Derrick Jensen | Endgame | The Problem of Civilization + What is it Like to be a River?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ย. 2024
- HART HAGAN: My guest is Derrick Jensen, Writer and Environmental Activist, author of over two dozen books, including:
Endgame: The Problem of Civilization
As The World Burns: 50 Things You Can Do To Stay in Denial
A Language Older Than Words
The Culture of Make-Believe and
Bright Green Lies, which Derrick co-authored with Lierre Keith and Max Wilbert.
I have been reading Derrick's books for years; his writing has profoundly changed my life.
In thousands of ways we have have come to understand that the biosphere is an interwoven "symphony" of complex symbiotic relationships that have evolved over a span of 4 billion years. It is truly one of those things that is bigger than the sum of its parts. We are surrounded by and immersed in "magic" but fail to recognize it for what it is.
Amen ✨
A forest with the soil mycelial layer still alive and intact not only resembles but, has been studied and proven to be a functioning neural network and circulatory system. The mycelium delivers water and nutrients where they’re needed, even miles from where they started. Even more astonishing, it communicates with the trees by telling them what kind of animal is approaching so they know whether to exude an attractant, for a deer or goat that will tend to it’s needs by chewing the lichen and moss from it’s bark and leaving food behind or, a deterrent to repel an animal like a boar that may cause harm by rooting and uncovering it’s roots.
If you consider that the Earth was once covered with forests- covered with a functioning neural network.. well for me it begs the question; Is the Earth itself a sentient life form. A complex, self aware body of water/carbon based living tissue surrounding a mineral exoskeleton.
If she is alive and aware.. we’ve already wiped out near 80% of the Earth’s forests..
We’re cutting out her brain one neural pathway at a time.
And…
We’ve also learned that the Cedars are definitely sentient. All trees may be, we’ve just yet to study them closely enough to know with certainty. But we have learned that they all communicate, all have a familial structure. That all young trees in a forest have mothers, proximate older mature trees that tend to their water and nutrient needs well into maturity, that tend to their own children first by prioritizing their children’s needs before tending to the rest. And if the mother dies or gets cut down the children’s life expectancy plummets.
Calls our logging practices into question to say the least. We only cut down the older mature trees. So we’re quite literally murdering mothers and leaving their orphans to fend for themselves.
this is why i’m sad, we’re surrounded by such beauty and we’re throwing it away for vain ugliness
Yes, minus the ‘we’. Many people do notice, perhaps most. But they’re trapped in a dystopian cage called the market.
Language Older Than Words changed me . Thank you for your work Derrick .
Thanks for presenting this excellent talk and allowing Derrick the space to expand and connect his thoughts.
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Brilliant. Truly provocative..
Great guest. Great host. Much appreciated.
45:50 It is common misconception. We attached ourselves to those systems for one simple reason - to not die of starvation, and couple secondaries - to be able to survive in intertribal competition for resources, to have protection, much later(mid 20th century) - to not die in infancy, have education, status and so on. This system can't exist without slavery, it is a fact, like tigers are eating their prey while it's still alive. I think to survive in a long run we need to make super optimized society. And without killing off 7 billion people and go hunting and gathering it should be society with perfect logistics(in a wide sense) controlled with neural networks and strict time management. Such society would be cruel, but hopefully without outright slavery and everyone will be fed and employed.
Employment is slavery. You cannot make a market out of humans without domination.
Technical term for the natural course of a river: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meander
Appreciate that, I thought it only meant to wonder aimlessly or something.
God. Mammon. What most of us choose is pretty clear.
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29:00 I don't understand the argument. Wild fish is better suited than impaired tank fish. How they gonna compete, human grown fish is just free food for pike fish or some other animal.
Overall it seems with industrial complex, ecosystem is changing to account for it. Now it depends on how well technology can play it's part in orchestra. If we can't, opera will starve to death until it again play well to sell enough tickets. I think it is possible, maybe humans will just become some kind of nutrient hub.
I thought you guys were younger, like 50. You must eat lots of salmon.
It is pretty expensive food...
I can agree with Derrick's ideas in some way, but he has very (post)modern view of wilderness. His posh lifestyle is supported by huge system, people who live in forest for real are surviving. I don't want to write an essay on how much this pure forest land costs and why everyone just not buying it and keep living in the city, I'm sure with little thinking it is possible even for owners of "couple acres of wilderness". What I'm saying is, Derrick's proposal serve nothing but a hobby for certain demographic group to make them feel better about themselves. Problem is - their food, their small eco hobby, protests etc. are still bankrolled by industrial complex and slave labour. Like, good luck growing anything without fertilizer. Do you know where it comes from?) Do you know why most of the history people burned forests?)
Derrick talk a lot about stupidity of understanding economy but not seeing same dependencies in ecosystem. Unfortunately he himself makes same mistake, those ideas while good natured are based on false premises and idealistic views of postmodern layman living in mental technobubble. But such ideas are rewarded financially, which is how, at least in part, philosophy and science is channeled in certain direction.
Quite missing the point, it is possible to survive in the forrest, maybe to arrange things over time such that maintaining it is less than the dead weight that industrial society imposes, until that is you get sick or injured.
In Derrik's defense, I can say the same about the US. You might be able to eek out a comfortable living as working class, but as soon as you are sick or injured, you will be taken for every red cent by a for-profit medical system. The US state is such that the more powerful a person is, the more advantages they are given, while the more vulrnable the person, the more is taken from them.
However for many countries, the state, imperfect it may be looks after people better than they could do alone or in small groups.
@@liam3284 It is very easy to get injured living in wilderness. life is short and dangerous. I too think the way we live today is super unsustaunable, but I dont think any amount of activism can fix it. Activism is very important as a countermeasure but it require society to feed one more class of people. Like "green energy", it is ouroboros of a system.