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I collect 80's Märklin H0 trains and build temporary layouts to run them. To make this interesting, I tend to try and use as many of the features offered by the Märklin system. I am not a modeller, more a bit of a mad scientist, so expect to see plenty of exposed wiring, wonky tracks and wobbly bits and pieces.
The "Mozart" service, from D 39 to EC 64, using 1980s Märklin models.
Mozart was the name given to a number of services that operated between Austria and France, via Munich, Augsburg, Stuttgart and Strasbourg. In 2023, Märklin released insider club models including a BR 181.2, that operated the train between Suttgart and Strasbourg from the 1970s onwards.
Marklin didn’t do a 181 in the 1980s, the period of the Märklin production I collect, but on its own, the Mozart topic is very interesting too, especially if like me you like messy trains… I did a bit of research and I think I might be able to re create a few looks with items from the collection.
In this video you will find:
- some context about the service
- examples of train compostions between the 1960s and the end of the service in 2002.
If you enjoy this video, please consider subscribing to my channel and hitting the like button. It helps me reach a wider audience and create more content like this. If you'd like go a bit further and contribute to the upkeep of the collection, "Super Thanks" are activated.
Thanks for watching!
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Details of the compositions featured in this video can be found on www.modelrailroadcollector.wiki, a site featuring a model directory and collection management tools I can only recommend to any collector.
D 39/40 with Märklin 3039 (E10): www.modelrailroadcollector.wiki/en-us/Consists?consistId=611
D 264/265 with Märklin 3039 (BR110): www.modelrailroadcollector.wiki/en-us/Consists?consistId=612
D 264/265 with Märklin 3042 (BR111): www.modelrailroadcollector.wiki/en-us/Consists?consistId=613
FD 264/265 with Märklin 3039 (BR111): www.modelrailroadcollector.wiki/en-us/Consists?consistId=614
EC 68/69 with Märklin 3357 (Br103): www.modelrailroadcollector.wiki/en-us/Consists?consistId=616
EC 64/65 with Märklin 3558 (BR103): www.modelrailroadcollector.wiki/en-us/Consists?consistId=615
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
02:25 Context
03:32 Humble beginnings - the F39/40 Mozart
05:55 D39/40 Mozart
09:38 D264/265 Mozart
12:17 D264/265 Mozart in the late 1970s
14:10 FD 264/265 Mozart
16:23 EC 68/59 Mozart
18:56 EC 64/65 Mozart
21:47 Conclusion and thanks
Sources:
www.maerklin.de
www.wikipedia.org
www.eisenbahnstiftung.de
special thanks to Welt der Modelleisenbahn, an invaluable source of information about Deutsche Bundesbahn train compositions and timetables:
www.welt-der-modelleisenbahn.com
An article about various coaches used with the mozart over the years:
bundesbahnbilder.blogspot.com/2017/09/fd-mozart.html
Photo credits:
Eisenbahnstiftung.de
go to “Bildarchiv”, here: eisenbahnstiftung.de/bildergalerie
then search for the term in quotes:
F39/40:
“E 16 02 in München (1)” by Kurt Eckert 1957
“E 18 14 in München” by Ron Amberger 1958
“Zugzielanzeiger (12)” byWalter Illig (Slg. Wollny) 1955
“E 17 108 bei Tamm/Wü” by Helmut Röth 1955
“F 39 "Mozart" in Stuttgart” by Kurt Eckert 1958
D39/40:
“E 10 306 in Stuttgart” by Jörg Schulze 1966
“E 41 063 in Mühlacker” by Helmut Röth 1962
FD 264/265:
“Geislinger Steige (40)” by Joachim Bügel 1987
F-Zug
"V 200 071 in Dortmund (2)" by Willi Marotz 1963
locos:
"110 233 in Pforzheim" by Willi Hager 1973
Other sources:
BR 110 in Nordheim
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Db-110231-01.jpg#/media/Datei:Db-110231-01.jpg
BR 111:
www.bundesbahnzeit.de/seite.php?id=236
BR 181 215-5
Mozart in Wilferdingen-Singen by Markus Engel via www.bahnbilder.de/1200/mit-dem-mozart-paris-wien-legt-1247480.jpg
SNCF Corail coach by Ferry Van Schagen via Trainsdeport.org - www.trainsdepot.org/image/gallery/vehicle/1801/www.trainsdepot.org/image/gallery/vehicle/1801/
ÖBB eurofima coach: by unknown via trainsdepot.org - www.trainsdepot.org/_custom_storage/vehicles/img/vehicle_20190806_230306_fa2x3v_optimized.jpg
Die DB in Bildern 1966-1991 - Dirk Frielingsdor via bundesbahnbilder.blogspot.com/2017/09/fd-mozart.html
D39/40
01_Mozart_DB2-66000.jpg
D264/265
111 077 in Mûnchen by Gerold Hörnig via Bahnbilder.de - die-lokomotive-111-077-deutschen-1284584.jpg
111 017-0 in München by Gerold Hörnig via Bahnbilder.de - die-111-017-0-hat-muenchen-1203427.jpg
FD 264/265
DB 111 212 Mering 22.05.1988 Bernd Magiera via Flickr - flic.kr/p/SmZUUS
D 264 Mozart mit 110 229 am 12.09.1987 in der Geislinger Steige - Joachim Bertsch via welt-der-modelleisenbahn.com
EC 68
Stefan Mayer via my-fotoseiten.de/bahn/deutsch/frames/de-10301.htm
EC 64/65
Author unknown - www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/alles-zu-den-%C3%96bb.1441221/page-28
#modeltrains #märklin #mgleis #tmrguk #mozart #zugbilbung #wagenreihung #bundesbahn
Marklin didn’t do a 181 in the 1980s, the period of the Märklin production I collect, but on its own, the Mozart topic is very interesting too, especially if like me you like messy trains… I did a bit of research and I think I might be able to re create a few looks with items from the collection.
In this video you will find:
- some context about the service
- examples of train compostions between the 1960s and the end of the service in 2002.
If you enjoy this video, please consider subscribing to my channel and hitting the like button. It helps me reach a wider audience and create more content like this. If you'd like go a bit further and contribute to the upkeep of the collection, "Super Thanks" are activated.
Thanks for watching!
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Channel email: the3rdrailchannel@gmail.com
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Details of the compositions featured in this video can be found on www.modelrailroadcollector.wiki, a site featuring a model directory and collection management tools I can only recommend to any collector.
D 39/40 with Märklin 3039 (E10): www.modelrailroadcollector.wiki/en-us/Consists?consistId=611
D 264/265 with Märklin 3039 (BR110): www.modelrailroadcollector.wiki/en-us/Consists?consistId=612
D 264/265 with Märklin 3042 (BR111): www.modelrailroadcollector.wiki/en-us/Consists?consistId=613
FD 264/265 with Märklin 3039 (BR111): www.modelrailroadcollector.wiki/en-us/Consists?consistId=614
EC 68/69 with Märklin 3357 (Br103): www.modelrailroadcollector.wiki/en-us/Consists?consistId=616
EC 64/65 with Märklin 3558 (BR103): www.modelrailroadcollector.wiki/en-us/Consists?consistId=615
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
02:25 Context
03:32 Humble beginnings - the F39/40 Mozart
05:55 D39/40 Mozart
09:38 D264/265 Mozart
12:17 D264/265 Mozart in the late 1970s
14:10 FD 264/265 Mozart
16:23 EC 68/59 Mozart
18:56 EC 64/65 Mozart
21:47 Conclusion and thanks
Sources:
www.maerklin.de
www.wikipedia.org
www.eisenbahnstiftung.de
special thanks to Welt der Modelleisenbahn, an invaluable source of information about Deutsche Bundesbahn train compositions and timetables:
www.welt-der-modelleisenbahn.com
An article about various coaches used with the mozart over the years:
bundesbahnbilder.blogspot.com/2017/09/fd-mozart.html
Photo credits:
Eisenbahnstiftung.de
go to “Bildarchiv”, here: eisenbahnstiftung.de/bildergalerie
then search for the term in quotes:
F39/40:
“E 16 02 in München (1)” by Kurt Eckert 1957
“E 18 14 in München” by Ron Amberger 1958
“Zugzielanzeiger (12)” byWalter Illig (Slg. Wollny) 1955
“E 17 108 bei Tamm/Wü” by Helmut Röth 1955
“F 39 "Mozart" in Stuttgart” by Kurt Eckert 1958
D39/40:
“E 10 306 in Stuttgart” by Jörg Schulze 1966
“E 41 063 in Mühlacker” by Helmut Röth 1962
FD 264/265:
“Geislinger Steige (40)” by Joachim Bügel 1987
F-Zug
"V 200 071 in Dortmund (2)" by Willi Marotz 1963
locos:
"110 233 in Pforzheim" by Willi Hager 1973
Other sources:
BR 110 in Nordheim
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Db-110231-01.jpg#/media/Datei:Db-110231-01.jpg
BR 111:
www.bundesbahnzeit.de/seite.php?id=236
BR 181 215-5
Mozart in Wilferdingen-Singen by Markus Engel via www.bahnbilder.de/1200/mit-dem-mozart-paris-wien-legt-1247480.jpg
SNCF Corail coach by Ferry Van Schagen via Trainsdeport.org - www.trainsdepot.org/image/gallery/vehicle/1801/www.trainsdepot.org/image/gallery/vehicle/1801/
ÖBB eurofima coach: by unknown via trainsdepot.org - www.trainsdepot.org/_custom_storage/vehicles/img/vehicle_20190806_230306_fa2x3v_optimized.jpg
Die DB in Bildern 1966-1991 - Dirk Frielingsdor via bundesbahnbilder.blogspot.com/2017/09/fd-mozart.html
D39/40
01_Mozart_DB2-66000.jpg
D264/265
111 077 in Mûnchen by Gerold Hörnig via Bahnbilder.de - die-lokomotive-111-077-deutschen-1284584.jpg
111 017-0 in München by Gerold Hörnig via Bahnbilder.de - die-111-017-0-hat-muenchen-1203427.jpg
FD 264/265
DB 111 212 Mering 22.05.1988 Bernd Magiera via Flickr - flic.kr/p/SmZUUS
D 264 Mozart mit 110 229 am 12.09.1987 in der Geislinger Steige - Joachim Bertsch via welt-der-modelleisenbahn.com
EC 68
Stefan Mayer via my-fotoseiten.de/bahn/deutsch/frames/de-10301.htm
EC 64/65
Author unknown - www.skyscrapercity.com/threads/alles-zu-den-%C3%96bb.1441221/page-28
#modeltrains #märklin #mgleis #tmrguk #mozart #zugbilbung #wagenreihung #bundesbahn
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The one and only (small) disadvantage of the Fleischmann loco that I spottet was in the Walschaert's gear: The eccentric rod almost doesn't move, perhaps because the eccentric crank wasn't mounted properly.
An absolutely great video !!! I always enjoy the historical background and the interesting train consists. Since I have a bunch of international trains and was wondering what to do with my sleeping cars, I now have quite a bit of inspiration to put together some mixed trains using mostly Marklin cars...
Glad you enjoyed it
Gorgeous as ever all your videos are eagerly received . a joy
Thank you so much!
I use brake cleaner for cars to clean up old oil, works fine
Isn't that attacking the paint on chassis and wheels? In any case, they are your trains you do what you want with them... thanks for the visit!
@@The3rdRail It evaporates very quickly, try it 🙂
I'll stick to my method, I like my paint too much 😀
Very informative! 🙂 thanks on the hint to welt-der-modelleisenbahn! 👍still looking for something like that more specific to 1920's and 1930's train consists…
happy hunting! thanks for the visit!
Nice video 👍 I have only mustered one particular composition of Mozart in the French side, from summer 1990. Really interesting those sleeping cars in the composition. Obviously just empties being transferred, but still 👍 Nice touch to a day train.
Thanks for the visit, I must admit I had missed the footnote about the sleeping cars being empty. good thing I didn't install passengers in mine 😀 Thanks for pointing this out. Take care.
@@The3rdRail I don't think having passengers in an "empty" or not having passengers in a normal passenger car is too big a fault. Most people do not install passengers in any car I guess 😊 One trick is that if small detail like that bothers, run the train so fast that no one can see the detail 😉
Agree completely, I had a decent M track all analogue layout with 5 controllers running 5 trains independently with two on overhead. And then digital arrived, I didn't see the point of converting to a system with essentially a single controller but saw the merits of the simplification of the wiring. Of course any new locos OI had were digital ready but it wasn't until I was gifted a Digital starter set with a steam engind with sound that I became interested. I must say I'm really liking the steam trains with sound and for the few guests that come and look the "Wow" factor is huge. Like you I'm looking at the hobby again but in a slightly different way.
The simplification of the wiring is a kind of a myth anyway, as soon as your layout gets beyond the simple oval, and the level of functionality increases, you are back to square one. But what matters is to have fun, whatever way you prefer, they are your trains, you do what you want with them, and no one should criticise you for this.
Thanks so much for this . Im learning so much about German train configurations from your site, and trains in general . The BR 103 is a particular favourite especially in red and cream . Such an iconic locomotive . One question . I note there is no “brake” or luggage coach . Where does the guard monitor the train from and did passengers just load suitcases with them in passenger cars ?
I had a a bit of a ah ha moment when reading one of your recent comments about train types, as some were included here. I don't know what happens today, but in the old days, the guard(s) usually sat in a dedicated service compartment located in a unique coach (i.e. luggage, restaurant coach) if there was no such space, some seating was reserved for service personel, usually a compartment on one end or in the centre of the train.
NS 1200 is a glorious locomotive with a solid reputation for power and durability. Dutch rail enthusiasts love this engine. My brother got the Märklin 3051 model in the Prussian Blue livery in the late 1960s and a few Plan E coaches (Märklin 4049.1).
Thanks for the visit!
Your's videos are best.Thanks your!
Glad you like them!
Hello my friend, Your video was very interesting. Thank you for sharing. The Mozart Express train is one of my favorate trains. French and german cars I have already. I am still searching the austrian wagons. Best regards from Germany Frank
Thanks a lot! I am glad you found this interesting. I wish you plenty of fun hunting for Austrian coaches, Thanks for you time today.
Guten Abend Kai (Wenn ich Ihnen mit Vorname anschreiben darf?). Ein wertvolles Video mit Tipps und Tricks haben Sie doch definitiv hochgeladen. Ich bedanke Ihnen für den zeitraubenden Auf and um uns alle dem Ergibnis zu zeigen. Bitte weiter so mit Tipps und Tricks! - Beckerk Modellbau wußte ich vorher nichts von. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Andy (England, VK/UK) PS: Wissen Sie bescheid über den TH-cam-Kanal von Sebb? - Sein Kanal lautet: 'Sebb's 1zu87' Da finden Sie einige Videos über Lok-Alterung bzw. Aufhübschen von Loks und vieles mehr.
Hi Andy, The only Kai I know runs another channel, but I don't mind, I have been called worse 😀. I am happy to read my poor handywork was at least a bit useful. It looks ok as long as you don't look closer than from 1m away, and something I'd probably do much better if I ever decide to try again some day. Thanks for the channel recommendation, I shall have a look some time. Have a good evening and thanks for your time this evening. Best, T
Very interesting topic and nice video. Many thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it and found it interesting. Have good evening!
Thanks!
That's too kind, many thanks!
@The3rdRail full of great information and fun. Your back catalog was great company today as I get ready to set up my own retro M track layout.
I love your video's
Thanks a lot! Glad you you like them.
@@The3rdRail can you do a nmbs video next ?
@@jarelerou4996 I don't know about next, but soon definitely I still have to present a 3133 I recently added to the collection.
Oké
Congratulations. A perfect example of one of the joys of Model Railroading - namely - "Do what YOU want"
Many thanks!
YO TUVE VARIOS TRENES MARKLIN DE CARGA Y PASAJEROS ME ARREPIENTO DE HABERLOS VENDIDO.
you can always buy them again😃 thanks for the visit!
That's great to watch, makes me want to go upstairs and play. I never cared too much about prototype operations, Its my little world and my rules.
And that's how it should be. With this channel, I have no agenda other than getting people to run trains, whatever the flavour, so: mission accomplished! Have a good weekend!
Model railways was almost a given amongst the males in my family, Like many I started at 14 with a simple starter set . And for me in the early to mid 1980's I picked up a second hand AC Roco loco which led to me being unfaithful to the Marklin brand when something interesting came along, with Can motor cardan shafts worm gears and near silent drive compared to the grinding motors and buzz jerk reversing as was common at the time from Marklin, but best of all I had access to models I was interested in that were not in the Marklin range. I'm now in my 60's and building my 4th layout but due to available space it will be smaller than the last two, but will contain an Analogue line a digital line and a separate analogue block for independent shunting operations using two small electric units operating independently from catenary and able to cross the two main lines unhindered. Your videos are a great source of information.
Glad you find the channel helpful, thanks for the visit and good luck with the layout. 🙏
The massive flanges and centre studs really destroy the sense of realism.
not bothering me...
I have 6 Fleishman locomotives operating on my UK layout. I bought them in the 1990's and they still run perfectly with minimal maintenance. They by far, out perform all my UK manufacture products both in operation and detail. Great video, thank you.
Glad you liked it. Thanks for spending some of your valuable time here today.
Do you mix 1/87 with 1/76?
Yes , I do mix the scales. The Flieshman locos look good on hauling UK freight stock. I justify the DB and DR locos by stating that the Channel Tunnel opened in the 1930s. I struggle to justify my American locos, but modellers license allows anything to run. Best wishes to you.
Maybe the average salary today is higher than it was in 79 but it buys a lot less. A train like this new today is less affordable than it was in 79.
I hear you but a train like this doesn't exist today, it was still made for a child's hand. Today you would be buying a highly detailed model packed with features made for 50+ year-old children 😉 This is by definition more expensive. They are not the same products and cannot be compared.
In school, as now 76, a friend had a huge Marklin Set and a room for the purpose, so we produced a large landscape in it, and with its controls in the middle, with houses, a ferry, mountains and tunnels! We had great fun finding solutions for all problems! Also building houses. Finn. Denmark
Sounds like this brought quite a few memories back. Thanks for the visit!
Love watching these videos, brilliant locomotive as well, thank you for sharing.🚂
Glad you enjoyed it
FLEISCHMANN was not only a producer of modelrailways, but a producer of tools as well. The quality was superior above MÄRKLIN of that time,but you have to admit, that the scale was 1:85 instead of 1:87.! HORNBY und so one from UK , you could forget about it !!
? please elaborate: what is quality?
@@The3rdRail Better rails, especially the rails of the steam engine - best of their time - better lamps in front - and motor inside the tender..
Forget HORNBY made in UK !!
@@class77sncb I also didn't mention Trix express, Tri-Ang, Lilliput, Lima, Jouef, Athearn, Lifelike, MTH, Kato and many more... Because that isnt the point of the video. Thanks for the visit.
Thank you for this interesting comparison! I am now subscribed to your channel. On the subject of windows, I think you could remanufcacture the yellowed window plastics with a resin 3D printer using clear resin. The window plastics would have to be 3D modeled, which would be a very simple task. Btw, I love your correct pronounciation of Märklin and Fleischmann, a rare occurrence in English language model railway videos. I learned German at school as my third foreign language after English and Swedish. My mother tongue is Finnish. I am a translator by trade. A working knowledge of German is great to have. Keep up the good work!
Welcome aboard. 3D printing/modelling -> Not quite ready to invest 100s of £/$/€ to make windows... Additionally, something is only simple if you already know how to do it... The shape is a bit more complicated than a simple square... But who knows, one day maybe. Thanks for the visit!
My father selected Fleischmann for me. My understanding was that Marklin was way more expensive. And I knew quickly that the locomotives would not run on Marklin and vice versa. I did a lot of building as far as my allowance would permit. Loved it..but grew out of it. Some stayed on…I graduated to building model aircraft with small diesel powered engines. And ended up in the airline industry. Did get around to get my trains out when my son was at the appropriate age…he moved on to computers…times change.
Glad the video could bring some memories, thanks for your time today.
Either one equals a lot of money
yep, model trains were never cheap...
I always slowly turned down the speed before stopping on my Fleishmann trains for better and more realistic stopping.
Sure, but that doesn't work in automated mode, the mode of operation some, including myself, use most of the time.
@@The3rdRail Ah, I see. I used an 8 bit ADC-converter for this already in the 80's that was just using step-down in 7 bits for the speed. Only in emergency-brake mode, all lights and switches performed this way on the mainlines. the 8th bit was for direction-control (with a direction-relay). For automatic mode, I used a simple CBM64, but could also be done with the printerport of a PC (thus, also TTL, 5V 8bits) in later versions. The most difficult switch with light was the automated X-switch in the middle of 3 mainlines, combined with 2 other electrified switches. Since the direction on the lines and speeds could be opposite from both crossing-lines and the middle-line, with very short blocks, it meant that the other 2 crossing-blocks could only be in 'full emergency-stop' when one train was crossing from track C to A (track B in the middle). I would normally only program that to be switching when the train on track B was already stationed at the station or had left the block for some time. But if not, it would be a really fast stop. Too bad I don't have video's of that trainboard which needed to be broken down for building-activities at the room later. Programming was always a bit crude in that time, with very limited memory (yes, 64K for program and data on the CBM64, loading from tape, later up to 640K on the PC with floppy-disks). Sequences were 2 bytes. Where first byte was 'where' and second byte was 'what'. So first was block-code with line (something like 001 00001 for first block at line A and 001 00010 for the second block on the same line) and then second byte was speed like 0 1111111 for full speed in normal direction and 0 0001000 for about half speed in the same direction. This was all just a big textfile to be visialized later but actually quite easy to do when you have the numbers in your head since it was just a bit of counting. For switches I had a simular code and it was all just sequences with delays and waiting for certain conditions like a train that triggered a location.
Sounds exciting 😉 People don't realise today what could be done with a commodore 64 and a few brain cells. I use ESP8266 wifi microcontrollers coupled with some accessory controllers I developped with an application I wrote in NodeRed for control, routing and automation
Well, I would have given an extra point to Mârklin to be actually driven by the locomotive part as opposed to by the tender for Fleischmann...
You are not alone😀 Thanks for the visit!
I noticed that you said that the Fleischman model was DC. All my Märklin HO is AC. But some is not? I know of their two-rail Hamo line,but I don't have a lot of experience. You are right about Fleischman being slightly larger than HO scale (1:87). I have some wagons made in US Zone Germany by Fleischman that are even larger than 1:85! Keep in mind that early models by Märklin and Trix Express in the 1930s are scaled under 1:87, being something like 1:90 or so. Over the years, I have aquired a few items of this sort, and although the gauge is HO, the scale is not!😅 Great video! I'm subscribed! (By the way, I know that the models in your analysis are from a later period, but offer some early possible origins to odd issues of scale discrepancies).😊
I think you might have fast forwarded/skipped a few times during the video 😉 About the scale, sure, 1/87 only becane a thing in the mid to late 50s, and even then, it was more a goal to aim for. Models progressively shrunk towards the scale in the decades that followed. Welcome aboard! Thanks for the visit!
Dos cosas, interesante esta comparación y gracias por subir 1- con el caso del amarilleo de las ventanas, se deben sacar de la cabina y sumergirlas en agua oxigenada o que las cubra bien en esa agua que sea a 10 volúmenes o más si se puede conseguir, ponerlas al sol dos días o más, ahí las va a revisar usted y en caja transparente cerrada, algo ayuda a blanquear eso al estar expuestas a la luz UV. .2- Luego veo que la Fleischmann pese a tener motor Buhler, no le pusieron volante, eso ayudaría más a suavizar la marcha a bajas RPM, Saludos.
Thanks for the comment and visit. Other people have commented along the same line about the motor and "retrobright". Did you ever try the brightening yourself on locomotive windows?
It seems that the struggle of the Fleischmann model on radius 1 curves does not bother you... and did you notice the separately fitted details - yeah, the silver ones - on the Märklin model, that are molded and black on the Fleischmann one? Nice video tough, I've happily subscribed. I'm tired of those english DC/OO scale videos, with their Hornby-ble models. And of course, my first and only trains were Märklin on M-rails xD
The Fleischmann doesn't struggle on radius one, it just runs slower than the marklin model at the same transformer setting. This applies to any radius, ramp or straight. I concentrated on the obvious stuff for the details, the video would have been too long otherwise, the same applies for the different track systems I talk about at the beginning of the video for example, I left some stuff out there too... Thanks for the visit!
Back in the 60's I had jumble sale find, a Hornby Dublo three rail A4 with smoke feature. Only having a Tri-ang layout, I tried it out on my friend's the 'rail' layout, well, studs. Placed on track, power on, no movement but lots of smoke!
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Excellent work! Please do the same for Lima and Rivarossi!
If I ever come accross something I can directly compare I will certainly do. Thanks for the visit!
You can make the crawl speed of a Marklin better if you change the carbon brush with a copper brush. Ofcourse it will now also be faster on high speed setting.
I have to disagree I am afraid... You will destroy the commutator... Not a good idea... The copper brush's purpose is to prevent the accumulation of graphite on the commutator. It does this through friction. If 2 copper brushes are used, the commutator will warm up, and its surface will deteriorate though abrasion. The graphite brush lubricates the commutator, which balances the effect of the copper brush on the surface out. But, the opposite would work and would make the loco slower. In the 50s Marklin actually sold pairs of carbon brushes as an option, I think this was reference 497/3 LP, later 60030. Marklin switched to graphite only brushes when they changed from cylindrical to cubic/square brushes.Thanks for the visit!
@@The3rdRail I know it is not good for the commutator but with a lower voltage you will make the train crawl . So for locomotives doing only station work it can be used to make it look better. 2 carbon brushes would make it slower but would it make even harder to make it crawl I think. I'll give it a try.
they are your trains, you do what you want with them... 😉
I don't have any Fleischmann stock. I have Marklin and Rocco. The Rocco is just as detailed and well made as the Marklin locos. All my Marklin locos are made in Germany and the Rocco locos are all made in Austria.
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I own a large number of non-Märklin locos for the AC system. Among them are steam locomotives (only steam!) from Trix, Roco, Piko, Fleischmann, Liliput, Kleinbahn, Klein Modellbahn, Westmodel and others. The motivation to buy them was not so much the comparison to the models from Märklin, but the completion of my collection. Because there are also steam locomotives that Märklin never built. Or did not produce it for a long time. For example, the fantastic tank locomotive VI c of the Grand Duchy of Baden State Railway. I own 4 different copies of them from the Viennese company Liliput. All in Länderbahn livery and numbering. My interest is less in the concrete driving characteristics. After all, we are in the field of technical toys, not in the field of technical demonstration objects 1/87 for the use of industrial customers who want to buy a Loco of them in 1/1 scale! Likewise, I am not one of the so-called "rivet counters" who constantly have to compare and measure the model with the prototype in order to get satisfaction. I want to have a historical overview of German steam locomotive construction from 1840 to 1963, from the first locomotive built in Germany (the "Saxonia" from Dresden) to the last Bundesbahn and Reichsbahn locomotives of the sixties. And of course, all machines should be able to run on the AC system. Just for fun!🚅🚅By the way: the locomotives of Austria also belong to this collection area, because the Danube Monarchy was a part of the German Confederation until 1867, and thus a part of Germany like Bavaria, Hanover, and all other German states as well. Some of the most beautiful steam locomotives come from Austria, designed by Karl Gölsdorf.
Looks like you have a nice collection theme.I find Austria interesting too, not because of the German connection, but because of the variety of what ran on the railways over the years. Thanks for spending some your valuable here today.
Thanks for this comparison, as a purchaser of 2nd hand Fleishmann models, I run a wild mix of 2 rail HO and OO scale train models on my pretend heritage layout. Malkin are rarely available and I can't run them, but I have always guessed that Malkin were the best quality models. So Roco and Fleishmann are the best!!!
Thanks for stopping by. Märklin sold 2-rail versions of a choice of its models under the HAMO brand, of which you'll find plenty of on eBay UK at mostly reasonable prices. I am only comparing 2 models here, and wouldn't go as far as saying that one brand's entire production is better than the other as a result. What does better mean anyway? My better might be completely different from someone else's. In this case this was almost too close to call. What matters is to have fun running them, and both deliver in this respect.
I love the Marklin track system! Thank you for sharing. (Frank)
Glad you like it!
Everything looks amazing! 👍😊
Thank you! 🤗
Just incredible train action! Love the 2nd level. BIG 👍 (Frank)
Thanks again!
Awesome layout! 👍
Thank you very much!
Fantastic running session!👍
Thank you! 👍
What a fantastic view! Amazing!!💯❤😎
thanks!
Your layout looks amazing my friend! Beautiful action! 👍🚂🚃🚃💨💨
Thank you very much!
Great running session!😊
Thanks for watching
Great smoker! Amazing running session!
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Very impressive layout! Love the Marklin catenary track system. I’ve just started collecting this catenary system. It looks so real and authentic yet vintage. 👍 (Frank)
still easy to find too, often even unused in original packaging.
Thank you so much for the tutorial on this transformer. I really enjoyed your video. (Frank)💯👍
You are very welcome