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Wow I never thought turn tables had they're own sound 😳 im shopping for one now! But guess i really need to do research cause I knotice how much more brighter the sl-1200 clearer to i guess but I do like the warmth of the lp120 🤔 awe thank you so much for information i actually needed & was totally in dark about the subject. 👏👍
@@sbkarajan Good question! I have worked between my own copyright and trademarks and a design has to be properly trademarked as your mark. If Technics did this, they can make an exception that other companies have to pay them a certain percentage of royalties for each time AT sells a turntable with their design. If Technics did not properly handle that legally, then design becomes open domain if it's not owned or registered legally.
To my 58 year old ears, virtually identical, with maybe a slight fuller sound in the 1200. That's a hard 'maybe.' Thanks for the hard work in doing this demo!! You eliminated all but the motors spinning the vinyl, as best I can tell. Excellent A/B comparison!
Yes, there is a sound quality difference between the two, but it's not that huge and mainly on vocals and strings. Bottom for me is: AT is a good entry level turntable, provided a good quality cartridge and stylus are used.
The soundstage sounds significantly deeper, for lack of a better word when using the SL-1200. Of course, what value you place on that is entirely up to you.
I just want to say how much I appreciate your efforts on this channel as a whole! You put in a lot of time, and it doesn't cost us a thing! I only wish I had known about these videos earlier. You give a lot, even though not everyone will appreciate the honesty!
Fascinating. You can almost hear the warmth and solidness of the chassis in the sound of the Technics. Didn't know the platter on the Technics was so good. Hats off.
Great public service for us record fans, thank you! I am going to set the height of my Technics tone arm to height level 3, to getthe most out of my Ortofon cartridge. Stay safe and happy holidays to your family! Namaste.
I have the later 120x. Admittedly the build and weight isn’t comparable to the Technics, yet on a good stable surface it’s more than good in my opinion. I upgraded the stock stylus to a microline one the next payday after buying the AT and I’m more than impressed with the sound. I’m listening to this via open back monitor headphones and a TEAC headphone amp/dac and I believe the AT120 gets a lot right compared with it’s pricier competition. The anti skate works on mine although I have to set it at 1.5 despite tracking force of 2g. I still don’t regret my purchase even after seeing this informative video.
I love how nearly everyone ignores the fact that this is Part 1, indicating that there's a Part 2, but that doesn't seem to mean anything. Part 2 is far more informative than Part 1......especially the first 20 seconds.
@@cjsvinyl I saw both parts. I should have stated in my original comment that I’ve owned the turntable for two years and none of the faults have developed. My comment regarding liking the sound of my AT was appropriately left on video part 1
These types of tests are always made tricky by TH-cam's audio compression but I agree that the SL-1200 sounded cleaner. And I say that as an owner of an LP120. I like the LP120 a lot. Actually, for the price I think it's a terrific turntable. But as others have said, you get what you pay for and the SL-1200 is definitely a step up.
The 1200 in this comparison is closer to the correct speed and more consistently playing it at that speed. It shocks me that the difference bothers me. It might be a curse...
I have the LP-120. Might sell it and put that money towards a second hand 1200. They are quite reasonably priced second hand! Just gotta find a good one. The LP120 is not a crap turntable though! It's excellent. But I would prefer technics to match the rest of my setup.
Also, this shouldn’t be surprising. If you buy anything at the entry-level price point and something else costs 4x more at the pro-level, there should be a notable difference. Otherwise it’s a sham. To me, a good question to consider is this: Is the SL1200 4x as good as the LP120, because it costs 4x as much. To me, the differences everyone cites here suggests subtleties, which probably, on their own, don’t justify the 400% increase. Which then suggests to my mind, that the LP120 is either a steal at $300 or the SL1200 is overpriced. Probably a combination. I’d still consider upgrading to the SL1200 simply out of appreciation for the masterpiece it is.
There are more ways to fix the problem. There's a two decade supply of middle range direct drive tables, like the sl3200/3300, various other iterations of the same basic parts. And you can buy these twenty five year old tables often for like 100 clams. They still work great, and there are many well known mods to apply to them (like lining the underside of the table with modeling clay) to give you some really high end quality for about the same price you'd pay retail for the AT table new.
@@austinhunt4260 I never owned the AT table but I did own a middle range SL3200 and it was a magnificent piece of Japanese industrial art. Technics made very good stuff in the 70s and 80s. Panasonic, too. I loved my Panasonic boombox... Also, the AT LP120 appears to be belt drive. I'd hunt down a well cared for direct drive Technics SL-something from the late 70s/80s. (If I still cared about vinyl, which I don't. And I live right next door to a record shop, fancy that.) Anyway, ebay has the sl-3200 now for $199-$245, and at that they're a great value. Love the Pink Floyd while visiting this topic...
Nearly everyone who watches this video says the exact same thing before they've even watched Part 2 to make a statement like that. The LP120 is not as good as you think.
@@cjsvinyl you are right.but really now.....the 1200 HAS to be better, look at what you have to pay!! I mean if it wasn't better wouldn't you be pissed off for all the money you are spending!?
@@cjsvinyl The 1200 has been the work horse of the professional audio community since the 70's! My point is that had you FOUND the LP-120 better, what would that do to the industry as a whole?? You , yourself spent more money on a USED 1200 than on a brand new 120....the only other comparison's I can make are with pianos and cars. I'm a musician and used to sell pianos. A Used Yamaha Baby grand would go for more than double what a brand new piano from China would go for. At least back when I was selling them in the late 90's. My wife and I bought a used Toyota with over 150k miles!! That car is still running with over 250k miles on it!! I get it, believe me I do. By having the 120 not start up with the defect, just should have cemented the logic, no? I have inherited the 120, it's been in storage since 2014. I still have the receipt, it's still in the original box and shrink wrap. The unit cost the buyer around 230 bucks. I'm debating now whether to sell it, trade it back to the company. Even take it to the company in Stow, Ohio unbox it there, and pay for them to fix these obvious defects. a.) anti-tracking defective b.) tone arm will not lie flush with the record c.) by passing the pre-amp function does not work properly. But I would then have to weight the cost to have them upgrade/fix...so..I dunno..I appreciate all your efforts to educate us new hobbyists.. Most of all the record players I had in the past were all in one units like a Crosley and others...so there is a big learning curve for me. Thanks for the education!!
@@Tunz909 _"The 1200 has been the work horse of the professional audio community since the 70's"_ Exactly correct that's why I was confused when you used verbiage such as 'now' in your previous comment. The 1200 (as you know) is not only a powerful work horse since the 70's, but it's the only reason the mountains of 1200 imitation decks made from Audio Technica, Stanton, Pioneer, Numark, Reloop, Kuzmark, Gemini, etc. etc. all of those and more are because of the SL-1200 MK II design. As far as the Audio Technica as a whole, I never should have given AT as much of a chance as I did, and the first 30 seconds of my 'Part 2' video displays exactly why. You don't save money when you eventually have to send it out for repairs, or pay someone else to make modifications for you. It doesn't matter about money being saved when there are multiple issues not just one or two really bad ones with the LP120 and turntables like it. I wish I had more people deterring me from buying the LP120 because I ended up losing money on it in the long run, and I shouldn't have to go through all of that. When you have the experiences that I've had, you know it's no longer worth it. I was wrong to put any faith into that company and by purchasing a near mint SL-1200 for 600.00 I've had it for 3 years with no problems, and my MK5 is already 18 years old. It's the only sensible thing to do. If someone can't afford better turntables, then it's probably better to stay out of the hobby all together because the first priority is to take care of your records, followed by ensuring you get the most out of your Hi-Fi experience because otherwise there's no point to put yourself through it all if you're not going to experience it for what it is. At that point, you may as well just stick with CD's. The best decision my wife and I ever made was to stop kidding ourselves with imitation turntables, and just go for the real thing. Check back with me in 30 years and I know our SL-1200 will still be running strong.
WOW!! this is amazing review and comparison. I am making a decision if whether or not is a good option to invest some money on equipment and I am now more clear that it is a good decision. However I will go with the cheaper one which is a good option considering price. Thank you.
Well, you're correct on one thing, the LP120 is definitely cheaper I did everything I could to warn people in Part 2 of this comparison, but people are so fast to throw their money away without watching the rest of the reviews.
Interesting analysis and testing.👍🏼 The guitar track you first played and the bells ringing were definitely clearer where treble and midrange is concerned The Ella F sounded the same on both decks, to me. As with the track after the Bells ringing in my ears... Although there seemed to be more depth with the LP120. That slice of rock was definitely using more treble again on the SL1200. The track after that sounded almost the same on both...to me. Now I have had two SL1200 mark ii and mark i decks in my home since 1986 and have listened to them using different cartridges and stylus over the years. I believe this is where the difference lays with sound going to your Amp, then out of your branded speakers. So, in reality, to me unless we take the time to look at the latter I mentioned, we are not including all the stats. Build quality is as you say, no doubts. The SL1200 is heavy, construction and materials are serious and the weight is substantial that the deck has everlasting sturdiness. I have had no problems s over the years with mines and I have used Shute, Stanton, Concord, Ortofon and Audio Technica. My favorite was the elliptical stylus made by Stanton but that company stopped making it for some reason. In the world of deejaying it was the go to stylus in the 80s to mid 90s. You could never scratch a vinyl disc no matter how much you spin back the vinyl. Technics SL1200 i and ii come with ground cables, and short at that. That is my only beef with this turntable. The newer models are highly overpriced and in reality, you do not need to break the bank to get the latest Technics 1200 mark “whatever”
It's nice that you upgraded but you were thrilled with the Audio-Technica when you got it and rightly so. It and its predecessor have served this channel very well.
You couldn't be more correct about how thrilled we were, but since then we were very displeased with Audio Technica. There's more beyond what I've demonstrated here that I'll be releasing soon in part 2.
Me and a friend in the 90s used to balance the tone arm on the technics and let it bob up and down. This would do that for about 5 or 6 minutes. Just the quality of the technics. Japanese made what can I say. So iconic the technics. Still geak out over my pair to this day. And they still work like new!!!
I own an ATPL120 (pre USB model) with the preamp bypass mod done to it and an SL-1200 MK2. With the mod done to the ATPL120 it sounds really good. The SL-1200 of course sounds a little better. I got my technics for $300 out the door and my PL120 for $150. Sound wise they both sound great. MOD IS NEEDED 100% for better sound quality on the PL120. The difference really is in the construction. My 1200 feels like a goddamn tank. Top is heavy aluminum and the base is a heavy rubber. It’s very isolated unlike the ATPL120. Mods I made to my AT were adding a 3mm rubber slipmat and a leather slipmat under that, preamp bypass mod, and a better cartridge. That’s it.. and it sounds great. The thing is the Technics will probably out live me and eventually the AT will fail. I’ve read that they really aren’t meant to last very long because of how cheaply they’re made. Anyway if you’re on a budget pick up a cheap PL120 and mod it. I personally preferred this model to the USB model because I couldn’t stand seeing the letters USB on a turntable which should be all analog lol. If you have a little more dough to spend I’d FOR SURE go with the 1200. You’ll never need another turntable for as long as you live.
I can tell you exactly where the LP120 is going. Right back to Audio Technica for repairs because my Start/Stop button decided to give out. Nothing happened either, it's been carefully put in storage. I'm so glad we've upgraded to the Technics SL-1200.
One of the reasons I’ll never sell my 1200s. Over a decade of hard use as a DJ and they still run strong like the day I bought them. Now I get to enjoy them as a casual listener and beat maker.
Wonderful review! With this, I came to a conclusion that even if they are similar in appearance, there's really nothing to compare. :-) Both have their own feature to make each product unique.
@@gamingguy9006The Technics has an entire (sorbothane?) rubber base, and die cast aluminum top plate with an internal aluminum plate (that is thick af). The only plastic I saw in my teardown is the main board and motor cover under the platter, and this is very solid thick high quality plastic.
if you use a decent pair of headphone (sennhieser hd25) you can clearly tell the difference, but that LP120 sound terrific for the price I have to agree 100% on that.
Great comparison; thanks CJs. I’m jumping into vinyl through the LP120 (was going to be a RT81 if Fluance shipped to Switzerland for a reasonable price). Pretty sure if vinyl hooks me, then I’ll upgrade to a SL1200. It sounds superior in both clarity and crispness. Even seemed to have slightly more faithful pitch at some points.
I own an Audio Technica 120--it is highly regarded and had plenty of great reviews. Purchased it in 2017 and could not be happier with it. I completely enjoy playing my LPs and listening to them on my "budget" system. You do not have to spend thousands of dollars to get great quality sound.
Agreed with the not paying thousands of dollars for a turntable part! We only initially paid an extra 300.00 on top of the cost of our LP120 to get the Technics SL-1200. No one is arguing that the LP120 sounds poor, it's that the SL-1200 is better.
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Its so obvious that the Technics has much more definition, channel separation and much cristal treble...
The error is the interal audio texhnica preamp just remove at pre amp and then start again the test .
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No true bypass on the LP120. Disconnect that abortion of a preamp and try again. Ground shunts so you can't get off the circuit without going into the table.
@ If you're tech savvy you can simply open up the Audio Technica and take the wires from the tonearm and solder them directly to the RCA cables, that's the way it is on the Technics and hence why the sound is a bit better since it goes straight to your preamp!
@@thehouserocker The point is that you shouldn't have to. I've replaced and soldered capacitors and flux flow transistors inside of vintage receivers, so I guess that would be considered "tech savvy" but that's for 45 year-old equipment so it's expected. The moment the consumer purchases a brand-new product, then has to put in the time to open it back up, and start making modifications, means that the manufacturer provided them with an inferior product. You should watch Part 2 of this video. Removing the internal preamp, or re-routing tonearm wires are the least of your problems when it comes to the LP120.
You see the Part 1 on the thumbnail and the title of the video right? You've only watched Part 1. I would watch Part 2 specifically since the first 30 seconds of that video is more important than the length of this entire video. The LP120 is in fact NOT a good turntable. It IS very bad.
The 1200 is definitely the better turntable of the two. It's far more crisp, sharp and it reproduces mono records WAY better, as demonstrated by your Ella Fitzgerald test. However the 120 is an insanely good turntable for the price. It just depends on what you want or need from a TT.
It’s a little hard to tell. I’m sure in person, it’d be more night and day between the two turntables, but I could hear a difference even listening on my phone. The sound on the Technics was fuller, bigger, wider, and sounded really good with the first and fourth tracks being acoustic guitar. It’s cool that they’re both going into the Mani and use same headshell and cart. You did the A/B comparison correctly to be fair. I agree, the Technics won! I have a Technics SL 1100a and blows my mind almost every time I spin a record. The “beast” is 50 years old! It’ll probably last another 50! I have no idea how long the Audio Technica will last. It sucks that they can’t make a good turntable- they know how to make great carts. Anyways, cool video!
This video was very necessary. Great job! The 1200 sounds better. I think one more step that you should do before a final comparison is to do the solder hack that bypasses the DAC on the AT, I've seen videos that show a drastic improvement in sound quality.
I can definitely hear the difference, the SL-1200's vocal clairity, mids, and highs are enhanced compared to the LP120. I have the newer Audio Technica AT-LP140XP in black with the Audio Technia AT-VM95ML (Nude Microlinear) cartridge. Im using the phono input on my Onkyo TX-NR6100 and this setup sounds amazing to me. I'm really curious how much better the SL-1200 sounds compared to my current setup....
Harder to hear the difference in a video as opposed to being in person - a bit unfair since they are priced significantly different as the AT is about a third of the price of the Technics. For that I would pick the AT as you can buy a lot more vinyl with the money you save not to mention you could put together a reasonable little audio system with that extra money.
Нет. Так как я владел обоими, я могу сказать вам, что вокал все еще имеет существенную разницу. Кроме того, SL-1200 имеет функциональную защиту от ската, VTA и надлежащее демпфирование для снижения вибрации.
@@sidmorrison6245 Вам нужно просмотреть оставшуюся часть этого видео и часть 2, прежде чем вы скажете, что он будет не хуже, чем Technics. Эти видео не являются строго аудиотестом.
It's a brilliant device, but I struggle to justify paying so much for an up to 40 year old turntable with no warranty. I'd rather spend that amount on a Rega or Pro-ject. The LP120 looks like a decent beginner turntable, though.
There is not the massive divide I expected, I have heard this comparison between an sl1200 and an lp 120 that has had its preamp removed and a high-quality RCA fitted, and it's almost impossible to tell one from the other.
You see on the thumbnail where it says *'Part 1'* in big bold lettering? You are in dire need of watching *'Part 2'* before stating the claim that there is no massive divide. The divide is in utterly poor build quality, and this is as vast and deep as the divide gets. Sounds like you also only watched part of this video and not the rest where I begin the materials and build quality.
There is definitely a difference in sound and build quality but given the SL-1200-MK7 is 4 times the retail price of the LP120XUSB I am not sure if the difference is worth the price difference though
Do you always make a final decision when only watching videos labeled *Part 1* ? There's a part 2 to this, and you should watch it: th-cam.com/video/49OCUWJSOi8/w-d-xo.html
The LP120 actually doesn't sound bad, but the Pink Floyd track in particular definitely showed that the SL1200 has a wider sound stage and was just clearer overall. I know the LP120 has a built in preamp that causes issues even when bypassing it, so maybe it's because of that.
listening to the two they both sound very similar to one another. i would say the sl-1200 has the edge over the other as there is slightly better treble. but i also noticed if im not watching the video i don't really notice a difference.
Let me put it to you this way: if were a Fortune 500 corporate executive, I'd get the Technics, bot I'm not. Besides, I've heard a LOT of great things about the 120, as a moderately priced turntable it does a great job! I've had mine for over six months and there's no complaints. I can save up for a heavier counter weight and an ORTOFON stylus to pump up performance if need be, and the music would be just as good as what comes from the more expensive turntable!
Without a doubt vocals are so much better on the Technics. I especially noticed on the Gregory Alan Isakov track. Obviously build quality is hands down better.
I think The SL-1200 had the edge, but not by as much as I thought it would. In fact, during the opening chimes of "Time," they actually came pretty close to each other, but on everything else, the deficit of the 120's preamp makes itself known. There was a slightly noticeable mid-to high-mid suck-out that wasn't there on the 1200. It wasn't necessarily objectionable, but it didn't sound like the 120 was performing up to its full potential, like there was more it could have been doing sonically. Still, I don't suspect the 120's issues aren't something a little more quality control might not fix, but it seems like Audio-Technica is either indifferent or unwilling to do it. I wonder just how much effort it took for them to allegedly fix the anti-skate problem (I actually haven't been able to confirm it, so I take back what I said on a different post).
I agree with that. I think they could too. I feel if Audio Technica put in the time and effort to make other changes to their internal wiring as well, this will most likely boost the cost. The LP120 uses normal wires for their tonearm connections, whereas the SL-1200 uses oxygen-free carbon fiber wiring. Now, the Mark V came out November 1st of 2002, so I don't exactly know how old our turntable is. Not because the seller didn't know, but because I didn't ask due to their exemplary description of it, including its appearance. My guess is that the wiring inside of the tonearm could stand to be replaced. Or, maybe it's only 5 years old and they're still going strong. Either way, before some upgraded parts were ordered, the initial price of this turntable was only 500.00 which was one of the biggest reasons I went with it. All of that to say, I don't think we should hold our breath when it comes to Audio Technica. I think they cut corners for a reason, which is why their products (while decent) are still inexpensive and sub-par. All the more reason to sell them and save some money to buy a used Technics. At least now, our newest turntable works exactly as it's supposed to, and with everyone online talking about how their Mark II's are still going strong after 40 years, I have a feeling the Mark V is going to last us for the long haul.
I'm glad you do. I've been getting hatred that is completely misconceived and unwarranted on this video to the point that I'm just done with the haters, and I'm deleting them. People like you that understand what I'm trying to do makes it all worth it.
@@cjsvinyl Looks like they may have leaned on the people who make the table for them like Pioneer did with the PLX-500. Supposedly they've sort of moved its replacement, the 120x, downmarket. They improved the preamp and antiskate, but they took away the tonearm height adjustment. If you want something close to the 1200, they want to steer you towards the 140x. To be completely honest, though, I don't even know if they're using the same OEM manufacturer as before. Nothing on Hanpin's website corresponds to any model they currently make.
The SL-1200 is an engineering marvel, treat them right and manitain them and they can outlive more than one owner. There's a 1210 in the London Science Museum, as an example of technology that shaped the world we live in. That's a significant statement and a huge compliment to it's engineering and build quality.
As others have mentioned the price difference is substantial today between the two. Yes you can buy a used vintage SL1200 but I would advise you know how to work on them and have a good source for parts when needed as for any vintage gear. The AT 120 is a great table if you set it up correctly and take care of it.
If the reason you’re not buying a used 1200 is because you don’t know how to work on them and don’t know where to get the parts which aren’t made anymore (a VERY good reason in my opinion), then price is probably not your first consideration. That being the case, check out the Reloop RP7000 Mk2 before you choose the Audio Technica LP120x. The Reloop is FAR superior and much closer to the Technics in performance and audio quality, at an excellent price.
I much appreciate that you used the same cartridge on both TT's. I know this is just youtube audio, but using a high quality set of headphones they sound identical to me, for all intents and purposes. I definitely think the Technics is way better built, but this doesn't seem to affect the actual sound quality. It's as if the AT is built "good enough" to give the same sound. A turntable is a pretty simple device. I would think the biggest difference would be noticed by changing cartridges. I suppose the real test is how they each sound after a thousand hours of use. The build quality may play a more important part in THAT test. 😎 BTW, the anti skating problem the old 120's have could play into record wear, perhaps. But the very existence of anti-skating is actually a contested topic in audio forums, especially by AR-XA owners.
The best way to set an anti-skate is to use a smooth flat disc with no grooves on it and get the cartridge to remain still. It is at that point the anti-skate setting that then shows is proven correct. The number given in instruction pamphlets for the anti-skate setting is merely a guide and might not prove to be correct in practice.
I own two Technics 1200 MKII's. One in each of my systems. Here is now the ideal way to hear a difference since the audio winds up being compressed MP3 format. I BARELY noticed any difference between the two. The Audio Technica sounded very slightly softer than the Technics (and only sometimes)
The 120X actually offers several improvements from the former 120 that lead to better sound quality. They fixed some of the known issues, kept the tonearm, and upgraded the cartridge system. Still a lighter duty table than the SL1200, but the price difference allows for a huge cartridge upgrade that should ultimately make a very noticeable sound upgrade. For equal money, I'd take the SL-1200 in a heartbeat, but on my budget, the 120x with a nude shibata cart upgrade is tough to beat for the price.
Not only SL-1200 wins on quality of product, which is by far a better product, but also in sound quality. From what I could hear the Technics has more tight bass, it's more warmth, and has a more deep sound stage. I guess the bottom line is that you get what you pay for. Congrats on the review! Cheers!
With all of the various records we've been spinning on the SL-1200 so far, Vocals and Strings seems to be the biggest thing that I hear the difference in. It's SOOOOO much more clear than the LP120 with percussion and strings, but above anything else, the vocals are so much better. Thanks for your comment and support!
@Vinyl Explorer what you hear in LP120 is not the exact sound that the cartridge is generating. Here a part of the signal is subjected to grounding muffling the high frequencies. As Technics lacks this feature,it sounds more open and clear. Just rip off the internal preamp in LP120 and then hear how it sounds. I bet it will be difficult to differentiate it from the Technics in the blind test.
@typedef So where are all of your demonstrations of this knowledge on your channel? All I see is some thug music and a pretentious comment from a douche bag that is trying to deny himself the truth. When someone else makes a perfectly good point about money being properly invested into quality products, don't deny them just because you don't want to face the truth.
Haven't used the AT unit but looks like an exact copy !!! many gears were branded differently but out of the same factory back then and now still.... Love to hear AT owners inputs !!
I can happily say that I'm no longer an AT owner. They had their chance, I had plenty of exposure, and I prefer a turntable that actually works the way it's supposed to. I should have spent the extra money from the beginning for a used SL-1200.
I started getting into vinyl last year and I would be loved to get the technics but with shipping to New Zealand & import taxes it would've cost quite a bit. I ended up getting the LP120 because it was sold in a physical store here. For the moment, I'm happy with my LP120 till I can afford an upgrade 😊
Sonically, it is very difficult to comment on the differences presented, since the codec used on TH-cam is not designed for other purpose but the assumption of video submission. Maybe I notice one or another detail in the low frequencies between the two machines but it may just be my imagination to work. In this context, I believe that everyone can decide what they want on the quality of reproduction. I have a SL 1210 mkII and never in life would I trade it for any machine of the same style. Physically, everything that is described after 7:52 is correct and in this respect there can be no doubt. The quality of construction is one of the points that most caught my attention in these machines, since I met them and began to use. It does not seem to me that any manufacturer is able to put something on the market with this quality and stability. And frankly, after dealing with a Technics SL I think that the last thing anyone would need was a copy. I may even be wrong ...
It's incredible. The treble is so much more pronounced on the 1200, as well as a deeper, cleaner sound. The 120 just comes off as a little stale and muffled. I noticed it the most in the Pink Floyd and Ella Fitzgerald tracks. Nice video.
@@alberto3028 You're right. The difference is in RIAA preamps. Not the quality but a slight eq difference (RIAA has some tolerances). There is no electronics from pick-up to rca phono out and the mechanical elements are very similar so... The real difference is that the AT is a very good robust deck and the Technics is a...tank! 1200s are "heavy duty working disco horses for fearless djs with subwoofer under the table" :D The same is for microphones, there are some very good sounding cheap mics, but when you have to put them into professional environment, you can appreciate some hidden features of an U87 or AKG414, for example rear sound rejection or less proximity effect.
I've always had a good laugh at people who make turn-table comparisons using only music. How about throwing on some audio test LPs, use a scope or digital sound analyzing software and compare the results? This eliminates the "I THINK X sounds better", opinions, brand bias, etc.
MARK MALASICS Brand bias huh? So what's yours? Crosley? I wish I could say I get a good laugh from idiots that don't read titles, ignore text on thumbnails, never read descriptions, and consider watching the entire videos before commenting. Unfortunately that's not funny because you're another shining example of the severely ignorant and lazy. All talk as they say. Try watching past the 7:51 point of the video and then *Part 2* maybe reconsider that joke of a comment.
LOl scopes and measurements are only relevant when something is being produced . What really matters is the final result and how it sounds during playback with music
The difference is not that bad. Since I own 2 SL-1200's & in the market for a new turntable w/usb, I will purchase one from Amazon. Thank you for the great comparison..!!!
I have 2 SL-1200's as well but need a cheap turntable for a secondary residence. After listening to this comparison (The LP120 isn't THAT far behind, and I have a better cartridge to put on it as well) I too will grab one of these soon. ;)
nice review; good test methodology. The SL1200 sounds like it has the edge to me, but I can't exactly say why: a little bit warmer, perhaps. I have to doubt my own ability to differentiate through laptop speakers though and suspect the real differences only become apparent in a proper listening environment with an amp and speakers that match (and which are the same for both). Materials are far better on the Technics and would be a winner for me on that basis given that the sounds seem very close.
Very nice demo, thanks. There definitely are differences, but frankly I thought the might be a lot more pronounced. Thanks for taking the time to give us empirical evidence to evaluate, not just another audiophile opinion. 👍
The differences are absolutely more pronounced. I'm only guessing you watched passed the audio comparison and into the next portion of this review, but did you watch Part 2 yet? There's a lot more that I include in both videos than just sound and material quality.
@@cjsvinyl I had not watched part 2. The tracking problem on the 120 was impressive, unbelievable. My question would be, what mods would you recommend to 120 (corrected...) owners? Have you written to the manufacturer or seller?
@@rpg896 You're definitely going to want to watch Part 2. 110 owners? You mean the MP-110 that I used in this audio comparison? I don't really believe in mods for this type of hobby. If you have to tear apart your brand new products to correct what the manufacturer should have done, then there's a bigger problem that needs to be looked at. This is why we purchased our SL-1200 for only 200.00 more than the LP120. It's not 4x as expensive as you mentioned in your other comment. The best thing you can do is not support a company like audio technica.
@@cjsvinyl I did see and hear your part 2 video. It was very instructive, also. If I can get a 1200 for only $200 more I’ll do it. But it would obviously be used and it need to be from a reputable vendor (I don’t have that over here). You would still need a cart, also. I’ll look into it in the near future and thank you fir the tip. I understand that a $300 tt will not be as good as a 1200. But I’ve decided against buying used and searched all over and there’s no big competition for the 120. Neither Fluance, Pro Ject or Music Hall compares for the price. Not even the famous makes like Denon or Pioneer have a matching tt.
Beyond the shadow of a doubt, the SL-1200 *HANDS DOWN* amplifies better vocals! When I opened my eyes during the sound test I was right to see the Technics playing every time! Listen to 6:23 on the LP120, and then hear an undeniable difference in his voice at 6:37 when on the SL-1200.
uhmmm interesting.....so I'm wondering now, if you put a cheaper stylus/cartridge in the 1200...and did a 'blindfold" test one might not notice the slight difference that we do now? well from what we all read the 1200 is the work horse
1200 definitely has a tighter sound with better definition but the Audio technica is a great starter turntable. Auido technica carried the turntable industry through a time when nobody cared about records.
Peace and light....the first dj in the u.k. to own technics 1200's in the UK was froggy(r.i.p.),he came back from the USA in 1980,with a pair and began megamixers history,and those decks still exist today!.
I would imagine 90% of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference if they closed there eyes. Probably wouldn't even be able to notice the turntable changed at all
We have more than just sound going on here, there's a lot with build quality that is day and night difference. IE, Anti-Skate problems, Vertical Tracking Angle problems, plastic versus rubber and aluminum, plus they are also much different in person when it comes to sound. This is the best I can provide online.
It is true we audiophiles sometimes scoff at dd but not many of us scoff at the 1200 series and most of us own one, their stability and near reference levels make them very good for recording vinyl to digital without a lot of messing around.
Give me a direct drive anyday ... my vintage pioneer has no motor noise . Something else It doesn't have is abysmal wow and flutter specs of so called modern audiophile tables.. cough cough REGA . The the 1200 is the best built and sounding table iv ever heard weather for dj or home listening.
My dad had around 3000 records collection ,so he was buying all this turntables....I still have sl1950 DIRECT DRIVE,JVC-QL-F4 and Pioneer-PL-518 that I have for sale. All I was getting from craigslist-$200 for all 3 of them. I never hooked them up but just listening here, oh man ,I can hear clearly the difference! Technic sounds so much clearer ! Loved it. Now I'm not sure if I want to sell the SL-1950. Btw, I do have the record collection too, which I wanted to sell.
It was impossible for me to tell the difference in sound quality. My big question is resistance to "foot falls" and speaker acoustic feedback. Did you check any of those along the way?
i'm listening to this vid through my shitty phone speaker and even i can tell that there's a grand difference. much clearer sound. Crisper. it's not always the cartridge or amp, sometimes it's the deck! The power of Technics! i will listen through headphones when i arrive home. i have the AT-LP120 as well and am planning on selling it for a Technics. Nice comparison
The SL is slightly more open, detailed and brighter. But the price of a used one is ridiculous when you can purchase a new better tt for the same price. The LP sound was very close. A little tonal tweaking and you’d be good to go.
The trick is to look at something else while this is playing and try to notice any difference while the Pink Floyd song is playing. Try not to see which table is playing. I am not saying anything about consumer decisions. If you want better build quality, it's obvious which is better. But the sound is so close, especially if you just listen and don't watch. Again, consumer decisions: to each their own.
1200s were built for DJs. They can be abused and used over and over. No one can come close the the build quality. You can also replace every part of the 1200s.
I have to disagree with you... The sl1200 was built to be a hifi player and djs only discovered that it's great for every abuse you can throw at it. Of course technics now builds them for djs but it's intended use in the first years of its existence was hifi.
I just removed my built in preamp in the PL120 (non usb) and added a ground to the tonearm and holy cow… sounds very warm and beautiful. The thing is thought that Technics are just built sturdier and have better dampening qualities both in the platter and plinth.
OK, I'm trying but, I can't tell the difference. Here's my set up. Computer out into and OSD AMP60 into two Sony MU S6 Speakers. I scrolled down, read a few comments, and had absolutely no idea that the discs were being swapped back and forth during tracks. My home set up is a Yamah YP-B2 with an AT cartridge through a TubeCube 7 amp into Pure Acoustic speakers. I have a pretty good collection of various genres of vinyl from 30's and 40's Jazz, through to synth pop of the 80's and pretty much everything in between. I'm 46. I can't tell the difference. I guess a vintage Technics might be a find, but the price difference between these two is just not worth it for the casual listener. Sorry guys, AT-LP120.
Same I could not tell difference when he was A/B'ing Dark Side and I can hear upto 18khz! (although to be fair youtube compression and all but they both suffer it)
@@Peter_Cetera Well yeah, of course it would sound different if I had used two different cartridges. That would make the audio comparison entirely useless. The point is to see if there was an audio difference in the *turntables themselves*. This video is a comparison of turntables, not a comparison of cartridges. If I put the standard AT-95e on the LP120 and left the Nagaoka MP-110 on the SL-1200, which one do you think is going to sound better? Exactly! That's why you don't throw people off with a different cartridge when you're testing the decks.
Audio-technica management to their engineers. "Here is a really excellent turntable. Make me something that looks just like it but for a lot cheaper." As an audiophile owner of an SL 1200 MkII and now an SL 1200GR I'm not saying that the AT-140 isn't a decent turntable (never having used one) for the price, but the fact that build quality and the fact that your engineers are the one's that designed it does count for something compared to a cheap knockoff.
Of course SL1200 is better but it is interesting to remove Pre-Amp from AT LP 120 and then compare. I have a Pioneer PLX 500 and need to remove the pre-amp. Thank you very much for the very good test, once again I made sure that you do not have to buy an turntable with an integrated pre-amp.
*TO ALL VIEWERS:* PLEASE read the description first prior to commenting. At this point, I've decided to start cracking down harder on trolls that are just trying to create problems on my videos. There's a fine line between giving constructive criticism, and just trying to create trouble. Anyone who is wrongfully bringing content that doesn't pertain along with other abusive connotations, will have their comment deleted, and account permanently banned. I want people to enjoy my videos, but I won't tolerate lies through misdirection.
Wow I never thought turn tables had they're own sound 😳 im shopping for one now! But guess i really need to do research cause I knotice how much more brighter the sl-1200 clearer to i guess but I do like the warmth of the lp120 🤔 awe thank you so much for information i actually needed & was totally in dark about the subject. 👏👍
These two turntables look ridiculously the same... Can AudioTechnica do this? Legal perspective?
@@sbkarajan Good question! I have worked between my own copyright and trademarks and a design has to be properly trademarked as your mark. If Technics did this, they can make an exception that other companies have to pay them a certain percentage of royalties for each time AT sells a turntable with their design. If Technics did not properly handle that legally, then design becomes open domain if it's not owned or registered legally.
Hi! Do you mind to share which specific cartridge you used on these two turntables? ;)
@@jingbeizheng2137 Sure thing. It's the Nagaoka MP-110
To my 58 year old ears, virtually identical, with maybe a slight fuller sound in the 1200. That's a hard 'maybe.' Thanks for the hard work in doing this demo!! You eliminated all but the motors spinning the vinyl, as best I can tell. Excellent A/B comparison!
Yes, there is a sound quality difference between the two, but it's not that huge and mainly on vocals and strings.
Bottom for me is: AT is a good entry level turntable, provided a good quality cartridge and stylus are used.
Nico Meier Build quality is another story.
Same here
The soundstage sounds significantly deeper, for lack of a better word when using the SL-1200.
Of course, what value you place on that is entirely up to you.
There is something so satisfying seeing the vinyl spin on the platter
The 1200 sounds clearer but until I move out of my parents basement, I'll stick to the 120. Thanks for the great comparison.
U move out out I ain’t and I’m still tryna get a 1200
I just want to say how much I appreciate your efforts on this channel as a whole! You put in a lot of time, and it doesn't cost us a thing! I only wish I had known about these videos earlier. You give a lot, even though not everyone will appreciate the honesty!
You're one of the good eggs. Thank you so much for that support!
@@cjsvinyl THANK YOU for all of your hard work!
Fascinating. You can almost hear the warmth and solidness of the chassis in the sound of the Technics. Didn't know the platter on the Technics was so good. Hats off.
I'm amazed how good audio-technica sounds for its price... very good turntable for the money!
Make sure you finish watching the whole video, and then Part 2. I test a lot more than just sound.
Great public service for us record fans, thank you! I am going to set the height of my Technics tone arm to height level 3, to getthe most out of my Ortofon cartridge. Stay safe and happy holidays to your family! Namaste.
I have the later 120x. Admittedly the build and weight isn’t comparable to the Technics, yet on a good stable surface it’s more than good in my opinion. I upgraded the stock stylus to a microline one the next payday after buying the AT and I’m more than impressed with the sound. I’m listening to this via open back monitor headphones and a TEAC headphone amp/dac and I believe the AT120 gets a lot right compared with it’s pricier competition. The anti skate works on mine although I have to set it at 1.5 despite tracking force of 2g. I still don’t regret my purchase even after seeing this informative video.
I love how nearly everyone ignores the fact that this is Part 1, indicating that there's a Part 2, but that doesn't seem to mean anything. Part 2 is far more informative than Part 1......especially the first 20 seconds.
@@cjsvinyl I saw both parts. I should have stated in my original comment that I’ve owned the turntable for two years and none of the faults have developed. My comment regarding liking the sound of my AT was appropriately left on video part 1
that’s a great comparison, i cannot find anything wrong here!great job CJ
Now that's a proper audio comparison here. Thank you so much for taking the time to edit that. Certainly not easy with all these cuts :P
Thank you for your kind, and grateful attitude. TH-cam needs more people like you.
These types of tests are always made tricky by TH-cam's audio compression but I agree that the SL-1200 sounded cleaner. And I say that as an owner of an LP120. I like the LP120 a lot. Actually, for the price I think it's a terrific turntable. But as others have said, you get what you pay for and the SL-1200 is definitely a step up.
Completely agreed!
As far as I know , youtube is 256kb AAC , which is extremely hard to discern from lossless, if it's even possible.
Absolutely correct.
The 1200 in this comparison is closer to the correct speed and more consistently playing it at that speed. It shocks me that the difference bothers me. It might be a curse...
I have the LP-120. Might sell it and put that money towards a second hand 1200.
They are quite reasonably priced second hand! Just gotta find a good one.
The LP120 is not a crap turntable though! It's excellent. But I would prefer technics to match the rest of my setup.
Also, this shouldn’t be surprising. If you buy anything at the entry-level price point and something else costs 4x more at the pro-level, there should be a notable difference. Otherwise it’s a sham. To me, a good question to consider is this: Is the SL1200 4x as good as the LP120, because it costs 4x as much. To me, the differences everyone cites here suggests subtleties, which probably, on their own, don’t justify the 400% increase. Which then suggests to my mind, that the LP120 is either a steal at $300 or the SL1200 is overpriced. Probably a combination. I’d still consider upgrading to the SL1200 simply out of appreciation for the masterpiece it is.
There are more ways to fix the problem. There's a two decade supply of middle range direct drive tables, like the sl3200/3300, various other iterations of the same basic parts. And you can buy these twenty five year old tables often for like 100 clams. They still work great, and there are many well known mods to apply to them (like lining the underside of the table with modeling clay) to give you some really high end quality for about the same price you'd pay retail for the AT table new.
Brad Scott, I appreciate the help.
@@austinhunt4260 I never owned the AT table but I did own a middle range SL3200 and it was a magnificent piece of Japanese industrial art. Technics made very good stuff in the 70s and 80s. Panasonic, too. I loved my Panasonic boombox...
Also, the AT LP120 appears to be belt drive. I'd hunt down a well cared for direct drive Technics SL-something from the late 70s/80s. (If I still cared about vinyl, which I don't. And I live right next door to a record shop, fancy that.) Anyway, ebay has the sl-3200 now for $199-$245, and at that they're a great value.
Love the Pink Floyd while visiting this topic...
Brad Scott the LP-120 is a direct drive.
Decent 1200s are always available for no more than $700 which is nowhere near 4x as much as the Audio Technica.
Great video, we all know how good the Technics is but for the price the audio Technica is such a great turntable!!
Nearly everyone who watches this video says the exact same thing before they've even watched Part 2 to make a statement like that. The LP120 is not as good as you think.
@@cjsvinyl you are right.but really now.....the 1200 HAS to be better, look at what you have to pay!! I mean if it wasn't better wouldn't you be pissed off for all the money you are spending!?
@@Tunz909 _"but really now.....the 1200 HAS to be better"_
@@cjsvinyl The 1200 has been the work horse of the professional audio community since the 70's! My point is that had you FOUND the LP-120 better, what would that do to the industry as a whole?? You , yourself spent more money on a USED 1200 than on a brand new 120....the only other comparison's I can make are with pianos and cars. I'm a musician and used to sell pianos. A Used Yamaha Baby grand would go for more than double what a brand new piano from China would go for. At least back when I was selling them in the late 90's. My wife and I bought a used Toyota with over 150k miles!! That car is still running with over 250k miles on it!! I get it, believe me I do. By having the 120 not start up with the defect, just should have cemented the logic, no? I have inherited the 120, it's been in storage since 2014. I still have the receipt, it's still in the original box and shrink wrap. The unit cost the buyer around 230 bucks. I'm debating now whether to sell it, trade it back to the company. Even take it to the company in Stow, Ohio unbox it there, and pay for them to fix these obvious defects. a.) anti-tracking defective b.) tone arm will not lie flush with the record c.) by passing the pre-amp function does not work properly. But I would then have to weight the cost to have them upgrade/fix...so..I dunno..I appreciate all your efforts to educate us new hobbyists.. Most of all the record players I had in the past were all in one units like a Crosley and others...so there is a big learning curve for me. Thanks for the education!!
@@Tunz909 _"The 1200 has been the work horse of the professional audio community since the 70's"_ Exactly correct that's why I was confused when you used verbiage such as 'now' in your previous comment. The 1200 (as you know) is not only a powerful work horse since the 70's, but it's the only reason the mountains of 1200 imitation decks made from Audio Technica, Stanton, Pioneer, Numark, Reloop, Kuzmark, Gemini, etc. etc. all of those and more are because of the SL-1200 MK II design. As far as the Audio Technica as a whole, I never should have given AT as much of a chance as I did, and the first 30 seconds of my 'Part 2' video displays exactly why. You don't save money when you eventually have to send it out for repairs, or pay someone else to make modifications for you. It doesn't matter about money being saved when there are multiple issues not just one or two really bad ones with the LP120 and turntables like it. I wish I had more people deterring me from buying the LP120 because I ended up losing money on it in the long run, and I shouldn't have to go through all of that. When you have the experiences that I've had, you know it's no longer worth it. I was wrong to put any faith into that company and by purchasing a near mint SL-1200 for 600.00 I've had it for 3 years with no problems, and my MK5 is already 18 years old. It's the only sensible thing to do. If someone can't afford better turntables, then it's probably better to stay out of the hobby all together because the first priority is to take care of your records, followed by ensuring you get the most out of your Hi-Fi experience because otherwise there's no point to put yourself through it all if you're not going to experience it for what it is. At that point, you may as well just stick with CD's. The best decision my wife and I ever made was to stop kidding ourselves with imitation turntables, and just go for the real thing. Check back with me in 30 years and I know our SL-1200 will still be running strong.
I really can't tell the difference both of them sound incredible
WOW!! this is amazing review and comparison. I am making a decision if whether or not is a good option to invest some money on equipment and I am now more clear that it is a good decision. However I will go with the cheaper one which is a good option considering price. Thank you.
Well, you're correct on one thing, the LP120 is definitely cheaper I did everything I could to warn people in Part 2 of this comparison, but people are so fast to throw their money away without watching the rest of the reviews.
Interesting analysis and testing.👍🏼
The guitar track you first played and the bells ringing were definitely clearer where treble and midrange is concerned
The Ella F sounded the same on both decks, to me.
As with the track after the Bells ringing in my ears...
Although there seemed to be more depth with the LP120.
That slice of rock was definitely using more treble again on the SL1200.
The track after that sounded almost the same on both...to me.
Now I have had two SL1200 mark ii and mark i decks in my home since 1986 and have listened to them using different cartridges and stylus over the years.
I believe this is where the difference lays with sound going to your Amp, then out of your branded speakers.
So, in reality, to me unless we take the time to look at the latter I mentioned, we are not including all the stats.
Build quality is as you say, no doubts. The SL1200 is heavy, construction and materials are serious and the weight is substantial that the deck has everlasting sturdiness.
I have had no problems s over the years with mines and I have used Shute, Stanton, Concord, Ortofon and Audio Technica.
My favorite was the elliptical stylus made by Stanton but that company stopped making it for some reason.
In the world of deejaying it was the go to stylus in the 80s to mid 90s.
You could never scratch a vinyl disc no matter how much you spin back the vinyl.
Technics SL1200 i and ii come with ground cables, and short at that. That is my only beef with this turntable.
The newer models are highly overpriced and in reality, you do not need to break the bank to get the latest Technics 1200 mark “whatever”
Happy SL-1200 MK2 owner here. Thanks for this. Nice comparison.
Where did you buy your sl 1200?
I could hear greater stereo separation and sharper treble on the SL-1200.
Definitely
That's how I heard it as well
Definitely brighter!
Yeah i noticed too. But i think the Audio Technica is a little less exhausting to listen to
How are you listening to this youtube video?
It's nice that you upgraded but you were thrilled with the Audio-Technica when you got it and rightly so. It and its predecessor have served this channel very well.
You couldn't be more correct about how thrilled we were, but since then we were very displeased with Audio Technica. There's more beyond what I've demonstrated here that I'll be releasing soon in part 2.
@@cjsvinyl Look forward to it!
Me and a friend in the 90s used to balance the tone arm on the technics and let it bob up and down. This would do that for about 5 or 6 minutes. Just the quality of the technics. Japanese made what can I say. So iconic the technics. Still geak out over my pair to this day. And they still work like new!!!
I own an ATPL120 (pre USB model) with the preamp bypass mod done to it and an SL-1200 MK2. With the mod done to the ATPL120 it sounds really good. The SL-1200 of course sounds a little better. I got my technics for $300 out the door and my PL120 for $150. Sound wise they both sound great. MOD IS NEEDED 100% for better sound quality on the PL120. The difference really is in the construction. My 1200 feels like a goddamn tank. Top is heavy aluminum and the base is a heavy rubber. It’s very isolated unlike the ATPL120. Mods I made to my AT were adding a 3mm rubber slipmat and a leather slipmat under that, preamp bypass mod, and a better cartridge. That’s it.. and it sounds great. The thing is the Technics will probably out live me and eventually the AT will fail. I’ve read that they really aren’t meant to last very long because of how cheaply they’re made. Anyway if you’re on a budget pick up a cheap PL120 and mod it. I personally preferred this model to the USB model because I couldn’t stand seeing the letters USB on a turntable which should be all analog lol. If you have a little more dough to spend I’d FOR SURE go with the 1200. You’ll never need another turntable for as long as you live.
My 1200s are 25 yrs old and still work great. Let’s see we’re the 120 is after 20 yrs of abuse.
I can tell you exactly where the LP120 is going. Right back to Audio Technica for repairs because my Start/Stop button decided to give out. Nothing happened either, it's been carefully put in storage. I'm so glad we've upgraded to the Technics SL-1200.
One of the reasons I’ll never sell my 1200s. Over a decade of hard use as a DJ and they still run strong like the day I bought them. Now I get to enjoy them as a casual listener and beat maker.
My Garrard 401 is 54 years old and sounding superb . they just don't make equipment to last these days
@@Grimwriggler My Technics SL-1100 is 46 years old, I think Thorens TD 124 or EMT more durable, just like 301 / 401.
My 1200's are 26 years old. My first pair was stolen in 1993.
Wonderful review! With this, I came to a conclusion that even if they are similar in appearance, there's really nothing to compare. :-) Both have their own feature to make each product unique.
Did you watch this video all the way to the end? Have you also seen Part 2 of this video yet?
Up close it's pretty obvious, the AT looks like what it is, plastic.
@k2apache60 both of them use plastic
@@gamingguy9006The Technics has an entire (sorbothane?) rubber base, and die cast aluminum top plate with an internal aluminum plate (that is thick af). The only plastic I saw in my teardown is the main board and motor cover under the platter, and this is very solid thick high quality plastic.
if you use a decent pair of headphone (sennhieser hd25) you can clearly tell the difference, but that LP120 sound terrific for the price I have to agree 100% on that.
Even with my eyes closed I can tell a difference.
@@artiznl If you cant hear de difference in the treble you have hearing problems, asuming you are hearing this over a good pair of headphones.
@ exactly. i'm currently using a pair of cheap JBL earphones and i can still clearly hear the difference. especially from 3:04 to 3:08
Listening through a pair of Sennheiser HD650s and its definitely easy to tell them apart. The SL 1200 is the clear winner, as it should be.
@@rich_t with a price tag that high, it better be leagues ahead.
Great comparison; thanks CJs. I’m jumping into vinyl through the LP120 (was going to be a RT81 if Fluance shipped to Switzerland for a reasonable price). Pretty sure if vinyl hooks me, then I’ll upgrade to a SL1200. It sounds superior in both clarity and crispness. Even seemed to have slightly more faithful pitch at some points.
I own an Audio Technica 120--it is highly regarded and had plenty of great reviews. Purchased it in 2017 and could not be happier with it. I completely enjoy playing my LPs and listening to them on my "budget" system. You do not have to spend thousands of dollars to get great quality sound.
Agreed with the not paying thousands of dollars for a turntable part! We only initially paid an extra 300.00 on top of the cost of our LP120 to get the Technics SL-1200. No one is arguing that the LP120 sounds poor, it's that the SL-1200 is better.
Its so obvious that the Technics has much more definition, channel separation and much cristal treble...
The error is the interal audio texhnica preamp just remove at pre amp and then start again the test .
No true bypass on the LP120. Disconnect that abortion of a preamp and try again. Ground shunts so you can't get off the circuit without going into the table.
@ If you're tech savvy you can simply open up the Audio Technica and take the wires from the tonearm and solder them directly to the RCA cables, that's the way it is on the Technics and hence why the sound is a bit better since it goes straight to your preamp!
@@thehouserocker The point is that you shouldn't have to. I've replaced and soldered capacitors and flux flow transistors inside of vintage receivers, so I guess that would be considered "tech savvy" but that's for 45 year-old equipment so it's expected. The moment the consumer purchases a brand-new product, then has to put in the time to open it back up, and start making modifications, means that the manufacturer provided them with an inferior product. You should watch Part 2 of this video. Removing the internal preamp, or re-routing tonearm wires are the least of your problems when it comes to the LP120.
@@sleepsmoothsounds Does the switch on the back not actually fully disable the preamp?
Lotta work in making this video..thanks.
Thank you very much for that recognition. That support is what keeps me going.
the 120 is NOT bad, perhaps you;re not comparing apples to apples IMO. i'll keep my 120xbt and my Fluance.
You see the Part 1 on the thumbnail and the title of the video right? You've only watched Part 1. I would watch Part 2 specifically since the first 30 seconds of that video is more important than the length of this entire video. The LP120 is in fact NOT a good turntable. It IS very bad.
Excellent comparison. Thank you for posting this.
Thank you for your gratitude!
The 1200 is definitely the better turntable of the two. It's far more crisp, sharp and it reproduces mono records WAY better, as demonstrated by your Ella Fitzgerald test. However the 120 is an insanely good turntable for the price. It just depends on what you want or need from a TT.
The 120 sound about as good as the 1200 if you remove the preamp circuit, but the tonearm is far better on the 1200
It’s a little hard to tell. I’m sure in person, it’d be more night and day between the two turntables, but I could hear a difference even listening on my phone. The sound on the Technics was fuller, bigger, wider, and sounded really good with the first and fourth tracks being acoustic guitar. It’s cool that they’re both going into the Mani and use same headshell and cart. You did the A/B comparison correctly to be fair. I agree, the Technics won! I have a Technics SL 1100a and blows my mind almost every time I spin a record. The “beast” is 50 years old! It’ll probably last another 50! I have no idea how long the Audio Technica will last. It sucks that they can’t make a good turntable- they know how to make great carts. Anyways, cool video!
You should watch Part 2 to find out how long the LP120 lasts.
Technics / Panasonic - simply genius.
So glad I have three Mk2 1210s in good nick ... only gutted that I no longer have my pair of 1200s.
This video was very necessary. Great job! The 1200 sounds better. I think one more step that you should do before a final comparison is to do the solder hack that bypasses the DAC on the AT, I've seen videos that show a drastic improvement in sound quality.
I can definitely hear the difference, the SL-1200's vocal clairity, mids, and highs are enhanced compared to the LP120. I have the newer Audio Technica AT-LP140XP in black with the Audio Technia AT-VM95ML (Nude Microlinear) cartridge. Im using the phono input on my Onkyo TX-NR6100 and this setup sounds amazing to me. I'm really curious how much better the SL-1200 sounds compared to my current setup....
Harder to hear the difference in a video as opposed to being in person - a bit unfair since they are priced significantly different as the AT is about a third of the price of the Technics. For that I would pick the AT as you can buy a lot more vinyl with the money you save not to mention you could put together a reasonable little audio system with that extra money.
Wow! $1,000 table better than a $300 table? Shocking stuff, man.
500.00 actually, and then 100.00 for shipping from Japan.
существенной разницы не вижу. Разве что на Техниксе иногда чуть чуть слышится по чище звучание, но на слух это практически не различимо.
Нет. Так как я владел обоими, я могу сказать вам, что вокал все еще имеет существенную разницу. Кроме того, SL-1200 имеет функциональную защиту от ската, VTA и надлежащее демпфирование для снижения вибрации.
@@cjsvinyl 120 в стоке звучит плохо , после удаления встроенного фонокорректора с блоком юсб , будет не хуже Техникса .
@@sidmorrison6245 Вам нужно просмотреть оставшуюся часть этого видео и часть 2, прежде чем вы скажете, что он будет не хуже, чем Technics. Эти видео не являются строго аудиотестом.
@@cjsvinyl , да , здесь вы правы , не буду спорить.
I found it interesting that Audio Technica was founded by Hideo Matsushita and Panasonic (Technics) by Konosuke Matsushita.
Interesting:-) But 1200 is MADE in Japan, think the LP-120 is made in a country named CHINA
Technics every time. Never settle for modern day imitations kiddies
It's a brilliant device, but I struggle to justify paying so much for an up to 40 year old turntable with no warranty. I'd rather spend that amount on a Rega or Pro-ject. The LP120 looks like a decent beginner turntable, though.
There is not the massive divide I expected, I have heard this comparison between an sl1200 and an lp 120 that has had its preamp removed and a high-quality RCA fitted, and it's almost impossible to tell one from the other.
You see on the thumbnail where it says *'Part 1'* in big bold lettering? You are in dire need of watching *'Part 2'* before stating the claim that there is no massive divide. The divide is in utterly poor build quality, and this is as vast and deep as the divide gets. Sounds like you also only watched part of this video and not the rest where I begin the materials and build quality.
Nice to see that the younger generation is getting back into vinyl I'd still text the sl 1200 better build quality and it'll last you a lifetime
And I love hearing myself still referred to as the younger generation at age 36. I started collecting my LP's and singles in 2003.
There is definitely a difference in sound and build quality but given the SL-1200-MK7 is 4 times the retail price of the LP120XUSB I am not sure if the difference is worth the price difference though
Do you always make a final decision when only watching videos labeled *Part 1* ? There's a part 2 to this, and you should watch it: th-cam.com/video/49OCUWJSOi8/w-d-xo.html
The LP120 actually doesn't sound bad, but the Pink Floyd track in particular definitely showed that the SL1200 has a wider sound stage and was just clearer overall. I know the LP120 has a built in preamp that causes issues even when bypassing it, so maybe it's because of that.
yes, it is
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I personally can't tell a single differences (sounds wise) here, BUT I'll take Technics all day if I get to choose, Great comparation!
listening to the two they both sound very similar to one another. i would say the sl-1200 has the edge over the other as there is slightly better treble. but i also noticed if im not watching the video i don't really notice a difference.
I concur.......slightly better treble.
Let me put it to you this way: if were a Fortune 500 corporate executive, I'd get the Technics, bot I'm not. Besides, I've heard a LOT of great things about the 120, as a moderately priced turntable it does a great job! I've had mine for over six months and there's no complaints. I can save up for a heavier counter weight and an ORTOFON stylus to pump up performance if need be, and the music would be just as good as what comes from the more expensive turntable!
Where's the LMAO emoji?
It almost sounds like the days of cassettes, when Dolby was selected, the air was missing.
Without a doubt vocals are so much better on the Technics. I especially noticed on the Gregory Alan Isakov track. Obviously build quality is hands down better.
I think The SL-1200 had the edge, but not by as much as I thought it would. In fact, during the opening chimes of "Time," they actually came pretty close to each other, but on everything else, the deficit of the 120's preamp makes itself known. There was a slightly noticeable mid-to high-mid suck-out that wasn't there on the 1200. It wasn't necessarily objectionable, but it didn't sound like the 120 was performing up to its full potential, like there was more it could have been doing sonically.
Still, I don't suspect the 120's issues aren't something a little more quality control might not fix, but it seems like Audio-Technica is either indifferent or unwilling to do it. I wonder just how much effort it took for them to allegedly fix the anti-skate problem (I actually haven't been able to confirm it, so I take back what I said on a different post).
I agree with that. I think they could too. I feel if Audio Technica put in the time and effort to make other changes to their internal wiring as well, this will most likely boost the cost. The LP120 uses normal wires for their tonearm connections, whereas the SL-1200 uses oxygen-free carbon fiber wiring. Now, the Mark V came out November 1st of 2002, so I don't exactly know how old our turntable is. Not because the seller didn't know, but because I didn't ask due to their exemplary description of it, including its appearance. My guess is that the wiring inside of the tonearm could stand to be replaced. Or, maybe it's only 5 years old and they're still going strong. Either way, before some upgraded parts were ordered, the initial price of this turntable was only 500.00 which was one of the biggest reasons I went with it. All of that to say, I don't think we should hold our breath when it comes to Audio Technica. I think they cut corners for a reason, which is why their products (while decent) are still inexpensive and sub-par. All the more reason to sell them and save some money to buy a used Technics. At least now, our newest turntable works exactly as it's supposed to, and with everyone online talking about how their Mark II's are still going strong after 40 years, I have a feeling the Mark V is going to last us for the long haul.
I appreciate everything you're doing CJ!
I'm glad you do. I've been getting hatred that is completely misconceived and unwarranted on this video to the point that I'm just done with the haters, and I'm deleting them. People like you that understand what I'm trying to do makes it all worth it.
@@cjsvinyl Looks like they may have leaned on the people who make the table for them like Pioneer did with the PLX-500. Supposedly they've sort of moved its replacement, the 120x, downmarket. They improved the preamp and antiskate, but they took away the tonearm height adjustment. If you want something close to the 1200, they want to steer you towards the 140x.
To be completely honest, though, I don't even know if they're using the same OEM manufacturer as before. Nothing on Hanpin's website corresponds to any model they currently make.
Question: Had you removed the preamp switch board in the AT-LP120 before the test?
The SL-1200 is an engineering marvel, treat them right and manitain them and they can outlive more than one owner. There's a 1210 in the London Science Museum, as an example of technology that shaped the world we live in. That's a significant statement and a huge compliment to it's engineering and build quality.
Well said my friend. Thank you for commenting.
Have you ever did a comparison with the preamp removed?
After all this years, TECHNICS still rules! (Based on sound clarity, brilliance, depth.) But for the price, I think the AT 120 is a good alternative.
As others have mentioned the price difference is substantial today between the two. Yes you can buy a used vintage SL1200 but I would advise you know how to work on them and have a good source for parts when needed as for any vintage gear. The AT 120 is a great table if you set it up correctly and take care of it.
If the reason you’re not buying a used 1200 is because you don’t know how to work on them and don’t know where to get the parts which aren’t made anymore (a VERY good reason in my opinion), then price is probably not your first consideration. That being the case, check out the Reloop RP7000 Mk2 before you choose the Audio Technica LP120x. The Reloop is FAR superior and much closer to the Technics in performance and audio quality, at an excellent price.
@@robsemail Good info, thanks!
I have 2 1200 mk ii’s I purchased in 1991 still going strong. My friends fell of the back of a car and still worked.
@@modernsoul6590I hope your friends are okay.
I much appreciate that you used the same cartridge on both TT's.
I know this is just youtube audio, but using a high quality set of headphones they sound identical to me, for all intents and purposes. I definitely think the Technics is way better built, but this doesn't seem to affect the actual sound quality. It's as if the AT is built "good enough" to give the same sound.
A turntable is a pretty simple device. I would think the biggest difference would be noticed by changing cartridges.
I suppose the real test is how they each sound after a thousand hours of use. The build quality may play a more important part in THAT test. 😎
BTW, the anti skating problem the old 120's have could play into record wear, perhaps. But the very existence of anti-skating is actually a contested topic in audio forums, especially by AR-XA owners.
The best way to set an anti-skate is to use a smooth flat disc with no grooves on it and get the cartridge to remain still. It is at that point the anti-skate setting that then shows is proven correct. The number given in instruction pamphlets for the anti-skate setting is merely a guide and might not prove to be correct in practice.
I own two Technics 1200 MKII's. One in each of my systems. Here is now the ideal way to hear a difference since the audio winds up being compressed MP3 format. I BARELY noticed any difference between the two. The Audio Technica sounded very slightly softer than the Technics (and only sometimes)
yes the softer sound in the LP 120..or a slight louder sound in the 1200...during the Fitzgerald tune it was hardly noticeable at all.
Thank you for this nice comparison video! I was planning to buy the AT LP-120X, but now I think I changed my mind.
Thank you for your gratitude. Part 2 is an even bigger eye opener, but you have so many other choices that I know you'll find something much better.
The 120X actually offers several improvements from the former 120 that lead to better sound quality. They fixed some of the known issues, kept the tonearm, and upgraded the cartridge system. Still a lighter duty table than the SL1200, but the price difference allows for a huge cartridge upgrade that should ultimately make a very noticeable sound upgrade. For equal money, I'd take the SL-1200 in a heartbeat, but on my budget, the 120x with a nude shibata cart upgrade is tough to beat for the price.
Not only SL-1200 wins on quality of product, which is by far a better product, but also in sound quality. From what I could hear the Technics has more tight bass, it's more warmth, and has a more deep sound stage. I guess the bottom line is that you get what you pay for. Congrats on the review! Cheers!
With all of the various records we've been spinning on the SL-1200 so far, Vocals and Strings seems to be the biggest thing that I hear the difference in. It's SOOOOO much more clear than the LP120 with percussion and strings, but above anything else, the vocals are so much better. Thanks for your comment and support!
I totally agree. The vocals were really noticeable. Huge improvement!
You guys rock!!!
@Vinyl Explorer what you hear in LP120 is not the exact sound that the cartridge is generating. Here a part of the signal is subjected to grounding muffling the high frequencies. As Technics lacks this feature,it sounds more open and clear.
Just rip off the internal preamp in LP120 and then hear how it sounds. I bet it will be difficult to differentiate it from the Technics in the blind test.
@typedef So where are all of your demonstrations of this knowledge on your channel? All I see is some thug music and a pretentious comment from a douche bag that is trying to deny himself the truth. When someone else makes a perfectly good point about money being properly invested into quality products, don't deny them just because you don't want to face the truth.
Haven't used the AT unit but looks like an exact copy !!!
many gears were branded differently but out of the same factory back then and now still....
Love to hear AT owners inputs !!
I can happily say that I'm no longer an AT owner. They had their chance, I had plenty of exposure, and I prefer a turntable that actually works the way it's supposed to. I should have spent the extra money from the beginning for a used SL-1200.
I like the LP better
I take it you have never seen the 1200’s 40 yrs of DJ work it’s done 😁
Thank you for doing the comparative test, I did notice some differences, and for me, I like the SL 1200 better
I started getting into vinyl last year and I would be loved to get the technics but with shipping to New Zealand & import taxes it would've cost quite a bit. I ended up getting the LP120 because it was sold in a physical store here. For the moment, I'm happy with my LP120 till I can afford an upgrade 😊
Have any vinyl websites you can refer? Thx.
@@DezmondAbrams real groovy?
Sonically, it is very difficult to comment on the differences presented, since the codec used on TH-cam is not designed for other purpose but the assumption of video submission. Maybe I notice one or another detail in the low frequencies between the two machines but it may just be my imagination to work. In this context, I believe that everyone can decide what they want on the quality of reproduction. I have a SL 1210 mkII and never in life would I trade it for any machine of the same style.
Physically, everything that is described after 7:52 is correct and in this respect there can be no doubt. The quality of construction is one of the points that most caught my attention in these machines, since I met them and began to use. It does not seem to me that any manufacturer is able to put something on the market with this quality and stability.
And frankly, after dealing with a Technics SL I think that the last thing anyone would need was a copy.
I may even be wrong ...
Technics has purer sound and more depth imo. 👍
Depends on the carteidge
Tony Colbourne but is it almost $900 worth of clarity?
It's incredible. The treble is so much more pronounced on the 1200, as well as a deeper, cleaner sound. The 120 just comes off as a little stale and muffled. I noticed it the most in the Pink Floyd and Ella Fitzgerald tracks. Nice video.
Thank you!
Now I noticed it the most in the first guitar /instrumental track!
LP120 has no bypassed the internal preamp. This is the main difference, ok?
@@alberto3028 You're right. The difference is in RIAA preamps. Not the quality but a slight eq difference (RIAA has some tolerances). There is no electronics from pick-up to rca phono out and the mechanical elements are very similar so... The real difference is that the AT is a very good robust deck and the Technics is a...tank! 1200s are "heavy duty working disco horses for fearless djs with subwoofer under the table" :D The same is for microphones, there are some very good sounding cheap mics, but when you have to put them into professional environment, you can appreciate some hidden features of an U87 or AKG414, for example rear sound rejection or less proximity effect.
I've always had a good laugh at people who make turn-table comparisons using only music. How about throwing on some audio test LPs, use a scope or digital sound analyzing software and compare the results? This eliminates the "I THINK X sounds better", opinions, brand bias, etc.
MARK MALASICS ok, go and do the video. We will wait
Most people listen to music. All you have to do is blind testing.
MARK MALASICS Brand bias huh? So what's yours? Crosley? I wish I could say I get a good laugh from idiots that don't read titles, ignore text on thumbnails, never read descriptions, and consider watching the entire videos before commenting. Unfortunately that's not funny because you're another shining example of the severely ignorant and lazy. All talk as they say. Try watching past the 7:51 point of the video and then *Part 2* maybe reconsider that joke of a comment.
LOl scopes and measurements are only relevant when something is being produced . What really matters is the final result and how it sounds during playback with music
The difference is not that bad. Since I own 2 SL-1200's & in the market for a new turntable w/usb, I will purchase one from Amazon. Thank you for the great comparison..!!!
I have 2 SL-1200's as well but need a cheap turntable for a secondary residence. After listening to this comparison (The LP120 isn't THAT far behind, and I have a better cartridge to put on it as well) I too will grab one of these soon. ;)
The one and only Technics will always reign supreme! It is the original after all.
nice review; good test methodology. The SL1200 sounds like it has the edge to me, but I can't exactly say why: a little bit warmer, perhaps. I have to doubt my own ability to differentiate through laptop speakers though and suspect the real differences only become apparent in a proper listening environment with an amp and speakers that match (and which are the same for both).
Materials are far better on the Technics and would be a winner for me on that basis given that the sounds seem very close.
Very nice demo, thanks. There definitely are differences, but frankly I thought the might be a lot more pronounced. Thanks for taking the time to give us empirical evidence to evaluate, not just another audiophile opinion. 👍
The differences are absolutely more pronounced. I'm only guessing you watched passed the audio comparison and into the next portion of this review, but did you watch Part 2 yet? There's a lot more that I include in both videos than just sound and material quality.
@@cjsvinyl I had not watched part 2. The tracking problem on the 120 was impressive, unbelievable. My question would be, what mods would you recommend to 120 (corrected...) owners? Have you written to the manufacturer or seller?
@@rpg896 You're definitely going to want to watch Part 2. 110 owners? You mean the MP-110 that I used in this audio comparison? I don't really believe in mods for this type of hobby. If you have to tear apart your brand new products to correct what the manufacturer should have done, then there's a bigger problem that needs to be looked at. This is why we purchased our SL-1200 for only 200.00 more than the LP120. It's not 4x as expensive as you mentioned in your other comment. The best thing you can do is not support a company like audio technica.
@@cjsvinyl I did see and hear your part 2 video. It was very instructive, also. If I can get a 1200 for only $200 more I’ll do it. But it would obviously be used and it need to be from a reputable vendor (I don’t have that over here). You would still need a cart, also. I’ll look into it in the near future and thank you fir the tip.
I understand that a $300 tt will not be as good as a 1200. But I’ve decided against buying used and searched all over and there’s no big competition for the 120. Neither Fluance, Pro Ject or Music Hall compares for the price. Not even the famous makes like Denon or Pioneer have a matching tt.
Beyond the shadow of a doubt, the SL-1200 *HANDS DOWN* amplifies better vocals! When I opened my eyes during the sound test I was right to see the Technics playing every time! Listen to 6:23 on the LP120, and then hear an undeniable difference in his voice at 6:37 when on the SL-1200.
I'd bet my life nobody could actually tell the difference in audio with a blind test. Also you threw me for a loop with the "Leo Kottke" 😂.
I think that the sound quality depends mostly on the type of stylus/cartridge that your using.Now the question here is which of the two is durable?
uhmmm interesting.....so I'm wondering now, if you put a cheaper stylus/cartridge in the 1200...and did a 'blindfold" test one might not notice the slight difference that we do now? well from what we all read the 1200 is the work horse
1200 definitely has a tighter sound with better definition but the Audio technica is a great starter turntable. Auido technica carried the turntable industry through a time when nobody cared about records.
Keep in mind this is only *Part 1* and the first 30 seconds of *Part 2* is the most important part of the whole video.
Нет различий в звуке. 👌Обе вертушки классные!👍
Это больше, чем звук. Продолжайте смотреть и смотрите Часть 2.
Peace and light....the first dj in the u.k. to own technics 1200's in the UK was froggy(r.i.p.),he came back from the USA in 1980,with a pair and began megamixers history,and those decks still exist today!.
The Technics sounds cleaner also.
@•‿• ...and sometimes the owners of these decks just know the difference, especially in person.
It's like comparing Champagne with sparkling wine !
But let's put things into perspective: Audio Technica will make the unfortunate happy !
😉
The unfortunate are already the insufferable so denial feels great to them.
I would imagine 90% of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference if they closed there eyes. Probably wouldn't even be able to notice the turntable changed at all
We have more than just sound going on here, there's a lot with build quality that is day and night difference. IE, Anti-Skate problems, Vertical Tracking Angle problems, plastic versus rubber and aluminum, plus they are also much different in person when it comes to sound. This is the best I can provide online.
Moral of the story buy a rega planar 3 or 6?
Если закрытыми глазами , то думаю 99%, а оставшиеся 1% соврут, что слышат разницу.
I have a Reloop RP7000 Mk2 and it's fantastic built like a tank and brand new .I absolutely love it👍😊
ya for sure the 1200, classic. a lot of audiophiles scoff at a dd turntable, but the 1200s sound awesome, and they're tanks that run forever
It is true we audiophiles sometimes scoff at dd but not many of us scoff at the 1200 series and most of us own one, their stability and near reference levels make them very good for recording vinyl to digital without a lot of messing around.
Reason why the 1200 became the staple to any real dj.
Give me a direct drive anyday ... my vintage pioneer has no motor noise . Something else It doesn't have is abysmal wow and flutter specs of so called modern audiophile tables.. cough cough REGA . The the 1200 is the best built and sounding table iv ever heard weather for dj or home listening.
My dad had around 3000 records collection ,so he was buying all this turntables....I still have sl1950 DIRECT DRIVE,JVC-QL-F4 and Pioneer-PL-518 that I have for sale. All I was getting from craigslist-$200 for all 3 of them. I never hooked them up but just listening here, oh man ,I can hear clearly the difference! Technic sounds so much clearer ! Loved it. Now I'm not sure if I want to sell the SL-1950. Btw, I do have the record collection too, which I wanted to sell.
It was impossible for me to tell the difference in sound quality. My big question is resistance to "foot falls" and speaker acoustic feedback. Did you check any of those along the way?
I listened to the music but I didnt check the video and it sounds pretty much the same
i'm listening to this vid through my shitty phone speaker and even i can tell that there's a grand difference. much clearer sound. Crisper. it's not always the cartridge or amp, sometimes it's the deck! The power of Technics! i will listen through headphones when i arrive home. i have the AT-LP120 as well and am planning on selling it for a Technics. Nice comparison
I too own both. In spite of the A-T’s poor quality, it still gets the job done with cartridges its tonearm will support. The Technics is just awesome.
I agree the LP120 is a solid MAchine and yes the Technics is Legendary
The SL is slightly more open, detailed and brighter. But the price of a used one is ridiculous when you can purchase a new better tt for the same price. The LP sound was very close. A little tonal tweaking and you’d be good to go.
Nice comparison! 👍🏻
The trick is to look at something else while this is playing and try to notice any difference while the Pink Floyd song is playing. Try not to see which table is playing.
I am not saying anything about consumer decisions. If you want better build quality, it's obvious which is better. But the sound is so close, especially if you just listen and don't watch. Again, consumer decisions: to each their own.
Technics is better, but AT is pure best buy!
Finish this video to the end, not just a portion of the beginning, and then watch *Part 2* here: th-cam.com/video/49OCUWJSOi8/w-d-xo.html
1200s were built for DJs. They can be abused and used over and over. No one can come close the the build quality. You can also replace every part of the 1200s.
Amen 🙏
I have to disagree with you... The sl1200 was built to be a hifi player and djs only discovered that it's great for every abuse you can throw at it. Of course technics now builds them for djs but it's intended use in the first years of its existence was hifi.
you can replace the parts of the LP120 as well.
1200 is not for dj 1210 mk 2 is for dj
I'd like to see the same comparison with a factory preamp delete done to the lp120.
I just removed my built in preamp in the PL120 (non usb) and added a ground to the tonearm and holy cow… sounds very warm and beautiful. The thing is thought that Technics are just built sturdier and have better dampening qualities both in the platter and plinth.
Could you please also test the SL-1210MK7 vs. AT-LP140XP
OK, I'm trying but, I can't tell the difference. Here's my set up. Computer out into and OSD AMP60 into two Sony MU S6 Speakers. I scrolled down, read a few comments, and had absolutely no idea that the discs were being swapped back and forth during tracks. My home set up is a Yamah YP-B2 with an AT cartridge through a TubeCube 7 amp into Pure Acoustic speakers. I have a pretty good collection of various genres of vinyl from 30's and 40's Jazz, through to synth pop of the 80's and pretty much everything in between. I'm 46. I can't tell the difference. I guess a vintage Technics might be a find, but the price difference between these two is just not worth it for the casual listener. Sorry guys, AT-LP120.
Same I could not tell difference when he was A/B'ing Dark Side and I can hear upto 18khz! (although to be fair youtube compression and all but they both suffer it)
No difference in sound. When I close my eyes I can't tell which one is playing.
True
Agree. If you are using the same cartidge, you will hear almost no difference.
@@Peter_Cetera Well yeah, of course it would sound different if I had used two different cartridges. That would make the audio comparison entirely useless. The point is to see if there was an audio difference in the *turntables themselves*. This video is a comparison of turntables, not a comparison of cartridges. If I put the standard AT-95e on the LP120 and left the Nagaoka MP-110 on the SL-1200, which one do you think is going to sound better? Exactly! That's why you don't throw people off with a different cartridge when you're testing the decks.
You need to get better headphones then
Audio-technica management to their engineers. "Here is a really excellent turntable. Make me something that looks just like it but for a lot cheaper." As an audiophile owner of an SL 1200 MkII and now an SL 1200GR I'm not saying that the AT-140 isn't a decent turntable (never having used one) for the price, but the fact that build quality and the fact that your engineers are the one's that designed it does count for something compared to a cheap knockoff.
You need to watch Part 2 of this video.
The LP120 Preamp clips the highest frequencies- remove that and it gets alot better. It's no SL-1200 though
Alan Sasek *a lot. It's two words.
Of course SL1200 is better but it is interesting to remove Pre-Amp from AT LP 120 and then compare. I have a Pioneer PLX 500 and need to remove the pre-amp. Thank you very much for the very good test, once again I made sure that you do not have to buy an turntable with an integrated pre-amp.