@@frankfromchicago9248 Exactly. They're well aware of the problem, and this issue is 100% covered in the general engine warranty for the motorcycle because we've literally done them a few times already on different bikes at my shop. And Burch not being made aware of these by the cycle shop he took this to just shows that the shop, or at least the CSA that handled his intake forms and maintenance request was at best, dishonest about the issue.
@@TH-camsucksdix I'm not sure you understand how a warranty works. This specific leak is covered under the general engine warranty and costs $0. You'd still have to pay for an oil change though.
That bike shop just gained a lot of bad PR and word of mouth, hope they feel it was worth it especially coming from a prominent youtuber based nearby. Definitely looking like a recall issue, and you're right, the more people that fix it themselves the less of an issue Honda sees it as, and will continue to ignore it
Hang on a second we should not bash any repair shop unless they screwed up the bike? We still need them and it seems to me they could not agree on to charge for oil change or not? The oil was not defective the craftsmanship was? So I don’t think the shop should cover the oil change maybe Honda but not the shop.
@@rogerparliman1892 no bashing, but you can see what they tried to do, sneak in the cost of an oil change when it should have been covered by the stator repair, since to do that would have required an oil change anyhow
@@HifeMan The issue is that it was itemized already once, Honda comes in to remove the Stator charge, so the shop comes back to add an additional charge for more money.
@@rogerparliman1892 so being dodgy as shit with overcharging customers and double dipping for work is okay as long because they didn't have the chance to break it? what a shitty lack of accountability
If you didn't catch it, Honda just recalled the smaller Rebels for crankcase oil leaks two weeks ago. In that case they painted a small bit that wasn't supposed to be and it leaked from there.
Wow...Rebels, Monkey Bikes, Groms ..what has happened to Honda? Not the Honda I remember from the 80s/90s, never had any of my stuff recalled back then and never had any issues.
@@robbieracer3294 maybe the machines get more sophisticated - DCT wasn't around in the 80's . and by the way - cars and any other machines from the 80's HAD $h!t LOAD OF PROBLEMS. what they didn't had was million sensors connected to computer and many other parts like fuel injection and cruise control and many more components .
Yes, everything is so complicated these days. I just went back to my roots, and bought a 1973 Honda 750 K3! Well cared for with only 30k miles on it. Back in the day (when I was a kid!), I purchased a new 1975 Honda 750 K5. Put over 100k trouble-free miles on it; went cross country in 1979, and toured up and down the east coast and locally quite frequently. Also commuted to work and college. No recalls, never broke down and was easy to maintain; I performed most of the service on my own.
Thank you for this update. I've been narrowing down which bike to add to my garage for a while now and the Honda Rebel 1100 has consistently been on that list for its low price and expected reliability. Hearing this from you, a person who loves their bike, is definitely altering my list. Thank you, sir.
Sounds like a shop I'd never go back to, if this were me going through this situation. They were 100% trying to nickel and dime you for every cent they could get out of you.
Yo Burch, master tech of 15 years here. That oil leak is warrantied through Honda because it's a common issue from the factory. It should have ONLY costed you the amount of the oil change. I've done a few of them at my shop. The reason why they are trying to charge you for this, is because shops make very little (if any) money on warranty jobs.
We used to actually lose money on warrantee work, simply because the labour rate was lower and it stopped you from doing work at the full rate, also warrantee work is notoriously hard to do in the amount of time they allow.
@@onecookieboy Yep I've had the same issue from time to time. But I don't do my work simply to make money. If i was concerned with making loads of money there are many other things I could be doing other than running a shop and being a tech myself. I do it because I enjoy it, and it helps those who need it. And that's enough for me. That said, this job about the oil leaks on these bikes isn't labor intensive and can be done in about an hour. So even if the cycle shop Burch went to wasn't doing it under warranty (which is already a huge red flag about their business practices), then their goal is to simply rip people off by lying to them. And that honestly pisses me off as someone in the trade.
Seems like the oil leaks were mainly on the first model year runs. However if thats the case then honda figured out the issue post 2021 and should have made it a recall.
Shit tires will cause any bike to have issues. Buy better tires and these bikes have zero issues with wobble. As for this oil leak, it isn't a big deal and is already covered through Honda's warranty. Pete's Cycle was just being dishonest and not wanting to "lose" money on doing a warranty shop.
@@DaroffApFire This is a decently expensive bike and what is supposed to be one of the most reputable brands. The tires shouldn't be god-tier or michelins but they better not be "shit tires". Tires are expensive to replace especially when you just bought a brand new bike for 12k after taxes/fees.
@@mexifry222 I mean. The god-tier tires are Continentals, but yeah I do understand what you're saying. I, however, haven't experienced any problems whatsoever with the Rebel 1100's I've ridden at 100MPH speeds, even while making turns. And I've been on a few. We just don't have enough documented data to support the claim that these bikes have any inherent wobble coming from the front end.
@@robbieracer3294 I literally said that the most important thing you can do for front end handling, including wobble, is get good tires. And yeah it's a shame they don't give you the best tires you can buy when you purchase the bike. I know 11k is cheap for a new motorcycle, but still, tires aren't that expensive.
Gday mate Honda CMX 1100 owner from down under(Australia) Found same oil leak Don’t drain the oil, lean the bike over 30 degrees to the right , and do the reseal ( I’m a qualified mech, did my apprenticeship on mainly Honda bikes) Cheers Craigo
Thanks for the video. It is very important. I got 13,000 plus miles on my 21 Rebel 1100cc DCT and no issues yet, but I'm watching it now like a hawk. Greetings from NJ Sea Bright.
good job getting your bike back man. Lots of horror stories out there of dealerships just racking on pointless parts. I mean was your stator grommet even damaged, I doubt it. I think they were just trying to lure you in with the free stator you probably don't even need. best of luck to you.
I'm not sure that's entirely what's happening here, i can buy that Honda have changed the guidance and actually do want the stator change this time (rather than it being the dealer going rogue), but if the partzilla price for a stator is 280 or so, and the dealer price is 420, Honda going over the dealer's head and offering a free stator to the customer means the dealer misses out on their roughly $150 markup just on the part. Amazingly, just after that, the dealer helpfully remembers they were apparently supposed to whack on £150 for an oil change. i wouldn't even call it sketchy, it's outright slimy AF
This is wild... You original plan on using Honda bond was the way to go. My dealer did that and only charged me $90 for the work. $180 for the inspection and $90 for the work (with the oil change). It was a bit much but it wasn't $900+. I guess some people have dealerships, others have STEALERships. Hope it works out bro.
It sucks. I was lucky I found the leak a week before the warranty expired and they fixed. Also, I went ahead and bought the 5 year warranty. Better safe than sorry. I would seal the side cover for now, so you can ride peacefully at the meet. Good luck 👍🏼
Not directly related, but I needed my fuel pump in my CBR250R fixed. Honda quoted me a 2 month wait for the part, and $500AU for the part, excluding fitment. I was kind of pissed off, so I politely declined the quote. I got a rebuild kit from a local parts supplier and in a couple of hours had the problem fixed. It is really discouraging how seemingly all major companies are treating customers like shit ever since COVID. On the up side, if your bike is problematic, it will teach you how to become an amateur mechanic, whether you like it or not :P
I have the exact same bike, thanks for bringing this issue to light. I hope this was more of an issue with that shop and in the end Honda helps with a stator and you get it resolved somewhere else. That was painful to watch / hear the poor customer service.
When I first saw you say $939, I thought that would be the entire repair, both sides. But $939 when you could remove that cover and put new Honda bond? Honda needs to do a TSB for this issue to cover the cost for anyone experiencing it.
Thx for the job to put that in public ! And btw, there is 2 things a rider needs. First a good bike and second a good mechanic / workshop.. one to trust. The other ones we call them *the friendly ones*, are just there to make money on your back. greets !
You channel gave me that extra nudge to go ahead and buy my own 2022 rebel 1100 DCT. It's my first motorcycle I wish I had done this years ago. Keep up the great work.👍👏
Good job not giving in to that shop. That is 100% some scam stuff. Unless there is evidence of communication between that shop and Honda regarding the good will of the part, I would not be quick to believe it. They easily could have found a cheap or used replacement part and were ready to be duplicitous because the entire conversation you recorded sounds duplicitous. Hopefully Honda does a recall, however, rather than just do a public campaign on your prospective channels, have you guys talked about doing a call in, where you get people together with this problem and you all call into Honda all in the same day. Essentially run a call in lobby with people affected by this. That generally is going to get some big corporate attention.
Hi, love your informative videos. I checked out the Honda Rebels in the dealership. I liked them! When I followed your posts about your girlfriends Rebel 500 and your Rebel 1100 I was disappointed to read about the fluid leak problems. Being that the Rebels are a compareitivy nw model, I have to conclude that cost cutting was involved in the deseign of the bikes. As such I bought and am happy with my Suzuki Vstrom 650. I want to be riding, not wondering where fluid leaks are coming from. Stay safe! 😁
As someone who use to work as a mechanic at a ford dealer you always incude all things that need to be done in all estimates otherwise you just eat it.
I had the exact problem if your trying to keep #s.Happy to say my dealer DHY in Depford NJ did not jerk me around. Had a great time this weekend with everybody. RIDE SAFE EVERYBODY. See everyone next time😎
I did the stator sealant job on my CB1100. Very easy job. Just do the job yourself cut out the dealer, forget the warranty… The dealer would probably do it wrong anyway… On the bleed valve; on my CRF there are two grommets inside one for oil and one for coolant. I had coolant leak out and had it replaced. Still leaked a little tho. Never had oil out of it. Out of curiosity I visited a dealer and saw 2 new CRF 300 bikes one leaking coolant and one leaking oil. Anyway I know that’s not your specific bike but Honda’s share lots of the same ethos/design throughout models.
@@mattrosenberg6108 No, he's being realistic. A motorcycle is an expensive hobby. Buy a cage for your basic transportation or Uber it. I bought a used 2018 Harley Davidson with 15k miles on it. I would expect, even if I bought a NEW HD, that outside of the warranty period, I am liable for any problems or repairs it might need. That's why I buy a used bike, I let the original new owner deal with repairs under warranty. I no longer trust dealerships for anything, I use independent shops.
Me and my husband have changed plenty of stators without draining the oil. From the Stator cover you only really lose about a shot glass worth of oil. You can just top it off.
I wasn't very handy with a wrench until I started riding. Had my first bike for 15 years and after a few bad experiences with various shops I swore to just start doing my own work. They want way too much money and there's enough info on forums to handle most every issue. Did a carb rebuild, stator replacement, valve adjustment, rear end replacement (shaft driven Vulcan), speedo sprocket, brakes and oil changes. Over the years I probably saved thousands in dealer markups/labor hours and really learned to understand my machine. It'll be a process, there's going to be some blood, sweat, tears and some cussing, but I'd start doing work on your bike myself and make videos on it.
Reminds me of the 04-08 R1, 06-14 FZ1 and 2011-2014 FZ8 generator rotor. It's so well documented it's an issue and yamaha never issued a recall. Sorry to hear about this problem my friend.
Watching this video and reading comments like this make me have second thoughts about buying my 2023 Rebel 1100. I did get the extended warranty but disheartening to know know that the bike has a known issue and Honda refuses to acknowledge or do anything about it. And I currently have an older Yamaha Rhino and was looking to upgrade it to a Honda ATV. Mine only has a little over 400 miles as I've just had it a few months and waiting on the weather to warm up. Really love the bike so far and how it rides but looking at a few years down the road wondering if it will turn into a money pit. And I know money pits as I own a Jeep Wrangler lol! Guess I'll just wait and see. BTW. Two of the best mods I've made to the bike are the Burly Brand MX footpegs and the Memphis Shades Gauntlet. Did them both when the bike was new thanks to this channel and they've both made a world of difference even with the limited time I've rode it!
One of the great things about Japanese bixe over British bixe in the 60's etc was that they didn't leak oil. Honda seem to have drop the ball on this model potentially. Well done you for sticking your neck out and saying this should be a recall.
Great video man! I have the 300 model and I’ve noticed an extremely light oil leak underneath the bike, i haven’t quite deduced where it’s coming from but it seem to be seeping slowly but consistently and develops into a drop just below the housing for the oil filter before it drips.
I could be wrong but I thought there had to be hundreds or thousands of people experiencing an issue before a manufacturer issued a recall. I think in this case they're just chalking it up as a lemon. Hopefully your video gets enough folks to submit claims to Honda in order for them to see it's worth issuing a recall. Good luck, man.
So for the same problem, Honda would use a cheap solution for a bike under warranty and an expensive solution for a bike that is not? It seems so sketchy, it does not feel like a goodwill offer from Honda at all.
I get your point here but I'd still fix it myself. Moving manufacturing to Thailand probably has something to do with the drop in quality. None of these companies have the coffers to care for the customer the way they used to. Too much governmental compliance with multiple multiple companies. Love the channel. Best of luck!
You have enough skills to repair with Honda sealant, I would do so and wait for recall, enjoy your meet and riding. Will say you're right in that it's Africa Twin motor with time to addressed, peace
Hey Burch, I spilled some of my oil by mistake because mine was leaking too. So that was Monday 12/18/23, and on 12/19/23 I wend 22 miles round trip and it's not leaking and the oil light hasn't come on either. Going to go longer distance as soon as it warms up 🥶
I got a Honda CB650r, 2020, and there’s so many cases of oil leak from the water pump and there is no recall yet. I feel like it’s the same situation here, a lot of cases but no acknowledgement of it being a problem. The only fix so far for me was replacing the water pump as a whole which I was fortunate enough to be able to do the job myself.
This is the same thing I'm going through right now with the Honda dealer ship here in Jacksonville NC. I bought a new 2023 Honda Grom from them last June that only has 700 miles on it. The ABS light keeps coming on and staying on, and the rear wheel bearing and dust seal blew out a few weeks a go. I took my bike to them for repairs, which they stated would be covered under the factory warranty. I get a call a few days later telling me they need to do a diagnostic on it before they can fix it. They know what's wrong already, so I ask them why they couldn't just fix it. I was told that the technician would need the diagnostic before he would do any work. I think it's there way of saying we want your 150.00 out of pocket first. Then I was told it my be June before I get my bike back because of the back log. I'm thinking of calling Honda corp myself to see what the problem is. Stay strong and ride safe brother.
As a car tech. Diagnostics is a pert of it. You brought it to a shop where experienced people are going to fix it. If you don’t want to pay to have it fixed. You just fix it yourself. But I’m not fixing something cuz you say so I want to diagnose and see what the issue is and what caused it. Then you get a warranty. If I just do what you say then there’s no warranty. And most times the customer is wrong.
have been thinking about getting the 1100T (deluxe) but a continuing problem like the oil leak is a concern, even my current Harley does not leak. wow thanks for the insight.
If you are a Honda dealer and you know there is a problem with the bikes that could be fixed with a bit of sealer, wouldn't you go ahead and do that before you sell it?
They had to have. These oil leaks seem to be happening on the 2021 model years and the 2022 have been fine. Honda most likely figured it out and fixed it on future models. If thats the case then they should just recall it and fix it.
Doesn't that sound just like a shop, though? If you have an oil leak it's likely a gasket or a seal, so they act like draining and refilling the oil would not be a part of that service. That would be extra, like they should do that because you just got clean oil. I remember back when stator wires were on the dry side of a crankshaft seal. I saw a Triumph having the same sort of problem on you tube. Are electrical wires supposed to run in oil? Man, this isn't like the old days at all. Welcome to the modern world, I guess. I liked the old one better.
This is precisely why I prefer old bikes - simple design and simple maintenance and repairs you can usually do yourself. Modern bikes are complicated, require specialist equipment and training to maintain and repair and usually involve replacing entire components rather than repair / modify the particular issues. Whenever I see a bike on the back of a Tow Truck, seemingly it’s always a “new” bike.
Hey Burch, I've got the 2021 1100 as well, and it's got a decent oil leak in the same spot. Been following your updates. Let us know what you decide to do. If you fix it yourself, please do a video of it, so the rest of us can fix ours. Sucks this is an issue with the bike we love so much. Thanks for your content! -Natalie
Had A CB500F that leaked oil with 2500 miles. The previous year was recalled for this but not mine. Soured me on Honda a bit. And the problem with the warranty is you still have to deal with stealerships.
Totally suck! 😎 Is this a common complaint registered? Sounds like a recall issue to me! Man, faulty product as it stands. no external damage that would have caused it. Hope it gets resolved, keep us posted. Good luck!
Honestly big dawg... I wouldn't have even gave them another chance to do the work. 1st they said they can get to your diagnosis in 8 days... took longer... 2nd they gave you an estimate days afters and had to touch base with Honda for the repair recommendations... 3rd they gave you an "incomplete" estimate. I used to be a service writer and it's best practice to over estimate and separate required repairs vs recommended. Granted I was in the car industry and not motorcycle industry but the fact he didn't even explain in detail what the labor service entails is an immediate no from me for any mechanic. Hope the bike gets fixed. Love your vids! 🤙🏽
Had my leak fixed about a month ago at Honda Powersports of Houston. They recommended full part replacement similar to your experience but my total was $590 for everything.
I bet you end up fixing it yourself. I have only watched 3 of your videos so far, but I can tell you are a smart guy and giving away money to a dealership for something you can handle might be a waste.
I just had a similar story with a f150 water leak , self diag , self fix on what I feel is a crap design flaw. Your journey has made me slightly apprehensive on buying my rebel which is still on back order with no light at the end of the tunnel
So Pete’s cycle was just trying to screw you over. I’m a service tech at a Honda shop while I haven’t seen this issue on the Rebel 1100 yet I have had to fix the same stator issue on an Africa Twin which is the same engine. Like you said a little dab of Honda bond on the stator grommet and it’s good to go. Good ol Pete was just trying to get you for a $400 lick. As for oil coming from the weep hole again you are correct oil shouldn’t come from that hole. The water pump is driven by the oil pump and there is an o-ring on the water pump shaft that acts as an oil seal. That o-ring has failed and allowed oil to seep through. I would get that issue fixed before I worried about the stator because you don’t want oil in your coolant. Sorry you had to be jerked around by a shady shop.
My KTM 390 has a very minor leak/weep from its stator location. Many 390s have that. I fixed it permanently in 3 minutes using some high heat silicone. That was applied over a year ago and it's rock solid still. Edit: just watched till the end. Fair points, Honda should address this. Are other models with the same engine leaking too?
If you just put the same stator on when the problem is the grommet, won't it just leak again? If they are just going to seal it better when they replace it that means the stator doesn't need to be replaced at all, right?
Had a similar issue with Crofton Powersports on my Africa Twin. Even with an extended warranty, they tried to charge me for a diagnostic fee. Ended up taking the bike to Easton. I live two and half hours from Crofton. Local shop is less than 10 miles away and basically refused to look at the bike even though it was still under original warranty. So much for Honda "dealer network." Been buying from a local Suzuki/Triumph dealer for last several bikes because I know they will stand behind any issues.
i spent 20 yrs working on cars for a defunct gm carline. there are "factory" and "field" repairs. you were quoted a factory repair. and, you are correct when you say the field repair is all it needs. just a dealer doin' dealer things.
That’s a rough call… not very good customer service. Sorry you’re having to deal with that. Weird take… That would be like Me doing an engine job… then adding an oil change to the bill… parts of course… but that’s to be quoted as the job… as it’s part of it (like you said) Honda needs to do something for this issue. Happy you’ve documented this.
Hey! Thanks for the video. Checked mine (also 2021) and it's not leaking as bad as yours but I can see a coat of oil on the left side that probably isn't supposed to be there. I'll keep an eye and probably ask honda to check before my warranty expires.
I have not had the oil leak but will watch as mine is a 2021, but has anyone you know had the water pump issue ?? I also like you thought it's a Honda not a new motor just some tweaks, don't need the warranty. I have already had one front shock blow and my water pump failed. I know because yes coolant came out the weep hole but it was pouring out when I was running it. Replaced it myself but I am also going to contact Honda. Love all your content keep up the great work 👍
Mr. Burch I call my dealer for service 1month in advance & make appointment so that I take it in & they fix. I get it back next day. Some dealers make you take it in & leave until they get to it.
I have a 2022 dct with that same leak. Was offered the $1000. Dollar fix from the dealer and didn't do it. I just keep an eye on the oil level. I am now at 19500 miles with just a tiny ooze. NBD, i will wait for the recall from Honda.
I also figured that the motor would have zero issues since it’s from African Twin. I have 2k miles and just noticed I have a left side leak. I was down to 3.8 qts when I measured the old oil!
This is a common issue on Triumphs as well. They also replace the entire stator most times for no reason. Most people put some RTV on there and call it a day lol. Its been an issue for years too, wild they wont fix it
Thank you very much for documenting this incident. I would've done the same thing and not purchase a warantee for any honda or toyota vehicle unless they have a high mileage.
16:14 that is Honda‘s quick answer to a factory defect. It’s not acceptable end of discussion. They should be stepping up to the plate and obviously they are not. When I trade in my 2021 Kawasaki, I will not be trading it for a Honda. I’ll be trading it for a manufacturer that takes care of their customers when there’s a problem.
I just put a new stator on my 30 year old Vulcan 500. No sealant and a new gasket and it does not leak. Kawasaki did it the plug up at the top so it is not likely to seep.
Manufacturers are making it so parts are part of the gaskets. So you have to replace a whole component instead of a a simple gasket. Just use Honda sealer. Call it a day
Howdy, howdy. I used to work at honda as a mechanic and they pulled stuff like this on the customer all the time, but also did the same to the techs. They will "good will" a stater, but they pocket the labor and the tech will get paid a reduce amount for the job.
I also have the dreaded oil leak on my 2021 Rebel 1100. I was quoted $800ish with stator and $400ish without. That included LOF. I’ll be repairing it myself when the outside temp gets warmer in Minnesota! It started leaking at about 5k miles. I have over 8k on it now and is getting worse!
Leaking at 5K miles? This is such a disappointment. Honda was built on its reputation for reliability. I won't even consider getting one of these Rebel 1100's.
@@spartanx169x Honestly I wouldn't let that stop you from getting one. The bike is really a great bike for the price and the repair is really simple. I work on my own bikes and is only a $25 tube of sealer. I'm glad there's really no problems with the engine management and DCT systems. That would really be big money! A slight oil leak that can be easily repaired is still pretty cost effective in my opinion.
You just answered your own question. When you're under warranty, they do the cheapest repair because the company is paying! When you're not under warranty, they'll charge you for the MOST expensive repair because you are paying!
This reminds me of what was said in Fight Club, “Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.” I think this might be the reason Honda hasn’t done a recall on the oil leak issues of the Rebel 1100.
Bro, great job for not getting duped by these scam artist dealerships. I hate it when these people take advantage of situations like this.
Thanks for documenting and making it public for Honda to notice.
Honda HAS noticed, and this oil leak is already warrantied. Pete's Cycle is just being dishonest and ripping Burch off.
Honda knows about it, mine had the same stator leak, but I bought the extended warrenty. The dealer told me honda was aware of the problem.
@@frankfromchicago9248 Exactly. They're well aware of the problem, and this issue is 100% covered in the general engine warranty for the motorcycle because we've literally done them a few times already on different bikes at my shop. And Burch not being made aware of these by the cycle shop he took this to just shows that the shop, or at least the CSA that handled his intake forms and maintenance request was at best, dishonest about the issue.
Honda knows and only cares if it saves them $$$$ til then they want you to pay them more for their mistakes
@@TH-camsucksdix I'm not sure you understand how a warranty works. This specific leak is covered under the general engine warranty and costs $0. You'd still have to pay for an oil change though.
That bike shop just gained a lot of bad PR and word of mouth, hope they feel it was worth it especially coming from a prominent youtuber based nearby. Definitely looking like a recall issue, and you're right, the more people that fix it themselves the less of an issue Honda sees it as, and will continue to ignore it
Hang on a second we should not bash any repair shop unless they screwed up the bike? We still need them and it seems to me they could not agree on to charge for oil change or not? The oil was not defective the craftsmanship was? So I don’t think the shop should cover the oil change maybe Honda but not the shop.
@@rogerparliman1892 no bashing, but you can see what they tried to do, sneak in the cost of an oil change when it should have been covered by the stator repair, since to do that would have required an oil change anyhow
@@mikes.7900 Wouldn't the oil change still be an separate fee apart from the stator repair on the bill? Repair bills I get are itemized.
@@HifeMan The issue is that it was itemized already once, Honda comes in to remove the Stator charge, so the shop comes back to add an additional charge for more money.
@@rogerparliman1892 so being dodgy as shit with overcharging customers and double dipping for work is okay as long because they didn't have the chance to break it?
what a shitty lack of accountability
If you didn't catch it, Honda just recalled the smaller Rebels for crankcase oil leaks two weeks ago. In that case they painted a small bit that wasn't supposed to be and it leaked from there.
Wow...Rebels, Monkey Bikes, Groms ..what has happened to Honda? Not the Honda I remember from the 80s/90s, never had any of my stuff recalled back then and never had any issues.
@@robbieracer3294 maybe the machines get more sophisticated - DCT wasn't around in the 80's . and by the way - cars and any other machines from the 80's HAD $h!t LOAD OF PROBLEMS. what they didn't had was million sensors connected to computer and many other parts like fuel injection and cruise control and many more components .
Okay No 1100 Rebel for me , this has made up my mind. Does the 500 have the same issue ?? I'm keeping my 22 Grom for my main mini 🎉 ❤
Yes, everything is so complicated these days. I just went back to my roots, and bought a 1973 Honda 750 K3! Well cared for with only 30k miles on it. Back in the day (when I was a kid!), I purchased a new 1975 Honda 750 K5. Put over 100k trouble-free miles on it; went cross country in 1979, and toured up and down the east coast and locally quite frequently. Also commuted to work and college. No recalls, never broke down and was easy to maintain; I performed most of the service on my own.
@@robertbarel896 Bro this 1100 in the video isn't a DCT.
Thank you for this update. I've been narrowing down which bike to add to my garage for a while now and the Honda Rebel 1100 has consistently been on that list for its low price and expected reliability. Hearing this from you, a person who loves their bike, is definitely altering my list. Thank you, sir.
Sounds like a shop I'd never go back to, if this were me going through this situation. They were 100% trying to nickel and dime you for every cent they could get out of you.
Yo Burch, master tech of 15 years here. That oil leak is warrantied through Honda because it's a common issue from the factory. It should have ONLY costed you the amount of the oil change. I've done a few of them at my shop. The reason why they are trying to charge you for this, is because shops make very little (if any) money on warranty jobs.
We used to actually lose money on warrantee work, simply because the labour rate was lower and it stopped you from doing work at the full rate, also warrantee work is notoriously hard to do in the amount of time they allow.
@@onecookieboy Yep I've had the same issue from time to time. But I don't do my work simply to make money. If i was concerned with making loads of money there are many other things I could be doing other than running a shop and being a tech myself. I do it because I enjoy it, and it helps those who need it. And that's enough for me.
That said, this job about the oil leaks on these bikes isn't labor intensive and can be done in about an hour. So even if the cycle shop Burch went to wasn't doing it under warranty (which is already a huge red flag about their business practices), then their goal is to simply rip people off by lying to them. And that honestly pisses me off as someone in the trade.
Dude I will spread the word about that shop. They were trying to rip you off. I would never go to them! thanks for the heads up
oil leaks, tires causing wabble, suspension problems....i am starting to think the bike isn't worth the trouble
Seems like the oil leaks were mainly on the first model year runs. However if thats the case then honda figured out the issue post 2021 and should have made it a recall.
Shit tires will cause any bike to have issues. Buy better tires and these bikes have zero issues with wobble. As for this oil leak, it isn't a big deal and is already covered through Honda's warranty. Pete's Cycle was just being dishonest and not wanting to "lose" money on doing a warranty shop.
@@DaroffApFire This is a decently expensive bike and what is supposed to be one of the most reputable brands. The tires shouldn't be god-tier or michelins but they better not be "shit tires". Tires are expensive to replace especially when you just bought a brand new bike for 12k after taxes/fees.
@@mexifry222 I mean. The god-tier tires are Continentals, but yeah I do understand what you're saying. I, however, haven't experienced any problems whatsoever with the Rebel 1100's I've ridden at 100MPH speeds, even while making turns. And I've been on a few. We just don't have enough documented data to support the claim that these bikes have any inherent wobble coming from the front end.
@@robbieracer3294 I literally said that the most important thing you can do for front end handling, including wobble, is get good tires. And yeah it's a shame they don't give you the best tires you can buy when you purchase the bike. I know 11k is cheap for a new motorcycle, but still, tires aren't that expensive.
Gday mate
Honda CMX 1100 owner from down under(Australia)
Found same oil leak
Don’t drain the oil, lean the bike over 30 degrees to the right , and do the reseal
( I’m a qualified mech, did my apprenticeship on mainly Honda bikes)
Cheers
Craigo
Thanks for the video. It is very important.
I got 13,000 plus miles on my 21 Rebel 1100cc DCT and no issues yet, but I'm watching it now like a hawk. Greetings from NJ Sea Bright.
And this is why I had the thought to wait to buy an 1100. Now I don't think I want to waste my money.
good job getting your bike back man. Lots of horror stories out there of dealerships just racking on pointless parts. I mean was your stator grommet even damaged, I doubt it. I think they were just trying to lure you in with the free stator you probably don't even need. best of luck to you.
I'm not sure that's entirely what's happening here, i can buy that Honda have changed the guidance and actually do want the stator change this time (rather than it being the dealer going rogue), but if the partzilla price for a stator is 280 or so, and the dealer price is 420, Honda going over the dealer's head and offering a free stator to the customer means the dealer misses out on their roughly $150 markup just on the part.
Amazingly, just after that, the dealer helpfully remembers they were apparently supposed to whack on £150 for an oil change. i wouldn't even call it sketchy, it's outright slimy AF
I better go check mine! I love how calm you stayed on that call 😊
im afraid to look
This is wild... You original plan on using Honda bond was the way to go. My dealer did that and only charged me $90 for the work. $180 for the inspection and $90 for the work (with the oil change). It was a bit much but it wasn't $900+. I guess some people have dealerships, others have STEALERships. Hope it works out bro.
It sucks. I was lucky I found the leak a week before the warranty expired and they fixed. Also, I went ahead and bought the 5 year warranty. Better safe than sorry. I would seal the side cover for now, so you can ride peacefully at the meet. Good luck 👍🏼
Fixed yourself and save money dude, that what I did when my rebel started leaking from the stator grommet. Hope the best for you.
Not directly related, but I needed my fuel pump in my CBR250R fixed. Honda quoted me a 2 month wait for the part, and $500AU for the part, excluding fitment. I was kind of pissed off, so I politely declined the quote. I got a rebuild kit from a local parts supplier and in a couple of hours had the problem fixed. It is really discouraging how seemingly all major companies are treating customers like shit ever since COVID. On the up side, if your bike is problematic, it will teach you how to become an amateur mechanic, whether you like it or not :P
I have the exact same bike, thanks for bringing this issue to light. I hope this was more of an issue with that shop and in the end Honda helps with a stator and you get it resolved somewhere else. That was painful to watch / hear the poor customer service.
I just had mine start leaking from the stator wire in the exact same way. Thank you for posting this. It made diagnosing much easier
When I first saw you say $939, I thought that would be the entire repair, both sides. But $939 when you could remove that cover and put new Honda bond? Honda needs to do a TSB for this issue to cover the cost for anyone experiencing it.
Thx for the job to put that in public ! And btw, there is 2 things a rider needs. First a good bike and second a good mechanic / workshop.. one to trust. The other ones we call them *the friendly ones*, are just there to make money on your back. greets !
You channel gave me that extra nudge to go ahead and buy my own 2022 rebel 1100 DCT. It's my first motorcycle I wish I had done this years ago. Keep up the great work.👍👏
Good job not giving in to that shop. That is 100% some scam stuff. Unless there is evidence of communication between that shop and Honda regarding the good will of the part, I would not be quick to believe it. They easily could have found a cheap or used replacement part and were ready to be duplicitous because the entire conversation you recorded sounds duplicitous. Hopefully Honda does a recall, however, rather than just do a public campaign on your prospective channels, have you guys talked about doing a call in, where you get people together with this problem and you all call into Honda all in the same day. Essentially run a call in lobby with people affected by this. That generally is going to get some big corporate attention.
Buddy thats an absolutely savage idea! Thumbs up on the call center idea
Thank you, Pig, for being the comedic humor in this horror story.
Hahah you win the best comment for sure! 😂🏆🤘🏻
"OK that sounds well, wish you good weekend" awful way to quickly end a call when you realize you've been caught 😆
Hi, love your informative videos. I checked out the Honda Rebels in the dealership. I liked them! When I followed your posts about your girlfriends Rebel 500 and your Rebel 1100 I was disappointed to read about the fluid leak problems. Being that the Rebels are a compareitivy nw model, I have to conclude that cost cutting was involved in the deseign of the bikes. As such I bought and am happy with my Suzuki Vstrom 650. I want to be riding, not wondering where fluid leaks are coming from. Stay safe! 😁
As someone who use to work as a mechanic at a ford dealer you always incude all things that need to be done in all estimates otherwise you just eat it.
I had the exact problem if your trying to keep #s.Happy to say my dealer DHY in Depford NJ did not jerk me around. Had a great time this weekend with everybody. RIDE SAFE EVERYBODY. See everyone next time😎
Are people seeing leaks in the 2022 and 2023 or just the 2021?
Great video as always!
I did the stator sealant job on my CB1100. Very easy job. Just do the job yourself cut out the dealer, forget the warranty… The dealer would probably do it wrong anyway… On the bleed valve; on my CRF there are two grommets inside one for oil and one for coolant. I had coolant leak out and had it replaced. Still leaked a little tho. Never had oil out of it. Out of curiosity I visited a dealer and saw 2 new CRF 300 bikes one leaking coolant and one leaking oil.
Anyway I know that’s not your specific bike but Honda’s share lots of the same ethos/design throughout models.
“You’re still saving 300$ so I don’t see the issue.” The issue is it’s a bike that is like a year old and has all of 5,000 miles on it.
@@azerogliev6520 lol you work for them bro? Or just have a ton of loyalty? 🤣
@@mattrosenberg6108 No, he's being realistic. A motorcycle is an expensive hobby. Buy a cage for your basic transportation or Uber it. I bought a used 2018 Harley Davidson with 15k miles on it. I would expect, even if I bought a NEW HD, that outside of the warranty period, I am liable for any problems or repairs it might need. That's why I buy a used bike, I let the original new owner deal with repairs under warranty. I no longer trust dealerships for anything, I use independent shops.
Me and my husband have changed plenty of stators without draining the oil. From the Stator cover you only really lose about a shot glass worth of oil. You can just top it off.
I wasn't very handy with a wrench until I started riding. Had my first bike for 15 years and after a few bad experiences with various shops I swore to just start doing my own work. They want way too much money and there's enough info on forums to handle most every issue. Did a carb rebuild, stator replacement, valve adjustment, rear end replacement (shaft driven Vulcan), speedo sprocket, brakes and oil changes. Over the years I probably saved thousands in dealer markups/labor hours and really learned to understand my machine. It'll be a process, there's going to be some blood, sweat, tears and some cussing, but I'd start doing work on your bike myself and make videos on it.
Thanks for making this public I’ll not be getting a rebel 1100 like I thought until this gets solve
sorry to hear that man!
Reminds me of the 04-08 R1, 06-14 FZ1 and 2011-2014 FZ8 generator rotor.
It's so well documented it's an issue and yamaha never issued a recall.
Sorry to hear about this problem my friend.
Watching this video and reading comments like this make me have second thoughts about buying my 2023 Rebel 1100. I did get the extended warranty but disheartening to know know that the bike has a known issue and Honda refuses to acknowledge or do anything about it. And I currently have an older Yamaha Rhino and was looking to upgrade it to a Honda ATV. Mine only has a little over 400 miles as I've just had it a few months and waiting on the weather to warm up. Really love the bike so far and how it rides but looking at a few years down the road wondering if it will turn into a money pit. And I know money pits as I own a Jeep Wrangler lol!
Guess I'll just wait and see.
BTW. Two of the best mods I've made to the bike are the Burly Brand MX footpegs and the Memphis Shades Gauntlet. Did them both when the bike was new thanks to this channel and they've both made a world of difference even with the limited time I've rode it!
This just sounds like every interaction a vehicle owner has ever had with a mechanic
After watching your video, I'm glad that I kept my Rebel 500...no leaks! Thanks for the update.
One of the great things about Japanese bixe over British bixe in the 60's etc was that they didn't leak oil. Honda seem to have drop the ball on this model potentially. Well done you for sticking your neck out and saying this should be a recall.
Great video man! I have the 300 model and I’ve noticed an extremely light oil leak underneath the bike, i haven’t quite deduced where it’s coming from but it seem to be seeping slowly but consistently and develops into a drop just below the housing for the oil filter before it drips.
After reading a few reviews I think the crank case may have something to do with it.
I could be wrong but I thought there had to be hundreds or thousands of people experiencing an issue before a manufacturer issued a recall. I think in this case they're just chalking it up as a lemon. Hopefully your video gets enough folks to submit claims to Honda in order for them to see it's worth issuing a recall. Good luck, man.
So for the same problem, Honda would use a cheap solution for a bike under warranty and an expensive solution for a bike that is not? It seems so sketchy, it does not feel like a goodwill offer from Honda at all.
Things like this are why I'm so glad to have a good relationship with my dealership outside of sales and service.
glad I found this video. ill just hold off on the rebel until next year. maybe theyll fix the problem by then
I get your point here but I'd still fix it myself. Moving manufacturing to Thailand probably has something to do with the drop in quality. None of these companies have the coffers to care for the customer the way they used to. Too much governmental compliance with multiple multiple companies. Love the channel. Best of luck!
You have enough skills to repair with Honda sealant, I would do so and wait for recall, enjoy your meet and riding. Will say you're right in that it's Africa Twin motor with time to addressed, peace
Hey Burch, I spilled some of my oil by mistake because mine was leaking too. So that was Monday 12/18/23, and on 12/19/23 I wend 22 miles round trip and it's not leaking and the oil light hasn't come on either. Going to go longer distance as soon as it warms up 🥶
I got a Honda CB650r, 2020, and there’s so many cases of oil leak from the water pump and there is no recall yet. I feel like it’s the same situation here, a lot of cases but no acknowledgement of it being a problem. The only fix so far for me was replacing the water pump as a whole which I was fortunate enough to be able to do the job myself.
This is the same thing I'm going through right now with the Honda dealer ship here in Jacksonville NC. I bought a new 2023 Honda Grom from them last June that only has 700 miles on it. The ABS light keeps coming on and staying on, and the rear wheel bearing and dust seal blew out a few weeks a go. I took my bike to them for repairs, which they stated would be covered under the factory warranty. I get a call a few days later telling me they need to do a diagnostic on it before they can fix it. They know what's wrong already, so I ask them why they couldn't just fix it. I was told that the technician would need the diagnostic before he would do any work. I think it's there way of saying we want your 150.00 out of pocket first. Then I was told it my be June before I get my bike back because of the back log. I'm thinking of calling Honda corp myself to see what the problem is. Stay strong and ride safe brother.
As a car tech. Diagnostics is a pert of it. You brought it to a shop where experienced people are going to fix it. If you don’t want to pay to have it fixed. You just fix it yourself. But I’m not fixing something cuz you say so I want to diagnose and see what the issue is and what caused it. Then you get a warranty. If I just do what you say then there’s no warranty. And most times the customer is wrong.
have been thinking about getting the 1100T (deluxe) but a continuing problem like the oil leak is a concern, even my current Harley does not leak. wow thanks for the insight.
I guess the 2022 year model is the best one. I’m about to hit 20K miles on mine and still zero issues.
If you are a Honda dealer and you know there is a problem with the bikes that could be fixed with a bit of sealer, wouldn't you go ahead and do that before you sell it?
These guys were full of it and piss poor attitude because they got caught trying to be shady. Glad you exposed them.
That sucks. I'm willing bet that the new stator has a better grommet. They figured it out and fixed it.
They had to have. These oil leaks seem to be happening on the 2021 model years and the 2022 have been fine. Honda most likely figured it out and fixed it on future models. If thats the case then they should just recall it and fix it.
Doesn't that sound just like a shop, though? If you have an oil leak it's likely a gasket or a seal, so they act like draining and refilling the oil would not be a part of that service. That would be extra, like they should do that because you just got clean oil.
I remember back when stator wires were on the dry side of a crankshaft seal. I saw a Triumph having the same sort of problem on you tube. Are electrical wires supposed to run in oil? Man, this isn't like the old days at all. Welcome to the modern world, I guess. I liked the old one better.
Me too. 2021 model. First one from the Scottsdale dealer
This is precisely why I prefer old bikes - simple design and simple maintenance and repairs you can usually do yourself. Modern bikes are complicated, require specialist equipment and training to maintain and repair and usually involve replacing entire components rather than repair / modify the particular issues. Whenever I see a bike on the back of a Tow Truck, seemingly it’s always a “new” bike.
Sorry I couldn’t make it to the meet up! I’ll meet you guys one day 😊
Sounds like a good time for a repair video at home !
Hey Burch, I've got the 2021 1100 as well, and it's got a decent oil leak in the same spot. Been following your updates. Let us know what you decide to do. If you fix it yourself, please do a video of it, so the rest of us can fix ours. Sucks this is an issue with the bike we love so much. Thanks for your content! -Natalie
Had A CB500F that leaked oil with 2500 miles. The previous year was recalled for this but not mine. Soured me on Honda a bit. And the problem with the warranty is you still have to deal with stealerships.
Totally suck! 😎 Is this a common complaint registered? Sounds like a recall issue to me! Man, faulty product as it stands. no external damage that would have caused it. Hope it gets resolved, keep us posted. Good luck!
Honestly big dawg... I wouldn't have even gave them another chance to do the work. 1st they said they can get to your diagnosis in 8 days... took longer... 2nd they gave you an estimate days afters and had to touch base with Honda for the repair recommendations... 3rd they gave you an "incomplete" estimate. I used to be a service writer and it's best practice to over estimate and separate required repairs vs recommended. Granted I was in the car industry and not motorcycle industry but the fact he didn't even explain in detail what the labor service entails is an immediate no from me for any mechanic. Hope the bike gets fixed. Love your vids! 🤙🏽
Had my leak fixed about a month ago at Honda Powersports of Houston. They recommended full part replacement similar to your experience but my total was $590 for everything.
I bet you end up fixing it yourself. I have only watched 3 of your videos so far, but I can tell you are a smart guy and giving away money to a dealership for something you can handle might be a waste.
Great video Burch !!! 🤙🏽
Wow. I was all in for my next bike to be a Rebel 1100. They should have fixed this out of warranty.
Just got a new 2023 1100 Rebel and my oil light came on, less than 80 miles…great video timing for me
I just had a similar story with a f150 water leak , self diag , self fix on what I feel is a crap design flaw. Your journey has made me slightly apprehensive on buying my rebel which is still on back order with no light at the end of the tunnel
@@azerogliev6520 im picky looking for a 23 manual green, which is nowhere to be found on the west coast it seems.
So Pete’s cycle was just trying to screw you over. I’m a service tech at a Honda shop while I haven’t seen this issue on the Rebel 1100 yet I have had to fix the same stator issue on an Africa Twin which is the same engine. Like you said a little dab of Honda bond on the stator grommet and it’s good to go. Good ol Pete was just trying to get you for a $400 lick. As for oil coming from the weep hole again you are correct oil shouldn’t come from that hole. The water pump is driven by the oil pump and there is an o-ring on the water pump shaft that acts as an oil seal. That o-ring has failed and allowed oil to seep through. I would get that issue fixed before I worried about the stator because you don’t want oil in your coolant. Sorry you had to be jerked around by a shady shop.
My KTM 390 has a very minor leak/weep from its stator location. Many 390s have that. I fixed it permanently in 3 minutes using some high heat silicone. That was applied over a year ago and it's rock solid still. Edit: just watched till the end. Fair points, Honda should address this. Are other models with the same engine leaking too?
but it's a KTM so it should be normal lol :D
If you just put the same stator on when the problem is the grommet, won't it just leak again? If they are just going to seal it better when they replace it that means the stator doesn't need to be replaced at all, right?
I vote for option 2, it is not hard to RTV a side case, and add some RTV around the grommet that is leaking.
Had a similar issue with Crofton Powersports on my Africa Twin. Even with an extended warranty, they tried to charge me for a diagnostic fee. Ended up taking the bike to Easton. I live two and half hours from Crofton. Local shop is less than 10 miles away and basically refused to look at the bike even though it was still under original warranty. So much for Honda "dealer network." Been buying from a local Suzuki/Triumph dealer for last several bikes because I know they will stand behind any issues.
i spent 20 yrs working on cars for a defunct gm carline. there are "factory" and "field" repairs. you were quoted a factory repair. and, you are correct when you say the field repair is all it needs. just a dealer doin' dealer things.
That’s a rough call… not very good customer service. Sorry you’re having to deal with that.
Weird take… That would be like
Me doing an engine job… then adding an oil change to the bill… parts of course… but that’s to be quoted as the job… as it’s part of it (like you said)
Honda needs to do something for this issue. Happy you’ve documented this.
Hey! Thanks for the video. Checked mine (also 2021) and it's not leaking as bad as yours but I can see a coat of oil on the left side that probably isn't supposed to be there. I'll keep an eye and probably ask honda to check before my warranty expires.
Oh man, I saw the thumbnail man. That uh, that sucks.
And then I heard the first few seconds...
Take it to used bike emporium in Hanover, they don’t bullshit around they are busy and quick, it definitely won’t be near $1000 dollars.
How is a broken part not covered under warranty?
I have not had the oil leak but will watch as mine is a 2021, but has anyone you know had the water pump issue ?? I also like you thought it's a Honda not a new motor just some tweaks, don't need the warranty. I have already had one front shock blow and my water pump failed. I know because yes coolant came out the weep hole but it was pouring out when I was running it. Replaced it myself but I am also going to contact Honda. Love all your content keep up the great work 👍
Mr. Burch I call my dealer for service 1month in advance & make appointment so that I take it in & they fix. I get it back next day. Some dealers make you take it in & leave until they get to it.
After I bought my 2017 SV650, I thankfully have never had bring it back to the stealership for anything. I don't even go to them for oem parts.
I have a 2022 dct with that same leak. Was offered the $1000. Dollar fix from the dealer and didn't do it. I just keep an eye on the oil level. I am now at 19500 miles with just a tiny ooze. NBD, i will wait for the recall from Honda.
I also figured that the motor would have zero issues since it’s from African Twin. I have 2k miles and just noticed I have a left side leak. I was down to 3.8 qts when I measured the old oil!
One day they might have a warrantee extension. I would spray the outside with brake clean and seal it from the outside first. Won't look pretty.
This is a common issue on Triumphs as well. They also replace the entire stator most times for no reason. Most people put some RTV on there and call it a day lol. Its been an issue for years too, wild they wont fix it
The Stator leaks on the Africa Twin too. Same engine.
Thank you very much for documenting this incident. I would've done the same thing and not purchase a warantee for any honda or toyota vehicle unless they have a high mileage.
16:14 that is Honda‘s quick answer to a factory defect. It’s not acceptable end of discussion. They should be stepping up to the plate and obviously they are not. When I trade in my 2021 Kawasaki, I will not be trading it for a Honda. I’ll be trading it for a manufacturer that takes care of their customers when there’s a problem.
I just put a new stator on my 30 year old Vulcan 500. No sealant and a new gasket and it does not leak. Kawasaki did it the plug up at the top so it is not likely to seep.
Manufacturers are making it so parts are part of the gaskets. So you have to replace a whole component instead of a a simple gasket. Just use Honda sealer. Call it a day
Howdy, howdy. I used to work at honda as a mechanic and they pulled stuff like this on the customer all the time, but also did the same to the techs. They will "good will" a stater, but they pocket the labor and the tech will get paid a reduce amount for the job.
I also have the dreaded oil leak on my 2021 Rebel 1100. I was quoted $800ish with stator and $400ish without. That included LOF. I’ll be repairing it myself when the outside temp gets warmer in Minnesota! It started leaking at about 5k miles. I have over 8k on it now and is getting worse!
Leaking at 5K miles? This is such a disappointment. Honda was built on its reputation for reliability. I won't even consider getting one of these Rebel 1100's.
@@spartanx169x Honestly I wouldn't let that stop you from getting one. The bike is really a great bike for the price and the repair is really simple. I work on my own bikes and is only a $25 tube of sealer. I'm glad there's really no problems with the engine management and DCT systems. That would really be big money! A slight oil leak that can be easily repaired is still pretty cost effective in my opinion.
You just answered your own question. When you're under warranty, they do the cheapest repair because the company is paying! When you're not under warranty, they'll charge you for the MOST expensive repair because you are paying!
$150 for an oil change?
You can get a minor service in the UK for that price...wow..are American mechanics the best paid job??? Crazy man
This reminds me of what was said in Fight Club, “Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one.” I think this might be the reason Honda hasn’t done a recall on the oil leak issues of the Rebel 1100.
Was lookin at 1100 now not so much!!!!