Caitlyn was given the Bonnie Bennett treatment. By your same token Bonnie should've ended up with Damon Salvatore. But that's not what's cannon so you'll have to live with the fact that Barry married Iris and the plot surrounded them and future generations will ONLY know this version of Barry Allen and black Iris West. Keep crying about it like the Meghan Markle haters.
I remember Oliver in season 1 saying "guys like us don't get the girl" I kinda wish barry dwelled on that topic and ended up accepting that maybe he won't be with iris and then ending up with someone else like caitlyn or maybe patty doesn't leave hell it would be interesting to see the dynamic of dating a superhero from another dimension(kara) obviously without technically counting cisco
I agree wholeheartedly! I’d have loved if they ended up together. Unfortunately, some fans tried to get Danielle Panabaker fired because they were so paranoid she was trying to come between Iris and Barry. It’s really sad because all I’ve ever heard about Danielle is that she’s a total sweetheart and is kind to everyone. So she definitely didn’t deserve the hate. Ty for the video. You do a wonderful job and I appreciate what you do. Keep it up please!
@ agreed. I’ve been a fan ever since Friday The 13th and she’s just one of the nicest people from what I’ve heard. So the paranoid fans needed to back off. Not everything needs to be 100% comics accurate you know?
@@austinmcneil8775 look at Smallville. Not everything on there was 100% accurate but it’s my favorite show of all time. They took their time and did a good job telling Clark’s story.
I was way younger when I watched the first season of The Flash on Netflix. I didn’t understand character writing and chemistry much but I had a base level understanding of relationships and I thought that Barry really was just better being around Caitlin instead of Iris. I don’t really care about it much but I just remember sitting there thinking that Caitlin was a much better choice for a relationship rather than Iris
I always felt that Iris West should've died in season three so that the show could actually explore relationships that would be entertaining to watch. And for me, that relationship was Barry and Caitlin. Just thinking about it now fills my mind with possible avenues they could've explored that would've been more entertaining.
It would’ve ended so much more depth to the show if Iris died in season three. Plus, it would’ve given them a chance to explore other relationships and let’s be honest Iris’s character just got annoying from season four onward.
Arrowverse was willing to deviate from the canon Green Arrow and Black Canary pairing but the WestAllen ship just had to happen. It's like are they allergic to money
Snowbarry is the best tbh, if the writers excuse for not getting them together being that iris is supposed to be his lover, its stupid because CW arrowverse shows arent exactly known to be the most comic accuracy. Plus lets be real, they made Iris barry's sister 💀 i mean come on, CW missed out on a potentially best relationship in Snowbarry tbh.
Yeah I mean they made arrow more like Batman than green arrow and they made him date a nobody in terms of comics and killed off green arrows one and only black canary. Comic accurate my ass. If there was one show that should have diverted from the comics it was flash in terms of love interest and if there was one show that should have stayed comic accurate it was arrow, whether it was with Sara’s canary or laurel’s canary.
Honestly they had a good arc they could've done where after Ronnie died Barry would've been there to comfort her and be a friend and then season 4 or 5 they can then get together
You could tell there was attraction between the two of them. For example in season the episode "Crazy for you" Barry had to have been watching Caitlin to know she only bites her lip when something is bothering her. He learned this after knowing her only a few months. I had friends for years who wouldn't have picked up this kind of tell. Even in the Pilot he had only met her a couple days before and noticed she didn't smile very much. When Barry was dating Patty, Patty seemed to be jealous when she saw Barry and Caitlin together. When Lynda saw Barry and Caitlin sing karaoke at the bar her first reaction was that they were a couple. Even when Caitlin went full on Killer Frost she joined Savitar only because he was a version of Barry. Cisco couldn't even get Barry out of the speed force until Caitlin was involved. He helped her face her fear of going down to the particle accelerator. Snowbarry really should have been end game. When Caitlin returned at the very end when Khione ascended or whatever it was. The first person she went to was Barry. Mind you only what I Refer to as the D team of team Flash was there too. But you could see the love and forgiveness for everything there.
Yeah like Oliver and laurel didn’t get together in the show even tho they are supposed to because of the comics that didn’t happen so they could’ve had Barry be with anyone
People who say “will Barry and Iris get together in the comics so they are just trying to be comic accurate” even tho in arrow Oliver doesn’t get with laurel in the show even tho in the comics they are supposed to so people saying “they are trying to be comic lure accurate” is BS in my opinion
I actually read or heard somewhere that Grant was the one who wanted to be comic accurate in this regard. This can be total BS though. Man, if they can do it with Arrow, why not Flash aswell.
@@_Kazuto_Kirigaya_ well if Grant wanted it to become a accurate in that regard, they could’ve made Danielle Pennebaker Iris West and had a whole new actor play Caitlin Snow
Yeah like I love west Allen in the comics but the actor choice and more so the writers let that ship down. They made iris super annoying and put her in places she shouldn’t have been. And the chemistry wasn’t what it should have been. Sometimes you just have to divert
I definitely agree. They should've ended up together. Plus, they look cute together. And the scenes when caitlin gets drunk is honestly seriously cute.
@@noahfitness3974 the original plan was for Oliver and Laurel to end up together, but the fans whined and said they liked Felicity better. I’m sorry but I never liked Felicity.
Well, the Savitar said that Iris will spend rest of her life with Barry not other way around or anything like that and also Eobard comment about her being dead for centuries which mean that she'll die likely around 2051.
I would of loved to see Barry date Felicity, than Caitlyn than maybe in future season Fiona Webb/Beverly Lewis, Patty Spivot & his final love interest could of been Supergirl when earths merged
@@noahfitness3974 I agreed with you dude. Except for the whole felicity thing I don’t like her Barry is more of a fit for Caitlyn and Kara than the other ones that you said Noah!
To me, love interests are something that is flexible for superheroes. Throughout comic book history, superheroes have had many love interests. Look out how many people Spiderman and Superman have dated over the years. In each live action Spiderman series(Toby Maguire, Andrew Garfield, Tom Holland) he had a different love interest. The majority of audience did not complain he was not with Mary Jane in all the movies. I believe each movie, tv, or animated adaptation of a superhero should not be constrained to the canon one in the comics.
Heck, she should have been cast as Iris. I actually met the actress they got at a convention during season 3, trying to get some info on who Savitar was (she knew, but I’m guessing an NDA or something prevented her from telling). And when I asked her about the role, and gave her some trivia (for the record, I was not trying to attack her with “Um, axually”), and said that in the comics she’s white, which I thought was cool she owned the role, her… I’m guessing handler… said to me, “Well, she’s Black now”. That’s when I started to stop caring about the Flash. TL:DR, Danielle Panabaker should have been Iris.
If anything, I blame that OUT OF TOUCH SHOWRUNNER, ERIC WALLICE FOR NOT GETTING US WHAT WE WANT!! Hate him with a PASSION!! I also blame the WESTALLAN TROLLS on X. They were the WORST people I've ever seen. The actress who plays Iris has had controversy over the years & her appearance on a certain Podcast didn't do her any favors.
Iris will always be Barry's love interest and guessing by how they changed her to black in the comics seems like the DC owners are adamant about keeping her that way. Once you go black... Never go back. Cry. Perhaps instead of bitching about it, you should be kinder to the people who are going to be the majority of USA one day. South African whites are definitely changing their tune as the extreme minority that doesn't get represented in South African media
Because Barry and Iris are Clark Kent and Lois. Who the fuck cares about Arrow? Society is so threatened by black women. I am glad that black women are taking over leading lady roles in Hollywood now.
Snowbarry fans are feeling so validated after a decade! Let’s go!! It's definitely one of the most controversial arrowverse topics!! Their chemistry is unmatched! ♥️⚡️💙❄️
Nope. CW is the canon. Whatever fanfiction you want it can be erased from TH-cam. You're not validated, like Javik fandom, you're losers. Future generations will ONLY know Iris West as black and the love interest of Barry Allen. Get over it. Internet always changes, video and tv never changes
It's very hypocritical of them of really wanting to make Iris and Barry canon since its comic accurate but OLLIE AND LAUREL??? Naw that's just too much
Black men are trolling at this point. What triggered you? Seeing Gen Z black girls dating out because CW was a basically PR for interracial relationships. It made it okay for me to feel comfortable seeing myself in Iris and Barry due to my own relationship with white men. inf act, the increasing black women and white man coupling in more projects like Arcane is triggering entire fandoms and white women are also getting insecure I have noticed. Hollywood is sending us a message
The snowbarry chemistry made much sense!
Caitlyn was given the Bonnie Bennett treatment. By your same token Bonnie should've ended up with Damon Salvatore. But that's not what's cannon so you'll have to live with the fact that Barry married Iris and the plot surrounded them and future generations will ONLY know this version of Barry Allen and black Iris West. Keep crying about it like the Meghan Markle haters.
SNOWBARRY FOR LIFE ❤️🩵⚡️❄️
snowbarry forevah
@ always dude.
personally, i would have called the ship "flashfrost".
@@wcapewell3089 yeah I agree with you they should ended together
I remember Oliver in season 1 saying "guys like us don't get the girl" I kinda wish barry dwelled on that topic and ended up accepting that maybe he won't be with iris and then ending up with someone else like caitlyn or maybe patty doesn't leave hell it would be interesting to see the dynamic of dating a superhero from another dimension(kara) obviously without technically counting cisco
I would like to add before anyone says anything that I know gypsy isn't a superhero but she is a super powered enforcer of the law so yeah
Barry had a mind of his own. Catilan and probably yourself needs validation from others.
I agree wholeheartedly! I’d have loved if they ended up together.
Unfortunately, some fans tried to get Danielle Panabaker fired because they were so paranoid she was trying to come between Iris and Barry. It’s really sad because all I’ve ever heard about Danielle is that she’s a total sweetheart and is kind to everyone. So she definitely didn’t deserve the hate.
Ty for the video. You do a wonderful job and I appreciate what you do. Keep it up please!
Man dude that’s so messed up!
@ agreed. I’ve been a fan ever since Friday The 13th and she’s just one of the nicest people from what I’ve heard. So the paranoid fans needed to back off. Not everything needs to be 100% comics accurate you know?
@ I definitely agreed with you on that dude.
@@austinmcneil8775 look at Smallville. Not everything on there was 100% accurate but it’s my favorite show of all time. They took their time and did a good job telling Clark’s story.
@ mine too man. Before the Arrowverse smallville was my favorite show ever
Their chemistry in the early seasons of the show was fire. Not so much with Iris and Barry. Same with the episodes with Kara aka Supergirl.
Speed Force + Cold Powers = Ice Age Personafied
I was way younger when I watched the first season of The Flash on Netflix. I didn’t understand character writing and chemistry much but I had a base level understanding of relationships and I thought that Barry really was just better being around Caitlin instead of Iris. I don’t really care about it much but I just remember sitting there thinking that Caitlin was a much better choice for a relationship rather than Iris
They were together in my fanfiction.
I always felt that Iris West should've died in season three so that the show could actually explore relationships that would be entertaining to watch. And for me, that relationship was Barry and Caitlin. Just thinking about it now fills my mind with possible avenues they could've explored that would've been more entertaining.
It would’ve ended so much more depth to the show if Iris died in season three. Plus, it would’ve given them a chance to explore other relationships and let’s be honest Iris’s character just got annoying from season four onward.
Arrowverse was willing to deviate from the canon Green Arrow and Black Canary pairing but the WestAllen ship just had to happen. It's like are they allergic to money
This fumble MUST BE STUDIED!!!!!😢😔
Snowbarry is the best tbh, if the writers excuse for not getting them together being that iris is supposed to be his lover, its stupid because CW arrowverse shows arent exactly known to be the most comic accuracy. Plus lets be real, they made Iris barry's sister 💀 i mean come on, CW missed out on a potentially best relationship in Snowbarry tbh.
I think that actually was the writers excuse
I'm pretty sure Grant wanted comics accurate and that the writers were the one who wanted snowbarry
@aqze4rd815 either way neither of all the arrowverse shows was comic accurate lol
Yeah I mean they made arrow more like Batman than green arrow and they made him date a nobody in terms of comics and killed off green arrows one and only black canary. Comic accurate my ass. If there was one show that should have diverted from the comics it was flash in terms of love interest and if there was one show that should have stayed comic accurate it was arrow, whether it was with Sara’s canary or laurel’s canary.
Honestly they had a good arc they could've done where after Ronnie died Barry would've been there to comfort her and be a friend and then season 4 or 5 they can then get together
caitlin should have a happy ending
You could tell there was attraction between the two of them. For example in season the episode "Crazy for you" Barry had to have been watching Caitlin to know she only bites her lip when something is bothering her. He learned this after knowing her only a few months. I had friends for years who wouldn't have picked up this kind of tell. Even in the Pilot he had only met her a couple days before and noticed she didn't smile very much. When Barry was dating Patty, Patty seemed to be jealous when she saw Barry and Caitlin together. When Lynda saw Barry and Caitlin sing karaoke at the bar her first reaction was that they were a couple. Even when Caitlin went full on Killer Frost she joined Savitar only because he was a version of Barry. Cisco couldn't even get Barry out of the speed force until Caitlin was involved. He helped her face her fear of going down to the particle accelerator. Snowbarry really should have been end game. When Caitlin returned at the very end when Khione ascended or whatever it was. The first person she went to was Barry. Mind you only what I Refer to as the D team of team Flash was there too. But you could see the love and forgiveness for everything there.
Thanks for the content i miss the cw flash man
Just because its in the comics doesn’t mean it should be in live action
Yeah like Oliver and laurel didn’t get together in the show even tho they are supposed to because of the comics that didn’t happen so they could’ve had Barry be with anyone
@@darkness5101 yeah they could’ve and they should’ve
I find this comment hilarious because Snow's actress looks like Iris from the comics.
People who say “will Barry and Iris get together in the comics so they are just trying to be comic accurate” even tho in arrow Oliver doesn’t get with laurel in the show even tho in the comics they are supposed to so people saying “they are trying to be comic lure accurate” is BS in my opinion
I actually read or heard somewhere that Grant was the one who wanted to be comic accurate in this regard. This can be total BS though. Man, if they can do it with Arrow, why not Flash aswell.
@@_Kazuto_Kirigaya_ well if Grant wanted it to become a accurate in that regard, they could’ve made Danielle Pennebaker Iris West and had a whole new actor play Caitlin Snow
Yeah like I love west Allen in the comics but the actor choice and more so the writers let that ship down. They made iris super annoying and put her in places she shouldn’t have been. And the chemistry wasn’t what it should have been. Sometimes you just have to divert
Imagine their kid 🗿
14:59 umm you’re talking over yourself lol
I definitely agree. They should've ended up together.
Plus, they look cute together. And the scenes when caitlin gets drunk is honestly seriously cute.
Oliver Queen should ended up with Laurel Lance & Sarah Lance with John Constantine
That second one is interesting
@@noahfitness3974 the original plan was for Oliver and Laurel to end up together, but the fans whined and said they liked Felicity better. I’m sorry but I never liked Felicity.
@@noahfitness3974 I definitely agree with you Noah of the first one but the second one is wrong I love Sarah and Ava.
@@Trekapediayeah idk who said that they liked Oliver with Felicity that’s just dumb
Well, the Savitar said that Iris will spend rest of her life with Barry not other way around or anything like that and also Eobard comment about her being dead for centuries which mean that she'll die likely around 2051.
I would of loved to see Barry date Felicity, than Caitlyn than maybe in future season Fiona Webb/Beverly Lewis, Patty Spivot & his final love interest could of been Supergirl when earths merged
@@noahfitness3974 I agreed with you dude. Except for the whole felicity thing I don’t like her Barry is more of a fit for Caitlyn and Kara than the other ones that you said Noah!
I mean...felicity was already established on arrow so I think it would be tough to make that shift
He would heal fast after love making so it would work
Ah the classic would of instead of the correct would’ve, cmon.
There being an alternate timeline or universe where they're together, is my head canon
To me, love interests are something that is flexible for superheroes. Throughout comic book history, superheroes have had many love interests. Look out how many people Spiderman and Superman have dated over the years. In each live action Spiderman series(Toby Maguire, Andrew Garfield, Tom Holland) he had a different love interest. The majority of audience did not complain he was not with Mary Jane in all the movies. I believe each movie, tv, or animated adaptation of a superhero should not be constrained to the canon one in the comics.
Heck, she should have been cast as Iris. I actually met the actress they got at a convention during season 3, trying to get some info on who Savitar was (she knew, but I’m guessing an NDA or something prevented her from telling). And when I asked her about the role, and gave her some trivia (for the record, I was not trying to attack her with “Um, axually”), and said that in the comics she’s white, which I thought was cool she owned the role, her… I’m guessing handler… said to me, “Well, she’s Black now”. That’s when I started to stop caring about the Flash.
TL:DR, Danielle Panabaker should have been Iris.
If anything, I blame that OUT OF TOUCH SHOWRUNNER, ERIC WALLICE FOR NOT GETTING US WHAT WE WANT!! Hate him with a PASSION!! I also blame the WESTALLAN TROLLS on X. They were the WORST people I've ever seen. The actress who plays Iris has had controversy over the years & her appearance on a certain Podcast didn't do her any favors.
Yeah, all of this is pretty much true
@ You wouldn’t believe the BS I’ve heard & I was trolled by them a few times due to my replies to them.
14:59 was that intentional or an editing error?
Anyone but Iris
Iris will always be Barry's love interest and guessing by how they changed her to black in the comics seems like the DC owners are adamant about keeping her that way. Once you go black... Never go back. Cry. Perhaps instead of bitching about it, you should be kinder to the people who are going to be the majority of USA one day. South African whites are definitely changing their tune as the extreme minority that doesn't get represented in South African media
honestly I did think they were setting up a relationship for them based on barry's calling out of Caitlin treating Barry like Ronnie
Caitlyn was always going to end up alone.
Sure , Arrow and felicity can be together even when they aren’t comic accurate but not the flash 🫡
Because Barry and Iris are Clark Kent and Lois. Who the fuck cares about Arrow? Society is so threatened by black women. I am glad that black women are taking over leading lady roles in Hollywood now.
Even flash and super girl had more chemistry
Snowbarry fans are feeling so validated after a decade! Let’s go!! It's definitely one of the most controversial arrowverse topics!! Their chemistry is unmatched! ♥️⚡️💙❄️
Nope. CW is the canon. Whatever fanfiction you want it can be erased from TH-cam. You're not validated, like Javik fandom, you're losers. Future generations will ONLY know Iris West as black and the love interest of Barry Allen. Get over it. Internet always changes, video and tv never changes
Wtf was that ending?😂😂😂
It's very hypocritical of them of really wanting to make Iris and Barry canon since its comic accurate but OLLIE AND LAUREL??? Naw that's just too much
Wonder why they pick someone stupid. Wow!, You will learn.
Yes bro!!!!
Black men are trolling at this point. What triggered you? Seeing Gen Z black girls dating out because CW was a basically PR for interracial relationships. It made it okay for me to feel comfortable seeing myself in Iris and Barry due to my own relationship with white men. inf act, the increasing black women and white man coupling in more projects like Arcane is triggering entire fandoms and white women are also getting insecure I have noticed. Hollywood is sending us a message