The NBA's Most Sketchy Scorekeeping Moments
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this video, we take a look at several of the NBA's most confusing scorekeeping incidents that make you wonder...are some players getting more stats than they actually deserve?
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Stockton to Malone was the bread and butter of Utah’s offense for almost twenty years. Ain’t no stat padding there
game is about the bucket , scoring is the one stat they cant pad , thats why they should have award best scorer of the year
They do, it's called scoring champion.
The first name that came to my mind on this topic is Rondo and his Celtic home assists. Wasn't that a thing back then?
I think Rondo was just trying to get assists either way sometimes instead of playing the game the right way. No disrespect to the future HOF though, one of the greatest playmakers I’ve ever seen and I personally think he’s the most talented passer ever
Assists are WAY more generous now than they've ever been.
Evidence?
Of course. The game is faster, so more scores, so there are more passes made. Its all relative
@@kkrstudios scores are not higher than they were in the 60's, stop capping
@@jervoskitzin The way assists are counted now is different from how it was back then.
@@jervoskitzinYou see it all the time ,a guy catches the ball , pauses , takes 3 dribbles and they still write it down as an assist.
Although i do have to say that shady score keeping and home stats raise questions on a lot of older players' records, i think every star player's stats are massively inflated.
If you look now on whats officially considered an assist, you can find that modern players like bron are receiving assists for passing to a player who doesnt score until a significant amount of play later.
This makes the numbers sensational and makes the players look good. Its still happening now. And even worse when you consider lax traveling rules and foul calls.
ok how about you dive into the film lol, sounds like ur a jordan fan tryna deflect
@@itzwakk335 I did bruh. His whole thing was "hopefully there's more oversight so stats aren't snuck in like how they used to be" when stats are literally inflated today, the method is just different. Easy to add more numbers when you relax the criteria by absurd levels. Bro's pretending like it's not still a problem.
Also when tf I bring up jordan?
If anything you sound like a bron fan who's feelings I just hurt.
I love how the entire purpose of that article was to slander Jordan and prop up Lebron in the GOAT debate (the writer Tom Haberstroh has been on record stating he thinks Lebron is the GOAT like 7 years ago btw, before he even won his 4th ring) and yet people in the comments here are saying "why are you bringing up Lebron in a video that has nothing to do with him? Insecure Jordan fans" ... y'all are either delusional and disingenuous. Stop pretending that people aren't trying to discredit the 90s and attempt to tarnish Jordan's legacy for no apparent reason. We all know the only reason why certain journalists and people want to do this, and it has everything to do with Lebron. The end of the article literally mentions the GOAT debate and has a video of Lebron in it... it mentions how DPOY is used by various people as a reason they have Jordan over Lebron in the GOAT debate (the entire purpose of the article at its core is to discredit/devalue Jordan's DPOY), and he specifically mentions instances where people have said this on video (including the likes of Jalen Rose), quoting them. So please stop with that nonsense.
Bron betta dude
Don't cry Jordan fans hahaa
Bro those MJ stats were taken from 6 specific games not even on tape 😂 that mf reachin, prolly paid by Klutch
It was, nick Wright admitted on live air, that he was involved in the "article"
This is why EVERY NBA debate has an asterisk, not just some Rings and some Silverware. Awards are ALWAYS subjective, never neutral.
Rings are won by TEAMS, not Players or Coaches alone
Unless you saw the man play, you don't know jack about their skill level bc AWARDS that sports and media people VOTE FOR sure as hell aren't how you find out and stats are just stats...
Jordan bullied his way to a DPOY, we all know MVP or ROY votes that were nonsensical...NEVER argue by awards, there's NO point and NO WAY I'm just gonna go and count stuff to see who's better. That's not how it works!
That ish only tells you who got the most recognition that year or begged for it the hardest
Ok then. So championships, awards and stats don't count. Only eye test, I guess.
Then I don't see how any rational person could watch MJ and LeBron and come to any conclusion other than Jordan was better at basketball.
He didn't rely on bully ball or lowering his shoulder. Jordan had a better handle than LeBron. A quicker first step. Better in the post. Better mid-range. Quicker laterally. Better free throw shooter. Even Jordan's passing highlights are arguably better. Jordan played passing lanes better. Quicker hands on defense. Gave more effort on defense.
LeBron has bully ball on Jordan. Anything else?
@@John6-40 hold on. They do count, it's just not ONE guy who decides if you get a ring or not and awards are CLEARLY given under somewhat biased circumstances. Are you trying to tell me you were okay with all MVPs, DPOYs and ROYs in your lifetime from a somewhat reasonable and neutral standpoint? They're clearly given by narrative.
I'm not even gonna go into GOAT territory, LeBron and MJ have had vastly different play styles and careers in vastly different eras, I don't even know how to compare one to the other but sure, if anyone is the GOAT of Basketball, it was always gonna be Jordan since the day he left. Why debate the obvious? We can debate if prime Bron did more for a team than prime Jordan or who would be better in the other's era but all of that is mute. Jordan redefined basketball for the globe, that includes me, after that LeBron could only achieve one thing: redefining longevity. Did that. Okay.
What I'm pointing to is the fact that when you know the stats can both be rigged and padded, knowing that people vote for awards based on stats ALONE is a PROBLEM. People are awarded contracts generating generational wealth based on obviously and demonstrably flawed statlines. If that's 'just sports' for you, fine...
Another point is strictly for people trying to make bets or give prophecies: don't go by awards or stats, go by what you know or who you know. Bet against them if you know they're worse than the stats and awards make them look. Bet on them if you think they're underrated. Don't bet on the guy with 4 MVPs, he may not even care anymore and be a bad bet ...
@@John6-40 this is one of the silliest takes I've ever heard tbh 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@John6-40 if you're trying to say about championships, then Bill Russell is the GOAT
I hope we going through Lebrons home and away stats to see his home scorekeepers probably did the same thing
In the 2005 season, LeBron has 74% more blocks credited at home than on the road. The stats are freely available online to anyone who wants to question that
Okay but what about the stat keepers' bias against the away team players? Is there any research lets if the Pistons' stat keeper put the correct stats for Jordan playing against them at Detroit? Do you think it can cancel out the home team stat keeper's padding?
"Gargantuan"... as a literature fan I felt that.
Fun fact: every time you pronounce the ‘H’ in Hakeem, a puppy dies.
Well, seeing how puppies were made by God, and "Hakeem" is a name honoring a false religion, I doubt that. 😐
when lebron complains: wooooh crybaby
when jordan complains: oh hes gonna take it personal! what a competitor
Right
That's because LeFraud actually complains for no good reasons and is mad at refs for not giving him good calls.
Search up a video titled:
"lebron literally complained more than he played defense"
It pretty much sums up LeBum's entire career.
Perfect timing I needed a vid to watch🔥🔥🔥
Lunch break perfect timing
@@myleslondon5220 mine was start of a bike ride at the gym haha
I don't feel Home vs Road can be considered as solid evidence for inaccurate stat keeping. It'd have been much better if you took the film, recorded it with today's standards, and compared it with the box scores at the time.
With the way they count assists today, if Stockton was playing he would average 20 assists a game.
Now there needs to be an investigation on "fouls" and travels in this last passing and current era. Also all the personal grudge "technical foul" calls against Rasheed Wallace or Tim Duncan on the bench laughing on the bench or Allen Iverson not getting calls because the referees didn't like him. Or all the the technicals called against Westbrook. We can do this all day.
Or the roughly +1000 FT discrepancy by the Lakers over the last couple years. That has helped LeBron rest on defense while stat hunting on offense, meanwhile the Lakers stay competitive despite that because of that discrepancy.
Not to bring up politics, but it's a similar deal with the Trump charges. All politicians have dirt if you dig.
Biden weaponized the FBI to take down a political opponent. LeBron is weaponizing the media to take down "the ghost in Chicago".
Sorry if you're a liberal and I offended you somehow with the analogy, but tbh, it's a perfect analogy.
Tell it!!
Another good video Andy 🤠
Honestly I want to see a video on Nick Van Exel
Because he is a very interesting player especially when he was on the lakers pre three peat Shaq and Kobe
I wonder if Wilt’s 100 points could’ve been an example of this
Wilt wasn’t at home. It was an away game vs the Knicks
@@manamongstboyz8956 was it in msg?
More videos like this please 😊
FGM / FGA should also be corrected, especially in shooting foul.
when a player is foul while taking a shot, FGM & FGA will be recorded he makes the shot, but NOT when he misses.
It's called True Shooting Percentage or TS%
Just to say about Jordan, he wasnt a perfect guy or basketball player and its honestly fine.
At his very worst you could say he was a selfish, butthurt, crybaby who was supremely talented, skilled and consistent.
At his best, hes the best we've ever seen and classy and a team player.
Usually, the truth is a mix of the two or appreciating both.
Pls do a video of old NBA players who’s game would translate well into the modern game (eg rashard lewis)
Hakeem averaging 4 BPG was interesting. One of the best defensive players in NBA history and an elite rim protector in his career. Him averaging 5.7 BPG compared to just 3.5 on the road is outrageous. That home arena scorekeeper seemed kind of sketchy.
The only "sketchy" thing is singling out Jordan for something that (apparently) decades worth of players were guilty of. Sometimes. Maybe.
What's also sketchy is the roughly +800 Free Throws LeBron's team has gotten vs his opponents over the last couple years.
Maybe we should throw the whole NBA in the toilet if we're going down this rabbit hole.
When you just single out Jordan, you look like a click hunter or a LeBron fanboy. Maybe both.
There is video evidence from this year alone that shows scorekeepers are padding LeBron's rebounds and assists.
Ya know how Scottie said Jordan would get credit when he tipped a ball to Jordan?
LeBron, aaaaaall the way here now in the 2023-24 season, gets credit for rebounds when AD or another teammate tips it to him. His teammates, though, do not get credit for a rebound when he tips it to them - that goes to LeBron too.
Funny isn't it 🤔
Also, let's not even go into how most assists are "judgement calls". How many times have we seen LeBron basically hand the ball to a guy on a simple pass and get an assist after the guy shook the opponent with a dribble move and get the bucket?
Again, if we really dig deep in this rabbit hole, we won't like what we see.
But the point from those digging isn't to expose some grand conspiracy in the NBA.
It's to take down Jordan and prop up their false idol because his career is essentially over and he still hasn't caught Mike.
If we weren't talking about THIS, we were talking about the Lakers falling apart and LeBron getting a black HC fired for his white friend.
Or how toxic LeBron is to teams.
Instead, we're now trashing Jordan. LeBron truly is the "goat" of running the media and flipping the narratives.
@@John6-40 Bingo. 100% true. Klutch Sports has tried everything - 90s NBA was weak because of expansion, Scottie Pippen was the real reason the Bulls won, they played against plumbers, now this. It was incredibly stupid of them to go this route since we have lots of video evidence of scorekeepers padding LeBron's stats, but they were backed into a corner when LeBron said he believes he would he the GOAT if he won a DPOY 🤣🤣🤣
@@JeremyGraczykYep. All of LeBron's recent DPOY talk was him setting the table for this. He knew what was coming because he and Klutch are pulling the strings.
10 or 20 years down the road, LeBron is going to be exposed for all of this.
You don't even have to scratch very hard beyond the surface to see how much LeBron has corrupted the media to change narratives for him.
Eventually, I believe LeBron will be disregarded entirely as a player. Just like the Hit King Pete Rose.
The only difference is that baseball had integrity. The NBA and Adam Silver? I'm not so sure.
Especially after the free throw discrepancies over the last couple years (at least) favoring LeBron's Lakers.
@@John6-40facts they're definitely lebron fanboys
Crazy how when this article came out now all of a sudden andy hoops wants to make a video on this topic
´Tis gon be fun! Andy messing with MJ and potentially his horde of supporters. Love it!
Awwww man. The "We done with the 90's/80's" crowd is going to use this video as evidence
@87alock who ca5re they're Lequeen James cheerleaders and Andy hoops is very bias it's disturbing that lequeen james cheerleaders will go this far to build up leflop and try to tear MJ down
@@malikwilson7387 "leflop" is what 60 yr old grandpa's call him lol yall just mad lebron the GOAT. Bringing him up in a video not about him is rent free buddy.
@@quelaagging8532 It is about him. Andy is basing this video on a hit piece written by Tom Haberstroh.
Tom consulted with Nick Wright, a Klutch Sports employee, while writing the article and went on Chris Broussard's show, also a Klutch Sports employee, to promote it.
Tom also goes out of his way in his article to question Jordan's DPOY award *in relation to LeBron James, who never won one.* Gee, why would Tom do that? And double gee, why would Andy leave that important piece of context out of his video? I wonder 🤔🤔🤔
@@malikwilson7387somebody has a miserable life and is taking it out on lebron 😅
@@jimbobfisher8904 stop cheerleading lequeen fanboy .Jordan still the GOAT
lol a lot of jordan meat grinders are upset
They always are
Bron fans talk about numbers don't lie while their idol flops to the line for free points and credited on extremely questionable "assists".
He also incorrectly gets credit for rebounds his teammates tip to him. But somehow, when he tips it to teammates, he gets credit for the rebound 🤔🤔🤔
This is just another tiktok style trend for the brainrot crowd. "Let's question statistics, but only for Jordan and old players, not LeBron and new players".
Let's not look at how current players can freely travel and commit offensive fouls. Let's not look at LeBron and current player's padded assists and rebound totals.
Let's not look at the Lakers outrageous free throw discrepancies.
If we want to get really technical about this, let's be fair, right?
Maybe these idiots should pull up 6 random games from last season and apply old traveling and offensive foul rules and let us know how many violations there were.
I'm guessing those stats would blow some minds. That doesn't suit the Klutch narratives, though.
Damn so many LeBron haters here even though he wasn't in the video 😂😂
@@IDK_0402 He was in the article that Andy stole from and repeated basically word-for-word in this video - Andy just left out that part for "reasons."
In the original article this video is based on, Tom HaBronsexual has a whole section devoted to LeBron _really, really wanting_ a DPOY award because then that would _for sure_ make him the GOAT! Tom intimates that if Jordan _didn't actually_ deserve his DPOY, then LeBron is really the GOAT!!
Tom "consulted" with Nick Wright on this "project", and he was immediately interviewed by Chris Broussard about the article. Both are employees of Klutch Sports.
What's even further, a few months ago while sipping wine with JJ Redick on his podcast (who's now the Lakers head coach btw 😮💨), LeBron said he deserved to win DPOY in 2012-13 over "that other guy", and he's upset he didn't win it because it's the one award he doesn't have for the GOAT conversation. LeBron is such a petty, weak individual, he couldn't even say Marc Gasol's name.
So that's why people are bringing up LeBron. Hope that helps champ 😘👍👍
Before, assist is only counted with less than 2 dribbles. Now, you can take a pass, dribble more than thrice, jab and take a fade. Still counts as an assist. And we're here talking about stats inflation 😂
The only good thing I can possibly speak of when it comes to sports betting's impact on sports is that, now that money is on the line, people are actually paying attention to how stats are recorded.😮
Have you ever personally looked into your claim, or do you just take is as implicit truth? Because it's completely wrong.
Can't post links on youtube so look up the following from Defector. It was published on March 5, 2024 about this most recent season: "We Tracked A Night’s Worth Of NBA Assists, And Many Of Them Are Baloney"
I always been wondering Andy .
Can you even make a video of this title ?
Why the 09-10 Lakers didn't do a three peat ?
The off-season is really here huh damn
If we look close enough today, LeBrons assists are easily inflated. He passes the ball and then his team goes into an iso possession and scores. How is that facilitating the offense at all?
Lmao, watch how bron drive collapse the defense and set his teammate wide open three
Bro stfu. U know how much attention Bron draws even till this day, when’s attacking in transition or off a PnR..
LeBron ain't even in this video, and y'all are talking about him 🤣🤣 Insecure ahh Jordan fans 🤣🤣
@@IDK_0402💯💯💯
inflated? 😂 HAHAHAH he passes the ball to an open teammate
Before watching so unsure if mentioned but there was a story about Jaren Jackson getting extra blocks added at home he wasn’t getting
Andy cooking with this one, let them old heads cry upon hearing the truth 🔥
I’m not an old head and still think the old Rea is better than this era
1987 Advanced Defensive Stats
M. Cooper: DBPM 37th DWS 79th stls 61st blks 72nd TMDRTG 7th TM OPPG 12th - DPOTY
Jordan : DBPM 6th DWS 3rd stls 2nd blk 15th TM DRTG 11th TM OPPG 2nd
- 2nd runner up
1988 Advanced Defensive Stats Eaton : DBPM 9th DWS 4th DRTG 12th TM DRTG 1st TM OPPG 5th. - 2nd runner up
MJ DBPM 1st DWS 2nd DRTG 4th TM DRTG 3rd TM OPPG 1st - DPOTY
🎤
Fine, take away Jordan's DPOY. It doesn't downgrade Jordan from an A+ defender to just an A defender. It doesn't get LeBron more votes in any GOAT poll which was CLEARLY the point of the whole thing.
Great video keep up the uploads
Haven't even watched yet...the entirety of John Stockton's assists/steals.
rodman’s rebound.itscounted as rebound when he tip it several times bfore securing it
I like how Lebron was not mentioned once in the video but is the most commented topic. Interesting. Tells a lot about the insecurity of MJ fans
In my 32 years of life MJ lore went from "he has never missed a shot" to
"six for six, nuff said" to
"well, he's the BEST scorer of all time" to
"Well, no, it was never about the total, it's about the PEAK" to
"You see LeBron flop there?? MJ would NEVER" to
"It was his defense that really set him apart" to
"yeah, his defensive player of the year award was BS, and yeah, somehow Bron lost DPOY to a guy who was on the all NBA 2nd Defensive team, but I'd like to see Bron play BASEBALL"
Wow, there is so much lack of common sense here that my brain nearly exploded reading this.
1. LeBron himself can't keep Jordan out of his mouth. Your favorite media actors like Shannon Sharpe, Nick Wright and countless others can't keep Jordan out of their mouths. Everything used against Jordan is to prop up LeBron. Then when Jordan fans pop up for the latest attack, you fake surprise so you can pretend that Jordan fans are insecure? Laughable.
2. Who said Jordan "never missed a shot"?
3. Only idiots think "6 for 6" is the only argument Jordan has.
4. If this was ever about the total stats, then Kareem would've been the best ever, and still would be. He was 1st in points, with 6 championships and 6 league MVP's. Only after LeBron got the points record did yall try to act like it's about the totals.
5. Jordan averaged more points, steals and blocks with fewer turnovers. In both reg season and playoffs.
Jordan has a higher PER and win shares per 48 in both reg season and playoffs.
Jordan has 2 more championships, 1 more MVP and 3 more all-defense teams than LeBron, despite playing 6 fewer years.
There. I just wrapped this "debate" up without even mentioning the DPOY, which still counts. 👍
For the generation saying this Era is soft it's funny how they are the most sensitive lol.
Of course he is in the comment, since it’s Klutch sport propaganda and an already debunked one at that ( let’s analyze 7 games that no one can see but me…lol) Meanwhile LBJ gets assist after a guy received the ball, dribble 3 times then stop and shoots.
Fax
Lmao a weeboo
That MJ article is bs produced by Klutch sport. The “writer” handpicked games that only him could see and no one else. Not suspicious at all…
This video just confirmed for that Wilt’s 100 point game is a hoax 😂
Couple TH-camrs/people are on Jordan’s payroll 😭💀
He was def biased bro lmao
oh the jorguzzlers are going to SEETHE and I'm here for it
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This is some LeBron fandom, when you look at LeBron's assists they are highly inflated either home or away. He gets a steal when player knocks the ball to his hands. He gets the rebound when somene knocks the ball to his hands. Each game they remove couple of his shots to boost his fg percentage, and they do that for his entire career.
Interesting, any clips or certain game you could remember? I'd love to check it out. Especially the removing shots to boost FG%
Any particular game comes to mind? Imma go find the full game
Why are you bringing up lebron? I legit wanna know why mj fans think about lebron so much? Also showing proof of your claim would be nice but just like all mj fans you won't show a shred of proof.
@@quelaagging8532because lebron is a legitimate threat to their lord and savior Michael Jordan Christ.
@@quelaagging8532 I'm nobody's fan. I bring him up because his media fanboys are creating this fake narrative. Yet everyone knows that Lebron's stats are tuned and fake
@@branislavlukic3919 this video has nothing bout Bron. Why are you bringing him up? It makes no sense lol but having Bron on your mind all day everyday will do that to a man.
Exposing some more referees might be a cool video idea
Hmm. I wonder if this was inspired from the recent comment by Scottie about MJ.
It was inspired by all the negative media focus being on LeBron for being a team cancer who got a black HC fired for his white podcating propaganda slinger.
I wouldn't doubt at all if Pippen is getting payouts from Klutch now. Hating on Jordan is mutually beneficial to both LeBron and Pippen now.
An enemy of an enemy is my friend.
I don't trust anybody in the public eye anymore. No one seems to have integrity. At least Jordan mostly remains silent and doesn't have a shady agency changing narratives for him.
That article was a hit piece and the games he "researched" he didn't even list.
And the goat DUNCAN had someone take off blocks 😭 QUADDUB
🔥🔥🔥
Timmy's Almost Quadruple-Double in 2003 NBA Finals first comes to my mind for the most skeptical moment in NBA and he should have that one but statistician srewed up
The Ricky Davis triple double might be the best of all time
Who was better than MJ on defense that year ? Nobody.
Why does it matter? The NBA isn’t going to go back and change anything
They can if they want to but that alot of work. They do it now in the present because of betting.
There are numerous examples on youtube alone of LeBron James getting credit for assists and rebounds that he does not deserve. Uncut Hoops and Angry Old Hoops have video evidence and examples from this year itself. So you're just flat out wrong about sports gambling "cleaning up stat keeping."
If you want to argue that the league relies much more on interpretation nowadays to get around stat-padding, sure go ahead, but it still means a stat that would count today would not have been counted in the past
uncut hoops is a biased jordan fan so we good
@@peter2oo151 no we not good. Tom HaBronsexual consulted and worked with Nick Wright on the story. Nick Wright is an employee of Klutch Sports. Tom HaBronsexual was immediately interviewed by Chris Broussard, an employee of Klutch Sports.
To say Uncut Hoops - who provides video evidence of LeBron getting credit for stats he does not deserve - can't be trusted, while Tom HaBronsexual - who provides no video evidence of his claims - can be trusted, would only come from a complete moron. Like you 😘
Doesn't mean he wasn't exposing the truth though...just keep that in mind @@peter2oo151
bro the 2 people you named are some of the most biased basketball “content” creators you could find. Angry old Hoops is literally obsessed with lebron in the weirdest way possible, but yea let’s use his videos as a credible source 😂.
@@mr.longjohn0014 I don't care what their view is. They provide video proof that LeBron gets his stats padded, as recently as this year. You can disagree with literally everything they have to say, but video doesn't lie.
By the way, I'm still waiting on Tom Haberstroh to upload those Jordan tapes he watched. Because no one else can find them. What people have been able to find for Bulls' home games from the 87-88 season online (THE FULL GAME, not just a 5-minute highlight reel) though, shows that the steals totals match with the box score 😶
so the scorekeeper assisted them
This is a very interesting topic~
For an assist it’s usually 2 dribbles
WHAT? Jordan cried about not winning the award and the NBA gave it to him? 😂😂😂
It’s just kids on TikTok that try to make bron look better
Lebron fans act like this changes anything MVP, FMVP, DPOY, 1st team NBA... it's only consensus opinions not absolute fact.
Consecutive playoff series as leading scorer: MJ 36, Olajuwan 11, Kobe 10, Kareem 9, Malone 9, Lebron 8, Baylor 8, Mikan 8, Iverson 8, Wilt 7, Moses 7, Pierce 7, Dr.J 6, KD 6, T-Mac 6, Barry 5, Bird 5, Shaq 5, West 5, Robertson 5, Nowitzki 5, McAdoo 5, Doncic 5, Carmelo 5. MJ is🐐
Bro bringing up lebron on a video not about him. Lebron really is the GOAT
@@quelaagging8532Dumb reply. We all know who is pushing the anti-Jordan stuff, and who is taking this hit piece against Jordan as legitimate evidence of anything.
You are a LeBron fan, yourself.
Andy Hoops was a closeted LeBron stan all along 🙈🤦🏻 Who woulda guessed?!
It's so crazy how telling the truth about Michael Jordan makes you a LeBron fan lmao
If you watch his other videos he also criticize LeBron James a lot.
@@skymav6 No, he wasn’t ”telling the truth”. This whole ”research” on the 1987-88 DPOY was based on a sample size of six games, conveniently games which aren’t available on the internet or TH-cam. Instead, the stats were counted by watching ”some dude’s old VHS tape”. Seems legit.
Play by play was introduced to the NBA during the 2nd 3-peat. You can go watch those; there’s hundreds of games to go through. Doing so, you’ll find out that there is no discrepancy between how stats are counted for all other NBA players, and Michael Jordan’s stats. Nice try, misinformation is a key part of LeFraud’s fanbase and their attempt to undermine the GOATs of previous eras. Do better next time.
@@mirrorportal1587 He had the largest home road steal differential of all time. There's footage of games of him getting 28 steals where he only got 12. Those are facts the games are in HD.
And I'm not trying anything I didn't even say nothing bad about MJ.
@@skymav6don’t debate with him this dude is in almost every reply completely unhinged lmfao
ENDORSE BY CLUCTH SPORT?
Uncut Hoops made a great video debunking this myth. Michael Jordan did deserve the DPOY in 1987-88.
I saw that video and it was great.
Uncut Hoops is too biased and unreliable. He also didn't debunk the article
@@Dottor_J Biased and unreliable? The whole article was based on 6 games which aren’t findable on TH-cam or the internet. The stats were counted by watching ”some dude’s VHS tapes”. Now that’s the definition of biased and unreliable.
Uncut hoops is a Jordan fan and is very biased imagine believing a biased source and take it as gospel 😂😂😂😂😂
@@JameloGrant11 What’s that profile picture of yours about?
Great stuff, but watch out, Andy. You are now on MJ’s hit list, lol 😂
Everyone will be labeled a Lebron fanatic when you doubt something about MJ 😂 im a forever MJ fan but i welcome facts like this. Inconsistency are being raised to the stars. Do you think there is an interest of inconsistency if its done with an unknown player? 😅 No one will care.
Ngl.. I never believed wilts 100 point game
It happened at an away game
Cool story bro. Is it just me or does this guys voice sound AI generated?
Tom Haberstroth has no credibility, dude graduated high school in 2004, a yr after bron dude was a MIAMI HEAT reporter during the yrs LeBron was there and he used a 6 game sample size out of 41 home games Jordan. Are we this stupid we can see the agenda here? Question the validity of the only award bron never won but only questions MJs validity, not any other DPOY recipient, let's not be stupid here
So many hurt guys in the comments not actually paying attention to the acc video smh.
Every GOAT level player warps the game and stats a little bit. But in this case it seems to be worse in the 90s and earlier. Thats okay.
Jordan was still great and he said of his own award that its based off of reputation. Not the best award is all
We been done with the 80s and 90s. Plumber league of cheaters.
You play video games..lmao low testosterone
Hate it, love it, believe it, discredit it. it still happened. And so, that's what I take away from it, is being yourself on purpose in public all the time is the most important thing you can do as a human being and Michael did it with grace and humility on the grandest stage.
If you are one of those people who disparage the great minds and talents of the past to get recognition for yourself or acknowledgement of your existence, then that's on you, it reflects your poor character and culture.
Lebron may end up in the history books not as an ambassador for his achievements, but for discrediting others to get there.
The difference is that fans wanted Jordan to win. LeBron, on the other hand, has his hand and fingerprints all over the narratives. For a player to do something that vile is simply the lowest of the low.
Lebron is my generation, I'm just ashamed of it. Simply distasteful. Jordan played even before I was born. Similar to other great people Einstein, George Washington, but we all give our respect to them as they paved the way for us. Learn from them.
hahahah im laughing at the comments that once their idol is called out, they throw a tantrum and immediately judge the uploader as a fanatic. and the same thing happens if its the other way around. Not thinking about the point of the video , not thinking that be it a myth or fact, it cant take that award/accomplishment away; its already cemented 😂😂
Because a random youtuber says it?
Jordan earned his DPOY fair and square 🏀
Thats sum big time GLAZING
@@nicedudefrfr How would you know? Did you watch his 1987-88 season?
I doubt your mom's bf had even glazed her to pop you out by the time Jordan had already retired
@@nicedudefrfrEven according to dipshit's fraudulent article, Jordan averaged 2.1 steals (4th) and 1.2 blocks (1st among guards and 21st overall) on the road.
Those are DPOY type of stats anyway. 🤷♂️
@@JeremyGraczyklol nice it's mostly Gen Z saying Jordan has a fake DPOY
No, he really didn’t. I love Jordan, he’s my GOAT but let’s not tell lies. He did not deserve that award at all.
The best thing about Jordan's stat-keeping is the game where he was credited with 4 steals, and the opposing team only had 3 turnovers. Lack of video evidence is the only thing keeping the Jordan acolytes vocal about their prophet.
Wow. Someone found a single stat keeping anomaly and now you think we can just disregard a man's entire career.
Being a LeBron fan must be rough.
What about LeBron's stat padding? The stuff he gets credited with is sometimes ridiculous to put it mildly. Or are you another LeBron fanboy?
Andy "Klutch sports group" Hoops.
Unsubscriber by the way... Bye😅
Uh oh... is this another one of those propaganda outlets of Lebron and Klutch sports?
"not our precious Michael, he is perfect"
Calm down, the video is not solely about MJ
1st
Players don't "win" awards like DPY , they are given those awards by journalists.
Which is why you should never take any of them seriously.
Personally, I try to judge players on what they win on the court , the eye test and the advanced stats.
The rest I find unreliable.
I will go to my grave saying I would rather have Zack Randolph on my team that half the people that make All NBA on any given year.
They shorten the 3 point line for MJ too and his 3 point percentages were at his best those years that they did it. Meanwhile they gave Tyson Chandler and Marc Gasol the DPOY in 2012, 2013… neither one of them could even make the FIRST TEAM ALL DEFENSE… it’s sad, these individual awards are honestly starting to become very meaningless. The media pushes narratives and it’s not fair. Bron should have ATLEAST one DPOY, which would obviously help is goat case ALOT… topic for another day but Jordan is also so blessed that he didn’t play in the social media era. One example, is that they would’ve crucified him for that 1991 ring. Pippen switching on to Magic changed the series and what’s even crazier.. Worthy and Scott were hurt and both missed games that series… if this was Bron, we’d hear how this was a Mickey Mouse ring or something… the NBA community has to be better
The nba shortened the 3 point line because scoring was decreasing but it didn’t do anything so they changed it and ,just guarded magic in games 3,4,5 if you watch the proper thing magic was only guarded by Scottie in game 2
1. Jordan was playing baseball when they shortened the line. 🤦♂️
2. Jordan shot .343 (LeBron's career %) in the 4 seasons prior to his retirement. He was fine from 3 and didn't need the league's help.
Dumb take. You were looking for likes and just came up with whatever asinine bullshit sounded cool.
That's the problem with you kids and the internet. You don't care about actually thinking things through or saying the (actual) correct thing.
You just care about saying something profound (right or wrong) that gets you noticed by others. Do better.
Nice.
You like to watch the world burn 😂
Anyone who actually watches the game notices a lot of sh*t! It’s way worse today than ever before. Refs allow traveling and bend the rules in certain teams’ favors. They say you can’t “dislodge” a defender when driving. That’s literally how Lebron has scored the vast majority of his points. LOL
Stat keepers were primarily white. Stockton was home every where he played. He was the og Caitlin Clark. No way, he got 14 AvG 2 seasons....
Defensive player of the year award doesn't mean you are the best defensive player! Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant are both elite defenders and also LeBron James! I've seen Lebron James playing defensively and I was shocked! I said that is the greatest player ever!😺
So Jordan needed inflated bullshit stats to win his only DPOY of his career. MJ fans are crying right now 😭
Lmao weeboo...
Michael Jordan never should've won dpoy. It's been proven. He's not as great of a defender as mj fanboys make him out to be
"It's been proven" is the most rock solid evidence I'll ever need. 😆
I just know old heads going insane in the comments lmao
Yeah because we watched the guys that you guys know nothing about.
Imagine if I walked up to an astronaut and told them that no, you actually CAN breathe in space. And then refused to change my opinion despite being shown more and more evidence. That's what it's like with you guys 👍
Says the kid all over the comment section posting "meme" comments and attacks. No substance. No stats. No facts. Just a bunch of "old heads be tryna cap" comments. Take a nap and ask mommy for some vbucks.
@@John6-40 what am I stating as a fact? Lol it's always funny when a video that's bout mj and never once mentions Bron, always has mj fans in the comments crying bout Bron when he was never mentioned.
MJ 🤝 Overrated
👎🏾 We done with the 90’s 😭 😂😂
Old hoops fans are done with your trash league and brainrot fans. 🤷♂️
There is that completely opposite of stat padding that Clippers scorekeepers allegedly did during Sterlings ownership. Players would get less assists and rebounds at home, so there would be a reason to pay them less. Am I remebering a real thing? It sounds so stupid.
So for years I've had to hear about MJ having more DPOYs than LeBron, when LeBron should have one, and Jordan should have none
Nope. Number 1, if NBA DPOY had been awarded by the media in 2012-13, Tony Allen still would have won with 53 votes to LeBron's 52.
Number 2, do you think the voters back in the 80s just didn't watch any games? All they did was get together at the end of a season, look at each statistical category, and give it to the guy with the most steals / blocks / etc.? Just because you never watched Jordan play doesn't mean the people alive during that time didn't. We're not all 20-year old keyboard warriors with an attention span only capable of watching 10 minute clip videos.
Number 3, even if Jordan got credit for a certain number of steals / blocks that shouldn't have been counted (which Tom Haberstroh has not made the video from any of the games he looked at available, so there is no way to tell if he's actually telling the truth), every single star gets their stats padded a certain amount, even to this day. In the 2023-24 season alone, LeBron got credit for rebounds his teammates tipped to him, then also received credit for rebounds he tipped to teammates. He got credit for assists where the guy dribbled, drove, made basketball moves before shooting, that shouldn't be counted as assists. If you want to call Jordan's DPOY award into question based purely on stats, then we need to call every single award LeBron James has ever won into question too 👏👏👏
Jordan not GOAT
You know ball.