Following the warrior cats family trees is like following the progress of trying to bring an endangered species back from the brink of extinction. With only 20 or so cats in the genetic pool, in a few generations they're all cousins.
Stormcloud as a character irritates me because why did they even bring him in if not to make babies, new blood in thunderclan is a precious resource on par with diamonds and we're squandering it so the frostfour can continue to make their family tree into a Christmas wreath
And in the Bramblestars storm they mentioned cherryfall and stormcloud to like each other. I actually hoped to see them having babies and being a cute couple :c
Maybe an earthquake goes through all the clans during the night, but causes a rockslide in Thunderclan's camp crushing [X] den while they are all asleep and helpless or smth
As a disaster movie enjoyer: yes please give me Threads - ThunderClan version (remember how 2-3 background characters used to die from greencough or in storms between each arc?)
And then you realise that they killed Hazeltail, Rosetail and Toadstep (Daisy's kids, new genes) without having kittens that couldve probably brought some diversity into this Alabama clan
Well to be quite honest, Spiderleg _is_ their father. But despite having a lot of kits, Dustpelt and Ferncloud don't have the biggest ThunderClan lineage. So I suppose there is some loss of potential non incestuous partnerships here 💀
In my own fan-warriors story, the clans avoid mass inbreeding by doing an apprentice trade. Kits old enough to become apprentices are given a choice on what clan they would want to join. The clans are a lot more diplomatic and socially structured, so tensions don’t often happen when kits are traded. It’s seen as an opportunity to meet new cats and explore new places. There’s also the scholar’s journey, where apprentices ready to become warriors may venture into unknown territories. They teach and learn from other cats, before eventually making their way back to their clan and sharing what they learned. This gives the clans a chance to diversify the gene pool, as well as advance their own societies and welcome outsiders that may be intrigued.
@fairycat23 Aw thanks! I love talking about my fan-cats! In my OC warrior cat lore, the 6 clans encompassing the mountain territories (Cliffclan, Coastclan, Eskerclan, Mireclan, Sageclan, and Grottoclan) have not seen interpersonal war or conflict since the founding of the clans because of the many treaties and laws put in place, such as the apprentice trade. Every moon, the clans gather at Grottoclan to reunite with their birth clan’s family and friends, and throughout the seasons, many festivals are held to honor their ancestors and bond with their fellow cats. These clans are very diverse and societally advanced as a result of this unity, to the point that these cats have entered their own form of Bronze Age, carving into mountains to make underground cities, utilizing farming methods for cultivating medicinal plants and attracting prey, and even forming alliances with other animals! They have also flourished in the wild because of their near isolation from humans. Two-legs are seen as more of a mythical creature to the cats than a genuine threat, and monsters/cars are unheard of, let alone roads. Sorry for the rambling ;w; I have been working on and off on this lore for at least 2 years, finding new things to add to the lore of my Bronze Age cats lol
Ivypool dating Fernsong after having her entire arc about being jealous about not being included in the kin of Firestar's kin prophecy despite being kin is Such a writing choice. Plus the age gap!
@@firenkyo8073 I disagree, a two year age gap between two adult cats is not really weird. While real cat biology does not matter in warrior cats (as well as their aging); animals age differently. The age gap between a 2 years old and a 4 years old cat is differnt than from a 13 years old and a 15 years old cat.
This is why power of three is my favorite arch, yes not much happens, but at the same time so much happens, Berrynose’s love story, spiderleg’s love story, daisy’s entire thing. Breezepelt’s trauma, lionblaze’s secret. HOLLYLEAF’S EVERYTHING jayfeather’s investigations. Everything about the stick. And those are just off the top of my head. If I asked any warrior cats enjoyer to name all the background characters is power of three, they would not only be able to list the ones from tc, but also some from windclan or even sc. people complain about power of three being boring bc nothing happens, they might be right but power of three is where all the world building comes into play. Makes the world of warriors feel lived in. I know a lot of people find it mundane just to tag along on some apprentice’s daily chores but I like it. In case ur wondering (you’re not wondering but…) my favorite scene in the whole series is in power of three, when lionpaw is tucked up ready for bed in the app’s den and the younger cats are bothering him. And then cinderpaw who had been on patrol comes in with some honey that leafpool let her keep. everyone tastes it and Poppypaw says: “It doesn’t taste like anything” >:/ There was so much world building in that one scene: older apps being annoyed by young ones, the kinship apps feel towards one another, the confirmed headcannon that apps stay up late chatting. The fact that warriors do sometimes collect useful herbs while on patrol. You just don’t see much of this in the recent archs
Power of three’s main plot sucked but it’s B plot and Side stories were pretty good, And Omen of the stars was kinda similar in that regard, the interpersonal conflicts and the day to day clan and even some dark forest shenanigans were the actual enjoyable part to me
@@andistansbury4366 gotta be a close second and then when jaypaw tries to show leafpool the stick and he goes: “Why wasn’t she more interested in the stick?” (Say it out loud) gets me every time
I think one easy-quick fix would be letting the she-cats have kits without mentioning or stating who the father is. Just let the father be a mystery or make it seem like these she-cats just had a fling or something with an un-named loner who passed through the territory one day. just let these she-cats have one night stands and be single moms lol.
That still wouldn’t completely solve it though, because cats can still be related to each other through maternal family. Like how Whitewing and Birchfall are actually second cousins because their grandmothers, Brindleface and Frostfur, were sisters
@@starstorm1267 yeah that is true, i mostly made this comment as a joke tbh. Honestly I don't think they'll ever fix or mention the Incest Problem because I doubt the Erins/New Team or whoever is writing Warriors these days wants to admit to their pre-teen audience that they've been making cousins have babies with each other for the past years. *Honestly its kinda sad tbh bc cats barely acknowledge their family outside of their parents or siblings and occasionally grandparents, has there ever been a cat who acknowledged somebody as their Uncle or Cousin and not just as 'Kin' or something?*
It's kinda funny how the new team passes on pretty much all opportunities to at least broaden the genetic diversity in ThunderClan a little. Mousewhisker? Stays single. Stormcloud? Let's ignore Vicky hinting at Cherryfall X Stormcloud in Bramblestar's Storm. Twigbranch and Finleap? Let's keep the SkyClan cats to themselves AND also have one of them not want any kits (soon) (which would be refreshing but why'd they have to pick her for that?) Fernstripe, you're out last hope
Could you maybe outline the difference between the authors' writing styles someday? You mention sometimes that cherith and Kate write plots differently and I'm interested in how that affects the books! Definitely no pressure but I thought I'd pose the question
im so glad someone agrees with me on the alabama-ing of warrior cats. i had a game where i would put every character in the allegiances on a spin wheel and choose two cats to find how they were related, i could almost always find a way
What I find a bit upsetting is that the Erin’s keep spawning in these cats just to kill them off - more rather, kill the ones that have the most plot. It gives you a bit of sadness for a bit up until you realize most of the Clan at that rate just become fillers who are all related to each other. I’ve said this in the Discord and I’ll say it again; I doubt these cats will get any plot. If the Erin’s *do* end up releasing more Novellas that so happen to have a background character as the main, that’s just a background character who got lucky enough to get a super edition - such as Redtail was. But even then, at least Redtail had some kind of relevancy. Unless something very major happens with these guys in the next arc I don’t think they are ever gonna be safe from the background disarray. Seeing the new information for Arc 9 there is a chance these guys might get a redemption if our new protagonjst DOES happen to be from ThunderClan. If not, we may as well consider these guys to be less ordinary than every coffee bean blended into coffee pods.
The fact that there’s an entire prophecy about Lionblaze and Jayfeather being related to Dovewing- and therefore Ivypool- makes Fernsong x Ivypool SO much worse to me. With the other cats you can kinda try to ignore everyone being related if you squint, but because they made such a point with the power of three cats being related it’s basically impossible to ignore the fact that Ivypool became mates with Lionblaze’s son. I’ve always hated the pairing because of it I need half the clan to be killed off by some disease and replaced with loners at this point.
yeah it's definitely weird especially when they point it out. idk how you would fix the inbreeding at this point though without killing off a bunch of characters and introducing new ones from outside thunderclan and/or doing a massive time skip. they could also go back to the TPB system where biological family isn't that important and a lot of cats seemed to just materialize out of thin air
Ok they're related but consider how far apart. Lionblaze's grandpa Firestar was the uncle of Dovewing and Ivypool's grandpa Cloudtail. Ivypool and Fernsong are not even cousins, and cousin relationships were pretty common throughout history when people didn't live in huge countries but rather small tribes. It's not shocking, really
@@windylue6206 I know it’s far apart. It wouldn’t even be that noticeable if it weren’t for the Power of Three Prophecy like I said in my original comment; that’s where the weirdness comes into play. It highlights them being related as a genuine major plot point that they talk about a lot. If it weren’t for that prophecy, I doubt I or anyone else would actually care, but it’s there and it makes everything weird.
@@MoonkittiI would love if you made a short talking video on him. He actually had a pretty interesting life for such an irrelevant background character. He was born shortly before the Great Battle where so many cats died, which was probably a little traumatizing. He also became mates with Lilyheart and was like a foster father to Twigpaw in Vision of Shadows because Lilyheart was the one to raise Twigpaw. He died in a heart breaking mudslide as a pretty young warrior. He just seemed like such a nice and caring boi, with the few lines he was given.
When you said they dilute Thunderclan: This is exactly it, and, to me, the worst problem. I keep hoping we would have an arc that doesn't have a Thunderclan POV, not because I hate TC or because it would be new, but because there's so many nobodys it damper the clan and everything happening in i to me.
It’s fun to see which one of these “nobody” Thunderclan cats are peoples’ favourite. Personally mine is Leafshade because her name and design are cool, and the way Spotfur talks about her is funny.
I like Leafshade a lot too, but my personal favorite is Plumstone! I like to pretend she is silly and goofy >:] I also like to pretend Hollytuft is a compelling character
I've been advocating for it for years but Warriors REALLY needs a reboot. Like one set generations down the line where not even the newest born kits are around anymore. Full reset, family tree refresh where its not explained whos related to who unless its plot important, or needed to explain a relationship.
i love lilyheart because her name is so cute (plus shes named after her mother and her sister, whose death she blames herself for). also her sprite on the wiki is pretty. seedpaw's death really hit me when i read bramblestar's storm as a kid, so i remember the two of them well.
I was thinking about ThunderClan earlier, specifically Bumblestripe. I JUST finished reading Wind and I had just been assuming this whole time that he died a while ago but he's still alive! If he's spoken at ALL I just can't remember and he's a character I like
Me, limiting my starting cats to like 15-20 and allowing cross-Colony breeding, breeding with cats outside of the Colonies, and letting a cat leave their Colony to go on their own journey or to potentially join another
Remember book 1? In into the wild They had 8 warriors, 5 apprentices, and 4-5 elders and only a couple kits.and the current last book we have now thunderclan has 35 cats in total. That’s a lot of cats
I feel that most of these casts of nobodies is just fodder to fill up allegiances (wow). I find it so strange how the new team hasn't fleshed out a good majority of cats in ThunderClan, even though were in their POV for a good majority of books. It's silly to have so many characters just to do nothing with them, imo.
i feel like fernsong and ivypool is made worse by the fact that they are literally related by a prophecy. not a prophecy made for them specifically but fernsong's dad was part of the "kin of your kin" prophecy (blatantly stating that the prophecy three are kin) and ivypool's sister was part of it.
Molewhisker should become mates with Minnowtail and bring her to ThunderClan so that their babies can be unrelated to anyway and we have even the illusion of genetic diversity.
I appreciate the ocean ambiance in the background. The Harestar video is one of my favorites just because it’s so relaxing to listen to you talk over that ambiance hahaha
i think it logically always had to be, especially in the pre bluestar era when thunderclan was staunchly against letting any outsiders join. it worked when you just didn't think about it but now that we read about several generations being born and becoming adults it gets quite weird
How are they not catching animal controls attention by now? Australia has one overpopulation of feral cats, they get shot at. Especially if the new books take place in our current decade
OK new idea, we just have a mass extinction event among all the plans and we kill off basically all the cat so the clans have to start over and get outside cats to join them because there is so few cats left in the clans. I’m thinking of fire or something that spreads among all of the clans. I just think that the warrior cats books have added too many new characters at this point that are two interconnected and it’s getting a critical mass of 20.
Does anyone know what happened to the video in which Fireheart tells Bluestar’s children that she was their mother? Because I would like to be able to see it again
We need to have a purge fr, some sort of horrible event (I’m hoping for a natural disaster bigger than just a storm) that will take out a bunch of the cats and force the remaining ones to have characterization. I know that Warriors takes place in Britain and nothing interesting ever happens there but I feel like we can forget that just this once to introduce the clans to a Tornado for the first time ever. Or a hurricane, or an earthquake!!! The remaining cats will be forced to make decisions to survive which will result in characterization. Who will become followers and who will become leaders? Who will offer to go out and explore the damaged landscape? Who will be willing to make tough choices for the sake of others? And most of all who will be changed permanently by the loss of clan mates? Bonus is that it will give the books a chance to “reset” like so many fans keep calling out for, a chance for the clans to have to be built from scratch.
I want to love these background cats as much as i loved the background apprentices in power of three, but they’re not just interesting enough. Except FlipClaw. I love FlipClaw.
I'm really hoping in the new arc, since it is hinting at a new territory, we get a MASSIVE chunk of these characters gone. Either lost, dead or they just leave. Idc just make them GONE
if ThunderClan were a family tree it would be a single mutated branch with no leaves that could only be found in Alabama. Also I love ShadowClan just as much as ThunderClan but they also have a family relations issue, all the Clans do. Maybe not SkyClan but definitely the rest. ThunderClan just has it worse.
Can you make a video on the new announced ninth arc? I honestly want to hear your opinion on another possessed prophecy child arc as this will be the fourth one and it's getting old.
I'm sorry for killing icecloud
Nooo not icecloud and her 3 lines😭
bye icecloud
mousefur is furious!
Mean
i was JUST about to comment about that
Thunderclan out here begging for the "mass extinction events" toggle to be switched on.
CLANGEN REFRENCE!!!!
@@DootdootpersonTheOpossum yes! Clangen had no plot armor on any cats and can die randomly. Why can’t the books do that😑
@@sherniajones6964 Fr! But I guess it's because clangen doesn't have favorites unlike the authors, but they're only human lol
clangen ❤️
@@sherniajones6964 bcs it wouldn't make for a good story?
Thank goodness the Erins legalized cross-clan marriage. We're basically a single generation away from One Happy Family critical mass.
and the prequel series they started as one big happy family until the two brothers started arguing
*W H E E Z E* 💀💀💀
@Greenkitten45 It gave me the option to translate your comment to English 😅
@@averageanimefan519 technically they already are. i already mentioned the prequel series but i assume people don't count it?
How the lake territory hasn't been stripped dry of all prey by this point is beyond me.
Real
I wonder that too
It is big and full of prey
Maybe the hunt past their territories? Honestly I haven't even read the newer books.
@@asteroidalassassin6949 I feel like a lot of people stopped reading the newer books and I honestly don’t blame rhem
Following the warrior cats family trees is like following the progress of trying to bring an endangered species back from the brink of extinction. With only 20 or so cats in the genetic pool, in a few generations they're all cousins.
And this is assuming no cats present are already related
Stormcloud as a character irritates me because why did they even bring him in if not to make babies, new blood in thunderclan is a precious resource on par with diamonds and we're squandering it so the frostfour can continue to make their family tree into a Christmas wreath
He irritates me because they brought him up only to do NOTHING with him. He's just one more name in the allegiances and I always forget he exists
"So Frostfur can continue to make their family tree into a Christmas wreath" is the most hysterical thing I've read all day
And in the Bramblestars storm they mentioned cherryfall and stormcloud to like each other. I actually hoped to see them having babies and being a cute couple :c
Readers: you have so many useless background characters!
Erins: yes, and every time you talk about it we add 3 more
I forgot mousewhisker existed because he’s so forgotten by the wrins
"Wait they're all related?"
"Always have been."
Of course they are, Jake is everyone's father after all. Jake is your father.
These bots are all under the same channel... I think it's one person.
@@assassincat4942 Nope. it got me too.
There needs to be a earthquake or something only in thunderclan, I swear
REALLLLLL
Trueee
Big tree.
Maybe an earthquake goes through all the clans during the night, but causes a rockslide in Thunderclan's camp crushing [X] den while they are all asleep and helpless or smth
As a disaster movie enjoyer: yes please give me Threads - ThunderClan version (remember how 2-3 background characters used to die from greencough or in storms between each arc?)
And then you realise that they killed Hazeltail, Rosetail and Toadstep (Daisy's kids, new genes) without having kittens that couldve probably brought some diversity into this Alabama clan
We still have mousewhisker
@@obehiobanor7028if only mousewhisker wanted kits 😢
@@albytross8681I lowkey forgot mouse whisker existed. HE HAS NEVER EVEN BEEN MENTIONED ONCE IN THE PAST 3-4 SERIES
Well to be quite honest, Spiderleg _is_ their father. But despite having a lot of kits, Dustpelt and Ferncloud don't have the biggest ThunderClan lineage. So I suppose there is some loss of potential non incestuous partnerships here 💀
In my own fan-warriors story, the clans avoid mass inbreeding by doing an apprentice trade. Kits old enough to become apprentices are given a choice on what clan they would want to join. The clans are a lot more diplomatic and socially structured, so tensions don’t often happen when kits are traded. It’s seen as an opportunity to meet new cats and explore new places.
There’s also the scholar’s journey, where apprentices ready to become warriors may venture into unknown territories. They teach and learn from other cats, before eventually making their way back to their clan and sharing what they learned. This gives the clans a chance to diversify the gene pool, as well as advance their own societies and welcome outsiders that may be intrigued.
I love that!
@fairycat23
Aw thanks! I love talking about my fan-cats! In my OC warrior cat lore, the 6 clans encompassing the mountain territories (Cliffclan, Coastclan, Eskerclan, Mireclan, Sageclan, and Grottoclan) have not seen interpersonal war or conflict since the founding of the clans because of the many treaties and laws put in place, such as the apprentice trade. Every moon, the clans gather at Grottoclan to reunite with their birth clan’s family and friends, and throughout the seasons, many festivals are held to honor their ancestors and bond with their fellow cats.
These clans are very diverse and societally advanced as a result of this unity, to the point that these cats have entered their own form of Bronze Age, carving into mountains to make underground cities, utilizing farming methods for cultivating medicinal plants and attracting prey, and even forming alliances with other animals! They have also flourished in the wild because of their near isolation from humans. Two-legs are seen as more of a mythical creature to the cats than a genuine threat, and monsters/cars are unheard of, let alone roads.
Sorry for the rambling ;w; I have been working on and off on this lore for at least 2 years, finding new things to add to the lore of my Bronze Age cats lol
@@asleepyb0i400omg I would love to read a story like this
this is really cool
This is why cats in real life disperse when they reach physical maturity
Not always
Playing clangen really makes you aware of these issues.
Petition to take the Erins on a training that just consists of playing clangen
Ivypool dating Fernsong after having her entire arc about being jealous about not being included in the kin of Firestar's kin prophecy despite being kin is Such a writing choice. Plus the age gap!
its only about 2 years
@@Michaelcat5 I still think it's pretty weird, especially since that's a decent amount in cat time
I agree, I know they're a really popular pairing bc of the whole "male nursery queen" thing but it always felt so weird and kind of forced to me
@@firenkyo8073 I disagree, a two year age gap between two adult cats is not really weird. While real cat biology does not matter in warrior cats (as well as their aging); animals age differently. The age gap between a 2 years old and a 4 years old cat is differnt than from a 13 years old and a 15 years old cat.
@@firenkyo8073 irl my cats father is probaly about 10 years plus the mom was 6 months old
I wish they would make less cats and give the ones they do some degree of focus. The clan feels emptier than ever despite having way more cats.
my favorite part of this video is that i can seemingly hear the ocean(?) in the distance and its kind of beautiful..............
the only way to fix the family tree problem is to have a several-generation timeskip and not explain who's related to who unless it's plot important
Huh, I thought it was rain
@@wygolvillage2637what are you on about
This is why power of three is my favorite arch, yes not much happens, but at the same time so much happens, Berrynose’s love story, spiderleg’s love story, daisy’s entire thing. Breezepelt’s trauma, lionblaze’s secret. HOLLYLEAF’S EVERYTHING jayfeather’s investigations. Everything about the stick. And those are just off the top of my head. If I asked any warrior cats enjoyer to name all the background characters is power of three, they would not only be able to list the ones from tc, but also some from windclan or even sc. people complain about power of three being boring bc nothing happens, they might be right but power of three is where all the world building comes into play. Makes the world of warriors feel lived in. I know a lot of people find it mundane just to tag along on some apprentice’s daily chores but I like it.
In case ur wondering (you’re not wondering but…) my favorite scene in the whole series is in power of three, when lionpaw is tucked up ready for bed in the app’s den and the younger cats are bothering him. And then cinderpaw who had been on patrol comes in with some honey that leafpool let her keep. everyone tastes it and Poppypaw says: “It doesn’t taste like anything” >:/
There was so much world building in that one scene: older apps being annoyed by young ones, the kinship apps feel towards one another, the confirmed headcannon that apps stay up late chatting. The fact that warriors do sometimes collect useful herbs while on patrol. You just don’t see much of this in the recent archs
Power of three’s main plot sucked but it’s B plot and Side stories were pretty good, And Omen of the stars was kinda similar in that regard, the interpersonal conflicts and the day to day clan and even some dark forest shenanigans were the actual enjoyable part to me
@@loppie_445 irdek what the main plot of power of three is tbh
@@watermelon3266 dark forest gaming
My favorite part was when the three collectively thought "man I'm sure glad Crowfeather isn't my dad"
@@andistansbury4366 gotta be a close second and then when jaypaw tries to show leafpool the stick and he goes: “Why wasn’t she more interested in the stick?” (Say it out loud) gets me every time
I think one easy-quick fix would be letting the she-cats have kits without mentioning or stating who the father is. Just let the father be a mystery or make it seem like these she-cats just had a fling or something with an un-named loner who passed through the territory one day. just let these she-cats have one night stands and be single moms lol.
That still wouldn’t completely solve it though, because cats can still be related to each other through maternal family. Like how Whitewing and Birchfall are actually second cousins because their grandmothers, Brindleface and Frostfur, were sisters
@@starstorm1267 yeah that is true, i mostly made this comment as a joke tbh. Honestly I don't think they'll ever fix or mention the Incest Problem because I doubt the Erins/New Team or whoever is writing Warriors these days wants to admit to their pre-teen audience that they've been making cousins have babies with each other for the past years. *Honestly its kinda sad tbh bc cats barely acknowledge their family outside of their parents or siblings and occasionally grandparents, has there ever been a cat who acknowledged somebody as their Uncle or Cousin and not just as 'Kin' or something?*
@@starstorm1267ashfur is squirrelflights half uncle, and bramble star is her second cousin. Oh tigerstar,sandstorm, and graystripe are all cousins.
Ivy and Fern are also so funny bc there's a whole prophecy about her being related to Fern's dad!
Fr
I want to see the next series be about how there's 0 genetic diversity. Tree maps out a family tree and horrifies everyone
TNP 2 Electric Boogaloo Arc introduces cat trapping again, sends all these guys off to a farm upstate to live their nobody lives in prosperity
Goodbye Nobody’s! Hello-Possible-New- Territory!
Too many cats
jskalskdjs "Too Many Cooks: Warriors Edition"
Yup, *too many*
It's kinda funny how the new team passes on pretty much all opportunities to at least broaden the genetic diversity in ThunderClan a little. Mousewhisker? Stays single. Stormcloud? Let's ignore Vicky hinting at Cherryfall X Stormcloud in Bramblestar's Storm. Twigbranch and Finleap? Let's keep the SkyClan cats to themselves AND also have one of them not want any kits (soon) (which would be refreshing but why'd they have to pick her for that?)
Fernstripe, you're out last hope
But then fans would complain about more female cats being relegated to the "queens den" and having babies.
Could you maybe outline the difference between the authors' writing styles someday? You mention sometimes that cherith and Kate write plots differently and I'm interested in how that affects the books! Definitely no pressure but I thought I'd pose the question
it's like clockwork: every time i start binging moon's videos, it's like she predicts it and posts a new one
EXACTLY. I just finished binging the whole "talking" playlist, after almost 5 months of not watching moonkitty. And BOOOM. She posted.
Moonkitti posts every Saturday, just to let you know!
And this is why wolf packs mainly consist of the main breeding pair and their children.
im so glad someone agrees with me on the alabama-ing of warrior cats. i had a game where i would put every character in the allegiances on a spin wheel and choose two cats to find how they were related, i could almost always find a way
they probably all came from jake. smh.
Jake is everyone's father, Jake is your father
this issue is so prevalent that i thought ambermoon was a skyclan cat for the longest time since i had forgotten all of her appearances
Should have added Fernstripe and Stormcloud to the nobodies. Also it would have been worse had Snap and Fly not become kittypets
i love thinking about the nobodies and giving them personality based on 1 quote
The Erins watch this video and silently switch on “allow mass extinction events”
What I find a bit upsetting is that the Erin’s keep spawning in these cats just to kill them off - more rather, kill the ones that have the most plot. It gives you a bit of sadness for a bit up until you realize most of the Clan at that rate just become fillers who are all related to each other.
I’ve said this in the Discord and I’ll say it again; I doubt these cats will get any plot. If the Erin’s *do* end up releasing more Novellas that so happen to have a background character as the main, that’s just a background character who got lucky enough to get a super edition - such as Redtail was. But even then, at least Redtail had some kind of relevancy.
Unless something very major happens with these guys in the next arc I don’t think they are ever gonna be safe from the background disarray. Seeing the new information for Arc 9 there is a chance these guys might get a redemption if our new protagonjst DOES happen to be from ThunderClan. If not, we may as well consider these guys to be less ordinary than every coffee bean blended into coffee pods.
Hardest warrior cats challenge: name a nonimportant background character in Thunderclan during a starless clan
Bumblestripe? Maybe?
The fact that there’s an entire prophecy about Lionblaze and Jayfeather being related to Dovewing- and therefore Ivypool- makes Fernsong x Ivypool SO much worse to me. With the other cats you can kinda try to ignore everyone being related if you squint, but because they made such a point with the power of three cats being related it’s basically impossible to ignore the fact that Ivypool became mates with Lionblaze’s son. I’ve always hated the pairing because of it
I need half the clan to be killed off by some disease and replaced with loners at this point.
yeah it's definitely weird especially when they point it out. idk how you would fix the inbreeding at this point though without killing off a bunch of characters and introducing new ones from outside thunderclan and/or doing a massive time skip. they could also go back to the TPB system where biological family isn't that important and a lot of cats seemed to just materialize out of thin air
Ok they're related but consider how far apart. Lionblaze's grandpa Firestar was the uncle of Dovewing and Ivypool's grandpa Cloudtail. Ivypool and Fernsong are not even cousins, and cousin relationships were pretty common throughout history when people didn't live in huge countries but rather small tribes. It's not shocking, really
@@windylue6206 I know it’s far apart. It wouldn’t even be that noticeable if it weren’t for the Power of Three Prophecy like I said in my original comment; that’s where the weirdness comes into play. It highlights them being related as a genuine major plot point that they talk about a lot. If it weren’t for that prophecy, I doubt I or anyone else would actually care, but it’s there and it makes everything weird.
i actually like them, but the prophecy really does make it awkward
I hope the writing team is like ASSIGNED to watching your videos!
It would be so funny if you joined the writing team.
1:21 I love the name silent generation.
Yess! Timeskip generation could also fit :0
Idk maybe I’m autistic but I can’t get enough of your niche warrior cats talking vids
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The writers’ newfound refusal to kill off any kits at all has been a disaster for the background character industry
0:24 Ah yes, my favorite chatacter, Thirftear
Can we start calling it the Warriors family wreath
Snowbush, has and will remain until the end of time, my absolute favorite character.
Please explain
@@MoonkittiI would love if you made a short talking video on him. He actually had a pretty interesting life for such an irrelevant background character. He was born shortly before the Great Battle where so many cats died, which was probably a little traumatizing. He also became mates with Lilyheart and was like a foster father to Twigpaw in Vision of Shadows because Lilyheart was the one to raise Twigpaw. He died in a heart breaking mudslide as a pretty young warrior. He just seemed like such a nice and caring boi, with the few lines he was given.
I think they need a google spreadsheet to keep track of the cats, their personalities and how they should be used in the story
Warior cats: The cardboard cutout edition.
All of your videos always cause me to rant to my friends 😂
alderheart and sparkpelt have since become background characters so they can chill around with the background characters in this video
Such a bummer because Alderheart is one of my favorites. 😭
MOONKITTI AND AKIRA UPLOAD IN THE SAME DAY?! THIS IS MY LUCKING DAY 🔥🔥🔥
They always do. Both of them upload on Saturday (or Sunday depending on your time zone) an hour apart.
When you said they dilute Thunderclan: This is exactly it, and, to me, the worst problem. I keep hoping we would have an arc that doesn't have a Thunderclan POV, not because I hate TC or because it would be new, but because there's so many nobodys it damper the clan and everything happening in i to me.
It’s fun to see which one of these “nobody” Thunderclan cats are peoples’ favourite. Personally mine is Leafshade because her name and design are cool, and the way Spotfur talks about her is funny.
I like Leafshade a lot too, but my personal favorite is Plumstone! I like to pretend she is silly and goofy >:] I also like to pretend Hollytuft is a compelling character
This is partly why i advocate for a rabies arc
We get a cool zombie apocalypse arc and have the chance to thin the numbers down a lot
Why would they make so many characters if they're not gonna do anything with them?
i think they just have an idea of how big a clan "should" be and just make characters based off that
Speaking of background characters, I friggin love sootfur so much and I have no idea why, just a little goober, his death scene made me cry :c
Well the next arc is going to be a TRAVELING ARC so that'll get rid of some of them.
They really need to introduce a trap neuter release plotline in these books
I've been advocating for it for years but Warriors REALLY needs a reboot. Like one set generations down the line where not even the newest born kits are around anymore. Full reset, family tree refresh where its not explained whos related to who unless its plot important, or needed to explain a relationship.
i love lilyheart because her name is so cute (plus shes named after her mother and her sister, whose death she blames herself for). also her sprite on the wiki is pretty. seedpaw's death really hit me when i read bramblestar's storm as a kid, so i remember the two of them well.
I was thinking about ThunderClan earlier, specifically Bumblestripe. I JUST finished reading Wind and I had just been assuming this whole time that he died a while ago but he's still alive! If he's spoken at ALL I just can't remember and he's a character I like
will watch the video in a sec but i'm biting and shaking!!!! hollytuft talking REAL!!!!
Warrior Cats DESPERATELY needs a soft reset. Completely new cast of characters, new family tree, all of it.
Me, limiting my starting cats to like 15-20 and allowing cross-Colony breeding, breeding with cats outside of the Colonies, and letting a cat leave their Colony to go on their own journey or to potentially join another
digging the atmospheric ambient waves
Remember book 1? In into the wild They had 8 warriors, 5 apprentices, and 4-5 elders and only a couple kits.and the current last book we have now thunderclan has 35 cats in total. That’s a lot of cats
@11:40 you mean Icecloud right XD Icewing is the Riverclan cat, Icecloud is Ferncloud's kitten.
I dont care what the website or wiki say..the books never say that Whitestorm is Ashfur and Ferncloud 's father, therefore; it isn't canon.
I feel that most of these casts of nobodies is just fodder to fill up allegiances (wow). I find it so strange how the new team hasn't fleshed out a good majority of cats in ThunderClan, even though were in their POV for a good majority of books. It's silly to have so many characters just to do nothing with them, imo.
i feel like fernsong and ivypool is made worse by the fact that they are literally related by a prophecy. not a prophecy made for them specifically but fernsong's dad was part of the "kin of your kin" prophecy (blatantly stating that the prophecy three are kin) and ivypool's sister was part of it.
I say we bring back tiger star and his plan to wipe out thunderclan with the dogs
What I don’t get I why Thunderclan act like they need more warriors when they have way more than the other clans combined.
Molewhisker should become mates with Minnowtail and bring her to ThunderClan so that their babies can be unrelated to anyway and we have even the illusion of genetic diversity.
Do you think Shinzo Abe used Thunderclan as his ideal model when trying to solve Japan's population crisis
I appreciate the ocean ambiance in the background. The Harestar video is one of my favorites just because it’s so relaxing to listen to you talk over that ambiance hahaha
i love the ocean waves in the background
ThunderClan’s family tree is a circle at this point
i think it logically always had to be, especially in the pre bluestar era when thunderclan was staunchly against letting any outsiders join. it worked when you just didn't think about it but now that we read about several generations being born and becoming adults it gets quite weird
this is the best moonkitti video i love not understanding family trees its like a hobby to me
i love the Dovewing Counter. this is how we should measure time from now on
Day one of asking: will you go over crookedstars promise? More specifically his mother and how in earth she ended up in starclan.
Treat the clans' NPCs like star trek red shirts, always works 👌 (btw, I would love a breakdown of the clans' entire genealogy)
As someone who skipped vision of shadows and the last hope I got really confused when I saw like 20 or so more cats in the broken code
Not me getting the idea of creating ThunderClan, RiverClan, ShadowClan, and WindClan in clangen
Moonkitti and BrightGuardianAkira posting at the same time lol
How are they not catching animal controls attention by now? Australia has one overpopulation of feral cats, they get shot at. Especially if the new books take place in our current decade
Europeans dont care about their local wildlife mostly
OK new idea, we just have a mass extinction event among all the plans and we kill off basically all the cat so the clans have to start over and get outside cats to join them because there is so few cats left in the clans. I’m thinking of fire or something that spreads among all of the clans. I just think that the warrior cats books have added too many new characters at this point that are two interconnected and it’s getting a critical mass of 20.
I knew these "no mating with cats outside the clan" rules would be meh for the gene pool in the long run :|
Does anyone know what happened to the video in which Fireheart tells Bluestar’s children that she was their mother? Because I would like to be able to see it again
We need to have a purge fr, some sort of horrible event (I’m hoping for a natural disaster bigger than just a storm) that will take out a bunch of the cats and force the remaining ones to have characterization. I know that Warriors takes place in Britain and nothing interesting ever happens there but I feel like we can forget that just this once to introduce the clans to a Tornado for the first time ever. Or a hurricane, or an earthquake!!! The remaining cats will be forced to make decisions to survive which will result in characterization. Who will become followers and who will become leaders? Who will offer to go out and explore the damaged landscape? Who will be willing to make tough choices for the sake of others? And most of all who will be changed permanently by the loss of clan mates? Bonus is that it will give the books a chance to “reset” like so many fans keep calling out for, a chance for the clans to have to be built from scratch.
I want to love these background cats as much as i loved the background apprentices in power of three, but they’re not just interesting enough.
Except FlipClaw. I love FlipClaw.
So cute and too many! 🥰
I put this on for my friends who know very little about warrior cats while they were at my house the other day and they were surprisingly engaged
I would watch a whole video on how related all the cats are I was literally screaming that WHOLE section
this is out of topic but hear me out, warrior cats as fast food restaurants
I'm really hoping in the new arc, since it is hinting at a new territory, we get a MASSIVE chunk of these characters gone. Either lost, dead or they just leave. Idc just make them GONE
if ThunderClan were a family tree it would be a single mutated branch with no leaves that could only be found in Alabama. Also I love ShadowClan just as much as ThunderClan but they also have a family relations issue, all the Clans do. Maybe not SkyClan but definitely the rest. ThunderClan just has it worse.
me staring at the dovewing counter
Are you able to do thrushpelt? I feel like hes super underrated
Ambermoon snowbush and dewnose are so out of the narrative i forgot brightheart had any kids other than whitewing
Me too. 😭
Can you make a video on the new announced ninth arc? I honestly want to hear your opinion on another possessed prophecy child arc as this will be the fourth one and it's getting old.
PLEASE WE NEED DAPPLETAIL!
Im begging ya
12:02 I was like "What?! Icewing isn't dead yet." then saw in the comments that you meant Icecloud
I've never said this to another woman before, but I think your voice is cute, Moon
Was this video recorded outside? It sounds like wind. I always had the impression that Ivypool had no interest in having kits.