57:02 Let this part sink in. If he had a choice between using children and himself, Bondrewd would use himself for his experiments first, as he did when making his whistle. It's only because he can't that he uses others. He also quite literally cares about everyone, but he's completely lost any sense of morality as a result of repeatedly using the zoaholic. He loves all the children, including Reg, Riko, Nanachi, Mitty, and yes, Prushka. He just has no moral compass to tell him not to use them as guinea pigs.
I don't think the movie tries to excuse Bondrewd at all or to make you feel bad for him, it's just how Bondrewd is, he cares about people, but has no morals so he puts everything aside to reach scientific progress. this whole thing is just an experiment to him, no matter the outcome, he benefits, he learns something. Everything is Subarashi. It's also not like he would use someone unnecessarily, he only goes so far, because he himself is no longer regarded as a human by the abyss, he no longer has the WORTH of a human life. So he has to use others to support him by being sacrificed. The worth part will be a huge part of the second season...
I think what scares me about Bondrewd is there is no malice behind his evil actions. His compliments are genuine, and he never harms others out of spite, sadism, or anything. He is just so far removed from humanity that such emotions no longer apply to him.
Is like that one dude who will try out something unknown and die to lead the correct/safer way, inspire a lot of people who will follow clearing the next path, making a mass loss that will terrify the ones less brave enough but will be using the safe path while calling those who sacrifficed as crazies. I think that's how I can summarize it-
As far as I could tell, Bondrewd has always been genuine and sincere. He did love the children. And that makes this 100x more effed up. Genuine affection does not stop him from moving forward. After all, his first experiments were done on himself. It all makes him unnerving and probably one of the most terrifying antagonists in anime. On to season 2 we go! Hopefully we finally get the happy adventures we want from this anime.
But I think his love and affection was probably more of a "program" than genuine emotion. He really needed the kids to like him and love him so he probably read a bunch of parenting books to get the job done. And the children believed and loved him for it.
@@artboymoy the only issue with that theory is that in order for the blessing to work the love needs to go both ways. the fact that he got the blessing from those cartridges shows that he truly did genuinely love all the ones he was using. the thing is just that his thought process is alien. normal sane people can't really understand him, because his actions do not align with what a normal sane person would think of as love. it's better to think of him as an eldritch monstrosity rather than a human.
@@Eclipsed_Embers I agree with you on this. If someone can convince themselves of their own beliefs then it can become their truth. 'Signals' don't lie and while perhaps you can trick other people you can't trick an the true nature of the Abyss anymore then you can lie to the ocean that you can swim. If the love isn't real both ways, it doesn't matter how good you tricked the other person, the Abyss can tell the difference, and so the blessing can only be real if there was truly that connection.
@@Eclipsed_Embers It's a bit vague on how the blessing happens, but it all could just be one sided love that the being receiving the curse expresses because they're taking all of it and maybe their love for the other being grants them the blessing. So Bondrewd doesn't need to actually have the emotion of love. He created a strong enough bond with all the children, that to their eyes was love and since the children have normal emotions, they love for them both. That's just my interpretation. The life reverberating stone could probably be fashioned similarly. Riko and Prushka certainly had a bond in that short time but Riko didn't have to do anything. It was all Prushka's desire and I guess Mitty's desire as well. Self sacrifice for the one you love, I guess.
@@artboymoy There are heavy implications that it has to be both ways for the blessing, even Bondrewd seems to believe so. We know he did tests after Nanachi's 'success' because we know Nanachi helped him make the cartridges, seemingly a good number of them before events of the movie. SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER Below! S2 SPOILER. We can assume he knows this for a fact since Bondrewd used cartridges in the 6th layer to visit the village and return, and was not blessed; this is something we know for a fact because he is not blessed in the movie. So while he might not express 'love' in the normal way, he does care in the same way love would, just minus the empathy part. And we can assume that he must because the force field, the effects of how the Abyss functions, would know the difference. "Normal" cartridges can protect from the curses effects, but ones you have raised with love can give you the blessing. You could argue that the ones he used before were just random kids he just made before being friendly. And this might be true. But you'd be hard pressed to convince me that Bondrewd hadn't/wouldn't already have tested one way love after seeing Nanachi. Or alternatively, I'd argue Bondrewd perhaps always 'loved' or at least cared everyone he used for experiments before even deciding it was a requirement; simply because everything we have known him to do has been in trying to 'save humanity', he may care deeply for EVERYONE, but again because he lacks empathy it doesn't look like it from how he treats people. If that were the case, He'd be the one sided love and it would be truly earning the children's trust and love that would be the hard part holding it back. I don't think there is a 'love threshold' where if one person loves hard enough then you get the effects, it seems a mutual effort. In terms of the life reverberating stone, I believe that can be one way, and I don't even think love is a requirement at all necessarily, but rather true dedication. Someone who is obsessed with someone else could probably become one for the person they are obsessed with; while neither really loves each other truly. Becoming a reverberating stone seems more about giving yourself in service to another person. In Prushka's case its a bit more of a mutual thing I think, Prushka wants to help Riko fulfill her desire to go on adventures, but is also her friend. It probably just makes the connection stronger. Bondrewd could have hated himself when he became a white whistle for himself (which as a point, shows you don't even need two people for the reverberating stone, so can obviously be one-side by definition alone) and because he was dedicated to his own goals, it works. I'd like to know what Bondred's ritual for creating a white whistle is, because I'm willing to bet anything Riko and Prushka didn't follow it. As an additional S2 spoiler related consideration. I think the effects of the Blessing and Curse can be viewed as being closely related to the "wish granting egg" or their better more accurate name "Cradles of Desire". The experiment with Nanachi and Mitty to me seems a lot like an artificial, 2 person representation of what a Cradle of Desire does. Both Mitty and Nanachi achieved their 'wishes' in the moments of that experiment, and Bondrewd made sure to instill in them what was important for them to wish for before doing it, specifically Mitty. Mitty was told if she died then Nanachi would be hit by the curse, Mitty became immortal because she committed herself entirely to that purpose. Nanachi's wishes were also fulfilled, but they were deeper things she might not have even been fully aware of. Cradles of Desire work in a similar way in my mind.
Bondrewd is probably one of my favorite characters of all time, because he is really complicated. I'm sure its been mentioned by another comment by now, but in the process of using the zoaholic to transfer his mind he has lost his empathy, hes like a sociopath, but honestly with good 'intentions' even if it means doing bad things. Within this shows world he has done a lot to try and help humans make their way down deeper safely into the abyss. Gondolas, Bondrewd; that vaccine Habo gave Riko, Bondrewd; as well as many other things. And while these cartridges are awful, the end goal was to use a few lives for the betterment of more lives; while giving 'worthless' people a chance to benefit all of humanity, from his twisted perspective. It's worth saying, he NEVER lies. If you watch this movie again and take everything he says at face value, his sarcastic sounding compliments included. You can see him in a different light. Does this make what he does fine? No, but he is also a product of the Abyss, just as much as anyone else; consumed by his own desires and goals to the point of extremes because it became an obsession which he no longer has the morality to stop himself from pushing 'too far'. Who and what he is is both his own fault, and also the fault of the Abyss itself.
1:05:52 He remembers their names, what they were like, and their dreams for the future. It’s more like willing to sacrifice for what he thinks is the greater good. It’s a little different from "not caring", it’s caring and then choosing to betray later. 1:14:51 they have to love him or else they couldn’t take the curse of the abyss for him. That’s the conclusion he got from the experiment of Nanachi and Mitty. The result is the blessing of the abyss.
Well, it wasn't a "betrayal" Since he genuinely loved and cared about them. It was just necessary sacrifices for the sake if scientific progress. Yes, from our perspective he seems evil but, because of the artifact influence and constant cycles of "rebirth" his perception of the world is totally different from regular humans
Bondrewd is such a terrifying and interesting character. Probably one of the most inhuman antagonists just because of how foreign his thought process feels at times.
I am really not trying to sound edgy but how is it foreign? He's completely rational, just devoid of morality. You think like him really easily, just imagine yourself as the only being with feelings and you're good to go.
@@matejkacmar325 the thing is, just being rational with no morality would not explain some of his behaviors. -Such as how he can show genuine care to the kids that he’s treated so cruelly. -Or how he takes every set back in stride. Even if the setback is loss of equipment/ facility, loss of personnel/extra lives, being tricked and trapped, being injured/ being killed. He can take all of this and still have a mostly positive outlook on things, even going so far as to praise the ones setting him back. The only time he showed dissatisfaction was when he said Reg’s light was too dangerous. Point is, you’re not going to be able to achieve the same mindset as Bondrewd. You might be able to make a close imitation, but there will be fundamental elements missing. Because of that, saying that his thought process feels foreign at times feels appropriate.
the worst thing is that for the cartridges to work the kids and himself had to genuenly love each other his mind is so alien that he can love and be curios without having any concept of pain one of the best written villains I ever seen
Bondrewd is insane, but he did contribute to their adventure. He got things done. Nanachi learned medicine and anatomy from him, ultimatly saving Riko. He was planing to use Prushka to get the blessing, but also let her bond with Riko to get her the life reverberating stone too. 1:13:20 He planned it from the start. He would have helped Riko.
I think he just wanted to give Prushka a blessing through Rico in order to get another assistant. As an option, he could probably experiment with moving into Prushka's "blessed body". Because it would be dangerous to take such a risk himself otherwise - but he essentially had no choice when the trio escaped. Of course, it raises questions as to why it was necessary to cripple Reg (if he wanted to make Prushka and Rico friends for the sake of blessing), but this question remains even if he “wanted to help.”
@@МарияРаспопова-й5г I made another comment here that roughly breaks down that I don't think he planned to do what he did to Prushka during the events of this movie and that he in fact expected Riko and company to just go down to the 6th layer without much incident, he was expecting them to be there for the ritual. You should probably see that comment if you want to see what evidence I point to for this. In this I also kind of discredit the idea of him trying to help Riko by expecting Prushka to become a reverberating stone, and I don't think he expected that or knew that was happening until Prushka told him in that blessed body they were going to go on adventures together. But in regards to Bondrewd using himself; its of very little risk in the grand scheme of things. He can hop bodies to any of the Umbra Hands pretty easily. And he always wanted to experience it for himself. A lot of what he does he handles himself because he cant trust other people to do it right or do things that fulfill what he thinks is most important. His goals are grander then most peoples, he thinks hes doing work for the greater good of all humanity. If your point is more to say he could have used the zoaholic to hop himself into Prushka. Sure, maybe, but really that would probably have been more of a risk. Most people he uses it on are nearly brain-dead zombies only capable of simple tasks after the swap. Thats way they seem so weird and out of it. And there is no way to know how compatible a person is going to be until you do it. So doing it to Prushka wouldn't have been a guarantee her brain would even be functioning after the fact. By comparison, Gueira, the Umbra Hands member who goes out with Pruska, the one that ultimately becomes the blessed body for Bondrewd, was one that had been thoroughly vetted and was known to be resistant to the mind swaping process while also being decked out with relics. Its why he refers to him (that body) as a 'masterpiece' even before he was blessed. And its likely Gueira had been prepared as a body for a long time specifically for this task. At the end of the day, even if things went bad he could always 'try again' because whats another decade for him down in the 5th layer? But, as I mentioned in another comment, I don't THINK he is going to try again, not with the blessing thing at least.
@@МарияРаспопова-й5г No, the plan was always to use Prushka as a cartridge. That's why he needed to be absolutely 100% sure she loved him just as much as he loves her, otherwise it wouldn't work. If he was too hasty and she didn't fully reciprocate his love, she would be unable to grant the Blessing and would simply function as a way to ward off the Curse just like all the other cartridges. Getting killed by our group was the final test to make certain. It's possible that Prushka may have even known that she was going to "help Papa" by being made into a cartridge eventually, though probably not when.
Bondrewd isn't someone you should ever be concerned *for,* but just know that he does genuinely care for all of Humanity and his friends/family. THAT is what makes him such a monster, or, as our dear Ozen would say, such a scoundrel.
Remember that the curse of the abyss ONLY happens when you go up. Traveling around in the sixth layer is fine, it's only when you end up ascending that you will lose your humanity.
oh man the Ido-Front/Bondrewd arc is insane when reading it in the manga and the movie did an excellent job doing the whole arc. Bondrewd is one of the most compelling and interesting villains of anime/manga ever as we learn that he does have a sense of care for Prushka and almost everyone but the logic of good and evil doesn't ever really make his decisions on what he wants to do, all he cares about is the scientific progress of learning about the curse and the "blessing" I also like the quote "may your journey be overflowing with curses and blessings" as the entire journey of this whole story is and seeing Nanachi feeling sad at first gives the somewhat idea that Bondrewd is sort of the only father figure Nanachi has
Bondrewd is easily one of my all time favorite villains. Zero hatred or malice. Just a desire for scientific ambition dialed up to 200% with zero concerns for social taboos or constraints.
He clearly loved and cared for the kids, he even knew all their names. It's just that his experiments and wish for progress were as much as important, it's also implied that Zoaholic, the relic que uses to transfer his consciousness is the thing responsible for him being so detached and able to do the bad things he does to the kids.
Those kids were, in fact, inseparable from progress for him. Progress is something he could only achieve with their help and he cherishes each of their contributions. He's not detached at all.
Bondrewd helping Prushka become a white whistle can also be interpreted as an act of love, because it allows her to tag along on Riko and the team’s adventures like she wanted
What made Bondrewd intresting is because he actually cares and love all of the childrens deeply. As we see in the case of nanachi she was not disfigured and turned into like the others because of the love of Mitty. She turned into a hollow and can see the curse. Same as him he turned into a hollow because he truely loved puruska just like how nanavhi and mitty loved each other
Despite everything, Bondrewd does truly love Prushka and Nanachi, I think. They're his experiments, and the only thing he loves more than them is himself. Despite what he puts them through, he remembers every single person's name and the dreams they told him about, like the one girl who wanted to be a princess or Prushka who wanted to go on adventures.
14:12 Seems like you still doesn't understand the curse of the abyss, you don't get cursed just by moving there or entering the abyss, you get hit if you try to go up
Nah the story is absolutely not trying to push Bondrewd as any sort of good person in any way. The Zoaholic and his ambitions have fucked him up into this truly alien morality where he sees no evil from anyone, not even himself. You are right to say that he acts friendly and tragically, but you are wrong to think that you are supposed to take that at face value or as some sort of tragic character, he is a monster that Riko and co. decided not to kill simply because it seems that killing is something that Riko is very much against. Bondrewd no longer has a base, it is utterly destroyed and rid of power source, his combat capable Umbra Hands are not many and his plan is ruined until he can gather all that back up again to raise a child to make into a cartridge again, which I don't think is happening.
I mean the whole point is that you ARE infact supposed to take him at face value. Just that him being friendly doesn't mean he won't kill you if you stand in his way, whatever he does he completes with 100% of his might and sincerity.
You're right that he has a completely alien morality, but you _can_ take him at face value for the most part. He doesn't lie and holds no malice for anyone. The reason they didn't destroy Zoaholic is because Prushka doesn't want the people she cares about to fight anymore, not because Riko is against it personally. Prushka manages to communicate this to Riko and Riko obliges her. Bondrewd still has Ido Front (the ritual site actually heals itself over time), the hydroelectric generator will be back up and running eventually, and he may not even bother trying to reproduce what he did with Prushka since he confirmed his hypothesis about Blessed Narehate and experienced it firsthand.
@@BloodrealmX He doesn't lie by commission but he lies alot by omission. Like, Prushka is a sleep and i'll let er go later you, know, just ignoring to tell them that she's asleep in the cartridge and by letting her go later is he'll dump her cartridge later. Certainly not the spirit of the questions that she asks him.
Something else I don't think is a common perspective of Bondrewd, and this movie as a whole. Having watched this movie.... a LOT; I have long decided that I don't think Bondrewd was actually planning to use Prushka (at least just yet) during the events of this movie. Bondrewd mentions to Riko and Nanachi that he was fully under the impression that they were there to create a white whistle; meaning he thought they were there for the ritual, meaning he thought either Nanachi or Riko were there to turn themselves into a whistle for the other. Had that been the case, there would have been no need to fight or anything, they would have done the ritual and moved on and he would have continued on doing what your regular ol' Bondrewd's do in their natural enviroments. He tells Prushka when they are about to arrive that these people would 'help' him. In this case I believe what he was expecting was to use whatever 'thing' he does with Nanachi to see her vision to observe them as they went deeper after doing the ritual; this would have been plenty helpful to him. However, I believe his plans changed once he meet with them, told them the elevator needed a whistle and saw they were all surprised and no one suggested they were there for the ritual. Seeing then that Riko and Prushka were getting along he THEN saw the opportunity to change plans and still make use out of them being there. I actually don't even think he had plans to take Reg until determining they weren't there for the ritual. That being the case he probably expected he could get Nanachi to stick around and figured maybe Riko would be sent home to the surface. In that situation Reg would then a liability to leave in the upper layers so figured he'd better take him for himself. Finally, at the end he tells Nanachi that watching them carry on is his new aspiration. I think that was his original expectation to watch them go, but NOW after how things went, I don't think he wishes to do so himself anymore and sees it as passing the torch to the next generation. I suspect in his final moments with that body, when Prushka tells him they should get along because they will be going on adventures is when he knew she had become Riko's white whistle. And having finally gotten a chance to experience his fixation, becoming blessed, and seeing that their will to press on exceeds his own; he can just watch them do what he has never been able to. At the end of the day, Bondrewd is afraid to go much past Ido Front because he knows he can't come back. He doesn't think he can do what needs to be done in one trip so is trying to find a way to go back and forth, like how humans have always explored layers above. He saw every other white whistle going down as a suicide mission. But sees something in Riko's group that makes him believe they actually have a chance where he and others before did not, without coming back. He says quite a few things at the end that make me think this is his general perspective. I have seen a lot of comments on other reactions suggesting he's gonna start doing these experiments again, or about how he was always going to use Prushka. But this is my theory saying that I don't think that's exactly the case. We can't know for sure until the story or the writer tell us otherwise. But Bondrewd has a funny way of thinking about things, and I believe him when he tells us that his aspirations are to see THEM go on, I think he sees his part to play as being done; at least with making everyone lunchboxes for the journey anyway.
Speaking of the show getting worse and how to get food... At the end of the day, Riko and Bondrew aren't that different. They want to know what's at the bottom at the abyss and are ready to sacrifice themself for the greater good. Thing is, Bondrew is much more older, with more experience about this world than Riko could ever have. Those who are able to understand the abyss are those ready to push forward, no matter the cost. We know now that Lysa herself sacrificed someone she loved to get her white whistle. People seem to forget what Riko did to Reg the first time they met, she basically violated every human rights he might have possessed just because "he was just a robot and she wanted to learn more". She has a twisted mind because this world is twisted, whatever the abyss may be, whatever may lay at the end of it. People are drawn to it and, with time passing differently between the dephts and the surface, it's hard to really understand how long it's been for those person down there.
Made in abyss is so unique... I love all the emotions and mysteries in the story. I have a bad feeling this anime won't have a happy ending, but I am getting prepared for it. I love life/death themes, it is very strong for me.
In the end Bondrewd did nothing wrong. He helped Nanachi team to get to 6 layer and also fulfill his daughter wish to become a white whistle (literally) and go on an adventure with her friends, also helped him complete his research. Hitting 3 birds with one stone. Brilliant writing
That's what's so terrifying about Bondrewd He truly, genuinely loved Prushka, but was still willing to do what he did to her purely to satisfy his desire to learn about the Abyss and push humanity's limits What little "humanity" he even has left in him after all that time down there, like all the White Whistles Absolutely incredible writing
"purely to satisfy his desire to learn" That's part of what he loves her for, though. This was something that literally nobody but Prushka could help him achieve. It's even possible that she _knew_ that being a cartridge was what was going to eventually happen to her and she was okay with it. [Manga spoilers] She's certainly not upset about it after the fact. She doesn't even mention it during the next scene we actually get to talk with her in and she still loves her Papa and sings his praises.
The sad thing: As we learned in the first few episodes of season 1, a White Whistle (the object) only returns to the surface after a Last Dive when the diver has... passed away. (Or so the saying goes; Riko still believes her mother is alive despite that.) The only way Prushka will ever see a dawn is at the end of Riko's journey when she, too, has passed away.
That he recieved the blessing means that the love "his" children felt for him was mutual. He truly loved them, but he used that genuine love as a means to an end, since he is an inhuman monster that used himself as his own white whistle, whose conciousness is shunted from body to body, feeling true love for someone does not prevent him from archieving his goals and desires. His inhumanity is that true genuine reciprocated love is just a tool to him, it does not at all guide his actions or emotions, which is harrowing as it essentially touches upon something that humans otherwise only relate to the divine, only God is above love right? It is harrowing on an instinctual level, you know that it is awful, but you cannot help but excuse it, he's a unique antagonist for sure.
He didn't simply game their love for results, it was mutual. Also, he doesn't hop between bodies, he's connected to all of them at all times but only manually controls one.
And for clarification, the movie is part of the main story, so it is canon, I guess when they were looking through the raw material of the mana, they decided to make this arc into a movie rather than have it be its own series
You are meant to hate Bondrewd in the beginning but then in the end you understand him and how he operates. There were many curses and blessings in this movie. So much happened to all our crew here and its great they made this a closing chapter for Nanachi and what we know. From here on out is really undiscovered country. We know Nanachi has been around for a long long time by the hut she had and all the gravestones and cave raiding gear she had but she spent a considerable amount of time with Bondrewd and making kids into cartridges for him. We got a small clue in the season finale when Bondrewd complimented her on her cartridge. I really like Bondrewd as a bad guy. He believes in what he's doing will benefit all mankind by getting ready for whatever is coming. He bares no ill intentions or feelings to those that destroyed him because their will and wanting to push on was greater than his so now he's cheering for them. Really bizarre and WTF all around. MIA is the best!
I have to at least repeat this comment: When Prushka said that she wanted to go on adventures, and become a white whistle -- it wasn't suppose to be like this!
Define 'got away' haha You could argue hes been in a prison of his own making ever since he 'became' a white whistle. Its more like everyone else chose to go visit a prison cell themselves and were surprised at the results :p
@@nnightkingj I didn't say he was, I said he built his own prison, I said everyone else was surprised when they went and visited a prison. I was implying everyone goes there despite all the warnings and bad signs and then act 'surprised' that things weren't great.
There are a couple of happier episodes of MiA you can watch before season 2: 4 mini episodes of Marulk's daily life And "Together with Papa" aka "Papa to Issho" with Pruska
Bondrewd is not even evil, that's the worst part, he just is a slave from progress, all he foes is for the sake of humanity and next generstions, i don't say he hasn't done horrible things, but his purpose is pure and kind.
least bad part - canonically, Prushka gets an anatomy lesson when she helps Bondrewd with animal dissection, and she gets the answer of "thats a pole that enables one to become a papa" from Bondrewd when she asks about part of animal anatomy. Thus, she names it the "papa pole". Iirc Tsukushi confirmed that version in an interview (or something). But yeah, sounds BAD.
@@michajastrzebski4383 He confirmed it in an interview and then one of the guest mangaka contributing to the Anthology decided to adapt it as their chapter.
Bondrewd is irredeemable, He is sociopathic, and completely without humanity, the only "humanizing" part is him remembering the names and dreams of the kids that became the carts, but otherwise, he's still an incredibly fucked up villain. He sees only the scientific progress and uses that as justification for immeasurable suffering. I've never been so upset by a villain in media before. The movie was incredible though, the range of emotion is crazy, I just wish they could have cleaned up the rest of the umbra hand, because screw them. Season 2 will be interesting.
Saying he uses it as justification implies he feels he needs to justify it for himself at all. He's more inhuman than that. He loves and cares for every single victim of his experiments and values the contributions they make, too. He sees it as accomplishing something together with them.
Another reactor who didn't get Bondrewd at all in the middle 😅 (though seems he got more understanding for him at the end). Not a surprise as the movie did a horrible job at depicting his character. Good that there are plenty of comments pointing this out already. A super fascinating and complicated character, so far removed from the ordinary tropes, that he leaves his name on the history of manga.
The movie didn't do a horrible job depicting his character, it's simply human nature to not trust what he says at face value. I didn't understand Bondrewd until some time after watching the movie. What makes the difference is realizing Bondrewd never lies; everything he says is exactly the way he sees it himself. He has the exact same optimism that Riko has.
it's kind of a shame to lose the body of bondrewd, it may sound harsh, but it's a waste, cause now alll those children died for allmost nothing, even though he now knows how to avoid the abyss curse for others,
It is a waste; but good or bad all the things that happened had to have happened for things to ever have turned out how they did. Without doing that there would be no Nanachi to have been there to save Riko. There would be no Mitty to connect to Riko and help her recover mentally. There would be no Prushka to become a whistle; allowing all of them to carry on. reg would have never learned to properly use his body. Its a theme of the show that things accumulate, and that we are a product of our own desires, and that trials make connections stronger. Those children were sacrificed for the good of the story.
It wasn't for nothing. He got to experience the Blessing and understand it a little better, plus he confirmed that a Blessed Narehate is a repeatable outcome, not just a one-off fluke.
not so fun fact : Prushka's pet is most likely one of the kids from Nanachi's group - the girl Ilim, taken by Bondrewd right before Mitty gets taken. "Child of change", after all ;)
@@Grudder1maybe, maybe not. Bondrewd does mention that he experimented with pairing the kids with various animals. I could very well imagine Ilim getting paired with some sort of pet she had some form of connection with, for example...also, name, color match - Tsukushi does like to play with similarities in the manga, in various ways. Some things in the later manga chapters also do suggest this.
@@michajastrzebski4383 we haven't seen anything were two creatures get fused together in the series. All the hollows in bondrewd's garden were the kids that were paired with animals
@@michajastrzebski4383 I think he just said something like the machine didn't work if the subjects weren't human (so ascending from the 6th layer would just activated the cursed normally), here will be some SPOILERS from the manga so be carefull. Its implied by Srajo that menya its more likely to be somekind of juusou created artificially by Bondrewd.
@@mr._.4340 the only real issue with that is Pruska got Meinya well before the Elevator experiments. She's had her since she was around 6, which was nearly 8-9 years ago. Just a little bit after the creation of Idofront. Nanachi's group only arrived at Idofront approximately 4 years ago (and she only escaped roughly a year ago).
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Bondrewd is a villain who uses the power of love
Bondrewd really did love prushka and the other children, if the love wasn't mutual then he wouldn't be able to receive the blessing he got.
57:02 Let this part sink in. If he had a choice between using children and himself, Bondrewd would use himself for his experiments first, as he did when making his whistle. It's only because he can't that he uses others.
He also quite literally cares about everyone, but he's completely lost any sense of morality as a result of repeatedly using the zoaholic. He loves all the children, including Reg, Riko, Nanachi, Mitty, and yes, Prushka. He just has no moral compass to tell him not to use them as guinea pigs.
I don't think the movie tries to excuse Bondrewd at all or to make you feel bad for him, it's just how Bondrewd is, he cares about people, but has no morals so he puts everything aside to reach scientific progress.
this whole thing is just an experiment to him, no matter the outcome, he benefits, he learns something. Everything is Subarashi.
It's also not like he would use someone unnecessarily, he only goes so far, because he himself is no longer regarded as a human by the abyss, he no longer has the WORTH of a human life. So he has to use others to support him by being sacrificed.
The worth part will be a huge part of the second season...
Believe it or not in Germany is that movie free for 12. Right TWELVE!
I think the our guys from the usk are crazy.
I think what scares me about Bondrewd is there is no malice behind his evil actions. His compliments are genuine, and he never harms others out of spite, sadism, or anything.
He is just so far removed from humanity that such emotions no longer apply to him.
Is like that one dude who will try out something unknown and die to lead the correct/safer way, inspire a lot of people who will follow clearing the next path, making a mass loss that will terrify the ones less brave enough but will be using the safe path while calling those who sacrifficed as crazies. I think that's how I can summarize it-
Bondrewd is a scientist, for the better or worse
"how can you get worse than that ?"
bro is not ready for saison 2💀
Seasoning 2 😂🥲
just my thought lmao
hahaha :3
As far as I could tell, Bondrewd has always been genuine and sincere. He did love the children. And that makes this 100x more effed up. Genuine affection does not stop him from moving forward. After all, his first experiments were done on himself. It all makes him unnerving and probably one of the most terrifying antagonists in anime.
On to season 2 we go! Hopefully we finally get the happy adventures we want from this anime.
But I think his love and affection was probably more of a "program" than genuine emotion. He really needed the kids to like him and love him so he probably read a bunch of parenting books to get the job done. And the children believed and loved him for it.
@@artboymoy the only issue with that theory is that in order for the blessing to work the love needs to go both ways. the fact that he got the blessing from those cartridges shows that he truly did genuinely love all the ones he was using.
the thing is just that his thought process is alien. normal sane people can't really understand him, because his actions do not align with what a normal sane person would think of as love. it's better to think of him as an eldritch monstrosity rather than a human.
@@Eclipsed_Embers I agree with you on this. If someone can convince themselves of their own beliefs then it can become their truth. 'Signals' don't lie and while perhaps you can trick other people you can't trick an the true nature of the Abyss anymore then you can lie to the ocean that you can swim. If the love isn't real both ways, it doesn't matter how good you tricked the other person, the Abyss can tell the difference, and so the blessing can only be real if there was truly that connection.
@@Eclipsed_Embers It's a bit vague on how the blessing happens, but it all could just be one sided love that the being receiving the curse expresses because they're taking all of it and maybe their love for the other being grants them the blessing. So Bondrewd doesn't need to actually have the emotion of love. He created a strong enough bond with all the children, that to their eyes was love and since the children have normal emotions, they love for them both. That's just my interpretation. The life reverberating stone could probably be fashioned similarly. Riko and Prushka certainly had a bond in that short time but Riko didn't have to do anything. It was all Prushka's desire and I guess Mitty's desire as well. Self sacrifice for the one you love, I guess.
@@artboymoy There are heavy implications that it has to be both ways for the blessing, even Bondrewd seems to believe so. We know he did tests after Nanachi's 'success' because we know Nanachi helped him make the cartridges, seemingly a good number of them before events of the movie.
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER Below!
S2 SPOILER.
We can assume he knows this for a fact since Bondrewd used cartridges in the 6th layer to visit the village and return, and was not blessed; this is something we know for a fact because he is not blessed in the movie. So while he might not express 'love' in the normal way, he does care in the same way love would, just minus the empathy part. And we can assume that he must because the force field, the effects of how the Abyss functions, would know the difference.
"Normal" cartridges can protect from the curses effects, but ones you have raised with love can give you the blessing. You could argue that the ones he used before were just random kids he just made before being friendly. And this might be true. But you'd be hard pressed to convince me that Bondrewd hadn't/wouldn't already have tested one way love after seeing Nanachi. Or alternatively, I'd argue Bondrewd perhaps always 'loved' or at least cared everyone he used for experiments before even deciding it was a requirement; simply because everything we have known him to do has been in trying to 'save humanity', he may care deeply for EVERYONE, but again because he lacks empathy it doesn't look like it from how he treats people. If that were the case, He'd be the one sided love and it would be truly earning the children's trust and love that would be the hard part holding it back.
I don't think there is a 'love threshold' where if one person loves hard enough then you get the effects, it seems a mutual effort.
In terms of the life reverberating stone, I believe that can be one way, and I don't even think love is a requirement at all necessarily, but rather true dedication. Someone who is obsessed with someone else could probably become one for the person they are obsessed with; while neither really loves each other truly. Becoming a reverberating stone seems more about giving yourself in service to another person. In Prushka's case its a bit more of a mutual thing I think, Prushka wants to help Riko fulfill her desire to go on adventures, but is also her friend. It probably just makes the connection stronger. Bondrewd could have hated himself when he became a white whistle for himself (which as a point, shows you don't even need two people for the reverberating stone, so can obviously be one-side by definition alone) and because he was dedicated to his own goals, it works. I'd like to know what Bondred's ritual for creating a white whistle is, because I'm willing to bet anything Riko and Prushka didn't follow it.
As an additional S2 spoiler related consideration. I think the effects of the Blessing and Curse can be viewed as being closely related to the "wish granting egg" or their better more accurate name "Cradles of Desire". The experiment with Nanachi and Mitty to me seems a lot like an artificial, 2 person representation of what a Cradle of Desire does. Both Mitty and Nanachi achieved their 'wishes' in the moments of that experiment, and Bondrewd made sure to instill in them what was important for them to wish for before doing it, specifically Mitty. Mitty was told if she died then Nanachi would be hit by the curse, Mitty became immortal because she committed herself entirely to that purpose. Nanachi's wishes were also fulfilled, but they were deeper things she might not have even been fully aware of. Cradles of Desire work in a similar way in my mind.
scary fact: the Bondrew we met was just a "meet and greet" body.
the one they met at the flower field was one of the strongest bondrewd could possess
Wait when was that said in the manga?
@@blaze3981 Tsukushi often reveals things like that in interviews.
Bondrewd is probably one of my favorite characters of all time, because he is really complicated.
I'm sure its been mentioned by another comment by now, but in the process of using the zoaholic to transfer his mind he has lost his empathy, hes like a sociopath, but honestly with good 'intentions' even if it means doing bad things. Within this shows world he has done a lot to try and help humans make their way down deeper safely into the abyss. Gondolas, Bondrewd; that vaccine Habo gave Riko, Bondrewd; as well as many other things. And while these cartridges are awful, the end goal was to use a few lives for the betterment of more lives; while giving 'worthless' people a chance to benefit all of humanity, from his twisted perspective.
It's worth saying, he NEVER lies. If you watch this movie again and take everything he says at face value, his sarcastic sounding compliments included. You can see him in a different light.
Does this make what he does fine? No, but he is also a product of the Abyss, just as much as anyone else; consumed by his own desires and goals to the point of extremes because it became an obsession which he no longer has the morality to stop himself from pushing 'too far'. Who and what he is is both his own fault, and also the fault of the Abyss itself.
1:05:52 He remembers their names, what they were like, and their dreams for the future. It’s more like willing to sacrifice for what he thinks is the greater good. It’s a little different from "not caring", it’s caring and then choosing to betray later.
1:14:51 they have to love him or else they couldn’t take the curse of the abyss for him. That’s the conclusion he got from the experiment of Nanachi and Mitty. The result is the blessing of the abyss.
Well, it wasn't a "betrayal"
Since he genuinely loved and cared about them.
It was just necessary sacrifices for the sake if scientific progress.
Yes, from our perspective he seems evil but, because of the artifact influence and constant cycles of "rebirth" his perception of the world is totally different from regular humans
He doesn't see it as betraying them at all.
Bondrewd is such a terrifying and interesting character.
Probably one of the most inhuman antagonists just because of how foreign his thought process feels at times.
atleast he loves Children so he cant be that bad of a dude right?
@@domehaaar4423 That's what Epstein's lawyer said to judge (probably)
Bondrewd is the only antagosnist I love and hate at the same time.
I am really not trying to sound edgy but how is it foreign? He's completely rational, just devoid of morality. You think like him really easily, just imagine yourself as the only being with feelings and you're good to go.
@@matejkacmar325 the thing is, just being rational with no morality would not explain some of his behaviors.
-Such as how he can show genuine care to the kids that he’s treated so cruelly.
-Or how he takes every set back in stride. Even if the setback is loss of equipment/ facility, loss of personnel/extra lives, being tricked and trapped, being injured/ being killed. He can take all of this and still have a mostly positive outlook on things, even going so far as to praise the ones setting him back. The only time he showed dissatisfaction was when he said Reg’s light was too dangerous.
Point is, you’re not going to be able to achieve the same mindset as Bondrewd. You might be able to make a close imitation, but there will be fundamental elements missing. Because of that, saying that his thought process feels foreign at times feels appropriate.
the worst thing is that for the cartridges to work the kids and himself had to genuenly love each other
his mind is so alien that he can love and be curios without having any concept of pain
one of the best written villains I ever seen
Bondrewd is insane, but he did contribute to their adventure. He got things done.
Nanachi learned medicine and anatomy from him, ultimatly saving Riko.
He was planing to use Prushka to get the blessing, but also let her bond with Riko to get her the life reverberating stone too.
1:13:20 He planned it from the start. He would have helped Riko.
I think he just wanted to give Prushka a blessing through Rico in order to get another assistant. As an option, he could probably experiment with moving into Prushka's "blessed body". Because it would be dangerous to take such a risk himself otherwise - but he essentially had no choice when the trio escaped. Of course, it raises questions as to why it was necessary to cripple Reg (if he wanted to make Prushka and Rico friends for the sake of blessing), but this question remains even if he “wanted to help.”
@@МарияРаспопова-й5г I made another comment here that roughly breaks down that I don't think he planned to do what he did to Prushka during the events of this movie and that he in fact expected Riko and company to just go down to the 6th layer without much incident, he was expecting them to be there for the ritual. You should probably see that comment if you want to see what evidence I point to for this. In this I also kind of discredit the idea of him trying to help Riko by expecting Prushka to become a reverberating stone, and I don't think he expected that or knew that was happening until Prushka told him in that blessed body they were going to go on adventures together.
But in regards to Bondrewd using himself; its of very little risk in the grand scheme of things. He can hop bodies to any of the Umbra Hands pretty easily. And he always wanted to experience it for himself. A lot of what he does he handles himself because he cant trust other people to do it right or do things that fulfill what he thinks is most important. His goals are grander then most peoples, he thinks hes doing work for the greater good of all humanity.
If your point is more to say he could have used the zoaholic to hop himself into Prushka. Sure, maybe, but really that would probably have been more of a risk. Most people he uses it on are nearly brain-dead zombies only capable of simple tasks after the swap. Thats way they seem so weird and out of it. And there is no way to know how compatible a person is going to be until you do it. So doing it to Prushka wouldn't have been a guarantee her brain would even be functioning after the fact. By comparison, Gueira, the Umbra Hands member who goes out with Pruska, the one that ultimately becomes the blessed body for Bondrewd, was one that had been thoroughly vetted and was known to be resistant to the mind swaping process while also being decked out with relics. Its why he refers to him (that body) as a 'masterpiece' even before he was blessed. And its likely Gueira had been prepared as a body for a long time specifically for this task.
At the end of the day, even if things went bad he could always 'try again' because whats another decade for him down in the 5th layer? But, as I mentioned in another comment, I don't THINK he is going to try again, not with the blessing thing at least.
@@МарияРаспопова-й5г No, the plan was always to use Prushka as a cartridge. That's why he needed to be absolutely 100% sure she loved him just as much as he loves her, otherwise it wouldn't work. If he was too hasty and she didn't fully reciprocate his love, she would be unable to grant the Blessing and would simply function as a way to ward off the Curse just like all the other cartridges. Getting killed by our group was the final test to make certain. It's possible that Prushka may have even known that she was going to "help Papa" by being made into a cartridge eventually, though probably not when.
Rikos gear are also likely to have their roots from bondrewds inventions
Bondrewd isn't someone you should ever be concerned *for,* but just know that he does genuinely care for all of Humanity and his friends/family. THAT is what makes him such a monster, or, as our dear Ozen would say, such a scoundrel.
Remember that the curse of the abyss ONLY happens when you go up. Traveling around in the sixth layer is fine, it's only when you end up ascending that you will lose your humanity.
oh man the Ido-Front/Bondrewd arc is insane when reading it in the manga and the movie did an excellent job doing the whole arc.
Bondrewd is one of the most compelling and interesting villains of anime/manga ever as we learn that he does have a sense of care for Prushka and almost everyone but the logic of good and evil doesn't ever really make his decisions on what he wants to do, all he cares about is the scientific progress of learning about the curse and the "blessing"
I also like the quote "may your journey be overflowing with curses and blessings" as the entire journey of this whole story is and seeing Nanachi feeling sad at first gives the somewhat idea that Bondrewd is sort of the only father figure Nanachi has
外国の人達も僕らと同じようにボンドルドを理解しようと様々に考察している姿が好きです。この作品は嫌悪も憎悪も恐怖も内包した不思議な魅力があります。この作品の冒険を楽しんでください。
me : "okay i've just finish ep 13 and this was the worst thing i've ever seen in anime, now let's watch the movie"
The movie :
Bondrewd is easily one of my all time favorite villains. Zero hatred or malice. Just a desire for scientific ambition dialed up to 200% with zero concerns for social taboos or constraints.
Bondrewd is like a twisted wish granting lamp.
Hold on to that thought for season 2 . 🙁
He clearly loved and cared for the kids, he even knew all their names.
It's just that his experiments and wish for progress were as much as important, it's also implied that Zoaholic, the relic que uses to transfer his consciousness is the thing responsible for him being so detached and able to do the bad things he does to the kids.
Those kids were, in fact, inseparable from progress for him. Progress is something he could only achieve with their help and he cherishes each of their contributions. He's not detached at all.
Bondrewd helping Prushka become a white whistle can also be interpreted as an act of love, because it allows her to tag along on Riko and the team’s adventures like she wanted
What made Bondrewd intresting is because he actually cares and love all of the childrens deeply. As we see in the case of nanachi she was not disfigured and turned into like the others because of the love of Mitty. She turned into a hollow and can see the curse. Same as him he turned into a hollow because he truely loved puruska just like how nanavhi and mitty loved each other
Despite everything, Bondrewd does truly love Prushka and Nanachi, I think. They're his experiments, and the only thing he loves more than them is himself. Despite what he puts them through, he remembers every single person's name and the dreams they told him about, like the one girl who wanted to be a princess or Prushka who wanted to go on adventures.
14:12 Seems like you still doesn't understand the curse of the abyss, you don't get cursed just by moving there or entering the abyss, you get hit if you try to go up
Don’t understand how he doesn’t know that when he watched the first season and the movie
Nah the story is absolutely not trying to push Bondrewd as any sort of good person in any way. The Zoaholic and his ambitions have fucked him up into this truly alien morality where he sees no evil from anyone, not even himself. You are right to say that he acts friendly and tragically, but you are wrong to think that you are supposed to take that at face value or as some sort of tragic character, he is a monster that Riko and co. decided not to kill simply because it seems that killing is something that Riko is very much against. Bondrewd no longer has a base, it is utterly destroyed and rid of power source, his combat capable Umbra Hands are not many and his plan is ruined until he can gather all that back up again to raise a child to make into a cartridge again, which I don't think is happening.
I mean the whole point is that you ARE infact supposed to take him at face value. Just that him being friendly doesn't mean he won't kill you if you stand in his way, whatever he does he completes with 100% of his might and sincerity.
You're right that he has a completely alien morality, but you _can_ take him at face value for the most part. He doesn't lie and holds no malice for anyone.
The reason they didn't destroy Zoaholic is because Prushka doesn't want the people she cares about to fight anymore, not because Riko is against it personally. Prushka manages to communicate this to Riko and Riko obliges her.
Bondrewd still has Ido Front (the ritual site actually heals itself over time), the hydroelectric generator will be back up and running eventually, and he may not even bother trying to reproduce what he did with Prushka since he confirmed his hypothesis about Blessed Narehate and experienced it firsthand.
@@BloodrealmX He doesn't lie by commission but he lies alot by omission. Like, Prushka is a sleep and i'll let er go later you, know, just ignoring to tell them that she's asleep in the cartridge and by letting her go later is he'll dump her cartridge later. Certainly not the spirit of the questions that she asks him.
@@AmachiEligwe It's part of his insane optimism. That's genuinely how he sees it.
Something else I don't think is a common perspective of Bondrewd, and this movie as a whole.
Having watched this movie.... a LOT; I have long decided that I don't think Bondrewd was actually planning to use Prushka (at least just yet) during the events of this movie. Bondrewd mentions to Riko and Nanachi that he was fully under the impression that they were there to create a white whistle; meaning he thought they were there for the ritual, meaning he thought either Nanachi or Riko were there to turn themselves into a whistle for the other. Had that been the case, there would have been no need to fight or anything, they would have done the ritual and moved on and he would have continued on doing what your regular ol' Bondrewd's do in their natural enviroments. He tells Prushka when they are about to arrive that these people would 'help' him. In this case I believe what he was expecting was to use whatever 'thing' he does with Nanachi to see her vision to observe them as they went deeper after doing the ritual; this would have been plenty helpful to him.
However, I believe his plans changed once he meet with them, told them the elevator needed a whistle and saw they were all surprised and no one suggested they were there for the ritual. Seeing then that Riko and Prushka were getting along he THEN saw the opportunity to change plans and still make use out of them being there. I actually don't even think he had plans to take Reg until determining they weren't there for the ritual. That being the case he probably expected he could get Nanachi to stick around and figured maybe Riko would be sent home to the surface. In that situation Reg would then a liability to leave in the upper layers so figured he'd better take him for himself.
Finally, at the end he tells Nanachi that watching them carry on is his new aspiration. I think that was his original expectation to watch them go, but NOW after how things went, I don't think he wishes to do so himself anymore and sees it as passing the torch to the next generation. I suspect in his final moments with that body, when Prushka tells him they should get along because they will be going on adventures is when he knew she had become Riko's white whistle. And having finally gotten a chance to experience his fixation, becoming blessed, and seeing that their will to press on exceeds his own; he can just watch them do what he has never been able to.
At the end of the day, Bondrewd is afraid to go much past Ido Front because he knows he can't come back. He doesn't think he can do what needs to be done in one trip so is trying to find a way to go back and forth, like how humans have always explored layers above. He saw every other white whistle going down as a suicide mission. But sees something in Riko's group that makes him believe they actually have a chance where he and others before did not, without coming back. He says quite a few things at the end that make me think this is his general perspective.
I have seen a lot of comments on other reactions suggesting he's gonna start doing these experiments again, or about how he was always going to use Prushka. But this is my theory saying that I don't think that's exactly the case. We can't know for sure until the story or the writer tell us otherwise. But Bondrewd has a funny way of thinking about things, and I believe him when he tells us that his aspirations are to see THEM go on, I think he sees his part to play as being done; at least with making everyone lunchboxes for the journey anyway.
Speaking of the show getting worse and how to get food...
At the end of the day, Riko and Bondrew aren't that different. They want to know what's at the bottom at the abyss and are ready to sacrifice themself for the greater good. Thing is, Bondrew is much more older, with more experience about this world than Riko could ever have. Those who are able to understand the abyss are those ready to push forward, no matter the cost. We know now that Lysa herself sacrificed someone she loved to get her white whistle. People seem to forget what Riko did to Reg the first time they met, she basically violated every human rights he might have possessed just because "he was just a robot and she wanted to learn more". She has a twisted mind because this world is twisted, whatever the abyss may be, whatever may lay at the end of it. People are drawn to it and, with time passing differently between the dephts and the surface, it's hard to really understand how long it's been for those person down there.
Oh it'll only get better and better, there's gonna be more and more wholesome stuff in season 2, also papa pole was legendary🤣
Made in abyss is so unique... I love all the emotions and mysteries in the story. I have a bad feeling this anime won't have a happy ending, but I am getting prepared for it. I love life/death themes, it is very strong for me.
that art work is probably one of the best anime medias already maded
In the end Bondrewd did nothing wrong. He helped Nanachi team to get to 6 layer and also fulfill his daughter wish to become a white whistle (literally) and go on an adventure with her friends, also helped him complete his research. Hitting 3 birds with one stone. Brilliant writing
That's what's so terrifying about Bondrewd
He truly, genuinely loved Prushka, but was still willing to do what he did to her purely to satisfy his desire to learn about the Abyss and push humanity's limits
What little "humanity" he even has left in him after all that time down there, like all the White Whistles
Absolutely incredible writing
"purely to satisfy his desire to learn" That's part of what he loves her for, though. This was something that literally nobody but Prushka could help him achieve. It's even possible that she _knew_ that being a cartridge was what was going to eventually happen to her and she was okay with it.
[Manga spoilers]
She's certainly not upset about it after the fact. She doesn't even mention it during the next scene we actually get to talk with her in and she still loves her Papa and sings his praises.
It's funny how most anime watchers hate bondrewd, while the manga community mostly loves him xD
愛ですよ、愛。
Best dad bondrewd making his daughter into a white whistle 🤩
She's just like her Papa now!
Best Dad Ever
The sad thing: As we learned in the first few episodes of season 1, a White Whistle (the object) only returns to the surface after a Last Dive when the diver has... passed away. (Or so the saying goes; Riko still believes her mother is alive despite that.)
The only way Prushka will ever see a dawn is at the end of Riko's journey when she, too, has passed away.
1:13:16 Less he didn't have feelings, more he's insane cuz he's legitimately insane from over using the Zoaholic.
That he recieved the blessing means that the love "his" children felt for him was mutual. He truly loved them, but he used that genuine love as a means to an end, since he is an inhuman monster that used himself as his own white whistle, whose conciousness is shunted from body to body, feeling true love for someone does not prevent him from archieving his goals and desires.
His inhumanity is that true genuine reciprocated love is just a tool to him, it does not at all guide his actions or emotions, which is harrowing as it essentially touches upon something that humans otherwise only relate to the divine, only God is above love right? It is harrowing on an instinctual level, you know that it is awful, but you cannot help but excuse it, he's a unique antagonist for sure.
He didn't simply game their love for results, it was mutual. Also, he doesn't hop between bodies, he's connected to all of them at all times but only manually controls one.
bondrewd is not in his full power yet, someone ransacked him just before
And for clarification, the movie is part of the main story, so it is canon, I guess when they were looking through the raw material of the mana, they decided to make this arc into a movie rather than have it be its own series
Bondrewd, the only one staying above Tucker from FMA for the position of best anime dad^^
When we call Bondrewd best dad it's not sarcastic. He cares deeply for all his kids.
You are meant to hate Bondrewd in the beginning but then in the end you understand him and how he operates. There were many curses and blessings in this movie. So much happened to all our crew here and its great they made this a closing chapter for Nanachi and what we know. From here on out is really undiscovered country. We know Nanachi has been around for a long long time by the hut she had and all the gravestones and cave raiding gear she had but she spent a considerable amount of time with Bondrewd and making kids into cartridges for him. We got a small clue in the season finale when Bondrewd complimented her on her cartridge. I really like Bondrewd as a bad guy. He believes in what he's doing will benefit all mankind by getting ready for whatever is coming. He bares no ill intentions or feelings to those that destroyed him because their will and wanting to push on was greater than his so now he's cheering for them. Really bizarre and WTF all around. MIA is the best!
"How do you get worse than that?". Bro has no idea!
I have to at least repeat this comment: When Prushka said that she wanted to go on adventures, and become a white whistle -- it wasn't suppose to be like this!
The fuked up part is just like Purushka every cartridge children loves Bondrewd
Best part is Bondrewd got away with everything
Define 'got away' haha
You could argue hes been in a prison of his own making ever since he 'became' a white whistle. Its more like everyone else chose to go visit a prison cell themselves and were surprised at the results :p
@@golden--handbondrewd wasn’t surprised he did everything intentionally
@@nnightkingj I didn't say he was, I said he built his own prison, I said everyone else was surprised when they went and visited a prison.
I was implying everyone goes there despite all the warnings and bad signs and then act 'surprised' that things weren't great.
“It’s just gonna get worse and worse…”
Yes.
“How do you get worse than that”. Oh buddy let me tell you 😂
There are a couple of happier episodes of MiA you can watch before season 2:
4 mini episodes of Marulk's daily life
And "Together with Papa" aka "Papa to Issho" with Pruska
Bondrewd is not even evil, that's the worst part, he just is a slave from progress, all he foes is for the sake of humanity and next generstions, i don't say he hasn't done horrible things, but his purpose is pure and kind.
1:24:30
I laughed
Thanks a lot for your reactions!
*sees the thumbnail* yeeeaaahh thats about right
Will you react on S2 too?
Someone do the "Pappa I wanna be a white whistle" comment, I don't wanna do it lol.
"Papa, I wanna be a White Whistle just like you!"
"Just like me, you say? Do you truly mean that?"
"Yes! A White Whistle _exactly_ like you!"
i reallt enjoy this, wait for season 2 reaction soon
You think it won't get worse but it always does. the movie is my favorite arc in the story. season 2 is doozy as well tho
Out of any animated movie this one is the only one that makes me repeatedly weep every time I watch it.
Same
The second season will surprise you😬
This is where I point out a video called Bondrewd did nothing wrong
"Bondrewd did nothing wrong" is a lying meme. "Bondrewd is best dad", however, is the honest truth.
@@BloodrealmX actually I’m not lying, there is a TH-cam video with the title “Bondrewd did nothing wrong” by The Doomer Den
Papa pole 😭
least bad part - canonically, Prushka gets an anatomy lesson when she helps Bondrewd with animal dissection, and she gets the answer of "thats a pole that enables one to become a papa" from Bondrewd when she asks about part of animal anatomy. Thus, she names it the "papa pole". Iirc Tsukushi confirmed that version in an interview (or something).
But yeah, sounds BAD.
@@michajastrzebski4383 yeah my mind went darker
@@michajastrzebski4383 That's... not as bad as it could've been, considering... _gestures at the rest of the show_
@@michajastrzebski4383 He confirmed it in an interview and then one of the guest mangaka contributing to the Anthology decided to adapt it as their chapter.
@@guywithmanyname5247 When I heard it the first time I just remembered parent-child bathing is pretty normal in a lot of the world, including Japan.
Bondrewd is irredeemable, He is sociopathic, and completely without humanity, the only "humanizing" part is him remembering the names and dreams of the kids that became the carts, but otherwise, he's still an incredibly fucked up villain. He sees only the scientific progress and uses that as justification for immeasurable suffering. I've never been so upset by a villain in media before. The movie was incredible though, the range of emotion is crazy, I just wish they could have cleaned up the rest of the umbra hand, because screw them. Season 2 will be interesting.
Saying he uses it as justification implies he feels he needs to justify it for himself at all. He's more inhuman than that. He loves and cares for every single victim of his experiments and values the contributions they make, too. He sees it as accomplishing something together with them.
Ahhhhh,Subarashi😌
Another reactor who didn't get Bondrewd at all in the middle 😅 (though seems he got more understanding for him at the end). Not a surprise as the movie did a horrible job at depicting his character. Good that there are plenty of comments pointing this out already. A super fascinating and complicated character, so far removed from the ordinary tropes, that he leaves his name on the history of manga.
The movie didn't do a horrible job depicting his character, it's simply human nature to not trust what he says at face value. I didn't understand Bondrewd until some time after watching the movie. What makes the difference is realizing Bondrewd never lies; everything he says is exactly the way he sees it himself. He has the exact same optimism that Riko has.
it's kind of a shame to lose the body of bondrewd, it may sound harsh, but it's a waste, cause now alll those children died for allmost nothing, even though he now knows how to avoid the abyss curse for others,
It is a waste; but good or bad all the things that happened had to have happened for things to ever have turned out how they did.
Without doing that there would be no Nanachi to have been there to save Riko. There would be no Mitty to connect to Riko and help her recover mentally. There would be no Prushka to become a whistle; allowing all of them to carry on. reg would have never learned to properly use his body. Its a theme of the show that things accumulate, and that we are a product of our own desires, and that trials make connections stronger.
Those children were sacrificed for the good of the story.
@@golden--hand that's totally right
It wasn't for nothing. He got to experience the Blessing and understand it a little better, plus he confirmed that a Blessed Narehate is a repeatable outcome, not just a one-off fluke.
this movie indeed subarashi..😢😢😢
not so fun fact : Prushka's pet is most likely one of the kids from Nanachi's group - the girl Ilim, taken by Bondrewd right before Mitty gets taken. "Child of change", after all ;)
There is nothing that suggests that. Ilim definitely became a hollow like the other children, and prushka's pet is definitely not a hollow.
@@Grudder1maybe, maybe not. Bondrewd does mention that he experimented with pairing the kids with various animals. I could very well imagine Ilim getting paired with some sort of pet she had some form of connection with, for example...also, name, color match - Tsukushi does like to play with similarities in the manga, in various ways.
Some things in the later manga chapters also do suggest this.
@@michajastrzebski4383 we haven't seen anything were two creatures get fused together in the series. All the hollows in bondrewd's garden were the kids that were paired with animals
@@michajastrzebski4383 I think he just said something like the machine didn't work if the subjects weren't human (so ascending from the 6th layer would just activated the cursed normally), here will be some SPOILERS from the manga so be carefull.
Its implied by Srajo that menya its more likely to be somekind of juusou created artificially by Bondrewd.
@@mr._.4340 the only real issue with that is Pruska got Meinya well before the Elevator experiments. She's had her since she was around 6, which was nearly 8-9 years ago. Just a little bit after the creation of Idofront.
Nanachi's group only arrived at Idofront approximately 4 years ago (and she only escaped roughly a year ago).
One piece?