I bumped into Joel Schumacher when I was visiting Universal Studios and we were in LA on our way there - I was a child and Forever had just come out and I was of course wearing my Batman shirt. I walked up to him and said that Forever was the best Batman film I had ever seen - he turned to me with a huge smile and said “why thank you little man, I’m so glad you enjoyed it!, that means a lot to me” I’ll never forget that moment. Rest in peace Joel 🖤
Just rewatched Batman Forever, forgot how interesting and fun this film was. Val Kilmer is severely underrated!!! Batman forever is completely underrated in my opinion. Thank you Joel Schumacher, Rest In Piece!!
Keaton and Kilmer are my favorite batman and funny thing is when u read the original screenplay or novel u can tell the studios and mcdonald was scared claiming it was too dark. Most of the stuff was re-edit and cut out.
the truth is underrated and the only truth for your sake, is that you are a typical brainless mainstream media fed sheeple. you will go along with what ever the popular mainstream narrative is because you will never have an intellect to think for yourself nor have one original thought
Although Joel got the reception that he did from people, his visual sense of directing was immaculate. What I loved about his Batman films was how colorful, flamboyant, and most importantly FUN. Please don’t forget he himself could only do what Warner Brothers ALLOWED him to do. RIP. Great Director.
I was told years ago about how films are made by investors, as in they have a say in what goes on. This really shows that they did and that's why it was so toyetic!
Don’t care what anyone thinks. The batmobile was sweet as a kid, and the sonar suit is still one of the coolest on screen suits. Returns suit is still my favorite.
I didn't like the batsuit in Returns. I prefered the rough scruffier looking abdominal section on the 1989 suit. Returns was still awesome though. It really complemented the original film.
@@silvervalleystudios2486 The cowl was my problem with the Returns suit. I don't what it is, maybe the ears, but it doesn't look right, whereas the first looked great. Affleck's suit is my favourite though.
BVS is my favorite Batmobile, but when I envision Batman having a fan fic race with Dominic Toretto of The Fast and the Furious franchise, look no further than the 1995 or even 1997!
The RETURNS Suit was the best-looking... it was Practical(armor shell), Form- fitting(instead of fake musculature), cool looking without looking Over the Top. Edit: My Point?-it was believable basically.
@@dbog5214 How could they release the '05 edition with deleted scenes and not put a Director's Cut on it at the same time? Goldenthal's score for the giant bat scene would've been epic
The Version we got had to be pretty close to Joel's vision. He was hired to make it more pop and less dark from the start.. The Writer was acting like the intent was to make it more dark.. That's BS. The studio asked for a lighter Batman..
Yes and maybe the Schumacher cut will include the deleted scenes of Batman forever like when Bruce forgets he’s Batman and a giant bat appears right in front of him
The duality between Bruce Wayne and Batman was what Batman Forever was all about. I think Val Kilmer for sure explored the psychological aspect to the character. The one thing with Carrey's Nygma is that he did play the eccentric type creator obsessed with riddles, but you still had that Jokeresque performance.
Kilmer's Batman and especially his Bruce Wayne are very underrated imo. No offense to Joel Schumacher (RIP) but if he got to work with a director like Christopher Nolan I think he'd be much more fondly remembered.
Thank you!!! I thought I was the only one that noticed this. Batman Forever was all about DUALITY which no other batman film had really tapped into. Val Kilmer really explored the differences and this showed clearly in his relationship with Chase Meridian I think Forever was underated and is the best out of the four films. The action sequences and depth of the story was great.
Batman Forever is harmless fun but lacks deeper depth because of the removed Batman subplot scenes about him losing his memory and finding he needs Batman again. Jim Carry is funny from start to finish in Batman Forever and Val Kilmer is fine. Batman and Robin though suffer from the problem sequels get called excess they take everything that was fun and entertaining from Forever that worked in Forever and overdoes it in B And R. Batman and Robin was trying to capture the spirit of the 6os show but also trying to go even bigger with what worked in Forever. What you end up with is pretty much a movie for dumb children. Batman 1989 and Returns are Burton doing his take a Dark slightly crazy loner Batman that is only slightly less crazy than the villains he chases. Then we got Nolan's Dark realistic take and Snyders more comic book extreme dark take. Now we have Matt Reeves's upcoming Detective thriller noir type, Batman.
Nicole Kidman was so gorgeous in Batman Forever. She was first celeb crush as a kid. Loved Kilmer as Bruce Wayne/Batman he was underrated. Jim Carrey was great as Riddler
Although I walked out of BATMAN and ROBIN, I loved BATMAN FOREVER and still do. To take what Burton did and take it into an entirely refreshing direction was amazing. I don't think Joel Shumacher gets enough credit. Would love to see a restored Joel Shumacher Director's Cut of BATMAN FOREVER.
I really respect Joel for saying he wouldnt direct unless his friend was comfortable with it at 4:18. I will always love batman forever and even hold nostalgia for B&R. (Especially those shexy scores my GOODNESS). Rest in peace, Joel.
I absolutely LOVE Batman forever, grew up with it! At least Val took the role seriously and Jim was a great riddler. As for Batman&Robin.. Well, it’s famously bad but to be fair, it only works as a kid’s film rather than a straight comic book movie
For Christmas two different years I was given the Box Sets of the 4 Batman Movies. I saw every Batman Movie from Batman 89 to The Dark Knight Rises on opening day. Then went back to see them as crowds died down. I want to see a NIGHTWING movie done.
@@onlyone23km Whatever 😉 (though hardly a cinematic masterpiece, I actually prefer this film to the "Disneyquel" Trilogy, Episodes 2 and 3, DAD, QofS, and some others)
The Batsuit is TOTALLY underrated in Batman Forever, FOR SURE!!!!! Bcus in my opinion, Val Kilmer Shining in that Batsuit, is the SEXIEST thing ever in movie/cinema history!!!!!
Joel Schumacher's Batman series weren't the best, but were definitely fun to watch as a kid, the villians stole the show, thoroughly enjoyed watching the goofiness of how they were portrayed, loved the dark gothic feel to the film's, though for me, Batman 1989 and Batman returns did this very well. RIP Joel Schumacher 🙏🌹
Forever had a combination of Burton's darkness and still paid homage to the Adam West series without overdoing it. It worked well. Batman and Robin was just a complete disaster. I cant believe it wasnt rewritten. Who at Warner would have approved that script??? The franchise was on life support by then anyway. Three actors for four Batman movies. They were running out of villains. The storyline had lost its luster. It needed that eight year break and Nolan's vision to bring it back.
Forever was a necessary recovery from Returns. Batman & Robin, on the other hand, I would have preferred the original '66 Dynamic Duo if they were going to camp it up.
Watching this documentary again made me realize where Andy Muchieti was surely inspired for the first appearance of Keaton's Batman Batwing in the next The Flash movie. The way Val Kilmer's batwing is hanging in the batcave is too similar to the way it was shown in the flash trailer, only upside down
I've been waiting for the Director's Cut of this since I first heard of it in 1997 while Batman & Robin was in production...make it happen, WB. Easy money!
Well at least he passed long before either of those movies came out, especially Batman and Robin. Although, it would be interesting to see how different the Batman movies would be if they consulted Bill Finger, or even Jerry Robinson, alongside Kane.
@@sheski4909 Batman Forever is harmless fun but lacks deeper depth because of the removed Batman subplot scenes about him losing his memory and finding he needs Batman again. Jim Carry is funny from start to finish in Batman Forever and Val Kilmer is fine. Batman and Robin though suffer from the problem sequels get called excess they take everything that was fun and entertaining from Forever that worked in Forever and overdoes it in B And R. Batman and Robin was trying to capture the spirit of the 6os show but also trying to go even bigger with what worked in Forever. What you end up with is pretty much a movie for dumb children. Batman 1989 and Returns are Burton doing his take a Dark slightly crazy loner Batman that is only slightly less crazy than the villains he chases. Then we got Nolan's Dark realistic take and Snyders more comic book extreme dark take. Now we have Matt Reeves's upcoming Detective thriller noir type, Batman.
These 2 Batman films are what got me into acting and entertainment. Most people who diss these films over them not being “dark enough” don’t truly understand that Batman has an infinite amount of layers to him, thanks to the many decades he has of existence under his belt. He had both dark AND light stories such as “The Dark Knight Returns”, and “Rainbow Batman”. And as for the Batnipples, bat credit card and neon lit Batmobile? The Batnipples still don’t worry me. In fact I think it adds more detail to what the 1989 suit brought, and the card and Batmobile is still pretty badass! It was my dream to be Tim Drake in a film next to Chris O’Donnell as Nightwing with Michael Gough, Pat Hingle and Joel Schumacher around to help out. Unfortunately, it wasn’t meant to be. Rest In Peace to the latter 3 men. I miss you guys, even though I’ve never met you guys. Y’all are all the reason I have an Associates in acting.
Batman Forever was the first Batman film I seen when I was kid, having spend Sunday mornings watching Adam West. It was like a soft introduction to a dark Batman story. Really got me into the character, thanks Joel RIP
There have been a lot of great villain lines from these films even the Schumacher ones but for some reason one of my favorites is from Danny DeVito in “Batman Returns” when he takes over the bat mobile n says “Welcome to the Oswald Cobblepot school of driving. Gentlemen, start your screaming!”
I love that these films knew what they were trying to be, unlike the newer ones where I feel like there is a complex to what they are trying to be. In the end, these are carnival comic book films an there is nothing wrong with that.
"Batman Forever" is actually very underrated, I think. Sure it was flawed, but it also had a lot of strengths that deserve to be recognized (visuals, set designs, casting, humor, Elliot Goldenthal's awesome musical score, etc.). As a staple of my '90s upbringing I have nothing but fond memories of it. Val wasn't the worst Batman, not at all; in many ways I'd happily rank him amongst the best. As a film "Forever" was definitely misunderstood in its time: it did something different with those characters and that world, Joel was willing to take risks and take the franchise in a new direction, but people weren't necessarily ready yet for Joel's vision. Granted, Burton's films remain superior, and at the time that's what audiences were used to, and all "Forever" tried to do was tweak it and create something much closer to the eccentricity of some of the early comic books. I, for one, appreciate it for just that reason.
@@recordshape2528 always nice to hear compliments about my Deftones profile pic. It reminds me that there's other people out there with taste. I've loved them since Adrenaline (yep I'm getting old😂)
if only tim burton if not lazy when he selected by WB to working make 1989 Batman film and want to cast the actor who was not so well-known at that time George Clooney to become Batman😑😤😑
@Vino from a pure physical point of view, your point is very well taken, I truly would envision Batman being a lil bit taller than Michael was..mind you, tho, when it comes to him donning the cape and cowl, the guy was intimidating af. I'll do you one better dawg: no one in the history could ever top his sinister-looking aura
I will finish what you started Joel Schumacher and I promise you that the Unproduced Batman films will be done justice for the fans for the audiences and for the studios
I've never hated it, but the original script of Batman forever was way better and it got scrapped. I think people were disappointed by what could have been
Batman and Robin is one of the few movies I've ever seen where I laugh so hard and so consistently that I'm crying for most of the run time. Love it or hate it - it's always entertaining to watch
A lot of people would only notice and appreciate (or hate) Batman Forever because of what they see on a surface level. Try to mute the over the top performances of Carey and Jones, see past the colors and the eccentric costumes and sets... this Batman one-off is dark, perhaps even darker and complex than Tim Burton's take on Bruce Wayne's psyche. With Burton, the psychological case studies were his villains, though Michael Keaton's performance still outshines the actors that succeeds him.
I liked Batman Forever as kid and appreciate the unique vision as an adult. It really modernized Batman's campy origins and to this day had some of the most fantastical and whimsical performances/ set pieces I've ever seen. Batman and Robin really got away from them, though.
And because Tim didn't direct Batman Forever, we got the year before, one of my favorite films of all time, Ed Wood! It all worked out in the end. Well, until 1997 that is.
regardless of how you feel about joel’s batman movies, the guy just wanted to make fun batman movies the best way he knew how. you gotta commend him for that. i personally enjoy batman forever. it’s not as strong as tim’s first two but it’s a solid entry. joel’s visual style is otherworldly and val’s batman is pretty underrated honestly. RIP Joel. your contributions to the batman franchise will never be forgotten❤️
batman forever is still my fave of the burton/schumacher batman films, and still is one of my fave batman movies of all time. A solid depiction of Batman that felt close to batman the animated series and the comics at the time. The soundtrack and the score soundtrack was also awesome. Meanwhile, Batman and robin is really just a contemporary homage to the silver age batman comics and the batman'66 tv series. and in a way is just batman brave and the bold personified. Just fun movies when you see them for what they are, let alone, Batman and robin is the first to acknowledge superman, which make it one ofthe first shared universe movies that made the attempt. Really fun for what it is.
Batman Forever is a really beautifully shot film - and entertaining - Joel Schumacher was the right director for the job, especially after Falling Down - RIP - Joel Schumacher
@@icemav5740 Not at all - I generally think in terms of lighting, choice of lens', the variation in camera angles - with the production design - it's very well done. Batman Forever does have its flaws for sure, but its entertaining. And if you haven't seen it, I really recommend Falling Down, thats an amazing film.
@@RobAyling that's an interesting take on it. I just really hate the lighting and the neon colour pallet they went for in these movies. The shot of robin in the suit standing on the rock is great though, it really captures his look and physique very well, but overall imo forever and batman and Robin are just childish jokes
Jim Carrey and his take on The Riddler was, and always will be, absolutely perfect. The Riddler in this movie is also one of the darkest takes on a classic Batman villain, by far. Look at exactly who, and exactly why, Nigma kills who he actually kills in the movie. It's really messed up. 😁
Batman Forever had an amazing story deep down. I want to so Shumacher's original cut. Batman & Robin was still fun but like O'Donnell said, it's a 2 hour long toy commercial. In a different world, in a different script, Clooney couldve been a great Batman/Bruce Wayne.
Batman Forever Is A Classic Warner Bros Superhero Action Adventure Epic Family Movie Of All Time Back In 1995. This Is The Same Year As Disney's Pocahontas Came Out In Theatres On June 16th 1995 And It Was The Highest Grossing Walt Disney Pictures Animated Blockbuster Movie Of All Time And This Is Alan Menken And Stephen Schwartz's First Ever Disney Animated Motion Picture Movie As Well Too. Thanks Mate. X
To this day batman forever remains the best depiction of the absolute fun and all around colorful batman adaptation put to screen. Movie is literally a comic book and it’s beautiful in its own way . Rip shumacher
I still enjoy Batman Forever for what it is. Its not the best Batman movie, but it is one of the most fun to watch. I would rather have a fun movie with flaws than a boring one.
I bumped into Joel Schumacher when I was visiting Universal Studios and we were in LA on our way there - I was a child and Forever had just come out and I was of course wearing my Batman shirt. I walked up to him and said that Forever was the best Batman film I had ever seen - he turned to me with a huge smile and said “why thank you little man, I’m so glad you enjoyed it!, that means a lot to me”
I’ll never forget that moment. Rest in peace Joel 🖤
I wish I could’ve met him.
@@onlyone23km ha ha, no ya don't.
@@plasticweapon why not?
Hahahaha
You have to commend Joel for taking responsibilities for his mistakes. He is just such a nice guy. R.I.P Joel.
Well regardless of how you feel about this movie his heart was in the right place!!
@@arizonaFIREent agreed it’s such a shame that he died may you Rest In Peace Joel Schumacher 🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿🙏🏿
Help us to #releasetheSchumachercut
Rian Johnson would do well to learn from him.
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Just rewatched Batman Forever, forgot how interesting and fun this film was. Val Kilmer is severely underrated!!! Batman forever is completely underrated in my opinion. Thank you Joel Schumacher, Rest In Piece!!
& Robin even twice as much.
Excelente 👏🏻🥳👏🏻!!!!!😇😇😇😇😇😇😇😇🐈🎥🏡
Keaton and Kilmer are my favorite batman and funny thing is when u read the original screenplay or novel u can tell the studios and mcdonald was scared claiming it was too dark. Most of the stuff was re-edit and cut out.
Man really said rest in pieces 😮
the truth is underrated and the only truth for your sake, is that you are a typical brainless mainstream media fed sheeple. you will go along with what ever the popular mainstream narrative is because you will never have an intellect to think for yourself nor have one original thought
Rest in peace, Joel Schumacher.
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#ReleaseTheSchumacherCut
Although Joel got the reception that he did from people, his visual sense of directing was immaculate. What I loved about his Batman films was how colorful, flamboyant, and most importantly FUN. Please don’t forget he himself could only do what Warner Brothers ALLOWED him to do.
RIP. Great Director.
Yeah but WB got too much invold they should have let Joel do his thing
"You'd have to be an idiot not to like Jim Carrey."
13:00 Cut to Tommy Lee Jones...
an alien*
that whole segment was shots fired
it rubbed SOME people the wrong way as if he was stealing the show 😂
psychology at the highest levels
battle of the juggernaut egos
This documentary is great because it highlights how great forever could have been and how Batman And Robin was doomed from the start
Parents bashing Batman Returns didn’t help.
I was told years ago about how films are made by investors, as in they have a say in what goes on.
This really shows that they did and that's why it was so toyetic!
Don’t care what anyone thinks. The batmobile was sweet as a kid, and the sonar suit is still one of the coolest on screen suits. Returns suit is still my favorite.
I didn't like the batsuit in Returns. I prefered the rough scruffier looking abdominal section on the 1989 suit. Returns was still awesome though. It really complemented the original film.
@@silvervalleystudios2486 The cowl was my problem with the Returns suit. I don't what it is, maybe the ears, but it doesn't look right, whereas the first looked great. Affleck's suit is my favourite though.
BVS is my favorite Batmobile, but when I envision Batman having a fan fic race with Dominic Toretto of The Fast and the Furious franchise, look no further than the 1995 or even 1997!
Personally I prefer the ordinary suit over the sonar suit.
The RETURNS Suit was the best-looking... it was Practical(armor shell), Form- fitting(instead of fake musculature), cool looking without looking Over the Top. Edit: My Point?-it was believable basically.
Still want a Director's Cut
I need it
@@dbog5214 How could they release the '05 edition with deleted scenes and not put a Director's Cut on it at the same time? Goldenthal's score for the giant bat scene would've been epic
Nope.
The Version we got had to be pretty close to Joel's vision. He was hired to make it more pop and less dark from the start.. The Writer was acting like the intent was to make it more dark.. That's BS. The studio asked for a lighter Batman..
he is dead
Bob Kane, Bill Finger & Joel Schumacher: In Memoriam.
Can we get the extended cut of Batman Forever? HBO Max?
PLEASE!
Yes and maybe the Schumacher cut will include the deleted scenes of Batman forever like when Bruce forgets he’s Batman and a giant bat appears right in front of him
Help us #releasetheSchumachercut
#releasetheschumachercut
Yes!!
Batman Forever was the first Batman movie I seen in the cinema, I was six and I still love it.
The duality between Bruce Wayne and Batman was what Batman Forever was all about. I think Val Kilmer for sure explored the psychological aspect to the character. The one thing with Carrey's Nygma is that he did play the eccentric type creator obsessed with riddles, but you still had that Jokeresque performance.
Kilmer's Bruce Wayne/Batman is more tragic.
Kilmer's Batman and especially his Bruce Wayne are very underrated imo.
No offense to Joel Schumacher (RIP) but if he got to work with a director like Christopher Nolan I think he'd be much more fondly remembered.
Raghu,For real .That's why this film is so underrated in the Batman films.
Thank you!!!
I thought I was the only one that noticed this.
Batman Forever was all about DUALITY which no other batman film had really tapped into. Val Kilmer really explored the differences and this showed clearly in his relationship with Chase Meridian
I think Forever was underated and is the best out of the four films. The action sequences and depth of the story was great.
Batman Forever is harmless fun but lacks deeper depth because of the removed Batman subplot scenes about him losing his memory and finding he needs Batman again. Jim Carry is funny from start to finish in Batman Forever and Val Kilmer is fine. Batman and Robin though suffer from the problem sequels get called excess they take everything that was fun and entertaining from Forever that worked in Forever and overdoes it in B And R. Batman and Robin was trying to capture the spirit of the 6os show but also trying to go even bigger with what worked in Forever. What you end up with is pretty much a movie for dumb children. Batman 1989 and Returns are Burton doing his take a Dark slightly crazy loner Batman that is only slightly less crazy than the villains he chases. Then we got Nolan's Dark realistic take and Snyders more comic book extreme dark take. Now we have Matt Reeves's upcoming Detective thriller noir type, Batman.
Nicole Kidman was so gorgeous in Batman Forever. She was first celeb crush as a kid. Loved Kilmer as Bruce Wayne/Batman he was underrated. Jim Carrey was great as Riddler
My crush was Kim bassinger from the first movie 👍
RIP JOEL SCHUMACHER 😢 🙏
@Joan Santos Mendoza Total class act. Compare his apology here against this weekend´s Josh Trank´s twitter BS.
His Batman films got me to get my diploma in acting from my junior college.
@@onlyone23km wow 👏
@Joan Santos Mendoza Joel Schumacher made the best Batman movies he could.
I will finish what you started Joel Schumacher
I had this on VHS and my brother and I watched it so many times. Jim Carrey was the best part. "Caffeine will killa ya!"
Although I walked out of BATMAN and ROBIN, I loved BATMAN FOREVER and still do. To take what Burton did and take it into an entirely refreshing direction was amazing. I don't think Joel Shumacher gets enough credit. Would love to see a restored Joel Shumacher Director's Cut of BATMAN FOREVER.
Joel Schumacher was such a genuine, pleasant guy, he is dearly missed.
#releasetheschumachercut
Not to any of us. We don'iss him AT ALL. OR & NEVER
@@brucewayne9483 Have you seen any of his other movies?
Indeed, Val Kilmer is one of the best Batman ever. Saw this movie last week and it’s still holds on. Thank you Joel Schumacher!!!
Batman forever is honestly my favorite Batman movie 🥰🥰
@@nestordiaz2933 mine as well
I still prefer Clooney 💖🔥
Batman and Batman Returns with Keaton, better than Clooney and Kilmer combined!
Did you see the one after?
RIP Joel Schumacher. I love Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. Those films were a huge part of my childhood.
Me too!!!
20:48 This is why we need that Directors cut.
RIP Joel 🙏🙏🙏 Thanks for your contribution to The Bat 🦇
Just say RIP Joel and delete the other part.
RIP Joel. Thanks for The Lost Boys.
I really respect Joel for saying he wouldnt direct unless his friend was comfortable with it at 4:18. I will always love batman forever and even hold nostalgia for B&R. (Especially those shexy scores my GOODNESS). Rest in peace, Joel.
Val is probably the calmest talker I’ve ever heard 😂
It’s the Xanax lol
i might use the interview to fall asleep
Wait till you get a load of me
Vil Calmer
Val Chillmer
I absolutely LOVE Batman forever, grew up with it! At least Val took the role seriously and Jim was a great riddler. As for Batman&Robin.. Well, it’s famously bad but to be fair, it only works as a kid’s film rather than a straight comic book movie
It was technically marketed as a kids and comic book film.
I REALLY REALLY want to see the Schumacher Cut of Batman Forever.
For Christmas two different years I was given the Box Sets of the 4 Batman Movies. I saw every Batman Movie from Batman 89 to The Dark Knight Rises on opening day. Then went back to see them as crowds died down.
I want to see a NIGHTWING movie done.
Batman Forever was pure fun and the visuals were really cool and I love the bat-mobile, it was truly Saturday Night Fever on Acid lol 😂
Batman Forever is my favorite of the pre nolan films. Val Kilmer was awesome, and the suit is underrated.
Batman & Robin is my all time favorite Batman and DC film.
@@onlyone23km lol nice
@@onlyone23km Whatever 😉 (though hardly a cinematic masterpiece, I actually prefer this film to the "Disneyquel" Trilogy, Episodes 2 and 3, DAD, QofS, and some others)
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The Batsuit is TOTALLY underrated in Batman Forever, FOR SURE!!!!! Bcus in my opinion, Val Kilmer Shining in that Batsuit, is the SEXIEST thing ever in movie/cinema history!!!!!
Joel Schumacher's Batman series weren't the best, but were definitely fun to watch as a kid, the villians stole the show, thoroughly enjoyed watching the goofiness of how they were portrayed, loved the dark gothic feel to the film's, though for me, Batman 1989 and Batman returns did this very well.
RIP Joel Schumacher 🙏🌹
Schwarzenegger’s one liners are the only reasons I like Batman and Robin
@@CagedSUPERMAN must say, Freeze, Ivy, Two Face and Riddler had some great one liners.. they were having the time of their lives. 😆
True as a kid i enjoyed the movies, but as an adult i hated them
I bought a Mr. Freeze Funko Pop! today.
Forever had a combination of Burton's darkness and still paid homage to the Adam West series without overdoing it. It worked well. Batman and Robin was just a complete disaster. I cant believe it wasnt rewritten. Who at Warner would have approved that script??? The franchise was on life support by then anyway. Three actors for four Batman movies. They were running out of villains. The storyline had lost its luster. It needed that eight year break and Nolan's vision to bring it back.
Batman & Robin is one of my favourite movies. I love it!
This actually made me reconsider Forever.....and feel bad for Joel about Batman & Robin lol
I still really like Forever and would like to see a more serious, psychological cut of it.
WolfThornn Holtzklau This^^
It wasn’t Joel’s fault.
Forever was a necessary recovery from Returns. Batman & Robin, on the other hand, I would have preferred the original '66 Dynamic Duo if they were going to camp it up.
I personally loved the film and favorite song from the soundtrack “Kiss From A Rose”
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Watching this documentary again made me realize where Andy Muchieti was surely inspired for the first appearance of Keaton's Batman Batwing in the next The Flash movie. The way Val Kilmer's batwing is hanging in the batcave is too similar to the way it was shown in the flash trailer, only upside down
I've been waiting for the Director's Cut of this since I first heard of it in 1997 while Batman & Robin was in production...make it happen, WB. Easy money!
#releasetheschumachercut
Poor Bill Finger, he should've been there.
Well at least he passed long before either of those movies came out, especially Batman and Robin. Although, it would be interesting to see how different the Batman movies would be if they consulted Bill Finger, or even Jerry Robinson, alongside Kane.
He died in the late 70s.
He's got his justice: he's now credited as co-creator with every new Batman creation now.
@@sheski4909 Batman Forever is harmless fun but lacks deeper depth because of the removed Batman subplot scenes about him losing his memory and finding he needs Batman again. Jim Carry is funny from start to finish in Batman Forever and Val Kilmer is fine. Batman and Robin though suffer from the problem sequels get called excess they take everything that was fun and entertaining from Forever that worked in Forever and overdoes it in B And R. Batman and Robin was trying to capture the spirit of the 6os show but also trying to go even bigger with what worked in Forever. What you end up with is pretty much a movie for dumb children. Batman 1989 and Returns are Burton doing his take a Dark slightly crazy loner Batman that is only slightly less crazy than the villains he chases. Then we got Nolan's Dark realistic take and Snyders more comic book extreme dark take. Now we have Matt Reeves's upcoming Detective thriller noir type, Batman.
Best soundtrack, best cast, great Director, eccentric and the mood was indescribable in the best way possible.
The Schumacher movies aren’t my favourite but I’m glad that they exist… pure fun popcorn Batman movies…. Love them
As a kid I enjoyed these movies a lot. All first 4 movies made a Batman fan.
Edit: even 15:12 didn't bother me back then.
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@@dontcallmyname7779 мммм, я видел, что у тебя вместо точки стояла буква ю. не отвертешса изменением коммента
@@different_stuff sorry bro, no comprendo ;)
@@dontcallmyname7779 ну да ну да
These 2 Batman films are what got me into acting and entertainment. Most people who diss these films over them not being “dark enough” don’t truly understand that Batman has an infinite amount of layers to him, thanks to the many decades he has of existence under his belt. He had both dark AND light stories such as “The Dark Knight Returns”, and “Rainbow Batman”.
And as for the Batnipples, bat credit card and neon lit Batmobile? The Batnipples still don’t worry me. In fact I think it adds more detail to what the 1989 suit brought, and the card and Batmobile is still pretty badass!
It was my dream to be Tim Drake in a film next to Chris O’Donnell as Nightwing with Michael Gough, Pat Hingle and Joel Schumacher around to help out. Unfortunately, it wasn’t meant to be. Rest In Peace to the latter 3 men. I miss you guys, even though I’ve never met you guys. Y’all are all the reason I have an Associates in acting.
It's also soooooooooo much better than the follow up, Batman & Robin.
To be fair, it really was.
Tom and Jerry all
I disagree.
Clooney is better than Kilmer. I didn't even remember a single line from Kilmer's batman.
Barman Forever and Batman & Robin are by far my favorite Batman movies. They're fun 😃
Batman Forever was the first Batman film I seen when I was kid, having spend Sunday mornings watching Adam West. It was like a soft introduction to a dark Batman story. Really got me into the character, thanks Joel RIP
It's not dark
@@Ian-hj4yt Riddler throws a guy out a window and the flying Graysons fall to their deaths...
@@PianomanMIC So?
@@Ian-hj4yt for the time it was dark within the light show and campiness. Val kilmers portrayal was pretty dark, actually darker than Keatons
@@zeeski7454 You're joking, right?
6:26 Michael Gough is the best Alfred. Sure other actors who were great as Alfred but Gough is the goat! I grew up watching him
Say what you will, but Joel Schumacher is a stand up guy
#releasetheschumachercut
Kilmer's Sonar suit was amazing.
ALFRED: “Can I persuade you to take a sandwich with you, sir?”
BATMAN: “I’ll get drive-thru.”
Batmobile drive thru prank
To build on that, what is it with the openings of the Schumacher movies and Alfred asking Batman to take food with him?
@@sheski4909 they had marketing deals with McDonalds
I hadn't heard that line in years! Awesome memories!
There have been a lot of great villain lines from these films even the Schumacher ones but for some reason one of my favorites is from Danny DeVito in “Batman Returns” when he takes over the bat mobile n says “Welcome to the Oswald Cobblepot school of driving. Gentlemen, start your screaming!”
4:15 I love that Joel Schumacher asked Tim Burton's permission to direct the film
I love that these films knew what they were trying to be, unlike the newer ones where I feel like there is a complex to what they are trying to be. In the end, these are carnival comic book films an there is nothing wrong with that.
Joel, thank you for Batman Forever, I still have it on VHS. Rest in Peace.
Bring Keaton back for flashpoint , batman beyond, and other batman upcoming projects........🤠
Indeed they will!
Well he actually just signed on to a 3 movie deal with Warner Bros/DC
You got it!
RIP Joel, thank you for this movie ,it was my childhood
Batman coming out of the flames at 2:47 and 2:54 is probably the best Batman pose seen on screen.
Love this movie my second favorite batman film.
Versatile Titan Agreed. I’ve seen all of them this is probably my 2nd fav after ‘89.
"Batman Forever" is actually very underrated, I think. Sure it was flawed, but it also had a lot of strengths that deserve to be recognized (visuals, set designs, casting, humor, Elliot Goldenthal's awesome musical score, etc.). As a staple of my '90s upbringing I have nothing but fond memories of it. Val wasn't the worst Batman, not at all; in many ways I'd happily rank him amongst the best. As a film "Forever" was definitely misunderstood in its time: it did something different with those characters and that world, Joel was willing to take risks and take the franchise in a new direction, but people weren't necessarily ready yet for Joel's vision. Granted, Burton's films remain superior, and at the time that's what audiences were used to, and all "Forever" tried to do was tweak it and create something much closer to the eccentricity of some of the early comic books. I, for one, appreciate it for just that reason.
Try to find Goldenthal's interview about the music. The way he describes coming up with the score gave me a better appreciation of it.
RIP Joel Schumacher
I loved batman 66! And B&R was my first intro to Bats as a kid. I loved it! Rip Joel
Still love those 2 things.
I genuinely like Batman Forever and Batman & Robin. My son is 3 and he loves watching both of these movies and I love watching them with him.
I liked them as a kid as well. Batman forever I can still watch and like but Batman and Robin and I can’t do lol.
May not be my favourite Batman film compared to the others, but the art direction and set pieces are honestly innovative and amazing.
Happy 25th anniversary, Batman Forever! 🎥🦇🎂
Same age as me nearly
And 23rd to Batman & Robin!
I went to see Batman Forever for my 11th Birthday and as of 2020, it is is still one of my favourite movies.
The soundtrack for Batman forever was just absolutely amazing and BOLD
Always loved this batmobile
As a kid I loved everything about this movie. The book, album, and the movie. I was definitely a 90s comic book kid
I still love both films.
Liked your comment mostly for your Deftones pic
@@recordshape2528 always nice to hear compliments about my Deftones profile pic. It reminds me that there's other people out there with taste. I've loved them since Adrenaline (yep I'm getting old😂)
Batman Forever was one of the comic movies I watched and loved.
I almost broke our VHS copy from watching it like 3-4 times a day.
Joel!!!!!!! Iam Forever Thankful for those Movies
The Bat Credit-Card will never get old.
''Micheal will always be Batman'' Right-o, George!
if only tim burton if not lazy when he selected by WB to working make 1989 Batman film and want to cast the actor who was not so well-known at that time George Clooney to become Batman😑😤😑
@Vino from a pure physical point of view, your point is very well taken, I truly would envision Batman being a lil bit taller than Michael was..mind you, tho, when it comes to him donning the cape and cowl, the guy was intimidating af. I'll do you one better dawg: no one in the history could ever top his sinister-looking aura
What?
@@Ian-hj4yt don't what me dawg or else
I love Clooney, he's still better than Val Kilmer's batman
R.I.P Joel Schumacher
I love this movie and I love watching the movie. Batman forever was cool and batman and robin was amazing. Joel Schumacher is a genius.
"Chicks dig the car" and all of the unforgettable fun/unique moments form these interestly remember caped crusader entries. Stay safe everyone!
I'm speechless...
What a Great Production.
Brilliant Actors Not to mention Producers and Director
🎬
Jim Carey as The Riddler was the best part of the movie
*Carrey
In the memory of Joel Schumacher (1939-2020).
I will finish what you started Joel Schumacher and I promise you that the Unproduced Batman films will be done justice for the fans for the audiences and for the studios
52:17 Joel here deserves a great respect forever
Why do people hate this movie, i loved it as a child
I've never hated it, but the original script of Batman forever was way better and it got scrapped. I think people were disappointed by what could have been
Batman and Robin is one of the few movies I've ever seen where I laugh so hard and so consistently that I'm crying for most of the run time. Love it or hate it - it's always entertaining to watch
A lot of people would only notice and appreciate (or hate) Batman Forever because of what they see on a surface level. Try to mute the over the top performances of Carey and Jones, see past the colors and the eccentric costumes and sets... this Batman one-off is dark, perhaps even darker and complex than Tim Burton's take on Bruce Wayne's psyche. With Burton, the psychological case studies were his villains, though Michael Keaton's performance still outshines the actors that succeeds him.
This is awesomeeee
I liked Batman Forever as kid and appreciate the unique vision as an adult. It really modernized Batman's campy origins and to this day had some of the most fantastical and whimsical performances/ set pieces I've ever seen. Batman and Robin really got away from them, though.
My favortie Batmobile, so weird and gothic-organic, i love it.
Barbara Ling is an amazing artist.
I grew up with batman and robin movies 😊
Joel didnt have to apologize. The executives who green lighted everything need to apologize.
But before the parents do!
I'm just happy that these 2 movies got made. I think they were great (for their times).
And because Tim didn't direct Batman Forever, we got the year before, one of my favorite films of all time, Ed Wood! It all worked out in the end. Well, until 1997 that is.
regardless of how you feel about joel’s batman movies, the guy just wanted to make fun batman movies the best way he knew how. you gotta commend him for that. i personally enjoy batman forever. it’s not as strong as tim’s first two but it’s a solid entry. joel’s visual style is otherworldly and val’s batman is pretty underrated honestly. RIP Joel. your contributions to the batman franchise will never be forgotten❤️
batman forever is still my fave of the burton/schumacher batman films, and still is one of my fave batman movies of all time. A solid depiction of Batman that felt close to batman the animated series and the comics at the time. The soundtrack and the score soundtrack was also awesome. Meanwhile, Batman and robin is really just a contemporary homage to the silver age batman comics and the batman'66 tv series. and in a way is just batman brave and the bold personified. Just fun movies when you see them for what they are, let alone, Batman and robin is the first to acknowledge superman, which make it one ofthe first shared universe movies that made the attempt. Really fun for what it is.
Batman Forever is a really beautifully shot film - and entertaining - Joel Schumacher was the right director for the job, especially after Falling Down - RIP - Joel Schumacher
Lololololol
Is that a joke?
@@icemav5740 Not at all - I generally think in terms of lighting, choice of lens', the variation in camera angles - with the production design - it's very well done. Batman Forever does have its flaws for sure, but its entertaining. And if you haven't seen it, I really recommend Falling Down, thats an amazing film.
@@RobAyling that's an interesting take on it. I just really hate the lighting and the neon colour pallet they went for in these movies. The shot of robin in the suit standing on the rock is great though, it really captures his look and physique very well, but overall imo forever and batman and Robin are just childish jokes
0:26 the music is awesome.
I loved Jim Carrey as the Riddler, but I always wanted to see him as Joker. I loved Batman Forever as a kid.
WB have an nack for ruining directors, Forever is alright, I never hated it, but you can tell it was supposed to be more.
Jim Carrey and his take on The Riddler was, and always will be, absolutely perfect. The Riddler in this movie is also one of the darkest takes on a classic Batman villain, by far. Look at exactly who, and exactly why, Nigma kills who he actually kills in the movie. It's really messed up. 😁
Batman Forever had an amazing story deep down. I want to so Shumacher's original cut.
Batman & Robin was still fun but like O'Donnell said, it's a 2 hour long toy commercial. In a different world, in a different script, Clooney couldve been a great Batman/Bruce Wayne.
For what Clooney was given, he accomplished that.
Clooney was great as Bruce Wayne. He was just overhated. I still like him.
Change those glow in the dark thugs in FOREVER to JOKERZ from NeoGotham and you just might have something there.
"We're the JOKERZ!"
"Sure you are 😏"
This movie isn't bad. At least Val took the role seriously
Hot take. Vál wás better than Affleck.
@@TheNerdMan2 agree to disagree. One was an ok Wayne. The other was live action Arkham post game's release
@@TheNerdMan2 Different kind of Batman. Affleck's Batman was written as tired and weary having been operating in Gotham for 20 years.
Wrong. He thought it was a joke.
@@silvervalleystudios2486 Affleck s action was a stint man and snyder
Batman Forever Is A Classic Warner Bros Superhero Action Adventure Epic Family Movie Of All Time Back In 1995. This Is The Same Year As Disney's Pocahontas Came Out In Theatres On June 16th 1995 And It Was The Highest Grossing Walt Disney Pictures Animated Blockbuster Movie Of All Time And This Is Alan Menken And Stephen Schwartz's First Ever Disney Animated Motion Picture Movie As Well Too. Thanks Mate. X
Batman Forever and especially Batman and Robin should be a Broadway musical. So gorgeous❤️
Definitely a guilty pleasure. I can rewatch this but draw the line with Batman and Robin. Sorry Clooney 😞
Always look forward to Tuesdays now
To this day batman forever remains the best depiction of the absolute fun and all around colorful batman adaptation put to screen. Movie is literally a comic book and it’s beautiful in its own way . Rip shumacher
I still enjoy Batman Forever for what it is. Its not the best Batman movie, but it is one of the most fun to watch. I would rather have a fun movie with flaws than a boring one.