I agree with your opinion to noisy clutches. It reminds me to times when children put ice sticks on the rear wheel to get attention. A kingdom for a silent race bike wheelset. Thanks for your videos!
mmhmm, not unlike those little boys and their ricey racers with brappy exhausts or what I call Drag Queen Syndrome - "oooo look at me look at meeeee!!!" Grinds my rotors I tell ya 😡
Man I remember back in the day oz cycle, Rj the bike guy and bikeman4u. Repairing my father’s and grandfather’s bikes, waxing chains, degreasing chains using deisel fuel just to squeeze everything out of a vintage mtb and road bike so that i have something to race with. These guys build my childhood. Using what little was tools available to enjoy and compete
Neat to see the DT swiss copy freehubs on chinese carbon wheels, some thicker grease in there I believe makes them nice and quiet, mostly in MTB the noisy freehub trend is gone, it was super annoying while it was around.
I have a well known Japanese expensive wheel set, and everything goes fine until one day I passed the 75 kms hour speed down hill. It was a nightmare, believed I had a flat and my life end there. Fortunately I was able to stop and was only rear unbalance wheel. Checked all my Strava files and all faster speeds went about 72 , 73 kms/h. So 75 kms/h was the barrier. Unpleasant. Check your bike handle it from the seat post and move the pedals with the hand as fast you can, let freewheel work and if you notice any up-down vibration check it. A few grams of sheet lead glued under the rim tape will cure it. It's a good video to make Mr. OZ Regards from up-over.
Thanks mate for pointing out that bike wheels have to be trued to cope with high speeds. The valves from the deeper rims cause a weight distribution issue. Usually i true them in the stand with led balls from fishing until it doesn’t have a heavy point 🤙
@@domestique3954 My experience was different., heavier part of the wheel was at the opposite part of the valve... Made any full wheel stand tests just adding some lead weight to the upper part of the spokes and later fine tuning with that weight glued under rim tape. I hammered lead to get a tin layer with round borders ....and looks fine now. Front wheel had no issues.
Hi, are you using the Park tool Tension app? if so, did you calibrate your tool for the same readings as the TP1? or yours is basically the same? thanks
Great thorough review. While there was no rim tape on, weren't you tempted to adjust the tension of the worst spokes ? What is the issue with "ripples" on the inside of the rim ? It can't be aesthetics. Why do you bother greasing the freehub splines before fitting the cassette and the centrelock splines before fitting the rotors ? They aren't surfaces constantly sliding over one-another and the grease only attracts dirt which will grind away at the contact points.
I ride wheels for 1,000km for review then adjust spokes if required. Nipples inside rim for better aerodynamics. Grease stops creaking ,prevents corrosion and easier to remove cassette when required.
Rims only or wheelset? Pretty much all rims will take 110kg. For wheels it depends on the build. Preferably a wheelset that doesn't use ultra thin spokes.
Excellent review, thank you. A separate question: Can you use naphtha instead of petrol for deep cleaning your chain? Your methods of waxing the chain is the best 👌
Great review! Interesting to think about spoke tension. If the layup is not uniform then the stiffness of the rim will vary around the circumference. Non uniformity may be affected differences in the adhesive thickness between plies along with non symmetrical layers, seams or wrinkles. Thanks for the thorough review. Personally, I'm leery of no-name brands for the simple reason that there is not a chain of accountability from vendor engineer to consumer and without destructive testing, we don't know if the components will prove reliable or safe...so I'd pass. 🙂
You measured the internal rim width with a digital caliper as 19mm but at the end you said the 21mm internal width was a little too small and you would like to see the manufacturer make them slightly wider at 23mm. I don’t understand the discrepancy?
Hey @stevenleffanue, I'm just interested in your opinion, let's say you have who wheelsets, one with rim that doesn't have hole (to insert nipples) and have saphim spokes, another have carbon spokes and holes in rim, which one do you think will be stiffer?
Yep , he does all kinds of carbon fixes...rims , frames , parts. I cracked hydro sti lever master cylinder, plastic body and he sealed it with carbon sheets and resin...nice smooth job prolly better than new 😄.
Did just over 2,000km on them, then had to switch to a new set that needed testing. Had no problems with the Nepest at all , they are still here sitting in their box. Will have no hesitation selling them on if one of our riders wants a carbon wheelset.
I seriously don't understand why the wheel "has to be loud" - I would not mind completely silent even - the bike is not (should not) be a noise generator, right? We make sure everything is tighten etc so nothing is moving and making noise, but wheel ... o no, this one "has to show to everybody how important I am" ;-)
I felt the same, until I got a loud hub and realized it serves as a bell to alarm people on the road. During the ride it's silent, you have to stop pedalling, even the slightest, to make noise
Carbon wheel used to be louder due drum effect. After 20 minutes ridding you will not hear it just because your brain just delete this waste info. Auditive fatigue or something like that is calling. Sound will not make you faster....except if you can pass sound barrier....
16:41 spokes don't touches - hmm could you explain why not ? 'cos my DT Swiss spokes do touches, and I wonder this might causes the noises I hear. Thanks.
Carbon spokes should never touch at a crossing as the micro-flexing along with any dirt present will wear the spoke thinner at this point. This eventually results in spoke breakage. Not applicable for steel spokes.
I remember when Oz cycle used to be all about finding the best, cost effective options for not only bike parts, but tools and maintenance as well. What happened? This wheel set starts at $1,400 and you can go up from there depending on some options. I can build a nice bike including wheels for that price. Come on Oz, did you sell out?
Some rims do but most are different by mold construction as evident by looking inside the rims...sightly different layering , quality of workmanship, etc.
@@stevenleffanue Dont get me wrong, I couldn't care less if they do, I own two sets of Chinese wheels -Yoeleo and Winspace and both of them are absolutely flawless it is just so many of these look the same with different brand only..
What amuses me is the fact that all these pundits in Australia 🇦🇺 & the USA 🇺🇸 & l suspect else where jump on the Chinese Band Wagon regarding Carbon Wheelsets & Frames . Specialized/ Roval spend big $$$ 2 Design there Frames & Wheelsets in there Win Tunnel & they have the Input from the Pro Peleton Riders. The Chinese don't do any of these Luxuries & yet u folk push them . The best the Chinese can ever do is try & copy . 80 kilos certainly isn't much weight . Construction of Wheelsets in 2 halves isn't smart either . Top Road Bikes are very expensive but so is the Engineering that goes in2 them 4 all the Obvious Reasons like Structural Integrity & Safety of the Products Produced & Sold 2 the Paying Public. Use Ur Brains when pushing this crap
@@stevenleffanue Specialized wheels and frames are manufactured in Taiwan 🇹🇼. Because the Owners of Specialized Husband / Wife Divorced. She got pissed 😤 off & sold her share 2 another Bike Company. Think it's Merida & they manufacture in Taiwan 🇹🇼. Wouldn't purchase crap from China.
@@troycollett8540 BS . Wouldn't touch any bike component or Vehicle made by the Chinese. 2ndly the Pro Peleton Riders that Ride the S-Works have a fair bit of input in2 these bikes . And not foomanchoi Xi .
Your videos are really great and informative! Stand out compared to everything else out there imo. Nice work!
I agree with your opinion to noisy clutches. It reminds me to times when children put ice sticks on the rear wheel to get attention. A kingdom for a silent race bike wheelset. Thanks for your videos!
Another old-timer here.
mmhmm, not unlike those little boys and their ricey racers with brappy exhausts or what I call Drag Queen Syndrome - "oooo look at me look at meeeee!!!"
Grinds my rotors I tell ya 😡
Your changeing wheels montage with the sound effects is so much fun to watch!!! Just 👍
Man I remember back in the day oz cycle, Rj the bike guy and bikeman4u. Repairing my father’s and grandfather’s bikes, waxing chains, degreasing chains using deisel fuel just to squeeze everything out of a vintage mtb and road bike so that i have something to race with. These guys build my childhood. Using what little was tools available to enjoy and compete
I remember "Bikeman4U"!...where did he go?
@@stevenleffanue last time i heard about him is when seth from sethbikehacks visited him and was selling the bikeshop
@@stevenleffanuehe has sold up and is now an oyster farmer he is still on YT
I think he lost the passion after his father died.
Neat to see the DT swiss copy freehubs on chinese carbon wheels, some thicker grease in there I believe makes them nice and quiet, mostly in MTB the noisy freehub trend is gone, it was super annoying while it was around.
I have a well known Japanese expensive wheel set, and everything goes fine until one day I passed the 75 kms hour speed down hill.
It was a nightmare, believed I had a flat and my life end there. Fortunately I was able to stop and was only rear unbalance wheel.
Checked all my Strava files and all faster speeds went about 72 , 73 kms/h. So 75 kms/h was the barrier.
Unpleasant.
Check your bike handle it from the seat post and move the pedals with the hand as fast you can, let freewheel work and if you notice any up-down vibration check it.
A few grams of sheet lead glued under the rim tape will cure it.
It's a good video to make Mr. OZ
Regards from up-over.
Thanks mate for pointing out that bike wheels have to be trued to cope with high speeds.
The valves from the deeper rims cause a weight distribution issue. Usually i true them in the stand with led balls from fishing until it doesn’t have a heavy point 🤙
@@domestique3954 My experience was different., heavier part of the wheel was at the opposite part of the valve...
Made any full wheel stand tests just adding some lead weight to the upper part of the spokes and later fine tuning with that weight glued under rim tape. I hammered lead to get a tin layer with round borders ....and looks fine now. Front wheel had no issues.
Hi, are you using the Park tool Tension app? if so, did you calibrate your tool for the same readings as the TP1? or yours is basically the same? thanks
Love your work dude 👏
Great thorough review. While there was no rim tape on, weren't you tempted to adjust the tension of the worst spokes ? What is the issue with "ripples" on the inside of the rim ? It can't be aesthetics. Why do you bother greasing the freehub splines before fitting the cassette and the centrelock splines before fitting the rotors ? They aren't surfaces constantly sliding over one-another and the grease only attracts dirt which will grind away at the contact points.
I ride wheels for 1,000km for review then adjust spokes if required. Nipples inside rim for better aerodynamics. Grease stops creaking ,prevents corrosion and easier to remove cassette when required.
So what rims would you consider for someone weighing in the 100-110k range??
Great vid, very informative 👍
Rims only or wheelset? Pretty much all rims will take 110kg. For wheels it depends on the build. Preferably a wheelset that doesn't use ultra thin spokes.
Excellent review, thank you.
A separate question: Can you use naphtha instead of petrol for deep cleaning your chain? Your methods of waxing the chain is the best 👌
Yes it will remove grease and oils.
Paint thinner/Varsol for me.
Excellent review as always, the best instructor
Great review! Interesting to think about spoke tension. If the layup is not uniform then the stiffness of the rim will vary around the circumference. Non uniformity may be affected differences in the adhesive thickness between plies along with non symmetrical layers, seams or wrinkles. Thanks for the thorough review. Personally, I'm leery of no-name brands for the simple reason that there is not a chain of accountability from vendor engineer to consumer and without destructive testing, we don't know if the components will prove reliable or safe...so I'd pass. 🙂
ACTUALLY THOSE LOOK GREAT I like that satin look best
You measured the internal rim width with a digital caliper as 19mm but at the end you said the 21mm internal width was a little too small and you would like to see the manufacturer make them slightly wider at 23mm. I don’t understand the discrepancy?
They are 21mm internal.
Nice cycling shirt 🇧🇪😊
Clutch clutch comment 👏
Hey @stevenleffanue, I'm just interested in your opinion, let's say you have who wheelsets, one with rim that doesn't have hole (to insert nipples) and have saphim spokes, another have carbon spokes and holes in rim, which one do you think will be stiffer?
Wheels with different spoke tensions can be true on the truing stand but not true when under the load of the bike and rider.
@28:37 he put disc brakes on a 2013 TCR?
Yep , he does all kinds of carbon fixes...rims , frames , parts. I cracked hydro sti lever master cylinder, plastic body and he sealed it with carbon sheets and resin...nice smooth job prolly better than new 😄.
Oz, Still using these? Any issues after a year.
Did just over 2,000km on them, then had to switch to a new set that needed testing. Had no problems with the Nepest at all , they are still here sitting in their box. Will have no hesitation selling them on if one of our riders wants a carbon wheelset.
I'm probably wrong, but I equate noise with friction, and friction is energy loss.
Yes but it's minuscule and if your free-wheeling it's because you will be slowing anyhow.
I seriously don't understand why the wheel "has to be loud" - I would not mind completely silent even - the bike is not (should not) be a noise generator, right? We make sure everything is tighten etc so nothing is moving and making noise, but wheel ... o no, this one "has to show to everybody how important I am" ;-)
I felt the same, until I got a loud hub and realized it serves as a bell to alarm people on the road. During the ride it's silent, you have to stop pedalling, even the slightest, to make noise
Carbon wheel used to be louder due drum effect.
After 20 minutes ridding you will not hear it just because your brain just delete this waste info.
Auditive fatigue or something like that is calling.
Sound will not make you faster....except if you can pass sound barrier....
Loud hubs for road quiet hubs for MTB. Road I want pedestrians, drivers with windows down and other riders to hear me. MTBing I want to hear nature
16:41 spokes don't touches - hmm could you explain why not ? 'cos my DT Swiss spokes do touches, and I wonder this might causes the noises I hear. Thanks.
Carbon spokes should never touch at a crossing as the micro-flexing along with any dirt present will wear the spoke thinner at this point. This eventually results in spoke breakage. Not applicable for steel spokes.
@@stevenleffanue Wow, thanks for the prompt reply ! Love your channel ! Greating from France !
Enjoy Le Tour !!
I remember when Oz cycle used to be all about finding the best, cost effective options for not only bike parts, but tools and maintenance as well. What happened? This wheel set starts at $1,400 and you can go up from there depending on some options. I can build a nice bike including wheels for that price. Come on Oz, did you sell out?
Which sort of grease can i use to quiet my clutch?
Not too thick , a medium viscosity will do fine.
Satin is beautiful
Fortunally big stickers wheels times have passed.
$1000+ for a wheel set is little too much. You can get Chinese carbon wheels for $350ish and they will be just as good
Nepest have surfaced on Aliexpress fairly recently .
Sorry, Nepest wheelset never surfaced on aliexpress, also never happen in future.
@@Rob-nz2cm They were onselled .
What are the odds all these wheels come from the same place with just different stickers slapped on them?
Some rims do but most are different by mold construction as evident by looking inside the rims...sightly different layering , quality of workmanship, etc.
@@stevenleffanue Dont get me wrong, I couldn't care less if they do, I own two sets of Chinese wheels -Yoeleo and Winspace and both of them are absolutely flawless it is just so many of these look the same with different brand only..
Carbon Fiber Road Bike Wheelset SPEEDN Series Carbon Spokes
Regular price $1,299.99
I'll never get down to 80 kgs. Kind of odd that most of these wheelsets only support 80 kgs.
Next will be hyperlight wheelsets for
living in China, can't find it on TAOBAO, another brand only for export market……
its 0011cycle in China
@@blizzard8964 Understand now. With same price, I still choose winspace Hyper.
Carbon spokes are the devil. Those wrinkles all over inside are heinous.
No co-author this time 🐈
Spokey dokey noises from the freewheel are unnecessary. I like my rear wheel to sound like my front freewheeling
Way too expensive, proX all the way for me going forward
Outdated width
What amuses me is the fact that all these pundits in Australia 🇦🇺 & the USA 🇺🇸 & l suspect else where jump on the Chinese Band Wagon regarding Carbon Wheelsets & Frames .
Specialized/ Roval spend big $$$ 2 Design there Frames & Wheelsets in there Win Tunnel & they have the Input from the Pro Peleton Riders.
The Chinese don't do any of these Luxuries & yet u folk push them .
The best the Chinese can ever do is try & copy .
80 kilos certainly isn't much weight .
Construction of Wheelsets in 2 halves isn't smart either .
Top Road Bikes are very expensive but so is the Engineering that goes in2 them 4 all the Obvious Reasons like Structural Integrity & Safety of the Products Produced & Sold 2 the Paying Public.
Use Ur Brains when pushing this crap
Even the big brands are now 'made in Asia '.
@@stevenleffanue
Specialized wheels and frames are manufactured in Taiwan 🇹🇼.
Because the Owners of Specialized Husband / Wife Divorced.
She got pissed 😤 off & sold her share 2 another Bike Company.
Think it's Merida & they manufacture in Taiwan 🇹🇼.
Wouldn't purchase crap from China.
You do realise Chinese carbon is top quality these days
@@troycollett8540
BS . Wouldn't touch any bike component or Vehicle made by the Chinese.
2ndly the Pro Peleton Riders that Ride the S-Works have a fair bit of input in2 these bikes .
And not foomanchoi Xi .
@@Robert-mn8gc pretty much every carbon product is made in China genius