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- The Coast Guard confirmed Thursday they'd found debris that indicated the missing sub that was exploring the wreck of the Titanic had suffered a "catastrophic implosion," killing all five on board. Stefano Brizzolara, an ocean engineering expert and co-director of the Virginia Tech Center for Marine Autonomy and Robotics, joined CBS News to talk about what may have caused the implosion.
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Arrogance, cutting corners, and the sheer lack of regard to safety is what caused this.
I think there is some truth to this statement.
Rush's arrogance and hubris, for sure.
The way he acted in that interview like he built some revolutionary sub. Cutting corners to be innovative without proper safety guidelines being meet. Payed the ultimate price for his arrogance
@@judithnicholais1492 I don’t know there’s some interviews of him that show otherwise
@@judithnicholais1492there's a reason he didn't get it certified..I feel for all 5 who perished and the families on earth.
An implosion is definitely the most humane scenario for these 5 men, certainly better than being stuck at the bottom of the ocean with no hope of being rescued.
turning a billionaire man into a billion air bubbles . . . I guess
i was hoping for the latter for the CEO so he could sit there and regret his decisions
@@usingtubes🤡
Best case for the worst case scenario. May their souls rest in peace.
@@itzvincentx3 Not explode, implode. It was crushed by extremely high pressure.
The ocean is a deadly environment and respect is a must,We need to manage underwater expeditions with the same rigor as going to space. I just feel so terrible for the families.
And freedom in international waters is just pushed aside? The tourists are the real ones at fault, for doing zero research before going into one of the most hostile zones on Earth in a cheap submersible, just to have a bragging feather in their cap. You want to take a spin around the isle of Manhattan in a tour boat? Then I don't expect you to know the ins and outs of that boat. You want to do something like this though? I'd expect you to know how carbon fiber reacts and rates at these pressure depths.
I heard the engineer that was fired told the owner his design wasn't going to hold up to the pressure at that depth, and the owner didn't just fire the guy, he ventured into the abyss, with a submarine capable of withstanding 80-85% of the pressure currently applied at that depth. The sub should have been able to withstand at least twice (and more) the pressure all the way down. They chose otherwise, and unfortunately died.
It really is a shame. Because the whistleblower was just trying to do the right thing.
I wonder how much of this was narcissistic defensiveness. The guy wanted to prove himself right so badly against his critics that that desire took over, and he did some insanely stupid things. It happens.,
Time for the fired engineer to grab a ouija board and give Stockton the ol' "I told you so".
The CEO states on the company website that they don’t need certification because they do exploration That means they don’t have to have cert checks
Moral of the story....Listen to engineers!
Glad they didn't sit there for days contemplating their own demise. RIP.
If the banging noises CBS has been reporting on for 2 days is any indication, they did.
@@AldrickExGladiusit doesn’t, the implosion happened when they lost connection on Sunday
Nope the Admiral was VERY clear. Such an implosion would have made a HUGE noise that sonophones and sonars would have heard. Therfore it happened BEFORE they put their gear so BEFORE the (far smaller) noise heard. It was only PRESS and media trying to increase the suspens. The experts always said they didn't know what was this noise.
@@AldrickExGladius It's an indication that the media won't hesitate to turn a tragic loss of life into a dramatic soap opera based on nothing. Every expert they've interviewed has been very honest about these people very most likely being dead. Even now some news sites are calling these people "presumed dead" or "believed to be dead," knowing full well that they are completely and totally dead. They can't let their milk dry up.
The sad part is that they fired the expert in 2018 for blowing the whistle for safety concerns and even he said the carbon fiber was breaking apart in their test trials.
Dont forget the diversity hires instead of "experienced white guy" lmaooo
Woow smh
I was a Vietnamese Boatpeople, on the journey into freedom in November 1980 and we, 71 people on board, spent 4 days and 5 nights in the stormy ocean. After this experience, I have committed myself I will never put myself and my family on any ferry ships for a holiday. I've been there done that and NEVER AGAIN. The ocean is the beast that always wants to swallow you. God bless the Titanic and the recent Titan 5 that carried 5 souls. RIP to them.
The Titan was a sinking coffin.
I was on that boat....i knocked 9 gauges out
Carbon fiber?! I’m not an engineer, but there is no way you’d get me in a carbon fiber submarine. I had no idea until now that’s what it was made of, and that’s all I needed to know. I’m so sorry for those who perished and their families who now suffer due to someone else’s ignorance/ negligence.
Isn’t carbon fiber one of the strongest and lightest materials on earth?
@@blakehawkes6366hell no it cracks so easy
@@blakehawkes6366noo! There's a reason why all water vessels are made with steel or titanium specifically underwater vessels
@@blakehawkes6366Its strong, lightweight nature is suitable for race car bodies, but not -submarines.- *submersibles and submarines.*
Carbon fibre doesn't bend, unlike steel or aluminum, although it can shatter, as anyone who's ever made the expensive mistake of crashing a carbon mountain bike at high speed can attest.
@@stephenbanyar1874 oh I see
What fully tilts me is if the CEO was going to go down there as well, why wouldn't he make sure his Sub is at optimal performance, getting checks regularly. All that money and he didn't spend it to make sure his life would be fine.
Ego
CEO done the trip 36 times it was natural to him but his one mistake was not maintaining or serviceing his tin tuna can
@puresim316
He went down there 36 times...one a flight simulator.
I don't think there was any maintaining of the sub when it's made of carbon fiber. You really can't maintain it.
The fool, billionaires would gladly have paid twice as much. Maybe then he could have afforded a thicker window.
very sad - It looks like the structural integrity could not handle the pressure and was a ticking time bomb . I imagine everyone that was on a previous dive with this vessel is realizing how lucky they were to return.
To push and push it over and over is dumbfounding. And it was all preventable.
@@TheFrenchPug They even knew the hull was degrading. One of their lead safety employees found signs of cyclic fatigue and was fired when they refused to sign off on the sub for diving.
@@TheFrenchPug Not to mention the fact the viewport was only rated for something like 4k, and they dove to around 4 times that, but assuming the guy said they found the front dome, it's reasonable to think the point of failure was the carbon-fiber hull which is what was showing the wear from repeated diving cycles
Considering the people who died, this is actually a happy day.
@@dyne313 who were they?
I'm a former Deep Submersible Pilot.
It makes perfect sense in retrospect that she was found 1600 meters from the bow of the wreckage. Part of the "Experience." The submersible positions itself forward of the Bow where everyone has seen the movie where Rose DeWitt Bukater (Kate Winslet) leans over the bow. They ascended after taking a GPS coordinate at FOM one (Frequency Of Merit). The most precise GPS coordinate. After, as they descended they used the Doppler Velocity Log system to account for crab angle until they reached near bottom where it would provide more precise navigation. Doppler Velocity Log is a system that sends three beams into the water column to track their position error until it finds the bottom and tracks more precisely. The idea is to ascend forward of the bow, fix position, use their sonar (CTFM?) and then maneuver forward to bring the first view of the bow for the visual Sensation. They never made it to the bottom.
Imploded just above and forward of the wreckage... So sad.
i appreciate your insight thats for sure. you are a lucky guy to be a sub pilot. how did you end up becoming one if you dont mind me asking. id love to be a sub pilot.
Apparently they imploded as part of their ascent when they realized the hull was breaking, James Cameron said they are privy to information within the sub community that the Titan's sensors alerted the crew and they were aware something was wrong.
Well... they _did_ ultimately make it to the bottom..
Prove it. I don’t believe you. Post your credentials with proof
Ah, the crab angle few have mentioned before. This crab, you're saying it's claws may have pierced a hole in the sub?
James Cameron (who has his own iron submersible that he has visited the deepest ocean locations with) explained that carbon fiber is probably the worst material of all the materials that have been used to build a pressure vessel resisting pressure from the outside of the ship. Carbon fiber works great for the vacuum of outer space, where the pressure is coming from inside the vessel, which puts the fibers all into tension (their strongest mode). But descending to the ocean depths puts the carbon fiber skin into compression, and because the carbon fiber skin is made of built up layers of carbon fiber mixed with an adhesive matrix, there are tiny fissures in the skin that the water pressure can push water molecules into, which can start separating the layers of the skin. Homogenous materials like steel and titanium and even ceramic are better for pressure vessels that are resisting pressure from the outside of the ship, because they are nearly identical in all directions, there are no significant variations in the strength of an even thickness hull that could cause the hull to start going out of round, the way there is in the non-homogeneous carbon fiber hull.
OUTSTANDING explanation! I am tempted to delete my other comment which was similar but not nearly as cogent.
Nope. Alot of big words but just no. Wasted your time here typing this sir.
@@Thebensupremacyjust cause you can't read doesn't mean we all can't
Your comment was well said and very articulate. I too have watched lots of James Cameron's interviews across multiple platform/channels since yesterday. I've been wondering since Sunday - how come we have not heard from him.
He and Robert Ballard explained their reasons why. They waited till yesterday before agreeing to interviews.
Yes. J. Cameron pointed the finger at the poor design. Stockton Rush literally rushed a poor design.
@@ThebensupremacyElementary age children could read and comprehend what was written.
Could you imagine being on the last successful Titan voyage. How close was it to imploding then? Yikes
It had only been tested to 1300 meters....
I thought it had been in use since 2019?
For anyone curious: "The Titan has made three expeditions to the Titanic wreck site, the first of which was in July 2021. In 2022, reporter David Pogue was onboard the surface ship when communication to the Titan was lost during a dive"
pray for the billionaires. I hope they become billionaires in heaven again.
@@helios6978money is useless in afterlife
"The Titanic's tragedy had no connection to the courage of exploration; instead, it was a clear display of recklessness that resulted in a painful experience for the affected families. In fact, the disaster should have been prevented, given the unmistakable warning signs."
Capitalism!
@@sharonmontano4924 Capitalism has no will and it makes no choices. It is not good or evil (although it is the ONLY method of Freedom and a Free Economy that exists). To think capitalism is bad is a delusion. Capitalism is not bad and money is not bad. It is the Love Of Money that is bad, and of course the people that love money.
But it's essential for massive people commute across continents for relocation, job and migration. The sub is a fancy excursion to explore the wreckage of the fame in the past and unnecessary just to see a massive piece of a decayed boat. Leave the Dead in their peaceful end. Do not bother them just for curiosity.
@@deucedeuce1572 a system that encourages and rewards people who chose monetary incentives over human lives, it is fair to say capitalism is evil. FrEe EcONomY lmao smoothbrain
@@MrGhostTheBigRoastand yet you're commenting on TH-cam with either a phone or a computer made by a business providing you with a service. Capitalism isn't evil or bad. There are people in the system who better fit the moniker of being evil and bad than the system itself. Blaming the system takes away all responsibility from the individuals involved in the disaster.
For the layman: Carbon fiber is like a pencil and steel/titanium is like a one of those plastic spoons. When you bend a pencil it breaks in half at a certain amount of force you put on it. When you use steel/titanium it's like one of those cheap plastic spoons (like the ones on the bad airplane food). Due to it having this flexibility, they would have noticed that the hull was starting to deform, as it would make noise. This would give them time to start resurfacing to lower pressures which, in turn, would give then more time before the hull failed and thus better chance at survival. Because it was carbon fiber, this was not possible. It snaps just like a pencil. They heard nothing and saw nothing. There was no warning. What I don't understand is that, engineers certainly know this. So why was it allowed to operate? Why did people get on it? I mean, if I knew it was carbon fiber, just from my layman knowledge I'd think about this sorta thing. Not that I'd get in one of those metal coffins either. And the truly sad thing is, if they had used traditional steel/titanium there was a decent chance they could've made it. :(
Well quality of engineers in going down these days. Every year the IQ is dropping by a few points and passing marks are raised so that everyone can pass. Submarines and some of the underwater torpedoes are sometimes coated with a layer of compliant walls. The compliant walls are flexible and reduce drag. Additionally the material absorbs pressure thereby reducing the pressure on the hull. This was all brain dead engineering. BTW if a product does not function at twice its normal operating standards, it should not even be approved owing to safety concerns. Ideally the Titan should have been designed to withstand 30000 feet of water pressure and then it could have comfortably operated at 13000 feet. Even if they wanted to cut corners there are smarter ways of doing things (use a combo of carbon fiber, steel and compliant material) or design it for 25000 feet of water pressure etc. When you have brain dead morons running a company along with a bunch of brain dead engineers, you get wrecked and end up at the bottom of the ocean right next to a historical wreck!
Apparently, they stride around the deck of the mothership, saying things to each other like, "Safety is a subjective contruct without form or context at 6000 miles underwater!"
"It surely is, Chuck! Pass me that wrench and write this in the log book!"
The CEO has the paying guests training and working as submersible resource workers doing "safety checks" 24/7 over the 8 days, when the weather doesn't allow for an actual dive to the Titanic.
Have a look at the promotional videos for the single Oceangate submersible trip.
Thank you for you Insight. Very very well explained.
Even if the hull was made of traditional submersible materials the viewing port rated for only 1300-1400 meters would've ended up being the point of failure anyways.
i dont know if plastic spoons are the best example. from my experience with them they snap like pencils. better example is probably a metal spoon if anything. they dont snap they just bend when you try to break them.
Not only did a wife lose her husband and son but will never even get to see them in the casket to say goodbye. It’s so sad I don’t care that their judgment wasn’t the best I’m just sad for the families
Every trip below the surface took its toll on the integrity of the craft.
Unless maintained and or upgraded when and where possible. It was doomed to fail, and thats not a failure you can come back from
I read that experts in subs call any previous successful excursions "weakenings". Absolutely terrifying!
It could have been the seal, too. We'll never know without the evidence. It just shatters.
Yep. Cycles of gigantic pressure build up, then release on that tube and overall structure. Also I have to believe that the viability and long term behavior of the joints where the carbon fiber tube joined the titanium end pieces, two materials with very different physical characteristics, was not sufficiently well understood.
@@judithnicholais1492 apparently they didn't inspect well enough they dead lol
@@judithnicholais1492 and yes it was known as a mickey mouse organization many experts said it was a amateur built vessel do ur research
Let's go visit Titanic at the bottom of the ocean in a coffin-like tube, sealed in from the outside, and uncertified. What could possibly go wrong?
That is what the travel brochure should have read.
Fun fact: In 1898 a book called “The Wreck of The Titan” was published. It was about a luxury cruise line that sank. What’s creepy is that it was described in the book similarly to the Titanic years before the Titanic became an idea. The Titanic was completed in 1910. Few years later the Titanic set sail and met it’s doom when it sank. Just as it happened in the book.
2023 the name of the submersible that imploded was named the Titan.
I remember reading that in the introduction to "A Night to Remember", which my father liked very much and recommended to me. However, I felt too lazy today to put it in a comment. I'm glad you did. Strange, isn't it? I wonder if the CEO of Oceangate knew about the fictitious "Titan" when he gave the submersible that name. If so, he was inviting bad luck. I'm not superstitious, but I would not have done that.
@@benvoronov2306 Yeah, I wonder that too. He prolly did. It’s creepy how it all played out.
I read Wreck of the Titan, and if I hadn't already known of the supposed creepy connection, I wouldn't have noticed it in the book. I do however still have nightmares about what happened to the Kursk. An early sign of what was in store for Putin's Russia.
Don't call anything Titan!
Similar to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote the Sherlock Holmes story, A study in Scarlet, just before the Jack the Ripper Murders !!!!!
I only really feel sorry for the kid, he didn't even really want to go apparently, he just wanted a bonding experience with his father (not something you do if your father has been a good one), the 4 others were literally risking their lives in the pursuit of pointless "exploration" and thrill seeking by visiting one of the most famous graveyards in modern history. They might not have deserved their fate, but they were asking for it.
what a sad loss of life due to a submersible that clearly wasn't up to the task assigned to it
Too bad it didn't happen sooner on test dives.
Unless i’m wrong the lil window on it wasn’t made to withstand that pressure down there but he basically didn’t care lol
@@edithandlez yeah you're wrong but nobody cares anymore.
@@camojoe83 lonely leftover troll cyberlsurping me
@@edithandlez they literally said both end bells are intact.
This is the best of the horrible possibilities. Running out of oxygen, being stuck on debris, stuck and floating just below the surface..... At least this was fast.
If they were stuck in debris, they might have been found
@@jellalleonard1089bro okay stuck in debris 2000ft in the water waiting patiently for a rescue, holding their breath 😂 sure thing and chickens have teeth😂😂😂
You really believe what these people are telling you? Yesterday they were hearing banging sounds at 30 minute intervals, now they're telling you the sub imploded and everyone is taking it as gospel.
@@dxlorean2938 I think being stuck in debris puts them at the site of the titanic... This means they would have been found as early as the day they got stuck and there would have been more than enough time to think up a way to bring them out seeing as they had 96hours of air and the submarine would still be intact. Just stuck
@@ghsense2626 it's more likely they imploded. The banging sounds and the site of the debris found are not close at all. ..
Everything this man said about steel/titanium is what I learned in school. They’re ductile, even if they fail they still provide some leeway. Carbon fiber is brittle, like cement. It either breaks or it doesn’t.
I was comforted by the fact that they didn't suffocate in a dark cold container...they didn't know what hit them. RIP
Cant blame the Titanic it was minding its own business...
can't wait to see james cameron's take on this in titanic 2
@@jaredrosenberg4965 So you saying Stephen King and Dan kubrivk are a joke to you?
@@jaredrosenberg4965 someone already made Titanic 2. The movie was so bad it was rated -10 stars.
They pay for they own dead .people can't pay Bill's and food they pay 250k each to got in they what idoit.
I would done the same! Let their poor titanic souls rest!
Its a miracle they found pieces of the vessel at all, let alone so fast
You're right. I didn't expect anything to be found.
The Navy knew the TITAN had imploded days ago and they passed the word along to the USCG. I don't know why the Coast Guard decided to keep it from the public, but we were all panicking for nothing all week long! 😮
When I first saw the sub yesterday I looked at it and thought why on earth would anyone get into that? It didn’t even look safe to begin with- nevertheless- this is extremely sad news - I thought they would have been found. Condolences 💐 to the families who have to deal with this heart wrenching pain
My thoughts exactly it did not look safe like at all.
The ceo refused to allow NASA to test it for fatigue with multiple dives which cause the fatigue. The ceo knew of the danger and because he didn’t have to get it certified he just took the risk and had customer sign their life away in gross disregard for the safety concerns that were brought up
As a mother, I would be relieved that it was quick. Rather than my son panicking for hours and hours. But so heartbreaking to loose a son and a husband at once. All the families at least know that their loved ones aren't suffering down there. Love to the families and to those who took the risk to keep searching.
The 19 year old is a Legal Adult
@@eugenemotes9921 still a son, my son can be 60 and me 90 and he'd still be my baby boy
❤
@@eugenemotes9921nothing written contradicts this statement, the son was never referred to as a child
That kid was terrified to go down in the first place. He went out horrified for his life.
Rest in peace. I wanted to say I'm very impressed with how fast they found the pieces. It's literally like finding a grain of sand in a haystack, God bless the troops and people who worked hard in hope of saving lives.
They actually found it pretty much where it should have been.
No because the exact location of the Titanic is known.
It did not take 5 days to find the pieces! Don't you find it odd that the "News" of their discovery was immediately after the oxygen ran out?
@@joannetyrrell364 Yep!
@@angieholt736of course, a government conspiracy😂
Dr. Brizzolaro obviously knows his stuff. Thank you for having him. I wish you would have let him talk more.
Glass was only rated for 1400 meters how anyone had the confidence to go beyond that 3 times is absolutely mind boggling
Well, that ended poorly. Condolences to the family and friends. Coast Guard guys can hit the rack. You know they bust their butts none stop on a rescue operation like this. I'm proud of those guys, good job. Salute.
Wow lol
Well, the upside is that at least two Rear Admirals got some face time with the networks.
I cannot imagine, going in a tiny vehicle like that, and hearing them close the door behind me??
And knowing you can't open it from the inside
...and bolting you in with a torque wrench 🔧
I’m got claustrophobic looking at the inside of it
And bolt you in.....
@@ZannyiiaWait, WHAT?? How did it open? & HOW would they have gotten out of it??
This was a bad idea to begin with,may they rest in peace and shout out to all who helped.
And the 19 year old aunt said he didn't want to go, that he was terrified, but he went for his dad. Now that is tragic.
I think it's time to let the titanic rest in peace with all her losses. Enough is Enough ~
I think it needs more exploration.
I agree, I have always said the area that The Titanic is, is a Graveyard for those we lost in 1912. It is NOT and should NOT be a tourist attraction for anyone. They have found it and made note of where things may lie so let it be. It is absolutely disgusting that carelessness, pure and utter greed for making money on these trips caused this tragic event. Enough IS enough
@@TheFrenchPug I'm sure people must be willing to explore again the Titanic after this tragedy that many saw coming.
Fine to explore more, but no more people down there! Not necessary and totally foolhardy
At least a dozen people are cluelessly spewing that same nonsense.
This happens when you cut corners.
especially when they were millionaires for god's sake
@@madlenrhys even worse bro billionaires*
Yeah same thing happens with everything cause billionaires control every aspect of our society and guess what: WHEN THEY CUT CORNERS THEY GET RICHER WHILE THE REST OF US CAN DEAL WITH THE CONSEQUENCES 🤬
@@user-ox7ir1lu4y Even better
@@user-ox7ir1lu4y true
I feel bad for the young guy 😢
Why. He's dead. He has no experience anymore. How about people feel bad for the ones who didn't die.
*This is really heartbreaking*
When OceanGate said they offer the full titanic experience, they really weren't kidding.
don't know if I should laugh at this or 😭
@@florence.066 We have to laugh! Three billionaires on a joy ride the CEO and a 77 year old pilot/ navigator who is obsessed with a rusty ship! 😂
@@michaelkline8842 billionaire. 1 was 19 so I doubt he had that much money
Literally
@@florence.066 laugh at the CEO's stupidity and arrogant attitude, but not at the loss of life.
Can u just imagine being obsessed with the Titanic tragedy & to study it your entire life. Then to met your death on the floor of the Atlantic Ocean, right by the ship u spent your whole life studying. Titanic’s story is now a part of their story. Their souls welcomed to the afterlife by all the souls that lost their lives so long ago.
It’s almost poetic, if it wasn’t so sad. 🙏🏼
I can only imagine how torn their wives/partners/family is.And if any of their family experiences regret for last said things. Or yearning for the lost experiences they could’ve had with the loved ones they lost.
It’s sad but sometimes things in life happen precautions or not there are things beyond our control sometimes
I agree ❤
I also agree. What a way to go. Atleast they did what they loved.
So many unnecessary rude comments on youtube.
I am and have been obsessed with the titanic since I was a boy long before it was found. If I ever have the chance to see it in person, I would. Without any hesitation. I agree it is sad.
"did you hear that?" - last thing someone said in that sub
honestly other than being found alive (but I think we all knew that this wasn't likely), implosion is the best case scenario. It means they didn't suffer when they died. If they had survived and were stranded, it would have been terrifying as they all sat together and waited out their deaths. They would have been very weak due to a lack of water, space, and food and not to mention slowly suffocating. We wouldn't have found them in time. It's better that they went quickly as opposed to suffering.
Im still in disbelief someone would trust a non certified, bolting you in from the outside, guided with an Xbox controller, piece of catbon fiber tubing to go that deep even once.
Don't put yourself in a situation where your life relies on glue. You can call the glue something fancy like "resin", but it's still glue, and carbon fiber is mostly resin.
Yes, "carbon fibre" is simply reinforced plastic, nothing more..
Gorilla glue would have been cheaper
Humans going that deep under water is just crazy. ROVs have given us great pictures of the Titanic. No need for people to actually go down there. It's a tomb afterall.😔
Just 5 more souls to add to the 1496 people who died from April 14th to April 15th, 1912, aboard the RMS Titanic, rest in peace.
The center section was carbon fibre, I think it doesn't fail slowly but just suddenly shatters when it fails.
I think the front and rear sections may have been titanium glued onto the center section.
There was also some question of the porthole preasure rating.
No questions now. It's intact in the front bell.
You are correct, the issue with carbon fiber, a woven material, is that it will weaken with prolonged use at high pressure and as the gentleman alluded too, would simply fail rather than deform like a traditional metal structure. It has since come out that recommended testing of the integrity of the hull was bypassed in favor of new technology that detects potential failure with laser scans rather than exposing it to external pressures until failure. This was seat of the pants engineering where careful and measured engineering should have been used.
@@tweak991 I'm not an engineer, but I would have questioned that from the get-go. Sad these men did not...
He had an alarm that was to sound when the carbon fiber tube was failing, which probably went off at the time of implosion. 😜
@@tweak991 I wonder if we're going to see similar failures in aircraft in the upcoming years. That said, the pressure difference between inside an airplane cabin and outside at altitude is much smaller than what occurred here, but there would be more pressure cycles with near constant use. You would hope it's been extensively tested, unlike this "craft".
What was it like? Experts say the air in the sub would have briefly heated up as hot as the surface of the sun as the hull flattened in 30 milliseconds. They never knew what hit them.
Do you know why it heats up to such temps?
@@grantorino2009Probably from the air being immediately compressed.
Their insides would have erupted through their skin like a spider that gets stepped on.
@@grantorino2009air getting compressed gets hot, it’s compression ignition, and how diesel engines work.the pressure of the water at these depths is like having the Empire State Building, made of lead on your chest
There will only be one survivor, and he will be a composite of four people, and have elastic skin.
The film will be called 'The Fantastic One'
Just saying.😏
I don’t care what anyone says about these men; I for one was praying for a miracle and held on to hope. I really wanted them saved. I can’t even imagine what they experienced when they died. I keep thinking of that 19 year old who lost his life. I can’t even fathom all this. 😥😥😥😥😥😥😥😥
They didn't feel a thing when the sub imploded within a nanosecond of a blink they were gone. When communications was lost that should have been a clue that something catastrophic happened.
@@kguerr197they lost communications every time they dove
The Navy knew Sunday they died. They picked up the sound of the explosion. I hate that the media kept this search and rescue charade up all week when they knew they were all dead.
We also need to think about the ethics of our fascination with the Titanic in general. Imagine if now, in 2023, a cruise ship sank and hundreds of people lost their lives. Would it be okay for a tour company to offer tours for people to gawk at the wreckage? The sinking of the Titanic was a tragedy. We have been desensitized to it due to Hollywood movies romanticizing the whole thing. Let us leave it in peace.
Actually, you have it on few places 🙄
and they ARE a touristic attraction
People, generally are obsessed with death and human tragedy - there won't be any religion if it's not the case
Before few days, the shark eat and dismembered tourist on the safe beach in Egypt. And they hunt her, killed her on the coast and she will be preserved for the Museum 😐😐
Many morbid things but they worked every time
The site of the twin towers is a popular tourist attraction as is Auschwitz..... Nice try though
This is ocean justice. They were desecrating the graves of the deceased, it is fair that the depths claim them also.
@@SGBass good god man --- desecrating?
How do you feel about the tours of Auschwitz?
You ever take a bolt in & out of the same hole a bunch of times?
You know physics hates that.
This is irrelevant in the case of inwards pressure.
Why would he say that we don't have equipment to retrieve pieces? We have brought many items from the titanic back to the surface. And we did it many years ago.
What may have led to "catastrophic implosion" of Titanic sub? Hmm, lets see, perhaps enormous external pressure on a poorly build submersible?
...and 36 previous dives weakening the structure.
Its like a big elephant climbing onto a plasic easteregg glued together with crazyglue. Insane!
THATS MEANS THE BODY EXPLODED 🤯 I MEAN SIMPLE AS SAID ITS SAD
I’m surprised a carbon fiber pressure vessel made so many trips before imploding.
I'm wondering if the titanium endcaps flexed and caused the leak or implosion?
I'm surprised they thought it would continue to dive without incident after ungoing all that previous stress.
The.glue finally let go.
Many? I thought it made 3
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Why did it fail , they went where we aren't supposed to go
Imagine being them and imagine what they was going through being under the ocean they must of been freaking out and screaming for hours and must of had no idea what to do that is so heart breaking and sad
The implosion happened in milliseconds. There was no "freaking out and screaming for hours."
They weren't freaking or screaming ... them being alive then dead was over in a 100th of the time of an eyelash blink !! 😏
Ignorance is what caused it.
Overused sub and safety issues?
And ego
Judgement clouded by ego
It is almost like the CEO was proud of what a POS the vessel was and how cheaply it was made.
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What I believe happened: the crew compartment imploded on its descent (causing the loss of communication) as it was still quite far from the seabed. The implosion could’ve caused the rounded endbell(s) to be blown out along with the entire rear of the craft. What was left of the submersible continued to disintegrate on its way to the bottom likely ejecting the remains of the crew and whatever was inside of the compartment. Since there wasn’t any sign of an implosion picked up by the buoys, it is likely that the implosion occurred very early on and is the reason that none of the supposed 7 safety features that were installed were not activated. (I am not an expert on this so don’t take this too seriously but from the information that I have this is the most viable conclusion I could come to)
The 7 feature safety system seems to have been utterly ineffective.....but maybe you are saying it wasn't even activated at the time of the implosion, so it all happened much less deeper than anyone expected? Interesting theory.
Your reckoning is quite accurate .. It happened on descent and lightening fast once the integrity of the sub was breached. The crew likely did not even have time to react. This brings peace actually ---
Sorry to say.. The submersible had sensor warnings of imminent hull failure, according to James Cameron. They had already dropped weight ballast and was attempting to surface. The absolute definition of FEAR!
The communications loss was expected as it occured on previous dives. That should have been resolved immediately instead of being considered normal.
Once they lost coms. it would be 4-6 hrs. before they were regained. Presumably why they waited so long (8hrs) before notifying authorities/rescue.
Just the thought of a carbon fiber and epoxy adhesive hull gets me!!!!!!
Thank you for your comment
I wonder why, with all that $$, they didn't just build the whole thing with titanium alloy?
Is it me or do these two interviewers speak ten times the necessary words to ask a question...which has largely already been answered? Who's working the teleprompter?!!
They're trying to sound intelligent but really have no clue.
Rest in peace to everyone that was onboard
I still cant believe that people are fascinated by this boat...
Some said a fortunate ending for an unfortunate situation. R.I.P to those on board
James Cameron gave insider info on why this happened and what happened before it imploded but the journalist cut him off.
They're bad to do that and getting worse. Reporters these days are so arrogant that they think everyone wants to hear them rather than the interviewee.
@@grantorino2009 That’s why no one can listen to mainstream anymore, they’re getting worse and worse every day. It’s not just the lying and fabricating, and the corporate control over them picking and choosing what is worthy of being reported; it’s also the rudeness, arrogance, egos and stupidity of these so called journalists, hosts and reporters, being more in love with their own voices, than allowing for their audiences to listen to their interviewees, precisely. Mainstream has become insufferable and unwatchable for every single reason! As soon as they start with their bs, I’m off to some Reporting TH-cam channel to get the actual professionalism. Rising is quite good, those kids are actual journalists, their professionalism actually makes me emotional even, cause it reminds me of when TV journalism used to sound and look like journalism. It’s making a come back on social media and putting these mainstream idiots to deep shame.
That was the best of the worst and I’m glad they didn’t suffer at all! 🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️
Idk, this seems like a horrific way to lose your life. Though probably better than the alternative of slowly freezing and suffocating. Either way, it’s the stuff of nightmares. I’m praying for these men’s souls.
@@hautemama85pray for the living…
Seems like being in such tight quarters knowing the outcome is suffering on its own.
@@Destroyer-Grizzly-BIH Wasn't it also dark inside? I cannot imagine.......
Sorry to say.. The submersible had sensor warnings of imminent hull failure, according to James Cameron. They had already dropped weight ballast and was attempting to surface. The absolute definition of FEAR!
They were instantly crushed to smaller than a pin head. Very tragic indeed
Good job CBS News on your coverage. You were up to the minute on this tragedy.
Carbon fiber has good tensile strength, not shear strength. They went down in an epoxy tank. Pure stupidity on the part of OceanGate. Carbon fiber makes great tanks when you put pressure in them, but they are useless for keeping pressure out.
I use to use carbon fiber to reinforce my RC jet plane's wings to withstand the high G maneuvers. It is extremely light weight with super high tinsil strength. But it was always to stop something from flexing. This tube needed to flex a little like steel does.
I love how the host asks a totally meaningless, empty question and then, as the “expert” answers, both of the host look down at their computers, not the least bit interested……
Where did they find these two women? Can they find a couple of anchors who are comfortable speaking without a teleprompter?
How far down was it when they lost communication? Does anyone know?
Man, if she would let him talk without interrupting him constantly that would be nice.
I know. The guy is seriously humble, too.
She can't. She's just can't.
Was looking for this kinda comment lol she was annoying
not having submarine veterans military and civilian helping with technical and physical limitations, titanium is readily attacked and weakened by oxygen, no way to properly clean the air, carbon fiber reinforced titanium tube???? the strongest part of this sub was the endbells... probably crushed in the middle popping off both end bells which explains the distance between them...good news is they probably died instantly before they had time to realize it was happening.
We are all spending sooo much time on a situation that none of us will ever have to worry about. Total bummer, but not something that will change anything in our day to day.
Great interview.
The woman asking the questions is rude and aggressive.
She wants to be the only one heard.
The same can be said about your comment. :D
@@jillionairessno, not at all
Whole world was rooting for a good outcome 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Actually the USCG knew all along that the Titan had imploded days ago. The Navy heard it when it happened and they told the USCG
If you look into the lawsuits against this company you'll see that in 2018 they had a whistleblower who announced that the windows in the front of the vehicle were only rated to withstand up to $1,300 m. This was criminal neglect and unfortunately the CEO died before he was able to face any sense of real justice. They've been gambling with people's lives for 4 years now for $250,000 a pop. The fact that MSM refuses to discuss this when, it's literally a legal case and the whistleblower can be found with documentation, just shows you that they're not willing to turn on their rich supporters or aggravate their rich friends
The submersible was not tested for such extreme pressueres. Hubris on the part of the CEO. I hope he had time to say "sorry guys" and there is some justice in the fact that he went with them
Aside from the dozens of previous dives it wasn't tested at all..
Least no more lives will be lost due to his penny pinching
Least no more lives will be lost due to his penny pinching
I wishn he had survived long enough to see what he had done or rescued and been charged with manslaughter. I hate that man and his company for this. They all have blood on their hands.
@@misselanys1219 which of the lost was your family or friends?
It was made of carbon fiber instead of thick solid steel, I wouldn’t trust carbon fiber at any depth, condolences to all the families and if this thing imploded they’re death was instantaneous!
Carbon fiber is best at strengthening a surface under flexing strength like a wing. But using it as the structure itself?
You're supposed to put a condom on when dealing with danger!
right. you have a clue about it.
The Titanic was supposed to be a sub and all they had to do was put a condom on it!
I work in a shipyard and that was my first question when I saw the hull.. it shouldn't take a genius and quality control to tell you how many ways a plastic soup can... can go wrong under water...
As much as this sucks, at least it was quick. My prayers go out to the families.
Condolences 2 the family nd friends of those lost🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
The story of the USS Thresher has always been my nightmare fuel. The Titan was as much as 10 times deeper when it imploded. 😧
Wow! I just read that last night because my oldest son was a nuclear engineer on a submarine during the Gulf War
Short of a comprehensive rescue of these five souls this is the best scenario. They didn’t have time to know what hit them. Much love and prayers for the families. Let them rest in peace.❤
I guarantee that kid was thinking about it the whole time. His aunt said he was terrified to go.
"Let them rest in peace.❤"......maybe those 5 should have taken that advice regarding the 1500 souls that Titanic already killed?
Actually at least one realized what was going to happen before it did, because just before the communications and telemetry got cut off abruptly, the pilot dropped all the sandbag weights in an attempt to rise as quickly as possible to the surface. There just wasn't sufficient time after the first sounds of the hull starting to fail for it to rise to safety; it imploded first.
On other videos they say that there was a call/signal that the Titan was falling too fast! So there was definitely some type of panic
@@TheFrenchPugthat intuition is crazy man.
Condolences to the Families who lost their loved ones on this expedition to the Titanic!. RiP🙏
The pressure wasn't being regulated as they were descending and i wonder what effects it had on them physically before the sub totally broke apart.... horrific.
“did these five lose their lives in pursuit of scientific discovery” Are you kidding??? Wtf!!!
You’d think it would only be good for a certain amount of dives. Airplanes wing structures and the part at the back that prevents pressure from caving in are only good for a certain amount of takeoffs and landings.
The problem is (like in aviation) you don’t know til you know. Rules and regulations are written in blood with aviation. Seems the same is true when it comes to deep sea exploration.
I think it would be easier to create a thick, walled, heavy submersible than a lightweight, strong airframe.
And the pompous CEO never had this certified There’s a quote on the website about not needing these “constraints” because his business is exploration! 🙄
they were warned several times, a worker warned them that the design and the material needed more exausting testing, among other security concerns... they CEO response was to fire the man. Also other explorers including James Cameron wrote to them warning them that it was unsafe and a terrible idea to use carbon fiber to go to such depths, that a composite material was a terrible Idea, they didnt listen.
There are interviews with the CEO of Oceangate last year in which he acknowledges the glass used for the viewing window is only built to withstand pressures upto 3000 metres. Despite advice from engineers, his arrogant attitude and lack of concern meant he ignored safety advice because a new viewing platform was, in his own words, "too expensive". It was at 2000-3000 metres that the vessel lost contact, therefore it's now clear to see what happened and roughly at what depth. Oceangate knew this over a year ago, and that's the part which angers me.
Hopefully we learn from this, so that more adventure tourists arnt fooled into risking their lives by men like Stockton Rush and his band of cavalier "explorer" engineers.
The first reporter speaks as if she is at a funeral. The second reporter does her job well
RIP to everyone who was on board 😢
Hii dear
How are you doing today?
I'm OK thankyou and yourself?
@@madzazmarland3785 Am fine dear
Thank you
Let Titanic rest in peace
NO! I want the remake. Maybe with Dwanye "The RooK" Jonston as JACK. And Keisha Grey as Rose. They could get into all sorts of trouble together.
@@jaystarr6571dumbazz
@@jaystarr6571I bet you they would recast Jack and Rose as one lesbian couple and most of the casts are transgender.
That lady asking questions should not have a job as a reporter.
That thing didn't even have an escape hatch and the doors had to be bolted shut from the outside. That means I wouldn't even use that thing to check some corrals near the shore.
The Titanic was jinxed from day one in 1912 and many people lost their lives, and now additional lives this part of the ocean takes. I will never understand why anyone would go in a sub that was never certified. One of the multimillionaires backed out at the last minute because it was not certified and said it never past all of the test. I am surprised it didn't crush like a soda can the first day after reaching that depth. The families are in our thoughts and prayers.
Well it wasn't really jinxed. If the captain had LISTENED to the warnings from his crew about icebergs ahead but chose to ignore it. Again that could have been avoided.
How could the company go ahead with the dive without a certified vehicle? How could the insurance company let them go? I know...profit. My condolences to the families of the departed.
No one was jinxed
@@adamant5419 How prophetic, if the arrogant CEO of the sub ironically named after that very ship chose to listen to the experienced safety engineers he fired to cut corners on safety regulations, he would still be in one piece instead of a million
@@eugenemotes9921 Okay, thank you. Have a blessed day.
It's ironic because it was almost the same problem with the Titanic. The Titanic steel material contained a lot of carbons which made the steel brittle and not ductile, which is the cause why the Titanic didn't withstand the collision with the iceberg. Now repeating the same mistake, the submarine faced the same destiny.
That's an excellent point. Learn from history or your bound to repeat it.
And it was glued instead of welded
I really think that area of the ocean is something to take very seriously.
Literally took out 2 vessels in the same area.
And the hubris of both captains.
@@summer8941can't weld carbonfibre 👍
The word that comes to mind is 'hubris,' and it cost multiple people their lives. Tragic indeed.