When Electra read that random girl at the restaurant it was the best things ever 😭 it’s the reason I started watching the show because I saw the clip and loved it
They didn't get anything right or wrong. Pose isn't BASED on true stories. It's a drama series with INSPIRATIONS of true events/characters. Inspired & based are different.
you're not wrong, but before this, I would never have known that any of it happened in real life. I figured one or two things, such as act up protests and Hart Rock Island were real. But I didn't know about the Museum Heist or the Giant Condom.
@@Epodmusic17 Yea, I learned some things too. And I had heard about the condom thing when I was little but I didn't know the story... The dead body in the closet is true too.
Agreed, the facts are the facts but certain parts of the show are fiction for storyline. Also, I don't think they got it wrong with house names. Evangelista, Abundance, Ferocity, Wintour were all fictitious houses with ferocious members. If you know ballroom history you can tell Electra is based on Crystal n Pepper Labeija, Candy was based on Venus Xtavaganza, Angel was based on Octavia St Laurent and etc. the houses and characters didn't need to be factual they were all inspired by factual people but written as a work of fiction.
@@yrg9405 In truth, the character, Elektra, is rather a mere shadow of Chrystal Labeija. If threatened, Crystal would beat a straight mans’ ass, a wannabe thug pimp or anybody else, in the middle of Broadway if it came to that. This was true of a number of Queens back in the day. I know, I saw it happen more than once. After witnessing this the first time I vowed to NEVER get into an altercation of any kind with any of them. Contrary to commonly held beliefs, trans people tend to be ferocious fighters when they decide they have to fight.
Love Pose! As someone who was around the house/ball scene in NYC late 70s/early 80s I'd say they got it right as much as a fictional TV show can (because they actually got advice and guidance from people IN the scene!). There are moments where the actors look a little too clean, put together, with good skin and teeth... which just isn't always the reality for these kids. Many live(d) outside at least part of the time, and turned tricks on the piers and in cars on West Side Highway. Ya don't always step away from that with clean clothes, smooth skin, and a Colgate smile. But otherwise it's very accurate. I love that they portray the houses as they are - survival families, not just performance troupes!
In the new season, there seemed to be a shift in ball culture in 1994-95. Pray Tell mentioned that it wasn’t the same anymore, if you don’t mind me asking, would you say that was true?
@@avant-garde2.028 Back in the late 70s/early 80s it was definitely very survival-oriented for many of the members of the houses. Pose was accurate in portraying that. However, many mothers and/or fathers of the houses could not afford to pay for large spacious places for their house and all of the bills and expenses for their children, so scraping by as best one can was a way of life for many and often all members were required to contribute what they could (even if that was a small amount, food stamps, etc). Pose also references the reality of "working the piers for coins". Later in the 90s the houses and balls began to really focus on HIV education and fundraising for community orgs in a way that connected them to a larger community in a different way than earlier.
Additionally, many of the outfits were either mopped or made at home. The majority of them were NOT like the extravagant looks in Pose or like you see on Drag Race.
I think they got stuff wrong on purpose because tho its based on real things but fake people and the fake house names probably couldn't get permission to use real names on pose. My Fav thing? The Art Of The Read its freaking amazing
Right. This isn't a matter of getting it right and wrong. This is a fictional portrayal of the ball culture. If they want it true to life, they would've explicitly said it.
First thing that people overlook is that pose is based around real people but it is pretty accurate in the representation of what it was like to be gay (in my case) in the 80s abs 90s, anyone who was there lived it.
The whole stealing for looks is true. I have accidently witnessed incidents of girls pulling out air-conditioner to crawl into a shop and steal gowns. It was so bad ...the police started showing up at pageants and balls looking for stolen gowns. Many a crown were Out due to arrest!
I love this show. When I was growing up, I too joined a house. The house of Royalty, where I learned to love myself for exactly who I was and am today. Education and plan was really big within our house
pose, is the only true to life depiction of trans-life, i've seen on television, with the brutality of the age. i was a teenager in the late 80's and came out in the mid 90's. it's a shame that season 3 is the end, and i hope it's a good ending too.
Thank you for paving the way for the rest of us, Jayne. I know you did it for you, not us, but every step you took made it easier for another trans person to follow in your footsteps. It can't have been easy coming out in the 90s, coming out as 'gay' as a teenager in 2000 was hard enough. I didn't have the courage to be truly authentic until 2016.
Clearly you don't watch the show as usual. Blanca got her drugs because she's friends with a doctor who gets the drugs from her rich client's after they die
What the narrator is saying is that someone like Blanca wouldn't be do lucky to be friends with a lesbian nurse with the ability to get these drugs from generous wealthy AIDS patients in real life. It's not realistic; not that Blanca's character never got AZT, at all
@@OyayoTheStorm not to mention that the wealthy aids patients would have only had a month’s supply at any given time. Of those who died, not all of their leftover meds would be scooped up by that nurse. The pills she did get her hands on would be needed by numerous patients, it’s unlikely that much would be available to Blanca.
Very true,@@tjwash2. We have to understand that this is very fictional and written to give us a "Hollywood" dramatization of how the writers would like it to play it
Not to mention AZT often caused symptoms worse than AIDS itself and there was no conclusive evidence at the time it prolonged the life of the person taking it. So even if someone was lucky enough to get AZT, there’s no way to be sure it wouldn’t cause them to deteriorate faster because of debilitating side effects, let alone help them live any longer. It really was a game of Russian roulette.
This show has been groundbreaking! Truly remarkable to see myself represented onscreen. These characters feel real, like people I know.. like I am being portrayed on camera. Thank you so much for bringing transvisibility to the mainstream.
The part about AZT is not fully accurate in the context of the show. Blanca doesn’t have access to AZT until season 2, when she finds out that her illness has progressed to full blown AIDS. At that point, Nurse Judy told her about how richer patients that were at end stage would donate their meds to less fortunate and healthier people, which is how Blanca and Pray Tell were able to get on medication. It happens in the episode where Candy is murdered. Speaking of which, I do wish the topic of the murders of trans women was discussed in the video, as it is very real, and sadly ongoing as of 2021. That, and the violence towards Trans women depicted in the episode Cocoon/Butterfly, where Electra has to dispose of that body, and they discuss why going to the police wasn’t an option. That was a very real occurrence that happened to Dorian Corey, whom was prominently featured in Paris is Burning. Otherwise, nice video.
Yep. I used to live in London (I've since moved to the Midlands), and there was a black transwoman from my old neighbourhood who was killed in her own home 🏡
MsMojo - while inspired by actual people and events, POSE is not a historical drama or documentary. It did not "get" anything wrong - as in Dragnet (no pun intended), the names and places were changed to protect the innocent.
This isn't a matter of getting it right and wrong. This is a fictional portrayal of the ball culture. If they want it true to life, they would've explicitly said it.
I agree 100 percent....but she had to say something to even have a topic to talk about..and yeah she made a pointless video...AND I WATCHED IT...but i so agree with i
True fact: I was arrested outside St. Pats that day. I was laying down in the middle of the street blocking traffic, along with hundreds of other protesters. It was one of the proudest moments of my life!
This video should have been titled FACT & FICTION. “Right & Wrong” gives a negative connotation…like the show may have done some things WRONG. Do better MsMojo. Stop being purposefully misleading.
@@rainstorm571 - You don't make any sense. Fiction is fiction. It is crazy that so many people are still equating fiction as real. "Pose" isn't real. Another tv show "The Underground Railroad" isn't real.
Pose did use some real names I would know I grew up around ballroom culture and heard some of the names while watching the seasons also what I got from the museum seen back in the early days of ballroom all the way till about 2008 everyone couldn't sow or pay for materials so some people resorted to mopping and boosting out of stores to look good and snatch trophies did they boost out of the museum in real life idk but boosting for a category was real tea
There was no “right or wrong”, Pose purposefully revised certain events. They consulted with REAL historians of ballroom, to develop this series. They made things fictional on purpose, in order to possibly avoid lawsuits when representing people or entities, without their authorization. You missed the mark on this Ms. Mojo. This show isn’t a documentary, it’s a dramatization. It’s not supposed to be literal or 100% factual. Pose got it ALL right.
Candy's death was very similar to what really happened to Venus Extravaganza. Venus was also not heard from or seen for days until somebody found her in a motel room dead. She had been dead at least 4 days before somebody found her, a her case is still cold. 😔
Keep in mind Pose is a fictional series, it was never set out to be accurate to the T. Instead it uses real houses, people, and events as inspirations for the show. The video title should be renamed to fact & inspiration.
I for one am going to miss Pose and I want to thank those who helped with it for allowing us into your world, and I am so sorry that your brothers and sisters are hated for being different, and that aides shook the community so violently with so much death, I respect transgender and gays I always have because my cousin is gay and his father doesn't have much to do with him which is a shame, you deserve to be loved for who you are and wish we could have seen so much more if the ballroom culture still existed in NYC I would try and see it I think
Im very surprised I didnt see anything about Elektra hiding a body mummified in her own closet. That was also a true event that occurred with the one and only Dorian Corey. Although the times are different, the the time that the body was mummified for was drastically different, I thought it would be something that would be said.
The majority of things impose really did happen such as the museum heist the dead body in the trunk. They just changed a lot of the stories for I guess good TV but I was there for most of these ballroom moments
I loved Pose. As it has come to an end I already miss it. I appreciate the storylines that were based on true events: Venus Estravaganza's murder & Candy's murder. The mummified body in Electra's closet. I wish there was more focus on each element of vogue and vast categories of the ballroom.
Pose is like the Black and Latin Angels in America. But I recommend people to watch pair is burning documentary before beng watching pose, so that you can put the pieces together on whom the pose characters are based on and where the storyline goes to.
Tho the main houses where fake they do mention some real houses that where around at the time , House of pendarvis- real When electra had the guys body in her closet- a real sort of urban legend that was inspired by the life of dorian corey
They missed the part where Elektra had that trick die and dr orlando put him in a suitcase and it was stashed in a closet. There was a story of a drag queen who died and when they were cleaning out her belongings they opened her closet which smelled and opened up a suitcase to find a corpse. It was assumed it was either a fan or trick gone bad.
In other words, they got it pretty much all right. Which is what i would have expected. No, it's not technically a documentary in that the actual people are fictional, but the whole point of the series was to show what that world was like, so of course it matters whether they got it right or wrong.
Madonna didn't create the voguing, but she was the only person back then who really was supporting the comunity, she let the people see another point of view of gay people, she gave her voice to the comunity to express, she help our comunity to be more accepted in the society. Thank u madonna ❤️
I wish people dressed as clean as this still. Fashion, personal hygene, self care, structure, etc have all gone to trash after the 90s. It is like you have to pass out gold stars now just for people to comb their hair, and brush their teeth.
It's the sagging pants, bonnets, pajamas, and slippers out in public for me...and if your outside in pajamas at the airport or walmart. Does this also mean they haven't showered???
When RuPaul introduces the reading mini-challege on RuPaul's Drag Race, he always refers to Do scene in Paris Is Burning. If people like Pose, they really need to watch Paris Is Burning.
As far as the house names, I think most of the main house names (Extravaganza and Lebaja) are patented, so the show probably came up with fictional house names. Is it necessarily wrong? I don't think so, just a thought.
Maybe "right" and "wrong" aren't exactly accurate, but I took it to mean "fact" or "fiction", which I love knowing about tv shows and movies. I wasn't bothered. So I appreciated this video, as it's definitely exciting to feel transported back in time. (Been watching "Black Monday" and that's another show that's fun to compare with real life culture and events of the 1980s.) And yes, if the information (in this video) came from other sources, then of course cite them. But I now am inspired to watch the series "Pose". So this video was effective. And I appreciate all the folks who were there way-back-when chiming in in the comments. I didn't know that reading and voguing had been around so long; I feel foolish for thinking that Madonna invented Voguing. 🤦🏽♀️
Agree. I also interpreted 'right' and 'wrong' more as 'fact' or 'fiction'. I don't think Ms Mojo's intent was necessarily to teach or inform but to compare the 'Hollywood' version to the actual event(s) to see if the scenes depicted adhered to (ie 'right') or deviated from (ie 'wrong') historical facts...(eg. 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood ' vs Tate murders). Sorry you had to find out about vouging and Madonna that way tho 😢 🤣🤣
I thought about the ball culture whenever Julia Sugarbaker went into one of her "patented" annihilations on "Designing Women." A mention in the credits would have been nice. lol
I love when white women critique, narrate and “correct “ the creativity and vision of people of colour. Please continue to tell us what we got “right” and “wrong” It’s sooo illuminating...said no queer creative of colour with vision. Trying to school us on a subject we originated and perfected...girl please.
I took this video as a way to teach people who aren’t familiar with ball culture what is true and what isn’t in the show “Pose.” It’s not a critique of the people who created it for being right or wrong, but a way to educate the uninitiated (read straight, white, cis people) on the actual truth of what happened during this era. Anyone who knows anything about ball culture or was alive in the 80s/90s knows the T, right?
@@nailartguy3363 that’s the great thing about postmodernism we can both watch something and come away with varying perspectives on the topic and or subject matter. I stand by my observations and thanks for sharing yours.
@@Judges4MWarriorWoman Absolutely! I never tried to imply your feelings upon watching this video aren’t valid. I only wanted to provide a differing perspective in reference to the intended purpose of the video. The only issues that were deemed “wrong” were the usage of House names, AZT availability, and the “death-in” protests. 7/10 were a celebration of what was “right.” The video simply points out inaccurate aspects of “Pose” but in a very limited scope; the criticisms are not of creativity, but rather the veracity of specific issues that might be interpreted as fact. Letting the uninformed know the truth that “Evangelista” and “Abundance” were not real House names doesn’t detract from the show’s creative brilliance. Accurately depicting the situation regarding AZT in the late 80s and further explaining what happened during ACT UP protests aren’t an affront to POC creativity. Anytime you present the ignorant with truth it is definitely a good thing, in my opinion. It’s not always a revisionist, culturally insensitive critique worthy of derision. Especially considering Miss Mojo has a plethora of videos of this nature illuminating the inaccuracies of all types of content created by all types of people.
@@nailartguy3363 You mean my thoughts on the issue?, I provided a perspective not a feeling on the issue. As well, there’s no need to clarify or attempt to explain my views on the video. To further reiterate: post modernism allows us to engage and re-engage with content or pop culture material from a variety of perspectives. I don’t expect us to view things with the same lens, and I really do not need your validation as it pertains to my criticisms on this content, but since you offered it, again, thank-you. Please refer to the title of the video “Top 10 Thongs Pose Got Factually Right and Wrong” the content, my original response and my initial response to you on postmodernism. I will not continue to engage any further on the issue. Have a splendid day!
Watching this show has educated so many queer youths (including myself who grew up in the 90s/00s) in the uk and I had no idea about any of our history. For a fictional series; there were so many educational moments that reinforce why we celebrate prides and continue to fight. As I say to those who ask “why do we need a pride” this is a prime example of “Look how far we’ve come and yet we still have a long way to go” 💛🏳️🌈
Pose was the best series portrayal of gay life. It looked at every aspect. Drag, hustlers and the most important thing, it shows us the struggle of the Gay community. It was GREAT to see Hector and Jose Xtravaganza during the ballroom scenes. May Hector rest in peace. He was A GREAT inspiration to all the children. And I had the pleasure of knowing him. Fly high my brother ❤
The show Pose 🏳️🌈I remember watching The first season of the first episode I haven’t finish the rest of the whole pose seasons but I just think it’s too short they just came out give it another two more seasons after this let’s dive into their goals and aspirations on the fourth season let’s dive in to what they actually would have done if they were to follow their dreams in the fifth and final season now they’re at a point in their lives now they’re trying to settle down and it doesn’t have to just be settling down in a relationship it could be settling down with self self-love self care I think they should at least give it some more seasons and let the fifth and final Be that season
A fairly good list. However, the pointed use of "Ballroom" as opposed to "Trans" culture, somewhat obscures deeper truths of the community. To my mind, use of Ballroom in the series only serves to provide upbeat eye-candy to what would otherwise be an endless presentation of an ever-embattled, severely misunderstood part of the human family. While it’s true that the entire gay community has been active in the still on-going fight for justice and their right to exist, when push comes to shove, the bulwark in all such activism was and remains the trans community which - often reviled by gay men in particular - has been traditionally marginalized and edged out of the limelight in lieu of a belief that non-gays will better relate to closeted and what most non-gays regard as 'non-flamboyant' gays. i.e.- Closet gays. Premier among these are, of course, trans people, closely followed and supported by drag queens and kings, so-called, 'out' and gays people regard as openly self-expressive. These were always the loudest and proudest defenders of the culture and, not quite ironically, the people most readily sacrificed with every effort to gain their rights as citizens due equal consideration on all fronts within the society. Today, most people have little idea that a considerable portion of the language and visual stylings they use to infer their individualism is, in fact, directly borne from the common language and extreme fashion consciousness used within trans communities both then and now. Since the early successes of social protests in America, the trans community, in particular, has lead the way in influence of near every aspect of popular culture that exists today.
When Electra read that random girl at the restaurant it was the best things ever 😭 it’s the reason I started watching the show because I saw the clip and loved it
And I’m looking at the dress wondering if I can make a crochet pattern to copy it....
My favorite moment on ALL seasons 🤣😭
Alan Dominiak, same here!
One of the top best clips ever! I had to rewind & watch it like 3x.
girl, same
They didn't get anything right or wrong. Pose isn't BASED on true stories. It's a drama series with INSPIRATIONS of true events/characters. Inspired & based are different.
you're not wrong, but before this, I would never have known that any of it happened in real life. I figured one or two things, such as act up protests and Hart Rock Island were real. But I didn't know about the Museum Heist or the Giant Condom.
@@Epodmusic17 Yea, I learned some things too. And I had heard about the condom thing when I was little but I didn't know the story... The dead body in the closet is true too.
Agreed, the facts are the facts but certain parts of the show are fiction for storyline. Also, I don't think they got it wrong with house names. Evangelista, Abundance, Ferocity, Wintour were all fictitious houses with ferocious members. If you know ballroom history you can tell Electra is based on Crystal n Pepper Labeija, Candy was based on Venus Xtavaganza, Angel was based on Octavia St Laurent and etc. the houses and characters didn't need to be factual they were all inspired by factual people but written as a work of fiction.
@@willahmena9149 Oh without a doubt Elektra portrays Crystal Labaija.
@@yrg9405 In truth, the character, Elektra, is rather a mere shadow of Chrystal Labeija.
If threatened, Crystal would beat a straight mans’ ass, a wannabe thug pimp or anybody else, in the middle of Broadway if it came to that.
This was true of a number of Queens back in the day. I know, I saw it happen more than once. After witnessing this the first time I vowed to NEVER get into an altercation of any kind with any of them. Contrary to commonly held beliefs, trans people tend to be ferocious fighters when they decide they have to fight.
Love Pose! As someone who was around the house/ball scene in NYC late 70s/early 80s I'd say they got it right as much as a fictional TV show can (because they actually got advice and guidance from people IN the scene!). There are moments where the actors look a little too clean, put together, with good skin and teeth... which just isn't always the reality for these kids. Many live(d) outside at least part of the time, and turned tricks on the piers and in cars on West Side Highway. Ya don't always step away from that with clean clothes, smooth skin, and a Colgate smile. But otherwise it's very accurate. I love that they portray the houses as they are - survival families, not just performance troupes!
In the new season, there seemed to be a shift in ball culture in 1994-95. Pray Tell mentioned that it wasn’t the same anymore, if you don’t mind me asking, would you say that was true?
Can you tell me more about ball culture etc. I'd rather learn from you than the media.
@@avant-garde2.028 Back in the late 70s/early 80s it was definitely very survival-oriented for many of the members of the houses. Pose was accurate in portraying that. However, many mothers and/or fathers of the houses could not afford to pay for large spacious places for their house and all of the bills and expenses for their children, so scraping by as best one can was a way of life for many and often all members were required to contribute what they could (even if that was a small amount, food stamps, etc). Pose also references the reality of "working the piers for coins". Later in the 90s the houses and balls began to really focus on HIV education and fundraising for community orgs in a way that connected them to a larger community in a different way than earlier.
Additionally, many of the outfits were either mopped or made at home. The majority of them were NOT like the extravagant looks in Pose or like you see on Drag Race.
@@PhoenixRoseYT For sure! Some of my friends got real good at sewing up some genie pants and such on a Saturday afternoon in the late 70s!
I think they got stuff wrong on purpose because tho its based on real things but fake people and the fake house names probably couldn't get permission to use real names on pose. My Fav thing? The Art Of The Read its freaking amazing
Right. This isn't a matter of getting it right and wrong. This is a fictional portrayal of the ball culture. If they want it true to life, they would've explicitly said it.
Even though their fishes when they read each other but I wouldn't mind getting rid of love know what you come up with
True. And also an Xtravaganza appeared on the 1st season
First thing that people overlook is that pose is based around real people but it is pretty accurate in the representation of what it was like to be gay (in my case) in the 80s abs 90s, anyone who was there lived it.
Exactly 🤦🏾♀️
The whole stealing for looks is true. I have accidently witnessed incidents of girls pulling out air-conditioner to crawl into a shop and steal gowns. It was so bad ...the police started showing up at pageants and balls looking for stolen gowns. Many a crown were
Out due to arrest!
It was called mopping. I lived through this dating both Angie Extravaganza and Venus Extravaganza
I love this show. When I was growing up, I too joined a house. The house of Royalty, where I learned to love myself for exactly who I was and am today. Education and plan was really big within our house
pose, is the only true to life depiction of trans-life, i've seen on television, with the brutality of the age. i was a teenager in the late 80's and came out in the mid 90's. it's a shame that season 3 is the end, and i hope it's a good ending too.
Oh have you seen It's A Sin? It's a brit show.
The ending disappointed me
@@avant-garde2.028 pray disappointed all of us but the ending was actually good
Thank you for paving the way for the rest of us, Jayne. I know you did it for you, not us, but every step you took made it easier for another trans person to follow in your footsteps. It can't have been easy coming out in the 90s, coming out as 'gay' as a teenager in 2000 was hard enough. I didn't have the courage to be truly authentic until 2016.
Clearly you don't watch the show as usual. Blanca got her drugs because she's friends with a doctor who gets the drugs from her rich client's after they die
Nurse, actually.
What the narrator is saying is that someone like Blanca wouldn't be do lucky to be friends with a lesbian nurse with the ability to get these drugs from generous wealthy AIDS patients in real life. It's not realistic; not that Blanca's character never got AZT, at all
@@OyayoTheStorm not to mention that the wealthy aids patients would have only had a month’s supply at any given time. Of those who died, not all of their leftover meds would be scooped up by that nurse. The pills she did get her hands on would be needed by numerous patients, it’s unlikely that much would be available to Blanca.
Very true,@@tjwash2. We have to understand that this is very fictional and written to give us a "Hollywood" dramatization of how the writers would like it to play it
Not to mention AZT often caused symptoms worse than AIDS itself and there was no conclusive evidence at the time it prolonged the life of the person taking it. So even if someone was lucky enough to get AZT, there’s no way to be sure it wouldn’t cause them to deteriorate faster because of debilitating side effects, let alone help them live any longer. It really was a game of Russian roulette.
I love this show and I am super sad that it's ending 😭😭😭
Whos excited for season 3 airing on may 4th
It’s airing tonight
Tonight! Yay! This is such a good show! If you haven't watched it, you should start from the beginning. Excellent acting and just so entertaining.
I'm not and I only say that because season 3 is it I am going to miss Pose to see this side of the community feels like a privilege
So excited but yet so sad that it's the final season 😥
Great show...it should be picked up for 4 more season s
The terminology for "collecting" the clothing for balls were called "Mopping" 😉
This show has been groundbreaking! Truly remarkable to see myself represented onscreen. These characters feel real, like people I know.. like I am being portrayed on camera. Thank you so much for bringing transvisibility to the mainstream.
I love that they only showed transexuals. Not married heterosexual transvestites! 🔥🔥
I love that they only showed transexuals. Not married heterosexual transvestites! 🔥🔥
0:40 Also, I don't think house names were ever named after models. Back then most house names tended to be named after fashion designers.
The part about AZT is not fully accurate in the context of the show. Blanca doesn’t have access to AZT until season 2, when she finds out that her illness has progressed to full blown AIDS. At that point, Nurse Judy told her about how richer patients that were at end stage would donate their meds to less fortunate and healthier people, which is how Blanca and Pray Tell were able to get on medication. It happens in the episode where Candy is murdered.
Speaking of which, I do wish the topic of the murders of trans women was discussed in the video, as it is very real, and sadly ongoing as of 2021. That, and the violence towards Trans women depicted in the episode Cocoon/Butterfly, where Electra has to dispose of that body, and they discuss why going to the police wasn’t an option. That was a very real occurrence that happened to Dorian Corey, whom was prominently featured in Paris is Burning. Otherwise, nice video.
Yep. I used to live in London (I've since moved to the Midlands), and there was a black transwoman from my old neighbourhood who was killed in her own home 🏡
MsMojo - while inspired by actual people and events, POSE is not a historical drama or documentary. It did not "get" anything wrong - as in Dragnet (no pun intended), the names and places were changed to protect the innocent.
This isn't a matter of getting it right and wrong. This is a fictional portrayal of the ball culture. If they want it true to life, they would've explicitly said it.
Not emotionally ready for the final season 🥺
Season two had me in tears almost every episode, so well done though.
I lost it at the end of the season 3
You guys left out the Dorian Corey murder, mummified body in the closet.
I was expecting mention of this, too. That's the first one that came to my mind.
Exactly!
Yup
No they didn't. Watch the episode about Elektra's trunk she got from her mom.
@@oldjaghead they meant in this video...
Hearing this woman itemize what is right and wrong about Pose in that announcer voice (clearly disconnected from the culture) is disturbing!
I agree 100 percent....but she had to say something to even have a topic to talk about..and yeah she made a pointless video...AND I WATCHED IT...but i so agree with i
Agree with u
Hard watching this after seeing the new episodes... RIP Cubby
House of Evangelista is a real house…
Thank you. I had to check and see if anyone else had said it...
Pose was a guilty pleasure of mine 💀 I can’t wait for the next season 😆
It airs on the fourth 😁
No need to feel guilty!
It airs tonight at 10 pm in the U.S. on FX. I don't know about other countries.
What's "guilty" about it?
@@sonicjrjr14 I watch it in secret, that what you do with guilty pleasures so that’s what I called it😅💀
True fact: I was arrested outside St. Pats that day. I was laying down in the middle of the street blocking traffic, along with hundreds of other protesters. It was one of the proudest moments of my life!
Thank you so much ❤
This video should have been titled FACT & FICTION. “Right & Wrong” gives a negative connotation…like the show may have done some things WRONG.
Do better MsMojo. Stop being purposefully misleading.
THANK YOU!!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽I was going to write this, then I found your comment.
right! pose is a tv show, not a documentary, it doesn't have to be 100% realistic and serious
@@nopesandwich still it’s interesting to know what’s real and not, I enjoy learning the differences. They do this for all shows based on real life
@@rainstorm571 - You don't make any sense. Fiction is fiction. It is crazy that so many people are still equating fiction as real. "Pose" isn't real. Another tv show "The Underground Railroad" isn't real.
well, if you can show it's not fiction or fact then it's wrong
I love Pose. Just finished watching it again and cried like a baby AGAIN when Pray died
Pose isn’t based on an actual true story. It based on the time period & possible events.
It airs tonight and I'm so sad this is the last season oh, I've never been sad about any other TV show ending
I don't care whether they did or not. I love this show so end of. Wish it didn't finished for good after season 3.
Elektra needs her own show!!!
Been rocking since season one ❤️
Ready to go out with a bang starting this Sunday at 10. A legendary show🙌🏾
I never Tire of that restaurant read...perfection...and SO satisfying! 🤣
I LOOK TOO GOOD NOT TO BE SEEN!
Yes ma'am, I feel that on a personal level.
POSE ENLIGHTENED PEOPLE TO THINGS MANY KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IN OUR SOCIETY. IT EDUCATED MANY.BRAVO!!
Pose is a great show to watch even my mom and grandma enjoys it
Right or wrong, one thing cannot be denied: "Pose" is and forever will be legendary!
Pose did use some real names I would know I grew up around ballroom culture and heard some of the names while watching the seasons also what I got from the museum seen back in the early days of ballroom all the way till about 2008 everyone couldn't sow or pay for materials so some people resorted to mopping and boosting out of stores to look good and snatch trophies did they boost out of the museum in real life idk but boosting for a category was real tea
There was no “right or wrong”, Pose purposefully revised certain events.
They consulted with REAL historians of ballroom, to develop this series.
They made things fictional on purpose, in order to possibly avoid lawsuits when representing people or entities, without their authorization.
You missed the mark on this Ms. Mojo.
This show isn’t a documentary, it’s a dramatization. It’s not supposed to be literal or 100% factual.
Pose got it ALL right.
Candy's death was very similar to what really happened to Venus Extravaganza. Venus was also not heard from or seen for days until somebody found her in a motel room dead. She had been dead at least 4 days before somebody found her, a her case is still cold. 😔
I wish people knew that stealth was about survival and not to “trick” anyone. My heart will forever be broken over her.
Keep in mind Pose is a fictional series, it was never set out to be accurate to the T. Instead it uses real houses, people, and events as inspirations for the show. The video title should be renamed to fact & inspiration.
I didn't know Hector Extravaganza consulted. That's amazing. Bless him forever. 😊❤
Y’all forgot the body that Electra is true it’s based on Dorian Corey
3:56 that one *unforgettable* clip that introduced me to a superb series
I for one am going to miss Pose and I want to thank those who helped with it for allowing us into your world, and I am so sorry that your brothers and sisters are hated for being different, and that aides shook the community so violently with so much death, I respect transgender and gays I always have because my cousin is gay and his father doesn't have much to do with him which is a shame, you deserve to be loved for who you are and wish we could have seen so much more if the ballroom culture still existed in NYC I would try and see it I think
Amazing show. Love the dance scenes.
Im very surprised I didnt see anything about Elektra hiding a body mummified in her own closet. That was also a true event that occurred with the one and only Dorian Corey. Although the times are different, the the time that the body was mummified for was drastically different, I thought it would be something that would be said.
There’s one factual story that was a storyline one the show that wasn’t in the countdown; the cocooned body in the trunk in the closet
One of the best mojo videos of all time. Such great research work and presentation of the facts. 👍
One of my favorite shows.
What's it's called?
The museum heist is true...
Yes. Rumour has it the Xtravaganzas did it.
The majority of things impose really did happen such as the museum heist the dead body in the trunk. They just changed a lot of the stories for I guess good TV but I was there for most of these ballroom moments
I loved Pose. As it has come to an end I already miss it. I appreciate the storylines that were based on true events: Venus Estravaganza's murder & Candy's murder. The mummified body in Electra's closet. I wish there was more focus on each element of vogue and vast categories of the ballroom.
Isnt Hector Xtravaganza part of the judges panel in season 1?
Yes
Yes.
Pose is like the Black and Latin Angels in America. But I recommend people to watch pair is burning documentary before beng watching pose, so that you can put the pieces together on whom the pose characters are based on and where the storyline goes to.
This show was a breathe of fresh air. Sad to see it gone!!
Also house of Evangalista (hope I spelt it right) was an actual house. Check out House of Escadas history and how they were started...
You betta say that! 🙌🏾
Tho the main houses where fake they do mention some real houses that where around at the time , House of pendarvis- real
When electra had the guys body in her closet- a real sort of urban legend that was inspired by the life of dorian corey
They missed the part where Elektra had that trick die and dr orlando put him in a suitcase and it was stashed in a closet. There was a story of a drag queen who died and when they were cleaning out her belongings they opened her closet which smelled and opened up a suitcase to find a corpse. It was assumed it was either a fan or trick gone bad.
You should re-do this video ASAP! It's a CHOP for me.
The soundtrack was incredible too!
Best show I’ve ever watched!
In other words, they got it pretty much all right. Which is what i would have expected. No, it's not technically a documentary in that the actual people are fictional, but the whole point of the series was to show what that world was like, so of course it matters whether they got it right or wrong.
I love this show so much 😀
Live! Werk! Pose!
I’m so sad it’s ending
Feels weird to have a white woman educating us on what’s wrong about pose 👀
Elektra is everything🥰🥰🥰🥰sad to see the show go
I need more of this show like 6 more seasons. I love the love etc❤
I SUPER LOVE THIS SHOW OH MY GOSH
How could you miss the dead body in the trunk from Paris is burning with the murder cover up from pose ?!? Should’ve been number one
I love everything about the show
Madonna didn't create the voguing, but she was the only person back then who really was supporting the comunity, she let the people see another point of view of gay people, she gave her voice to the comunity to express, she help our comunity to be more accepted in the society.
Thank u madonna ❤️
Pose dont leave 🥺🥺🥺😢😢
I wish people dressed as clean as this still. Fashion, personal hygene, self care, structure, etc have all gone to trash after the 90s. It is like you have to pass out gold stars now just for people to comb their hair, and brush their teeth.
It's the sagging pants, bonnets, pajamas, and slippers out in public for me...and if your outside in pajamas at the airport or walmart. Does this also mean they haven't showered???
When RuPaul introduces the reading mini-challege on RuPaul's Drag Race, he always refers to Do scene in Paris Is Burning.
If people like Pose, they really need to watch Paris Is Burning.
1:55 no clue how to do THAT myself, but I LOVE that!
XD
2:55 they were actually arrested?!
IN STYLE! No fear, no shame!
Um my cousin was in the house of pendavis were used on the show, who was close with Hector extravaganza. He was also a consultant on this show.
As far as the house names, I think most of the main house names (Extravaganza and Lebaja) are patented, so the show probably came up with fictional house names. Is it necessarily wrong? I don't think so, just a thought.
Great content
Maybe "right" and "wrong" aren't exactly accurate, but I took it to mean "fact" or "fiction", which I love knowing about tv shows and movies. I wasn't bothered. So I appreciated this video, as it's definitely exciting to feel transported back in time. (Been watching "Black Monday" and that's another show that's fun to compare with real life culture and events of the 1980s.)
And yes, if the information (in this video) came from other sources, then of course cite them. But I now am inspired to watch the series "Pose". So this video was effective.
And I appreciate all the folks who were there way-back-when chiming in in the comments.
I didn't know that reading and voguing had been around so long; I feel foolish for thinking that Madonna invented Voguing. 🤦🏽♀️
Agree. I also interpreted 'right' and 'wrong' more as 'fact' or 'fiction'. I don't think Ms Mojo's intent was necessarily to teach or inform but to compare the 'Hollywood' version to the actual event(s) to see if the scenes depicted adhered to (ie 'right') or deviated from (ie 'wrong') historical facts...(eg. 'Once Upon a Time in Hollywood ' vs Tate murders).
Sorry you had to find out about vouging and Madonna that way tho 😢 🤣🤣
I'm bowled over by the fact that ,that stuff actually happened
4:33 they did steal. Freddie Pendavis said it in the film.
Theft of a museum would land you at LEAST 10 years
Well, in the mid-late 1980s, AZT may have been acquired by working in a Buyer's Club as well as getting AZT from recently deceased victims of AIDS.
0:19 SHADE 100
Gotta watch this series!
XD
I thought about the ball culture whenever Julia Sugarbaker went into one of her "patented" annihilations on "Designing Women." A mention in the credits would have been nice. lol
Elektra was POSE. She made the series exciting and a must watch to see what Elektra would do and say next.
I love when white women critique, narrate and “correct “ the creativity and vision of people of colour. Please continue to tell us what we got “right” and “wrong” It’s sooo illuminating...said no queer creative of colour with vision. Trying to school us on a subject we originated and perfected...girl please.
Totally agree
I took this video as a way to teach people who aren’t familiar with ball culture what is true and what isn’t in the show “Pose.” It’s not a critique of the people who created it for being right or wrong, but a way to educate the uninitiated (read straight, white, cis people) on the actual truth of what happened during this era. Anyone who knows anything about ball culture or was alive in the 80s/90s knows the T, right?
@@nailartguy3363 that’s the great thing about postmodernism we can both watch something and come away with varying perspectives on the topic and or subject matter. I stand by my observations and thanks for sharing yours.
@@Judges4MWarriorWoman Absolutely! I never tried to imply your feelings upon watching this video aren’t valid. I only wanted to provide a differing perspective in reference to the intended purpose of the video. The only issues that were deemed “wrong” were the usage of House names, AZT availability, and the “death-in” protests. 7/10 were a celebration of what was “right.” The video simply points out inaccurate aspects of “Pose” but in a very limited scope; the criticisms are not of creativity, but rather the veracity of specific issues that might be interpreted as fact. Letting the uninformed know the truth that “Evangelista” and “Abundance” were not real House names doesn’t detract from the show’s creative brilliance. Accurately depicting the situation regarding AZT in the late 80s and further explaining what happened during ACT UP protests aren’t an affront to POC creativity. Anytime you present the ignorant with truth it is definitely a good thing, in my opinion. It’s not always a revisionist, culturally insensitive critique worthy of derision. Especially considering Miss Mojo has a plethora of videos of this nature illuminating the inaccuracies of all types of content created by all types of people.
@@nailartguy3363 You mean my thoughts on the issue?, I provided a perspective not a feeling on the issue. As well, there’s no need to clarify or attempt to explain my views on the video. To further reiterate: post modernism allows us to engage and re-engage with content or pop culture material from a variety of perspectives. I don’t expect us to view things with the same lens, and I really do not need your validation as it pertains to my criticisms on this content, but since you offered it, again, thank-you. Please refer to the title of the video “Top 10 Thongs Pose Got Factually Right and Wrong” the content, my original response and my initial response to you on postmodernism. I will not continue to engage any further on the issue. Have a splendid day!
❤❤😍whatever, I just love the series
Watching this show has educated so many queer youths (including myself who grew up in the 90s/00s) in the uk and I had no idea about any of our history. For a fictional series; there were so many educational moments that reinforce why we celebrate prides and continue to fight. As I say to those who ask “why do we need a pride” this is a prime example of “Look how far we’ve come and yet we still have a long way to go” 💛🏳️🌈
Love this show!
Pose was the best series portrayal of gay life. It looked at every aspect. Drag, hustlers and the most important thing, it shows us the struggle of the Gay community. It was GREAT to see Hector and Jose Xtravaganza during the ballroom scenes. May Hector rest in peace. He was A GREAT inspiration to all the children. And I had the pleasure of knowing him. Fly high my brother ❤
Hart Island, whoa. I never knew any of that and it breaks my heart.
The show Pose 🏳️🌈I remember watching The first season of the first episode I haven’t finish the rest of the whole pose seasons but I just think it’s too short they just came out give it another two more seasons after this let’s dive into their goals and aspirations on the fourth season let’s dive in to what they actually would have done if they were to follow their dreams in the fifth and final season now they’re at a point in their lives now they’re trying to settle down and it doesn’t have to just be settling down in a relationship it could be settling down with self self-love self care I think they should at least give it some more seasons and let the fifth and final Be that season
“A giant protective layer” ~~~ A condom…it’s a condom 😑🙄
This narrative COMPLETELY misses the mark 😅😅😅
Love this show
I have the privilege of knowing people that where apart of the scene ( and me some still are. Majority are not here for Pose and I understand why.
Pose is one of the best tv shows ever made.
A fairly good list. However, the pointed use of "Ballroom" as opposed to "Trans" culture, somewhat obscures deeper truths of the community. To my mind, use of Ballroom in the series only serves to provide upbeat eye-candy to what would otherwise be an endless presentation of an ever-embattled, severely misunderstood part of the human family.
While it’s true that the entire gay community has been active in the still on-going fight for justice and their right to exist, when push comes to shove, the bulwark in all such activism was and remains the trans community which - often reviled by gay men in particular - has been traditionally marginalized and edged out of the limelight in lieu of a belief that non-gays will better relate to closeted and what most non-gays regard as 'non-flamboyant' gays. i.e.- Closet gays.
Premier among these are, of course, trans people, closely followed and supported by drag queens and kings, so-called, 'out' and gays people regard as openly self-expressive.
These were always the loudest and proudest defenders of the culture and, not quite ironically, the people most readily sacrificed with every effort to gain their rights as citizens due equal consideration on all fronts within the society.
Today, most people have little idea that a considerable portion of the language and visual stylings they use to infer their individualism is, in fact, directly borne from the common language and extreme fashion consciousness used within trans communities both then and now.
Since the early successes of social protests in America, the trans community, in particular, has lead the way in influence of near every aspect of popular culture that exists today.
Thanks for this
There is a House of Evangelista in New York
There had to be events in order to make a movie. Ms MOJO needs to do research pre-paris is burning