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I wander how Bondrewd was able to visit the Narehate village in the 6th layer with his Umbra hands and return. Also it seems, that is the only place to refine a white wistle. So Lyza and Ozen were there too?
@@Mark_o_Helm It always repeats that no human can return from the depths sixth layer, but also that Bondrewd is no longer human. He pulled out his white whistle and said "this is me from when I was human" and he sinks all the curse into his cartridges. But yeah I find that really strange how much of a big deal they make about no one returning from the sixth layer when Bondrewd himself did so numerous times. And there must be another place to beautify a white whistle just like there's more than one altar to make hollows. Perhaps it relates to the way the abyss seems to have stratified civilizations, like the layered praying skeleton tower. A two thousand year cycle.
many people don't realize everything he did to the children, he tested on himself first, but he realize it won't work because he is not a human anymore
@@featherfiend9095 Yeah, in the conversation about how he got his white whistle he said he gt the idea for the cartridges from his own experiments on himself
She was claimed "dead" Yet she tells riko to come down to her. You sont have to loose your body to "die". You can be considered dead if you no longer behave and act like a human. Nanachi can be considered "human", yes her apperance is that of a non human, yet she still has her sane mind. But the white wistles have gone thru thing, and this whistle has been sad to be the strongest and the one most curious of the abyss. She may have reached the point of no return, where most of the people dont consider her human, even if she still resembles one.. But thats just a stupud theory from me
I find it interesting how in the anime, all the monsters are cell shaded And animated with a lower FPS to make them feel more traumatizing.. And so is Bondrewd
The question is, is he a monster through the artists eyes so they make him similar to the monsters. Or does he think the only way to progress is to lose oneself and become a monster himself. Did He purposefully corrupt himself to appear like every other monster.
On the note of Bondrewd and Prushka, In a way, Prushka got her wish to have everyone go on an adventure to the bottom. Shes still with the group as the white whistle and Bondrewd can observe their adventure through Nanachi's eyes. So yeah in a twisted way she did get her desire.
@@youwhat. She touched the zoaholic before escaping with mitty but bondrewd didn't implant enough of his consciousness to take her over, just enough to watch through her eyes.
@@pain9999100 I don't remember when he said that happened, but Nanachi does mmake a comment in the elevator after Riko takes a dump that Bondrewd will see it through her eyes.
While Riko refused to sacrifice anything, the only way she and her friends could continue their journey was due to Prushka's sacrifice at the hands of Bondrewd.
Exactly. Riko isn't the smartest person in this manga and anime. I didn't like her at all because of her childish character and meaningsless curiosity. Bondrewd has goals that will make the world a better place. Imagine how the world could become if we could cure the mental retardation and demens. Those people who now have a meningsless, difficult life and who need dat and night care of others could be happy and healthy. They could work, they could take care of theirselves and plan their lifes as they wish. They wouldn't suffer that much because the understanding and accepting of many situations are the key to be happy.
Bondrewd has definitely been beyond the point of no return and back. The manga describes a time he visited the capital of the unreturned. It's not that he can't go deeper. It's just that he's more interested in experiments around receiving "blessings".
I'm not so sure, yes it's known that he has been there and back, but did he have to sacrifice one of his bodies to do so, goes down there, and then elevators back up becoming a blob hollow and switching minds with another body, since the way to cross layers is troublesome as was said in the 4th layer by an umbral hand. I think he is still experimenting with gaining these "blessings" so those who don't have the Zoahoalic will eventually be able to return as well. Some people think he's doing this for his own personal gain, but I don't think that's entirely true, sure it's fulfilling to him to persue his science, but he is sharing his discoveries with the other raiders as is discussed in the manga more than the movie.
@@malpheus4299 Yes, but it's almost certainly not worth the effort. It took him 5 cartridges (Or was it 4?) to ascend from the miniature garden of dawn to Idofront, which probably took ~5 minutes. We don't know how long it takes the elevator takes to ascend/descend, but I'd imagine it's at least 10 minutes, if not something like an entire hour. While it could just have been that the hollow activating the elevator simply took its time to reactivate it, Vueko said that it took a few hours for the elevator to return to the 6th layer. Even if we are being very generous, saying that Reg and Bondrewd's ascent back to Idofront took almost 10 minutes, and that the elevator only takes 10 minutes to ascend/descend, that's 4 or 5 cartridges, or 4 or 5 orphan children, per body he wants to take back. The more likely scenario is that he simply uses the cartridges to return to the elevator since the village is definitely not level with it, then puts all his gear into the elevator and allows all the bodies he brought with him to become cursed, recovering the goods and the hollow bodies afterwards.
So, frankly Bondrewd strikes me as being an incredibly optimistic and subjective nihilist. He's psychopathic but still feels empathy. If sacrifice and loss is part of how the abyss functions metaphysically, I think Bondrewd lost his regret. He can't MAKE any meaningful sacrifices anymore, and that might be his cruelest aspect. He gave up everything, not knowing he has nothing worth giving anymore.
hm..there you go..finaly someone thinks that its possible to have both :S psychopats dont have empathy..but you dont have to be a psychopat..you can only have the tendencies for it.. thats what i am :S i am psychopatic but i have too much empathy so i am actually considered a good man by people around me, since all i can ever do is help no matter how emtpy and full of hatered and despise i have for everyone..even my family and friends..
The interesting thing about Bondrewd is that compared to villains (and especially other 'mad scientists') from other series, he isn't deceptive or manipulative in the conventional sense. Clearly, he's amoral, but he still appears to go to great lengths to give everyone around him exactly what they wanted, just not in the way they expected. In the Bondrewd arc the three protagonists wanted to descend to the sixth layer, which they couldn't do without a white whistle. And Prushka wanted to go with them, but that would be very perilous in her human form. Bondrewd solves both problems, and suddenly he's the villain in all this?
I get what your saying but I hope you remember what he did to reg, and nanachi/mitty, and all of the other orphans who had nothing to do with riko and prushka's relationship. Although bondrewd has more layers to him and that definitely makes him unlike your traditional villain, he is still ultimately a villan that should be hated.
@@DrawinskyMoon the man did evil things without a doubt. But he didnt do them for the sake of being evil. A case of "the end justifies the means", the end being humanity's progress
TBH i LOVED the character, but hate his actions, this is due to most humans have a very similar concept of "good and evil" The things with "good and evil" is that they are subjective*, and once you remove what we as human call "humanity" then that subjective "good and evil" just vanishes, and seeing* a truly PURE character without humanity and with ambitions, nothing of what he does is "wrong". I self spoiled myself reading the wiki months ago before the movie droped and found him just the "bad guy" but god was i SO WRONG. He is without a doubt a fascinating character, i really enjoy "villains" that follow their own path, and are not just there in the story to be a foil to the hero, but are "living and breathing" character, with their own goals and ambitions. Its the same reason why i love the Phantom Troupe from HxH
As it seems, this movie asked a question about progress and sacrifice, and what is the red line when it comes to it. When do you stop, look at your actions, and realize how far you've gone. For both Riko and Bondrewd, it is never. Never have they done something that caused them to pause, and ask this question. Never have they looked back at the long way they have gone. Bondrewd has no one but himself to accompany him as an equal. All of his subordinates are at one point or another going to be his vessels, all of his children are lab rats. He loves them all dearly, but he is accountable to no one. Riko, on the other hand, is accountable to her two friends. Who saves her life, and guide her way. She may never look back, but they are there to keep her grounded and help her when she need. It helps show that accountability and balance are a needed thing. Science and progress could bring us forward and help our lives, but when do we say "the cost is too great"? Riko has the same curiosity for the abyss as the likes of Bondrewd, but she have people whom she regards as equal to stand in her way and stir her properly, while Bondrewd keeps marching on to the rising dawn, completely alone. He carries with him all of humanity, and all of his children, but he is their guide and the one progressing forward. Non of them can stop him and help redirect him to the more humane direction. But more than that, there is another, far worse layer. Bondrewd didn't lose in the end. He was never the villain, as he never stood in their way. The role of the antagonist is to stand in the way of the main characters and prevent them from achieving their goals. But Bondrewd never wanted to prevent their descent. He welcomed them in open arms, and while he took some liberties with reg's body out of habit, he did nothing to obstruct them on their way down. And after the second fight they had, as they continued downward, he waved for goodbye, and wished them good luck on their journey ahead. Put aside his twisted love, if he hadn't done these horrible things to nanachi and mitti, how would nanachi be able to save Riko's life when she entered the 4th layer? The answer is simple: Riko will be dead. How will our merry group descend even further without a white whistle made spesifically for Riko? They won't. How will they manage to bring Prushka with them when she is so frail? They can't. Bondrewd won. Out of his kindness, he prepared them to the journey ahead, and gave them the right tools to progress forward. While the duality of Riko and Bondrewd seems to imply that there needs to be something to stop you once you go too far with your curiosity and need for progress, the movie contradicts this out flat, by showing us that their only way to progress forward, was, in fact, Bondrewd's way. Which is a very grim, and twisted note to end the movie on.
Every time there is someone saying the next arc has things worse than the one I finished. And they seem to be always right. That scares me, like, what will come next after child cartridges? What could be more gross than that?
@@thatterrariaguidenpc8054 as long as Manga readers don't spoil something that isn't even related to the arc and wouldn't be possible to be known by anime onlys it's fine but some Manga readers are toxic as fuck and spoil things that happen 2626262 chapters further and then ask us anime only why we are complaining
@@maximberski5510 why are you even here lol the video was all about prushka, and considering that the movie has been out for a while, I don't think it is even considered spoiler no more lol
@@WeAreCookedBros Bruh this vid is literally one big spoiler If he didn't want to get spoiled then why is he here. Also if we can't talk about the Manga normally then you shouldn't talk about anime without putting spoiler warning because some people watch only in Dub and you are spoiling show to them
My view of Bondrewd is that the Abyss forged his pragmatism to razor sharpness. He didn't take on children that were wanted, he only took on souls that had been abandoned completely; that everyone else viewed as completely worthless. The more worthless the soul, the more overjoyed he would be take them on. I think if you were to ask him what he thought of people who moved through life without purpose and meaning, he'd probably remark that he can't view it as living at all. As such in his eyes, mind, and heart; he's giving lost unwanted souls glorious purpose and meaning, to forward knowledge and progress to help many people far into the future. He takes those with nothing and gives them purpose, and in his own twisted way maximizes their potential. For him the value of a life isn't in it's duration, but rather its brilliance; so when he sees a life shine brighter than even his own expectations he is honestly and truly overjoyed. Bowdrewd can only give so much value to the children he took in, and that value has to be through experimentation; but it's value nonetheless. The children of course also come to understand this as well, they were abandoned and unwanted; but Bondrewd wants them. Of course this is an extremely sad dynamic the world didn't offer these children something better, but the world is cruel; and the Abyss even more cruel still. Still at the end of the day they were given something, and they all wanted to give something back; even if it had to be their own lives. It's sad and cruel the dynamic: "All I can give you in return for all you've given me is my love and my life, is that enough?" Yet that's the core of what's presented.
This villain to me is one of the most well written villains of all time I love a villain that you hate but love and isn’t one dimensional but I think this show takes it to another level I had such conflicting feelings about him
There's nothing conflicting here: He hurts little kids, Torture and maims them and leaves them to suffer without a chance to die to escape. He is literally the definition of true evil. There's no Villain that comes close to Bondrewd. There's no redeeming qualities or any way to empathise with him. He can't even see where he's going wrong and even of he realises it he still continues in this ridiculous research of the Blessing.
His ambition and dedication to science makes me love him. But his view on love and his way of going about things make me hate him. But his love of his daughter is real and vice versa and that makes me admire him. Yet he continues to sacrifice children even if he loved them makes me hate him. He’s an amazing villain.
I have been itching to make an analysis of Bondrewd myself for a while, and I love seeing the way others interpret his character. I like how you pointed out the fact that he does indeed become a sort of twisted father figure to the whole party, he even gets to fulfill Prushka's wish to go with them in a roundabout way, as she joins the party with him watching over their journey the whole time through the eyes of Nanachi. This whole arc really makes you contemplate the whole setting itself and its effect on the characters within, while also providing an ominous foreshadowing, not only of the mental state of the other white whistles we might meet, especially Lyza herself, but the fact that we may be too naive in assuming Riko will be able to push forwards without sacrificing something of her own.
The abyss gives the form the person most desires.. Originally nanachi was smelly and considered ugly, so when she ascended from the 6th she became fragrant and cute... Similar to bondrewd He desired a something to deal with qcq The abyss gave him a tail. He desired to be more effective in combat, the abyss gave him claws He desired to climb better to help in his fight with reg, the abyss gave him powerful animal legs And at the end he desired nothing, so the abyss gave him beauty
@nasi goreng If you have to experiment and sacrifice children to go up and down a hole. Then its not worth going up and down that freaking hole. And what's this bullshit about him loving his victims being a redeeming quality? Freaking pedophiles "love" their victims too, but we all recognize that what they say is BS and that they are monsters.
when bBondrewd was fighting the children, he didn't use any of his " "combat" bodies or his most powerful artifacts, implying that he is way more stronger than he is shown, and can be truly troublesome when he is serious. This was said by one of the kids if I remember correctly.
It’s strange that this guy can commit such horrible things and yet still be able to genuinely care for the people he victimized. I’m not sure if he’s just so crazy that he’s sane or he’s just really got that “for the greater good” mentality down perfectly.
ozen is cruel at first glance but nice once you get to know her bondrewd is nice at first glance but cruel once you know him makes me wonder about the remaining 3
You know I was thinking recently about what I think of MiA. I was debating if it was really just shock value for the sake of it but now I really don't think so. Some pretty awful stuff does happen to children in this series but I feel that's what keeps the stakes high. It makes me hurt to see what's happening but that's the whole point. Some people dismiss the series because it "glorifies" the violence but in the end it's just a fantasy. This is one of the first pieces of animation that really makes me feel something. Thanks for explaining your interpretation of Bondrewed because it made me realize things that I had never thought about. Also Dawn of the Deep Soul was such an amazing adaptation of the manga!
All the violence in the series has a point, it isn't there just for shock value. The violence is there to show the brutal nature of the abyss, and in the case of the white whistles (Ozen, Bondrewd) to show what sort of distorted mindset it takes to truly dedicate yourself to exploring its depths.
@@thenew4559 Yeah, it's a bunch of children exploring a place that is out of human comprehension in every sense, including in it's dangers, of course we'd have to see some fucked up shit for the journey to feel believable in that sense, or else the series would have to hold itself solely on the exploration and mistery and not the danger of it.
The only thing that doesnt make sense is Akihito constantly testing the law on how much he can get away with putting his fetishes on his loli art on a seinen manga (HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH ITTTT). the dark stuff has a reason for it: It emphasizes on the sacrifices one must commit in order for the Abyss to reveal its secrets. Riko sacrificed a normal life so did Reg, Nanachi and Bondrewd sacrificed people in order to learn more (Bondrewd also sacrificed his humanity), Wazukyan [SPOILERS] and etc. It mirrors the beginnings of our science in our world. In the age of exploration, many sacrificed their lives to the sea and to the natives just to find out more about the world they live in, in the age of medicine grave diggers has sacrificed their morals in order to defile human corpses to thoroughly study the human body. If you want to continue on, you must give up something of equal value. The more you learn, the farthest you are from who you were before. But MiA tells us that we wont care, because that kind of thing will never stop our yearning for knowledge and exploration. The dark stuff that happens in this series are extreme examples of the theme on sacrifice.
Honestly the mere fact that he remembers the names of every child he's experimented on goes to show that he isn't inherently an evil person, he was doing what he felt he had to.
Wiz even so you can’t deny that he remembers each and every one of them. He could have disregarded all the memories but he didn’t. Even if his intentions are selfish.
@@phlaryx7145 Even if he disregarded them, that wouldn't mean he'd forget them. He'd still have to get to know them too maintain a consistent relationship with them. Please keep in mind there are a bunch of people that can do this effortlessly and do so with the explicit intention of manipulating people for personal gain.
Bondrewed was such a badass and the way he looked was super cool like his coat and mask is amazing not only the powers he has with them and the movie was so good too
Just like the guy above me said. It is said that Bondrewd brings a new dawn onto Abyss exploration. When he talks about the "Dawn" he means "new era". And just like he said on his first appearance in Nanachi's flashback, he will bring something newer and useful more than conventional wisdom and that's why he is "Novel". Sovereign of Dawn, Bondrewd the Novel.
(Writing this just as I start the video) So, this occurred to me today: the city around the Abyss Tis cruel towards children and conditions the orphans from a young age to become delvers, which’ll be exploited by their superiors whom won’t need to risk anything since the kids are treated as expendable. Knowing this, all of the fully grown delvers could easy have suffered from the cruelty of their forebears, thus creating a cycle of abuse that’s handled in three different ways. Bondrewd wants to know the Abyss’s every secret, becoming a pathway to ending the cycle swiftly. Ozen makes unpleasant comments to send delvers back up top so as to prevent them from warranting serious cruelty (you made it back up alive, that’s what counts). And a kindly gentleman whom treats his fellow delvers as his equals, trying simply to make their lives better. The Abyss attracts two groups of people: explorative and exploitive. The curious explorers delve deep in search of artifacts which’ll make them famous, if not just sate their curiosity, and the exploiters turn every explorer into a gold mine of future income. To condition those without families into a life of exploited exploration, would guarantee the corrupt into a future of lucrative trade and commerce. Those who have survived, those few who found their stride in the depths, have become less than human yet something more. A kindly old man who served as a library of knowledge more than as a person, himself. A beast of a woman capable of toppling armies, numbing herself to the pain any who *could* harm her would seek to befall her again. A monster of a scientist who respects his subjects as emotional beings and remembers their names, because someone Fucking has to. Do they even realize that’s what they’re doing? No, probably not. Bondrewd forsook his humanity and *would* sacrifice his men if it meant progress, yet there are limits that he must abide by for the time being, and so he treats each taken child as he wanted to be treated at their age. So many people hunted him only to fall into his sway, perhaps fellow survivors of abuse who see how his actions can lessen the abhorrent cruelty above, by giving the collected youths a different life altogether and still learning about the abyss. Ozen has grown desensitized to the horrors around her and revels in the depths, practically living there, away from the society which hurt her, and in the domain which they wanted so badly for her to roam. Scaring away future delvers, sending them back up, to their superiors with whatever Twas found and their lives intact, could be her own way of making them stay alive-unwittingly prolonging the misery they suffer high above. And a kindly gentleman who knows to treat others with kindness, a repository of information as he studies the depths, yet does nothing to halt the horrors above as he’s become too engrossed in the horrors below. In educating the youths, he empowers them to escape below, yet his kindness teaches them to wait when their superiors demand results. Unwittingly, he encourages the cycle to continue. Bondrewd’s method has the look of guaranteed success on paper, yet it comes with flaws as well. As I’ve come to see it, MiA Tis allegorical for the cycle of abuse and how it effects each generation. Rico’s been mistreated much of her life by the people who benefit from her delves into the Abyss, and to escape the abuse Doth she delve into a world wrought with things worse than her mind has known before. The deeper you go, the worse humanity becomes, and still she seeks to go further for she believes answers exist at the very lowest depths…when she never should’ve begun her journey, for her life has come to be surrounded by greater horrors than anything she would’ve known had she simply decided to remain home and learn how to handle the problems there, instead of bringing herself to the levels of evil she seeks to escape. Tis just my interpretation and I wrote this before jumping into the video, on the off-chance it talks about what I’m thinking.
Bondude is inarguably the greatest villains ever. His presence is menacing, yet also awesome. He's morally horrid, yet a character that you gravitate toward because of his demeanor.
The sick part of the bastard isn't, in my opinion, his experiments. It's how he views them. As his children. He loves Prushka and the others but for his obsession with science he'd sacrifice everything. It's terrifying to see someone who should be a lovable character that'd make viewers go "I wish that was my dad" instead become something that'd give Mengele and Shirō Ishii a run for their money in terms of depravity.
I find it very interesting that Bondrewd has some sort of link to the Norse God Odin: Odin is a relentless seeker of knowledge and wisdom, willing to sacrifice anything for this pursuit. Not only did he sacrifice one eye, but he did also sacrifice himself to himself by hanging himself from the tree of Yggdrasil and stabbing himself. This way he proved himself worth and the runes revealed themselves. He did everything he could do to find a way to prevent Ragnarok. Just like Bondrewd, a seeker of knowledge, sacrificed himself to himself to become a white whistle and find a way to prevent the disaster that occurs every 2,000 years. It's just something I noticed and might be a coincidence.
YES! EXACTLY THIS! I'm been trying to explain this for so long but you've gone and worded it so mucb better than I could. Really though, it's for all these reasons that Bondrewd's my favorite villain in media, and not enough people appreciate him.
I love how, in a sense, the first scene in which we see Bondrewd gives us a very clear picture of what he is like. And it also tells us a bit about what Prushka is like too. The time we first see him, he is monotonously walking in a line with his group, when Prushka sees him, her first reaction to this unnerving and inhuman sight is to immediately run towards him with her arms outstretched, showing that this armored man with an emotionless gait is normal to her. And when she hugs him, he returns it, but while not rejecting her embrace, he shows a minimal amount of enthusiasm towards it. As though he doesn't understand the desire for physical affection and is only entertaining her for the sake of it. He doesn't look like he's pouring any emotion or energy into the hug whatsoever.
The cruelness of Abyss is far more sinister than what Bondrewd orchestrated. His actions may seem the depth of evil for now but the abyss will tell its tale.
It's a really good anime. It's a good concept and it has a great soundtrack! The sad thing is that it'll probably be years until the manga gets finished.
The thing is that we can make himself love the children without caring about their well-being (a biiiit similar to Isabella from tpN who in the end did love the kids because she spent so much time with them)the problem here,is that bondrewd isn’t hurting from the loss of his loved ones,like for example nanachi did.He may love them,but his priorities are far from protecting them and his love he feels,doesn’t affect how he sees the world AT ALL.So he doesn’t seem to make any „emotional sacrifice“And the children don’t sacrifice themselves for him out of free will,because they never wanted to get in to this situation in the first place.
What I love about this sick twisted bastard, is how sincere he is. Sure, he targeted children who couldn't quite grasp what he was offering them, but he never once lied. Still, bondrewd can rot in hell.
You think when Riko and friends go down to the 6th layer and they encounter a more terrifying foe down there that Bondrewd might show up and save them? Since he also just wants to see humanity succeed in the abyss no matter what it takes
The few lines of Bondrewd being a loving evil father to prepare his children to a much more cruel and more evil than him legit made me teary… but cruelty is cruelty and pain is suffering, he may have done it for the right reasons but he still did some evil things. I’m sorry, this whole video just reminded me of my loving uncle who had the same circumstances that I couldn’t agree more
Bondrewd is my favorite villain of any media. His intentions are positive, but his actions are awful. His views are always positive, he never says negative things, and sees even the darkest things as improvement. He wants progress and can sacrifice anything for it. He sees past the trauma he is creating. It's just amazing, and I don't how how else to describe it
I love Bondrewd so much simply because of how he exposes people. You could easily judge the content of someone's character by their views on this character. They will argue, they will react emotionally, they will do all sorts of things to deny. However, Bondrewd is the sort of evil that is just tricky enough to make people that could become despicable at any time, expose themselves.
I'm astonished that you even included pages of the manga to proof true what you are commenting on. To make something clear: imagining oneself in the shoes of another - especially in those who are evil - is something everyone should do from time to time. if only to remind oneself, that each and every person has evil in himself/herself and under specific circumstances may very likely become pathological. Gratitude is the most important virtue and all others go alongside it. Thank you for this enjoyable watch.
Thanks for giving reason to that. My thoughts and feelings were split on that. I was deeply hurt and disgusted by the movie, but I was also deeply moved emotionally and I did enjoy it very much. You could litterally feel how something truly meaningfull was unpacked in an unarticulate manner through this story, but it was difficult to really point a finger to all the themes and motives that were questioned and discussed, while the story unfolded. Art has this peculiar ability to create chaos in seemingly locked categories of thoughts, which is both interesting and terrifying. But people who are able to analyze that, which was questioned and put back order into it, are just as magnificent and important. Made in abyss dives deep physically on the superficial story telling level, but simultaniously it dives deep into thoughts and meaning on a meta level. And if all that wasn't enough, that score from Kevin Penkin is just as much an interpretation of the story itself, as it is a tool for storytelling. 1am thoughts out on the internet again.
this movie was the most FUCKING DISTURBING thing I have damn ever seen in my entire life! He cut most of his daughters body off, and shoved her into a box!!!!! and She was screaming it hurts when she was in the box like dude OMFG put her out of her misery holy shit this was horrifying!!!!!!
I can’t say it was the most disturbing thing I’ve seen. At least after I’ve seen corpse party, until dawn and this other horror game from markipliers channel.
Bondrewd's love is empathy without the desire to self-sacrifice or change. It isn't simply that nothing will get in the way of his goals. A lot of toxic relationships are like that. It just goes to show... love isn't enough.
although bondrewd is undoubtedly a terrible person in his own right, his character itself is incredibly compelling, at least to me. it’s the same reason the pale king from hollow knight is such a compelling character, they will stop at nothing to learn about something and figure out a way to understand it, even if it means countless casualties. bondrewd is easily one of my favorite characters from made in abyss just because of how interesting and compelling his goals are, it’s *because* of how he sees his goals and conquers them.
I just finished the movie and then came and watched this video. You did an amazing job. This video was really well done and gives me a lot to think about while I sit up in bed unable to sleep.
@@PapaFunDip I thought he couldn’t go, cause he can’t use his white whistle since he physically has no connection to it. They explained that in the movie
@@Rustyybucket the movie also explains why he could use his white whistle~ just as riko stated, he sacrificed himself. riko wonder why could he used his white whistle because if the white whistle was once a different person not bondrewd. then when bondrewd switches to another body the white whistle wont respond to him anymore because bondrewd already merged with other people's conciousness. it seems white whistle can read other's consciousness signal through abyss's curse. so the white whistle wont desire that other person bondrewd merge his consciousness with but since bondrewd sacrificed his own body to actually love himself then the consciousness of what he became a white whistle will alwalys love the bondrewd he made copy of his own consciuosness thus making him able to use his own white whistle with other different body of his umbra hands. and yeah the side effect of using zoaholic beside seeing some sh*t and changes himself throught multiple of insanity...now he is unable to feels a true love, a desire to love like he used to before he turned himself into white whistle but his ambition still remain in his mind and a love he used to think of..only a memory while his heart is already inhuman(numb) thus he doesnt feel anything to even begin to think/feel like a human being. and thus he cant use his body to make his own cartridge as himself saying he's not judged as living being anymore....more like a robot that has memory of love ,care, and any emotions of what he had feel before.
The abyss is a metaphor for the constant tension between one's own desire and one's morality. The 6th layer brings to mind the notion that there are some transgressions that are morally irrevocable. That people cannot come back from. Think murder in crime and punishment. However it's not just the act that carries moral weight. Its the intention and capacity behind it. Bondrewd gave up his humanity and thus has freedom to transgress which is to say move about the abyss (thru relic sure). Innocent children were forced to transgress and lost themselves. However thru love people can retain their humanity thru this transgression. Which is why it works so well. If you transgress out of concern for another then perhaps your wish, that they benefit, may be granted. To go into the abyss is to give up all for your desire. But if your desire is something so synonymous with your humanity, then what exactly do you lose in its pursuit? Which is what we all wanna find out. So yeah i like this video because it keys in on what I view is an important idea behind the series.
This reminds me of tpN and Isabella.However Isabella was herself a victim of the situation,and at the end she still becomame more attached to them,and felt,despite how unhandy that was,sadness and regret. Yes,Isabella is a selfish person,but she never wanted all of this.Bondrewd himself chose to sacrifice everything and even made himself love them.He also doesn’t seem to be sad about it
There's a lot to be said about what has been written in human history regarding the mythos of delving into the underworld, and Made In Abyss is a very immaculate depiction of that
he reminds me of mother Isabella a little bit both having a love for the children they’re with but for their own means has them in sacrifice “for the better”
For those who are unaware it is shown in the anthology comics that Bondrewd is in fact able to go beyond the point of no return using Zoaholic as a lifeline to leave behind the body that he used to go down and return his mind to the body of another umbra hand not left below.
The interesting thing for me is, that most people seem to assume that Bondrewd sincerely loved the children who suffered through his actions. I think he didn't. The "love" he had for the children was a mere extension of his love for himself projected onto the children for the sake of his want.
Nah. His desires for progress are heaven on earth to him. He’d sacrifice himself if it seems logical. He’s tortured himself, remember. He’s experimented on himself as well. He does love them, and sees their sacrifice as being worth it. Think about how many people through history felt similarly. How many had children suffer horribly, and believe it was worth it for the sake their beliefs? It’s still love, just from very radical perspectives to what you and I may be used to.
@Imperial Watch Best for his experiment there's a difference. A Gold digger loves the person she is with because they have what she wants but once they don't have it than the love ends.
dude i started watching this anime 3 days ago thought its a nice show with colourful and joyful adventures. boi was i wrong. like everything became so gory after they entered the fourth layer. the moment Riko got poisoned the whole anime made a 360. i just watched the movie and dont even know how to feel. you want to hate bondrew but you cant feel hate towards him. You know he is a bad guy but he himself is not a bad guy. he is nice and caring yet he does such cruel things probably with a smile under his mask but not one of mischief but happiness. What an Antagonist. not a villain but an Antagonist.
But Prushka did know what he was doing. She knew that Bondrewd made kids into lunchboxes. Additionally, what do you mean Bondrewd was unable to enter the sixth layer. Belafu made it sound like he was frequently in the village.
@@tashawntaylor9860 That is a very common misconception, but the whistle is still just bondrewd's soul. He can use it just fine. He just can't use himself for cartridges.
I believe we even see panels of him with his praying hands. It's kinda funny that people believe Bondrewed would be stuck on the 5th layer when he has both an elevator to the 6th layer and the cartridges to use as a proxy for curse of going upwards. Even without Belafu's confirmation, it's a weird thing to overlook.
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I wander how Bondrewd was able to visit the Narehate village in the 6th layer with his Umbra hands and return. Also it seems, that is the only place to refine a white wistle. So Lyza and Ozen were there too?
@@Mark_o_Helm It always repeats that no human can return from the depths sixth layer, but also that Bondrewd is no longer human. He pulled out his white whistle and said "this is me from when I was human" and he sinks all the curse into his cartridges. But yeah I find that really strange how much of a big deal they make about no one returning from the sixth layer when Bondrewd himself did so numerous times.
And there must be another place to beautify a white whistle just like there's more than one altar to make hollows. Perhaps it relates to the way the abyss seems to have stratified civilizations, like the layered praying skeleton tower. A two thousand year cycle.
@@Mark_o_Helm b.
@@SkydreamerStudios He did it only because of this soul containing relic it besically makes him immortal when one bondrewd dies another shows up
Ah... I see what you did there. Good form sir.
Bondrewd's character becomes easier to grasp when you realise that he's extremely honest and genuinely means everything he says.
That makes him even scarier to me.
And just because of that I find it difficult to hate him
and also to point out that everything he is doing in ido front, ethical or not is solely for the purpose of humankind.
Enrique Castelo this is exactly why I have so many conflicted emotions about him
Daddy Bondrewd is anything but a liar
Bondrewd is best dad. He makes his kids lunchboxes and helps them become white whistles.
Omfg this is too good 😂
Yeah but its only meatloaf. I would get sick of that.
Aydan Mariano 😂
@@Jeangeneugene his kids are the lunchboxes😅
I mean hes not wrong.
many people don't realize everything he did to the children, he tested on himself first, but he realize it won't work because he is not a human anymore
@@featherfiend9095 Yeah, in the conversation about how he got his white whistle he said he gt the idea for the cartridges from his own experiments on himself
like a true scientist
@@featherfiend9095 p
Damn.
Actually, i think that's even better, because he tried it on himself first. Willing to sacrifice himself first.
Only issue was it Not working
Lyza's either going to be an angel or the most screwed up white whistle when we meet her
She's the only one with destruction in her name
@@keopsps3474 T H I S .
She was claimed "dead"
Yet she tells riko to come down to her.
You sont have to loose your body to "die". You can be considered dead if you no longer behave and act like a human. Nanachi can be considered "human", yes her apperance is that of a non human, yet she still has her sane mind.
But the white wistles have gone thru thing, and this whistle has been sad to be the strongest and the one most curious of the abyss. She may have reached the point of no return, where most of the people dont consider her human, even if she still resembles one..
But thats just a stupud theory from me
@@terra20209 the letter isint written by her btw
@@keopsps3474 i think its becuz if her pickaxe
I find it interesting how in the anime, all the monsters are cell shaded And animated with a lower FPS to make them feel more traumatizing..
And so is Bondrewd
I never noticed it
What a fucking eye you have my guy, ill have to watch the movie again.
The question is, is he a monster through the artists eyes so they make him similar to the monsters. Or does he think the only way to progress is to lose oneself and become a monster himself. Did He purposefully corrupt himself to appear like every other monster.
The monsters are suppose to be eye catching with how strange and beautiful they are. This is one of the reasons why I love the series so much
I don’t think they’re cel-shaded or 3D. But if they are and I’m wrong, very well done animation…. It seems drawn
On the note of Bondrewd and Prushka, In a way, Prushka got her wish to have everyone go on an adventure to the bottom. Shes still with the group as the white whistle and Bondrewd can observe their adventure through Nanachi's eyes.
So yeah in a twisted way she did get her desire.
Why can bondrewd see through nanachi again??
@@youwhat. She touched the zoaholic before escaping with mitty but bondrewd didn't implant enough of his consciousness to take her over, just enough to watch through her eyes.
@@Darkrai110 when did she touch the zhoaholic
@@pain9999100 I don't remember when he said that happened, but Nanachi does mmake a comment in the elevator after Riko takes a dump that Bondrewd will see it through her eyes.
@@Darkrai110 Nanachi never touched the Zoaholic. He's using a different relic to see through their eyes
You can never escape the abyss. Bondrewd never avoided the curse. To successfully ascend the 6th layer, Bondrewd abandonded his humanity.
Is.. Is this a jojo reference?
JK
Before you accuse people of abandoning their humanity, ask yourself this, have I ever ever truly embraced mine.
@@michaelsimmons9052 depends if you're talking about physical or philosophical humanity
@@michaelsimmons9052 before you ask that question, we should define humanity first. what makes human, a human.
@@alyyasserpranajaya3167 That'd be choice, will and accountability.
While Riko refused to sacrifice anything, the only way she and her friends could continue their journey was due to Prushka's sacrifice at the hands of Bondrewd.
Remember Riko was dead body, maybe she is also abnormal thing
They wouldn't have needed to though had he not done that shit.
@@BoostUnit she wouldn't have a white whistle then. that would be it. the journey's over, they're suck there forever now.
Exactly. Riko isn't the smartest person in this manga and anime. I didn't like her at all because of her childish character and meaningsless curiosity. Bondrewd has goals that will make the world a better place. Imagine how the world could become if we could cure the mental retardation and demens. Those people who now have a meningsless, difficult life and who need dat and night care of others could be happy and healthy. They could work, they could take care of theirselves and plan their lifes as they wish. They wouldn't suffer that much because the understanding and accepting of many situations are the key to be happy.
Bondrewd has definitely been beyond the point of no return and back. The manga describes a time he visited the capital of the unreturned. It's not that he can't go deeper. It's just that he's more interested in experiments around receiving "blessings".
Yeah, Zoaholic means he can almost freely move through the Abyss so he probably is more interested in the curse than anything.
I'm not so sure, yes it's known that he has been there and back, but did he have to sacrifice one of his bodies to do so, goes down there, and then elevators back up becoming a blob hollow and switching minds with another body, since the way to cross layers is troublesome as was said in the 4th layer by an umbral hand. I think he is still experimenting with gaining these "blessings" so those who don't have the Zoahoalic will eventually be able to return as well. Some people think he's doing this for his own personal gain, but I don't think that's entirely true, sure it's fulfilling to him to persue his science, but he is sharing his discoveries with the other raiders as is discussed in the manga more than the movie.
@@demiviral95 he can use cartridges to off set the ascent back up instead of zoaholic.
@@malpheus4299 Yes, but it's almost certainly not worth the effort. It took him 5 cartridges (Or was it 4?) to ascend from the miniature garden of dawn to Idofront, which probably took ~5 minutes. We don't know how long it takes the elevator takes to ascend/descend, but I'd imagine it's at least 10 minutes, if not something like an entire hour. While it could just have been that the hollow activating the elevator simply took its time to reactivate it, Vueko said that it took a few hours for the elevator to return to the 6th layer. Even if we are being very generous, saying that Reg and Bondrewd's ascent back to Idofront took almost 10 minutes, and that the elevator only takes 10 minutes to ascend/descend, that's 4 or 5 cartridges, or 4 or 5 orphan children, per body he wants to take back.
The more likely scenario is that he simply uses the cartridges to return to the elevator since the village is definitely not level with it, then puts all his gear into the elevator and allows all the bodies he brought with him to become cursed, recovering the goods and the hollow bodies afterwards.
"Riko never sacrifices the ones she loves."
Yet.
eclipse moment
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....can ya noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot
>:C
Oh no I don't wanna know
I don't think she will ever sacrifice anything to continue her adventure, bitch has too much plot armor.
So, frankly Bondrewd strikes me as being an incredibly optimistic and subjective nihilist. He's psychopathic but still feels empathy. If sacrifice and loss is part of how the abyss functions metaphysically, I think Bondrewd lost his regret. He can't MAKE any meaningful sacrifices anymore, and that might be his cruelest aspect. He gave up everything, not knowing he has nothing worth giving anymore.
hm..there you go..finaly someone thinks that its possible to have both :S psychopats dont have empathy..but you dont have to be a psychopat..you can only have the tendencies for it.. thats what i am :S i am psychopatic but i have too much empathy so i am actually considered a good man by people around me, since all i can ever do is help no matter how emtpy and full of hatered and despise i have for everyone..even my family and friends..
@@darkodarko9 Nature vs nurture
Psychopaths copy the emotions of others to be seen as normal. There are great psychopaths in society nobody knows about-
Then it is sociopathic and not psychopathic since you said he still feels empathy
@@darkodarko9 are you trying to say that you have antisocial tendencies?
The interesting thing about Bondrewd is that compared to villains (and especially other 'mad scientists') from other series, he isn't deceptive or manipulative in the conventional sense. Clearly, he's amoral, but he still appears to go to great lengths to give everyone around him exactly what they wanted, just not in the way they expected. In the Bondrewd arc the three protagonists wanted to descend to the sixth layer, which they couldn't do without a white whistle. And Prushka wanted to go with them, but that would be very perilous in her human form. Bondrewd solves both problems, and suddenly he's the villain in all this?
I get what your saying but I hope you remember what he did to reg, and nanachi/mitty, and all of the other orphans who had nothing to do with riko and prushka's relationship. Although bondrewd has more layers to him and that definitely makes him unlike your traditional villain, he is still ultimately a villan that should be hated.
@@anything8953 Idk about should be hated but definitely cautious of
Idk being strapped butt naked on a cold Table while having your body being manipulated seems pretty evil to me.
@@DrawinskyMoon the man did evil things without a doubt. But he didnt do them for the sake of being evil. A case of "the end justifies the means", the end being humanity's progress
TBH i LOVED the character, but hate his actions, this is due to most humans have a very similar concept of "good and evil"
The things with "good and evil" is that they are subjective*, and once you remove what we as human call "humanity" then that subjective "good and evil" just vanishes, and seeing* a truly PURE character without humanity and with ambitions, nothing of what he does is "wrong".
I self spoiled myself reading the wiki months ago before the movie droped and found him just the "bad guy" but god was i SO WRONG.
He is without a doubt a fascinating character, i really enjoy "villains" that follow their own path, and are not just there in the story to be a foil to the hero, but are "living and breathing" character, with their own goals and ambitions.
Its the same reason why i love the Phantom Troupe from HxH
finally, an actual character analysis, not just a 50min synopsis of the series
As it seems, this movie asked a question about progress and sacrifice, and what is the red line when it comes to it.
When do you stop, look at your actions, and realize how far you've gone.
For both Riko and Bondrewd, it is never.
Never have they done something that caused them to pause, and ask this question.
Never have they looked back at the long way they have gone.
Bondrewd has no one but himself to accompany him as an equal. All of his subordinates are at one point or another going to be his vessels, all of his children are lab rats.
He loves them all dearly, but he is accountable to no one.
Riko, on the other hand, is accountable to her two friends.
Who saves her life, and guide her way. She may never look back, but they are there to keep her grounded and help her when she need.
It helps show that accountability and balance are a needed thing.
Science and progress could bring us forward and help our lives, but when do we say "the cost is too great"?
Riko has the same curiosity for the abyss as the likes of Bondrewd, but she have people whom she regards as equal to stand in her way and stir her properly, while Bondrewd keeps marching on to the rising dawn, completely alone. He carries with him all of humanity, and all of his children, but he is their guide and the one progressing forward. Non of them can stop him and help redirect him to the more humane direction.
But more than that, there is another, far worse layer.
Bondrewd didn't lose in the end. He was never the villain, as he never stood in their way.
The role of the antagonist is to stand in the way of the main characters and prevent them from achieving their goals. But Bondrewd never wanted to prevent their descent. He welcomed them in open arms, and while he took some liberties with reg's body out of habit, he did nothing to obstruct them on their way down. And after the second fight they had, as they continued downward, he waved for goodbye, and wished them good luck on their journey ahead.
Put aside his twisted love, if he hadn't done these horrible things to nanachi and mitti, how would nanachi be able to save Riko's life when she entered the 4th layer?
The answer is simple: Riko will be dead.
How will our merry group descend even further without a white whistle made spesifically for Riko? They won't.
How will they manage to bring Prushka with them when she is so frail?
They can't.
Bondrewd won.
Out of his kindness, he prepared them to the journey ahead, and gave them the right tools to progress forward.
While the duality of Riko and Bondrewd seems to imply that there needs to be something to stop you once you go too far with your curiosity and need for progress, the movie contradicts this out flat, by showing us that their only way to progress forward, was, in fact, Bondrewd's way.
Which is a very grim, and twisted note to end the movie on.
Holly dam this comment made me think hardered then I thought it woud...applause...you desserve way more likes 👍
@@chara7054 oh, wow, thanks!
Usually I ramble on with essays no one sees, so it's nice to know someone appreciated the time I took to write it
In the next arc: My mom was forced to feed people with my siblings
Yeah. Made in Abyss in general is a great story about relatable family issues XD
This prushka thing is not even on par of the next arc . Urrrgh makes me vomit
THIS COMMENT MADE ME WHEEZE
Made in Abyss just gets darker every time a new chapter is out.
It's heartbreaking and terrifying but I love it so much
i am NOT ready for that to be animated,, it’s gonna be gross
Every time there is someone saying the next arc has things worse than the one I finished. And they seem to be always right. That scares me, like, what will come next after child cartridges? What could be more gross than that?
Prushka: Hey Riko! I want to be a white whistle just like you!
Riko: Heck yeah!
Manga readers: *sweats nervously*
why you manga readers gotta spoil stuff all the time...
@@maximberski5510 its not my fault you went to the comments not expecting any spoilers
@@thatterrariaguidenpc8054 as long as Manga readers don't spoil something that isn't even related to the arc and wouldn't be possible to be known by anime onlys it's fine but some Manga readers are toxic as fuck and spoil things that happen 2626262 chapters further and then ask us anime only why we are complaining
@@maximberski5510 why are you even here lol the video was all about prushka, and considering that the movie has been out for a while, I don't think it is even considered spoiler no more lol
@@WeAreCookedBros Bruh this vid is literally one big spoiler If he didn't want to get spoiled then why is he here. Also if we can't talk about the Manga normally then you shouldn't talk about anime without putting spoiler warning because some people watch only in Dub and you are spoiling show to them
My view of Bondrewd is that the Abyss forged his pragmatism to razor sharpness. He didn't take on children that were wanted, he only took on souls that had been abandoned completely; that everyone else viewed as completely worthless. The more worthless the soul, the more overjoyed he would be take them on. I think if you were to ask him what he thought of people who moved through life without purpose and meaning, he'd probably remark that he can't view it as living at all. As such in his eyes, mind, and heart; he's giving lost unwanted souls glorious purpose and meaning, to forward knowledge and progress to help many people far into the future.
He takes those with nothing and gives them purpose, and in his own twisted way maximizes their potential. For him the value of a life isn't in it's duration, but rather its brilliance; so when he sees a life shine brighter than even his own expectations he is honestly and truly overjoyed. Bowdrewd can only give so much value to the children he took in, and that value has to be through experimentation; but it's value nonetheless. The children of course also come to understand this as well, they were abandoned and unwanted; but Bondrewd wants them. Of course this is an extremely sad dynamic the world didn't offer these children something better, but the world is cruel; and the Abyss even more cruel still. Still at the end of the day they were given something, and they all wanted to give something back; even if it had to be their own lives. It's sad and cruel the dynamic: "All I can give you in return for all you've given me is my love and my life, is that enough?" Yet that's the core of what's presented.
This villain to me is one of the most well written villains of all time I love a villain that you hate but love and isn’t one dimensional but I think this show takes it to another level I had such conflicting feelings about him
Handsome Jack
wtf why do u kids all love them
There's nothing conflicting here: He hurts little kids, Torture and maims them and leaves them to suffer without a chance to die to escape. He is literally the definition of true evil. There's no Villain that comes close to Bondrewd. There's no redeeming qualities or any way to empathise with him. He can't even see where he's going wrong and even of he realises it he still continues in this ridiculous research of the Blessing.
Love is a strong word I would say it’s more like I like his character
@@asandax6 your right bit can’t help that I don’t hate him I want to hate him but I can’t 🤷🏾 his character is just written to well
Bondrewd is one of those villains who you're supposed to really hate, but one you still really love in the end. You know what I mean?
Kind of? Like I find him interesting and he's an awesome villain, but still, what he did really made my blood boil.
No not at all
He made me confused... but I genuinely like him.
I don't like him, I just like his costumes
His ambition and dedication to science makes me love him.
But his view on love and his way of going about things make me hate him.
But his love of his daughter is real and vice versa and that makes me admire him.
Yet he continues to sacrifice children even if he loved them makes me hate him.
He’s an amazing villain.
I have been itching to make an analysis of Bondrewd myself for a while, and I love seeing the way others interpret his character. I like how you pointed out the fact that he does indeed become a sort of twisted father figure to the whole party, he even gets to fulfill Prushka's wish to go with them in a roundabout way, as she joins the party with him watching over their journey the whole time through the eyes of Nanachi.
This whole arc really makes you contemplate the whole setting itself and its effect on the characters within, while also providing an ominous foreshadowing, not only of the mental state of the other white whistles we might meet, especially Lyza herself, but the fact that we may be too naive in assuming Riko will be able to push forwards without sacrificing something of her own.
Prushka: I wanna be a white whistle!
Bondrewd: k.
Omg I just realized if all Narehate gain a form that they desired, then Bondrewd just wanted to be fluffy and cute like Nanachi x33
Isn't it actually the opposite
Sharp claws….. disgusting eye balls….. yes yes I see.
The abyss gives the form the person most desires..
Originally nanachi was smelly and considered ugly, so when she ascended from the 6th she became fragrant and cute...
Similar to bondrewd
He desired a something to deal with qcq
The abyss gave him a tail.
He desired to be more effective in combat, the abyss gave him claws
He desired to climb better to help in his fight with reg, the abyss gave him powerful animal legs
And at the end he desired nothing, so the abyss gave him beauty
@@kyletempura748 that’s some good theory! (Or was it written in the made in abyss manga volume 10?)
@@kyletempura748 he already had a tail, it was a relic but i think due to the blessing it made it better
The Most Hated Hero. And At the Same time, Most Loved Villain.
Amen
Bruh this is the only anime I won't let my Mom see well the only Non😏 Anime.
what do you mean, hated hero, he's such a loveable hero and a sympathetic character
@@shadowmasterking6542 yeah he's so kind, toturing all those children 😌
@nasi goreng If you have to experiment and sacrifice children to go up and down a hole. Then its not worth going up and down that freaking hole. And what's this bullshit about him loving his victims being a redeeming quality? Freaking pedophiles "love" their victims too, but we all recognize that what they say is BS and that they are monsters.
when bBondrewd was fighting the children, he didn't use any of his " "combat" bodies or his most powerful artifacts, implying that he is way more stronger than he is shown, and can be truly troublesome when he is serious. This was said by one of the kids if I remember correctly.
Apparently, it also wasn't his strongest "body".
@@jakomioftherose2434wouldn’t there be a chance bondrewd is still alive technically because of the other bodies?
@@The_Biggest_Hater.he is alive
@@The1andonlyquan oh ok makes sense
no1 dad of all time
It’s strange that this guy can commit such horrible things and yet still be able to genuinely care for the people he victimized. I’m not sure if he’s just so crazy that he’s sane or he’s just really got that “for the greater good” mentality down perfectly.
Bondrewd is pretty much one of the best written fictional villians
ozen is cruel at first glance but nice once you get to know her
bondrewd is nice at first glance but cruel once you know him
makes me wonder about the remaining 3
3? u mean 2
@@Kelseymaya
We didn't see reco's mother yet and how the obsession with the apyss affected her
You know I was thinking recently about what I think of MiA. I was debating if it was really just shock value for the sake of it but now I really don't think so. Some pretty awful stuff does happen to children in this series but I feel that's what keeps the stakes high. It makes me hurt to see what's happening but that's the whole point. Some people dismiss the series because it "glorifies" the violence but in the end it's just a fantasy. This is one of the first pieces of animation that really makes me feel something. Thanks for explaining your interpretation of Bondrewed because it made me realize things that I had never thought about. Also Dawn of the Deep Soul was such an amazing adaptation of the manga!
All the violence in the series has a point, it isn't there just for shock value. The violence is there to show the brutal nature of the abyss, and in the case of the white whistles (Ozen, Bondrewd) to show what sort of distorted mindset it takes to truly dedicate yourself to exploring its depths.
@@thenew4559 Yeah, it's a bunch of children exploring a place that is out of human comprehension in every sense, including in it's dangers, of course we'd have to see some fucked up shit for the journey to feel believable in that sense, or else the series would have to hold itself solely on the exploration and mistery and not the danger of it.
The only thing that doesnt make sense is Akihito constantly testing the law on how much he can get away with putting his fetishes on his loli art on a seinen manga (HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH ITTTT). the dark stuff has a reason for it:
It emphasizes on the sacrifices one must commit in order for the Abyss to reveal its secrets. Riko sacrificed a normal life so did Reg, Nanachi and Bondrewd sacrificed people in order to learn more (Bondrewd also sacrificed his humanity), Wazukyan [SPOILERS] and etc. It mirrors the beginnings of our science in our world. In the age of exploration, many sacrificed their lives to the sea and to the natives just to find out more about the world they live in, in the age of medicine grave diggers has sacrificed their morals in order to defile human corpses to thoroughly study the human body.
If you want to continue on, you must give up something of equal value. The more you learn, the farthest you are from who you were before. But MiA tells us that we wont care, because that kind of thing will never stop our yearning for knowledge and exploration. The dark stuff that happens in this series are extreme examples of the theme on sacrifice.
I know Bondrewd did horrible things but I still can’t help but love the guy.
Honestly the mere fact that he remembers the names of every child he's experimented on goes to show that he isn't inherently an evil person, he was doing what he felt he had to.
Erin Spruill yeah right! Not only does he remember each of their names, but their dreams and what they wanted to be. Such a well written character.
@@phlaryx7145 I feel that's only because he was trying to force a bond with them as to get the blessing from the abyss..
Wiz even so you can’t deny that he remembers each and every one of them. He could have disregarded all the memories but he didn’t. Even if his intentions are selfish.
@@phlaryx7145 Even if he disregarded them, that wouldn't mean he'd forget them. He'd still have to get to know them too maintain a consistent relationship with them. Please keep in mind there are a bunch of people that can do this effortlessly and do so with the explicit intention of manipulating people for personal gain.
Bondrewed was such a badass and the way he looked was super cool like his coat and mask is amazing not only the powers he has with them and the movie was so good too
I wonder how white whistles got their nicknames. How Bondrewd is "Lord of Dawn" when he chooses to live almost exclusively in the 5th layer?
His whole theming is that he’s going to “bring dawn to the Abyss” with his discoveries
Just like the guy above me said.
It is said that Bondrewd brings a new dawn onto Abyss exploration. When he talks about the "Dawn" he means "new era". And just like he said on his first appearance in Nanachi's flashback, he will bring something newer and useful more than conventional wisdom and that's why he is "Novel".
Sovereign of Dawn, Bondrewd the Novel.
@@megugu2155 leaves one to wonder how wakuna was "chosen" and became the Sovereign of guidance
Curses can be transferred
Step 1: Descend into the Abyss
Step 2: Cover yourself in children
Step 3: Furry
Bondrewd is such a badass and the rare , not edgy , kind. My mans made a white whistle from himself TO himself with love xD
All-loving man
This guy makes the Shou Tucker look like an angel.
He is so twisted and has no morals to the point he sacrificed his own original body and everything he held dear.
Bondrewd is more of an monster than Tucker from Fullmetal Alchemist
Tucker is not that bad
Tucker was a desperate scoundrel. Bondrewd's despicable actions were birthed from a brilliant, determined will
Well, Tucker is just petty, greedy and selfish. That may make him evil, but he is not as batshit insane as Bondrewd.
Bondrewd is 100x worse
Tucker is bad but compare to Bondrewd he is a fucking saint lol
(Writing this just as I start the video)
So, this occurred to me today: the city around the Abyss Tis cruel towards children and conditions the orphans from a young age to become delvers, which’ll be exploited by their superiors whom won’t need to risk anything since the kids are treated as expendable.
Knowing this, all of the fully grown delvers could easy have suffered from the cruelty of their forebears, thus creating a cycle of abuse that’s handled in three different ways. Bondrewd wants to know the Abyss’s every secret, becoming a pathway to ending the cycle swiftly. Ozen makes unpleasant comments to send delvers back up top so as to prevent them from warranting serious cruelty (you made it back up alive, that’s what counts). And a kindly gentleman whom treats his fellow delvers as his equals, trying simply to make their lives better.
The Abyss attracts two groups of people: explorative and exploitive. The curious explorers delve deep in search of artifacts which’ll make them famous, if not just sate their curiosity, and the exploiters turn every explorer into a gold mine of future income. To condition those without families into a life of exploited exploration, would guarantee the corrupt into a future of lucrative trade and commerce. Those who have survived, those few who found their stride in the depths, have become less than human yet something more. A kindly old man who served as a library of knowledge more than as a person, himself. A beast of a woman capable of toppling armies, numbing herself to the pain any who *could* harm her would seek to befall her again. A monster of a scientist who respects his subjects as emotional beings and remembers their names, because someone Fucking has to.
Do they even realize that’s what they’re doing? No, probably not. Bondrewd forsook his humanity and *would* sacrifice his men if it meant progress, yet there are limits that he must abide by for the time being, and so he treats each taken child as he wanted to be treated at their age. So many people hunted him only to fall into his sway, perhaps fellow survivors of abuse who see how his actions can lessen the abhorrent cruelty above, by giving the collected youths a different life altogether and still learning about the abyss.
Ozen has grown desensitized to the horrors around her and revels in the depths, practically living there, away from the society which hurt her, and in the domain which they wanted so badly for her to roam. Scaring away future delvers, sending them back up, to their superiors with whatever Twas found and their lives intact, could be her own way of making them stay alive-unwittingly prolonging the misery they suffer high above.
And a kindly gentleman who knows to treat others with kindness, a repository of information as he studies the depths, yet does nothing to halt the horrors above as he’s become too engrossed in the horrors below. In educating the youths, he empowers them to escape below, yet his kindness teaches them to wait when their superiors demand results. Unwittingly, he encourages the cycle to continue.
Bondrewd’s method has the look of guaranteed success on paper, yet it comes with flaws as well. As I’ve come to see it, MiA Tis allegorical for the cycle of abuse and how it effects each generation. Rico’s been mistreated much of her life by the people who benefit from her delves into the Abyss, and to escape the abuse Doth she delve into a world wrought with things worse than her mind has known before. The deeper you go, the worse humanity becomes, and still she seeks to go further for she believes answers exist at the very lowest depths…when she never should’ve begun her journey, for her life has come to be surrounded by greater horrors than anything she would’ve known had she simply decided to remain home and learn how to handle the problems there, instead of bringing herself to the levels of evil she seeks to escape.
Tis just my interpretation and I wrote this before jumping into the video, on the off-chance it talks about what I’m thinking.
yeah he's not evil , he's just batshit insane though genuinely honest
Bondude is inarguably the greatest villains ever. His presence is menacing, yet also awesome. He's morally horrid, yet a character that you gravitate toward because of his demeanor.
The sick part of the bastard isn't, in my opinion, his experiments. It's how he views them. As his children. He loves Prushka and the others but for his obsession with science he'd sacrifice everything. It's terrifying to see someone who should be a lovable character that'd make viewers go "I wish that was my dad" instead become something that'd give Mengele and Shirō Ishii a run for their money in terms of depravity.
I find it very interesting that Bondrewd has some sort of link to the Norse God Odin: Odin is a relentless seeker of knowledge and wisdom, willing to sacrifice anything for this pursuit. Not only did he sacrifice one eye, but he did also sacrifice himself to himself by hanging himself from the tree of Yggdrasil and stabbing himself. This way he proved himself worth and the runes revealed themselves. He did everything he could do to find a way to prevent Ragnarok. Just like Bondrewd, a seeker of knowledge, sacrificed himself to himself to become a white whistle and find a way to prevent the disaster that occurs every 2,000 years.
It's just something I noticed and might be a coincidence.
YES! EXACTLY THIS! I'm been trying to explain this for so long but you've gone and worded it so mucb better than I could. Really though, it's for all these reasons that Bondrewd's my favorite villain in media, and not enough people appreciate him.
I love how, in a sense, the first scene in which we see Bondrewd gives us a very clear picture of what he is like.
And it also tells us a bit about what Prushka is like too.
The time we first see him, he is monotonously walking in a line with his group, when Prushka sees him, her first reaction to this unnerving and inhuman sight is to immediately run towards him with her arms outstretched, showing that this armored man with an emotionless gait is normal to her.
And when she hugs him, he returns it, but while not rejecting her embrace, he shows a minimal amount of enthusiasm towards it. As though he doesn't understand the desire for physical affection and is only entertaining her for the sake of it.
He doesn't look like he's pouring any emotion or energy into the hug whatsoever.
Bondrewd is amazing, a villain that had done horrible irredeemable things but is written in a way that makes him hard to hate. Bravo.
The cruelness of Abyss is far more sinister than what Bondrewd orchestrated. His actions may seem the depth of evil for now but the abyss will tell its tale.
Man Bondrewd's voice is music to my ears, that may be one of the reasons why I can't come to hate him
Never heard of Made in Abyss and was not expecting any of this shit lol. Makes me want to invest time into it now.
Fantastic video Wut
The show is genuinely among my Top 5 Anime of the 2010s. It's incredible.
Watch it dude. Its great.
It's a really good anime. It's a good concept and it has a great soundtrack! The sad thing is that it'll probably be years until the manga gets finished.
@@StarClay666 Berserk fans: First time?
@@StarClay666 season 2 was supposed to be released two months ago, but it was postponed due to Corona and God knows when it will come out now.
The saddest thing really is that bondrewd loves everyone of his children..
The thing is that we can make himself love the children without caring about their well-being (a biiiit similar to Isabella from tpN who in the end did love the kids because she spent so much time with them)the problem here,is that bondrewd isn’t hurting from the loss of his loved ones,like for example nanachi did.He may love them,but his priorities are far from protecting them and his love he feels,doesn’t affect how he sees the world AT ALL.So he doesn’t seem to make any „emotional sacrifice“And the children don’t sacrifice themselves for him out of free will,because they never wanted to get in to this situation in the first place.
What I love about this sick twisted bastard, is how sincere he is. Sure, he targeted children who couldn't quite grasp what he was offering them, but he never once lied. Still, bondrewd can rot in hell.
You think when Riko and friends go down to the 6th layer and they encounter a more terrifying foe down there that Bondrewd might show up and save them? Since he also just wants to see humanity succeed in the abyss no matter what it takes
If he finds a way to descend, then yes.
@@murilopenagoncalves3831 he can descen but he can't ascend
@@bondrewdthelordofdawn3744 I don't know about ascend, probably he can. But descend is, for now, impossible for him
@@murilopenagoncalves3831 he can go down but like the other people he can't go up
@@bondrewdthelordofdawn3744 He has means of going up.
The few lines of Bondrewd being a loving evil father to prepare his children to a much more cruel and more evil than him legit made me teary… but cruelty is cruelty and pain is suffering, he may have done it for the right reasons but he still did some evil things.
I’m sorry, this whole video just reminded me of my loving uncle who had the same circumstances that I couldn’t agree more
He remembers the name of every kid instantly when he sees them
Legally it's questionable, morally it's disgusting, personally I like it
Bondrewd the kid soup maker and furry lover.
Didnt realize Craftsdwarf ran this channel
There is not one character that fascinates me this much.
Bondrewd is my favorite villain of any media. His intentions are positive, but his actions are awful. His views are always positive, he never says negative things, and sees even the darkest things as improvement. He wants progress and can sacrifice anything for it. He sees past the trauma he is creating. It's just amazing, and I don't how how else to describe it
“But a father's job is not to embark on a journey rather it's to raise his children"
*Literally every dad in One Piece* 🚣♂️
Shanks moment
I love Bondrewd so much simply because of how he exposes people. You could easily judge the content of someone's character by their views on this character. They will argue, they will react emotionally, they will do all sorts of things to deny. However, Bondrewd is the sort of evil that is just tricky enough to make people that could become despicable at any time, expose themselves.
"Papa's rod"
Some questions are better left unanswered....
I mean it's pretty normal isn't it? Bondrewd was probably bathing with prushka.... Actually I take that back...
@@theblackswordsman7558 please do
The actual explanation isn’t even that bad I just think it sounds funny out of context
@@theblackswordsman7558 he wouldn't have a body to wash in the first place
I'm astonished that you even included pages of the manga to proof true what you are commenting on. To make something clear: imagining oneself in the shoes of another - especially in those who are evil - is something everyone should do from time to time. if only to remind oneself, that each and every person has evil in himself/herself and under specific circumstances may very likely become pathological. Gratitude is the most important virtue and all others go alongside it.
Thank you for this enjoyable watch.
I have never had more mixed emotions for a character than Bondrewd
Thanks for giving reason to that. My thoughts and feelings were split on that. I was deeply hurt and disgusted by the movie, but I was also deeply moved emotionally and I did enjoy it very much. You could litterally feel how something truly meaningfull was unpacked in an unarticulate manner through this story, but it was difficult to really point a finger to all the themes and motives that were questioned and discussed, while the story unfolded. Art has this peculiar ability to create chaos in seemingly locked categories of thoughts, which is both interesting and terrifying. But people who are able to analyze that, which was questioned and put back order into it, are just as magnificent and important.
Made in abyss dives deep physically on the superficial story telling level, but simultaniously it dives deep into thoughts and meaning on a meta level.
And if all that wasn't enough, that score from Kevin Penkin is just as much an interpretation of the story itself, as it is a tool for storytelling.
1am thoughts out on the internet again.
this movie was the most FUCKING DISTURBING thing I have damn ever seen in my entire life! He cut most of his daughters body off, and shoved her into a box!!!!! and She was screaming it hurts when she was in the box like dude OMFG put her out of her misery holy shit this was horrifying!!!!!!
Where you watched it
I tried to find it but couldn't
I can’t say it was the most disturbing thing I’ve seen. At least after I’ve seen corpse party, until dawn and this other horror game from markipliers channel.
Bondrewd's love is empathy without the desire to self-sacrifice or change. It isn't simply that nothing will get in the way of his goals. A lot of toxic relationships are like that. It just goes to show... love isn't enough.
As insane as this man is he is truly a genius.
although bondrewd is undoubtedly a terrible person in his own right, his character itself is incredibly compelling, at least to me. it’s the same reason the pale king from hollow knight is such a compelling character, they will stop at nothing to learn about something and figure out a way to understand it, even if it means countless casualties. bondrewd is easily one of my favorite characters from made in abyss just because of how interesting and compelling his goals are, it’s *because* of how he sees his goals and conquers them.
That man is beyond broken... And beyond his own humanity
such a cool video! i loved the way you connected the images with things you were explaining, hit different.
Literally can't even watch that show legally here right now. I love licensing.
Child may your journey overflow with curses and blessing. Bondrewd
Bondrewd is definition of nature. It loves its creation, but willing to sacrafice her children for better future..
I can't wait to guide Riko to the bottom of the abyss.
Mmm child soup go yummm
But he's actually one of my favorite characters of all time though he's just too awesome
I just finished the movie and then came and watched this video. You did an amazing job. This video was really well done and gives me a lot to think about while I sit up in bed unable to sleep.
Made in Abyss could also be called "Bondrewd: the price of ambition"
I suppose, as a minor correction... Bondrewd has been to the 6th layer.
Bondrewd has been to the village in the 6th layer though
That’s why his og body was deformed into a sort of beast ?
@@marcoarana2773 no he used the cartridge to go there and back. He has traded with the villagers before.
@@PapaFunDip I thought he couldn’t go, cause he can’t use his white whistle since he physically has no connection to it. They explained that in the movie
@@Rustyybucket the movie also explains why he could use his white whistle~ just as riko stated, he sacrificed himself. riko wonder why could he used his white whistle because if the white whistle was once a different person not bondrewd. then when bondrewd switches to another body the white whistle wont respond to him anymore because bondrewd already merged with other people's conciousness. it seems white whistle can read other's consciousness signal through abyss's curse. so the white whistle wont desire that other person bondrewd merge his consciousness with
but since bondrewd sacrificed his own body to actually love himself then the consciousness of what he became a white whistle will alwalys love the bondrewd he made copy of his own consciuosness
thus making him able to use his own white whistle with other different body of his umbra hands.
and yeah the side effect of using zoaholic beside seeing some sh*t and changes himself throught multiple of insanity...now he is unable to feels a true love, a desire to love like he used to before he turned himself into white whistle but his ambition still remain in his mind and a love he used to think of..only a memory while his heart is already inhuman(numb) thus he doesnt feel anything to even begin to think/feel like a human being. and thus he cant use his body to make his own cartridge as himself saying he's not judged as living being anymore....more like a robot that has memory of love ,care, and any emotions of what he had feel before.
The abyss is a metaphor for the constant tension between one's own desire and one's morality.
The 6th layer brings to mind the notion that there are some transgressions that are morally irrevocable. That people cannot come back from. Think murder in crime and punishment.
However it's not just the act that carries moral weight. Its the intention and capacity behind it. Bondrewd gave up his humanity and thus has freedom to transgress which is to say move about the abyss (thru relic sure). Innocent children were forced to transgress and lost themselves.
However thru love people can retain their humanity thru this transgression. Which is why it works so well. If you transgress out of concern for another then perhaps your wish, that they benefit, may be granted.
To go into the abyss is to give up all for your desire. But if your desire is something so synonymous with your humanity, then what exactly do you lose in its pursuit? Which is what we all wanna find out.
So yeah i like this video because it keys in on what I view is an important idea behind the series.
This reminds me of tpN and Isabella.However Isabella was herself a victim of the situation,and at the end she still becomame more attached to them,and felt,despite how unhandy that was,sadness and regret. Yes,Isabella is a selfish person,but she never wanted all of this.Bondrewd himself chose to sacrifice everything and even made himself love them.He also doesn’t seem to be sad about it
There's a lot to be said about what has been written in human history regarding the mythos of delving into the underworld, and Made In Abyss is a very immaculate depiction of that
he reminds me of mother Isabella a little bit both having a love for the children they’re with but for their own means has them in sacrifice “for the better”
That's an interesting comparison.
As SpookyRice says "It's a bucket of fuck, it's a fucket of buck!"
Okay now this is epic
For those who are unaware it is shown in the anthology comics that Bondrewd is in fact able to go beyond the point of no return using Zoaholic as a lifeline to leave behind the body that he used to go down and return his mind to the body of another umbra hand not left below.
The interesting thing for me is, that most people seem to assume that Bondrewd sincerely loved the children who suffered through his actions. I think he didn't. The "love" he had for the children was a mere extension of his love for himself projected onto the children for the sake of his want.
Nah. His desires for progress are heaven on earth to him. He’d sacrifice himself if it seems logical. He’s tortured himself, remember. He’s experimented on himself as well. He does love them, and sees their sacrifice as being worth it. Think about how many people through history felt similarly. How many had children suffer horribly, and believe it was worth it for the sake their beliefs? It’s still love, just from very radical perspectives to what you and I may be used to.
That sounded toxic not love.
@Imperial Watch Best for his experiment there's a difference. A Gold digger loves the person she is with because they have what she wants but once they don't have it than the love ends.
@@misanthropicservitorofmars2116 if I’m not mistaken he even remembered the names of the children.
@@Sensei.Of.Kivotos yes, all of them. He knew their names, what they liked and dreamed of, I bet he knew their favorite food and color.
Gives me great insight into the value of hatred and its place in ourselves
Bondrewd is almost Joseph Mengele. In fact, he an underground Mengele.
Defeating reg was an understatement special while showing her, stomping on reg and fucking destroying it XDD
Bondrewd is amazing...
Care for some soup?
@FeatherFiend Thus you do jest, for we have fair but yet free refreshing Water.
@@IsleyKoU "refreshing" oh hell nah, not after the manga
What I like about Ozen is that she'll just develop scoliosis on the spot without warning.
When u thought Re:Zero was a dark anime... XD.
dude i started watching this anime 3 days ago thought its a nice show with colourful and joyful adventures. boi was i wrong. like everything became so gory after they entered the fourth layer. the moment Riko got poisoned the whole anime made a 360. i just watched the movie and dont even know how to feel. you want to hate bondrew but you cant feel hate towards him. You know he is a bad guy but he himself is not a bad guy. he is nice and caring yet he does such cruel things probably with a smile under his mask but not one of mischief but happiness. What an Antagonist. not a villain but an Antagonist.
This Character made me fear him so much that I hates him ... and I likes him too :/
Amazing video! Would love to see more Made in Abyss content from you in the future.
But Prushka did know what he was doing. She knew that Bondrewd made kids into lunchboxes.
Additionally, what do you mean Bondrewd was unable to enter the sixth layer. Belafu made it sound like he was frequently in the village.
The whistle doesn’t consider his new bodies as “alive” so he can’t use it and u need the whistle to use the elevator
@@tashawntaylor9860 That is a very common misconception, but the whistle is still just bondrewd's soul. He can use it just fine. He just can't use himself for cartridges.
I believe we even see panels of him with his praying hands. It's kinda funny that people believe Bondrewed would be stuck on the 5th layer when he has both an elevator to the 6th layer and the cartridges to use as a proxy for curse of going upwards.
Even without Belafu's confirmation, it's a weird thing to overlook.