Were models really that bad 40 years ago?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ส.ค. 2024
- According to statements that are often regurgitated these days, we have never been as fortunate as now in terms of variety of choice and realism of railway models.
This is not wrong, especially in terms of choice. However, a large amount of new releases are not new products, but re-issues based on existing tooling, more often than not decades old, pimped up with an updated livery and minor detail tweaks. So, 40 years ago, things might not have been actually that bad after all…
In this video, I am attempting a little journey through time, furing which I will try and put together trains based on a few pictures using items from the collection.
Enjoy!
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then search for the term in quotes:
“Bf Wuppertal-Elberfeld (5)” by BD Wuppertal (Säuberlich) 1963
“Bf Wuppertal-Elberfeld (14)” by Ernst Winter 1964
“Wuppertaler Wendezug (1)” by Wilfried Sieberg 1962
“78 430 in Wuppertal (3)” by Helmut Röth 1962
“Wuppertaler Wendezug (5)” by Aad van Ooy 1959
“78 468 in Wuppertal (10)” by Manfred Mülhens 1965
“Wendezug in Büchen” by Dieter Junker 1968
“V 36 235 in Wuppertal (3)” by Carl Bellingrodt 1950
“86 873 in Wuppertal” by Hans Schmidt 1957
“Kriegsende 1945 (41)” by Us Amy 1945
“Kriegsende 1945 (30)” by ACME 1945
“01 178 in Wuppertal” by Carl Bellingrodt 1953
“03 193 in Wuppertal” by Carl Bellingrodt 1949
“V 100 2163 in Wuppertal” by Wolfgang Bügel 1968
“Wuppertaler Wettrennen (2)” by Wilfried Harder 1963
“102 Jahre BD Wuppertal (4)” by Heinz Meyer, Slg. Wolfgang R. Reimann 1952
“VT 95 in Wuppertal (2)” by Carl Bellingrodt 1957
“212 325 in Wuppertal (2)” by Wolfgang Bügel 1989
“03 111 in Wuppertal (1)” by Helmut Barduhn 1954
“111 187 in Wuppertal” by Wolfgang Bügel 1989
“212 083 in Wuppertal (2)” by Wolfgang Bügel 1982
“111 129 in Wuppertal” by Wolfgang Bügel 1984
“044 472 bei Wuppertal” by Helmut Dahlhaus 1974
“211 111 + 515 in Wuppertal (3)” by Wolfgang Bügel 1985
“815 + 515 in Wuppertal-Dorp” by Wolfgang Bügel 1985
“515 in Wt-Cronenberg” by Wolfgang Bügel 1984
“Kiel Hbf (6)” by Walter Hollnagel 1950
“44 773 in Niederbreisig” by Carl Bellingrodt 1952
“TVT 6211 Esn (2)” by Willi Marotz 1965
“V 100 1337 in Breisach” by Helmut Röth 1965
“03.10-Abschied in Hagen (22)” by Klaus D. Holzborn 1966
“Abschied von der S 3/6 (7)” by Helmut Röth 1965
“102 Jahre BD Wuppertal (5)” by Slg. Klaus Schophaus 1952
“430 und 628 in Essen” by Joachim Bügel 1988
“02 005 in Wuppertal” by DLA Darmstadt (Bellingrodt) 1927
“Schienenzeppelin (11)” RBD Wuppertal (Eckler) 1931
“F 17 in Wuppertal” by BD Wuppertal (Säuberlich) 1960
“Schwebebahn Wuppertal (80)” by Tony Hawkins 1963
“Eröffnungszug (23)” by Carl Bellingrodt 1964
“Sonderfahrt mit VT 11 5018 (1)” by Wolfgang Bügel 1968
“38 1020 in Wuppertal” by Carl Bellingrodt 1950
www.Traktioswa...:
BR 044 525-4 in Goslar by Ulrich Budde 1974 (traktionswandel.de/texte/rul121.html)
BR 055 055-0 and 050 466-2 by Detlef Schikoree www.traktionsw...
BW Gremberg 12/1970 by Hans Brings www.traktionsw...
Br 151 015-5 by Rolf Schulze www.traktionsw...
Wikipedia:
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An ICE 1 on the Berlin-Hannover high-speed railway line, near Gardelegen en.wikipedia.o...
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Thanks for this well-researched video! But let let me add one remark regarding the Umbauwagen/Silberling-Steuerwagen train set. The 3-axle Umbauwagen were always only used in pairs as seen in your original photos.
Looking forward to your next videos. BR from Bavaria
Of course! , I forgot about that bit... 🤦🏻♂️ Thanks for the visit.
Your Zugbildung for Era III is first class. This depth of knowledge only comes with a LOT of research. Thankyou and well done. Greetings from New Zealand.
either that or too much time on my hands. Thanks for the visit!
You have, by far, my favorite channel about Märklin.
You are too kind, good Sir!
Indeed.
Thank you for this very interesting video. Loved the history of the DB combined and showing the "old" Märklin models- which still look the part and work beautiful today !
That's very kind, thanks!
Agreed.
I model Märklìn with 1960-70 models analog, along with newer,digital models. All on the same layout! Thanks for paying attention to the “old” models!
Very welcome!
Hello 3rd Rail! Just checking in to see your latest video. I love the history lesson. I am fortunate to have started my Marklin rail set back in 1965. Well before digital. Since I grew up in Geneva, I have an affinity for DB, Swiss engines and cars from the Third and Fourth eras. I also am happy that E-Bay has a large group the sells this type of Marklin products at an affordable price, especially in estate Lot sales. My last digital "Crocodile" new was over $500.00 dollars. But a used non-digital, 6/6 can be obtained for $150.00. US dollars. When I retire in a few years, I expect my layout to explode! Thanks for your post.
I bet you can't wait to get started, thanks for the visit!
I enjoyed seeing the push-pull configuration! Our commuter rail used this, but are being replaced with self-propelled Kawasaki electric mutiple unit cars.
Thanks a lot, that's very kind of you. Glad you enjoyed the video.
Always a pleasure to see and hear your informed knowledge on Marklin and also the comments it generates. You would clearly win Madtermind on this topic 😊
merely a collection of random mumblings from an enthuasiast trying to cobble them together 😉🙏🙏🙏
La rencontre du modèle réduit et de son histoire. Märklin par sa longévité a accompagné tout ceci. Et ta super collection illustre tout ceci. Super vidéo !
Merci, commencer le weekend sur un compliment est toujours agréable 😉
Most entertaining. Silberlings are so cool. Now we need an update on your new trackplan!
So do I... 😀 Thanks for the visit!
Beautiful made video about the history. I love how the old steam lokomotives looks.
Glad you enjoyed it!
What an excellent video - very entertaining and also very informative with some superb pictures into the bargain.
A time when the new stock was used to supplement the older stuff rather than replacing it leading to a huge variety with great mixtures of locos and rolling stock.
Thank you for the inspiration.
Glad you enjoyed it
Wonderful! Many, many thanks in advance. All the best, Michel
👍
Like yourself a fan of "messy" trains, I am delighted with the photo of an express locomotive BR 03 leading a series of Prussian compartment cars sandwiched between two standard pike coaches. I never would have guessed at this! Equally appealing, the example of a Silberling Steuerwagen ahead of the Umbauwagen, modeled together not too glaringly out-of-scale by Märklin IMHO. However as you no doubt have found, the German Federal Railways as a rule used Umbauwagen in pairs. Your lovely little train consist might only have benefited from a change out instead of removal of the baggage combine. The photographic record reminds us how daunting had been for the Germans the task of reconstruction and the lingering price of war. Thank you!!
Nothing beats pictures. Re. Umbauwagen, the easter egg is now officially found... (translation: I forgot about that...😀) Thanks for the visit!
Excellent. Continuing my binge watching of your channel . Again loved the history of the trains and the associated models . Would you consider doing something similar for long distance trains? Interestingly I had a job for a German company for a few years which meant travelling to Duren occasionally . Unfortunately I never had time to study the trains .
Glad you like them!
I love older model trains and they are more fun with running them as there is no fragile parts that can break off via handling unlike the super detailed model trains 😊. Great video and thank you for your service.
They are quite different beasts indeed. Thanks for your time today.
Great video. Thanks for explaining so much about German railways in a certain area, it's was all a mystery to me.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Couldn't agree more. Vintage Marklin from this era is so great! Love the archival photos!
Thanks! Plenty more photos on the sites in the video description. Have a good weekend.
Great video. 😊 I really enjoy your 70/80 layout and models. 🙂
Awesome, thank you!
Hey! I love this video and all the pictures from Bahnhof Elberfeld! I grew up in a small town close to Wuppertal and I was very often at that train station in my childhood, sadly it was already in the 1980s so there were no steam trains. It's also fascinating how different the street side looked still in the 1960s compared to the 80s, whereas the track side and that large brick wall behind track #6 still look the same today.
Actually Elberfeld is currently really bizarre - the street side has got a HUGE makeover just a few years ago and it's super modern, but once you stand on the platforms, it all looks totally old and basically unchanged since centuries - and also pretty derelict, I have to say!
Anyway, thanks for the video - and have fun with the old models. I love those a lot, just as well!
oh and PS. yes 18:46 Karlsruher Kopf, the older ones were called "Hasenkasten" (rabbit box) and looked more square. I also recall seeing the local trains with the battery railcars, but I never rode in one myself!
Glad you enjoyed the video, Thanks for sharing and for your time today! 🙏
And PS: check the source of the pictures (link in the description), there are plenty more pictures from the area...
I love how much of your content is just based around recreating cool photos from German rail history! It adds some cool historical depth to your already extremely impressive collection.
Glad you enjoy it!
I find Marklin, Bemo, Roco, Sachsenmodel, etc. Items from this period stand up very well today I think many people remember the low quality of some US outline trains from the late 70's and early 80s (rubber band drives, horn hook couplers) and assume all brands were similar. The German/Austrian brands, however, were a real premium in terms of quality and cost at the time.
As with everything, it is not all bad or all good, but sometimes people forget that things like electricity and computers existed 40 years ago 😉
People still seek out the old Athearn Band drive locos, they are actually good locos even though they may run too fast sometimes.
Great video, thanks loved the pictures and history,!
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you for another excellent and informative video, I learned a lot.
Very welcome, glad you like it.
First thank you for this great video. I quite agree, Märklin models were not bad (at all) 40 years ago. They were DIFFERENT: very sturdy, all accepted the industrial track 5120, could have Telex coupling and even the horn but they were also quite noisy. The automatic operation was simply fantastic and all reached a peak with the release of the 6600 power box in 1984, allowing speed regulation, direction change commanded by contact track.
What do new 2024 model bring?
- Silent operation to enjoy sound modules
- close coupling and slim Telex coupling
- some motor solutions were amazing (SDS motors around 2005-2010)
- extravagent detailling (sometimes a bit too much with some parts falling off (and never to be found)
- digital. Yes it came in 1985 but the early version Control Unit 6020 with all its keyboards, control 80 (80 F), memories, boosters were quite space taking, with Alzheimer locos cannot be compared with recent mSD3 decoders and CS3s and pulsed smoke.
- definitly more fragile modelling but also so beautiful.
As a young person of 77 I prefer the latest digital models even though splendid units like the CCS800, RE800, DT800 were magical at the time of release.
Thanks a lot! Sure 2024 is nice (very!) too 👍 Have you seen my "Integration Hell" video? To clarify, the video is neither trying to convice people to go analogue nor is it saying that new stuff is bad, but merely that, with a readiness for compromise, certain looks can be achieved with a choice of older (and more affordable) coaches. Thanks for the visit and the comment! Nice of you to spend some of your valuable time here today.
So much great information. Awesome
Glad you think so!
As always, thank you for the excellent video. I absolutely prefer the »non-super-detailed« models (not only by märklin) from the seventies and eighties - e.g. fewer parts to fall off or break - and for the most part they're more affordable too!
Everything goes... What matters is that you enjoy what you are doing.
wonderful source material. Another great informative video. Keep up the great work
very inspirational indeed, links in the description. Thanks for the praises and visit.
An additional note on what I said below. Models of this ere can be found at a reasonable cost. Further to that, on an operational railway, for most of us not much is needed as there is only one you to run it all. Cheap health insurance.
yep, I mentioned that in various places in the video too 😉
Love your videos very informative
Glad you like them!
You have once again managed to make a really entertaining and informative video, I really liked it!
I recently started collecting 00-Gauge models from a couple well-known manufacturers, and I realised very quickly that the older ones you can get second hand here on the continent (which are also from the 80s) don't come close to Märklin models from that period. Although I find it very interesting that while 00 gauge models have gotten a lot more detailed *and* more expensive since then, Märklin still uses many toolings from that period, so you can get a vehicle with only minimal differences for half or even just a third of the price of a new one on the second-hand market.
Thanks a lot, glad you liked the video. Manufacturers approached detail and longevity in different ways in the toy days 😉 This said, the use of old tooling is very frequent in 00 gauge. Some reworked tri-ang stuff for example is still sold today under various brands, a fact I stumbled accross recently and also inspired me to do this video. Have a good weekend!
Wonderful running session combined with well researched backgrounds. Excellent! What makes the older Märklin models so special is that metal actually does look like.., well..., metal, as the real trains do. This does give us a much more substantial experience despite being short on details and off-scale. New plastic models with all their fancy fine-scale and tonnes of high tech features are fabulous but do look..., plastic. Painting technologies have progressed but we can always still see the difference. Especially plastic buffers always still appear most questionable. Perhaps Fleischmann did offer the older models a tad finer than Märklin tbh, but M is still the only continuous European model train company offering a backwards compatible thoroughly well planned system which is reliable to very high standards, if not the best. The older models are most charming as well, super-solid and easy to maintain. Great upload again. Cheerio.
Thanks Linda! Great comment!
Really nice Video. And excellent point on using older models instead of the latest. Personally I use shorter coaches as a compromise.
Very nice rail history and pictures.
Thanks! Have a good weekend.
Super video. 🙋🏻♂️😃😃👍👍
Thank you 👍
At least for me models from this era are hard to beat. I have just watched a review of a recent release (not Marklin). It was the kind of model you have to wreck to get inside to service. As it happens, the reviewer didn't even bother taking the top off. No wonder! For 1980s Marklin, removing ONE M3 screw is all that is needed. And then you can replace the brushes and perform the rest of the service. More 'obscure' parts not as easy to get now. And if anyone concerns it impossible to base an operational layout on these models, don't worry. Not only does it work very well, but with proper servicing the equipment will serve for decades. Marklin would be my first choice; and easily so. Leave the railway alone for a few weeks; it still runs. Yes, there are other ways - DCC, modern Marklin etc., and they are OK. Each to their own, but 1980s Marklin would be my experienced based choice.
Keep modelling.
Sounds like this channel is for you 😀 The video is neither trying to convice people to go analogue nor is it saying that new stuff is bad, but merely that, with a readiness for compromise, certain looks can be achieved with a choice of older (and more affordable) coaches. Thanks for the visit and the comment!
Be encouraged; there are a lot of viewers, many too old or ill to partake themselves, who come away from your channel (and a few others I could name) less stressed.
As for 'compromise', as ever it's each to their own. But if pulled up I challenge to take a model and place it on a piece of track and look. With Marklin the assemblage of the whole takes over; it shines either in its own right or as a model real world. Modelling is an art-form, and it's a wonderful art-form. Thanks again for the slow speed.
Best wishes.@@The3rdRail
WoW, Nice. Good history Recap. Berry well done👌
Glad you enjoyed it!
Interesting video 👍
Thanks a lot!
Thanks!
thanks a lot!
Lovely video!
Modelrailways are for fun indeed and letting the imagination run wild.
I like to make consists of pictures too.
The options are almost limitless. :))
Cheers and take care.
God bless.
Thanks for the visit, glad you enjoyed the video.
another great video, the eisenbahnstiftung site really great with the Baureihe search feature! please pretty please fix the red 515:)) And it looks like one of your silberling the 4077 i think also has issue with the roof fitting properly. same issue on mine
Joys of tinplate... Thanks for the visit.
most of my trains are at least 30 years old, and some of my models have not been bettered, even if other companies bough the tooling. The ACME Touropa couchette coaches are not much better than the 1980's ROWA/Roco ones IMO.😀
cool, thanks for sharing.
What an interesting video
I prefer the old coaches with axels turning in metall.
maybe the new plastic ones are not so durable
I like both. All the plastic models in this video are 40 years old or more now, that's quite durable 😉 Thanks for your time today.
Great video have you seen in photos the real life car of the MARKLIN H0 42358 POST MUSEUM PMS 60-05? Would it go on freight or passenger trains? thank you
Thanks, the car would have been attached to passenger trains. Try typing "PwPosti" in a search engine.
@@The3rdRail Thank you for the fast reply. Did steam ever push or pull the Karlsruhe silvercoin cab cars?
I have a beginner's question. How do you connect 4028 to 3028? I have some problem here. Would you please explain me how to do it, maybe illustrating that with a short video as I am sure that there are other models which present the same problem. Many thanks in advance and have a good day. Michel
that's not a beginner question and it is the only model produced in the 80s that is setup like that. There is a wire in the motorised unit with a a little metal plug (2 bladed copper plug). This plug would fit in a socket located near the coupling inside the dummy car. I will cover wiring and reversing unit in a future video.
the old trains (and i am talking about the cars) where in hte old days scale 1/100 and to the real scale H0 with also not alwats the full looks of the trains where not always right, but you good very easy use it if you do not pay to miuch for the details
Agreed... Thanks for the visit!
Thanks for the wonderful overview. I also really like the era III/IV with all the combinations of available roll stock, pulled by either steam, diesel or electricity.
Obviously, close ups on 40-60 years old Märklin will appear less detailled and accurate than 2024 material. Yet, on a bit distance even layouts with M-tracks and oldstyle catenary actually looks realistic, imo. And I prefer that, also because I can fix it myself if needed.
BR, Anders
hey i found a Br 50 with tender cab at 86Euro do it worth?
depends on the condition...
well the condition its really good@@The3rdRail
@@Trenuri-la-Sieu then the price is right...
Thanks!
That's very kind of you, thanks a lot!
@@The3rdRailWe both enjoy the channel very much, particularly the great background information on the prototypes. Lovely viewing.