I feel like joker having his face ripped off is one of the least important parts of this story. What makes it good is Batman’s inner monologues, how joker sees everyone else as chess pieces while him and Batman are the players, they way joker is always one step ahead, and of course his utterly savage roast on twoface.
i just finish the comic and i totally agree. the face thing shows him not caring for himself and that doll maker and joker had a companionship and little else. the whole thing about his eyes really affected me. as well as when batman talks about jokers thoughts on his identity. it was batman monologue that made me learn more about joker and gave me more of a chill more than the face.
The fact that joker had the last laugh is TERRIFYING even if he is dead, if he is getting tortured or doing a tour of hell and back. He still has the last laugh.... a truly terrifying piece of art...
@@conviction_amp I dont think you know this but when you mess someone up like that once it stays with them forever leaving them paranoid, thats truely terrifying
The one thing you glossed over than I feel like is one of the most poignant aspects of the whole story is when the full bat family under the influence of the joker toxin is able to calm down by all huddling together and reaffirming each other. It's a legitimately touching scene.
One thing from this story that stuck out to me for reasons I don't entierly understand is the line from Harley to Batman "He's gone, Bats, gone... Maybe, though... Maybe you'll be the next one, like I always thought you would. Maybe you'll come back like he used to be back then... Beautiful." I don't entirely know what it is that I like about that quot but it just stuck with me.
At first, it was like "why didn't he actually remove their faces"? Then I realized he would find it a lot funnier if that is what got him to break his one rule, only to find out it wasn't even true. That would make it hilarious to Joker.
This is the reason so many people enjoy/ feel in love with joker he isn’t some character played for laughs like Harley but a true terrifying threat who you should be really glad that doesn’t exist
But again the very reason people love him is because he COULD potentially be real. He is the worst of human nature and our way of thinking actually proves it. The Joker is a human being like the rest of us, to many he's an ordinary man and that is what makes him truly terrifying
@@herobrinegreek9493 "one bad day away" that line really makes me think, because he's actually right, if something horrible enough happens, that would be the "one bad day" that drives someone insane, if it sounds weird, I'm trying to make this as simple and short as possible
I would live if they made a story where joker goes far and batman just decides to kill all his villians. If that already exists could you consider doing a vid on it?
Dude that sick joke of pretending to cut off Harley‘s face and tells her that he needs to put eyedrops in his eyes because he can’t blink during the whole red hood Patsy thing was insanity. I need to go back and read it because I own it physically and Do you made me want to crack that baby open again.
One of the interpretations of the end of The Killing Joke, which I personally prefer, is that at the end of the chapter, Batman kills the Joker after he tells a joke about two madmen trying to escape from an asylum. The joke is that even if they manage to escape, one of them will stay behind because he is afraid that the other madman will deceive him. That joke itself, to me, doesn't represent the Joker. The Joker goes out of his way to prove his point, he's more of a well-constructed argument than a villain. The fear that the other madman feels, what prevents him from escaping from the asylum, is the fear Batman feels of going this far. The Joker doesn't want to kill Batman, he wants to destroy him, but he knows that in order to do that, he needs to force him to cross the boundary that Batman himself has set. Batman doesn't kill, and that's the only thing that keeps him sane. He wants to destabilize him, and in his crazed mind, all they live is just a theater. Ultimately, if Batman kills him, it's all over, and the Joker will be the victor. If Batman refuses to kill him, he will remain who he is, and he will continue torturing him, or torturing other people. It is a game that has no winner or loser. Joker needs to die in order to win, and Batman can only endure. It is precisely this obsessive desire of the Joker to be killed by Batman that keeps him alive. The Joker always has the last laugh, and that's genuinely scary.
It was also a metaphor for why he refuses to let Batman help him, because the part of the joke "you're just gonna turn it off when I'm halfway there and watch me fall" is the Joker saying that Batman would just abandon him on his road to recovery, and watch him descend back to insanity
There was this time joker got super afraid which is when Punisher almost killed him. But that was because he couldn't really "break" punisher since he's already broken so the whole "make this guy kill me so he turns insane" schtick wont work
Or... Batman just doesn't care? I mean, it's SO SIMPLE! He doesn't have to overthink! He is gonna kill FRIKCING ONCE! If he had done this earlier, he would have saved tons of lives!
The only time Batman successfully kills the Joker and it doesn't feel like Joker won was one of the What If's of Injustice where when Joker fails to kill Lois Lane, he tells Batman he'll have more fun next time after Superman's son is born, Batman just breaks Joker's neck. No monologue, no punchline, he snaps Joker's neck and drives to the Gothan PD and turns himself in to Gordon. Not only that, in spite of being able to get off several different ways, he pleads guilty and demands fair punishment. Batman killed the Joker and didn't break (shame it was like a dream from Regime Superman though).
I remember when the comics first came out, I found out because my friend brought an issue to a Boyscouts meeting and he was just sitting there while the image of the wayne family getting served their faces as dishes was in front of him and those around him. What an absolute chad that guy was,
I completely agree with you. New 52 Joker and just in general New 52 Batman stories are amazing. New 52 Joker is the most terrifying Joker in all of DC history and I will never forget how terrified I was reading this storyline, which is something comics have never done to me
The Joker cut off his face to symbolize to Batman and Robin that even without his face or "mask", he was still himself as for those two they were only known for what they wore in costume.
I grew up watching anime and never really cared for superheroes so everything I knew about the comics was just from the movies. A few years ago I started getting into comics but actively avoided both marvel and dc. However I did not realize that batman comics were this fucking insane. I love how horrifying this joker is. I'm 100% going to start reading these.
Yeah, it's the catch when all you know comes from movies or mainstream knowledge (not a critique, just a general observation). To me, at this point there are two batman, the one from the justice league comics where he basically is a god, and the one from his own comics. If you want recommendations for what comics to read, I would suggest starting by the court of owls arc which is the first arc of the new 52, the run where this joker story happens. Then, you could also read white knight which is somewhat of a reinterpretation of the classic batman and joker dynamic and the sequel curse of the white knight is also pretty nice
Exactly I think in this one and Grant Morrison joker they truly understood who joker was and how to break this character to life I wish hope they finally do him justice on the big screen
@Jake Leviathan Amen to that. Him cutting his face off was clearly something they did for shock value in the Detective Comics reboot and took over a year to follow up on (by a different writer). Death of the Family certainly did not break any new ground. It felt like Scott Snyder was just excited to write the Joker and wanted to make him as scary and shocking as possible. I honestly find the Joker to be a VERY overrated character. But Morrison’s depiction of him? Fantastic.
Absolutly, the panel of Joker deluded mind with the corpses of Nightwing, Tim and Gordon, eache with a smile on their face, is still haunting to this day
When I read this for the first time I was actually terrified. Comics never gave me such chills and the writing here was the top of the top. For me, it's not just that Joker removes his own face no.... It is also because how manipulative, smart, crazy and everything else he is in this comic. His thoughts are more sick than ever, the panel with him and harley is shocking and not talking about what he did to the bat family... Real or not, know identity or not This was still an amazing story and Interpret Batman and Jokers crazy relationship in a phenomenal way. I mean, Joker can't live without batman, furthermore, he can't look back at his past. And there's so much going on, so many things to analyze but yeah, I just felt like this Joker was the most shocking version of him.
It is a really captivating story which has become somewhat iconic at this point, but there’s also an aspect of it that is pretty transparently ridiculous. Where it seems like the writers have to come up with something so disturbing and offputting just to increase the shock value and and vileness. It’s kind of like power-creep in these stories where characters get perpetually more powerful until the stakes are so ridiculously high that it begins to feel cheap. But with the joker they keep having to make him more and more deranged, and violent, and harder to look at, and so on.
This iteration of the Joker is one of my favourites. Scott Snyder did some awesome work on the New 52. Having that first issue with him cutting his face of then not bringing him back for about 15 months then they way he introduced him was masterful. The whole Death of the Family arc and everything that came after. A masterclass in storytelling.
Every Scott Snyder Batman comic is so good. I loved this story so much that I collected the entire series and got the limited release joker Halloween mask. In my opinion it is the most fleshed out version of the joker that has ever been put to print. There are better Batman storylines and better writers but theres something about Snyders Joker that is so genuinely terrifying and unhinged it goes far beyond what we expect from the worst villain in Batmans rogues gallery.
I've been looking for a video for awhile now the longest that the Joker has stayed in hiding and can't find anything on TH-cam for that. I think it would be a amazing topic to cover also things that Joker usually does upon breaking out of Arkham would be another good topic and also the longest a Joker Crime has gone undiscovered.
People always forget that Batman doesn't have to save his villains. He chooses to but often allows happy accidents to occur. But the writers always bring them back. Batman knew Joker would either need to let Batman ruin the game or kill himself. Joker chose the latter but comes back months later as a semi-immortal with regenerative abilities.
This whole entire thing about Joker & Batman dynamic is just him egging on Batman to broke his only one rule. Because the whole joke is Joker is unredeemable but Batman just won't stop saving him. From Arkham City: "You know what something funny? After everything you've done, I would have saved you."
That was a very smart move IMO (the face-off). If you look at any page of this joker, you just can’t take your eyes off it. Obviously that new look + a black background = a horror comic scene. He was basically the same as a Michael Myers or any slasher. And every time he was present on a situation you knew all characters around him were in danger. It was in this storyline that Joker became a murderous treat again, almost no laughs at all!
You should make a video of the many terrible things the green goblin (Harry and Norman) has done just like the reverse flash video because he's a fucking menace as well man 😂
This is an impressively concise and chilling summation of what I would agree, is the absolute scariest the Joker has ever really been: the period of time with his face cut off, as hokey as it sounds, is fucking TERRIFYING visually, and what he does to taunt Damian for example is just straight up nightmare fuel. Like when he has the face on UPSIDE DOWN?! **shudders** And you did a great job of encapsulating Joker’s very specific motivation for this particular set of horrors. It’s got some of the scariest Joker dialogue ever. And the janitor uniform somehow makes it so much scarier than being in a suit?? The scene at the GCPD is a Horror Film. When he’s under Jim’s bed it’s a horror film. He was terrifying during this time because he was just done with any pretenses. He wanted to fight Batman forever without anyone else to take away his time or attention otherwise he didn’t want to do it anymore, and he fucking meant business. He almost got them. And none of them were the same afterwards.
I'm surprised Joker lived for this long. Not a single Gothamite, civilians nor armed forces, has had enough of Joker's antics? I know he would be dead in Earth-616.
I will never get over how terrifying he is. He's always terrified me as a kid, and even going on seventeen, he still terrifies the shit outta me. imagine having a sleep paralysis demon, and then you find out it's the Joker. 😭
This was the storyline that got me into comics. I always loved superheroes. This comic made joker my favorite character in media. Love how disturbing it is. Call me emo. I think it’s brilliant
Doesn't look like it. Keoghan looks like the little leprechaun from leprechaun in the hood. And this type of interpretation would have to be rated R no way it makes it into a PG 13 movie.
I think my only real issue with this version of the Joker is that he feels too smart. He basically holds all the cards at all times and knows how to manipulat everyone down to the smallest detail. It never feels like cheating, per se, like I can imagine him thinking of this stuff to some degree, but after a certain point I think it starts to get kind of grating. One of my least favorite kinds of villains is the flawless uber genius who is always 20 steps ahead of everyone at all times, and Joker here kind of falls into that trap until the very, very end.
@@luisgay5897 Batman is set up from the beginning of most comics to be somewhat like this but not to the same extent usually. Also, typically we can see him enact his plans, set them up, so it feels more logical most of the time. Joker is characterized by someone who might have one really thought out plan, but is probably just following a vague layout. He can work with the super planner schtick, but for the most part he's just not designed to be that kind of villain, so when he seems to magically know and have prepared everything in advance to a ridiculous level, it's a little hard to believe.
a few years ago I had only read a few batman/joker/bat family and superman comics but this was the one that made me fall in love with DC. It’s also better than any Marvel comic I’ve read (no hate)
I feel like scps range from "funny looking object" to "world ending gods", so at this point 99% of Gotham would probably end up in the scp laboratory some way or another
The Joker wearing his own face reminds me of TWD when there were the people who were the cut out faces of other zombies to blend in with hordes of other zombies
God i wish that they would make a movie with an 8k camera where batman just beats joker to a pulp and it's fully detailed how has batman put up to his shit so long
I don't understand Batmans no kill rule you have an enemy who is actively harming your family and you choose not to kill him? Why morality? Nah brutalized him watch as fear rules your enemies. It just makes more sense then any story
Canonically, there a 4 reasons. 1. Batman would not restrain himself from murdering other criminals and just become what he hates. 2. Doesn’t want to take responsibility for murdering the Joker. 3. Could end up like The Batman Who Laughs. 4. Batman, in way, finds something from fighting Joker and keeps doing this.
@@truenightmare6665 1. Batman, the wOrLd's gReAtEAst dEtEcTiVe, with "Indomitable willpower" can't stop himself from annihilating 9 year old Timmy because he stole a chocolate bar? 2. But he takes responsibility for beating up random criminals and throwing the rest in Arkham? Lol he's batman Gotham PD isn't gonna catch him 3. Just stop laughing 👍 4. Batman should hire a therapist to treat him or play some video games or something.
I know Matt reeves is going to do a joker, and I hope to high heaven to he goes this route. I really hope that Matt Reeves will take his time and do a quadriligy and have Joker hide in the background of the next two movies, and reveal himself in a fourth and final movie instead of the next one. My prime The Batman storyline has the second movie have three villains, Penguin, Hush and Mr. Freeze, with Hugo Strange in the background and introduce this version of Arkham. It would also introduce Tim Drake’s Robin. This sequel will bridge the mystery crime aspect of Batman with the sci-fi horror aspect. Continuing on the characters introduced in the last movie, the third one would flesh out the relationship of Batman and Robin, and the main villain would be Scarecrow, with Hugo Strange’s character building up in the background, and introducing his assistant, Harely Quinn. It would flesh out Arkham and focus on themes of psychology. All the while building up and foreshadowing a Matt Reeves adaption of this Joker storyline which would be the final film.
Funny that this is the one of the three jokers that live in the end of three jokers and is now the “official” joker. Although three jokers kinda bounces in and out of canon so it’s debatable
I think bare muscles still have lips underneath. Could be wrong though. He might just have a slight lisp like Castor Troy did when his face was removed in Face/Off.
My favorite part about Joker is that he's completely right, batman refusing to kill him is really fucking stupid. On a side note, for some reason that horses expression is really funny to me 8:40
Joker not killing the Bat family, or not cutting their faces off seems a little too much fairy tale like... hes done so much fucked up shit and now he decides to just prank Batman and not really torment him as much? "oh no the joker did something horrible, no wait its not as bad, golly gee batman we are so lucky"
Death of the Family was the first ever Batman story I ever had and I must’ve read it over 50 times in my life. Last year I got to meet Scott Snyder and had him sign my beat up old copy of death of the family for me and my Court of Owls story but Death of the Family will always and forever be my all time favorite Batman story next to the Arkham games.
My absolute FAVORITE thing about this Joker is how he’s a spawnable character in Scribblenauts Unmasked, a crossover with an E rated puzzle game crossover with DC.
I feel like joker having his face ripped off is one of the least important parts of this story. What makes it good is Batman’s inner monologues, how joker sees everyone else as chess pieces while him and Batman are the players, they way joker is always one step ahead, and of course his utterly savage roast on twoface.
What is the roast he says?
i just finish the comic and i totally agree. the face thing shows him not caring for himself and that doll maker and joker had a companionship and little else. the whole thing about his eyes really affected me. as well as when batman talks about jokers thoughts on his identity. it was batman monologue that made me learn more about joker and gave me more of a chill more than the face.
@@olivercosplayssometimes5980 I will say one thing I don’t like about this story is the fact that they didn’t actually rip off the bat-family’s faces.
@@frogmouth2 yeah i was surprised when joker didn’t do that.
I think the Gotham TV show writers just thought it was cool that he removed his face and wrote it in.
The fact that joker had the last laugh is TERRIFYING even if he is dead, if he is getting tortured or doing a tour of hell and back. He still has the last laugh.... a truly terrifying piece of art...
I don't see what's "TERRIFYING" about it. That's what the joker does.
@@conviction_amp I dont think you know this but when you mess someone up like that once it stays with them forever leaving them paranoid, thats truely terrifying
@bastiathe doesn't give a shit about making the world smile, this isn't Phoenix' joker
batman be like I'm scarier.
@bastiat4855 no joker or at least the ones I saw wants to cause chaos and sometimes to get Batman to snap and break one of his rules
The one thing you glossed over than I feel like is one of the most poignant aspects of the whole story is when the full bat family under the influence of the joker toxin is able to calm down by all huddling together and reaffirming each other. It's a legitimately touching scene.
Joker getting the “last laugh” by using Hahnium is not only just a smart move, but also a hard moment
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One thing from this story that stuck out to me for reasons I don't entierly understand is the line from Harley to Batman "He's gone, Bats, gone... Maybe, though... Maybe you'll be the next one, like I always thought you would. Maybe you'll come back like he used to be back then... Beautiful."
I don't entirely know what it is that I like about that quot but it just stuck with me.
Whoa
Because Batman is equally crazy. Its been established alot of time that Batman and Joker is two side of a same coin.
@@rifarira9160 stop. This is such a reductive take. Batman is nowhere near as crazy as the joker
@@itzsamic to be honest Batman is as crazy as the joker in his own way
@@XED1216 what is "his own way" then?
At first, it was like "why didn't he actually remove their faces"? Then I realized he would find it a lot funnier if that is what got him to break his one rule, only to find out it wasn't even true. That would make it hilarious to Joker.
That is an extremely good point. He would like that.
Although it makes me wonder how he made perfect replicas of all their faces to serve them...
Joker fr said "I'm living in your walls"
This joker has always traumatized me
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Let's not call him that because he also covers Marvels comics..
This is the reason so many people enjoy/ feel in love with joker he isn’t some character played for laughs like Harley but a true terrifying threat who you should be really glad that doesn’t exist
But again the very reason people love him is because he COULD potentially be real. He is the worst of human nature and our way of thinking actually proves it. The Joker is a human being like the rest of us, to many he's an ordinary man and that is what makes him truly terrifying
@@herobrinegreek9493 "one bad day away" that line really makes me think, because he's actually right, if something horrible enough happens, that would be the "one bad day" that drives someone insane, if it sounds weird, I'm trying to make this as simple and short as possible
There's been jokers in this world in the past, there are still some now and there will be more to come. I'm just glad I don't know any of em.
@Anonymous and they get forgotten, exactly what joker fears most
@@moonwhooper The hell they do 😂😂
If you on joker timing you ain't gone be forgotten idk what you talking bout
I would live if they made a story where joker goes far and batman just decides to kill all his villians. If that already exists could you consider doing a vid on it?
You literally describe one of the Batman’s from the evil batman team lead by the Batman who laughs
@@goombino_Tv murder machine?
@@luccixen1531 I think
@@goombino_Tv yea but that isn't ***batman*** it's just Joker with the abilities of Batman
@@goomyliaplayz7911 I know who the Batman who laughs is, I’m talking about the Batman who became the punisher
Dude that sick joke of pretending to cut off Harley‘s face and tells her that he needs to put eyedrops in his eyes because he can’t blink during the whole red hood Patsy thing was insanity. I need to go back and read it because I own it physically and Do you made me want to crack that baby open again.
Ah, yes, this looks like a great video to watch before bed. Great video as always man!
Litteraly me right now
One of the interpretations of the end of The Killing Joke, which I personally prefer, is that at the end of the chapter, Batman kills the Joker after he tells a joke about two madmen trying to escape from an asylum. The joke is that even if they manage to escape, one of them will stay behind because he is afraid that the other madman will deceive him. That joke itself, to me, doesn't represent the Joker. The Joker goes out of his way to prove his point, he's more of a well-constructed argument than a villain. The fear that the other madman feels, what prevents him from escaping from the asylum, is the fear Batman feels of going this far. The Joker doesn't want to kill Batman, he wants to destroy him, but he knows that in order to do that, he needs to force him to cross the boundary that Batman himself has set. Batman doesn't kill, and that's the only thing that keeps him sane. He wants to destabilize him, and in his crazed mind, all they live is just a theater. Ultimately, if Batman kills him, it's all over, and the Joker will be the victor. If Batman refuses to kill him, he will remain who he is, and he will continue torturing him, or torturing other people. It is a game that has no winner or loser. Joker needs to die in order to win, and Batman can only endure. It is precisely this obsessive desire of the Joker to be killed by Batman that keeps him alive.
The Joker always has the last laugh, and that's genuinely scary.
It was also a metaphor for why he refuses to let Batman help him, because the part of the joke "you're just gonna turn it off when I'm halfway there and watch me fall" is the Joker saying that Batman would just abandon him on his road to recovery, and watch him descend back to insanity
There was this time joker got super afraid which is when Punisher almost killed him. But that was because he couldn't really "break" punisher since he's already broken so the whole "make this guy kill me so he turns insane" schtick wont work
Or... Batman just doesn't care? I mean, it's SO SIMPLE! He doesn't have to overthink! He is gonna kill FRIKCING ONCE! If he had done this earlier, he would have saved tons of lives!
But he doesn't kill joker
The only time Batman successfully kills the Joker and it doesn't feel like Joker won was one of the What If's of Injustice where when Joker fails to kill Lois Lane, he tells Batman he'll have more fun next time after Superman's son is born, Batman just breaks Joker's neck. No monologue, no punchline, he snaps Joker's neck and drives to the Gothan PD and turns himself in to Gordon. Not only that, in spite of being able to get off several different ways, he pleads guilty and demands fair punishment. Batman killed the Joker and didn't break (shame it was like a dream from Regime Superman though).
I remember when the comics first came out, I found out because my friend brought an issue to a Boyscouts meeting and he was just sitting there while the image of the wayne family getting served their faces as dishes was in front of him and those around him.
What an absolute chad that guy was,
I completely agree with you. New 52 Joker and just in general New 52 Batman stories are amazing. New 52 Joker is the most terrifying Joker in all of DC history and I will never forget how terrified I was reading this storyline, which is something comics have never done to me
The Joker cut off his face to symbolize to Batman and Robin that even without his face or "mask", he was still himself as for those two they were only known for what they wore in costume.
It was just a prank
The prank:
I grew up watching anime and never really cared for superheroes so everything I knew about the comics was just from the movies. A few years ago I started getting into comics but actively avoided both marvel and dc. However I did not realize that batman comics were this fucking insane. I love how horrifying this joker is. I'm 100% going to start reading these.
Yeah, it's the catch when all you know comes from movies or mainstream knowledge (not a critique, just a general observation). To me, at this point there are two batman, the one from the justice league comics where he basically is a god, and the one from his own comics. If you want recommendations for what comics to read, I would suggest starting by the court of owls arc which is the first arc of the new 52, the run where this joker story happens. Then, you could also read white knight which is somewhat of a reinterpretation of the classic batman and joker dynamic and the sequel curse of the white knight is also pretty nice
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The Joker in the comics is terrifying. Makes the ones in the movies and cartoons look like nice guys in comparison.
I remember watching this story on comicstorian when I was younger, and fr being terrified. I couldn't get the image of Joker out of my head
IMO Grant Morrison's Joker was worse. That shit was insane. Read Batman R.I.P. and The Clown at Midnight. Joker was almost a beast in those.
Exactly I think in this one and Grant Morrison joker they truly understood who joker was and how to break this character to life I wish hope they finally do him justice on the big screen
@Jake Leviathan Amen to that. Him cutting his face off was clearly something they did for shock value in the Detective Comics reboot and took over a year to follow up on (by a different writer).
Death of the Family certainly did not break any new ground. It felt like Scott Snyder was just excited to write the Joker and wanted to make him as scary and shocking as possible.
I honestly find the Joker to be a VERY overrated character. But Morrison’s depiction of him? Fantastic.
Absolutly, the panel of Joker deluded mind with the corpses of Nightwing, Tim and Gordon, eache with a smile on their face, is still haunting to this day
Nah. That was Jeff the Killer with a budget. Morrison is a hack.
The fact that joker said “and you (again)” when referring to Jason is great
NO WAY HE ACTUALLY GOT THE LAST LAUGH THATS SO GOOD
When I read this for the first time I was actually terrified.
Comics never gave me such chills and the writing here was the top of the top.
For me, it's not just that Joker removes his own face no....
It is also because how manipulative, smart, crazy and everything else he is in this comic. His thoughts are more sick than ever, the panel with him and harley is shocking and not talking about what he did to the bat family...
Real or not, know identity or not
This was still an amazing story and Interpret Batman and Jokers crazy relationship in a phenomenal way.
I mean, Joker can't live without batman, furthermore, he can't look back at his past.
And there's so much going on, so many things to analyze but yeah, I just felt like this Joker was the most shocking version of him.
It is a really captivating story which has become somewhat iconic at this point, but there’s also an aspect of it that is pretty transparently ridiculous. Where it seems like the writers have to come up with something so disturbing and offputting just to increase the shock value and and vileness. It’s kind of like power-creep in these stories where characters get perpetually more powerful until the stakes are so ridiculously high that it begins to feel cheap. But with the joker they keep having to make him more and more deranged, and violent, and harder to look at, and so on.
This iteration of the Joker is one of my favourites. Scott Snyder did some awesome work on the New 52. Having that first issue with him cutting his face of then not bringing him back for about 15 months then they way he introduced him was masterful. The whole Death of the Family arc and everything that came after. A masterclass in storytelling.
If you think this is scary search for the paper drawn short of bat man and joker called: 'joker caught a Pokémon' you'll understand after you watch it
THERES NO LORES AGAINST POKÉMON BATMAN
BATMAN THERE'S NO LAW AGAINST THE POKEMAM BATMAN!
I CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT WITH IT BATMAN
NO JOKER! NO YOU CANT IT'S A ANIMAL JOKER! NO! NO! NOOOOOOOOO!
IM GONNA DO IT BATMAN
You can very much see the influence of Texas Chainsaw Massacre in this version of the Joker. Something I admit I like.
Every Scott Snyder Batman comic is so good. I loved this story so much that I collected the entire series and got the limited release joker Halloween mask. In my opinion it is the most fleshed out version of the joker that has ever been put to print. There are better Batman storylines and better writers but theres something about Snyders Joker that is so genuinely terrifying and unhinged it goes far beyond what we expect from the worst villain in Batmans rogues gallery.
I've been looking for a video for awhile now the longest that the Joker has stayed in hiding and can't find anything on TH-cam for that. I think it would be a amazing topic to cover also things that Joker usually does upon breaking out of Arkham would be another good topic and also the longest a Joker Crime has gone undiscovered.
btw hahnium needs a particle accelerator to be made.... joker has capabilities
You narration is godly dude
truly the imagery and the art of this short era of joker is insane
You Joker has really changed for the worst when even Harley is crying and saying "He's not my Mr J anymore." That scene actually got me.
I just wanna see joker carefully putting on fake blood and bandages onto the bat family, like that is a meticulous prank to pull
I'm more confused how he made perfect replicas of their faces to serve them lol...
He also ripped his face off just to torment some guy who was a detective
People always forget that Batman doesn't have to save his villains. He chooses to but often allows happy accidents to occur. But the writers always bring them back. Batman knew Joker would either need to let Batman ruin the game or kill himself. Joker chose the latter but comes back months later as a semi-immortal with regenerative abilities.
This whole entire thing about Joker & Batman dynamic is just him egging on Batman to broke his only one rule. Because the whole joke is Joker is unredeemable but Batman just won't stop saving him.
From Arkham City:
"You know what something funny? After everything you've done, I would have saved you."
That was a very smart move IMO (the face-off). If you look at any page of this joker, you just can’t take your eyes off it. Obviously that new look + a black background = a horror comic scene. He was basically the same as a Michael Myers or any slasher.
And every time he was present on a situation you knew all characters around him were in danger. It was in this storyline that Joker became a murderous treat again, almost no laughs at all!
Completely unrealistic.
Joker would never be able to get the drop on Alfred
That’s up to the actual writers, not some random commenter on TH-cam. 🙄
@@domanskikidAlfred the most powerful thing
@GlorifyToast and before anyone says "oh but he used a pil-" THE PILL WEAKENED HIM SO HE WOULDN'T PUNCH HIS HEAD OFF
You should make a video of the many terrible things the green goblin (Harry and Norman) has done just like the reverse flash video because he's a fucking menace as well man 😂
Sins Past was retconned
"yeah I want you to take my Face off, yeah like in that one movie where two guys switch faces but I want to keep my face"
1:40 “last night, when I was coming,” 😳😳😳😳😳
This is an impressively concise and chilling summation of what I would agree, is the absolute scariest the Joker has ever really been: the period of time with his face cut off, as hokey as it sounds, is fucking TERRIFYING visually, and what he does to taunt Damian for example is just straight up nightmare fuel. Like when he has the face on UPSIDE DOWN?! **shudders** And you did a great job of encapsulating Joker’s very specific motivation for this particular set of horrors. It’s got some of the scariest Joker dialogue ever. And the janitor uniform somehow makes it so much scarier than being in a suit?? The scene at the GCPD is a Horror Film. When he’s under Jim’s bed it’s a horror film. He was terrifying during this time because he was just done with any pretenses. He wanted to fight Batman forever without anyone else to take away his time or attention otherwise he didn’t want to do it anymore, and he fucking meant business. He almost got them. And none of them were the same afterwards.
I'm surprised Joker lived for this long. Not a single Gothamite, civilians nor armed forces, has had enough of Joker's antics? I know he would be dead in Earth-616.
The Joker probably would have been capped by the punisher or cut up by wolverine rather quickly
@@alchemistofsteel8099 Marvel humans would have killed him by now. I once read a story about Silver Surfer being captured by a group of Mexicans.
Yeah idk why the Gotham police haven't labeled him "kill on sight" yet
Technically killing the Joker from the start was the objectively right answer because everybody would have benefited, even the joker
Yeah but batman's one rule etc
video games Joker: 😃
movies Joker: 😃
comics Joker: 💀
I will never get over how terrifying he is. He's always terrified me as a kid, and even going on seventeen, he still terrifies the shit outta me. imagine having a sleep paralysis demon, and then you find out it's the Joker. 😭
This was the storyline that got me into comics.
I always loved superheroes.
This comic made joker my favorite character in media.
Love how disturbing it is.
Call me emo.
I think it’s brilliant
What's wrong with being Emo?
@@nkemnoraulmanfredini7286I love being emo. A lot of people don’t like me for it
@@Seeker_Blade I'm emo, fuck them people
@@Seeker_Blade I'm emo, fuck them people
I really hope Matt Reeves does Barry Keoghan's Joker like this
Doesn't look like it. Keoghan looks like the little leprechaun from leprechaun in the hood. And this type of interpretation would have to be rated R no way it makes it into a PG 13 movie.
Dude when he stood in the hallway it was straight up menace energy 🤷🏽♂️
God I love the horror of DC
I remember seeing "Skinned Joker" in the Scribblenauts DC game, and being horrified at the very concept, but never actually knew the story.
I think my only real issue with this version of the Joker is that he feels too smart. He basically holds all the cards at all times and knows how to manipulat everyone down to the smallest detail. It never feels like cheating, per se, like I can imagine him thinking of this stuff to some degree, but after a certain point I think it starts to get kind of grating. One of my least favorite kinds of villains is the flawless uber genius who is always 20 steps ahead of everyone at all times, and Joker here kind of falls into that trap until the very, very end.
So its fine hen Batman does it but not when his top villian does?
@@luisgay5897 Batman is set up from the beginning of most comics to be somewhat like this but not to the same extent usually. Also, typically we can see him enact his plans, set them up, so it feels more logical most of the time. Joker is characterized by someone who might have one really thought out plan, but is probably just following a vague layout. He can work with the super planner schtick, but for the most part he's just not designed to be that kind of villain, so when he seems to magically know and have prepared everything in advance to a ridiculous level, it's a little hard to believe.
a few years ago I had only read a few batman/joker/bat family and superman comics but this was the one that made me fall in love with DC. It’s also better than any Marvel comic I’ve read (no hate)
5:26 Poor choice of words, Mullet...
bro is NOT the joker
Dude I remember reading this series of comics when they came out. This shit was legit scary. In a good way tho lmao
Face off Joker was really heat like it’s one of his best designs too
Honestly at what point does Joker stop being considered "just a crazy psychopath" and not a full blown SCP?
what is a scp?
@@ledratti Scp wiki. You will not regret reading some of them. Write scp wiki in google.
@@davidlabas1826 yeah, and some of them you ARE gonna regret
@@bruhman5829 some of them you need a Harvard degree to understand
I feel like scps range from "funny looking object" to "world ending gods", so at this point 99% of Gotham would probably end up in the scp laboratory some way or another
What if joker met Peter Parker 🤔 just emagine the horrors he could do
He already met him, Ben Riley, and red skull
He met the original spiderman man and Ben Reilly peter decided to kill him but he didn't
wild that batman couldve stopped this as soon as he saw joker on the bridge by just using a gun
I collected this story in comic form and my GOD it just got more and more depraved. Amazing, but disturbing.
The Joker wearing his own face reminds me of TWD when there were the people who were the cut out faces of other zombies to blend in with hordes of other zombies
Joker saw one of those ''people are assets'' videos with clips of peter griffin and decided to make it his entire arc for these comics
Seeing it scare you now it scares me too
My guy said "searched endlessly for hours"
To get you…
and you..
(turns to jason)
and you again
3:15 lmao, Jerome is my favorite lol
joker put a bomb in a cat... that's too far man
Ya know what’s crazy tho? That’s not even a fraction of how far he has gone.
We need a live action version of this joker!
Mainstream Hollywood would never. Maybe an indie director would; that would be sick!
I wanna know how any human being, no matter how insane they are, could survive cutting off their face.
I love the idea of the joker having a lisp because his lips are on the face that he cut it off.
his fucking villans are insane or so down bad you cant help but feel bad for them
Ah dude love the chainsaw man in the background
Dude... This Joker is freaking disturbing!
God i wish that they would make a movie with an 8k camera where batman just beats joker to a pulp and it's fully detailed how has batman put up to his shit so long
I read this story WAY TO YOUNG.I borrowed it from my local library when I was in like third grade.
Really good video you should do a video on the death of Alfred if you haven’t already
Man oh man my childhood was dark cause I could read these and head to bed 😂
The first comic issue my mom ever bought me was the one of Batman and Joker on the bridge. I’ll never forget it.
I don't understand Batmans no kill rule you have an enemy who is actively harming your family and you choose not to kill him? Why morality? Nah brutalized him watch as fear rules your enemies. It just makes more sense then any story
That's Batman's weakness
shouldve just tortured him until he is paralyzed and wouldnt be able to ever move or speak again
Canonically, there a 4 reasons.
1. Batman would not restrain himself from murdering other criminals and just become what he hates.
2. Doesn’t want to take responsibility for murdering the Joker.
3. Could end up like The Batman Who Laughs.
4. Batman, in way, finds something from fighting Joker and keeps doing this.
He’s mentally Ill like him and the rest of the rogues gallery all of them have one or more mental disorders
@@truenightmare6665 1. Batman, the wOrLd's gReAtEAst dEtEcTiVe, with "Indomitable willpower" can't stop himself from annihilating 9 year old Timmy because he stole a chocolate bar?
2. But he takes responsibility for beating up random criminals and throwing the rest in Arkham? Lol he's batman Gotham PD isn't gonna catch him
3. Just stop laughing 👍
4. Batman should hire a therapist to treat him or play some video games or something.
I could watch these endlessly
This was a crazy comic to read as a young kid
I feel like after I met this joker. The "real" joker is actually a good guy for seeing what he truly is capable of.
1:46 that’s Wild! 😮 I probably would too, anything the joker does, (mostly in the comics) is calculated and unpredictable 1:46
Joker cuts off his own face is not scary, it’s just gross and edgelord for no reason.
I know Matt reeves is going to do a joker, and I hope to high heaven to he goes this route. I really hope that Matt Reeves will take his time and do a quadriligy and have Joker hide in the background of the next two movies, and reveal himself in a fourth and final movie instead of the next one. My prime The Batman storyline has the second movie have three villains, Penguin, Hush and Mr. Freeze, with Hugo Strange in the background and introduce this version of Arkham. It would also introduce Tim Drake’s Robin. This sequel will bridge the mystery crime aspect of Batman with the sci-fi horror aspect. Continuing on the characters introduced in the last movie, the third one would flesh out the relationship of Batman and Robin, and the main villain would be Scarecrow, with Hugo Strange’s character building up in the background, and introducing his assistant, Harely Quinn. It would flesh out Arkham and focus on themes of psychology. All the while building up and foreshadowing a Matt Reeves adaption of this Joker storyline which would be the final film.
Funny that this is the one of the three jokers that live in the end of three jokers and is now the “official” joker. Although three jokers kinda bounces in and out of canon so it’s debatable
Ya boi got his Chainsaw Man manga out like an absolute chad.
One big plot hole is how anyone understands him without lips to articulate 6:04
I think bare muscles still have lips underneath. Could be wrong though. He might just have a slight lisp like Castor Troy did when his face was removed in Face/Off.
Really good video, great storytelling!
My favorite part about Joker is that he's completely right, batman refusing to kill him is really fucking stupid.
On a side note, for some reason that horses expression is really funny to me 8:40
We need a movie with this version of the Joker
I like the little detail that at the table Joker says "...and you (again)..." to Jason because he literally killed him once.
Joker not killing the Bat family, or not cutting their faces off seems a little too much fairy tale like... hes done so much fucked up shit and now he decides to just prank Batman and not really torment him as much?
"oh no the joker did something horrible, no wait its not as bad, golly gee batman we are so lucky"
Death of the Family was the first ever Batman story I ever had and I must’ve read it over 50 times in my life. Last year I got to meet Scott Snyder and had him sign my beat up old copy of death of the family for me and my Court of Owls story but Death of the Family will always and forever be my all time favorite Batman story next to the Arkham games.
You can tell he is genuinely uncomfortable talking about this story
My absolute FAVORITE thing about this Joker is how he’s a spawnable character in Scribblenauts Unmasked, a crossover with an E rated puzzle game crossover with DC.
this is my first time seeing ur channel but anyone who puts a "skip to x to see what u came for" deserves a free drink
Hm yes lore of this interpretation of the joker
For your information, this ruined my Mac and cheese.
Did you find a face in it
@@mist5372 No, but cut off faces really ruin your appetite.
@@beecryptic3059 Unfortunately for you, I have been living under your bed for the past 3 days