I know we give cross shit for not really being a titan main but sticking it out on titan when every other person switched to hunter for op dps, gotta give props!
most teams switched to hunter because the witness is literally a boss made for golden gun if the witness was like rhulk there would be way more titan completions
As a titan main, going to play warlock on prismatic makes me feel invincible. Prismatic titans (and all titans in general aside from strand and solar) need BIG changes to be viable in high level content.
@thiagoarxalmeida606 I love my warlock brothers, and warlock is super fun to play. It's just crazy that knockout giving full health on a melee kill was "too much" while warlocks have devour (full heal and grenade energy from ANY kill) able to be procc'd off ANY ability kill
@@dylanmiller1140Bro it is bad r u serious? You can play skilled with prismatic however much u want, at the end of the day it's still going to boil down to chipping at enemies from range even though that's literally what they don't want u to do. Don't believe me, try prismatic on GM next month. The only classes that let u do more than this are solar/strand.
Sholder charge was the titan fantasy - Nerfed Bonk hammer was the titan fantasy - Nerfed Loreley Splendor was the titan fantasy - Nerfed Banner of war was the titan fantasy - Nerfed Dunemarchers was the titan fantasy - Nerfed Syntho was the titan fantasy - Nerfed Ward of Dawn was the titan fantasy - Nerfed Being tanky was the titan fantasy - Nerfed Hell even Stasis on titan was better last season Being a Titan FEELS BAD and the numbers agree
My brother you speak so much truth. I literally just want a 1 and done super that doesn't put my Titan in bad position (t-crash) and can be used when the boss is anywhere, not just on the floor and standing still (pyrogale) 😢😢😢😢😢
@@YelhsaBotif you use either twilight arsenal or glacial quake with star eaters it does some mean damage. Idk if it's super strong defensively but it will melt some bosses.
Sucks that titan literally only has 1 build. Consecration with knockout. Other classes have multiple builds but titans were capped at an alt solar build...
They gave us like the worst aspects except for knockout consecration like diamond lance which has 0 synergy with other aspect and all unbreakable does is replace your ability
Drengr's Lash is pretty good and I have been using Diamond Lance just to try, and it's ok, but definitely the best option from Stasis (No joke on this btw). Unbreakable is more of a PvP perk anyway.
Radiant makes the exotic meh. I love the rockets, but it’s not an endgame exotic for damage or buffs when compared to Synthos or exotics buffing other supers, imho
If Prismatic Titan ever gets any new Aspects it needs Controlled Demolition to boost its survival. They could do with having "Controlled Demolition" and change it like how they did with a few aspects. "Abilities apply Volatile to enemies Elemental Explosions HEAL you and Nearby Allies" Explosions are counted as Volatile, Ignition, Jolt, Shatter and Suspend which heals you and Nearby Allies. This means the Volatile from ALL Abilities, Diamond Lance, Concecration, Drengrs Lash, Volt Shot, Thunder Clap, Shackle Grenade, Glacier Grenade etc can All Heal the Titan pretty easily. ESPECIALLY Glacier Grenades and Hoarfrost-Z. This would give Prismatic Titan a lot of Survivability options and more importantly it actually Pairs well with EVERY other Aspect and a lot of the abilities AND class items.
LMFAO. Bro is trying to bring back old HOIL void titan, the most broken build to ever grace this game because controlled demolition is arguably the most broken aspect. I respect it. I want that build to resurface.
@@Klodhvig you don’t know, do you? You don’t know the power of strolling through a GM like glass way in a 3 man void HOIL party as if it was a normal strike. Controlled demolition’s healing works on allies on top of yourself. That means every ally who is close gets free healing that scales exponentially with teammates. The amount of healing that it gave completely broke the game, and it’s virtually impossible to ruin each other’s gameplay loop. We finished the GM several times at -40 power in 20 minutes casually, with each encounter averaging at least 7 barricades that the enemy had to shoot through. 2/3 players in that party weren’t even PVE players at the time, and I was one of those two. Yes, I was an avid enjoyer of storm nades on arc titan, but when I was shown the power of void titan with HOIL, I realized that arc titan was nothing compared to it for ad clear. Yes, arc titan had the better DPS by a ton, but that really only matters in raids. The survivability scaling exponentially with teammates on top of infinite volatile explosions made ad clear literally free. Normally, builds require kills or getting hits to get abilities back. This means teammates can screw you over easily, even if not intentionally. This build did not suffer that issue. Arc titan didn’t either, but it was limited heavily by its survive-ability. Yes, HOIL arc grenades were strong, but void was stronger for everything that wasn’t DPS phase.
@@Klodhvig nah, Void HoIL was far superior to Arc HoIL during its time. The ad clear of storm grenades was fine and all but the volatile chaining can more or less rival that, while having the best survivability in the game with.
@zacharyhsieh9358 arc titan didn't need any healing, even in GMs, prenerf storm grenades just did all the work by themselves. People were easily soloing GMs with arc titan back then, literally a one man army
Hey Cross, was wondering if you plan on making a video about the state of titans in endgame content? As one of THE titans of the community, I'd love to see you bring some more attention to just how terrible titans are in the endgame right now (except BoW).
Until Bungie stops thinking that Titan = punch and there is no other class identity besides that (spoilers: Titans aren't all like that in-lore) Titans will suffer from the same issues.
Good as this is, I really hope Bungie puts some focused buffs and reworks on Titan, especially on Prismatic Its really just undercooked as a subclass. Not especially tanky. Its not the best melee subclass. Its not the best support subclass. Its not the best damage subclass. . It just underperforms and lacks a lot of synergy that Hunter and Warlock have. Don't get me wrong, I love playing Warlock and Hunter too, I'm a greedy little Omni-Guardian, but I want Titan to be as good and as interesting and as flexible
Bro Prismatic Titan is OP and has super strong survival. We have knockout and consecration. Idk where this narrative of Titans being weak is coming from. I’ve never felt more powerful than ever and we have Banner of War for godsake 😂
Don’t sleep on Diamond Lance with Cadmus Ridge Lancecap. Part of Lancecap is bugged on the part of Lances shattering crystals as of me typing this tho.
I hate to say it, but my biggest annoyance with prismatic is that, if I wanted to play the best punchy build in the game, I'd be playing Prismatic Hunter, despite the fact that titan is meant to be the punchy class. Heres the thing about prismatic that is true about some of the other exotic class items and this: this is just strictly worse than what Hunters get. In this case, the hunter version is Caliban+Synthos/Liars. Severance is a generic explosion that only works on consumed abilities, but Caliban is an ignition that can be modified by facet of ruin and it procs on uncharged melee while you have combination blow stacks. Another example of this is Spirit of Eternal Warrior versus Spirit of Foetracer: eternal warrior gives 30 seconds of surge for one damage type when your super is over, but foetracer gives 10 seconds for each ability type used just off of hits with an ability. It's clear one is just strictly better than the other.
Yeah the severance nerf they did last month was a kick in the teeth. It wasn’t busted and hunters can do it with their kit. But apparently titans are banned from using roaring flames.
“I’d argue this is just as good as the hunter build.” The hunter build shows +2000% melee damage with infinite ability loop not needing transcendence, while titan needs transcendence, still doesn’t have an infinite ability loop with it, has less survivability, less CC, and on top of all of this a whopping +56% damage on consecration with this build. Some of the hardest cope I’ve ever heard.
yeah but his argument was about the range. Sure hunter can get 2000 plus melee damage in an infinte ability loop however the vast majority of that damage is against a singular target with Calibans only doing some ignition. Compared to this build which can chunk rooms full of enemies in a single use, hell even half a melee charge using just the up swing of consecration. It can still put out chunky damage. I believe the hunter melee was hitting for 187,000 with counter punch where in this video Cross managed about 100,000+ on single target. Given that it can delete rooms full with one button press I would argue its up theire with liars caliban.
@@kommanderkermit4874 and when the stars line up just right and you have a ton of soft adds near a boss thats not damage immune you are going to do insane damage from each of those adds dyeing from the consecration triggering explosions and lightning strikes.
Kinda hit the peak of my frustrations with the Titan class. I’ve just straight up dropped it. Titan isn’t as fun as Warlock or Hunter, and it’s also not as good as them either. Titans just feel left out and forgotten about, and that’s pretty apparent with the graph. So, Bungie kind of won. After a period of testing whether or not Titan would be at all worth continuing to play, I’ve finally got my answer.
Same I dropped Titan after playing it since rise of iron, there’s just no versatility in an endgame setting. I have much more options on Warlock and Hunter.
That class population graph gave me a flashback to year 1 of destiny when there was about 4-5 titans in existence. Became my main because bubble was so important and no one wanted to play titan
What are you talking about? It was hunters that were useless in pretty much all of year d1 pve. It even became a meme that hunters were only useful for going invisible and reviving teammates in prison of elders. Bubble titans carried all of year 1
@@Klodhvig i personally didnt see a lot of titans until the dark below, i picked hunter first on launch then i saw nothing but hunters running around and switched
You two just literally mentioned the two only possible titan combos in the game I hope y’all don’t get tired of those cause that’s basically it as far as prismatic titans go 😭
@@kingkunta3753no hate by what’s the point in even running that when you could just use the same thing but have an infinitely better aspect like BoW or into the fray on strand
@@yaboibigsmoke2733Because in higher level content banner of war play still is a bit risky. You have to proc banner of war and keep it up for survivability which sometimes doesn't work when adds are mowing you down. What prismatic brings to the table is stability. With stoic and spirit of contact your charged melee does jolts which helps with add clear. Consecration is a easy win however shield throw with AOE damage and over shields is a great pairing. Lance cap with consecration is a great pairing, the new aspect shield into knock out and thunder clap does insane damage with the spirit of contact. Also we have weapons to enhanced these things. Khovostol and monte carlo synergies with titans a lot. Khovostol and the ability to add clear and create orbs Monte Carlo for obvious reasons. I have soooo many builds revolving titan that it's crazy when I see people think titans lack something. We're here just need to be creative other than just thinking banner of war titan is life.
I mean I wouldn't even consider this as "making a Titan build" it's just concentration with some jolt. Half the video he's fighting to get kills with Monte Carlo to get his melee back while his teammates clear all the ads he's waiting to concentrate
@@rustyrolla5432 its called bungie is petrified of the almighty titans. they tried to nerf banner and one two punch and failed miserably. we will violate the devs with our overpoweredness.
THANK YOU!! this is the first major youtuber that ive seen that said this specific combo is bad ass! I have a hoil/syntho class item, and it does fine. But my severance/contact i think does a better job!!
Destiny community: from across the first 50 teams, only 3 players were titans! Bungie please do something Bungie: we hear you loud and clear, next week we'll be deleting titans from the game
“We will also be deleting all accounts of those who have more than 10 hours of Titan playtime, as punishment. Per our data, this will not affect the player base in any significant way. Also, Luke Smith will personally send you a picture of his latest dinosaur size shit.”
Cross started this video out with that infographic because he knows he is THE Titan main. As a Titan from D1 until Stasis, I can respect the sheer devotion.
Fellow Titan mains. Do not fret about being left out in this expansion. If we’ve learned anything over the years it’s that titans will always be the pinnacle of kicking ass on the battlefield. Get those exotic class item combos rolling. There’s hope for us yet ladies and gentleman. I promise. Never give up never surrender. Titans ARE THE BATTLEFIELD!
When I saw the perk lisy for the class item, this was the exact roll I knew I'd want. I've been looking for a vid showcasing this perk combo and was so happy to see you upload it.
Unfortunately the knockout punches don't work with spirit of the assassin either, I wish we had some consistency on what does or doesn't work, it feels like it should. Was so excited then so dissapointed when I started using assassin + syntho
I agree on consistency because I thought Combination Blow was also supposed to get the change Knockout did but I’m making orbs with Heavy Handed with it still even when using the uncharged melee.
I am an arc hunter main and I am here to tell you combination blow is the uncontested best melee ability in the game. It absolutely needs that functionality youre talking about removed, and plenty of other changes to tone it down. Its insane that it has been left alone this long.
@@Vixenlive22 if thats the route bungie wants to go thats fine, but look at the other arc hunter melee for context. Its called “disorienting blow” which people may not know because nobody ever talks about it, or makes builds on it, or uses it. If combo blow is gonna get this “free” melee proc functionality, then bungie better be buffing the tits out of disorienting blow because it is in shambles by comparison. Also, knockout is an aspect so i could at least see that being ok for it to get this free proccing, but letting combination blow have that function as just a basic melee option with no other investment is outrageous haha This is more of a “combination blow is way op” than a “leave knockout nerfed” comment haha
I get what you're saying cross but you can't tell me with a straight face that this is just as good as hunters ITS NOT we got screwed hunters can clear rooms and do crazy one two punch DPS with slows and weakens and go invisible it's crazy Titans can make a small explosion and a jolt effect it's nowhere near the same power level
Still wish they would’ve given titans the exotic perk that refreshes melee charge on melee kill (the arc one I forget the name of) as a way to try and give “the melee class” as many melees as Hunter has
@@kidbu916and all Hunter has to do is dodge. The problem with Prismatic Titan is getting your melee back when you don't have any, with a class so focused on melee abilities they did a terrible job of giving us the ability to get it back quickly. With a 2 1/2 minute cool down because frenzy blade need to be so long for no reason
I agree. Hunters should not be the punchy boi, that should be titans domain. Hunters should have utility melees. And also be able to stab with uncharged melees on all subclasses, but thats a different discussion. I say this as an arc hunter main, and i refuse to use combination blow because it doesnt fit the identity of hunter.
The thing is-- when we hit GM content and overall harder content than we have seen thusfar, these melee builds fall apart because you literally cannot afford to get as close as you need to be to make sure the build functions properly. For casual content even through some legendary content, sure. But anyone with aspirations higher than that, this just will not work eventually.
I prefer spirit of contact and spirit of innermost light. That's because your melee damage gets supercharged by your other abilities and you can melee more often. The loss of the explosion is only minor as you already AOE clear with spirit of contact so doubling up makes no difference. This roll has both add clear and increased damage for major killing.
Sorry brother, this isn't a versatile build at all. Not everyone wants to use Montecarlo in their build, so this is gonna lack a lot of melee uptime. Knockout is not a good reliable source of healing and this build would've been 1000% times better if it could work with normal powered knockout melees.
I agree with everything except "Knockout is not a reliable source of healing." I've been surrounded by adds and I just started punching to stay alive. You'd be surprised how effective it is. Anything short of a yellow bar and you'll be fine
THE BUILD YOU WANT is SEVERANCE AND Synthoceps these are rookie numbers compared to what that does I don’t have the artifact mod at the end but each slam was doing 250k and each regular strand melee was at 100k with knockout active I have screenshots 😊
@@clashclips1330 you are right, i want to spend 4 hours looking for people that most of the time use 2 primaries and have 28 res, in the chance i get a good player...fun. no let us solo it like all other content in the game (excluding raids)
As a Titan main…I must say…BORN TO BUBBLE FORCED TO STRAND!!!! Everybody is talking about how broken Strand Titan is while ignoring the fact that it’s the only viable subclass for Titans in endgame PvE (solar Titan is viable too but overshadowed by strand).
I'm glad to see Cross's viewers sharing concern about the state of Titans these days. I just so only hope that Bungie sees it with the same level of concern the community is starting to see it in
Imma keep it real with you Cross, prismatic Titan feels alot like subclass 2.0. Very little if any abilities feeding into one another, nothing that takes advantage of subclass verbs interacting, and sending a bunch of non-syngergetic things then waiting for cooldowns.
To be fair there were alot of Titans in the raid. Just that the Witness fight heavily favoured Hunters (Still Hunt Celestial will probably catch a nerf). Both Datto and Salt were Titans but were made to switch off to Hunter for the final boss
just got the class item with this combo, when I read it I knew it was going to be a banger. Guess I'll have to watch everything. No DIM links whatsoever LOL
I know this seems kinda meh, but i want to try and get a spirit of Galanor / Spirit of the star eater, if i can it that, i'll be happy.... wish that the exotic could of had all the legendary and exotic styles tho
I have immost light and contact. It is just so good. Clearing rooms with a single melee and even doing good damage to bosses. Spamming it during transendance is just a second super
Was super lucky and got this on my first run of the mission. Thought it would be meh, until I realized how liberal it was in applying the jolt and lightning. EVERYTHING GETS IT like he said, so its like a thundercrash in its explosion.
MY MAN! I have been farming for this since yesterday. Hard when your a solo player. So far I have 3 total. Hoarfrost-horn, bear-synthoceps, and abeyant-syntboceps. Gotta test the bear synthoceps out but over all ok rolls.
I feel like spirit of eternal warrior and spirit of scars would be a really good gunplay build. Pair it with the facet for volatile/unravel rounds, a good void or strand gun
Another combination that really slaps is the spirit of the eternal warrior and the spirit of the star eater. Cast your super (which does more damage) and then have a 4x surge bonus damage for like 30 seconds . It melts the witness (especially since everyone knows they are going to nerf still hunt)
I’m so glad titans finally have a ranged damaged super. AFTER TEN. FUCKING. YEARS. (Note: Thundercrash does not count as it is literally coded as a melee that can proc Skullfort, and pyrogales is an exotic that can’t hit most flying enemies in the game.)
One thing is for certain, Titan needs to see all ‘slide to melee’ aspects added to prismatic. Those new Titan gauntlets would go crazy if we could actually use them with its associated aspect on prissy
As a new Titan main in final shape I have gotten 47 marks to finally get a single one with star eater but I got a severance contact around 20-25 marks lol
I had a bunch of fun with a Peregrine build during the legend campaign. It worked really well since you could freeze with a diamond lance then follow with the instant kill.
Personally going after this roll, and one with HOIL instead of Severance so that I can consecration slam more often. Because I found that using a glacier grenade and then slamming into it does a lot of damage from the shatter and ignition, And I have a roll with HOIL and Synthoceps currently that I’ve been having fun with. But I found out as I’m in the air with consecration my melee recharges faster thanks to HOIL. So I literally only use half a charge to no charge at all for consecration.
I decided to swap out knockout for Lash, because with it, I can be more aggrieved up close as well to charge both meters wayyyy faster than with knockout. I am using Inmost + contact
Hallowfire heart with the frenzied blade consecration is pretty good. As long as ur throwing hammer super is charged, ur melee cooldown goes to about 16 sec.
These exotic class items are kind of hit and miss for me. The power to exotic traits provided is awesome, but having to farm and get lucky with rng is not. Instead once you unlocked the class item, you should've had to farm for the traits or maybe specific objectives to unlock each trait. This way everyone could eventually have one class item with all 16 traits instead of needing to get lucky and wasting vault space.
I'm realizing now that Final Shape reused a LOT of stuff. Reusing assets for the pale heart, reusing subclasses for prismatic, reusing exotics for these class items. The thing is, it makes sense with the story and the gameplay loop and it's GENUINELY WELL DONE
Literally the first roll I got and I was happy with it. Titans definitely are lacking boss dps this “season” compared to other classes, however I see a HUGE nerf incoming soon to all you Hunters out there. Taking down bosses with 3 melee hits is insane. Have fun while it lasts lol
Titans are nerft to the ground and the key exotic nerft and wholesale for all other classes to use.. only specific builds work or some class exotic dorp thats only available for the hardcore playerbase.. luckily have 3 classes so switching to warlock
Severance combined with something was the first thing I got excited about when they announced exotic class items...... That was of course before they made it unobtainable for me and my fellow Solo soldiers. (Not by choice, Real Life mental health issues). B*****ds.
I know we give cross shit for not really being a titan main but sticking it out on titan when every other person switched to hunter for op dps, gotta give props!
He was one of 3 guardians that finished day 1 on his titan. He's for the people!
@@BrandonKistler7it was just out of the top 50 teams. Not total teams that beat contest
@@BrandonKistler7and he didn't get day 1. Only worlds first got a day one clear
@conrad3065 it's common knowledge that just completing during contest mode is considered "day one"
Yes, only one team beat it in the first 24 hours.
Who's been giving him shit?!? The dude almost always reps Titans, but he's a content creator so obviously he plays all classes
It was so wild that only 3 titans completed the raid at that time. Hate to see it.
most teams switched to hunter because the witness is literally a boss made for golden gun if the witness was like rhulk there would be way more titan completions
As a titan main, going to play warlock on prismatic makes me feel invincible. Prismatic titans (and all titans in general aside from strand and solar) need BIG changes to be viable in high level content.
Incoming Reddit warlock mains
@thiagoarxalmeida606 I love my warlock brothers, and warlock is super fun to play. It's just crazy that knockout giving full health on a melee kill was "too much" while warlocks have devour (full heal and grenade energy from ANY kill) able to be procc'd off ANY ability kill
To be fair there were a ton of titans in there, they just swapped to hunter for the final fight.
I salute my fellow OG titan mains we are going down with this ship
Damn right. I’ll bring the gourmet crayons
I'll tear the ship apart myself!😂😂
@@MyNameIsInig0prismatic titan is wildly powerful, and strand titan is still one of the most broken things in the entire game.
YEAH, TELL EM!!
*picks up controller to finish beating the campaign with Hunter
Bungie is just going to nerf both hunters and locks instead of bringing titans in par.
Titans got cucked imo. 4 of the possible perks are centered around barricade and 1 of them is actually good
Honestly the class items in general aren't that good. I think the new exotic armor are all better then the class items
Yet here we are with a prismatic build that is better.
@@AZrambo44 easily the dumbest opinion anyone has had since the expansion came out.
@@FlashesSoccer011I love all the self reports that prismatic isn’t that good. Such an unforced error from mid players
@@dylanmiller1140Bro it is bad r u serious? You can play skilled with prismatic however much u want, at the end of the day it's still going to boil down to chipping at enemies from range even though that's literally what they don't want u to do. Don't believe me, try prismatic on GM next month. The only classes that let u do more than this are solar/strand.
Sholder charge was the titan fantasy - Nerfed
Bonk hammer was the titan fantasy - Nerfed
Loreley Splendor was the titan fantasy - Nerfed
Banner of war was the titan fantasy - Nerfed
Dunemarchers was the titan fantasy - Nerfed
Syntho was the titan fantasy - Nerfed
Ward of Dawn was the titan fantasy - Nerfed
Being tanky was the titan fantasy - Nerfed
Hell even Stasis on titan was better last season
Being a Titan FEELS BAD and the numbers agree
Actually this. All of the things we're supposed to specialize in are just getting pruned
Bungie only ever buffs warlocks. Cause most of them play warlock
You can add HOIL to that
My brother you speak so much truth. I literally just want a 1 and done super that doesn't put my Titan in bad position (t-crash) and can be used when the boss is anywhere, not just on the floor and standing still (pyrogale) 😢😢😢😢😢
@@YelhsaBotif you use either twilight arsenal or glacial quake with star eaters it does some mean damage. Idk if it's super strong defensively but it will melt some bosses.
Sucks that titan literally only has 1 build. Consecration with knockout. Other classes have multiple builds but titans were capped at an alt solar build...
They gave us like the worst aspects except for knockout consecration like diamond lance which has 0 synergy with other aspect and all unbreakable does is replace your ability
I like to utilize dranger’s lash or whatever it is called. Knockout is good too though
There is more. But the problem is banner of war is too good. I feel left out as a titan, im stronger on strand 100%
Drengr's Lash is pretty good and I have been using Diamond Lance just to try, and it's ok, but definitely the best option from Stasis (No joke on this btw). Unbreakable is more of a PvP perk anyway.
Just say you lack creativity and that you need youtube lmao
Honestly the new chest piece better than any titan mark. The perk combos are meh for us.
True and oddly very few content creators are talking about it. Tons of stacking damage.
@@thenightingale7405they don’t wanna get it nerfed 😅
@@thenightingale7405tons of stacking damage that gets overridden by radiant so the buff doesn’t matter anyways
@@Porksandwich995just take off the artifact that makes you radiant on orbs and just not use rockets till timer is up?
Radiant makes the exotic meh. I love the rockets, but it’s not an endgame exotic for damage or buffs when compared to Synthos or exotics buffing other supers, imho
If Prismatic Titan ever gets any new Aspects it needs Controlled Demolition to boost its survival.
They could do with having "Controlled Demolition" and change it like how they did with a few aspects.
"Abilities apply Volatile to enemies
Elemental Explosions HEAL you and Nearby Allies"
Explosions are counted as Volatile, Ignition, Jolt, Shatter and Suspend which heals you and Nearby Allies.
This means the Volatile from ALL Abilities, Diamond Lance, Concecration, Drengrs Lash, Volt Shot, Thunder Clap, Shackle Grenade, Glacier Grenade etc can All Heal the Titan pretty easily. ESPECIALLY Glacier Grenades and Hoarfrost-Z.
This would give Prismatic Titan a lot of Survivability options and more importantly it actually Pairs well with EVERY other Aspect and a lot of the abilities AND class items.
LMFAO. Bro is trying to bring back old HOIL void titan, the most broken build to ever grace this game because controlled demolition is arguably the most broken aspect. I respect it. I want that build to resurface.
@@zacharyhsieh9358it was arc titan that was broken with HOIL, not void
@@Klodhvig you don’t know, do you? You don’t know the power of strolling through a GM like glass way in a 3 man void HOIL party as if it was a normal strike. Controlled demolition’s healing works on allies on top of yourself. That means every ally who is close gets free healing that scales exponentially with teammates. The amount of healing that it gave completely broke the game, and it’s virtually impossible to ruin each other’s gameplay loop. We finished the GM several times at -40 power in 20 minutes casually, with each encounter averaging at least 7 barricades that the enemy had to shoot through. 2/3 players in that party weren’t even PVE players at the time, and I was one of those two.
Yes, I was an avid enjoyer of storm nades on arc titan, but when I was shown the power of void titan with HOIL, I realized that arc titan was nothing compared to it for ad clear. Yes, arc titan had the better DPS by a ton, but that really only matters in raids.
The survivability scaling exponentially with teammates on top of infinite volatile explosions made ad clear literally free. Normally, builds require kills or getting hits to get abilities back. This means teammates can screw you over easily, even if not intentionally. This build did not suffer that issue. Arc titan didn’t either, but it was limited heavily by its survive-ability.
Yes, HOIL arc grenades were strong, but void was stronger for everything that wasn’t DPS phase.
@@Klodhvig nah, Void HoIL was far superior to Arc HoIL during its time. The ad clear of storm grenades was fine and all but the volatile chaining can more or less rival that, while having the best survivability in the game with.
@zacharyhsieh9358 arc titan didn't need any healing, even in GMs, prenerf storm grenades just did all the work by themselves.
People were easily soloing GMs with arc titan back then, literally a one man army
Hey Cross, was wondering if you plan on making a video about the state of titans in endgame content? As one of THE titans of the community, I'd love to see you bring some more attention to just how terrible titans are in the endgame right now (except BoW).
Cross loves dresses
I've been saying this for a while other than BoW titan hasn't been good since Lord of thunder
Before the HOIL nerf, you could use them in all endgame content
Until Bungie stops thinking that Titan = punch and there is no other class identity besides that (spoilers: Titans aren't all like that in-lore) Titans will suffer from the same issues.
I would love this! I have mained Bubble Titan since season 15 and seeing Cross finish the raid with Void Titan made me very proud!
Good as this is, I really hope Bungie puts some focused buffs and reworks on Titan, especially on Prismatic
Its really just undercooked as a subclass.
Not especially tanky.
Its not the best melee subclass. Its not the best support subclass. Its not the best damage subclass. .
It just underperforms and lacks a lot of synergy that Hunter and Warlock have.
Don't get me wrong, I love playing Warlock and Hunter too, I'm a greedy little Omni-Guardian, but I want Titan to be as good and as interesting and as flexible
People pretending like prismatic titan isn't crazy strong is absurd
Bro Prismatic Titan is OP and has super strong survival. We have knockout and consecration. Idk where this narrative of Titans being weak is coming from. I’ve never felt more powerful than ever and we have Banner of War for godsake 😂
@@CoachNezzybruh that’s 1 build literally 1 n that’s the only titan build worth using lol
@@CoachNezzy the only build...
@@SpydrByte And? It’s still a strong build. I haven’t taken it off and I fucking love it with the exotic class item?
Hard to run anything besides frenzied blade + consecration
What do you do when a floaty boy boss spawns?
@@thenightingale7405Cry
Don’t sleep on Diamond Lance with Cadmus Ridge Lancecap. Part of Lancecap is bugged on the part of Lances shattering crystals as of me typing this tho.
I ain’t a Titan but I believe the term you are looking for is Yeet
@@thenightingale7405cry
I hate to say it, but my biggest annoyance with prismatic is that, if I wanted to play the best punchy build in the game, I'd be playing Prismatic Hunter, despite the fact that titan is meant to be the punchy class.
Heres the thing about prismatic that is true about some of the other exotic class items and this: this is just strictly worse than what Hunters get. In this case, the hunter version is Caliban+Synthos/Liars. Severance is a generic explosion that only works on consumed abilities, but Caliban is an ignition that can be modified by facet of ruin and it procs on uncharged melee while you have combination blow stacks. Another example of this is Spirit of Eternal Warrior versus Spirit of Foetracer: eternal warrior gives 30 seconds of surge for one damage type when your super is over, but foetracer gives 10 seconds for each ability type used just off of hits with an ability. It's clear one is just strictly better than the other.
Yeah the severance nerf they did last month was a kick in the teeth. It wasn’t busted and hunters can do it with their kit. But apparently titans are banned from using roaring flames.
“I’d argue this is just as good as the hunter build.” The hunter build shows +2000% melee damage with infinite ability loop not needing transcendence, while titan needs transcendence, still doesn’t have an infinite ability loop with it, has less survivability, less CC, and on top of all of this a whopping +56% damage on consecration with this build.
Some of the hardest cope I’ve ever heard.
2000% melee damage with respect to a basic uncharged melee. What, do you want something in the game that hits like 20 Consecrations at once?
@@commentingchannel9776 Hunter punches literally hit more than consecrations right now. And hunter gets unlimited of them.
yeah but his argument was about the range. Sure hunter can get 2000 plus melee damage in an infinte ability loop however the vast majority of that damage is against a singular target with Calibans only doing some ignition. Compared to this build which can chunk rooms full of enemies in a single use, hell even half a melee charge using just the up swing of consecration. It can still put out chunky damage. I believe the hunter melee was hitting for 187,000 with counter punch where in this video Cross managed about 100,000+ on single target. Given that it can delete rooms full with one button press I would argue its up theire with liars caliban.
@@kommanderkermit4874 and when the stars line up just right and you have a ton of soft adds near a boss thats not damage immune you are going to do insane damage from each of those adds dyeing from the consecration triggering explosions and lightning strikes.
Kinda hit the peak of my frustrations with the Titan class. I’ve just straight up dropped it. Titan isn’t as fun as Warlock or Hunter, and it’s also not as good as them either.
Titans just feel left out and forgotten about, and that’s pretty apparent with the graph. So, Bungie kind of won. After a period of testing whether or not Titan would be at all worth continuing to play, I’ve finally got my answer.
Same I dropped Titan after playing it since rise of iron, there’s just no versatility in an endgame setting. I have much more options on Warlock and Hunter.
@@briefingsol Average Aztecross viewers
That class population graph gave me a flashback to year 1 of destiny when there was about 4-5 titans in existence. Became my main because bubble was so important and no one wanted to play titan
What are you talking about? It was hunters that were useless in pretty much all of year d1 pve. It even became a meme that hunters were only useful for going invisible and reviving teammates in prison of elders.
Bubble titans carried all of year 1
@@Klodhvigfacts everyone was using bubble titan and warlock could self res. Hunters didn’t even become usable until they got void lol
@@Klodhvig i personally didnt see a lot of titans until the dark below, i picked hunter first on launch then i saw nothing but hunters running around and switched
loving the diversity on titan this expansion
I got consecration + knockout + stoicism AND consecration + knockout + synthos
try drengers lash + knockout + abeyant leap
You two just literally mentioned the two only possible titan combos in the game I hope y’all don’t get tired of those cause that’s basically it as far as prismatic titans go 😭
@@Wonderbrut you can also go crazy with consecration and diamond lance
@@kingkunta3753no hate by what’s the point in even running that when you could just use the same thing but have an infinitely better aspect like BoW or into the fray on strand
@@yaboibigsmoke2733Because in higher level content banner of war play still is a bit risky. You have to proc banner of war and keep it up for survivability which sometimes doesn't work when adds are mowing you down. What prismatic brings to the table is stability. With stoic and spirit of contact your charged melee does jolts which helps with add clear. Consecration is a easy win however shield throw with AOE damage and over shields is a great pairing. Lance cap with consecration is a great pairing, the new aspect shield into knock out and thunder clap does insane damage with the spirit of contact. Also we have weapons to enhanced these things. Khovostol and monte carlo synergies with titans a lot. Khovostol and the ability to add clear and create orbs Monte Carlo for obvious reasons. I have soooo many builds revolving titan that it's crazy when I see people think titans lack something. We're here just need to be creative other than just thinking banner of war titan is life.
Holy shit you made a Titan build
It's actually not his someone in the clan got that roll😂😂
I mean I wouldn't even consider this as "making a Titan build" it's just concentration with some jolt. Half the video he's fighting to get kills with Monte Carlo to get his melee back while his teammates clear all the ads he's waiting to concentrate
we're a endangered species, but for some reason we keep getting nerfed the most lately.
You had your time in the spotlight the last 2 years. Hoil thunder nades, banner of war, one two punch shield bash,
Mostly because of crucible/trials crybabies, but it is what it is
@@rustyrolla5432 its called bungie is petrified of the almighty titans. they tried to nerf banner and one two punch and failed miserably. we will violate the devs with our overpoweredness.
Cause bungie doesn’t like the melee class doing melee things
@nappy6806 titan melee builds got nerfed prob cause it was moving to the other classes. Dumb asf we get nerfed just to share 😒.
THANK YOU!! this is the first major youtuber that ive seen that said this specific combo is bad ass! I have a hoil/syntho class item, and it does fine. But my severance/contact i think does a better job!!
Destiny community: from across the first 50 teams, only 3 players were titans! Bungie please do something
Bungie: we hear you loud and clear, next week we'll be deleting titans from the game
“We will also be deleting all accounts of those who have more than 10 hours of Titan playtime, as punishment. Per our data, this will not affect the player base in any significant way. Also, Luke Smith will personally send you a picture of his latest dinosaur size shit.”
Cross started this video out with that infographic because he knows he is THE Titan main. As a Titan from D1 until Stasis, I can respect the sheer devotion.
Endangered, true. Yet every time titans get *something* good. “Titans are so op. There so oppressive” 😂
I swear this happens every single time
It’s because titans entire identity is stuck being melee now, but melee builds are only endgame viable if they’re broken
Fellow Titan mains. Do not fret about being left out in this expansion. If we’ve learned anything over the years it’s that titans will always be the pinnacle of kicking ass on the battlefield. Get those exotic class item combos rolling. There’s hope for us yet ladies and gentleman. I promise. Never give up never surrender. Titans ARE THE BATTLEFIELD!
HOO RAH
i haven't played with one prismatic titan in salvation's edge. Strand sure, solar absolutely, prismatic titan 404
When I saw the perk lisy for the class item, this was the exact roll I knew I'd want. I've been looking for a vid showcasing this perk combo and was so happy to see you upload it.
I will always be a titan main! 😎 other classes are sure fun but titan has been my main class since d1!
I JUST got this to drop and it’s been one of my favorite rolls across all classes
This changes nothing for why Titan wasn't present in the raid and is currently at the bottom of the class pool by a mile.
Literally got this exact roll to drop while doing Overthrow after watching. Can never go wrong with having hella explosions
Unfortunately the knockout punches don't work with spirit of the assassin either, I wish we had some consistency on what does or doesn't work, it feels like it should. Was so excited then so dissapointed when I started using assassin + syntho
I agree on consistency because I thought Combination Blow was also supposed to get the change Knockout did but I’m making orbs with Heavy Handed with it still even when using the uncharged melee.
I am an arc hunter main and I am here to tell you combination blow is the uncontested best melee ability in the game. It absolutely needs that functionality youre talking about removed, and plenty of other changes to tone it down. Its insane that it has been left alone this long.
@@RangerIVnooooo don’t do itttt it doesn’t need to be removed more like titan needs it back!
@@Vixenlive22 if thats the route bungie wants to go thats fine, but look at the other arc hunter melee for context. Its called “disorienting blow” which people may not know because nobody ever talks about it, or makes builds on it, or uses it. If combo blow is gonna get this “free” melee proc functionality, then bungie better be buffing the tits out of disorienting blow because it is in shambles by comparison. Also, knockout is an aspect so i could at least see that being ok for it to get this free proccing, but letting combination blow have that function as just a basic melee option with no other investment is outrageous haha
This is more of a “combination blow is way op” than a “leave knockout nerfed” comment haha
@@danielholmes4267they only changed assassin's cowl, not combination blow. Assassin's cowl doesn't work with combination blow either.
nah dude that stat sheet @ beginning at video, aligns EXACTLY w how ive been feeling. titans got the end of the stick w this one.!!!
I wish severe had sum light 3.0 synergy
Its kenetic damage though. Light 3.0 wouldn't effect it
@@ZhaloSupercell1 ik but it would be nice if it had sum effect like scorch or weaken
I've been feeling like titans got shafted. Good to see the numbers back it up. Maybe they'll undo some of the titan nerfs over the last year.
I get what you're saying cross but you can't tell me with a straight face that this is just as good as hunters ITS NOT we got screwed hunters can clear rooms and do crazy one two punch DPS with slows and weakens and go invisible it's crazy Titans can make a small explosion and a jolt effect it's nowhere near the same power level
Still wish they would’ve given titans the exotic perk that refreshes melee charge on melee kill (the arc one I forget the name of) as a way to try and give “the melee class” as many melees as Hunter has
Facet of Balance gives you back a good amount of melee energy every time you wipe out a group of adds with it
@@kidbu916and all Hunter has to do is dodge. The problem with Prismatic Titan is getting your melee back when you don't have any, with a class so focused on melee abilities they did a terrible job of giving us the ability to get it back quickly. With a 2 1/2 minute cool down because frenzy blade need to be so long for no reason
"Use this combo". Ok ill just get lucky i guess
Finally had this roll today, had a run through duel destiny with a mate and realy enjoyed the potential of this combo especially with the Monte Carlo.
Very solid build, kinda sucks that hunters are getting better melee build than us titans
hunters have no aoe on melee outside of calibans which requires a kill titan just requires a hit
Fr and bungee jump said that we are the melee class lol
Same as titans and warlocks being the better movement class than hunters
@@Kazuhira2249 strand melee ? Arc with doge melee ? Explosive knife melee? Snare bomb on void? Grapple melee ?
I agree. Hunters should not be the punchy boi, that should be titans domain. Hunters should have utility melees. And also be able to stab with uncharged melees on all subclasses, but thats a different discussion. I say this as an arc hunter main, and i refuse to use combination blow because it doesnt fit the identity of hunter.
IT FINALLY DROPPED FOR ME …. Literal weeks of farming even with double drops and the loot chests in the pale heart.
This was my first drop, been enjoying it a lot. I'm wanting an eternal warrior/star eater as well.
The thing is-- when we hit GM content and overall harder content than we have seen thusfar, these melee builds fall apart because you literally cannot afford to get as close as you need to be to make sure the build functions properly. For casual content even through some legendary content, sure. But anyone with aspirations higher than that, this just will not work eventually.
My buddy and I used to duo run GMs with triple shotguns and synthos… it’s definitely viable
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I prefer spirit of contact and spirit of innermost light. That's because your melee damage gets supercharged by your other abilities and you can melee more often. The loss of the explosion is only minor as you already AOE clear with spirit of contact so doubling up makes no difference. This roll has both add clear and increased damage for major killing.
Sorry brother, this isn't a versatile build at all. Not everyone wants to use Montecarlo in their build, so this is gonna lack a lot of melee uptime. Knockout is not a good reliable source of healing and this build would've been 1000% times better if it could work with normal powered knockout melees.
Okay then don’t use it lmao
titans are slop rn
I just use inmost and contact, have no problem keeping melee charge up
I agree with everything except "Knockout is not a reliable source of healing."
I've been surrounded by adds and I just started punching to stay alive. You'd be surprised how effective it is. Anything short of a yellow bar and you'll be fine
Melee recharge rate is balls, good luck running this after you've blown your 3 charges
THE BUILD YOU WANT is SEVERANCE AND Synthoceps these are rookie numbers compared to what that does I don’t have the artifact mod at the end but each slam was doing 250k and each regular strand melee was at 100k with knockout active I have screenshots 😊
bungie let us solo the exotic mission FFS
LFG
@@clashclips1330 you are right, i want to spend 4 hours looking for people that most of the time use 2 primaries and have 28 res, in the chance i get a good player...fun. no let us solo it like all other content in the game (excluding raids)
As a Titan main…I must say…BORN TO BUBBLE FORCED TO STRAND!!!! Everybody is talking about how broken Strand Titan is while ignoring the fact that it’s the only viable subclass for Titans in endgame PvE (solar Titan is viable too but overshadowed by strand).
Rocking a hoil and contact Mark. The melee is crazy with concentration
I'm glad to see Cross's viewers sharing concern about the state of Titans these days. I just so only hope that Bungie sees it with the same level of concern the community is starting to see it in
I literally just did dual destiny for the 1st time, started exotic farming & GOT THIS ROLL OUT OF THE PALE CHEST!
I got this role the first day the mission came out and I’m in the discord just don’t talk and I will say THIS IS THE MOST FUN IVE EVER HAD
I've only run the exotic mission once so far and Severance + Contact is exactly the role I got! This video is fate.
Imma keep it real with you Cross, prismatic Titan feels alot like subclass 2.0.
Very little if any abilities feeding into one another, nothing that takes advantage of subclass verbs interacting, and sending a bunch of non-syngergetic things then waiting for cooldowns.
Been holding on to this roll for a while cause it seemed fun to play around with. Don’t always need a game breaking build to enjoy being a Titan.
Got this exact roll and having a blast with it! Wasnt even considering this roll until it dropped for me, havnt taken it off since. ❤
I literally just got this roll like 5 minutes ago. Booted up TH-cam to check uploads and here this video is. I will DEF be doing this xD
People used to say Titans were wasy mode. But its clear that irs actually Hunters are easy mode
This was my first drop of an exotic class but I needed to keep going. Eternal warrior and scars is a lifesaver with endgame
To be fair there were alot of Titans in the raid. Just that the Witness fight heavily favoured Hunters (Still Hunt Celestial will probably catch a nerf). Both Datto and Salt were Titans but were made to switch off to Hunter for the final boss
just got the class item with this combo, when I read it I knew it was going to be a banger.
Guess I'll have to watch everything. No DIM links whatsoever LOL
glad i am not the only one that saw the crazy potential of this roll.
This roll is crazy, I got one last weak and I was surprise how can this be a thing
As a hunter main since D1 I felt myself gravitating towards titan for a while ever since stasis titan. Crazy how the dynamic has changed😅
I know this seems kinda meh, but i want to try and get a spirit of Galanor / Spirit of the star eater, if i can it that, i'll be happy.... wish that the exotic could of had all the legendary and exotic styles tho
I have immost light and contact. It is just so good. Clearing rooms with a single melee and even doing good damage to bosses. Spamming it during transendance is just a second super
Was super lucky and got this on my first run of the mission. Thought it would be meh, until I realized how liberal it was in applying the jolt and lightning.
EVERYTHING GETS IT like he said, so its like a thundercrash in its explosion.
MY MAN!
I have been farming for this since yesterday. Hard when your a solo player. So far I have 3 total. Hoarfrost-horn, bear-synthoceps, and abeyant-syntboceps. Gotta test the bear synthoceps out but over all ok rolls.
I JUST GOT THIS ROLL!! It only took opening 100 chests in patrol for only one class item BUT IT WAS THIS ROLL
I feel like spirit of eternal warrior and spirit of scars would be a really good gunplay build. Pair it with the facet for volatile/unravel rounds, a good void or strand gun
Another combination that really slaps is the spirit of the eternal warrior and the spirit of the star eater. Cast your super (which does more damage) and then have a 4x surge bonus damage for like 30 seconds . It melts the witness (especially since everyone knows they are going to nerf still hunt)
What that chart showed is not that warlocks and hunters need a nerf, but that Titans really need a buff
Seeing videos about class exotic builds feels like the meme of squidward looking out of the window
I’m so glad titans finally have a ranged damaged super.
AFTER TEN. FUCKING. YEARS.
(Note: Thundercrash does not count as it is literally coded as a melee that can proc Skullfort, and pyrogales is an exotic that can’t hit most flying enemies in the game.)
One thing is for certain, Titan needs to see all ‘slide to melee’ aspects added to prismatic.
Those new Titan gauntlets would go crazy if we could actually use them with its associated aspect on prissy
I knew this was gonna be a badass combo when i seen the list. Awesome to see this vid cause it proves that its hype!
Nice!! Now I have a build to go melee the witness
As a new Titan main in final shape I have gotten 47 marks to finally get a single one with star eater but I got a severance contact around 20-25 marks lol
Doing the mission or chests?
I had a bunch of fun with a Peregrine build during the legend campaign. It worked really well since you could freeze with a diamond lance then follow with the instant kill.
Peregrines dont stack with freeze unfortunately :( they have a specific clause not to
Personally going after this roll, and one with HOIL instead of Severance so that I can consecration slam more often. Because I found that using a glacier grenade and then slamming into it does a lot of damage from the shatter and ignition, And I have a roll with HOIL and Synthoceps currently that I’ve been having fun with. But I found out as I’m in the air with consecration my melee recharges faster thanks to HOIL. So I literally only use half a charge to no charge at all for consecration.
“Who threw that piece of paper at me?”
I just got this roll to drop 40 minutes after i finished the vid lol. Knew that point contact was gonna go hard!
got this roll my third go around, i’m loving this so far, might keep me on titan for a good bit this season
Warlock and hunters still better
seem like a skill issue
Skill issue confirmed?
Post scriptum: Titano main PURO.
This might be pretty good, especially if you can just use the upper cut attack to proc jolt and finish them off with your weapons
Just did my first run of this 2 hours ago, legit this was the first roll
I use this one for awhile but ended us switching back to synthasteps, just feels weak comparatively:(
"I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR YOU, AND ONE QUESTION ONLY! EXPLOSIONS?!" -Mister Torgue
I decided to swap out knockout for Lash, because with it, I can be more aggrieved up close as well to charge both meters wayyyy faster than with knockout. I am using Inmost + contact
The speed at which I get my Transcendence is almost instant
Hallowfire heart with the frenzied blade consecration is pretty good. As long as ur throwing hammer super is charged, ur melee cooldown goes to about 16 sec.
These exotic class items are kind of hit and miss for me. The power to exotic traits provided is awesome, but having to farm and get lucky with rng is not. Instead once you unlocked the class item, you should've had to farm for the traits or maybe specific objectives to unlock each trait.
This way everyone could eventually have one class item with all 16 traits instead of needing to get lucky and wasting vault space.
I knew this roll would be maximum dopamine, sadly nothing else really scratches my needs and wants from the class exotic
Well Cross, right here is where I'd put my Severance + Contact class item. IF I HAD ONE
I'm realizing now that Final Shape reused a LOT of stuff. Reusing assets for the pale heart, reusing subclasses for prismatic, reusing exotics for these class items. The thing is, it makes sense with the story and the gameplay loop and it's GENUINELY WELL DONE
Literally the first roll I got and I was happy with it. Titans definitely are lacking boss dps this “season” compared to other classes, however I see a HUGE nerf incoming soon to all you Hunters out there. Taking down bosses with 3 melee hits is insane. Have fun while it lasts lol
Titans are nerft to the ground and the key exotic nerft and wholesale for all other classes to use.. only specific builds work or some class exotic dorp thats only available for the hardcore playerbase.. luckily have 3 classes so switching to warlock
Severance combined with something was the first thing I got excited about when they announced exotic class items...... That was of course before they made it unobtainable for me and my fellow Solo soldiers. (Not by choice, Real Life mental health issues). B*****ds.
Prismatic Stasis and arc titan with skullfort exotic is a must try. Infinite melee with thunderclap plus constant health regen and overshield.
I've actually been enjoying Prismatic Titan the most. Thunderclap buff feels so fucking nice
A SEVERANCE ENCLOSURE BUILD?! FINALLY
This seems like it’d be a much better solar hammer throwing build. Become Thor, spawn sunspots and “ignitions” from severance.
Sees build. Sees frenzied blade and consecration. Feels sadness of boredom.
Ikr…😴
💯
Yep
Use another melee then
@@wingedtitan2628 oh use another shittier melee? you're gimping yourself if you're not using knockout/consecration...the best (and only) option