My granddad was affected by his experiences in WW1, he never talked about them but his future attitude affected his family greatly. I can only imagine the awful stuff he went through.
@@chloekit4861 well... his picture may be a hint to where he is from. And it most likely effected the family as they had to deal with his trauma and help and care for him. Now I could be wrong, but hope this helps!
Shell shock was not just a psychologically effect but a physical effect. A shell impact could actually vaporize internal organs without damage the surface of the skin due to shock waves and pressure waves at close range. So some of these men suffered internal nerve damage and concussions. Some never recovered and spend the last in their days in special homes. May they RIP.
equarg I would assume the physical effect indeed was the sole reason the term caught on. As any physical effects would be universally excepted among troops and higher ranks. Objectively coining the term through the trenches as shells would “shock” (kill, maim, deafen, blind).
Its a multi-term, it means several things, there is the physical effect of being very close to explosions, the shock wave can indeed be so violent that causes damage to the nervous system, i think initially it just meant that, being physically shocked from a shell over and over again, mind you: these shelling's could go on for days firing thousands and thousands of shells. And then there is the psychological effect, what we now call ptsd.
The wind was not just an "Old Soldiers belief" It was real. There was an actual concussion of shifting air pressure strong enough to make the men lose consciousness, sometimes even to kill them. It was not just fear, calling it fear alone is also too simplistic.
Grant Churchill not exactly, shell shock is not mental like PTSD, its physical from explosions and gunshots whizzing by causing the airflow in ones head to be different
There is so much to shell shock, and it's so fascinating yet deeply disturbing. I mean think about it, at it's peak during WW1 they sent soldiers into the fray multiple times a day. Some of these soldiers would see people blown to bits regularly. It's not like today's war where you run a mission, head back to camp, and receive a psycho evaluation. It was go into the trenches, watch people explode and die multiple times a day, come back, sleep in mud, than do the same thing the next day. The destruction it could have on one's psyche is unimaginable. You were forced to repress these traumas, it was like PTSD on steroids. Luckily Myers methods were adopted and evolved, but it's still crazy seeing the videos of the effects it had. Mindblowing.
Debs husband says my Dad was a WW 2 veteran and we had a man in our home town who behaved strangely. He didn't bother anyone but you could tell something wasn't right. As a boy I asked my Dad about him and my Dad said the man was shell shocked from his experiences in the war. My Dad said the man was totally different before the war. So sad.
That could have been PTSD. Combat stress. He probably knew his behaviour was different but became isolated because nobody understood his experiences. There cases where soldiers who survived 3 and a half years of captivity by the Japanese had a whole raft of PTSD symptoms due the barbaric treatment handed out to them by their captors. Anyone facing these types of experiences is probably going to face problems reintegrating back into 'normal society '
Anytime I see footage of the affected soldiers, I think of their families seeing them upon their return. They sent a fully-functioning young man off to war, and the man that came back was not there anymore. If you haven't seen any of the videos, apparently there was some successful therapy available for them. I don't know how widespread it was, it is hard to know just how successful it was, sometimes you do get the feeling you're only watching the incredibly successful cases, but it is amazing to see.
I've read reports, witness accounts, facts and figures dozens of times, but never in a million years will I ever understand how such a war could ever happen in any group of humans with the audacity to call themselves civilized.
Unfortunately, you'd be surprised what we, as humans, are capable of! What I won't understand is how - after we saw what WW1 did - we were very capable of going for part 2.
@@MrDujmanu Post WW1 was basically the one of the main triggers for WW2 seeing as how Hitler wanted to restore Germany back to power since the country became poor and weak after WW1.
Well from the World War 2 book “ With The Old Breed” by Eugene Sledge. He talked about every time a artillery barrage would occur his whole body would tense up like a fist. He said after each barrage ended he was mentally and physically exhausted.
exactly dont listen to the soldiers who lived through it but a bunch of desk morons who didnt want the term used, the way the soldeirs did as it scared volunteers off. Lets see them sit in a trench for 36 hrs while 1500 mortars rain down within 500m
BrickBoy117 There is a chance that he might have faked it. He looked scared and propably didn't want to go out. It also didn't look as if he got shot...
In my eyes, each and every person who fought in the war were so brave. War and death are not supposed to happen. Show some consideration for all those men...luckily nowadays men aren't made to go to war...not to mention the extremely brave young boys. Going to fight for the right thing without knowing what were to happen. I always have and always will remember them >3
Thinking about shell shocked soldiers fills me with a sort of slow rage. Imagine how bad it had to be to make strong young guys have seizures and breakdowns. They were used as cannon fodder, those lads, a whole generation of them. And it didn't have to happen. Not WWI. It could have been avoided. That's what is really sickening.
How aweful for those young men. To go, from a life of Peace and relative calm. To a Living Hell on Earth! I am Not surprised they suffered from Shell-Shock!
@@valerieloney5565 Yes, but not just the ear. Actually the brain tissue itself. Leading to many additional problems. But good of you to point out, that certain damage in the ears can also cause weird symptoms. I once had an ear infection, that made me dizzy a whole lot. I literally walked with a bucket, for I could puke from nausea at any moment. I didn't hear about these shell shocked people being nauseated yet, but I'm pretty sure there must have been enough of them.
I enjoyed this, but I think it left some important things out, especially the relationship between Shell shock and PTSD and comparing symptoms with pre and post WW2 combatants
One my old teachers who was in ww2 and didn’t retire being a teacher till he was 80 told us his experiences saying he remembers hearing the whistling sounds coming down then boom
One cause of shell shock can be traumatic brain injury. TBI is caused when a soldier's brain is slapped hard inside the shell as a result of the blast wave of a shell or grenade nearby. Body armor with helmets can protect the body from metal shrapnel to a good degree. However, a damaged brain from a roadside bomb blast, landmine, boobytrap or shell/rocket burst can't be prevented so easily. TBI has lifelong impacts because a serious brain injury will impact the ability of a man to do sequential tasks in a workplace. The man might appear relatively normal at first meeting but is unable to perform basic tasks such as arithmetic or sequential task with computer instructions or other detailed paperwork with sequential steps to be filled out varying with circumstances. So TBI is a real problem because the extent of the injuries to a man's brain won't often be known for years afterwards. TBI is a physical injury of the brain but PTSD today is more a mental anxiety from exposure to repeated trauma. American military doctors and psychiatrists concerned with the mental health of veterans have noticed that after three tours of combat duty where violent events happened in the veteran's unit, most men and nowadays women too, start having serious issues with PTSD. TBI and PTSD often impact each other with one condition making the other one worse or they can act alone. So I am a combat veteran and career soldier myself but I have done a fair amount of reading. Many American veterans with TBI and PTSD are strong candidates for marital problems resulting in divorce, workplace issues, emotional problems, nightmares and many become addicted to drugs or alcohol and some commit suicide. The worst cases are murder suicides of whole families in the United States. My wife and I say under such conditions after three combat tours the war comes home to the soldier's family and the wife and kids are casualties of war. Now, many veterans have issues with dealing with combat after coming home and discharge into civilian life again. But only a certain number ever commit suicide or murder their families in murder suicides. Many veterans learn to deal with TBI and PTSD issues if given proper mental health counseling, prescription drugs and other therapies from a professional mental health counselor. So it isn't all bleak or sad for all military families or veterans families but more a mixture of good and bad things together.
My grandfather enlisted underage at age 16 in World War I and fought in World War II. He loved war and was distraught when World War II ended. My uncle has all his bravery medals. Shell shock is just a symptom of cowardice.
My grandfather had some shell shock from ww2. Not like these poor boys but he in actuality had some ptsd that made him irritable. Although you'd never know it being around him he seemed cool as a cucumber just a no nonsense individual that grew up in the holler in ky. He said they was so poor they didn't even know there was a depression cause life didn't change. He quit school in 3rd grade to help tend to the farm. His mom was a full Cherokee that died during childbirth.He lived a hard life that made him tough as nails.
When I was little I was looking at world war and when Soldiers shoot I can’t see the bullet but u saw ppl die and I thought smoke could kill someone so I was scared of smoke for a week
The reason the Army leadership attempted to downplay shell shock is because treating shell shock properly cost a lot of money. Men have to be sent to hospitals usually for long periods of time, see specialist doctor and receive a lot of specialist treatment. All that costs a lot of taxpayer money...the government does not want to pay for expensive specialist treatment for TBI, "shell shock" and mild concussions from too close shell explosions and the extreme barometric pressure changes a close shell explosion causes.
It seems obvious to me that the old films of shell shock look completely unrelated to modern PTSD. Those men look like they have physical nerve damage, while modern PTSD is more of a psychological condition. Modern PTSD also doesn't exhibit any of the old physical symptoms like loss of muscle control and unusual gait. I'm sorry, but just seeing the videos it's clearly not the same disease. I sometimes wonder, is there a nerve agent used in those days that we're not aware of? Sure, psychological trauma has always been around, but the old physical nerve damage is not the same thing.
Helmet design changed radically after WWI. They learned a valuable lesson - and I'm puzzled why this basic fact that was repeated all throughout the 80's and 90's documentaries seems to be forgotten. Once helmets were improved - the shell-shock injuries largely disappeared. The Axis had it bad; with many German soldiers wearing the spike cap that was usually just hardened leather. The allies' helmet was a metal death trap that was worse. The rim acted like a sail to catch shockwaves from above - slamming the helmet onto the crown of head. Side blasts weren't any better - modern helmets have smooth sides that absorb impact and spread it out equally...The rim of the "Doughboy" helmet was like a giant iron ring that slammed into the temples - screwing up the nerves for the jaw and eyes. Impacts from the rear made the rim slam into the brain stem or rear of the cranium. Blindness wasn't "hysterical" - that's where the optic nerve goes. Vision is processed in the back of the brain. Docs just didn't know that then and said "it's all in your head." YEAH! Those helmets were "brain rattlers." Designed to protect from shrapnel, not a blast. WWI was when they first understood the brain shaking in the skull was a critical injury, not just a headache. They fixed it right away via trial and error. But it wasn't until the 60's with tests on monkeys that they could confirm and really understand that the brain bouncing inside the skull was a critical injury. (See the horrible rhesus macaque videos where a monkey is strapped into a helmet - which moves and shakes his head violently.) A teacher pointed out the Nine Inch Nails video for _Closer_ features that actual footage. We owe a lot to these unfortunate monkeys. We see a lot of traumatic brain injuries in soldiers again in whenever helmets are manufactured defectively - like in Gulf War II. (Thanks Rumsfield...) Good helmets really matter. That war was how the world found out its the most important part of a soldier's gear.
@Jane Jan, "Modern PTSD also doesn't exhibit any of the old physical symptoms......" Wanna bet? I am a military veteran with 32 years of service with 7 combat tours. The Navy forced me to retire, medically, shortly after my last tour in Afghanistan. One of my issues was severe PTSD that causes me to have hand tremors, arms jerking making me drop things, loss of control of one or both of my legs while walking. It is so severe, (and progressing), that the V.A. assisted in getting me a large breed service just walk and issued a forearm crutch to balance my other side. Please don't make claims about an injury/illness unless you have experienced it firsthand.
@@jonnwray960 That sounds horrible, I hope you're ok. They're telling you it's psychological though? It sounds neurological to me, like, that sounds like something with the physical nervous system, rather than it being 'in your mind'. My ex had a PTSD diagnosis, and it was all psychological symptoms. I've never met someone who had the modern 'psychological' diagnosis with the old physical symptoms. It doesn't make any sense to me that these two totally different sets of symptoms get diagnosed the same. Like, there's a difference between stuff that gets on your nerves, and stuff that physically damages your nervous system, but they act like it's the same thing, and that's what I find confusing. Hope you're doing ok now, none the less, and thanks for your service. It takes a brave man to go out there
@@janejan9728 Thanks Jane, your kind words are appreciated. Like anything else in life, you adjust, adapt, overcome. The V.A. has taken pretty good care of me, but there is only so much they can do. Research is continuing, but research into PTSD, shell shock, battle fatigue, etc was very limited until Desert Storm in 1990. I have a wonderful service dog that the V.A. helped me obtain. She's a big Great Dane, (our vet says she is a "European Dane"), 170 lbs, smart as a whip, loves when I put her harness on and tell her "time to work". When not working, she is typical Dane, a big love bug, big baby that thinks she is a lap dog. She loves to run, trips over her own feet, can be a serious couch potato. But, she is a huge he.p to me day and night.
God bless these men, as a volunteer in Syria, I was in Aleppo when Chlorine gas chemical attacks happened. I remain hyper sensitive to chlorine, I go in vomit, rapid eye movement because I see and hear the screaming women and children running. Financed by France, America and Israel, allowing terrorists not Assad having such vile technology. I often wish I had an earlier envolvement and died with my comrades and brothers in arms. Shell Shock, PTSD are serious anxiety based disorders of the traumatic brain injury and it's coping mechanism, but it is not mental illness. Seeing men return addicted to legal or illegal drugs, to destitution and homelessness and with nerves shattered is why I still oppose women being infantry front line soldiers as canon fodder. Stuff equality when it denies the enate manly idea for all the ages, we stand willing to die for women, children and animals.
I feel like another cause may be just seeing things like a man so horrifically injured like seing somebody lose a leg or something of the sort could be recalled in the memory and cause somebody to “do the shell shock stare” my uncle saw a buddy lose his leg in Iraq and sometimes he just stares in horror because the gruesome sight is recalled in his memory
It’s not just a memory you’re whole consciousness is re experiencing it each time you have a flash back to the point you think you’re still there. Sometimes other senses are affected while you’re having a flash back like you smell, taste or hear like you’re back there too.
My grandfather had shrapnel in his legs from aged 16 until he died in his 80s. He did not suffer from 'shell shock' as such, but he never spoke about WW1, even when asked. His brother had shell shock and left home, never to be seen again
Shell shock War neurosis Combat fatigue PTSD All are the same. There are different symptoms, ranges and triggers but they all are rooted on one thing. It was seeing and hearing things that no human should ever hear, feel or see.
They are definitely NOT all the same. Shell shock was a term used for all. It could be severe PTSD in a certain amount of cases. But when you look at the videos, the majority shows clear signs of actual physical brain damage. Which is not rooted in the emotions, but in the organ the brain being actually damaged.
Thanks for that. Too many people dismiss shell shock as PTSD. Now, PTSD is horrid and of course there is some overlap. But when I watch videos about shell shocked men, the majority of them show clear signs of actual physical brain damage. So, I was pretty mad at this dumb woman in the video, spreading nonsense she learned, about things she does not understand.
And as such a literal insult to injury. For although some cases are obviously a severe case of PTSD, which is horrid enough!, there are much more cases, in which the men show actual signs of physical brain damage. To ignore that and call that hysterical is a big injustice. Doctors didn't know much back then. And many doctors don't know much right now still. But there is knowledge enough about how being close to explosions can damage the organ inside of the skull, named the brain. Actual brain damage.
Quiet interesting to look back at the psychological effect of war to every man who joined the battle. I was brought here thanks to fiction books based on real events like this
Yes. But please keep in mind, that shell shock and PTSD do only overlap, but are not the same thing! The woman in this video does not understand well enough what she teaches. When you look at videos of men with shell shock, the majority clearly show signs of actual physical brain damage. It wasn't understood back then, but ought to be now! Doctors have always called things psychological or 'hysterical', which they didn't understand. Label them and done. Literally adding insult to injury.
Yes and many are not aware that the British executed over 600 of their own people for not wanting to fight and not just not wanting to fight but various other reasons that were to them totally inexcusable. Young boys, not even men young young boys without a proper trial, the British did a great great injustice and disservice to their fellows. Do some research on it and have a look what I'm talking about and you will be absolutely appalled.
Shell Shock....Combat Fatigue....Operational Exhaustion...Post Tramatic Stress Disorder....all the same thing, caused by the hell of combat, the curse of war. May the all find peace.
It’s clearly more than PTSD. I am a trauma therapist for veterans. Mostly combat veterans. I have never seen anything like this in person… ever. Makes me wonder more about toxins and heavy metals. This is exactly what that looks like in animals. (Used to do wildlife rescue as well). Of course my thoughts are coming from anecdotal experiences. Make me wonder .
They tried to outlaw the term because people who didn't have it could understand just how intense it was by that term. Now we get PTSD. PTSD is the exact same thing without people realizing how intense the disorder is.
@@Crabcrabcrabcrab7214 yep and lots of other reasons we can't even fathom. But the real or perceived threat of death was there on a daily occurrence. Doesn't have to be your own death to affect you the same way
Sorry, but PTSD is horrid, but NOT the same thing as what is shown here as shell shock in many cases. Some cases are clearly severe PTSD. But other cases shows clear signs of physical brain damage, which is not part of PTSD.
physically shell shock looks like a person is in survival mode I think it is completely physiological and the biggest sign or symptom that war is wrong. too say someone is extremely fearful and hiding under a bed because of fluid change in their ears is a stretch I think. these men were reduced to primal instincts and I think some never get out of it.
😶 exactly. this isn't ptsd. these poor souls were subjected to such extreme, relentless levels of terror, their minds have literally cracked. fear that reduced them to their most primal instincts. like a trapped animal. i find it disrespectful how everybody's kinda trying to equate our mild, common, daily stress to something as unimaginable as this. how dare they.
There actually was a specific physical head trauma called shell shock too. There's a reason they switched helmet designs. The allied helmet with the "rim" around the sides was a deathtrap. They thought it would help protect their head from things falling on them from above like in siege warfare where men climbed ladders up a city wall... They didn't realize that stuff falling on them wasn't the big killer - but the shockwave of explosions. Some of the largest artillery guns and shells ever made by man made craters hundreds of meters wide. That's rarely seen in today's wars. In modern helmets, there's nothing for the wave to "catch" as it breaks over the helmet. But the rim caught the blast like a sail - and slammed it onto the crown of the head. That's a rare kind of injury on the battlefield, and helmet design changes make it extremely rare today. When hit from a side-blast it was no better - instead of the blast hitting a smooth side and distributing the impact, the rim focused it around the head in a circle. It smashed the nerves at the temple and cheek area, resulting in the facial ticks and wide-eyed staring, and motor function (walking) problems from general concussion, particularly worse when getting hit in the back of the head by the brain stem. A lot of the blindness wasn't hysterical - the back of the head is where the optic nerve goes. It just took time to recover. So, shell-shock was real. And it was specific. It was just that nobody knew traumatic brain injuries were so bad for a person, because in previous times, grievously-injured soldiers didn't much survive. The study of it began at this time because of this war.
Its a shame that these people are brainwashed to go to war as pawns for the rulers of countries who have not an ounce of care for them or their families who then have to care for these wounded individual's afterwards.
1:30 fifth guy from the right peeks back and drops to the ground. Was this for the camera? Did he really even get shot? Did people just act this way to get out of war? 1:34
Tavistock institute founded in 1921 researched the effects of shell shock. With this data available they turned to an idea and developed this idea that has it's history in shell shock. As the necessary technology was available they applied shell shock via airplanes, meaning bombers. The target was the German civilian population. Mr. Kurt Lewin (nose man) developed the idea of aerial bombing. After ww2 the organization that was in charge to study the aerial bombardment, transformed itself into an Air Force organization. On March/01/1946, Army Air Force Contract No. MX-791 was signed, creating the RAND Corporation as an official think tank, defining Project RAND "a continuing program of scientific study and research on the broad subject of air warfare with the object of recommending to the Air Force preferred methods of techniques and instrumentalities for this purpose." On May/14/1948, Rand Corporation funding was taken over by H. Rowan Gaither, head of the Ford Foundation. This was done because the Air Force had sole control of the Atomic Bomb program for the Cold War with the Strategic Air Command, the missile program, and many other elements of the "terror strategy". It became a billion dollar game for the scientists, with John von Neumann (nose man), their leading scientist, becoming world famous as the inventor of "game theory", in which the U.S.A. and the Soviet Union engaged in a worldwide "game" (war game) to see which would be the first to attack the other with nuclear missiles. In America, the schools held daily bomb drills, with children hiding under their desks, meanwhile those scientist were smiling to what length they could manipulate society. This new organized tool with the name RAND Corporation set now out to plan new bombing campaigns based on the available data they already accumulated through ww2. The Korean war ended with farmers on both sides having been extensive targeted and weren't able to produce thereof enough food anymore. The U.S. bombing campaign having had the logistics (roads) wiped out for distribution of the food, had the farmer not anymore capable to produce enough food, thus wide spread starvation was experienced by Koreans. After the Korean War more Koreans died due to food shortages than due to the actually combat actions on both sides (inclusive the heavy massacres on Korean civilians). The planning of the Vietnam bombing campaigns according to Daniel Ellsberg (a nose man, he stole the Pentagon Papers that consisted of information concerning the Vietnam War. This information was withheld from the American public) pointing this out in his book "Secrets", published in 1971, had been delegated to General McNamara and his assistant John McNaughton. Both of these individuals of course are chosenites. In this bombing campaign the U.S. Bomber Command dropped nearly half of the tonnage of bombs dropped on Europe and Soviet Russia during ww2. The result also here was like in the Korean war, a shortage of food. In addition to the aerial bombing of farms (Farm Land) the chemical warfare agents - Agent Orange and Agent Purple were released on the fertile farm land to destroy the soil of the farmers. The extensive Search & Destroy operation of the U.S. Army And Marines paralyzed the villagers. The communist Guerilla fighters called Vietcong killed mercyless the South Vietnamese farmers as they became targets of both, American Soldiers and VC (Vietcong). As starvation occurred in South Vietnam by having reduced the food production of the South Vietnamese farmers through sheer terror bombing and raids from the Vietcong and U.S. Army and Marines and the agent orange/purple chemical warfare agents, the food processors of America were ordered by the U.S. government to ship white rice by the tons to Vietnam to guarantee a continuation of the planned war. After the war more Vietnamese died through starvation related infections than through the search & destroy and bombing campaigns together. The weed killer agent orange and agent purple made Vietnamese and American soldiers sick. It destroyed animals, birds and the fish in the Rivers and ponds as the soil got contaminated, the ground water was poisoned, too. The RAND Corporation was never indicted. The only difference by principle to the terror bombing of Germany in ww2 and that of Korea and Vietnam was, that the Germans defended their cities by having an air defence. Korea and Vietnam had no air defence. Book references: The World Conquerors by Louise Marshalko.///The Octopus by Elizabeth Dilling.///The Red Network by Elizabeth Dilling.///Murder By Injection by Eustace Mullins.///The Beasts Of The Apocalypse by Olivia O'Grady.///
Watch 1:28 --1:34. There is a soldier who waits for most of the men to get over the hump of dirt, and then "tries" to get over the small dirt pile. Instead, when his fellow soldiers make it over and run , he acts like hes trying to get up. Instead he slips down and just lats against the hill of dirt. He was afraid to die.
This helped me realise how much humanity is lost by design in war I seriously never knew she’ll shocked people were protected by their peers but it makes sense When looking at a. War and seeing everything as an asset, effectiveness is the priority. Just like all our movies, be the most effective Rambo and you’re doing great But an army isn’t made up of rambos as much as everyone in there might aspire to be Do you really want it, or were you shown what to want?
Interracial Suspect Terrorism is nothing compared to other things. All they do is spread fear and then it dies out for a while... WW2 was much more horrible.
First of all.. If you actually pay attention to the video you can see that there are actually 2 men who "got shot". You obviously see that it's scripted. I mean, first i was 99% sure, now I'm 100% sure.
Yes! You’re guitar right… shell shock should be called,…”exploding shell shock.” Rather than, Seashells by the seashore and fishing in the gently lapping waves on a sunny day shock.
Masculinity has nothing to do with emotion. Saying so, is the only way an emotional person can understand drive, by using their own methods of understanding the world around them. Masculinity, is defined by a single characteristic.. of work. To be more precise the act of provision. Fruition. It's a little easier to understand in context of _competition for resource_ . We are social creatures, and in a social construct there is.. cooperation for provision.. there is no benefit for whats seen as an unreliable person. For a woman who has difficulty understanding male provision, you can quite easily understand it by using the female drive to protect her offspring. There is no emotion involved.. its a deliberate, concise, undiplomatic, immediate instinct. It just is.. theres no hubris behind that drive. There are no.. secondary motives. A woman doesnt have to think about protecting her offspring.. and there are no limits or compromise.. until the job is secured. This is the same for male provision. In regard to this current trend of entitlement. We have a come to accept an odd mixture of gender blurring and gender shaming in the same context. Next time you hear the term Toxic Masculinity, perhaps think about the humility or audacity of challenging a womans method of child rearing as a comparator. I feel it pertinent to note, sexual drive in primates and the chemical basis of neurology, the mechanism of evolution, and the age and variety in phylogeny.
Bartacomus Kidd so you’re saying a woman isn’t naturally competitive in the work place and men aren’t naturally protective of their children as a reflex? lmao stfu really, also has nothing to do with Shell shock at all, didn’t you hear it’s about the brain? If woman would’ve fought in that war they would’ve essentially gotten the same exact syndrome.
@@laurajimenez7878 No, i didnt say that at all. Or even allude to it. Comparing Gender Equality to Masculinity is probably a topic you are interested in, or its close to your heart. Masculinity is the drive for provision. To provide. You are using Masculinity as a _comparator._ A set of _values,_ to measure X against. Freud called this Penis Envy. (which has nothing to do with having a penis). And you are right, women subjected to this specific torture would most likely have the same physical and mental conditions. So, you _ALSO_ see that this womans attempt to tie Masculinity to Shellshock is incorrect. She herself.. is seeing masculinity as some social 'metric' and value-set, using her own ideology of Value and Emotion. I thought it quite interesting she said *_MEN_*_ started using the term 'shellshock'.._ not man, not we, "men" with an E. Thats quite a distinction.. in regard to a what considered a medical condition. on a side note (which i dont care to be subjective.. but..) i thought her grimace. that looong blink and stammer when she started on masculinity were quite an indicator.
@@Indiegirl007 I'm open to critique. If you see some holes, you have the burden of proof. Sing out. Or if you just don't like my answer, try to give a reason. It's the only way we learn.
@@bartacomuskidd775 I'm tempted to add that there's perhaps three classes of Masculinity overlapping here - and I suspect this is causing some confusion. a) There's the Masculinity metric amongst the soldiers as your peer group. This is the element she's referring to when referring to the group and being attentive to the wellbeing of the soldier as part of the fighting unit - both for his own sake; for the sake of being a good comrade and also being watchful of the ability of the fighting unit to carry out combat action. All these elements are essential in maintaining fighting power, camaraderie and morale. b) There's the external and harder to define external social perception of 'masculinity' in which men of fighting age are challenged to be in uniform and in the 'game' so to speak. If you're not fighting; you're not a Man. It was this perception of playing your role as a Man in society which the propaganda and recruitment leveraged and exerted a direct influence from and against. As the saying goes, 'a man thinks meanly of himself for not having being a solider.' Such is perhaps the legacy of the Athenian notion of democratic soldiery - spread through the common European readings of Greek at school and transmitted through public and informal education systems. If shell-shock destabilised your fighting capacity, then you were reduced in 'status'. A physical injury is easier to explain and is more readily comprehended by an observer. Anyone with a mental illness will tell you that this 'invisible' dimension distorts the perception of wellness and how you, as the patient, are expected to perform and conduct yourself in society. No one, the message goes, likes a shirker - or malingerer. Such was the social backlash against injured soldiers (without obvious wounds - especially as, contrary to popular media expectations, amputations were suffered in roughly only about 10% of combat casualties in the British Army from 1914-18) or soldiers on R&R in civvy clothes that special badges were eventually issued in the UK to those ill, or otherwise excused from combat roles. This is essential in maintaining fighting morale at home and abroad. Especially when just over 50% of casualties from the Front in infantry and artillery units were from non-visible rheumatic, pneumatic and arthritic conditions! c) Tied to these is the internalised socialised measure of how the individual assayed themselves against the wider agreed perceptions of how being a Man was defined by your near and far social group. Social definitions of Manhood are wide and diverse - what is considered 'manly' in one society is not universal across all. Thus, we can see how a solider stricken with disruptive shell-shock might view his own condition as acute - simply from assessing himself against the first two categories of Masculinity identified above - all of which very likely exerted such an influence upon him becoming a solider in the first place.
I trained at fort Irwin California to use explosives to detonate anti tank mines We. were hundreds of yards away when we detonated them and the concussion still hurt when the it hit you a couple of seconds after you saw the blast. The mighty mighty bosstones sang a song, i think it was" knock on wood". We owe the men who endured for freedom a lot of respect ans the kneeling sports celebrities scorn.
Back then if shell shock happened to a front line soldier it was not recognized as anything but cowardly acting and even though they were in extreme mental trouble they would send them right back to the line or they were in severe trouble.
...because soldiers in WW2 weren't exposed to such prolonged bombardment as in WW1, and armies (especially western allies) had learned some lessons from WW1 and rotated their troops out of combat more frequently, hence soldiers had shorter periods at the front. They also responded to, and treated early symptoms much more swiftly.
WW2 was a war of mobility. Where both wars were years long.. WW1 the "line" was in the same place.. and the men there were subject to bombardment constantly, where men under seige or artillery in WW2 were exposed to short intense bursts of it
OH MY GOD BOYZ, WE HAVE AN SJW HERE! IM WITH U SISTER! WHY ARE MEDICS BEING RACIST TOWARDS WW2 SOLDIERS??? THOSE DAMN PRIVILEGED NAZIS! ugh (they are probably white too 🤮) WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE!?! I MEAN LIKE... YOU KNOW... MY GRANDFATHER FOUGHT IN THE SECOND WW... AND MY DAD IN THE FIRST!!! ... I have friends with ptsd.... I am also DIAGNOSED with ptsd!! AHA! Haha! GOT YOU BY THE BOLLOCKS NOW MOTHERFUCKER!!!
@@aleks8078 Most of the soldiers were white (except Japanese) who dragged other people in the war too. I don't think the German Soldiers in WW2 should be shamed. They were probably forced to fight or were brainwashed with NAZI propaganda. They fought so to protect the Germans and Germany, to earn money to live.
My grandfather was a Regimental Sergeant Major and had to prod these cowards into fighting. War was his entire life and he loved it until World War II ended. Even in his dying days he willed himself to live long enough to be in the Veteran's Day parade when he was 88 and died the next day. He made appearances at public schools on Remembrance Day each year.
I use to visit my dad at a heart center in a hospital ( 80's) That had a vets ward With men from WW2 One of which before vistor hours was coming to a end he would Check all the medical doors And offices by turning the door knobs ..Nurse told me He was a MP (Military police) And would do a check of the grounds were he was based in the Philippines His new wife was killed And he became a POW for almost 4 years "put simply He never left the base in his mind" That day he brought me a Juice cup that use to have tin foil peel away lids rubbed my head like i was 7 (i was 14 lol) And walked along Both hands behind his back Like he was in charge But aged with a bit of a slump He always stuck in my mind
I disagree with the whole it being "tied to masculinity"... You put anyone in that situation and any outcome is possible. Gender not playing a role. It's a human trait. If a man can do it, a woman is just as likely, we are made and constructed of the same.
My granddad was affected by his experiences in WW1, he never talked about them but his future attitude affected his family greatly. I can only imagine the awful stuff he went through.
Wait wut? How
How did it effect the family I am curious? Where is he from? USA ?
@@chloekit4861 well... his picture may be a hint to where he is from. And it most likely effected the family as they had to deal with his trauma and help and care for him. Now I could be wrong, but hope this helps!
We probably can't even imagine and wouldn't want too....those men went thru unspeakable things.......for us
@@lawrencecarter8072 exactly!
Shell shock was not just a psychologically effect but a physical effect.
A shell impact could actually vaporize internal organs without damage the surface of the skin due to shock waves and pressure waves at close range.
So some of these men suffered internal nerve damage and concussions.
Some never recovered and spend the last in their days in special homes.
May they RIP.
equarg thank you for the information I was always wondering
equarg I would assume the physical effect indeed was the sole reason the term caught on. As any physical effects would be universally excepted among troops and higher ranks. Objectively coining the term through the trenches as shells would “shock” (kill, maim, deafen, blind).
equarg that’s bollox no one should believe you
Its a multi-term, it means several things, there is the physical effect of being very close to explosions, the shock wave can indeed be so violent that causes damage to the nervous system, i think initially it just meant that, being physically shocked from a shell over and over again, mind you: these shelling's could go on for days firing thousands and thousands of shells.
And then there is the psychological effect, what we now call ptsd.
I think it could only hurt your organs if you’re in water watch mark rivers video on surviving a grenade
"In war, there are no unwound soldiers"
I think you mean unwounded
In war the only ones who find peace are the dead
@@femkevdw8369 and the germans
@@revenuebros5685 in what way?
What is shell-shocked can some one explain to me in a simple way
The last hospitalised Soldier from WW 1 with shell shock died IN hospital in 1988 after being in hospital for 70 years!
So tragic..
That is truly horrible.
Very sad for hear that, 70 Years of suffering He spending his whole life on Hospital and never Get cured
Sure. Cool story, bro.
that sounds horrific i honestly take my life for granted too often😪
I can’t imagine what each of those men went through during the war, they were all fighting their own battles inside too ❤️💔 we must never forget.
Can you believe the women who say what are men good for?
Bro frrrr@@NOOBNOOB007
I have the utmost respect for the men and women that fight in these horrific Wars. Human's we never learn. We are doomed to repeat history
You certainly did not learn who started the war and why
Legion Iron us because of a depression?
Respect for men, women don't and never have fought on the front line..
@@will2778 - Did the Vietnamese send women out and Japan and China??? to their front lines?
@@will2778 The soviets had women soldiers tho, and they still saw combat so respect to them as well
The wind was not just an "Old Soldiers belief" It was real. There was an actual concussion of shifting air pressure strong enough to make the men lose consciousness, sometimes even to kill them. It was not just fear, calling it fear alone is also too simplistic.
are you simple? LOOK at that ridiculous fake crap.
@@fn0rd99 So you watched an entire 6 minute video about a psychological problem of the WW1 soldiers, and called them fake?
@@fn0rd99- you must be, stupid.
@@bitterrsquiidss YAH BOSS.. THASS ME.. STOOPID.. DYURR.... but at least I can tell when someone's faking, you gullible child.
@@fn0rd99 these people fought for their lives and saw things no one ever should see. And here you are lying on you’re bed, denying it. It’s just sad.
I thought shell shock was developed from being traumatized by the explosions and gun fire
thats exactly what she talked about lol
Grant Churchill not exactly, shell shock is not mental like PTSD, its physical from explosions and gunshots whizzing by causing the airflow in ones head to be different
Me too
Shell shock by steelseries headphones.
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Same I'm confused
There is so much to shell shock, and it's so fascinating yet deeply disturbing. I mean think about it, at it's peak during WW1 they sent soldiers into the fray multiple times a day. Some of these soldiers would see people blown to bits regularly. It's not like today's war where you run a mission, head back to camp, and receive a psycho evaluation. It was go into the trenches, watch people explode and die multiple times a day, come back, sleep in mud, than do the same thing the next day. The destruction it could have on one's psyche is unimaginable. You were forced to repress these traumas, it was like PTSD on steroids. Luckily Myers methods were adopted and evolved, but it's still crazy seeing the videos of the effects it had. Mindblowing.
Debs husband says my Dad was a WW 2 veteran and we had a man in our home town who behaved strangely. He didn't bother anyone but you could tell something wasn't right. As a boy I asked my Dad about him and my Dad said the man was shell shocked from his experiences in the war. My Dad said the man was totally different before the war. So sad.
That could have been PTSD. Combat stress. He probably knew his behaviour was different but became isolated because nobody understood his experiences. There cases where soldiers who survived 3 and a half years of captivity by the Japanese had a whole raft of PTSD symptoms due the barbaric treatment handed out to them by their captors. Anyone facing these types of experiences is probably going to face problems reintegrating back into 'normal society '
imagine being in fear for your life 24/7. A never ending panic attack !!
Anytime I see footage of the affected soldiers, I think of their families seeing them upon their return. They sent a fully-functioning young man off to war, and the man that came back was not there anymore. If you haven't seen any of the videos, apparently there was some successful therapy available for them. I don't know how widespread it was, it is hard to know just how successful it was, sometimes you do get the feeling you're only watching the incredibly successful cases, but it is amazing to see.
You got free cigarettes and food and plenty of food. What more could a person ask for?
I couldn't handle it!
I can imagine that!
You don't get a whole chest full of medals that way.
I've read reports, witness accounts, facts and figures dozens of times, but never in a million years will I ever understand how such a war could ever happen in any group of humans with the audacity to call themselves civilized.
Search Balfour declaration and the jewish involvement
Unfortunately, you'd be surprised what we, as humans, are capable of! What I won't understand is how - after we saw what WW1 did - we were very capable of going for part 2.
@@MrDujmanu i mean in wwii, there was a guy who killed millions of innocent people. If wwii didnt happen more people wouldve been killed
@@MrDujmanu Post WW1 was basically the one of the main triggers for WW2 seeing as how Hitler wanted to restore Germany back to power since the country became poor and weak after WW1.
Man has been slaughtering each other since the beginning
Well from the World War 2 book “ With The Old Breed” by Eugene Sledge. He talked about every time a artillery barrage would occur his whole body would tense up like a fist. He said after each barrage ended he was mentally and physically exhausted.
Great book!!!
exactly dont listen to the soldiers who lived through it but a bunch of desk morons who didnt want the term used, the way the soldeirs did as it scared volunteers off. Lets see them sit in a trench for 36 hrs while 1500 mortars rain down within 500m
1:30 the guy about to go over the the trench got killed when he peeked his head out. 😥
BrickBoy117 There is a chance that he might have faked it. He looked scared and propably didn't want to go out. It also didn't look as if he got shot...
BrickBoy117 F
BrickBoy117 he probably was shell-shocked
BrickBoy117 no he faked getting killed
No duh. When they pop their head out they're head gets shoot
The leaders should have been the ones in the battlefield and fought it out instead of killing young men
War is started by the old and fought by the young bitter truth
The Turkish leader had fought on the battlefield with his soldiers
@@gamechanger2815 and Churchill i think
@@jawadtaheri4989 yy
Innocent pawns in a rich man's game
In my eyes, each and every person who fought in the war were so brave. War and death are not supposed to happen. Show some consideration for all those men...luckily nowadays men aren't made to go to war...not to mention the extremely brave young boys. Going to fight for the right thing without knowing what were to happen. I always have and always will remember them >3
deep!
Oh god. 😑
You have no cue what you are talking about.
there are tens/hundreds of wars taking place as I type this comment, I mean look at the middle east and syria.
I suggest you to look more deeply into he war crimes some people commited , they were not brave, nor good
Thinking about shell shocked soldiers fills me with a sort of slow rage. Imagine how bad it had to be to make strong young guys have seizures and breakdowns. They were used as cannon fodder, those lads, a whole generation of them. And it didn't have to happen. Not WWI. It could have been avoided. That's what is really sickening.
How aweful for those young men. To go, from a life of Peace and relative calm. To a Living Hell on Earth! I am Not surprised they suffered from Shell-Shock!
I saw a article that described that concussion from an explosion could damage neurons in the brain, physical damage.
Ricky May Get well soon that’s so sad his own family treated him that way!
Surely it would affect the inner ear which would lead to all sorts of problems
@@valerieloney5565 Yes, but not just the ear. Actually the brain tissue itself. Leading to many additional problems. But good of you to point out, that certain damage in the ears can also cause weird symptoms.
I once had an ear infection, that made me dizzy a whole lot. I literally walked with a bucket, for I could puke from nausea at any moment. I didn't hear about these shell shocked people being nauseated yet, but I'm pretty sure there must have been enough of them.
This is so sad and made me weep. God bless them all.
I enjoyed this, but I think it left some important things out, especially the relationship between Shell shock and PTSD and comparing symptoms with pre and post WW2 combatants
One my old teachers who was in ww2 and didn’t retire being a teacher till he was 80 told us his experiences saying he remembers hearing the whistling sounds coming down then boom
One cause of shell shock can be traumatic brain injury. TBI is caused when a soldier's brain is slapped hard inside the shell as a result of the blast wave of a shell or grenade nearby. Body armor with helmets can protect the body from metal shrapnel to a good degree. However, a damaged brain from a roadside bomb blast, landmine, boobytrap or shell/rocket burst can't be prevented so easily. TBI has lifelong impacts because a serious brain injury will impact the ability of a man to do sequential tasks in a workplace. The man might appear relatively normal at first meeting but is unable to perform basic tasks such as arithmetic or sequential task with computer instructions or other detailed paperwork with sequential steps to be filled out varying with circumstances. So TBI is a real problem because the extent of the injuries to a man's brain won't often be known for years afterwards. TBI is a physical injury of the brain but PTSD today is more a mental anxiety from exposure to repeated trauma. American military doctors and psychiatrists concerned with the mental health of veterans have noticed that after three tours of combat duty where violent events happened in the veteran's unit, most men and nowadays women too, start having serious issues with PTSD. TBI and PTSD often impact each other with one condition making the other one worse or they can act alone.
So I am a combat veteran and career soldier myself but I have done a fair amount of reading. Many American veterans with TBI and PTSD are strong candidates for marital problems resulting in divorce, workplace issues, emotional problems, nightmares and many become addicted to drugs or alcohol and some commit suicide. The worst cases are murder suicides of whole families in the United States. My wife and I say under such conditions after three combat tours the war comes home to the soldier's family and the wife and kids are casualties of war. Now, many veterans have issues with dealing with combat after coming home and discharge into civilian life again. But only a certain number ever commit suicide or murder their families in murder suicides. Many veterans learn to deal with TBI and PTSD issues if given proper mental health counseling, prescription drugs and other therapies from a professional mental health counselor. So it isn't all bleak or sad for all military families or veterans families but more a mixture of good and bad things together.
Thanks for sharing the meaning.
Men have gone through a lot respect ✊
3:38 is so scary it’s disterbing
He actually recovered! There a video by the British Pathe of the before and after which stars that man!
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@@chimpmonumentis577 whats the man's name
@@xXbnfrXx Greg
Shell shock > Battle Fatigue > Post traumatic stress disorder
Shell Shock = A permanent yellow streak up their backs.
“Cowards” yeah, more like courageous
My grandfather enlisted underage at age 16 in World War I and fought in World War II. He loved war and was distraught when World War II ended. My uncle has all his bravery medals. Shell shock is just a symptom of cowardice.
parkerbohnn stfu you pos. Your grandfather sounds like a pos psychopath
parkerbohnn go to war then and don’t sit in your room watching vids on your phone 😁
By Tacitus. Even the bravest are frightened by sudden terrors.
@@parkerbohnn By any chance is your grand father last name HITLER ?
My grandfather had some shell shock from ww2. Not like these poor boys but he in actuality had some ptsd that made him irritable. Although you'd never know it being around him he seemed cool as a cucumber just a no nonsense individual that grew up in the holler in ky. He said they was so poor they didn't even know there was a depression cause life didn't change. He quit school in 3rd grade to help tend to the farm. His mom was a full Cherokee that died during childbirth.He lived a hard life that made him tough as nails.
I still don't have any clue what this Is. Was It just a shock from what they experienced and seen, or were they injured and had concussions?
Both.
Miriam K - please, do a little bit of research or look at the video AGAIN. You will then get your answer.
@@rosemarydudley9954 Why do you think I didn't do any research? Just because I didn't understand the explanation, doesn't mean I'm a complete idiot.
@@monitorlizard9971 I understand. But does It effect them physically too? Because some can't even walk.
It is now called PTSD
😭😭😭 our vets should not want for anything in this world. Everything should be free for all who serve and have served. War is ugly!
When I was little I was looking at world war and when Soldiers shoot I can’t see the bullet but u saw ppl die and I thought smoke could kill someone so I was scared of smoke for a week
lol same
Damion Gordon... Awww bless you. ❣️
Sjb explosions was one of the causes of shell shock, there were lots of other factors too like any kind of trauma leading to a breakdown.
The reason the Army leadership attempted to downplay shell shock is because treating shell shock properly cost a lot of money. Men have to be sent to hospitals usually for long periods of time, see specialist doctor and receive a lot of specialist treatment. All that costs a lot of taxpayer money...the government does not want to pay for expensive specialist treatment for TBI, "shell shock" and mild concussions from too close shell explosions and the extreme barometric pressure changes a close shell explosion causes.
It seems obvious to me that the old films of shell shock look completely unrelated to modern PTSD. Those men look like they have physical nerve damage, while modern PTSD is more of a psychological condition. Modern PTSD also doesn't exhibit any of the old physical symptoms like loss of muscle control and unusual gait. I'm sorry, but just seeing the videos it's clearly not the same disease. I sometimes wonder, is there a nerve agent used in those days that we're not aware of? Sure, psychological trauma has always been around, but the old physical nerve damage is not the same thing.
Helmet design changed radically after WWI. They learned a valuable lesson - and I'm puzzled why this basic fact that was repeated all throughout the 80's and 90's documentaries seems to be forgotten.
Once helmets were improved - the shell-shock injuries largely disappeared.
The Axis had it bad; with many German soldiers wearing the spike cap that was usually just hardened leather.
The allies' helmet was a metal death trap that was worse. The rim acted like a sail to catch shockwaves from above - slamming the helmet onto the crown of head.
Side blasts weren't any better - modern helmets have smooth sides that absorb impact and spread it out equally...The rim of the "Doughboy" helmet was like a giant iron ring that slammed into the temples - screwing up the nerves for the jaw and eyes.
Impacts from the rear made the rim slam into the brain stem or rear of the cranium.
Blindness wasn't "hysterical" - that's where the optic nerve goes. Vision is processed in the back of the brain. Docs just didn't know that then and said "it's all in your head." YEAH!
Those helmets were "brain rattlers." Designed to protect from shrapnel, not a blast.
WWI was when they first understood the brain shaking in the skull was a critical injury, not just a headache.
They fixed it right away via trial and error.
But it wasn't until the 60's with tests on monkeys that they could confirm and really understand that the brain bouncing inside the skull was a critical injury. (See the horrible rhesus macaque videos where a monkey is strapped into a helmet - which moves and shakes his head violently.)
A teacher pointed out the Nine Inch Nails video for _Closer_ features that actual footage. We owe a lot to these unfortunate monkeys.
We see a lot of traumatic brain injuries in soldiers again in whenever helmets are manufactured defectively - like in Gulf War II. (Thanks Rumsfield...)
Good helmets really matter. That war was how the world found out its the most important part of a soldier's gear.
@Jane Jan,
"Modern PTSD also doesn't exhibit any of the old physical symptoms......"
Wanna bet?
I am a military veteran with 32 years of service with 7 combat tours. The Navy forced me to retire, medically, shortly after my last tour in Afghanistan. One of my issues was severe PTSD that causes me to have hand tremors, arms jerking making me drop things, loss of control of one or both of my legs while walking. It is so severe, (and progressing), that the V.A. assisted in getting me a large breed service just walk and issued a forearm crutch to balance my other side.
Please don't make claims about an injury/illness unless you have experienced it firsthand.
@@jonnwray960 That sounds horrible, I hope you're ok. They're telling you it's psychological though? It sounds neurological to me, like, that sounds like something with the physical nervous system, rather than it being 'in your mind'.
My ex had a PTSD diagnosis, and it was all psychological symptoms. I've never met someone who had the modern 'psychological' diagnosis with the old physical symptoms. It doesn't make any sense to me that these two totally different sets of symptoms get diagnosed the same.
Like, there's a difference between stuff that gets on your nerves, and stuff that physically damages your nervous system, but they act like it's the same thing, and that's what I find confusing. Hope you're doing ok now, none the less, and thanks for your service. It takes a brave man to go out there
@@janejan9728
Thanks Jane, your kind words are appreciated.
Like anything else in life, you adjust, adapt, overcome.
The V.A. has taken pretty good care of me, but there is only so much they can do. Research is continuing, but research into PTSD, shell shock, battle fatigue, etc was very limited until Desert Storm in 1990.
I have a wonderful service dog that the V.A. helped me obtain. She's a big Great Dane, (our vet says she is a "European Dane"), 170 lbs, smart as a whip, loves when I put her harness on and tell her "time to work". When not working, she is typical Dane, a big love bug, big baby that thinks she is a lap dog. She loves to run, trips over her own feet, can be a serious couch potato. But, she is a huge he.p to me day and night.
@@jonnwray960 how you holding up? I have so much respect for you
God bless these men, as a volunteer in Syria, I was in Aleppo when Chlorine gas chemical attacks happened. I remain hyper sensitive to chlorine, I go in vomit, rapid eye movement because I see and hear the screaming women and children running. Financed by France, America and Israel, allowing terrorists not Assad having such vile technology. I often wish I had an earlier envolvement and died with my comrades and brothers in arms.
Shell Shock, PTSD are serious anxiety based disorders of the traumatic brain injury and it's coping mechanism, but it is not mental illness.
Seeing men return addicted to legal or illegal drugs, to destitution and homelessness and with nerves shattered is why I still oppose women being infantry front line soldiers as canon fodder. Stuff equality when it denies the enate manly idea for all the ages, we stand willing to die for women, children and animals.
I feel like another cause may be just seeing things like a man so horrifically injured like seing somebody lose a leg or something of the sort could be recalled in the memory and cause somebody to “do the shell shock stare” my uncle saw a buddy lose his leg in Iraq and sometimes he just stares in horror because the gruesome sight is recalled in his memory
It’s not just a memory you’re whole consciousness is re experiencing it each time you have a flash back to the point you think you’re still there. Sometimes other senses are affected while you’re having a flash back like you smell, taste or hear like you’re back there too.
One of my great grandfather's was a stretcher bearer. Apparently, he never talked about his experiences.
I use it loosely, bc of the look it portraits in one's eye after experiencing so much...it numbs the soul, plus tremors.
My grandfather had shrapnel in his legs from aged 16 until he died in his 80s. He did not suffer from 'shell shock' as such, but he never spoke about WW1, even when asked. His brother had shell shock and left home, never to be seen again
Very comprehensive and succinct. Well done here. Still much to learn about the brain, neurology, physiology.
Shell shock
War neurosis
Combat fatigue
PTSD
All are the same. There are different symptoms, ranges and triggers but they all are rooted on one thing. It was seeing and hearing things that no human should ever hear, feel or see.
They are definitely NOT all the same. Shell shock was a term used for all. It could be severe PTSD in a certain amount of cases. But when you look at the videos, the majority shows clear signs of actual physical brain damage. Which is not rooted in the emotions, but in the organ the brain being actually damaged.
You can service-connected compensation for Traumatic Brain Injury as distinct from PTSD.
I imagine shells detonating close by...throwing men into shock or something similar, became the first use of the term, right there in the trench.
War destroys everything
Known today as TBI, Traumatic Brain Injury. Maybe in the recent wars, the increase in exposure to explosions lead to medical research in this area.
Thanks for that. Too many people dismiss shell shock as PTSD. Now, PTSD is horrid and of course there is some overlap. But when I watch videos about shell shocked men, the majority of them show clear signs of actual physical brain damage.
So, I was pretty mad at this dumb woman in the video, spreading nonsense she learned, about things she does not understand.
Definition: Psychological disturbance caused by prolonged exposure to active warfare, especially being under bombardment.Also called combat fatigue.
And as such a literal insult to injury. For although some cases are obviously a severe case of PTSD, which is horrid enough!, there are much more cases, in which the men show actual signs of physical brain damage. To ignore that and call that hysterical is a big injustice.
Doctors didn't know much back then. And many doctors don't know much right now still. But there is knowledge enough about how being close to explosions can damage the organ inside of the skull, named the brain. Actual brain damage.
Quiet interesting to look back at the psychological effect of war to every man who joined the battle. I was brought here thanks to fiction books based on real events like this
Yes. But please keep in mind, that shell shock and PTSD do only overlap, but are not the same thing! The woman in this video does not understand well enough what she teaches. When you look at videos of men with shell shock, the majority clearly show signs of actual physical brain damage. It wasn't understood back then, but ought to be now! Doctors have always called things psychological or 'hysterical', which they didn't understand. Label them and done. Literally adding insult to injury.
Thank for the explanation
The sad thing is that those who developed shell-shock often was accused of cowardice.
Yes and many are not aware that the British executed over 600 of their own people for not wanting to fight and not just not wanting to fight but various other reasons that were to them totally inexcusable. Young boys, not even men young young boys without a proper trial, the British did a great great injustice and disservice to their fellows. Do some research on it and have a look what I'm talking about and you will be absolutely appalled.
Poor guys. Lied to and murdered, maimed and abandoned by scum who think they are elite. Actually utter filth.
1:27 running out into no man's land... such crazy scene and also those two guys dying just as soon as they showed their heads
Both PTSD and shell shock wow, we deal mainly with PTSD only. God bless them
Shell Shock....Combat Fatigue....Operational Exhaustion...Post Tramatic Stress Disorder....all the same thing, caused by the hell of combat, the curse of war. May the all find peace.
shell shock is a state of mind... Brought on through traumatic experience
A Lion of England --- Traumatic AND PHYSICAL. Watch this vid. again and learn.
My dad's cousin was shell shocked from world War two and she was a nurse.
It’s clearly more than PTSD. I am a trauma therapist for veterans. Mostly combat veterans. I have never seen anything like this in person… ever.
Makes me wonder more about toxins and heavy metals. This is exactly what that looks like in animals. (Used to do wildlife rescue as well). Of course my thoughts are coming from anecdotal experiences. Make me wonder .
They tried to outlaw the term because people who didn't have it could understand just how intense it was by that term.
Now we get PTSD. PTSD is the exact same thing without people realizing how intense the disorder is.
no shell shock also had a physical component to it caused by shockwaves from explosive shells damaging the brain
It's not just bombs, sometimes they just went insane for all the shooting, blood, and hunger
@@Crabcrabcrabcrab7214 yep and lots of other reasons we can't even fathom. But the real or perceived threat of death was there on a daily occurrence. Doesn't have to be your own death to affect you the same way
Sorry, but PTSD is horrid, but NOT the same thing as what is shown here as shell shock in many cases. Some cases are clearly severe PTSD. But other cases shows clear signs of physical brain damage, which is not part of PTSD.
I'm mexican, me pareció una buena explicación del Shell shok
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physically shell shock looks like a person is in survival mode I think it is completely physiological and the biggest sign or symptom that war is wrong. too say someone is extremely fearful and hiding under a bed because of fluid change in their ears is a stretch I think. these men were reduced to primal instincts and I think some never get out of it.
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exactly.
this isn't ptsd.
these poor souls were subjected to such extreme, relentless levels of terror, their minds have literally cracked. fear that reduced them to their most primal instincts. like a trapped animal.
i find it disrespectful how everybody's kinda trying to equate our mild, common, daily stress to something as unimaginable as this.
how dare they.
There actually was a specific physical head trauma called shell shock too.
There's a reason they switched helmet designs. The allied helmet with the "rim" around the sides was a deathtrap.
They thought it would help protect their head from things falling on them from above like in siege warfare where men climbed ladders up a city wall...
They didn't realize that stuff falling on them wasn't the big killer - but the shockwave of explosions.
Some of the largest artillery guns and shells ever made by man made craters hundreds of meters wide. That's rarely seen in today's wars.
In modern helmets, there's nothing for the wave to "catch" as it breaks over the helmet. But the rim caught the blast like a sail - and slammed it onto the crown of the head. That's a rare kind of injury on the battlefield, and helmet design changes make it extremely rare today.
When hit from a side-blast it was no better - instead of the blast hitting a smooth side and distributing the impact, the rim focused it around the head in a circle.
It smashed the nerves at the temple and cheek area, resulting in the facial ticks and wide-eyed staring, and motor function (walking) problems from general concussion, particularly worse when getting hit in the back of the head by the brain stem.
A lot of the blindness wasn't hysterical - the back of the head is where the optic nerve goes. It just took time to recover.
So, shell-shock was real. And it was specific. It was just that nobody knew traumatic brain injuries were so bad for a person, because in previous times, grievously-injured soldiers didn't much survive. The study of it began at this time because of this war.
That would explain why the Germans didn't experience shell shock, they had completely different helmets.
Its a shame that these people are brainwashed to go to war as pawns for the rulers of countries who have not an ounce of care for them or their families who then have to care for these wounded individual's afterwards.
Has anyone noticed the guy at 1:30 faking being shot ? he's pretending to get up, waits for all his comrades to charge then he fakes being dead.
1:30 fifth guy from the right peeks back and drops to the ground. Was this for the camera? Did he really even get shot? Did people just act this way to get out of war? 1:34
Watching shell shock videos from WW1, them boys danced a decent jig lol
Tavistock institute founded in 1921 researched the effects of shell shock.
With this data available they turned to an idea and developed this idea that has it's history in shell shock.
As the necessary technology was available they applied shell shock via airplanes, meaning bombers.
The target was the German civilian population. Mr. Kurt Lewin (nose man) developed the idea of aerial bombing.
After ww2 the organization that was in charge to study the aerial bombardment, transformed itself into an Air Force organization.
On March/01/1946, Army Air Force Contract No. MX-791 was signed, creating the RAND Corporation as an official think tank, defining Project RAND "a continuing program of scientific study and research on the broad subject of air warfare with the object of recommending to the Air Force preferred methods of techniques and instrumentalities for this purpose."
On May/14/1948, Rand Corporation funding was taken over by H. Rowan Gaither, head of the Ford Foundation.
This was done because the Air Force had sole control of the Atomic Bomb program for the Cold War with the Strategic Air Command, the missile program, and many other elements of the "terror strategy".
It became a billion dollar game for the scientists, with John von Neumann (nose man), their leading scientist, becoming world famous as the inventor of "game theory", in which the U.S.A. and the Soviet Union engaged in a worldwide "game" (war game) to see which would be the first to attack the other with nuclear missiles. In America, the schools held daily bomb drills, with children hiding under their desks, meanwhile those scientist were smiling to what length they could manipulate society.
This new organized tool with the name RAND Corporation set now out to plan new bombing campaigns based on the available data they already accumulated through ww2.
The Korean war ended with farmers on both sides having been extensive targeted and weren't able to produce thereof enough food anymore. The U.S. bombing campaign having had the logistics (roads) wiped out for distribution of the food, had the farmer not anymore capable to produce enough food, thus wide spread starvation was experienced by Koreans.
After the Korean War more Koreans died due to food shortages than due to the actually combat actions on both sides (inclusive the heavy massacres on Korean civilians).
The planning of the Vietnam bombing campaigns according to Daniel Ellsberg (a nose man, he stole the Pentagon Papers that consisted of information concerning the Vietnam War. This information was withheld from the American public) pointing this out in his book "Secrets", published in 1971, had been delegated to General McNamara and his assistant John McNaughton. Both of these individuals of course are chosenites. In this bombing campaign the U.S. Bomber Command dropped nearly half of the tonnage of bombs dropped on Europe and Soviet Russia during ww2. The result also here was like in the Korean war, a shortage of food. In addition to the aerial bombing of farms (Farm Land) the chemical warfare agents - Agent Orange and Agent Purple were released on the fertile farm land to destroy the soil of the farmers. The extensive Search & Destroy operation of the U.S. Army And Marines paralyzed the villagers.
The communist Guerilla fighters called Vietcong killed mercyless the South Vietnamese farmers as they became targets of both, American Soldiers and VC (Vietcong). As starvation occurred in South Vietnam by having reduced the food production of the South Vietnamese farmers through sheer terror bombing and raids from the Vietcong and U.S. Army and Marines and the agent orange/purple chemical warfare agents, the food processors of America were ordered by the U.S. government to ship white rice by the tons to Vietnam to guarantee a continuation of the planned war.
After the war more Vietnamese died through starvation related infections than through the search & destroy and bombing campaigns together.
The weed killer agent orange and agent purple made Vietnamese and American soldiers sick. It destroyed animals, birds and the fish in the Rivers and ponds as the soil got contaminated, the ground water was poisoned, too.
The RAND Corporation was never indicted. The only difference by principle to the terror bombing of Germany in ww2 and that of Korea and Vietnam was, that the Germans defended their cities by having an air defence. Korea and Vietnam had no air defence.
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Watch 1:28 --1:34. There is a soldier who waits for most of the men to get over the hump of dirt, and then "tries" to get over the small dirt pile. Instead, when his fellow soldiers make it over and run , he acts like hes trying to get up. Instead he slips down and just lats against the hill of dirt. He was afraid to die.
I think he first guy was shot no movement.
This video was from a re enactment of a battle in 1916. The man in the video did not die.
This helped me realise how much humanity is lost by design in war
I seriously never knew she’ll shocked people were protected by their peers but it makes sense
When looking at a. War and seeing everything as an asset, effectiveness is the priority. Just like all our movies, be the most effective Rambo and you’re doing great
But an army isn’t made up of rambos as much as everyone in there might aspire to be
Do you really want it, or were you shown what to want?
I can't wait in 100 years people talk about the war against terrorism like we talk about WW2 today.
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Shell Shock was present in BOTH WW's
This comparison is an insult to everyone who lives through ww2
Interracial Suspect Terrorism is nothing compared to other things. All they do is spread fear and then it dies out for a while... WW2 was much more horrible.
Interracial Suspect they will talk about how banker manipulate the world and lead it to wars .
wow.. just awful..
+Jacob Schute You shouldn't be watching this.
Mrs Creepy I bet that cover photo on his Google+ account is him.
Jacob Schute ...you disgust me
What organ cause tremors
Catatonic pause
Restless leg
Inability to articulate
Causes irritability
Is lucid dreaming a side affect?
Just call it “Battle fatigue”. It’s the WW2 term & it’s more accurate to describe the affliction.
Watching some of those videos is heart breaking. Just watching someone collapse from getting shot as their buddies run on....
I'm 99% sure that wasn't a real video. So don't worry.
First of all.. If you actually pay attention to the video you can see that there are actually 2 men who "got shot". You obviously see that it's scripted. I mean, first i was 99% sure, now I'm 100% sure.
In war, whichever side may call itself the victor, there are no winners, but all are losers.
- Neville Chamberlain
Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.
Yes! You’re guitar right… shell shock should be called,…”exploding shell shock.” Rather than, Seashells by the seashore and fishing in the gently lapping waves on a sunny day shock.
Did anyone see the soilder play oppossum
Masculinity has nothing to do with emotion. Saying so, is the only way an emotional person can understand drive, by using their own methods of understanding the world around them. Masculinity, is defined by a single characteristic.. of work. To be more precise the act of provision. Fruition. It's a little easier to understand in context of _competition for resource_ . We are social creatures, and in a social construct there is.. cooperation for provision.. there is no benefit for whats seen as an unreliable person.
For a woman who has difficulty understanding male provision, you can quite easily understand it by using the female drive to protect her offspring. There is no emotion involved.. its a deliberate, concise, undiplomatic, immediate instinct. It just is.. theres no hubris behind that drive. There are no.. secondary motives. A woman doesnt have to think about protecting her offspring.. and there are no limits or compromise.. until the job is secured. This is the same for male provision.
In regard to this current trend of entitlement. We have a come to accept an odd mixture of gender blurring and gender shaming in the same context. Next time you hear the term Toxic Masculinity, perhaps think about the humility or audacity of challenging a womans method of child rearing as a comparator.
I feel it pertinent to note, sexual drive in primates and the chemical basis of neurology, the mechanism of evolution, and the age and variety in phylogeny.
Bartacomus Kidd so you’re saying a woman isn’t naturally competitive in the work place and men aren’t naturally protective of their children as a reflex? lmao stfu really, also has nothing to do with Shell shock at all, didn’t you hear it’s about the brain? If woman would’ve fought in that war they would’ve essentially gotten the same exact syndrome.
Yeah, your thesis has holes in it.
@@laurajimenez7878 No, i didnt say that at all. Or even allude to it. Comparing Gender Equality to Masculinity is probably a topic you are interested in, or its close to your heart.
Masculinity is the drive for provision. To provide. You are using Masculinity as a _comparator._ A set of _values,_ to measure X against. Freud called this Penis Envy. (which has nothing to do with having a penis).
And you are right, women subjected to this specific torture would most likely have the same physical and mental conditions. So, you _ALSO_ see that this womans attempt to tie Masculinity to Shellshock is incorrect. She herself.. is seeing masculinity as some social 'metric' and value-set, using her own ideology of Value and Emotion.
I thought it quite interesting she said *_MEN_*_ started using the term 'shellshock'.._ not man, not we, "men" with an E. Thats quite a distinction.. in regard to a what considered a medical condition.
on a side note (which i dont care to be subjective.. but..) i thought her grimace. that looong blink and stammer when she started on masculinity were quite an indicator.
@@Indiegirl007 I'm open to critique. If you see some holes, you have the burden of proof. Sing out.
Or if you just don't like my answer, try to give a reason. It's the only way we learn.
@@bartacomuskidd775 I'm tempted to add that there's perhaps three classes of Masculinity overlapping here - and I suspect this is causing some confusion.
a) There's the Masculinity metric amongst the soldiers as your peer group. This is the element she's referring to when referring to the group and being attentive to the wellbeing of the soldier as part of the fighting unit - both for his own sake; for the sake of being a good comrade and also being watchful of the ability of the fighting unit to carry out combat action. All these elements are essential in maintaining fighting power, camaraderie and morale.
b) There's the external and harder to define external social perception of 'masculinity' in which men of fighting age are challenged to be in uniform and in the 'game' so to speak. If you're not fighting; you're not a Man. It was this perception of playing your role as a Man in society which the propaganda and recruitment leveraged and exerted a direct influence from and against. As the saying goes, 'a man thinks meanly of himself for not having being a solider.' Such is perhaps the legacy of the Athenian notion of democratic soldiery - spread through the common European readings of Greek at school and transmitted through public and informal education systems.
If shell-shock destabilised your fighting capacity, then you were reduced in 'status'. A physical injury is easier to explain and is more readily comprehended by an observer. Anyone with a mental illness will tell you that this 'invisible' dimension distorts the perception of wellness and how you, as the patient, are expected to perform and conduct yourself in society. No one, the message goes, likes a shirker - or malingerer. Such was the social backlash against injured soldiers (without obvious wounds - especially as, contrary to popular media expectations, amputations were suffered in roughly only about 10% of combat casualties in the British Army from 1914-18) or soldiers on R&R in civvy clothes that special badges were eventually issued in the UK to those ill, or otherwise excused from combat roles. This is essential in maintaining fighting morale at home and abroad. Especially when just over 50% of casualties from the Front in infantry and artillery units were from non-visible rheumatic, pneumatic and arthritic conditions!
c) Tied to these is the internalised socialised measure of how the individual assayed themselves against the wider agreed perceptions of how being a Man was defined by your near and far social group. Social definitions of Manhood are wide and diverse - what is considered 'manly' in one society is not universal across all.
Thus, we can see how a solider stricken with disruptive shell-shock might view his own condition as acute - simply from assessing himself against the first two categories of Masculinity identified above - all of which very likely exerted such an influence upon him becoming a solider in the first place.
I trained at fort Irwin California to use explosives to detonate anti tank mines We. were hundreds of yards away when we detonated them and the concussion still hurt when the it hit you a couple of seconds after you saw the blast. The mighty mighty bosstones sang a song, i think it was" knock on wood".
We owe the men who endured for freedom a lot of respect ans the kneeling sports celebrities scorn.
1:32 my mans died without getting one foot on the battlefield
Back then if shell shock happened to a front line soldier it was not recognized as anything but cowardly acting and even though they were in extreme mental trouble they would send them right back to the line or they were in severe trouble.
I still have no idea what causes shell shock. Please explain... I'm a bit slow
What changed between WW1 and WW2 because we don't seem to see it as much ?
...because soldiers in WW2 weren't exposed to such prolonged bombardment as in WW1, and armies (especially western allies) had learned some lessons from WW1 and rotated their troops out of combat more frequently, hence soldiers had shorter periods at the front. They also responded to, and treated early symptoms much more swiftly.
1:28 Dude Had no chance to get out
why was this term only used in connection with world war I and not in world war II?
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That's why
WW2 was a war of mobility. Where both wars were years long.. WW1 the "line" was in the same place.. and the men there were subject to bombardment constantly, where men under seige or artillery in WW2 were exposed to short intense bursts of it
OH MY GOD BOYZ, WE HAVE AN SJW HERE! IM WITH U SISTER! WHY ARE MEDICS BEING RACIST TOWARDS WW2 SOLDIERS??? THOSE DAMN PRIVILEGED NAZIS! ugh (they are probably white too 🤮) WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE!?! I MEAN LIKE... YOU KNOW... MY GRANDFATHER FOUGHT IN THE SECOND WW... AND MY DAD IN THE FIRST!!! ... I have friends with ptsd.... I am also DIAGNOSED with ptsd!! AHA! Haha! GOT YOU BY THE BOLLOCKS NOW MOTHERFUCKER!!!
@@aleks8078 Most of the soldiers were white (except Japanese) who dragged other people in the war too. I don't think the German Soldiers in WW2 should be shamed. They were probably forced to fight or were brainwashed with NAZI propaganda. They fought so to protect the Germans and Germany, to earn money to live.
My grandfather was a Regimental Sergeant Major and had to prod these cowards into fighting. War was his entire life and he loved it until World War II ended. Even in his dying days he willed himself to live long enough to be in the Veteran's Day parade when he was 88 and died the next day. He made appearances at public schools on Remembrance Day each year.
A few of the soldiers in the film footage looked like they played dead to avoid advancing forward.
It's a clip from a battle re enactment in 1916
Anyone remember the George Carlin bit about how we got from "Shell Shock" to "Post Traumatic Stress Disorder" ?
What happened to that soldier at 1:30? i know they shot those who didnt leave the trenches but there was someone else moving to the left.
How come we don't hear of soldiers today having shell shock? Do they not experience the level of violence experienced in WW1 and WW2?
No, the shelling & life in trenches was WAY worse than todays style of war.
I use to visit my dad at a heart center in a hospital ( 80's) That had a vets ward With men from WW2 One of which before vistor hours was coming to a end he would Check all the medical doors And offices by turning the door knobs ..Nurse told me He was a MP (Military police) And would do a check of the grounds were he was based in the Philippines His new wife was killed And he became a POW for almost 4 years "put simply He never left the base in his mind" That day he brought me a Juice cup that use to have tin foil peel away lids rubbed my head like i was 7 (i was 14 lol) And walked along Both hands behind his back Like he was in charge But aged with a bit of a slump He always stuck in my mind
Damn, old boy got back at 1:54.
Ken S stfu pervert
@@Halo2glitchlover22 it was just a joke chill
Shell shock and PTSD are not the same thing, but almost anyone with shell shock also have PTSD.
The irony of serving wars. Yet.......
I disagree with the whole it being "tied to masculinity"... You put anyone in that situation and any outcome is possible. Gender not playing a role. It's a human trait. If a man can do it, a woman is just as likely, we are made and constructed of the same.
War is brutal
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1:31 did that soldier got shot
They are not cowards
*They are Whimps*
I will refund my ww 1 games I bought
Why?
And if because this is some sick stuff that you should probably return all your War "games" because no matter what war there is horrible and bad