal, and can be developed from more than just shelling, and shock is a temporary state.
I disagree whole-heartedly. Shell shock is actually inaccurate and also limited in its scope.
While it's a funny jab at political-correctness, it's ultimately not a good argument: PTSD is literally what it is, and the trauma part can happen regardless of "shells" or even wars. And PTSD is not the only neurological condition that can arise from spending extended time in a hellish environment, like WWI trenches, so treating everything as such would be counterproductive.
These pathologies seen in the video have NOTHING to do with PTSD. Educate yourself. PTSD has a bad reputation because its diagnosis is this vague and can be and will be used to cheat in thousands of cases. There are countless cases in the US with PTSD diagnosis that have no trauma at all and no frontline experience at all. Talk with a doctor from the military or other veterans and you will get a lot of stories. It gets them a nice paycheck. There are real PTSD patients but its far less than paid out. Functional Neurological Disorder / shell shocked as seen in the video is a mental but especially physical pathology quantifiable by neurological testing systems including NLG, EMG....etc. These patients have serious symptoms like muscle spasms. spastic movements, destroyed cns.....etc. To even think this is close to PTSD is really offensive to WW1 veterans.
Nothing good comes from fighting Banker Wars...except...for the Banker.
Und die Welt ist schon wieder auf dem besten Weg dahin! Einfach nur Wahnsinn! Ich mache auf jeden Fall nicht mit! Keine ,, Regierung,, bringt mich dazu für deren Heuchelei in irgendeinen Krieg zu ziehen!
Respect to these heroes who go through hell for a degenerated generation.
Amen, Brother or Sister !!
The consequences of PTSD for victims and their relatives is still taboo. The human race can be crazy.
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Now this would be called Post Traumatic Stress....
War is Hell
There are several back, from recent postings, with PTSD that the MOD is staying silent on. 🤔
What?
1:26 Literally weaving baskets. Where "basket case" comes from.
The best part is that Humanity learned absolutely nothing from this.
Eh, not quite true. Pretty much everybody agreed that trench attrition warfare is hell, so militaries developed new weapons to prevent it from happening. Never underestimate humanity's innovative nature when it comes to creating a new and fresh ways to kill each other.
Wonder if some of these were unconscious bids to avoid getting forced to go into the hell of war ever again.
That was me after my divorce.
What did the treatments consist of?
Everything. Therapy, electric shock therapy, rest, diet changes, medication, they tried everything they could.
No study was ever done on the societal implications of trying to reintegrated millions of traumatised men back into society. They just had to ‘get on’ with it.
Our world is fast dragging people back into this kind of misery, no war needed, just modern government and media.
Living with PTSD from the military, and his is war neuroses, something that few these days would be afflicted by? The effect of WW1 bombardment will never be reproduced again, day after day, sometimes for weeks.
Quand ont pense que certains aspirent à ce qu'il y ai une guerre , no coment
War is hell.
Kids today haven't a clue the level of sacrifice those who came before gave!! Seeing this brought back memories of my uncle after Vietnam... He took his life . Couldn't live with the memories.. an the ghost of himself an his friends
what exactly was "re-education" ?
Rehabilitation based on behavior. Rehabilitation is physical, Re-education was for the mind, seemingly.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 not so. The re-education was for the nervous system and the methods are still used today on conversion disorders and FND.
I want to comment but I can’t find the words.
You just did.
Hollywood war movies never show this aspect of war
4:03 how is that helpful?
It seemed to help.
I wonder if the soldiers depicted in here still got married and got children and had a happy life ever since. Any Family Historian able and willing to find out?
it's real. fear. fear of death is natural but it becomes fear of life. disasterous.
They may as well have died on the battlefield. They had no life to speak off after surviving that hell.
I'm sorry but I can't watch it. King And Country? Their lives were ruined and the counry ruined because of this awful event. We have not recovered from it.
War is evil. Caused by men’s greed. These poor victims of a few in powerful positions.
So nobody is going to talk about how he was pulling that animal by a nose ring? Jesus christ
If this is how damaged the troops were from WW1, god help the poor bastards on BOTH sides after this insane war of Putin's ends.
This is nothing compared to the mean words some have experienced on Twitter…..
Although I get that you are being facetious about a subject that is a very real occurrence on social media, it actually does have a connection to these videos depicting soldiers with PTSD.
It should be discussed openly by psychologists who deal with people suffering from PTSD.
But nobody is willing to do that except people like me who are conservatives who spend a good chunk of time observing the behavior of people arguing about politics with respect to Donald Trump.
The very same tactics used by the government to propagandize the masses into waging war have been used to program people into hating Donald Trump.
BUT, on the other side of that issue, you have Donald Trump speaking publically in a manner that is just as preposterous as the public speech of his opponents.
His speaking style very much resembles that of Benito Mussolini.
My comparison is not meant to suggest that Trump is a fascist.
He is very patriotic about our country, it's history, and it's sovereignty.
But because of the behavior displayed, and the anti-Trump rhetoric from the opposition, it has created a large group of people who are psychologically triggered by the very mention of his name.
It is a form of PTSD.
Media has programmed all of us to become angry when we hear the words spoken by either side that we all know we are on.
We are divided by PTSD.
These tactics were perfected by intelligence agencies.
The CIA, CCP, and KGB.
Twitter in 1917-1918 ?
Perhaps you like to experience both and share your experiences ?
stay off twitter.
@@welvanons they are making fun of those on social media who actually state that there self-righteous arguments are equivalent to warfare.
they did this for us and we could never repay them.
How did they cure and treat the guy in two hours?
Some of these guys could have been faking it to avoid going back to the front and I certainly would not blame them.
Something that we have to understand is that guys were easily able to fake anything and get away with it due to the primitive technology in terms of psychology and psychiatry back in the early 20th century. The word neurosis was invented back in the late 18th century, while PTSD is more recent and unfortunately WWI ended up being a great learning tool for doctors in both of those fields to understand how the brain works after such a traumatic experience like that.
Gave him a big tablespoon of concrete
A supportive con ersation in a calm setting g goes a long way. They weren't "cured", but they may have relaxed somewhat.
@@darklordojeda what demeaning rubbish. This type of illness is not happening on a conscious level fool. The retraining was merely targeted at the behaviour association. Their minds were still traumatised after it!
I can't watch the rest of this. It's to much. Those men went through absolute hell and for what?!?! I hear feminist moan and groan but they never mention what men like these went through. It's horrendous and tragic. God Rest Their Souls.
So many Mortar shells falling from the sky, ......
War never changes....
Meanwhile there are still people who foolishly join the army. As long as there are people who are willing to aim a gun at others at the whim of a politician, this kind of tragedies won't end.
People still stupidly brag about the sufferings of their fellow men and women who had nothing to dispute that would often take form of a gruesome war.
War, what is it good for ? To kill steal & destroy. Those poor Hero’s !!!
God forgives the innocent. Xx
He also forgives those who are not innocent at all but later repent.
@@wheelchairgeek . Many say this, but thine heart is known by the father. I wish you well.
No one wins a war
the shockwave of explosion shook up the brain and caused brain damage, at first doctors didn't understand why is what, some men's brains could repair itself in due time but others never were the same, its sad to see this
This is mostly PTSD and ASD, not so much brain trauma.
@@sinisterthoughts2896 actually this is mostly FND and conversion disorders. These symptoms don't fit into the PTSD criteria.