I have been using my Karrimor Iberian panniers since late 1980. About twenty years ago my dog chewed a hole in one of them, so I sewed it up! and put a patch on it. The top cover straps got trashed one day so I found an old seat belt and adapted it, it has never failed! I lost a rail clip one day so made an aluminium clip to fit. The elastic shock cord snapped so I bought a near identical one from a hardware store. (This happend over nearly 3 decades) I think when travelling you need to be able to fix your items. The panniers are no longer waterproof, but they are still strong, so, I wrap my gear in waterproof inner bags. My next panniers will be Carradice from the uk. Will I still be alive in another thirty years, maybe, but if my arm falls off I can sew it back on!!! Nice video! Thank you!
I bought my Karrimors back in the eighties too. Never assumed they were waterproof, so plastic-bagged everything on trips. Probably will them to my cycling daughter in the end.
I don't even own a car, and I live in the pacific northwest. I ignore if it is raining when I go to the store, or go camping. Ortlieb Roller back, the only choice for me. Mine are red and black and match my bicycle.
My wife and myself we own three pairs of panniers. One is Ortlieb (over 10 yrs now!) and they are exactly as Russ said, bombproof, waterproof, sophisticated hardware. Also we have Thule, same as Ortlieb, just bit heavier. And a third pair is super cheap Decathlon UK panniers. You might think "What, 20£? That can't be good...". Well, maybe not as waterproof as others, but work surprisingly well for a ride around southern Europe. Very light! Simple hardware with velcro, works just fine! Certainly, not to be frowned upon! Russ, thanks for another great video! I love your impartiality and your practical approach. Keep on trucking.
As always, well done and packed with info without rambling. I have Ortlieb QL3-mount commuter panniers that I like a lot. One warning on Ortlieb white though: It yellows slightly (or more than slightly) over time, losing it's beautiful bright white look. I wish they made them in another color I liked.
I have a set of Ortlieb Back Roller Plus w/ QL2 for 25 years and use them every day on touring commuting and grocery runs w/ a Tubus Cargo Rack. I only had to replace two broken buckles and the print-on reflectors partly disappeare. No broken hooks ever, one minor little puncture was easy to repair the PVC free Cordura fabric is really durable but get always dirty.
I know you mentioned that you don't have any Arkel... Arkel is a small Canadian pannier (and other cycle touring bags) manufacturer that makes both water resistant and waterproof bags. As you mention in your video, they have an excellent means of attachment to the rack which comes on their bags, or, you can add to bags you already have. I have brought my 1980s panniers back to life as our backup if our Arkels are full. Arkel panniers are very sturdy, have sturdy zippers and stick to the rack and do not move. They have been my bag of choice for years and have never let me down. As I have chosen the water resistant panniers, I simply roll my clothing in sturdy plastic bags which are labelled with permanent markers.
The season(s) you intend to bike in can also be an important consideration if you're not on the equator. Even for a weekend trip, here in Quebec, if it's in spring or fall (or - egads! - winter), you'll need warm clothes & a warm sleep system (if you're camping), which will mean more volume in your panniers. p.s.: Thanks for not forgetting about us (old style, mostly road) tourers! You guys have a ton of touring experience, so sharing your wisdom on that front is most appreciated. :)
Unless it is summer season on a relatively dry country.Water-proofing is paramount when out in the elements, for weeks on end. Also, overnight humidity/moisture in some countries can be atrocious... Pascal, wondering about the sleep system that you use. I imagine a Quebec-proof sleep system is pretty much warm enough anywhere else. Except for your chilly winters! Would love to know about your setup/tent.
I've been using an old East German military pack as a cheap commuting pannier. I had to insert some structure into the back of the pack (I ended up cutting the lining, inserting a sheet of stiff plastic, sewing the hole, and rewaterproofing) but it comes with clips that I clip right on my cheap-o rack. It mars the paintjob on the rack but for $10 I can deal with that.
After having a few, I'm a fan of simple hook and cord setups. My Ortliebs are great and secure bags, but the attachment system is kind of rattly. Thanks for the video!
Thank you. Even though I hate the idea of delivering fragile things, on a hardtail bike, because the roads in my city are so bad. I am interested in rear rack luggage options, that are waterproof, expandable from a compact profile, and also lockabke, to protect from theft while parked a few minutes, and from being ripped off or forced opened, if I'm attacked by these gangs of migrant teens in NYC now. I can protect the bike from being stolen, and fend off multiple attackers. But durable, antitheft bike luggage would make that a lot easier. Of course, I could build lock boxes onto my bike, but then I couldn't fit my bike in my elevator.
I do prefer my waterproof ortlieb front & back panniers + handle bar bag. But i do have a topeak back pack and third party frame bag as well as a tube top bag. So it’s a bit of a Frankenstein set up. There is no right or wrong. Whatever works for you. It’s all good.
Oh yeah 😎. 20 years ago bought a touring Bike Friday from Green Gear in Seattle. Bought proprietary racks from Bike Friday both where made from ChromeMolly tubing. Pleasant surprise 😮 ☺ 😌.
Last year I splashed out on the Tailfin rack and pannier system for my road bike. Whilst expensive, it is very well built and lightweight. It is a dream for commuting and bikepacking.
Thank you, great information. I would like to see a similar video, but covering handlebar bags. I know that you have a ton of content on individual bags, but maybe a video covering something like "I'd recommend this bag for a 60 gravel ride, this bag for commuting, this bag for touring". That type of thing. Just an idea. I appreciate your channel as I'm getting into cycling and focusing on gravel. Tanks.
When you cover that topic, could you say something about when you might chose a large rando bag vs. panniers, and whether you’d use a rando bag for long distance touring?
Paneer is a type of cheese popular in India. Little known in this country. Easy to make. Milk and a little lemon juice. Recommended! Femtoniche product: panniers specifically designed for making and carrying paneer. Paneer pannier.
Excellent information... I sprayed Scotch Guard on the underside (side next to the wheel) of the bag and still double-bagged certain items like the computer and phone. Thanks for a great review and I will definitely be looking up some of the companies you mentioned.
I just got the Ortlieb Gravel Pack panniers after watching your review. Wasn’t so concerned with the lightweight element as I have a surly disc trucker so weight isn’t the issue. I was drawn to the smaller capacity and profile and also the option to use as either a front or rear pannier. Plus the material, construction and mounting are top notch!
I, too, have tried several brands and Ortlieb is def the most waterproof, but that's because they use a PVC coating on the PD620 and PS490 poly material, and trunk bags are all PVC. I never use them for food unless food is in a secondary container. I def use them all the rainy commute months in Oregon. They can't be beat. I prefer other smaller company bags for everything else, especially Rogue Panda, Swift and Revelate, and Randi Jo, and Bedrock and Oveja Negra...GAH! I have too many bags! I'll take those nanno panniers if you don't want them. Been wanting them for a long time. N+1 :-0) Great video...and yes, that pronunciation is the best, imo.
How is thinking ahead about WEATHER in any way "paranoid"? Mitigating the misery of being wet through the night is just sensible. Water can also ruin your expensive electronics, so... What about applying waterproofing compounds on your fave small maker "paneers"? I use Ortlieb, natürlich...😄
I use the Topeak MTX DXP Trunk Bag for daily use, easy to slide off the top of the pannier rack when I leave the bike locked up, then with the panniers unfolded I find it quite enough, along with front roll and frame bag, for my bike packing needs. I also bought the rain cover which is a one piece that covers the whole bag and panniers.
This got me thinking. Do I really need my panier bag to be more waterproof than my ebike? No. My ebike has been through hours and hours of rides through heavy rain, and it's still working fine. I also just found out after modding my ebike that there's literally a hole in the bottom of my ebike for cords to loosely fit through where the motor controller sits. Even after all the puddles I've splashed through, it hasn't caused any water damage to my electrical components. I wouldn't ride it through a river, however.
I recently bought the Carradice Carradry Rear bags which, in my view, should prove superior to Ortlieb for the following reasons: while 100% waterproof it has a top lid instead of roll opening which is not a pain to open 20 times a day while touring. If has very useful glued-on back pockets. The mounting bar is made of aluminium, not plastic, so it does not deform with weight. Unique exterior top straps allow you to strap a tent or sleeping mat over each bag. It has a handle on the lid itself for balanced carriage, as opposed to only behind the lid. Totally adjustable clips. Inside zipped pocket. Large volume but not too thick so you can push the bike without it getting in the way. Much cheaper than Ortlieb.
I agree with your comments. I have the full Carradry set. Not happy about the reinforcement material used, whether they can be repaired, absence of a proper red yield symbol, or the absence of trunk pack and other bags in that range.
@@SC-hk6ui I was commenting only on the Carradry rear panniers, I don't know about their other products. Whether they can be repaired? Can Ortlieb be repaired? Im sure it is similar fabric. Basically I am saying is that people shop what"s in style, be it bicycles, cars, clothes, whatever, they follow the crowd. Often you can find good quality/price stuff elsewhere.
@@antoniocruz8083 I'm a bit worried about the plastic panels at the bottom snapping off and rendering them unfixable. Lots of other companies have higher quality bevelled edges to prevent this. I'm also dubious that they provide very much spray protection unless packed full, because you can literally get your hands into the gaps at the lid. They have two massive strengths. The fabric is exceptional, as you point out, and the rails and hooks look fairly robust. But unlike other products they do not have the bolts to release the backing board, and if the pins fail, then they would be difficult to repair. I have the rear ones too. Comparing these to Ortliebs, I cannot get over these design choices. I'm not worried about fashion either. I also prefer the feet that you get with something like Altura, and I think this is something that again lets down the product, but conversely, this is way better than Ortlieb. I'm not entirely disappointed, but I do feel at this juncture that they are worse in terms of durability, spray protection, and repair than compared to Ortliebs. The Ortiebs can be repaired if you remove the reinforcement plate using the bolts, and they offer full spray protection, and my view is that they are less likely to break where the flimsy plastic sheet is located on the bottom. I am still happy enough with the Carradry range, and I have written to Carradice making a few suggestions, but they have not replied. I'll probably do a video on them after a few thousand miles. They are nylon reinforced PVC, and I believe that the Ortliebs are PU coated nylon. Altura tends to double sew all of their bags. The Carradry ones are single sewn in places, especially around the drawstring, which doesn't look waterproof anyway, and this certainly lets them down. I do not think they are very environmentally sustainable either. To me they are 50% hit and 50% miss. They are still great bags for me, and I think they were the right choice, but they do leave me a little bit nervous. For the price, they are fairly good, but the whole design needs updating, and somebody needs to put a bit of pressure on Carradice to make them better. If not, there needs to be a few more videos highlighting these points. For most of my tours they should be okay, but if they get clipped and the plastic panel breaks, then I will be in trouble. For a repair kit, you can get patched for about £3 that match and are designed for inflatable swimming pools. I would recommend taking them with you in case they fail.
good video , however you failed to mention and explain the attachment system of the ortliebs , they can be securely mounted in less than a second once they are set up properly and they don't fall off ever, unlike others with the simple hook system which at least need a bungee to keep them on the bike
Had a horrible experience with a strap system pannier (more than likely due to my inexperience at the time) so I opted out for front and rear loaders. Thanks for the video by the way
I really wanted ortalibe back packer for the easy lid access but I couldn't justify the expense so opted for a pair of Altura Arran 2 36 Liter at less than half the cost . They look great and clip on just like ortalibe they are not fully waterproof but I don't mind .
I have a pair of Arkel DryLites for long training rides. They are very lightweight with a slim profile and plenty of room to stow layers, snacks and extra water. To adress the convern about Ortlieb made with PVC (toxicity concern for close contact with food) that someone commented on below: some of the Ortlieb panniers are made with polyurethane rather than PVC. Be sure to compare the products. :-)
Good talking points. I was going crazy trying to determine a good commuting bag that had extra room just in case so started with a Roswheel saddle bag and clip on messenger bag. Was cheap looking but it did hold up. Only complaint was it sagged everywhere on turns and that would shift weight. After that I realized I liked having two bag but not necessarily all the time so I picked up an Iberra dual bag pannier and love that if I only need one I can use just one and leave the other at home. I do find myself switching between backpack and panniers some days. Right now I’m trying to go as minimal as possible for my ride to work so I’m using an old deviant art camera bag that’s just big enough for essentials. Which is great at keeping weight down but leaves me without room for anything else. 🤷🏻♂️ I also wish I could find a tool bag that I can easily attach and remove instead of keeping them in my commuting bag.
Best panniers I have used are the old old Cannondale panniers from late 70s early 80s. They had an internal 3D frame so they could not sag, kept their shape like a carry-on suitcase. This also made for a large flat area on top flush with the rack for stacking up with gear. They were fairly lightweight, with hook+bungies. This was from before Cannondale even made bicycles. Does anyone make internal-frame panniers any more? They all seem to be saggy/puffy type nowadays. I mainly go light now with tailbag+frame bag, but if I was going on a long trip, I'd try to find some vintage Cannondale panniers.
Just wondering, how would you need less stuff on a weekend trip , than a indefinite trip ? Bedding , tent , cooking , tools , spares , clothing , the only different imo is seasonal differences, cold weather means bulkier loads, hot weather less bulk more weight , water
Why didnt you mention panniers from Jandd? I have a set and they are pretty bomb proof, and some what adjustable, at least hook wise. I also have a set of Arkel panniers and they have served me well for 11 years, they need some zipper work now, but the bag itself is still going strong. 11 years ago when I got my recumbent bike and put a under seat rack on it, I noticed that only two companies made panniers for that type of rack, Arkel and one other that I cant remember. So I made my own. Using two military style butt pack bags, some pegboard metal hooks and bungee cord, they too have served me well. So if you are a tinker and thinker, you might try making your own panniers. Its not that hard, and you will save money.
I’m sure they’re great. Don’t have any currently so can’t really speak to them. The point wasn’t to mention every pannier in existence but things to consider.
I went once on a tour in Norway and rented some ortliebs. I didn’t liked them. The handlebar bag top was hard to open and close and i was doing this often to get out my camera. The back panniers were also hard to open with their roll system. For some years i had my own build and took advantage of all the curves on the bike but they are kind of broken now. I’m looking now at decathlon, they have some nice ones from Elops without roll system, only problem is they are black and does not help with being seen
I've had a pair of ortleib's for 6 or 7 years. Very good panniers but yes the buckles failed on both mine after 2 or 3 years. I replaced them, but I expected better for the price & given ortleib's reputation
I have had a set of Ortleib standard yellows for years, i do everything with my bike, 100% car free so the bags were great and in some cases more space was needed so a Burley trailer was added to the mix. A few months ago, problem...I lost 1! We were moving and i dont know, it was gone. Do I go for a whole new set or is there someplace selling single bags (yellow backroll classic) I was very happy seeing this video, your content is always spot on, and i trust your opinion. watching now
Thank you for taking the time to explain all this. I looked at many brands and decided Ortlieb is the way to go. As a first time pannier buyer I looked at warranty which all the reviewers have chosen to omit in their reviews. Ortlieb obviously being the industry leader has only 5 yrs whilst brands like Canadian Arkel, British Restrap and US Tuimbuk2 all have lifetime warranty. Isn't the warranty aspect worth a mention or does it not make a difference? I am asking as you have obvoiulsy put a lot of panniers to the test by means of real world use.
...”We are the Knights that say niche”! Among the other words I don’t say; kit (it’s god damn gear), cassette (it’s a god damn gear set), and worst of all... saddle (it’s a god damn seat!), who’s with me? Riot against the establishment! All humor implied 🤣🤣
I tried various paneers on my bike during tours but the smell kept attracting dogs and raccoons. Once, though, I stumbled across a patch of wild spinach and the two mixed up into a great dish when seasoned with a touch of garam masala, ginger, and onion powder.
Straps, Buckles, Velcros and buttons systems on any material tend to crap out after several uses or years on any type of material. Your best bet is zipper. Depending on the quality and material.
Vaude has also paniers like ortlieb. My next paniers will be from them. Their panniers are the same (price and quality) in everyway but have more ways to store stuff in and attach to . I hate it when my keys wiggle their way to the bottom. And i had some problems with one panier from ortlieb but what do you expect from Belgian cobble stones. ;-) (Lost a screw and hook not at the same time! )
Very good points. Based on my style of riding (commuting) and the fact that I'm a weather weenie, I went with Axiom's Seymour Oceanweave 25 L bags, and they're *perfect*. Large enough to carry all my stuff, and quite water resistant. At $69, the price was right too. Just wish they had more colors. #firstworldproblems.
The Axioms are really good. I agree. We mostly mountain bike tour using panniers. We've found more weight on the back of the bike is best, especially for climbing traction and also steering. But we also use Anything style rolltop waterproof bags on the fork stanchions with less weight. Having everything cinched tight and secure is paramount for trail riding. In practice the extra width of panniers is acceptable except for hike a bike. In-line set ups lack volume for cargo. Huge seat bags don't work with a lot of rear suspension and seat droppers.
I said to heck with the hefty price tag of Ortliebs and went with Vaude panniers. They cost on average $50 USD less and are very similar in quality. I've taken many tours with mine and they are great. I've seen most Ortlieb models out there and there is very little difference between them.
For mountain biking, for rough trail riding, we can be clear ... A properly installed Ortlieb attachment system will never come off ... A bungee reliant system will always come off.
Russ, what is the rear rack that you use/show in your videos? It looks like you can strap something on top and add panniers. I've shopped around and haven't seen one like yours.
Is Fanwu a good pannier brand? I'm a casual biker looking to replace my car for as many of my daily errands as I can, so I want something with a lot of capacity for grocery trips. I'm not familiar with that brand but they have a 50L twin pannier that sells for about $50 on most retailers I can find, which is an impressive deal considering I paid twice as much for an REI pannier with half of the capacity. I just don't want to get something low-quality that's going to rip or fail on me within a year.
If in the EU, it is definitely worth checking out Red Cycling Products bags. They got both water resistant, as well as waterproof, bags. And they do not cost an arm and a leg.
I tried them, but honestly, they only work if you don't need something sturdy. I had the big seatpack, and after two medium tours (~300km with a bit of offroad) almost half of the stitching came loose. Replaced it with the Ortlieb Seat Pack L, that one still stands strong after 3 years! You get what you pay for!
@@finnibat Sorry to hear that. My pair of Urban Twin Carry bags held up just fine for a 14 day 900 km ride last year, as well as making do for normal daily use around where I live. I guess they got different brackets of quality within their assortment. I also use their stems (works fine) and their suspension seatpost (in-line) and have had zero problems. This year I am torn between bike touring or sea kayaking - I can only fit one of those activities into my schedule.
Oh yeah 😎. Is Bruce Gordon and his tubular chrome/Molly rear racks and front low-rider racks still available?😳 🤔 👀 Most world 🌎 bicycle 🚲 🚴♂️ 🚵♂️ 🚳 travelers/riders have troubles eventually with their aluminum luggage 🧳 🛄 racks BREAKING. Steel, i.e. chrome/Molly can be repaired/welded by anyone with a simple torch. ♥ Aluminum requires TIG i.e. HeliArc with inert gas atmosphere to repair. Backyard torch (using acetylene) wether in Mexico 🇲🇽 or Pakistan 🇵🇰 can be an easy repair. TIG (HeliArc) might only be available at the Nuclear Reactor. 🤔 😀
Have you thought about reviewing vaude panniers and that's that's what I had when I was riding mountain bikes I still have the panniers what I like about them is that the backside is hard on them and gives for a lot of support doesn't bulge out or anything and they're really good panniers and you don't really see much on Me TH-cam about them and I don't understand why when I bought mine you never heard I mean you never heard of any other type of panniers you know this is back in the early 90s so you just never heard of them vaude the only thing that was around well at least it's all I heard of
Great info, I bought Ortliebs based on your review a while back. Your pronunciation panniers is just fine btw, who gives phuck! I was also really interested in your strap vid, great info. Keep painting!
Hi, I'm soon to be the owner of a R&M Nevo3 GT Rohloff and wondering what is recommended for a waterproof bag that'll sit securely on top of the supplied luggage rack quick release system. Any idea's? For the side panniers I'm going with a set of Ortliebs Backrollers 70L
When you have a front rack, and both front panniers loaded, how do you keep the front wheel and handlebars stable? Mine always turns so hard to one side or the other and sometimes the bike will tip over. So 2nd question: Your opinion on good kickstands for when you're fully loaded? I currently am using the two foot version from velo orange. Thank you for your help and the great channel!
Hi, Ross. I live in Brazil and I have a pair of MSX Mainstream model SL 55CX, totally watertight, resistant to water and dust, and extremely resistant. I am curious about a detail: I know the brand here in Brazil, but when I ask other cyclists and "evaluators" of products of Europe regarding the brand, the answer is always this: I do not know, I do not have ... why it will be ? It is a German brand with several high quality cycling products, including recently launched a model of saddle bag. Why this lack of knowledge or lack of interest in knowing? I'm sorry, but even your answer below was in the same tone. It would be interesting to analyze the brand. Thanks for sharing your reviews. Fernando Morado, Brasil
To be completely honest, a lot of the lack of interest is time and access. In order to review products it usually takes hours of emails, searching for PR contacts, shipping etc. If there is no US distributor then that may take even longer or they may not ship at all because of costs. Then I would have wasted all that time in writing emails. If they do agree, then there is the time in testing the product and then filming and then editing. So to review a single product can take up to atleast 20 hours of time, of which I am not getting paid.
It's because sometimes I get the impression that some analysis of other people's Ortlieb may not be sincere. I have an Ortlieb bag and I do not like it very much. It does not appear to be very sturdy, as well as being very difficult to install and handle. However, everyone says it's the best all-weather handlebars.
It's interesting, the large panniers go on the back and the small panniers go on the front, but yet they tell you to distribute your weight 60/40 . 60 in front 40 in back. So shouldn't the large bags go in the front and the small bags in the back? Weird.
You know you’re dealing with bike neurds when you have to preface your video with an explanation of how you’re going to pronounce the item’s name. Next video: “You might be a bike neurd if...” a la Jeff Foxworthy.
Hi, I'm researching Panniers to fit on a Child's bike - 24" wheels. I was wondering about your thoughts on using the of: Azur Commuter Rear Pannier Set?
I bought a set of Vincita bags on amazon that seemed a little small to me, those would definitely fit a 24 inch ok...or maybe check out a front set? thats about what I figured I'd use the ones I got for. There not bad for 25 bux and come with a rain fly.
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very impotant for the waterproof ortlieb panniers is the fact that they dont leak so you can fill them up with ice and beer for your hot summer trip.
Well said
Oh yeah 😎. The Strictly Medicinal Adult Beverages. 👍 No doubt about the in my mind. 😌 Excellent.
Arkel is also a good brand if you live in Canada. Their panniers are water-proof, and I have used them for 5+ years, and they are still going strong.
I used one of my Ortlieb as a bucket for getting water from a creek to put out a camp fire.
Sold.
I have been using my Karrimor Iberian panniers since late 1980. About twenty years ago my dog chewed a hole in one of them, so I sewed it up! and put a patch on it. The top cover straps got trashed one day so I found an old seat belt and adapted it, it has never failed! I lost a rail clip one day so made an aluminium clip to fit. The elastic shock cord snapped so I bought a near identical one from a hardware store. (This happend over nearly 3 decades) I think when travelling you need to be able to fix your items. The panniers are no longer waterproof, but they are still strong, so, I wrap my gear in waterproof inner bags. My next panniers will be Carradice from the uk. Will I still be alive in another thirty years, maybe, but if my arm falls off I can sew it back on!!!
Nice video! Thank you!
I bought my Karrimors back in the eighties too. Never assumed they were waterproof, so plastic-bagged everything on trips. Probably will them to my cycling daughter in the end.
I don't even own a car, and I live in the pacific northwest. I ignore if it is raining when I go to the store, or go camping. Ortlieb Roller back, the only choice for me. Mine are red and black and match my bicycle.
My wife and myself we own three pairs of panniers. One is Ortlieb (over 10 yrs now!) and they are exactly as Russ said, bombproof, waterproof, sophisticated hardware. Also we have Thule, same as Ortlieb, just bit heavier.
And a third pair is super cheap Decathlon UK panniers. You might think "What, 20£? That can't be good...". Well, maybe not as waterproof as others, but work surprisingly well for a ride around southern Europe. Very light! Simple hardware with velcro, works just fine! Certainly, not to be frowned upon!
Russ, thanks for another great video! I love your impartiality and your practical approach. Keep on trucking.
As always, well done and packed with info without rambling. I have Ortlieb QL3-mount commuter panniers that I like a lot. One warning on Ortlieb white though: It yellows slightly (or more than slightly) over time, losing it's beautiful bright white look. I wish they made them in another color I liked.
One pair of orliebs panniers I got 12 years of constant daily use before they started to fail (tearing at corners).
I have a set of Ortlieb Back Roller Plus w/ QL2 for 25 years and use them every day on touring commuting and grocery runs w/ a Tubus Cargo Rack. I only had to replace two broken buckles and the print-on reflectors partly disappeare. No broken hooks ever, one minor little puncture was easy to repair the PVC free Cordura fabric is really durable but get always dirty.
Thank you for opening up my mind to cheaper panier options. I do only really need water resistance not waterproof-ness.
I know you mentioned that you don't have any Arkel... Arkel is a small Canadian pannier (and other cycle touring bags) manufacturer that makes both water resistant and waterproof bags. As you mention in your video, they have an excellent means of attachment to the rack which comes on their bags, or, you can add to bags you already have. I have brought my 1980s panniers back to life as our backup if our Arkels are full. Arkel panniers are very sturdy, have sturdy zippers and stick to the rack and do not move. They have been my bag of choice for years and have never let me down. As I have chosen the water resistant panniers, I simply roll my clothing in sturdy plastic bags which are labelled with permanent markers.
I love Arkels
They also come with additional weight!
The season(s) you intend to bike in can also be an important consideration if you're not on the equator. Even for a weekend trip, here in Quebec, if it's in spring or fall (or - egads! - winter), you'll need warm clothes & a warm sleep system (if you're camping), which will mean more volume in your panniers. p.s.: Thanks for not forgetting about us (old style, mostly road) tourers! You guys have a ton of touring experience, so sharing your wisdom on that front is most appreciated. :)
Unless it is summer season on a relatively dry country.Water-proofing is paramount when out in the elements, for weeks on end.
Also, overnight humidity/moisture in some countries can be atrocious...
Pascal, wondering about the sleep system that you use. I imagine a Quebec-proof sleep system is pretty much warm enough anywhere else.
Except for your chilly winters!
Would love to know about your setup/tent.
I've been using an old East German military pack as a cheap commuting pannier. I had to insert some structure into the back of the pack (I ended up cutting the lining, inserting a sheet of stiff plastic, sewing the hole, and rewaterproofing) but it comes with clips that I clip right on my cheap-o rack. It mars the paintjob on the rack but for $10 I can deal with that.
After having a few, I'm a fan of simple hook and cord setups. My Ortliebs are great and secure bags, but the attachment system is kind of rattly. Thanks for the video!
Thank you.
Even though I hate the idea of delivering fragile things, on a hardtail bike, because the roads in my city are so bad. I am interested in rear rack luggage options, that are waterproof, expandable from a compact profile, and also lockabke, to protect from theft while parked a few minutes, and from being ripped off or forced opened, if I'm attacked by these gangs of migrant teens in NYC now. I can protect the bike from being stolen, and fend off multiple attackers. But durable, antitheft bike luggage would make that a lot easier. Of course, I could build lock boxes onto my bike, but then I couldn't fit my bike in my elevator.
I do prefer my waterproof ortlieb front & back panniers + handle bar bag. But i do have a topeak back pack and third party frame bag as well as a tube top bag. So it’s a bit of a Frankenstein set up. There is no right or wrong. Whatever works for you. It’s all good.
Oh yeah 😎. 20 years ago bought a touring Bike Friday from Green Gear in Seattle. Bought proprietary racks from Bike Friday both where made from ChromeMolly tubing. Pleasant surprise 😮 ☺ 😌.
Last year I splashed out on the Tailfin rack and pannier system for my road bike. Whilst expensive, it is very well built and lightweight. It is a dream for commuting and bikepacking.
Thank you, great information. I would like to see a similar video, but covering handlebar bags. I know that you have a ton of content on individual bags, but maybe a video covering something like "I'd recommend this bag for a 60 gravel ride, this bag for commuting, this bag for touring". That type of thing. Just an idea. I appreciate your channel as I'm getting into cycling and focusing on gravel. Tanks.
That’s in the works too!
When you cover that topic, could you say something about when you might chose a large rando bag vs. panniers, and whether you’d use a rando bag for long distance touring?
Paneer is a type of cheese popular in India. Little known in this country. Easy to make. Milk and a little lemon juice. Recommended!
Femtoniche product: panniers specifically designed for making and carrying paneer. Paneer pannier.
Yep, Papak Paneer is definitely one of my favorite meals in Indian restaurants 😅
Excellent information... I sprayed Scotch Guard on the underside (side next to the wheel) of the bag and still double-bagged certain items like the computer and phone. Thanks for a great review and I will definitely be looking up some of the companies you mentioned.
I just got the Ortlieb Gravel Pack panniers after watching your review. Wasn’t so concerned with the lightweight element as I have a surly disc trucker so weight isn’t the issue. I was drawn to the smaller capacity and profile and also the option to use as either a front or rear pannier. Plus the material, construction and mounting are top notch!
I have 8000km on my Ortlieb Gravel Pack panniers and i love them. I wouldn't even consider any other pannier at this point in time
Nice, I havent put any miles on mine yet but Im looking forward to it!
I, too, have tried several brands and Ortlieb is def the most waterproof, but that's because they use a PVC coating on the PD620 and PS490 poly material, and trunk bags are all PVC. I never use them for food unless food is in a secondary container. I def use them all the rainy commute months in Oregon. They can't be beat. I prefer other smaller company bags for everything else, especially Rogue Panda, Swift and Revelate, and Randi Jo, and Bedrock and Oveja Negra...GAH! I have too many bags! I'll take those nanno panniers if you don't want them. Been wanting them for a long time. N+1 :-0) Great video...and yes, that pronunciation is the best, imo.
Let's use the german word "Gepäckträgertaschen" instead of panniers. Good luck with that one!
Going to start calling them "bikey bags" from now on :)
LOL!
Hahahaha!
How is thinking ahead about WEATHER in any way "paranoid"? Mitigating the misery of being wet through the night is just sensible. Water can also ruin your expensive electronics, so... What about applying waterproofing compounds on your fave small maker "paneers"?
I use Ortlieb, natürlich...😄
Spelled "smartypants" but pronounced.... :)
Vaude has a great line of panniers. They're very similar to Ortliebs and cost a little less.
Ortlieb! Expensive, but long-lasting, waterproof, excellent!
I paid $2300 for a second hand hand bag, i don't consider Ortlieb to be expensive
I use the Topeak MTX DXP Trunk Bag for daily use, easy to slide off the top of the pannier rack when I leave the bike locked up, then with the panniers unfolded I find it quite enough, along with front roll and frame bag, for my bike packing needs. I also bought the rain cover which is a one piece that covers the whole bag and panniers.
This got me thinking. Do I really need my panier bag to be more waterproof than my ebike? No. My ebike has been through hours and hours of rides through heavy rain, and it's still working fine. I also just found out after modding my ebike that there's literally a hole in the bottom of my ebike for cords to loosely fit through where the motor controller sits. Even after all the puddles I've splashed through, it hasn't caused any water damage to my electrical components. I wouldn't ride it through a river, however.
I recently bought the Carradice Carradry Rear bags which, in my view, should prove superior to Ortlieb for the following reasons: while 100% waterproof it has a top lid instead of roll opening which is not a pain to open 20 times a day while touring. If has very useful glued-on back pockets. The mounting bar is made of aluminium, not plastic, so it does not deform with weight. Unique exterior top straps allow you to strap a tent or sleeping mat over each bag. It has a handle on the lid itself for balanced carriage, as opposed to only behind the lid. Totally adjustable clips. Inside zipped pocket. Large volume but not too thick so you can push the bike without it getting in the way. Much cheaper than Ortlieb.
I agree with your comments. I have the full Carradry set. Not happy about the reinforcement material used, whether they can be repaired, absence of a proper red yield symbol, or the absence of trunk pack and other bags in that range.
@@SC-hk6ui I was commenting only on the Carradry rear panniers, I don't know about their other products. Whether they can be repaired? Can Ortlieb be repaired? Im sure it is similar fabric. Basically I am saying is that people shop what"s in style, be it bicycles, cars, clothes, whatever, they follow the crowd. Often you can find good quality/price stuff elsewhere.
@@antoniocruz8083 I'm a bit worried about the plastic panels at the bottom snapping off and rendering them unfixable. Lots of other companies have higher quality bevelled edges to prevent this. I'm also dubious that they provide very much spray protection unless packed full, because you can literally get your hands into the gaps at the lid. They have two massive strengths. The fabric is exceptional, as you point out, and the rails and hooks look fairly robust. But unlike other products they do not have the bolts to release the backing board, and if the pins fail, then they would be difficult to repair. I have the rear ones too. Comparing these to Ortliebs, I cannot get over these design choices. I'm not worried about fashion either. I also prefer the feet that you get with something like Altura, and I think this is something that again lets down the product, but conversely, this is way better than Ortlieb. I'm not entirely disappointed, but I do feel at this juncture that they are worse in terms of durability, spray protection, and repair than compared to Ortliebs. The Ortiebs can be repaired if you remove the reinforcement plate using the bolts, and they offer full spray protection, and my view is that they are less likely to break where the flimsy plastic sheet is located on the bottom. I am still happy enough with the Carradry range, and I have written to Carradice making a few suggestions, but they have not replied. I'll probably do a video on them after a few thousand miles. They are nylon reinforced PVC, and I believe that the Ortliebs are PU coated nylon. Altura tends to double sew all of their bags. The Carradry ones are single sewn in places, especially around the drawstring, which doesn't look waterproof anyway, and this certainly lets them down. I do not think they are very environmentally sustainable either. To me they are 50% hit and 50% miss. They are still great bags for me, and I think they were the right choice, but they do leave me a little bit nervous. For the price, they are fairly good, but the whole design needs updating, and somebody needs to put a bit of pressure on Carradice to make them better. If not, there needs to be a few more videos highlighting these points. For most of my tours they should be okay, but if they get clipped and the plastic panel breaks, then I will be in trouble. For a repair kit, you can get patched for about £3 that match and are designed for inflatable swimming pools. I would recommend taking them with you in case they fail.
good video , however you failed to mention and explain the attachment system of the ortliebs , they can be securely mounted in less than a second once they are set up properly and they don't fall off ever, unlike others with the simple hook system which at least need a bungee to keep them on the bike
Had a horrible experience with a strap system pannier (more than likely due to my inexperience at the time) so I opted out for front and rear loaders.
Thanks for the video by the way
I really wanted ortalibe back packer for the easy lid access but I couldn't justify the expense so opted for a pair of Altura Arran 2 36 Liter at less than half the cost . They look great and clip on just like ortalibe they are not fully waterproof but I don't mind .
You can spray the material with 3M for weatherproof as well...
I have a pair of Arkel DryLites for long training rides. They are very lightweight with a slim profile and plenty of room to stow layers, snacks and extra water. To adress the convern about Ortlieb made with PVC (toxicity concern for close contact with food) that someone commented on below: some of the Ortlieb panniers are made with polyurethane rather than PVC. Be sure to compare the products. :-)
Good talking points. I was going crazy trying to determine a good commuting bag that had extra room just in case so started with a Roswheel saddle bag and clip on messenger bag. Was cheap looking but it did hold up. Only complaint was it sagged everywhere on turns and that would shift weight. After that I realized I liked having two bag but not necessarily all the time so I picked up an Iberra dual bag pannier and love that if I only need one I can use just one and leave the other at home. I do find myself switching between backpack and panniers some days. Right now I’m trying to go as minimal as possible for my ride to work so I’m using an old deviant art camera bag that’s just big enough for essentials. Which is great at keeping weight down but leaves me without room for anything else. 🤷🏻♂️ I also wish I could find a tool bag that I can easily attach and remove instead of keeping them in my commuting bag.
I have used Ortlieb (Bikepacker/Sportpacker Classics with four clip-on pockets) for the past 17 years. Really very little to fault with them.
Another good video. So the bike packing folks are going down the pannier route to supplement their luggage options - interesting!
Great overview
Good to hear the bungee cord systeem is good. Crosso uses that system on some of their bike bags.
Best panniers I have used are the old old Cannondale panniers from late 70s early 80s. They had an internal 3D frame so they could not sag, kept their shape like a carry-on suitcase. This also made for a large flat area on top flush with the rack for stacking up with gear. They were fairly lightweight, with hook+bungies. This was from before Cannondale even made bicycles. Does anyone make internal-frame panniers any more? They all seem to be saggy/puffy type nowadays. I mainly go light now with tailbag+frame bag, but if I was going on a long trip, I'd try to find some vintage Cannondale panniers.
Gotta set of dem cannondale overland panniers, got mine in 2001,, still holding up,, wish they still made em 🚲
Just wondering, how would you need less stuff on a weekend trip , than a indefinite trip ? Bedding , tent , cooking , tools , spares , clothing , the only different imo is seasonal differences, cold weather means bulkier loads, hot weather less bulk more weight , water
Im having trouble finding a durable but BREATHABLE bag, so not waterproof 😅 i can always throw in a cheap drybag for certain things
Why didnt you mention panniers from Jandd? I have a set and they are pretty bomb proof, and some what adjustable, at least hook wise. I also have a set of Arkel panniers and they have served me well for 11 years, they need some zipper work now, but the bag itself is still going strong. 11 years ago when I got my recumbent bike and put a under seat rack on it, I noticed that only two companies made panniers for that type of rack, Arkel and one other that I cant remember. So I made my own. Using two military style butt pack bags, some pegboard metal hooks and bungee cord, they too have served me well. So if you are a tinker and thinker, you might try making your own panniers. Its not that hard, and you will save money.
I’m sure they’re great. Don’t have any currently so can’t really speak to them. The point wasn’t to mention every pannier in existence but things to consider.
I went once on a tour in Norway and rented some ortliebs. I didn’t liked them. The handlebar bag top was hard to open and close and i was doing this often to get out my camera. The back panniers were also hard to open with their roll system. For some years i had my own build and took advantage of all the curves on the bike but they are kind of broken now. I’m looking now at decathlon, they have some nice ones from Elops without roll system, only problem is they are black and does not help with being seen
I've had a pair of ortleib's for 6 or 7 years. Very good panniers but yes the buckles failed on both mine after 2 or 3 years. I replaced them, but I expected better for the price & given ortleib's reputation
I have had a set of Ortleib standard yellows for years, i do everything with my bike, 100% car free so the bags were great and in some cases more space was needed so a Burley trailer was added to the mix. A few months ago, problem...I lost 1! We were moving and i dont know, it was gone. Do I go for a whole new set or is there someplace selling single bags (yellow backroll classic) I was very happy seeing this video, your content is always spot on, and i trust your opinion. watching now
all this time I've been using a GWR 5700 class pannier tank engine.
Always good and a lot of info in this one.
Thank you for taking the time to explain all this. I looked at many brands and decided Ortlieb is the way to go. As a first time pannier buyer I looked at warranty which all the reviewers have chosen to omit in their reviews. Ortlieb obviously being the industry leader has only 5 yrs whilst brands like Canadian Arkel, British Restrap and US Tuimbuk2 all have lifetime warranty. Isn't the warranty aspect worth a mention or does it not make a difference? I am asking as you have obvoiulsy put a lot of panniers to the test by means of real world use.
...”We are the Knights that say niche”!
Among the other words I don’t say; kit (it’s god damn gear), cassette (it’s a god damn gear set), and worst of all... saddle (it’s a god damn seat!), who’s with me? Riot against the establishment!
All humor implied 🤣🤣
NO!!!! Not the knights that say "ni"!!!!!!
Who puts a saddle on a "seat post"
I tried various paneers on my bike during tours but the smell kept attracting dogs and raccoons. Once, though, I stumbled across a patch of wild spinach and the two mixed up into a great dish when seasoned with a touch of garam masala, ginger, and onion powder.
Straps, Buckles, Velcros and buttons systems on any material tend to crap out after several uses or years on any type of material. Your best bet is zipper. Depending on the quality and material.
No link to the ginormous playlist of bag reviews you mentioned :(
Vaude has also paniers like ortlieb. My next paniers will be from them. Their panniers are the same (price and quality) in everyway but have more ways to store stuff in and attach to . I hate it when my keys wiggle their way to the bottom. And i had some problems with one panier from ortlieb but what do you expect from Belgian cobble stones. ;-) (Lost a screw and hook not at the same time! )
Very good points. Based on my style of riding (commuting) and the fact that I'm a weather weenie, I went with Axiom's Seymour Oceanweave 25 L bags, and they're *perfect*. Large enough to carry all my stuff, and quite water resistant. At $69, the price was right too. Just wish they had more colors. #firstworldproblems.
The Axioms are really good. I agree.
We mostly mountain bike tour using panniers. We've found more weight on the back of the bike is best, especially for climbing traction and also steering. But we also use Anything style rolltop waterproof bags on the fork stanchions with less weight. Having everything cinched tight and secure is paramount for trail riding. In practice the extra width of panniers is acceptable except for hike a bike. In-line set ups lack volume for cargo. Huge seat bags don't work with a lot of rear suspension and seat droppers.
I said to heck with the hefty price tag of Ortliebs and went with Vaude panniers. They cost on average $50 USD less and are very similar in quality. I've taken many tours with mine and they are great. I've seen most Ortlieb models out there and there is very little difference between them.
I’ve heard Vaude was started by a former Ortlieb employee?
@@PathLessPedaledTV You could be right. I believe Vaude is a German company as well. They are well known for backpacking and clothing also.
Can you give us a list of cottage companies for panniers and other bike equipment?
Ortlieb forever
awesome man. love your channel. authentic with no bs
Rockgeist are by far the best out there! Buy once!
FYI - Ortlieb 25% off at REI right now.
For mountain biking, for rough trail riding, we can be clear ... A properly installed Ortlieb attachment system will never come off ... A bungee reliant system will always come off.
“Always” come off is a bit of a stretch. A properly adjusted bungee system will never come off.
Thanks so much!
I like Thule panniers.
ever consider a tailfin set up review?
Wondering what the manufacturer is of the metal clipped and bungee bag?
Nice material
Do what the backpackers do...
Insert a large heavy duty compactor trash bag into the pannier of your choosing.
Cheers!
The bags they use for old car batteries at the parts store works awesome too.
And how to fix a pannier on the handlebar?
Some panniers are cheap and can be interchangeable between bicycles.
Russ, what is the rear rack that you use/show in your videos? It looks like you can strap something on top and add panniers. I've shopped around and haven't seen one like yours.
It's a great rack. Have had it for a decade and has been moved from bike to bike. amzn.to/2DE5vk2
Your pronunciation is perfectly correct.
Ibera is great for local roaming
Is Fanwu a good pannier brand? I'm a casual biker looking to replace my car for as many of my daily errands as I can, so I want something with a lot of capacity for grocery trips.
I'm not familiar with that brand but they have a 50L twin pannier that sells for about $50 on most retailers I can find, which is an impressive deal considering I paid twice as much for an REI pannier with half of the capacity. I just don't want to get something low-quality that's going to rip or fail on me within a year.
If in the EU, it is definitely worth checking out Red Cycling Products bags. They got both water resistant, as well as waterproof, bags. And they do not cost an arm and a leg.
I tried them, but honestly, they only work if you don't need something sturdy.
I had the big seatpack, and after two medium tours (~300km with a bit of offroad) almost half of the stitching came loose.
Replaced it with the Ortlieb Seat Pack L, that one still stands strong after 3 years!
You get what you pay for!
@@finnibat Sorry to hear that. My pair of Urban Twin Carry bags held up just fine for a 14 day 900 km ride last year, as well as making do for normal daily use around where I live. I guess they got different brackets of quality within their assortment. I also use their stems (works fine) and their suspension seatpost (in-line) and have had zero problems. This year I am torn between bike touring or sea kayaking - I can only fit one of those activities into my schedule.
Oh yeah 😎. Is Bruce Gordon and his tubular chrome/Molly rear racks and front low-rider racks still available?😳 🤔 👀 Most world 🌎 bicycle 🚲 🚴♂️ 🚵♂️ 🚳 travelers/riders have troubles eventually with their aluminum luggage 🧳 🛄 racks BREAKING. Steel, i.e. chrome/Molly can be repaired/welded by anyone with a simple torch. ♥ Aluminum requires TIG i.e. HeliArc with inert gas atmosphere to repair. Backyard torch (using acetylene) wether in Mexico 🇲🇽 or Pakistan 🇵🇰 can be an easy repair. TIG (HeliArc) might only be available at the Nuclear Reactor. 🤔 😀
Do panniers come with locks? How to protect our valuables?
No they usually don't, but Vaude has a new locable system in their new quick mount release.
@@mmpkao thanks!
Carradice Super C.
Ortlieb for life 🙂
Have you thought about reviewing vaude panniers and that's that's what I had when I was riding mountain bikes I still have the panniers what I like about them is that the backside is hard on them and gives for a lot of support doesn't bulge out or anything and they're really good panniers and you don't really see much on Me TH-cam about them and I don't understand why when I bought mine you never heard I mean you never heard of any other type of panniers you know this is back in the early 90s so you just never heard of them vaude the only thing that was around well at least it's all I heard of
So what do you use to bring the groceries home? How do you keep the bread from getting squashed and the eggs from breaking?
Panniers and careful stacking.
Great info, I bought Ortliebs based on your review a while back. Your pronunciation panniers is just fine btw, who gives phuck! I was also really interested in your strap vid, great info. Keep painting!
Paneer?
Hi, I'm soon to be the owner of a R&M Nevo3 GT Rohloff and wondering what is recommended for a waterproof bag that'll sit securely on top of the supplied luggage rack quick release system. Any idea's? For the side panniers I'm going with a set of Ortliebs Backrollers 70L
I'm a little off subject but have you had a chance to test ride REI's 4.2 ADV bike?
Hi. What brand was shown at 06:39? Can you give the link to your bag playlist? Thanks.
Which pannier was the small camouflage and black one?
3:04 Salvation Mountain
When you have a front rack, and both front panniers loaded, how do you keep the front wheel and handlebars stable? Mine always turns so hard to one side or the other and sometimes the bike will tip over. So 2nd question: Your opinion on good kickstands for when you're fully loaded? I currently am using the two foot version from velo orange. Thank you for your help and the great channel!
They make steering stabilizers for bicycles, it is basically a spring that connects from your down tube to the bottom of your fork.
Hi, Ross. I live in Brazil and I have a pair of MSX Mainstream model SL 55CX, totally watertight, resistant to water and dust, and extremely resistant. I am curious about a detail: I know the brand here in Brazil, but when I ask other cyclists and "evaluators" of products of Europe regarding the brand, the answer is always this: I do not know, I do not have ... why it will be ? It is a German brand with several high quality cycling products, including recently launched a model of saddle bag. Why this lack of knowledge or lack of interest in knowing? I'm sorry, but even your answer below was in the same tone. It would be interesting to analyze the brand. Thanks for sharing your reviews. Fernando Morado, Brasil
To be completely honest, a lot of the lack of interest is time and access. In order to review products it usually takes hours of emails, searching for PR contacts, shipping etc. If there is no US distributor then that may take even longer or they may not ship at all because of costs. Then I would have wasted all that time in writing emails. If they do agree, then there is the time in testing the product and then filming and then editing. So to review a single product can take up to atleast 20 hours of time, of which I am not getting paid.
I see. Thanks for answering.
It's because sometimes I get the impression that some analysis of other people's Ortlieb may not be sincere. I have an Ortlieb bag and I do not like it very much. It does not appear to be very sturdy, as well as being very difficult to install and handle. However, everyone says it's the best all-weather handlebars.
@@fernandomorado8408 depends on the bag. I like some more than others.
Thank you for pronouncing it correctly!!!!
Tour across Texas, what do you suggest?
How fit on tiwn bags on the bike
It's interesting, the large panniers go on the back and the small panniers go on the front, but yet they tell you to distribute your weight 60/40 . 60 in front 40 in back. So shouldn't the large bags go in the front and the small bags in the back? Weird.
Depends how you how you pack. You can have a larger bag that weighs less and a smaller bag that weighs more.
Path Less Pedaled thank you for your reply. Maybe I'll just put the big bags in front and the small bags in back.
i believe that the correct pronunciation is paneer: paˈnɪə. As in the cheese.
It is for 'panier'. NOT pannier! Although one derives from the other, they are nit the same word!
You know you’re dealing with bike neurds when you have to preface your video with an explanation of how you’re going to pronounce the item’s name.
Next video: “You might be a bike neurd if...” a la Jeff Foxworthy.
Hi, I'm researching Panniers to fit on a Child's bike - 24" wheels. I was wondering about your thoughts on using the of: Azur Commuter Rear Pannier Set?
I bought a set of Vincita bags on amazon that seemed a little small to me, those would definitely fit a 24 inch ok...or maybe check out a front set? thats about what I figured I'd use the ones I got for. There not bad for 25 bux and come with a rain fly.
@@chrischeetham1652 Thanks, I'll have a look into it - though travelling will be restricted for a while :(
Criteria for choosing bags: 1. Waterproof, 2. Waterproof, 3. Waterproof
What is the one at 5:30 called with the metal hooks? I want to buy that one.
It's a Swift Industries pannier.
Paneer is Indian cheese curd.
Are you saying “pin-yer”?
Ive never heard a dictionary speak but I have talked to people about panEARs
We did a whole video on how to pronounce that word.
bike bags
Could you tell me the name the front rack at 4:10
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