Black doom didn't return because of the time eater. He never died during his invasion on earth during "Shadow the hedgehog (2005)" he was "resurrected" via a death leech that was on the ark.
Me looking for a thematic reason for radical highway’s return: “Well clearly this is symbolically showing how far has come since his first appearance. Black Doom keeps reminding shadow of a location where he pledged his desire to take his revenge out on mankind, naturally bringing up bad memories. Doom wants shadow to give into his destructive rage so he can take control of Shadow’s mind as he fully gives in to his violent alien side, but despite being reminded of his past, shadow hold onto his conviction and defies Black Doom.” Me looking for a funny answer: “Black Doom just really fucking loves Radical Highway and is pissed that he couldn’t have been around to watch Shadow traverse the area. So he’s trying to make up for last time.”
Tbh I couldn’t care less about writing changes for a story that is way below mediocre anyway. There is literally no other reason to play sonic generations other than the gameplay and music.
With Generations, the script was one of the most criticized aspects of the game, so it's not really surprising why they rewrote it. With Unleashed everyone loves the story. I would worry about the werehog tho.
I feel like he kept taking him to Radical Highway because when he originally went through the stage, he was set on vengeance to avenge Maria because he thought that's what she would've wanted. Maybe Black Doom was trying to get him to try to take vengeance on, well himself by getting stronger through his doom powers. Which said doom powers make Black Doom stronger too. Or he could just really like Radical Highway😂.
If they are gonna re-dub Unleashed, I really hope they just get the original cast, cuz for as story driven as Unleashed is compared to Gens, having the newer VA would just feel a little too jarring
While I didn’t mind most of the rewritten dialogue in Sonic Generations (I actually prefer the newer Amy over the old), some of the changes felt unnecessary. I prefer the Knuckles fat shaming Classic Sonic joke. As for Shadow Generations, I honestly couldn’t ask for anything better. It’s just so good.
@@EWOODJ sonic fans really wanna gaslight people into thinking they didn't hate that amy was nearly constantly portrayed as an annoying obsessive stalker lol. Yes she had some good moments but that's literally only in SA1 and 2. Bring up heroes, riders, battle and flipping fold lol.
9:37 for this part Gerald and black doom meet cus Gerald found black dooms comet and came in contact with it and black doom. Gerald wanted doom to help him with creating shadow in hopes to make him a success unlike the biolizard
Honestly, the Sonic Generations rewrites didn't bother me all that much, they just felt very unnecessary. Same goes for the animation changes. The game is still one of the best Sonic games of all time eater. As for Shadow Generations, that's now also one of the best Sonic games. Probably somewhere in my top 10 favorite Sonic games. Honestly unlike Sonic Gens, Shadow Gens has no moments for me where I go "ugh, this part!" whereas Sonic Gens has Planet Wisp and the Time Eater boss (with the way you have to defeat him). Shadow Gens is an amazing game that blew me away. As for a Sonic Unleashed remaster; they'll probably redub the game to stay consistent with their re-releases, but idk for sure. I think enough people are complaining about the Sonic Gens rewrites to the point where SEGA may go "yeah, maybe we shouldn't change this as much or at all". And I'm not sure if Shadow will be in the game or not. I think Shadow being added this time was a way to reintroduce the character to modern audiences, but also to promote the Sonic 3 movie. We'll have to see what they do in the future.
Yeah, I can see them adding Shadow into more new games but I recall they said in an interview that the special treatment Shadow is getting this year shouldn't be expected in the years to come. They're going to keep using him for new things, since there's never been a better reminder of how much bank Shadow can make, but I wouldn't expect Shadow side stories in future remasters or remakes.
the remaster is unfaithful to the original. regardless of how much people like to hate on gens story , it served it's purpose and is just light-hearted fun. it's what the cover conveys ; just two sonics having having a blast , celebrating the franchises history. the stakes don't need to be high, there doesn't need to be loads of unnecessary exposition , and especially rewriting one of the most iconic characters to fit some other games narrative because jokes aren't allowed anymore. even if they're minor changes they're still extremely concerning for future remasters. at this point i just want an unleashed port. no hedgehog engine 2 , no silver DLC , no ian flynn writing , no patches no changes to the original. the game already looks gorgeous in 2024.
7:40 I think that they changed that cutscene not for Amy but for Knuckles. Dude had a really rough time in the meta era and putting a little bit of respect on him as oppose to a one of comedy bit was kinda nice. Still unneeded in the grand scheme of things but I appreciate it for what they meant it for.
I completely agree. The rewrite is very unnecessary and to be honest, it's worse than the original writing. I wish they would have made some more visual improvements to Sonic Generations instead of rewriting the dialogue.
I'm sorry, but ain't no way you said that the same people who made Sonic Lost World's story had better writing than the person who literally made Shadow Generations story
Soo this Generations port is...well a port. But it's based on the PS3. Why? No one knows. We're speculating probably because Devils Details who did the original PC port shut down They actually had to fix alot of stuff that devils details fixed for the PC port originally in their own Weird way, it's mostly good tho
I'm assuming the PS3 version was a bit more stable than the 360 version. I know Sonic Team had a specific fascination with the PS3, considering Unleashed is uncapped and Gens is very stable.
What i believe Sega should do is have a different mode. One where the original Story is intact with the original voice actors while the remaster is the new dialogue
I'm really worried that an incoming Unleashed Remaster will change everything we've come to love about that game. Let's be honest with the precedent they've now set there's no way they don't try to redub/rewrite the story to keep the characters in line with how they're written now or substantially change the Werehog to be more casual friendly
I feel the only changes unleashed really needs is to get rid of the combat stat for the werehog and give him his full kit from the get go, and lower the level 7 sun medal requirement from 120 to 100.
@@jackhumphries1087 I think they should just make the sun medals optional altogether. It doesn't work very well for casual players, and forces you to *grind.* ***In a Sonic game.***
I mean i get it about the rewrite story still I didn't mind about rewrite stuff and I didn't mind the references too because this is sonic generations we are talking here it's about anniversary about this franchise of course it has reference and the story is not really that deep like shadow generations does
And worst of all, they changed the OG voice acting Colleen O'Shaughnessey replaces Kate Higgins as Classic and Modern Tails. Dave B. Mitchell replaces Travis Willingham as Knuckles. Matthew Mercer replaces Troy Baker as Espio. Erica Lindbeck replaces Laura Bailey as Blaze and Omochao. Bryce Papenbrook replaces Quinton Flynn as Silver. I wish they didn't do that. Hell beside on Silver, Blaze, and Espio. I wish they bring back Kate Higgins as Tails, Travis Willingham as Knuckles, and Laura Bailey as Omochao.
Black doom was not related to time eater, he apparently can rebuild his body making him a kinda imortal being and they say very clearly that the Black Arms can comeback someday again meaning that yes Black Doom is not dead at the end of shadow generations probably leaving a door if they want to bring him back again being a villain in a future game which kinda makes sense if you think they said that they might want to do more shadow games in the future if this one was well received and i think is pretty clear what answer to the reception we got, sincerely i just hope they dont go a sonic generations route and dont give this game level DLCs, like where are those Shadow 05 levels at
I don’t think an unleashed remaster will have any rewrites, after all generations only had rewrites because of the community primarily criticizing the story. If anything the werehog would likely be changed to have smoother controls, a training mode like a devil may cry 5, and just any potential quality of life changes for the werehog. But if we are getting something like sonic x shadow gens with a new story that takes place simultaneously as the original one, I’d like to see silver and blaze be the main subjects of it. Maybe it could take place in the sol dimension or future with them fixing the shattered world and beating dark Gaia.
I am absolutely loving this game. If Shadow's side is any indication I'd say the next Sonic game could easily become one of my favorites, because I had a blast with it. I haven't finished Sonic's side yet, but so far I do agree the rewrite is very odd. Some parts I like - Tails mentioning West Side Island at Chemical Plant sounds natural to me, but Sonic mentioning the Time Stones feels kinda forced. And so far there's been other points where the dialogue doesn't feel right, and feels changed just to say it was changed. Also the Amy jokes were funny and while I get that Amy's personality was practically entirely revolved around Sonic back then, it kinda feels like a bit of the game's personality was taken with the change. I personally found those moments funny, and now those cute funny bits of visual humor just aren't there anymore. Kind of a bummer. All that said though, I have no real complaints about Shadow's story or the dialogue in it. All around solid stuff. Corny, sure, but I've always been endeared to Sonic stories in part Because of how corny they are - if it's not a cheesy attempt at being serious or cool, I generally would rather something intentionally silly, like Colors. But it's very cheesy at times - the take down of the final boss in particular has had me laughing, like, all week. In fact, I'd say the cutscenes in particular are standouts - they're very fun and incredibly nice to look at. A major step up from Frontiers, I think. Lastly, I didn't know where to put this, but I have been very impressed by Omochao's voice? For some reason? idk I just think the VA did a fantastic job with Omochao. I think this is Omochao's first spoken role since OG Gens so it's been a while. But yeah this game rocks, 20 out of 6
Omochao actually had a speaking role in the game Team Sonic Racing that came out 5 years ago, and that was when some of the characters had their voices changed. In the OG Sonic Generations, Omochao, along with Blaze were both voiced by Laura Bailey, but as of Team Sonic Racing, they’re both voiced by Erica Lindbeck.
“This game sucks I learned nothing about life and society” Me- GOTTA GO FAST! Are we really going the movie way of finding the titanic in every thing we play? Really? The hell does Mario teach us? Crash bandicoot? Oh no wait you thinking god of war. The last of us. Fucking tell tale games. Disgusting.
The redub and retconing of Amy's character in a past game as well as the censorship with Rouge, is making me worried for future remakes. I just want a game prettied up and some glitches fixed otherwise i want all the cringe intact, and the old voices. Although 06 would definitely need a re-write.
I think it'd be cool to see a sonic x blaze unleashed. Unleashed is the first game to introduce the boost to the main series like Rush did with the handheld. The dark Gaia event could impact the sol dimension and have blaze try and do something in her world that helps sonic in his or something similar, she would even have to play any different, and just like shadow they are counterparts
Honestly, I think I prefer the rewrite. What can I say? I never liked how Amy was portrayed in the original version of Sonic Generations, so seeing them tweak her scenes a little bit was refreshing. I still wouldn’t call the new story “good” but I think it is better than the original. at least addressed the issue of how Modern Sonic doesn’t remember getting sent to white space and meeting his future counterpart as classic sonic by implying that when the timeline fixed itself and classic sonic returns home, he forgets all about this adventure. That detail always bugged me, especially later on with Sonic Forces. I agree they didn’t exactly do a great job translating this new re-dub seeing as a lot of the animations look very awkward with the new dialogue, but with full honesty, I can say I definitely prefer the new one.
partially correct. Hedgehog Engine is a general game development toolkit, but a big focus of it was making pixar-esque graphics originially. Sonic Colors uses hedgehog engine for some database related things for example.
@@KevonPearson There's a GDC about hedgehog engine and how it's not just a rendering engine but a general game development toolkit. If it were just a lighting engine, why would puyo puyo tetris 2 use it?
Imo, yeah the rewrites for Sonic Generations wasnt necessary. But at the same time, 10 years ago yall didnt give af about the dialogue and story. So why care now?
@@newdawnhorizon9879 Obviously Sonic MENTIONED the Time Stones because that's the only way he knows you can time travel. Obviously he cant bring up 06 because well that timeline doesnt exist. All he didnt was just correlate them jumping through but mentioning his knowlege on the stones. Because that's his only way of knowing about time travel. Like I said, the rewrites wasnt necessary. But yall didnt care for the dialogue or story then so WHY GIVE ASF NOW!
I’m pretty sure Ian was forced to rewrite generations writing from sega, since a lot of the animations are still the same from the old gen’s, meaning that this could of been somewhat last minute or when Ian didn’t want to try and make that story new
The precedent this Generations rewrite sets for future remakes/remasters is worrying. Not only that, but this Generations Port is way buggier than the original yet no ones talking about that.
9:12 I’m no smart guy myself, but I feel I have come up with two reasons as to why they didn’t use the Sonic model from Sonic Generations. Either it didn’t work with Hedgehog Engine 2 well or it had proportions that are different to the character models they use now for the current engine. Of course these are just guesses, I have no idea how making a game or 3D models work, someone else tell me if I’m being even stupider in the replies.
If they do make a SONIC UNLEASHED remaster and slap another game/side story onto it, as much as I would love to see Shadow Unleashed (Shadow is my favorite character in the franchise after all) I think it would be pretty interesting to see a KNUCKLES UNLEASHED. The brawling/slower platform gameplay style of a Were-Echidna would be quite fitting given that knuckles has always been portrayed as a powerful brawler. And knuckles is completely absent during the original game so you could have an adventure set solely on Angel Island, and see how Knuckles and the ancient temples/spirits are dealing with the Dark Gaia energy affecting the world. Imagine if Dark Gaia’s influence somehow effects Tikal/Chaos or the ghosts in Sandopolis
being honest here generations cutscenes were ALWAYS awkward. half of them don’t even have proper music LMAO. i think the changes with amy are a tad weird but they aren’t exactly a huge problem. also uh. time eater is not the reason doom’s back. and gerald being helped by the black arms was always a thing. i dunno if you knew the latter, you kinda phrased it weird in the video. definetely understand the concerns towards an unleashed remaster though.
Alright I NEED to play Shadow gens, I looooooved the demo of Sonic gens back in the day (remember those LOL) and loved it but never got to play it, so having that in my hands as well would be really nice too
Not to go off topic, good review by the way!! But Sega better NOT re write Sonic Unleashed's story! I agree, Jason as Sonic is at his best! He's personally not my favorite, but I do love his performance in Unleashed! The story isn't perfect, but it's still good! Sonic Generations' plot is so lack luster, the story was the weakest. Even in the original. Things just happen. So when they re write the story for Generations, it just got worse anyway lol so whatever. Still a good game, but the story was nothing. Unleashed is great! I don't see updates to be added in. Aside from higher resolution, they can change the controls to mash with Frontiers. Much like how they did with Sonic X Shadow Generations. And no, Shadow isn't really necessary in Unleashed. Nor Knuckles or anybody else. Tails, Amy, Professor Pickle and newcomer Chip, are the only ally's Sonic needs in Unleashed. Even though Amy doesn't really do anything lol I still don't mind her being there. If it ain't broke, DON'T fix it!
I would rate Shadow Generations 9 out of 10 There is more that I wanna see in the new Shadow game this 2024. I feel like Shadow Generations should have 7 to 9 stages that are not dlc. Stages that are already there since day 1. I like all the stages that Sega have put in the game (Space Colony Ark, Rail Canyon, Kingdom Valley, Sunset Heights, Chaos Island and Radical Highway) but it is not enough. They should have include at least one stage from Shadow the Hedgehog 2005 so because of that, it could make sense and Shadow generations game can have at least 7 to 9 stages total that are not dlc. The perfect stage is Black Comet. When the player gets to the Shadow the Hedgehog 2005 stage in Shadow Generations, I hope they let Shadow use a gun or any weapon as an option while doing the stage. Like Sonic Generations, they should have included rival battles in the new game of Shadow. The perfect rivals are Emerl and Infinite. They should have combined the acts 1 and 2 of Dusty Dessert in the Mephiles boss fight so we can see what will the upgraded version of Dusty Dessert look like in Shadow Generations. Sad to say that Final Fortress did not have any stage on that game so because of that I wanna see Final Fortress as a dlc stage. Both Acts 1 and 2. If all of this are included in Shadow Generations, I would rate the game 9.5 or perfect score.
Ian Flynn did stated that he wanted the writing of the story to be as more cohesive as possible, however he has to work under certain guidelines given by Sonic Team themselves, cause they have the final says so. So, apparently Ian Flynn didn't have full control of the writing so that he could do whatever he wants, but he has to work under those guidelines and circumstances given by the higher-ups.
I mean yeah, that's usually how it is with a vast majority of projects. X is bad because Y had restrictions from Z. But at the end of the day, we have a finished product. And it just so happens that the finished product (script) isn't good.
I completely agree The story rewrite was completely unnecessary for generations I think the community is pretty much split on the rewrite some people like it and others don’t which is fine It’s good to have your own opinion as for me I just don’t like it They could’ve just kept it the way it was originally the rewrite really wasn’t necessary
Gotta Be Honest...After Watching This Video, & How There's A Potential For This To Happen, I Now Really Hope Sonic Unleashed DOESN'T Get Remastered, Or Even Ported For That Matter. The Game As It Still Is Today, Is The Masterpiece I Will Forever Love & Cherish. It Continues To Remain, As My All-Time Favorite Sonic/Video Game.
I feel like Sonic Generations remastered in Sonic X Shadow Generations is not even remastered at all. The new remastered game should have been remastered. What I see from the new remastered game is Sonic generations remastered is not even remastered at all. Based on my observation, it’s like rerelease game with some rewritten and adding few parts.
Ive tried my best to like the rewriting on sonic gens but i cant bring my self to, ALOT of it is just unnecessary and honestly feels kinda like a waste of time, especially if they're not going to put in effort to atleast re animate existing scenes, but oh, lets add drop dash just because.
The story sucked anyway, should have done a remake instead of a remaster. Shadow's story is proof that there was a way to redo the game's entire story.
I think that Sonic Unleashed will definitely get a remaster in the future. You could definitely play Sonic Unleashed, but you have an Xbox One or Xbox Series consoles or PC. It never made it to other platforms like the PS4, PS5, or Nintendo Switch. Maybe Sonic Unleashed will probably uses the same Hedgehog engine like with Sonic Gens, but I’m concerned on how would it turn out if it gets announced and released. Tho only thing I could see in a Sonic Unleashed remaster is if they add another story after Unleashed, but in a setting like Sonic Frontiers. Also, they could fix certain issues that was present in the original game and make it better and more accessible for new players. As far as Sonic X Shadow Generations, I heard that Shadow Gens is great and it’s getting positive reviews all across the internet. I definitely see Shadow Gens becoming a game for speed runners. I remember playing Sonic Gens on the Xbox 360 back in the day and I’ve enjoyed it. It’s really great that new players are experiencing this game for the 1st time nowadays. What I’ve noticed that Nintendo audiences hasn’t experienced the console version before when Sonic Generations 1st released in 2011. It releases on the 3DS, but the gameplay is different compared to the console version. I hope that anyone plans on getting Sonic X Shadow Generations for this holiday season are in for a treat. This is a great way to reintroduce Shadow The Hedgehog to new audiences and to hope up for the upcoming Sonic movie 3 coming out next month.
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Black doom didn't return because of the time eater. He never died during his invasion on earth during "Shadow the hedgehog (2005)" he was "resurrected" via a death leech that was on the ark.
Ahhhhh cheat codes, I see I see
@@ShempOfficial It's actually a smart way for him to return, who knows, he couldd still be alive after the events of the time eater.
@@ShempOfficial the time eater explanation is a cheat code. This is more like an extra life.
Me looking for a thematic reason for radical highway’s return: “Well clearly this is symbolically showing how far has come since his first appearance. Black Doom keeps reminding shadow of a location where he pledged his desire to take his revenge out on mankind, naturally bringing up bad memories. Doom wants shadow to give into his destructive rage so he can take control of Shadow’s mind as he fully gives in to his violent alien side, but despite being reminded of his past, shadow hold onto his conviction and defies Black Doom.”
Me looking for a funny answer: “Black Doom just really fucking loves Radical Highway and is pissed that he couldn’t have been around to watch Shadow traverse the area. So he’s trying to make up for last time.”
Tbh I couldn’t care less about writing changes for a story that is way below mediocre anyway. There is literally no other reason to play sonic generations other than the gameplay and music.
With Generations, the script was one of the most criticized aspects of the game, so it's not really surprising why they rewrote it. With Unleashed everyone loves the story.
I would worry about the werehog tho.
Wdym the script was the most criticised??
@@ataladin87 I mean it was the one thing everyone was complaining about
@@AllardRT WHY!??
Sonic never talks in 2011 Generations, Sonic talks in 2024 Generations (The rescue part.)
@kenrichgumanid9235 Modern Sonic isn't that much of a talkative folk.
I feel like he kept taking him to Radical Highway because when he originally went through the stage, he was set on vengeance to avenge Maria because he thought that's what she would've wanted. Maybe Black Doom was trying to get him to try to take vengeance on, well himself by getting stronger through his doom powers. Which said doom powers make Black Doom stronger too. Or he could just really like Radical Highway😂.
I mean, it is a pretty radical highway...
@NarrowSpark96 And Vengeance is definitely his...
Bro he REALLY likes redical highway
@ShempOfficial I wouldn't know since I haven't played the game yet. I pre-ordered the digital deluxe edition and don't have enough time to play it😭🤌🏾.
You would love Jehtt's video parody on this, actually lmao Black Doom is a Radical Highway fanboy...err.. Alien... Deity.. whatever 😂
If they are gonna re-dub Unleashed, I really hope they just get the original cast, cuz for as story driven as Unleashed is compared to Gens, having the newer VA would just feel a little too jarring
Not opposed to the new cast re-dubbing it, but man it feels like some of the magic is lost.
While I didn’t mind most of the rewritten dialogue in Sonic Generations (I actually prefer the newer Amy over the old), some of the changes felt unnecessary. I prefer the Knuckles fat shaming Classic Sonic joke.
As for Shadow Generations, I honestly couldn’t ask for anything better. It’s just so good.
New Amy is a generic modern day girl now she used to be batshit crazy but that was part of her character that got completely stripped.
Amy is not some “generic modern day girl” now. She’s no longer the annoying brat her fans/defenders pretended she wasn’t.
@@EWOODJ sonic fans really wanna gaslight people into thinking they didn't hate that amy was nearly constantly portrayed as an annoying obsessive stalker lol.
Yes she had some good moments but that's literally only in SA1 and 2.
Bring up heroes, riders, battle and flipping fold lol.
@@richardPatterson-d2x Sonic Fans when the unlikeable annoying stalker becomes a normal character even though they asked for that to happen:
Amen gamer
9:37 for this part Gerald and black doom meet cus Gerald found black dooms comet and came in contact with it and black doom. Gerald wanted doom to help him with creating shadow in hopes to make him a success unlike the biolizard
But like.... they didn't say that 💀
@ in the shadow spinoff game they did
Honestly, the Sonic Generations rewrites didn't bother me all that much, they just felt very unnecessary. Same goes for the animation changes. The game is still one of the best Sonic games of all time eater. As for Shadow Generations, that's now also one of the best Sonic games. Probably somewhere in my top 10 favorite Sonic games. Honestly unlike Sonic Gens, Shadow Gens has no moments for me where I go "ugh, this part!" whereas Sonic Gens has Planet Wisp and the Time Eater boss (with the way you have to defeat him). Shadow Gens is an amazing game that blew me away.
As for a Sonic Unleashed remaster; they'll probably redub the game to stay consistent with their re-releases, but idk for sure. I think enough people are complaining about the Sonic Gens rewrites to the point where SEGA may go "yeah, maybe we shouldn't change this as much or at all". And I'm not sure if Shadow will be in the game or not. I think Shadow being added this time was a way to reintroduce the character to modern audiences, but also to promote the Sonic 3 movie. We'll have to see what they do in the future.
Ye ye valid
Yeah, I can see them adding Shadow into more new games but I recall they said in an interview that the special treatment Shadow is getting this year shouldn't be expected in the years to come. They're going to keep using him for new things, since there's never been a better reminder of how much bank Shadow can make, but I wouldn't expect Shadow side stories in future remasters or remakes.
the remaster is unfaithful to the original. regardless of how much people like to hate on gens story , it served it's purpose and is just light-hearted fun. it's what the cover conveys ; just two sonics having having a blast , celebrating the franchises history. the stakes don't need to be high, there doesn't need to be loads of unnecessary exposition , and especially rewriting one of the most iconic characters to fit some other games narrative because jokes aren't allowed anymore. even if they're minor changes they're still extremely concerning for future remasters.
at this point i just want an unleashed port. no hedgehog engine 2 , no silver DLC , no ian flynn writing , no patches no changes to the original. the game already looks gorgeous in 2024.
Great prediction! When will people learn that actions have consequences?
12:08 Black knight was Jason's best performance as he really sounded natural but he was great in unleashed too
Black Knight was made and happened after Unleashed so this tracks
I'll have to see these cutscenes then!
7:40 I think that they changed that cutscene not for Amy but for Knuckles. Dude had a really rough time in the meta era and putting a little bit of respect on him as oppose to a one of comedy bit was kinda nice. Still unneeded in the grand scheme of things but I appreciate it for what they meant it for.
I completely agree. The rewrite is very unnecessary and to be honest, it's worse than the original writing. I wish they would have made some more visual improvements to Sonic Generations instead of rewriting the dialogue.
Yep I agree
Worse than the original is crazy
You’re telling me Pontac and Graff’s writing was better?
I'm sorry, but ain't no way you said that the same people who made Sonic Lost World's story had better writing than the person who literally made Shadow Generations story
@@mr.hayaibear I literally didn't say that.
I just said I like the original gens writing better than the rewrite
Soo this Generations port is...well a port. But it's based on the PS3. Why? No one knows. We're speculating probably because Devils Details who did the original PC port shut down
They actually had to fix alot of stuff that devils details fixed for the PC port originally in their own Weird way, it's mostly good tho
I'm assuming the PS3 version was a bit more stable than the 360 version. I know Sonic Team had a specific fascination with the PS3, considering Unleashed is uncapped and Gens is very stable.
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We're very happy to hear someone else call it Sonic Cross Shadow Generations.
Amy pushing Knuckles into the tree was always stupid. It. Is *NOT.* Funny.
I still hate she puts her hand in his face.
Yeah people hated it because it made him look weak and kinda like a joke.
At least the new one makes him seem kinda impressed she pushed him away .
It's just cartoonish slap stick, stop taking it so seriously.
Bro I love red
Fools, it was meant as a gag.
@@ataladin87 Obviously yeah, still not a funny one though.
i pronounce it "Sonic Times Shadow Generations"
What i believe Sega should do is have a different mode. One where the original Story is intact with the original voice actors while the remaster is the new dialogue
I'm really worried that an incoming Unleashed Remaster will change everything we've come to love about that game. Let's be honest with the precedent they've now set there's no way they don't try to redub/rewrite the story to keep the characters in line with how they're written now or substantially change the Werehog to be more casual friendly
The werehog’s problem isn’t that it’s a difficult playstyle, it’s just that it’s not very good or fun. It’s a very subpar action combat game
I feel the only changes unleashed really needs is to get rid of the combat stat for the werehog and give him his full kit from the get go, and lower the level 7 sun medal requirement from 120 to 100.
@@jackhumphries1087 I think they should just make the sun medals optional altogether. It doesn't work very well for casual players, and forces you to *grind.* ***In a Sonic game.***
I think it's fun :(
Oh absolutely the Sun and Moon Medals need a huge re-work. Agreed there.
I mean i get it about the rewrite story still I didn't mind about rewrite stuff and I didn't mind the references too because this is sonic generations we are talking here it's about anniversary about this franchise of course it has reference and the story is not really that deep like shadow generations does
Yeah exactly
And worst of all, they changed the OG voice acting
Colleen O'Shaughnessey replaces Kate Higgins as Classic and Modern Tails.
Dave B. Mitchell replaces Travis Willingham as Knuckles.
Matthew Mercer replaces Troy Baker as Espio.
Erica Lindbeck replaces Laura Bailey as Blaze and Omochao.
Bryce Papenbrook replaces Quinton Flynn as Silver.
I wish they didn't do that. Hell beside on Silver, Blaze, and Espio. I wish they bring back
Kate Higgins as Tails, Travis Willingham as Knuckles, and Laura Bailey as Omochao.
Actually, that's a good point. I completely forgot the cast is different.
I'm assuming now it was done to not pay royalties.
Bad reception leds to changing cast to make it "better" causing inconsistencies. (I'm looking at you, No Way Home)
Black doom was not related to time eater, he apparently can rebuild his body making him a kinda imortal being and they say very clearly that the Black Arms can comeback someday again meaning that yes Black Doom is not dead at the end of shadow generations probably leaving a door if they want to bring him back again being a villain in a future game which kinda makes sense if you think they said that they might want to do more shadow games in the future if this one was well received and i think is pretty clear what answer to the reception we got, sincerely i just hope they dont go a sonic generations route and dont give this game level DLCs, like where are those Shadow 05 levels at
I don’t think an unleashed remaster will have any rewrites, after all generations only had rewrites because of the community primarily criticizing the story. If anything the werehog would likely be changed to have smoother controls, a training mode like a devil may cry 5, and just any potential quality of life changes for the werehog. But if we are getting something like sonic x shadow gens with a new story that takes place simultaneously as the original one, I’d like to see silver and blaze be the main subjects of it. Maybe it could take place in the sol dimension or future with them fixing the shattered world and beating dark Gaia.
I am absolutely loving this game. If Shadow's side is any indication I'd say the next Sonic game could easily become one of my favorites, because I had a blast with it.
I haven't finished Sonic's side yet, but so far I do agree the rewrite is very odd. Some parts I like - Tails mentioning West Side Island at Chemical Plant sounds natural to me, but Sonic mentioning the Time Stones feels kinda forced. And so far there's been other points where the dialogue doesn't feel right, and feels changed just to say it was changed.
Also the Amy jokes were funny and while I get that Amy's personality was practically entirely revolved around Sonic back then, it kinda feels like a bit of the game's personality was taken with the change. I personally found those moments funny, and now those cute funny bits of visual humor just aren't there anymore. Kind of a bummer.
All that said though, I have no real complaints about Shadow's story or the dialogue in it. All around solid stuff. Corny, sure, but I've always been endeared to Sonic stories in part Because of how corny they are - if it's not a cheesy attempt at being serious or cool, I generally would rather something intentionally silly, like Colors. But it's very cheesy at times - the take down of the final boss in particular has had me laughing, like, all week. In fact, I'd say the cutscenes in particular are standouts - they're very fun and incredibly nice to look at. A major step up from Frontiers, I think.
Lastly, I didn't know where to put this, but I have been very impressed by Omochao's voice? For some reason? idk I just think the VA did a fantastic job with Omochao. I think this is Omochao's first spoken role since OG Gens so it's been a while.
But yeah this game rocks, 20 out of 6
Omochao actually had a speaking role in the game Team Sonic Racing that came out 5 years ago, and that was when some of the characters had their voices changed. In the OG Sonic Generations, Omochao, along with Blaze were both voiced by Laura Bailey, but as of Team Sonic Racing, they’re both voiced by Erica Lindbeck.
@SonicAndre2 ah! Neat! I don't have much interest in team racers so i guess i didn't bother snagging that one. Thanks for the info!
9:21 because the shadow story is using engine 2 instead of engine 1
“This game sucks I learned nothing about life and society”
Me- GOTTA GO FAST!
Are we really going the movie way of finding the titanic in every thing we play? Really? The hell does Mario teach us? Crash bandicoot? Oh no wait you thinking god of war. The last of us. Fucking tell tale games. Disgusting.
Yeah
The only thing god of war and telltale games have in common is their cutscenes
The redub and retconing of Amy's character in a past game as well as the censorship with Rouge, is making me worried for future remakes.
I just want a game prettied up and some glitches fixed otherwise i want all the cringe intact, and the old voices. Although 06 would definitely need a re-write.
06 remake would be sick
I think it'd be cool to see a sonic x blaze unleashed. Unleashed is the first game to introduce the boost to the main series like Rush did with the handheld. The dark Gaia event could impact the sol dimension and have blaze try and do something in her world that helps sonic in his or something similar, she would even have to play any different, and just like shadow they are counterparts
Bro Blaze having a mainline game would be insane
Honestly, I think I prefer the rewrite.
What can I say? I never liked how Amy was portrayed in the original version of Sonic Generations, so seeing them tweak her scenes a little bit was refreshing. I still wouldn’t call the new story “good” but I think it is better than the original. at least addressed the issue of how Modern Sonic doesn’t remember getting sent to white space and meeting his future counterpart as classic sonic by implying that when the timeline fixed itself and classic sonic returns home, he forgets all about this adventure. That detail always bugged me, especially later on with Sonic Forces.
I agree they didn’t exactly do a great job translating this new re-dub seeing as a lot of the animations look very awkward with the new dialogue, but with full honesty, I can say I definitely prefer the new one.
i fucking LOOVE radical highway
THAT'S WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYIN'!
The hedgehog engine is a lighting engine. You meant to say that sonic gens is on havok, and shadow gens is on bullet engine
Question. How do ya think hedgehog engine 2 graphics would look on a Havok Sonic game? Like unleashed or generations?
Also tbh, Bullet engine is kinda ok but still could very much use improvements
partially correct. Hedgehog Engine is a general game development toolkit, but a big focus of it was making pixar-esque graphics originially. Sonic Colors uses hedgehog engine for some database related things for example.
@@stanzacosmi What if Colors or unlesshed use the same graphics and lightning as in Shadow gens or frontiers did?
@@KevonPearson There's a GDC about hedgehog engine and how it's not just a rendering engine but a general game development toolkit. If it were just a lighting engine, why would puyo puyo tetris 2 use it?
Imo, yeah the rewrites for Sonic Generations wasnt necessary. But at the same time, 10 years ago yall didnt give af about the dialogue and story. So why care now?
Why would Sonic mention the time stones? He used the poles to time travel in CD
@Awesomefighter6 Because Eggman had them.......and he knew that Eggman was using them in CD
@@wijinsamathe time stones didn't even matter
@@newdawnhorizon9879 Obviously Sonic MENTIONED the Time Stones because that's the only way he knows you can time travel. Obviously he cant bring up 06 because well that timeline doesnt exist. All he didnt was just correlate them jumping through but mentioning his knowlege on the stones. Because that's his only way of knowing about time travel. Like I said, the rewrites wasnt necessary. But yall didnt care for the dialogue or story then so WHY GIVE ASF NOW!
Hopefully sega does a sonic unleashed remaster with a knuckles or silver side story
Silver would be so fire
You want to know something else? The game doesn't turn your switch into an oven 😂
SWITCH OWNERS ARE EATING GOOD THEN
I’m pretty sure Ian was forced to rewrite generations writing from sega, since a lot of the animations are still the same from the old gen’s, meaning that this could of been somewhat last minute or when Ian didn’t want to try and make that story new
From what I recall, I believe Ian was requested to do re-writes.
The precedent this Generations rewrite sets for future remakes/remasters is worrying. Not only that, but this Generations Port is way buggier than the original yet no ones talking about that.
Actually a lot of the glitches people are talking about were already in OG gens.
@@jackhumphries1087 Hmm maybe the “Remaster” should’ve fixed them. 🤔
@@Terminal_Apotos they probably didn’t want to touch much of anything in OG gens coding-wise after what happened with sonic colors ultimate.
@@jackhumphries1087 That’s very smart of them, avoid making a buggy game by… leaving it buggy?
9:12 I’m no smart guy myself, but I feel I have come up with two reasons as to why they didn’t use the Sonic model from Sonic Generations. Either it didn’t work with Hedgehog Engine 2 well or it had proportions that are different to the character models they use now for the current engine.
Of course these are just guesses, I have no idea how making a game or 3D models work, someone else tell me if I’m being even stupider in the replies.
Nah that makes sense! Since the current models are MUCH more expressive!
If they do make a SONIC UNLEASHED remaster and slap another game/side story onto it, as much as I would love to see Shadow Unleashed (Shadow is my favorite character in the franchise after all) I think it would be pretty interesting to see a KNUCKLES UNLEASHED.
The brawling/slower platform gameplay style of a Were-Echidna would be quite fitting given that knuckles has always been portrayed as a powerful brawler. And knuckles is completely absent during the original game so you could have an adventure set solely on Angel Island, and see how Knuckles and the ancient temples/spirits are dealing with the Dark Gaia energy affecting the world.
Imagine if Dark Gaia’s influence somehow effects Tikal/Chaos or the ghosts in Sandopolis
being honest here generations cutscenes were ALWAYS awkward. half of them don’t even have proper music LMAO. i think the changes with amy are a tad weird but they aren’t exactly a huge problem. also uh. time eater is not the reason doom’s back. and gerald being helped by the black arms was always a thing. i dunno if you knew the latter, you kinda phrased it weird in the video. definetely understand the concerns towards an unleashed remaster though.
Alright I NEED to play Shadow gens, I looooooved the demo of Sonic gens back in the day (remember those LOL) and loved it but never got to play it, so having that in my hands as well would be really nice too
Not to go off topic, good review by the way!!
But Sega better NOT re write Sonic Unleashed's story! I agree, Jason as Sonic is at his best! He's personally not my favorite, but I do love his performance in Unleashed! The story isn't perfect, but it's still good! Sonic Generations' plot is so lack luster, the story was the weakest. Even in the original. Things just happen. So when they re write the story for Generations, it just got worse anyway lol so whatever. Still a good game, but the story was nothing. Unleashed is great! I don't see updates to be added in. Aside from higher resolution, they can change the controls to mash with Frontiers. Much like how they did with Sonic X Shadow Generations. And no, Shadow isn't really necessary in Unleashed. Nor Knuckles or anybody else. Tails, Amy, Professor Pickle and newcomer Chip, are the only ally's Sonic needs in Unleashed. Even though Amy doesn't really do anything lol I still don't mind her being there. If it ain't broke, DON'T fix it!
I feel like if they do an Unleashed remaster with new content, it could be with Silver, it could take place in the future when dark Gaia awakens again
Ayyyyyyyyyyyyy that's not a bad shout!
I would rate Shadow Generations 9 out of 10 There is more that I wanna see in the new Shadow game this 2024. I feel like Shadow Generations should have 7 to 9 stages that are not dlc. Stages that are already there since day 1. I like all the stages that Sega have put in the game (Space Colony Ark, Rail Canyon, Kingdom Valley, Sunset Heights, Chaos Island and Radical Highway) but it is not enough. They should have include at least one stage from Shadow the Hedgehog 2005 so because of that, it could make sense and Shadow generations game can have at least 7 to 9 stages total that are not dlc. The perfect stage is Black Comet. When the player gets to the Shadow the Hedgehog 2005 stage in Shadow Generations, I hope they let Shadow use a gun or any weapon as an option while doing the stage. Like Sonic Generations, they should have included rival battles in the new game of Shadow. The perfect rivals are Emerl and Infinite. They should have combined the acts 1 and 2 of Dusty Dessert in the Mephiles boss fight so we can see what will the upgraded version of Dusty Dessert look like in Shadow Generations. Sad to say that Final Fortress did not have any stage on that game so because of that I wanna see Final Fortress as a dlc stage. Both Acts 1 and 2. If all of this are included in Shadow Generations, I would rate the game 9.5 or perfect score.
Ian Flynn did stated that he wanted the writing of the story to be as more cohesive as possible, however he has to work under certain guidelines given by Sonic Team themselves, cause they have the final says so. So, apparently Ian Flynn didn't have full control of the writing so that he could do whatever he wants, but he has to work under those guidelines and circumstances given by the higher-ups.
I mean yeah, that's usually how it is with a vast majority of projects. X is bad because Y had restrictions from Z. But at the end of the day, we have a finished product. And it just so happens that the finished product (script) isn't good.
No shit sherlock thats how writing a story under a corperation works.
Thats nothing new 😂
I completely agree The story rewrite was completely unnecessary for generations I think the community is pretty much split on the rewrite some people like it and others don’t which is fine It’s good to have your own opinion as for me I just don’t like it They could’ve just kept it the way it was originally the rewrite really wasn’t necessary
I didn't know people liked them LOL
Gotta Be Honest...After Watching This Video, & How There's A Potential For This To Happen, I Now Really Hope Sonic Unleashed DOESN'T Get Remastered, Or Even Ported For That Matter.
The Game As It Still Is Today, Is The Masterpiece I Will Forever Love & Cherish. It Continues To Remain, As My All-Time Favorite Sonic/Video Game.
My top 3 sonic games
Sonic unleashed
Sonic heroes
Sonic generations.
Give me remasters of those last 2 games and im set.🙏🙏
Amen gamer!
I feel like Sonic Generations remastered in Sonic X Shadow Generations is not even remastered at all. The new remastered game should have been remastered. What I see from the new remastered game is Sonic generations remastered is not even remastered at all. Based on my observation, it’s like rerelease game with some rewritten and adding few parts.
That's false advertising.
Ive tried my best to like the rewriting on sonic gens but i cant bring my self to, ALOT of it is just unnecessary and honestly feels kinda like a waste of time, especially if they're not going to put in effort to atleast re animate existing scenes, but oh, lets add drop dash just because.
Shadow sells because people like Mattie exist
Duuuuuuuude TRUUUUUE!
Who is mattie?
Yeah don’t really play Sonic games for story. The gameplay is first and the story an afterthought,though I did enjoy the story in the Adventure games.
Gens was ported to hedgehog engine 2 but it looks mild as the textures are the same
Excellent video essay aside, can we get a track list of them banger songs you've got in the background, please? 👀
The story sucked anyway, should have done a remake instead of a remaster.
Shadow's story is proof that there was a way to redo the game's entire story.
I agree mr Shemp
Aw dude
I think that Sonic Unleashed will definitely get a remaster in the future. You could definitely play Sonic Unleashed, but you have an Xbox One or Xbox Series consoles or PC. It never made it to other platforms like the PS4, PS5, or Nintendo Switch. Maybe Sonic Unleashed will probably uses the same Hedgehog engine like with Sonic Gens, but I’m concerned on how would it turn out if it gets announced and released. Tho only thing I could see in a Sonic Unleashed remaster is if they add another story after Unleashed, but in a setting like Sonic Frontiers. Also, they could fix certain issues that was present in the original game and make it better and more accessible for new players. As far as Sonic X Shadow Generations, I heard that Shadow Gens is great and it’s getting positive reviews all across the internet. I definitely see Shadow Gens becoming a game for speed runners. I remember playing Sonic Gens on the Xbox 360 back in the day and I’ve enjoyed it. It’s really great that new players are experiencing this game for the 1st time nowadays. What I’ve noticed that Nintendo audiences hasn’t experienced the console version before when Sonic Generations 1st released in 2011. It releases on the 3DS, but the gameplay is different compared to the console version. I hope that anyone plans on getting Sonic X Shadow Generations for this holiday season are in for a treat. This is a great way to reintroduce Shadow The Hedgehog to new audiences and to hope up for the upcoming Sonic movie 3 coming out next month.
Ive been saying that the rewrites were always unnecessary, just to get.
*"but but the characters are more in characte!!"*
No they're not......
Amen gamer
Gens story was so bare bones anyway it's like comparing shit to dirt bith bad but id take the dirt
@iwuvtrees9568 *"Barebones"* isn't the case in gens, since we get what's happening, and so do the characters.