Multiple rats, though. It all comes down to action economy. Rats are more, so rats have more actions, pack tactics, and are more spread out in the initiative order, leaving them better able to react to the cats' actions.
Omg yeah, my 21 year old cat who was deaf and in kidney failure caught a mouse in the house when I turned my back on her for 2 minutes LOL I wasn't feeding her fast enough so she got her own food xD
my cat who's like 10-11 is uh... she's 4 pounds overweight (Which is a lot for a cat), very lazy, and yet, can still catch mice And then we have the 1 year old cat who's afraid to go outside
@@Bri-zq6ct this particular cat usually took me around 10-15 minutes to prepare food for LOL she was old and very picky about her food. The two minutes my back was turned was just me trying to wash my hands in peace xD I shut the door to the bathroom so she couldn't follow me in and paw at me and yell about how hungry she was. She went quiet outside the bathroom so I peeked out to check on her and she had a mouse she'd just killed??? I didn't know she had it in her LOL I miss her a lot
For some reason I imagine as soon as a cat becomes a warrior, they're suddenly bigger, for no reason I can never imagine a cat with the name paw to be the size of their mentor
For me it's like that with voices. An apprentice has a cute child like kiddy voice until the moment they're made warriors, then they sound like young adults working for some fastfood chain
“I am starving in the woods-“ “I ate this grass and aged 10 years” “Honeyfur you test me” “My time in the wild has changed me-“ And the best- *”VROOM VROOM”* *Seriously kits growing is like pokemon-* Mistystar though, please- you’re taking your time-
I always imagine kits as tiny, then the second they become apprentices they grow bigger, then they grow even more when reciving their warrior name. Its so wierd. Like they get a sudden growth spurt XD
Honestly I don’t care about “canon designs” or sizes or ages or whatever, my head is where the TRUE canon is made (Leafpool and Heathertail has swirly stripes I don’t care what the wiki says!)
Pinestar was either the same age as or older than Leopardfoot's grandmother. Her grandma is Flashnose, who was an apprentice at the same time as Pinestar. Pinestar became Pineheart before Flashnose got her name, but Pinestar got his name because of "bravery" in battle rather than a scheduled assessment. Soooooo I'll put that thought in your heads
I remember reading one of the books where thornclaw and someone else was listening to the elder’s stories about the old forest. Even though thornclaw is old enough to remember the forest and is I think the same age as like brightheart and brackenfur. I was so confused lol
Or that time in _The Silent Thaw_ when Tigerheartstar talks about the battle with the Dark Forest as if he wasn't born yet... even though he literally _fought in the battle_ alongside Ivypool. I blame the intern ghostwriters. :P
I think about that a lot, perhaps it had to do with Bluestar's leadership vs Firestar's. Fire was always trying to avoid battle where able, but Blue met it always when it appeared. Perhaps cats never lived long in her Clan because of that, which is why she needed Rusty.
REALLY wouldn't surprise me if they forgot Thornclaw's age/siblings - I noticed in The Silent Thaw everyone takes for granted that Tigerstar was born after the Great Battle, which... my mans was literally a Dark Forest trainee. I would love for someone to read these books once before they are published.
The books have been.. slacking, horribly. The writing is getting worse and worse, and they're just dragging out a series they should've ended AGES ago, tbh
@@moonlobotomy9061 Yup. Tigerheartstar says he was too young to remember the Battle, despite being a Dark Forest Trainee and he fought in the actual battle. But this isn't the 1st time they messed up on a character badly. Poor Redtail....
Like he was literally a warrior when Dovewing was an apprentice, and Dovewing's whole character was about her power being related to the upcoming Dark Forest battle. I'll never understand why the Erins do not have a universe bible they rely on. The fans know more about the series than the authors do.
So a cat's eyes dont become their true color until a few months or days after they are born and they are blue up until that point? *Dovewing has been solved!*
The size things always throw me off, especially when there is no clear sign on how tall a cat is. The only description we really get is how they cats are "thick with muscle" and I think that's majority for the Tigerclaw bloodline. When I read warriors and it talks about apprentices getting their ceremony and mentor I always picture them as smaller because that's how I feel the book makes them out to be. They are meant to be "kids" in a way or teens so in my head it makes sense they would be smaller than mentors who are classed as adults, but then during the apprenticeship there is no progress on their growth or their size, so much that when it comes to their warrior ceremony I'm still picturing them as small until they just pokemon evolve to their adult size. Yet with the new series of the Broken Code I always felt that Bristlefrost was normal cat sized, even as an apprentice and I don't know why. I imagined Shadowsight as smaller due to being Dovewing's kid and getting her height from him but chances are, with Tigerclaw blood through his veins he'll probably be an average sized cat, if not bigger. I don't know if the book mentioning descriptions of the cat's height would help or not. Obviously its not meant to be following strict cat biology and I personally don't mind apprentices being smaller than their mentors but it is still something that throws me out of the fantasy element for a moment.
There's a feral barn cat that my family had that lived outside. Half a year ago she walked into our house, and after like... 20 years outside we figure she deserves the rest of her time resting in the warmth of our house on the comfy couch cushions.
I feel like cats should only become elders if they want to (unless if they become too weak or sickly to stay a warrior). I once had a cat who was born in the wild. We took her in when she was about one or two, and she took down whole rabbit warrens and crow nests until she was about seventeen, when she got a nasty ear infection and died a year later. Basically I’m saying if an older cat can still perform the tasks of a warrior and still wants to, there’s no reason why they should be sent to the elders den.
Anachrondologically I’m pretty sure that’s how it works now, one example is sometime when Bramblestar became the new leader of Thunderclan, he suggested to Sandstorm that she should retire and she turned him down and retired later. We also see many cats retire only when they ask the leader to do so. So I suppose nobody forces them to become elders, it’s just that the cats have enough common sense to know when they should retire (Sick/injured etc.)
You already know that the wild cats are in the books and normally the life expectancy of wild cats is not particularly high. As often told and chewed in the books Illnesses and injuries so that they retire earlier.
I was literally just thinking about this. I finally got my hands on Hawkwing's Journey and when I saw the seven to eight month old apprentices I was confused seeing them be less than half the size of all the other cats around them in the manga insert at the end. They were like, two months old, or at least looked like it, but were clearly 'paws because of their names and context from the book.
I once said on a warriors twitch stream where they were drawing Yellowfang, “Who names their completely black kit Yellowkit?” Because they’re named before their eyes open so the mother would have no way of knowing the colour of their eyes. This video proved my point even more, saying that all kittens are born with dark blue eyes
It would be really interesting to see a take on like, how the harshness of living outside causes cats to "age quicker" (they're under way more stress than their kittypet counterparts after all), but I highly doubt any of that is intentional
When I was a kid, there was a lady in our neighborhood that let her cats roam free because she believed that they had secret cat meetings out in the woods. I have a hunch she read warrior cats. Her cats were neighborhood pests that killed small animals indiscriminately (once they murdered a whole den of baby rabbits, leaving their corpses strewn about our lawn) and more than once simply disappeared, either killed somehow or trapped and sent to animal control because they didn't wear collars. She continued to get new cats to replace the ones that vanished. Please don't ever be that woman.
Man. No harm in an outdoor cat, that occasionally may kill a squirrel, or shrew, and bring it to you. But not putting a flea collar on them, or keeping them inside at night? Nothing? Just adopting a cat and practically abandoning them outside, maybe given them some food or water? Edit: Actually "no harm in an outdoor cat" is only mostly true, but it does lower their lifespan, you can let them enjoy the outdoors, or you can let them live longer, your choice, both are valid.
@@lilythearcticfox 1. Indoor cats are safe and cozy inside, they can't get stolen or hit by cars 2. They are cleaner and unlikely to catch diseases, however outdoor cats are sick and dirty all the time, also can't catch rabies 3. Indoor cats are easier to socialize, since the cats living outdoors can escape wherever they want but indoor cats just have to get used to the petting eventually without escaping somewhere 4. It's good for the ecosystem. Cats hunt birds and other endangered small animals. Plus rats spread toxoplasmosis in cats.
When I am reading the books I ALWAYS picture the apprentices has half the size of their mentors, and as soon as that Warrior ceremony takes place. *pop* Full size.
I like to imagine that Crowfeather looks more like a magpie because he gets so pissy when it comes to his children and home (context: swooping season in Australia)
whenever a cat goes from kit to apprentice or apprentice to warrior i just imagine that cat evolving like in pokemon and just looks bigger than the previous "stage"
Alright here me out here...but I honestly recommend reading and or watching Watership Down. Its an old timey version of warrior cats just with Rabbits and it's more realistic and a lot darker. I've been mentally comparing Warriors and Watership Down for a while now and what you were just talking about brought it to the forefront. The author specific sent the book to a rabbit specialist and made him a consultant just so he could have realistic bunnies. It's not a perfect book it drags on at times and goes on tangents. But I personally think somewhere between Warriors and Watership Down there a masterpiece book series. P.S: I want it to be noted that I wasn't kidding about how dark the book is. Read and or watch at your own discretion. I haven't watched the neflix one but I would not let a kid under 12 watch the original.
Help, I looked it up. That is terrifying, from a cat it wouldn't be as bad (since they're predators) but a rabbit? That's giving me Holy Grail vibes, but horror
It makes me wonder what kind of stuff goes on behind the scenes, I write about alien life a lot and I tend to make a ton of spreadsheets and documented behind the scenes to keep track of the characters, language/phrases, society, tools, really anything that I might need in the story. I wonder if they do anything like this or if it's a lot more simplified and that's why there are so many plot holes.
I remember when people used to think there was some "warriors bible" that the authors kept to look stuff up/keep notes Idk if people still think this lol
“Yes I know that there are rare cat breeds where you can breed blue eyes into a cat, but they’re rare cat breeds these are cats living outside...,” -Moonkitti 2020
I remember in vision of shadows Thornclaw talking angrily about how Darktail and the kin wouldn't take care of the shadowclan elders like Ratscar, which was amusing since Thornclaw was a senior warrior when Ratscar was a kitten and still kept talking like he was younger than him.
lots of great points here as always moon!! even though i know it's not factually accurate i've always enjoyed the aesthetic idea of apprentices starting off like half the size of their mentors and then being full-grown by the time they become warriors. i just feel like if warriors were in a visual medium that's what would make the most sense to me, to visually convey them growing up as they train.
Mistystar is probably the only leader to actually literally live almost nine lives. She’s survived for something like four times the life of a normal warrior cat
"haha you can't be mates with someone from another clan" "But I'm related to everyone here.." "doesn't matter haha, your children will be healthy even though there's probably a lot of in breeding in this clan after a bunch of generations LOL"
I remember in Bluestar's prophecy, when Bluekit asked Moonflower why Thrushpelt was smaller than his clanmates. Moonflower replied that he was smaller because he was a young warrior and would grow. Say an apprenticeship lasts 6 moons, he would be a year old, including the 6 moons he was a kit. Wouldn't he be totally be full grown 😂😂
Y'know, what I love about warriors is that cats are the size of foxes, badgers and some dogs, and yet, warrior cats still draws them like they are FREAKING 5 feet TALL. I love warriors.
I don't remember where I read it, but I'm pretty sure becoming an elder is a choice. You only join the elder's den if you can no longer serve the clan. That includes Longtail joining the elder's den because his eyes were scratched out and Mousefur joining because she is just too old and slow to hunt anymore. So the fact that Thornclaw didn't join the elder's den but his siblings did kinda make sense if he can still serve the clan and they cannot.
Speaking of elders, they really like to use the elders den as a character trash can in the books. imo the elders should just be treated as senior warriors that dont need to go on patrols and can fill in for the leader and deputy when they're not around. Whenever the leader has meetings with the dep &/or medcat the elders can join in and give valuable input because they've been doing this stuff since before THESE CATS HAVE BEEN BORN ! STOP MAKING CLEANING UP AFTER THEM A PUNISHMENT FFS SHOW THESE BA WARRIOR SOME RESPECT! Also elder should become elders when they get too frail to fight and hunt not a strict age.
I agree with you Moonkitti, I've taken care of many cats in kittens over the years and yet Warriors always seem to make big mistakes on how cat behaves and what their actual like. Though they did get one thing right cats have their own personalities, two cats aren't alike in the slightest.
I tend to exaggerate size difference for apprentices in animation for visual clarity, though I'd definitely love to focus on anatomy a bit more and make some pieces with more accurate sizes-- i especially enjoy depictions of swiftpaw as clearly adult since that was so much of the reason for everything that happened with him
New Warrior Cats club: The Immortal Cats Member 1. Mistystar Member 2. Graystripe Member 3. Stormfur (please tell me more members) Edit: also who's a bigger traitor, Stormfur or Graystripe? FATHER OR SON
In the same way I'm always struggling to decide what voice to give the cats in my head. At what point does the young child-like voice of an apprentice turn into a young adult voice of a warrior? Somewhere in the last phase of their apprenticeship? Or do they keep their kid voice for a little longer even after they're made warriors (to be honest I like the idea of the newest junior warriors till having child-like voices while earning their respect from the seniors). I feel awkward to change the voice right at their warrior ceremony because it's so unnatural, but it's the rule I go by because I have no other sense of how old they actually are. Same goes for younger warriors and older ones. At what point does a young adult voice become a senior warrior voice? My interpretation of bramblestar still has the same voice I gave him all the way back in arc 2 (which is his young adult - newbie warrior voice) even though he's one of the oldest cats in ThunderClan, while other cats way younger than him (mainly side characters though) already have an elder's voice in my head. I just have no idea how to age these cats
I saw this thing that someone said Feathertail was a Maine coon. Yes, Graystripe is fluffy but Willowpelt and Silverstream are never said to have fluffy fur at all which makes it pretty much impossible for Feathertail to be a Maine Coon. There was also (on the same video) a statement that Stormfur was not a Maine Coon which is absurd. Two cats from the same litter have to have the same breed, regardless of if that breed is mixed or how long their fur is. They’re still the same breed
Domestic shorthairs and domestic longhairs are the cat equivalent of mutts. Also, when referring to breed, many times, especially in shelters, tend to say something is a certain breed simply to describe their traits. Happened with my supposedly hypoallergenic Russian blue cat with his tabby brother. _They were not_
Cats in shelters are mostly i guess about 90% always "mutts". We don't have cat shelters where im from, but the false breed labeling happens with dogs here when it's obviously a mix lol.
My cat turns 10 this year and she still runs around and hunts and is pretty playful. I consider her middle-aged, not an elder. And my grandparents cat is 17 and while she still hunts but she definitely just lays around a lot more and chills out. She's an elder.
I'm someone who enjoys making up voices for the characters and sometimes reading out loud I always imagine kits and apprentices having more high voices But then once they're warriors their voices are just Deeper Instantly
I feel like Dawn or the Clans did it well for kits/ apprentices In one book Turtle Tail's kits were still described as kits but Gray Wing said that they were almost fully grown but they still were "kits", or maybe they were 5 or 6 moons old but they were "almost fully grown" but still "kits" Edit: In books newly apprenticed cats are called half grown but to me that doesn't mean half the size of a warrior it means they are halfway through growing
I just like to think warriors are their own little breed that's emerged from them all living together and having children with each other for a couple decades that can have fur patterns, eye colours and special traits that you could usually only get from a special breed
If you think about it, Brokenstar’s ideas about kits being trained by something like 3 moons would work, it was just executed horribly by a cat in a bad state of mind for it. If someone like Firestar did it, it would work out fine. He’s a smarter, and moral cat. I think he could of done it easily.
You shouldn't use the word "triggered" to mean "annoyed" or "angry". A 'trigger' is something a person who has experienced significant psychological trauma/ and or abuse in the past can suffer from. Misusing the word like this is offensive towards them and disrespectful.
@@Chaiiuna As stated before, using it to mean angry or upset is still insulting and disrespectful to people suffering from abuse, trauma, and PTSD and should NOT be used in this kind of context. Finind or make a new word.
We recently got a kit with some health problems. Her eyes were all gunky and she could barely open them. When she finally did open them fully it was the normal pale blue color. My parents assumed something was wrong with her but, because I watched this video, I knew that her eyes would change. Thanks Moonkitti, you saved my parents a trip to the vet.
My kitten is four months old now and already bigger than one of my previous adult cats. And yet he's still half the size of my other cat who just happens to be really big. Four months is also the age cats are generally recommended to get fixed nowadays if that puts any perspective on cat age, at six months an apprentice is fully capable of having a litter of kits although its still young enough that the pregnancy could be difficult much like human teen pregnancies I'd think.
They likely act like they're super fragile and ancient because then they can have the younger cats waiting on them paw and back paw. You can't convince them that some of the more snarky elders didn't skew the tales of their youth to make things seem harder or themselves look more heroic.
It does actually and it is a serious ailment if they get it Even if they don't show signs, lyme disease affects the nervous system, kidneys, especially kidneys, and like the joints. It can certainly kill them and the worst part is cats don't always show symptoms, so that makes it more dangerous.
@@kayak4111 it is worth mentioning that not all ticks actually carry Lyme disease. I can’t remember exactly which one it is, but there are basically dog ticks and deer ticks, and only the rarer of the two spread the disease.
@@Shaun_Jones This is late, but the deer tick is the one that can spread Lyme disease. The dog tick can actually carry it, but it can't spread it to my knowledge. Dog ticks can spread other diseases though.
It "clearly" states in bramblestars storm that they have to choose to become elders becuase one of the chunks of words is "good luck convincing them(dustpelt etc.) to move to the elders den"
he is older than Ravenpaw and he is still living in Graystripe's vow. And in Ravenpaw's path, Ravenpaw died way before Barley. Barley is still living to this day. I think he is immortal like Graystripe.
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You know, Warrior Cats is like
"Cats are stronger than foxes, cougars, badgers, and above all dogs, but they cannot defeat a rat"
I think you mean they cannot defeat a branch.
And hares. They’re invincible against hares for some reason except longtail
Multiple rats, though. It all comes down to action economy. Rats are more, so rats have more actions, pack tactics, and are more spread out in the initiative order, leaving them better able to react to the cats' actions.
Priscabc It’s real aoe spell hours
My grandfather always told me that cats do not face adult rats, since they are way too big. They only fight young ones.
When I think of a cat becoming an apprentice or Warrior I just see them evolving like Pokémon
Basically lillipup
your firepaw is evolving!
Firepaw has evolved to Fireheart
@@elemental2503 _Spoilers:_
Fireheart has evolved to Firestar
Don't worry your not the only one
6 year old cats in warriors: *dies of old age*
My 20 year old cat: *still catching mice even if she forgets where she is sometimes*
Omg yeah, my 21 year old cat who was deaf and in kidney failure caught a mouse in the house when I turned my back on her for 2 minutes LOL I wasn't feeding her fast enough so she got her own food xD
We have a 16 year old cat who barely eats but at night she's full on kitten and eating everything and we don't understand her cenile butt
my cat who's like 10-11 is uh... she's 4 pounds overweight (Which is a lot for a cat), very lazy, and yet, can still catch mice
And then we have the 1 year old cat who's afraid to go outside
@@sweetteahyung6351 it took you 2min to feed you cat
@@Bri-zq6ct this particular cat usually took me around 10-15 minutes to prepare food for LOL she was old and very picky about her food. The two minutes my back was turned was just me trying to wash my hands in peace xD I shut the door to the bathroom so she couldn't follow me in and paw at me and yell about how hungry she was. She went quiet outside the bathroom so I peeked out to check on her and she had a mouse she'd just killed??? I didn't know she had it in her LOL I miss her a lot
No matter how old he is, Tigerstar is big
he a chonk
L L chonk chart
1 kit
2 apprentice
3 warrior
4 pregnant queen
5 Tigerstar
Absolute unit
he C H ON K
I mean hes a maine coon or something like that so he's a 18 (or so) pound chonk
Getting bigger as a warrior from being an apprentice according to warriors works like pokemon evolution
true
It said this video was posted 30 mins ago for me and then your comment says 23 mins ago...noice comment by the way.
Yo I saw holly leaf killer of the blonde edgelord, beware
Me too buddy
Me too...
@@alpineheart_ snitches get stitches
Purdy is Immortal, on the other hand, I am not.
Hollyleaf killer of blonde edgelord that Hollyleaf face is perfect for this comment
Well, I hate to break it to you.....
I saw the blonde edgelord
@@biohazard4115 hmmmm
I saw ashfur the blonde edgelord, too
For some reason I imagine as soon as a cat becomes a warrior, they're suddenly bigger, for no reason
I can never imagine a cat with the name paw to be the size of their mentor
same
same, or even bigger than their mentor--
For me it's like that with voices. An apprentice has a cute child like kiddy voice until the moment they're made warriors, then they sound like young adults working for some fastfood chain
I imagine the apprentices as stupid sassy rebels and the moment they get their warrior name they are a calm collected strong giant muscular cat ;-;
same, it just makes it easier to tell who's who
“I am starving in the woods-“
“I ate this grass and aged 10 years”
“Honeyfur you test me”
“My time in the wild has changed me-“
And the best- *”VROOM VROOM”*
*Seriously kits growing is like pokemon-*
Mistystar though, please- you’re taking your time-
Dittoquil The Fox why do I love this comment so much??
We all like this comment apparently.
“The cats practice religion”
dangit guys im sorry
Mistystar is immortal
L
“The infant hole”
-that one weird battle cats person
"Catniss"
I N F A N T . H O L E .
I always imagine kits as tiny, then the second they become apprentices they grow bigger, then they grow even more when reciving their warrior name. Its so wierd. Like they get a sudden growth spurt XD
Kajsa Aronsen ikr, I do the same for some odd reason, probably the I spoil videos
Like Pokemon evolution
The scratch games all do that
Ikr
Yeah
Cat Size: *C H O N K Y*
Honestly I don’t care about “canon designs” or sizes or ages or whatever, my head is where the TRUE canon is made (Leafpool and Heathertail has swirly stripes I don’t care what the wiki says!)
Also Shadowsight with red eyes.
And pink-eyed Nightcloud.
*And green-eyed Dovewing.*
Purple eyed Ravenpaw!!
Breezepelt has yellow eyes and flecks on his fur
@@juliaguevara4512 yellow hearts on his back
“I am mouse years old.”
“Who are you talking tooooooooooo”
This killed me.
Whitestorm was old at 5
Squirrelflight’s 8 and supposed to be leader soon.
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Wow. I didn't know you liked warrior cats. I'm a sub, lol. :D
Hopefully
That's stupid
I guess cats have alot of totems of undying
Also I love ur vids oof
In this world, apprentices are calling 20-year-olds 'boomers' and the older warriors are agreeing with it.
Lol.
Let’s not talk about how LEOPARDFOOT had kits with Pinestar.
Pinestar was leader before Leopardkit was born
Yep and let's not forget that he's older then both of Leopardfoots parents ;D;
PastellCandy *what the fricc-*
@@dfae5638 And Ashfur was both a warrior when Squirrelflight was born _and_ her half-uncle!
Yeah, but even so I am inclined to believe that Pinestar was pretty young for a leader,not as young as Firestar was though,and he is still a lot older
Pinestar was either the same age as or older than Leopardfoot's grandmother. Her grandma is Flashnose, who was an apprentice at the same time as Pinestar. Pinestar became Pineheart before Flashnose got her name, but Pinestar got his name because of "bravery" in battle rather than a scheduled assessment. Soooooo I'll put that thought in your heads
I’m just waiting for Heavystep to accidentally come back in a book
ITS GONNA BE SOON
Theres a new warriors arc coming back soon...
OOOOOOHHHH HEAVYSTEP
Mistystar the wise.... Has anyone noticed that she was born back when spottedleaf was spottedpaw? She has been alive for all the books... Help
SHES TOO OLD
MelloTheMarsh she is immortal
I believe she is 11 or 12 years old now... wow Mistystar is very old
@@lokirae3 she's actually closer to 16, almost 17 years
@@Sugarsugarkittycat Goddamn! Mistystar, please, you're too old, like... we could use a new leader now... just retire...
I remember reading one of the books where thornclaw and someone else was listening to the elder’s stories about the old forest. Even though thornclaw is old enough to remember the forest and is I think the same age as like brightheart and brackenfur. I was so confused lol
Summer Heine he is Brackenfur and Brighthearts brother... the authors always forget, smh.
Or that time in _The Silent Thaw_ when Tigerheartstar talks about the battle with the Dark Forest as if he wasn't born yet... even though he literally _fought in the battle_ alongside Ivypool.
I blame the intern ghostwriters. :P
I'm still confused as to why Whitestorm was considered very old at like 5 years...
Same thing happened to Spiderleg
I’m sorry but I didn’t HAVE any cookies 5 months ago so that can’t possibly be true
He would be more middle aged
Same! I didn't find out until recently that he was the same age as Tigerstar!
I think about that a lot, perhaps it had to do with Bluestar's leadership vs Firestar's. Fire was always trying to avoid battle where able, but Blue met it always when it appeared. Perhaps cats never lived long in her Clan because of that, which is why she needed Rusty.
*heavystep wants to know your location*
XD
Ok I’m at (insert specific river ten miles away here)
At 6 and a half moons they stop drinking coffee
Edit: Lol ThnaKs
REALLY wouldn't surprise me if they forgot Thornclaw's age/siblings - I noticed in The Silent Thaw everyone takes for granted that Tigerstar was born after the Great Battle, which... my mans was literally a Dark Forest trainee. I would love for someone to read these books once before they are published.
I haven't even read it but did they mess up Tigerstar's age THAT bad
The books have been.. slacking, horribly. The writing is getting worse and worse, and they're just dragging out a series they should've ended AGES ago, tbh
@@moonlobotomy9061 Yup. Tigerheartstar says he was too young to remember the Battle, despite being a Dark Forest Trainee and he fought in the actual battle. But this isn't the 1st time they messed up on a character badly. Poor Redtail....
Like he was literally a warrior when Dovewing was an apprentice, and Dovewing's whole character was about her power being related to the upcoming Dark Forest battle. I'll never understand why the Erins do not have a universe bible they rely on. The fans know more about the series than the authors do.
Well, this might explain why Tigerstar changes personnality between arc 4 and 6...
So a cat's eyes dont become their true color until a few months or days after they are born and they are blue up until that point?
*Dovewing has been solved!*
THANK THE HEAVENS
@@blobbertmcblob4888 well its more of an explanation than just randomly changing eye colors
I know! I saw dove wings eyes become gold, green, blue, and amber!
@@julianmatthew9392 what? About? Starclan?
Yep
The size things always throw me off, especially when there is no clear sign on how tall a cat is. The only description we really get is how they cats are "thick with muscle" and I think that's majority for the Tigerclaw bloodline.
When I read warriors and it talks about apprentices getting their ceremony and mentor I always picture them as smaller because that's how I feel the book makes them out to be. They are meant to be "kids" in a way or teens so in my head it makes sense they would be smaller than mentors who are classed as adults, but then during the apprenticeship there is no progress on their growth or their size, so much that when it comes to their warrior ceremony I'm still picturing them as small until they just pokemon evolve to their adult size.
Yet with the new series of the Broken Code I always felt that Bristlefrost was normal cat sized, even as an apprentice and I don't know why. I imagined Shadowsight as smaller due to being Dovewing's kid and getting her height from him but chances are, with Tigerclaw blood through his veins he'll probably be an average sized cat, if not bigger.
I don't know if the book mentioning descriptions of the cat's height would help or not. Obviously its not meant to be following strict cat biology and I personally don't mind apprentices being smaller than their mentors but it is still something that throws me out of the fantasy element for a moment.
thicc with muscle*
Also thought paws were shorter cuz with the whole mentor and apprentice touching noses and how the paws always had to look up at their mentors
There's a feral barn cat that my family had that lived outside. Half a year ago she walked into our house, and after like... 20 years outside we figure she deserves the rest of her time resting in the warmth of our house on the comfy couch cushions.
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I feel like being an elder is like retiring from a job
Same, because in the allegiances, the elders are listed at "Former warriors and queens now -retired- " so yeah, that's basically what it is
Spiderleg being old still makes me laugh.
I feel like cats should only become elders if they want to (unless if they become too weak or sickly to stay a warrior). I once had a cat who was born in the wild. We took her in when she was about one or two, and she took down whole rabbit warrens and crow nests until she was about seventeen, when she got a nasty ear infection and died a year later. Basically I’m saying if an older cat can still perform the tasks of a warrior and still wants to, there’s no reason why they should be sent to the elders den.
Anachrondologically I’m pretty sure that’s how it works now, one example is sometime when Bramblestar became the new leader of Thunderclan, he suggested to Sandstorm that she should retire and she turned him down and retired later. We also see many cats retire only when they ask the leader to do so. So I suppose nobody forces them to become elders, it’s just that the cats have enough common sense to know when they should retire (Sick/injured etc.)
You already know that the wild cats are in the books and normally the life expectancy of wild cats is not particularly high. As often told and chewed in the books Illnesses and injuries so that they retire earlier.
@@nether322 Though medicine cats exist. This isn't BloodClan with everyone out for themselves alone.
I was literally just thinking about this. I finally got my hands on Hawkwing's Journey and when I saw the seven to eight month old apprentices I was confused seeing them be less than half the size of all the other cats around them in the manga insert at the end. They were like, two months old, or at least looked like it, but were clearly 'paws because of their names and context from the book.
I once said on a warriors twitch stream where they were drawing Yellowfang, “Who names their completely black kit Yellowkit?” Because they’re named before their eyes open so the mother would have no way of knowing the colour of their eyes. This video proved my point even more, saying that all kittens are born with dark blue eyes
It would be really interesting to see a take on like, how the harshness of living outside causes cats to "age quicker" (they're under way more stress than their kittypet counterparts after all), but I highly doubt any of that is intentional
So was Tallstar like 20 when he died? After all he died of old age.
Courtney Amber Wait.. didn’t he die of Exhaustion?
@@blackbutlerfanuwu3310 It was a mixture of his age, as he was the oldest leader at the time, and the long journey to the lake. So...both I suppose.
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Tallstar was 10 when he dies.... Like 120 moons or something I think
I think Crookedstar died of old age tho?
moonkitti talking about warriors is genuinely my favourite type of video
When I was a kid, there was a lady in our neighborhood that let her cats roam free because she believed that they had secret cat meetings out in the woods. I have a hunch she read warrior cats. Her cats were neighborhood pests that killed small animals indiscriminately (once they murdered a whole den of baby rabbits, leaving their corpses strewn about our lawn) and more than once simply disappeared, either killed somehow or trapped and sent to animal control because they didn't wear collars. She continued to get new cats to replace the ones that vanished.
Please don't ever be that woman.
Man. No harm in an outdoor cat, that occasionally may kill a squirrel, or shrew, and bring it to you. But not putting a flea collar on them, or keeping them inside at night? Nothing? Just adopting a cat and practically abandoning them outside, maybe given them some food or water?
Edit: Actually "no harm in an outdoor cat" is only mostly true, but it does lower their lifespan, you can let them enjoy the outdoors, or you can let them live longer, your choice, both are valid.
@@lilythearcticfoxsounds sad
@@lilythearcticfox cats should only be outside for a few minutes or so with supervision then go back indoors
@@countryoffelines Alright, go on with your plead. Explain more. What are your reasons for keeping the cat in the house all the time.
@@lilythearcticfox 1. Indoor cats are safe and cozy inside, they can't get stolen or hit by cars
2. They are cleaner and unlikely to catch diseases, however outdoor cats are sick and dirty all the time, also can't catch rabies
3. Indoor cats are easier to socialize, since the cats living outdoors can escape wherever they want but indoor cats just have to get used to the petting eventually without escaping somewhere
4. It's good for the ecosystem. Cats hunt birds and other endangered small animals. Plus rats spread toxoplasmosis in cats.
When I am reading the books I ALWAYS picture the apprentices has half the size of their mentors, and as soon as that Warrior ceremony takes place. *pop*
Full size.
I like to imagine that Crowfeather looks more like a magpie because he gets so pissy when it comes to his children and home (context: swooping season in Australia)
whenever a cat goes from kit to apprentice or apprentice to warrior i just imagine that cat evolving like in pokemon and just looks bigger than the previous "stage"
7:40 the stuff about blue eyes. a lot of insest happens in warriors which will lead to genetic disorders.
Alright here me out here...but I honestly recommend reading and or watching Watership Down. Its an old timey version of warrior cats just with Rabbits and it's more realistic and a lot darker.
I've been mentally comparing Warriors and Watership Down for a while now and what you were just talking about brought it to the forefront. The author specific sent the book to a rabbit specialist and made him a consultant just so he could have realistic bunnies. It's not a perfect book it drags on at times and goes on tangents. But I personally think somewhere between Warriors and Watership Down there a masterpiece book series.
P.S: I want it to be noted that I wasn't kidding about how dark the book is. Read and or watch at your own discretion. I haven't watched the neflix one but I would not let a kid under 12 watch the original.
Help, I looked it up. That is terrifying, from a cat it wouldn't be as bad (since they're predators) but a rabbit? That's giving me Holy Grail vibes, but horror
It makes me wonder what kind of stuff goes on behind the scenes, I write about alien life a lot and I tend to make a ton of spreadsheets and documented behind the scenes to keep track of the characters, language/phrases, society, tools, really anything that I might need in the story.
I wonder if they do anything like this or if it's a lot more simplified and that's why there are so many plot holes.
Tbh i'm starting to doubt they /do/ any spreadsheets and such.
I remember when people used to think there was some "warriors bible" that the authors kept to look stuff up/keep notes
Idk if people still think this lol
I went to stroke my cat.....
I am now late
“Yes I know that there are rare cat breeds where you can breed blue eyes into a cat, but they’re rare cat breeds these are cats living outside...,”
-Moonkitti 2020
Cat Nation I hate when people use a unite from a video just for likes. Fuck you.
This statement isn't even completely correct.
Spiderleg is the tallest warrior cats because legs
Taller than Tallstar
@@movedaccounts8572 technically Tallstar isn't called Tall' because of his legs, it's his tail that's tall
Thornclaw’s front legs is just, *chonk* and his hind legs are just, nope
He skipped hind leg day, too busy patrolling
He bench
I remember in vision of shadows Thornclaw talking angrily about how Darktail and the kin wouldn't take care of the shadowclan elders like Ratscar, which was amusing since Thornclaw was a senior warrior when Ratscar was a kitten and still kept talking like he was younger than him.
The timeline is just weird. We have very few reference points for how much time has passed between stuff. It's very confusing...
lots of great points here as always moon!! even though i know it's not factually accurate i've always enjoyed the aesthetic idea of apprentices starting off like half the size of their mentors and then being full-grown by the time they become warriors. i just feel like if warriors were in a visual medium that's what would make the most sense to me, to visually convey them growing up as they train.
Mistystar is probably the only leader to actually literally live almost nine lives. She’s survived for something like four times the life of a normal warrior cat
"haha you can't be mates with someone from another clan"
"But I'm related to everyone here.."
"doesn't matter haha, your children will be healthy even though there's probably a lot of in breeding in this clan after a bunch of generations LOL"
I remember in Bluestar's prophecy, when Bluekit asked Moonflower why Thrushpelt was smaller than his clanmates. Moonflower replied that he was smaller because he was a young warrior and would grow. Say an apprenticeship lasts 6 moons, he would be a year old, including the 6 moons he was a kit. Wouldn't he be totally be full grown 😂😂
Ok so I know that this is off topic but I’ve had a really bad day and when I saw this in my subscriptions I got really happy thank you Moon.
Ditto
i want to die of old age at five :(
mood
Vibe check
@Mafuyu Sato oh i'll make sure you will
Well.. since you’re a rat.. you don’t have THAT much time..
Wish I died at 5 too :(
Y'know, what I love about warriors is that cats are the size of foxes, badgers and some dogs, and yet, warrior cats still draws them like they are FREAKING 5 feet TALL. I love warriors.
Being an elder is a choice. i don’t wanna find the quote but firestar was like “are you sure about this mousefur” before she becomes an elder
you know that cat biology fully justifies Dovewing and her changing eyes xD
i’ve been trampling around the infant hole for years now
Idk why, I still imagine Ravenpaw is as small as an Apprentice even tho he's already Warrior Age.
If coyotes were introduced into Warrior Cats and if foxes were as clever as they should be , they’d all simply perish.
I don't remember where I read it, but I'm pretty sure becoming an elder is a choice. You only join the elder's den if you can no longer serve the clan. That includes Longtail joining the elder's den because his eyes were scratched out and Mousefur joining because she is just too old and slow to hunt anymore. So the fact that Thornclaw didn't join the elder's den but his siblings did kinda make sense if he can still serve the clan and they cannot.
Speaking of elders, they really like to use the elders den as a character trash can in the books. imo the elders should just be treated as senior warriors that dont need to go on patrols and can fill in for the leader and deputy when they're not around. Whenever the leader has meetings with the dep &/or medcat the elders can join in and give valuable input because they've been doing this stuff since before THESE CATS HAVE BEEN BORN ! STOP MAKING CLEANING UP AFTER THEM A PUNISHMENT FFS SHOW THESE BA WARRIOR SOME RESPECT!
Also elder should become elders when they get too frail to fight and hunt not a strict age.
These videos are perfect background sound when I'm working
I agree with you Moonkitti, I've taken care of many cats in kittens over the years and yet Warriors always seem to make big mistakes on how cat behaves and what their actual like. Though they did get one thing right cats have their own personalities, two cats aren't alike in the slightest.
I tend to exaggerate size difference for apprentices in animation for visual clarity, though I'd definitely love to focus on anatomy a bit more and make some pieces with more accurate sizes-- i especially enjoy depictions of swiftpaw as clearly adult since that was so much of the reason for everything that happened with him
I hope that doctors appointment goes well, Moon!
New Warrior Cats club: The Immortal Cats
Member 1. Mistystar
Member 2. Graystripe
Member 3. Stormfur
(please tell me more members)
Edit: also who's a bigger traitor, Stormfur or Graystripe? FATHER OR SON
"Her purple gaze gazed into my eyes. Burns no them.
In the same way I'm always struggling to decide what voice to give the cats in my head. At what point does the young child-like voice of an apprentice turn into a young adult voice of a warrior? Somewhere in the last phase of their apprenticeship? Or do they keep their kid voice for a little longer even after they're made warriors (to be honest I like the idea of the newest junior warriors till having child-like voices while earning their respect from the seniors). I feel awkward to change the voice right at their warrior ceremony because it's so unnatural, but it's the rule I go by because I have no other sense of how old they actually are. Same goes for younger warriors and older ones. At what point does a young adult voice become a senior warrior voice? My interpretation of bramblestar still has the same voice I gave him all the way back in arc 2 (which is his young adult - newbie warrior voice) even though he's one of the oldest cats in ThunderClan, while other cats way younger than him (mainly side characters though) already have an elder's voice in my head. I just have no idea how to age these cats
“trampling around in the infant hole”
I just imagine them getting bigger in a flash of light at the ceremonies, makes it easier for me.
I saw this thing that someone said Feathertail was a Maine coon. Yes, Graystripe is fluffy but Willowpelt and Silverstream are never said to have fluffy fur at all which makes it pretty much impossible for Feathertail to be a Maine Coon. There was also (on the same video) a statement that Stormfur was not a Maine Coon which is absurd. Two cats from the same litter have to have the same breed, regardless of if that breed is mixed or how long their fur is. They’re still the same breed
Gurl I love how structured your talks are and could listen to you talk about a series Im not even interested in for HOURSSSSS!
Domestic shorthairs and domestic longhairs are the cat equivalent of mutts. Also, when referring to breed, many times, especially in shelters, tend to say something is a certain breed simply to describe their traits. Happened with my supposedly hypoallergenic Russian blue cat with his tabby brother. _They were not_
haha, shelters can often label cats with a breed to make them more appealing. its almost always a scam.
Cats in shelters are mostly i guess about 90% always "mutts". We don't have cat shelters where im from, but the false breed labeling happens with dogs here when it's obviously a mix lol.
My cat turns 10 this year and she still runs around and hunts and is pretty playful. I consider her middle-aged, not an elder. And my grandparents cat is 17 and while she still hunts but she definitely just lays around a lot more and chills out. She's an elder.
Therapist: Manly Moonkitti isn’t real, it can’t hurt you
Manly Moonkitti: 0:04
I'm someone who enjoys making up voices for the characters and sometimes reading out loud
I always imagine kits and apprentices having more high voices
But then once they're warriors their voices are just
Deeper
Instantly
I feel like Dawn or the Clans did it well for kits/ apprentices
In one book Turtle Tail's kits were still described as kits but Gray Wing said that they were almost fully grown but they still were "kits", or maybe they were 5 or 6 moons old but they were "almost fully grown" but still "kits"
Edit: In books newly apprenticed cats are called half grown but to me that doesn't mean half the size of a warrior it means they are halfway through growing
I just like to think warriors are their own little breed that's emerged from them all living together and having children with each other for a couple decades that can have fur patterns, eye colours and special traits that you could usually only get from a special breed
thornclaw will never be an elder
*he will always be the patrol guy*
If you think about it, Brokenstar’s ideas about kits being trained by something like 3 moons would work, it was just executed horribly by a cat in a bad state of mind for it.
If someone like Firestar did it, it would work out fine. He’s a smarter, and moral cat. I think he could of done it easily.
Title.*exists*
Thornclaw and Blossomfall.*Silently triggered*
You shouldn't use the word "triggered" to mean "annoyed" or "angry".
A 'trigger' is something a person who has experienced significant psychological trauma/ and or abuse in the past can suffer from.
Misusing the word like this is offensive towards them and disrespectful.
@@sarahh6 r/woooosh
rainbowheart aj No, they’re right.
@@sarahh6 "trigger" has more meanings than just that, and im pretty sure "triggered" is not based of of (above mentioned trauma)
@@Chaiiuna As stated before, using it to mean angry or upset is still insulting and disrespectful to people suffering from abuse, trauma, and PTSD and should NOT be used in this kind of context.
Finind or make a new word.
You answer all the questions I have ever had about this series and this is why you’re adored so much!
Anyone else like moonkitti?
Idk
Omg xD
I mean why would we be here if we didnt
Creepy _ Cookie I don’t think your getting the joke
Somebody help my cat is eating me and i- oh
We recently got a kit with some health problems. Her eyes were all gunky and she could barely open them. When she finally did open them fully it was the normal pale blue color. My parents assumed something was wrong with her but, because I watched this video, I knew that her eyes would change.
Thanks Moonkitti, you saved my parents a trip to the vet.
Everyone: complains loudly about how bad warriors is
Also everyone: reads 80+ warriors books
So aren't we allowed to express our opinions now?
Just a joke :)
bad can be entertaining
"Brightheart and Brackenfur retired to the elders den while Thornclaw stayed out of it"
Well yeah, *he wants to do all the darn dawn patrols!*
My kitten is four months old now and already bigger than one of my previous adult cats.
And yet he's still half the size of my other cat who just happens to be really big.
Four months is also the age cats are generally recommended to get fixed nowadays if that puts any perspective on cat age, at six months an apprentice is fully capable of having a litter of kits although its still young enough that the pregnancy could be difficult much like human teen pregnancies I'd think.
They likely act like they're super fragile and ancient because then they can have the younger cats waiting on them paw and back paw. You can't convince them that some of the more snarky elders didn't skew the tales of their youth to make things seem harder or themselves look more heroic.
Fun fact, cats don’t get Lyme disease like humans do and it doesn’t greatly affect them at all
It does actually and it is a serious ailment if they get it
Even if they don't show signs, lyme disease affects the nervous system, kidneys, especially kidneys, and like the joints. It can certainly kill them and the worst part is cats don't always show symptoms, so that makes it more dangerous.
Poccri Peardew oh, well I guess I was misinformed then. Thank you.
@@kayak4111 it is worth mentioning that not all ticks actually carry Lyme disease. I can’t remember exactly which one it is, but there are basically dog ticks and deer ticks, and only the rarer of the two spread the disease.
@@Shaun_Jones
This is late, but the deer tick is the one that can spread Lyme disease. The dog tick can actually carry it, but it can't spread it to my knowledge. Dog ticks can spread other diseases though.
@@poccripeardew4750 Why does literally everything affect a cat's kidneys???
When I saw Rootspring, I instantly thought he was a Jolteon
Omg I was in school but I went to the bathroom to watch this 😂
It is 9:30 at night, in the uk
Ooo UK Squad!
Good job 👍
Ngl, that sounds like something I would do at your age lmao
It "clearly" states in bramblestars storm that they have to choose to become elders becuase one of the chunks of words is "good luck convincing them(dustpelt etc.) to move to the elders den"
Barley is old he was middle aged when he left bloodclan
he is older than Ravenpaw and he is still living in Graystripe's vow. And in Ravenpaw's path, Ravenpaw died way before Barley. Barley is still living to this day. I think he is immortal like Graystripe.
I like how elders just seem like blobs when they become warriors. I also think Greystripe’s just lazy, so went to the elder’s den sooner.
I’ve said this before, but.
You don’t have to, but like this if you think Moonkitti should do Warriors as Wings of Fire dragons.
Did...Moonkitti just say Brackenfur did important stuff/was memorable? I think this is a sign of the apocalypse.
Star He chased after snowkit when he was stolen by the hawk
To me Onestar looks like an owl with legs
do owls not have legs lmao
I listened to this without watching the video- it felt nice cause it felt like a podcast- it was really relaxing-
1 view, 109 likes and 16 comments.
*TH-cam is drunk again*
Views count when you watch till a certain point in the video
@@bellad0nna145 I know, it’s a joke
@Tocixx .-.
-Just like my dad-