Nobody Actually Read Bleach.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ต.ค. 2024
- This video meant to drop last month lmao. Anyway this is a video responding to a few comments off my video "Bleach's Plot Armor."
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For those that want to comment about Ginjo, this is one of the replies I posted as to the reason why I'm confused about his Bankai:
Nah I'm not opposed to the fact that he can, it's just the method in which he does it. As far as I'm concerned, Cross of Scaffold is Ginjo's fullbring, not a zanpakuto,
I'm not sure if it says anything in the manga but in the anime, we don't get an explanation of what CoS's ability is, only thing we get is that Ginjo takes Ichigo's fullbring when he stabs him, and he's able to use Getsuga cuz of it.
Now I'm aware that Ginjo was previously a sub shinigami and that CoS changed in design after Ginjo attached his combat pass to it but what did that actually do? Did that give Ginjo his shinigami powers? Did it only give him a buff? Was CoS his original zanpakuto? Could CoS always use bankai?
It's not that I'm confused on WHY Ginjo can use bankai, I'm just confused on HOW.
You had me until the ulquiorra section and then completely lost me. Ulquiorra is the strongest espada hands down
@@ballisticbiscuit5706yeah espada are ranked on their base form
As I understand it, Cross of Scaffold was his original Zanpakuto, or at least an aspect of it, that was brought out using the fullbrings power, the same way when Ichigo gets his fullbrings it has a sword similar to zangetsu. once he combines his fullbrings Cross of Scaffold with the combat pass, we see his Cross of Scaffold (fullbrings version) merging with soul reaper energy, bringing the physical form and the soul reaper energy back together to form his old Zanpakuto, or at least a modified version of it.
@@ballisticbiscuit5706dawg😭the reason why it appears Ulquiorria is so strong is because he’s fighting an inexperienced Ichigo not at the peak of his power. Stark, Harribel and Barragan are getting stomped by captains with hundreds of years of experience and with much stronger skill sets. So please, stop ranking Espadas by feats
@@femthingevelynthis makes sense. I was about to say something concerning people’s misconceptions of Ichigo’s Fullbring. His Fullbring was not his Soul Reaper powers. It’s just formed that way because he intends it this way. His true Soul Reaper powers come back from Rukia and gang like from the first episode
That part about Unohana never being foreshadowed as Kenpachi is so funny. The people saying that definitely didn’t read nor watch bleach.
Like seriously,no one ever wanted to mess with her, aizen litterally decided it's best to run and then decided to trap zaraki unohana and byakuya in hueco mundo
Infact,am pretty sure aizen said he wanted to trap kenpachi,rather than saying kenpachi zaraki(I might be wrong)
And every time that woman says something,almost everyone just decided to not argue against and most captains are visibly afraid of her except Yamamoto lol
Unohana heavily foreshadowed,we just never took notice and thought "oh pretty lady healer"
For real though she always had that monstrous air about her.@@kannan07
One example I can think of at the top of my head is in the arrancar arc, when those skelly dudes approached Unohana, they didn't bother to fight, the leader just said "we're leaving".
Bro they low key made certain powerful characters scared in the old days
Even the filler foreshadows her power 😂💀
Fullbring was foreshadowed in Hueco mundo. Chad explained while he was in hueco mundo that he feels connected to hueco mundo or that his powers are growing due to him being there. When ever he punches, you can see hollow mask appearing on the wall. Fullbringers are humans who were affected to some degree with hollow powers. 👍
Not a hollow mask, a literal skull of the devil (it's in the name)
And it's been already said what Fullbringers are. Orihime and Chad were given their powers via Hougyoku instead, and Ichigo simply had the means to actually will a new power into being, by being who he is, instead of simply getting it or being born with it.
@@DamianQualshy but Orihime transcends from the Fullbringer category, she's a rare case
@@unohana-retsu She still draws power from a specific object tied to her. The scope of her power doesn't matter. What matters is the origin, and it's the same for Chad.
Didn't need to be foreshadowed. It was implied from the moment they first gained their abilities.
@@ManganizationWhat’s good is that this was confirmed I think last year or year before by Kubo, because we can all come to an agreement or point but we won’t know for 100% sure.
Something that people never catch on is that ichigo being a quincy was hinted at for a minute, there's been literall cases of ichigo absorbing energy from people and that's the main trait of a quincy's powers
Yeah , ichigo absorbing rukias power was not explained at that time , there was always a sense of unknown about his powers
And when he fires getsuga, he absorbs reiatsu from everything around him. One of the biggest giveaways
The fact that Ichigo's power is non-elementally based. Its energy based like a quincy.
I mean ichigo literally used the ability unique to quincies within the first arc (the reishi ribons), and everyone just kinda glazed over it. We figured ichigo must just be a prodigy or something, but it was the ultimate foreshadowing.
@@calvinwilson3617 nah. Rukia explains the ribbons and that soul reapers can use that ability
To me, Bleach is a great example of "Show don't tell writing" and if you are a shallow reader (for lack of a better term), you will simply not pick up on the details/intricacies of this amazing Manga/Anime.
true, you need IQ to comprehend info
Facts but others will probably read anything they just didn't wanna read Bleach because of the negative stigma by it but where's all that oh if "the more people hate on it the more I want to love it" go? 👀👁👁 I be wondering why all the time but that's just unfortunate.
no thats cope. The Power scaling and regurgitated character progression is shallow in its self. It is bad writing. Ichigo never actually progresses and he gets stripped of his powers each time, and when the enemy gives him the power they are surprised at why they get there ass wooped. This happens every season. And There was no show dont tell writing because there was soo much monologuing it would be hard to not understand whats going on. Don't call other people shallow readers just cause you think its intricate when its not.
@@toonmaster777 See now I just feel like this is slandering lowkey.
@@danteshollowedgrounds Think what you will but i read the whole thing so this isnt just "they just didn't wanna read Bleach because of the negative stigma" I wanted to see for myself and literally forced myself to read it. You also have to look at it this way, if the majority dislike it maybe its not that great. Its not for everybody and some people enjoy this kind of writing. I enjoyed bits and i really wanted to like some characters but it lost me after a while. I think the first arc should have stopped there honestly. Before i always thought bleach(from an outside perspective) was sick and the music was hype as shit. Read it and honestly I agree why its not top tier. If you enjoyed it than you enjoyed it that's all that matters. but to paint the picture that "no one understands bleach" is bad faith imo. Who is to say you just don't understand writing? either way to each there own.
That homie at the end didn't realize that Unohana had like, 10 instances of captains gulping in fear of her potential wrath.
@rickmel09yes or “crazy woman who you don’t know the full extent of her craziness”
@@josephmother2659 yet in retrospect, how come no one shat themselves whenever Soi Fan acted like a bitch? Even Yamamoto respected Unahana getting pissed, but meanwhile no one gave any amount of that kind of respect to any female of the gotei 13 besides Unohana. Hell the closest we got to that dynamic was Ichigo's dad and Rangiku, or Shinji and Mashiro, but even that was always clearly in a joking manner. Meanwhile Unohana's veiled threats made the captains shit bricks
They may dismiss that as "don't piss off the one that will heal your wounds", but Unohana is the only known healer in Bleach to instill fear aura on the arses of those poor sods.
“bleach is not about getting power, is about control your own power”
idk where i heard that from but facts 🗣️
well there are multiple things that foreshadow ichigos quincy powers
ichigos sword randomly manifesting out of nowhere when rukia gave him powers is literally a quincy thing. they manifest weapons by condensing reiatsu.
the way ichigo charges up his attacks by collecting reishi from surroundings is a quincy thing. literally no shinigami or hollow does that.
also the og quincy cross on ichigos bed.
Even yhwach and ichibei where foreshadowed early on when ichigo first meets old man zangetsu in his inner world ichigo asks who are you and old man replies it's me yhwach but his name is censored out in the panel and is blurred out in the anime and ichigo replies what was that I couldn't hear him and old man says I see it still can't reach you
@@LUCIOUSXIVis this actually confirmed? Or are just making stuff up? I'm pretty positive that was for the name of his sword ...
@@lilfishnet9265 th-cam.com/video/c3qOQSBxSZs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=KT3sCqGO2Iv-0yzZ
@@lilfishnet9265 It was confirmes by Kubo in Club Outside. Mr. Tommo did a video about that i think
@@LUCIOUSXIV In the manga his name is literally blacked out as if inked over.
I love how TH-cam suddenly decided to recommend me some good Bleach commentary content. Bless you brother, keep up the good work.
Same fr
Ong fr
It’s crazy to me how people will call HXH a masterpiece, JJK best new gen then turn around and call Bleach trash it’s literally has both elements that make those shows elite Bleach is easily one of the best mangas I’ve ever read with some elite level character and story writing. You like thought provoking themes? Bleach has it. You like well written deep characters? Bleach has it. You like plot twist and good story? Bleach has it. You like great side cast of characters and great villains? Bleach got that too
TELL EM!
you like filler?😂 nah bleach is good fr tho
No, bleach doesn't catch that sense of wonder and intrigue that HxH has.
@@ironleegaming8227I wouldn’t exactly say that JJK is better than Bleach though.
@@ironleegaming8227it definitely does especially with all the shows secrets and lore
All that I've learnt from this is that people don't know the difference between plot armor, plot hole and a plot convenience.
and plot device
Kubo likes to be subtle with his writing. He’s more of a show don’t tell kind of writer. Thats y people miss these foreshadowings like hollow ichigo being his true zanpakto from the beginning
Kubo foreshadows such that toy don't see the man behind the curtain. Later, you realize there wasn't a curtain to begin with.
@@SerunaXIHe literally puts it right in your face, just in a way that you didn't expect or that you never truly got the first time around. The Quincy Cross, Ichigo's absorption, the Quincy allegories, the hints of Zangetsu truly being White, many different elements of the story were foreshadowed, but in such a way that no one would get it on the first read, or that the average reader would comprehend.
There are also many other elements in the story that will never be explained and are left to the reader's interpretation, such as the relationship between Aizen and Momo, or the fate of Bambietta. He did it in such a way that the more mature and darker themes of Bleach are there, but it isn't too much for Shonen Jump. Kubo is a genius writer up there with Eiichiro Oda and I'm tired of people shitting on his name.
Yep, I think White doesn't give any name, he says "I am you" or close to that. Not the I am you as a clone but evil, but I am literally part of you soul.
He INTENDED to be vague...and intes to use not much backgrounds.
Intent and no intent is a BIG DEAL.
I intend to kill a rabbit
The rabbit ran in front I ran it over. What's the difference
my problem is kubo has amazing character and story beats he can't actually use in the magazine. If your are annoyed at people saying vasto lorde for his transformation...then fuck off THE NAME ISS COOL
If only he was as subtle when it came to characters using their abilities and not talking about them to their enemy.
It was Ichigos will to protect orihime, but white took over just to protect him. 👍
Or rather ichigo's will led them both mad, because that form,was not zangetsu,zangetsu has a conscience and is sentient and isn't that rampant
In the fight with Ulquiorra he says tatsukeru which means to protect. It probably stands for both writing wise.
Yes he even attacked uryu which is something ichigo wouldn’t do nor would he think about doing it ever
It was instinct, and nothing else
@@DamianQualshy exactly
Tell me why I read the title as "Nobody Actually Read Bleach" and was so confused and then I doubled back and read "Nobody Actually Read Bleach"
Fun fact, the original title was actually “Nobody Actually Read Bleach” but I changed my mind and now it’s “Nobody Actually Read Bleach”
Wtf is going on here am so confused
@@kannan07past and present tense of the verb reading is just read, but said differently so they are doing puns
@@ΚρανίΩ I was too stupid at english to understand 😭
Thanks for the explanation
Bruh wtf 😂 I read no body read Bleach too 🤣🤣🤣
The reason why bleach gets hate from tards all over the internet is because
first- bleach is aimed at adults.
It’s not pushed towards high “schoolers and middle schoolers”
Second- kubo is a indirect story writer to understand bleach
“you have to study these characters cause they are complex”
Lastly: bleach may get a lot of hate but that is only because of its high success bleach is the most influential of the big three
Nah I personally don’t think Bleach is aimed towards adults, I’d probably say older teens like 15-18, but Bleach is written differently to the average shonen, its depth is very subtle compared to something like One Piece where the characters are still deep but are much more direct.
@@strawhatroyI think the most common thing that happens is the older you get the more you appreciate Bleach. I personally didn't get Bleach at all and thought it was a lesser Version of Naruto or One Piece. Until I was 14 now I am nearly 17 and learn to appreciate Bleach more and more.
It doesn't spoon feed you the information, which turns off a lot of people especially 6-15. Now it's even worse because of social media since people ( even adults) have the reading comprehension of a goldfish.
@@strawhatroy that's true, especially bleach has complex story plus it also have poem which everyone still have no idea about it.
@@lpcestadminadmo572 speaking about spoon feed, did you know that bleach has so many statement, it seems similar to real world where there are a lot of fake news, that's why you must find the evidence so you not come with wrong conclusion.
Nah , bleach community needs to stop saying this is for mature people and shit , its definetely aimed for teens its just that to appreciate it more you need to dig more than other shounen , i watched it when i was 14 and till now its my favourite
One thing i really hate about people who critize bleach is that they will say ichigo is a Mary sue because he is a hybrid of all races but that had not really always won him a fight or made him able to absolutely steamroll enemys .
In his fight with with kenpachi he didn't even win that fight but tied and by the end of it was on the verge of death .
In his fight with Byakuya he didn't really defeat Byakuya he desided to forfeit the fight and concede to ichigo.
In his first fight with grimmjow he gets stomped by him because his mask breaks and he has to be saved by Shinji.
When he cronfronted aizen for the first time aizen stopped his blade and cut him almost in half.
Ulqiorra killed him twice
He was only able to beat aizen with a deus ex machina .
In his first fight with yhwach he was overpowered and nearly killed .
He tried to fight Askin after his training and got defeated .
In his second fight with yhwach he was overpowered and defeated
And in his final fight with yhwach he needed Uryu and Aizens help to score the W
Naruto and sasuke have more plot armor, more ass pulls, and more "born of a legendary race" than the entire bleach universe. Indra and Ashura reincanatios, born from the WEAKEST doujutsu clan but have the most OP abilities every conceived of most of which were never even hinted at before they show up, "oh this isn't even my final form" for both kurama modes and sharingan, and both of them having life ending fights where they should have 100% died and lost... only to be saved by bullshit. Sasuke is the WORST about it.
@@mammy24 tbf about the kurama modes most of them made sense, it was the later stages which were complete bull
@@mammy24 iffy comment fr, them being reincarnations didn't mean they were destined for strength, it just meant they were destined to fight and that naruto would kill sasuke, uchiha and uzumaki were top 5 and its not even ridiculous to say uzumaki was the strongest, multiple nations jumped them, they had insane durability, chakra reserves and sealing jutsu, and uchiha were fueled by EMOTIONS and not jus despair which is actually really powerful
I find it irony when jjk and demon slayer fans say bleach is mid 💀 , like bruv your author got inspired from it thats why your manga is in existence "coz of bleach" 😭
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An artist fan of both Bleach and Demon Slayer that I don't know on a personal level was just talking about how Demon Slayer was becoming his new Bleach. And that's why I was so disappointed by Demon Slayer I guess. My expectations were too high.
I do not dunk on the artist, I can see why he would feel that. It just didn't click the same for me.
@@ZhaojuEphastine Yeah, I don't get that person's comparison beyond both being popular & having swords. Demon Slayer, for it's merits, is a very direct narrative -- Bleach's extensive foreshadowing makes it a different experience in retrospect even after multiple reads. DS is the type of story that can be almost completely digested during the first read.
They r not insulting bleachs legacy, just tge quality of tge series. Some past few chapters of jjk rlly brought it down imo, but if we were still in the gojo vs sukuna fight, I also would have jjk above bleach. I'm not denying it's inspiration, just that I think the series is better.
HxH got inspired by Dragon Ball, but no one in their right mind would say that the latter is better or even equal
Bleach actually has a way better story then it contemporaries and I’ve been reading drawing manga for a long time
Here's the thing about people saying that Ichigo's genetics being plot armor--We got an outright hint when Ichigo was ALMOST told his mother's origin but nver got around to it due to the battles going on. I think this happened in the arrancar arc. When Ichigo got shishkabobed by Kenpachi, Rolex used Blut Vein to stem the bleeding so he wouldn't die.
Another thing, Rolex never lied. He ALWAYS brought out White to deal with problems of the zanpaktou. Because White IS the source of his shinigami powers. White and Rolex never lied. They were upfront with everyone, audience included but we claimed it as cap and moved on.
When Ichigo got his powers back he never bothered to check if he had an inner world because he assumed it was deleted by Mugetsu only to find out that Rolex was there. Rolex is always there, watching and waiting. You can't remove Rolex as much as you can't remove a soul from a human. It's a part of Ichigo.
Also, I think Ulquiorra is probably able to reach top 2 on the Espada leaderboard because of one major thing--That juicy regeneration. How long can you realistically fight against an opponent that can do high speed renegeration, moves dumb fast and has explosive power?
Also Unohana was avoided by everyone because they knew that sweet demeanor was some bullshit. They knew something was wrong with here. Even Yamamoto was like, "No fighting for you. Tend to the injured." That says A LOT about her.
That's just my takes.
Ulquiorra himself said that there is 3 arrancars that are more powerful than him. Probably Yammy, Starrk and Barraggan
@@Hope-mtz can't be said honestly, i think ulquiorra is the strongest with his second form cuz well the number disappearing argument and the fact that he fought ichigo, aizen knew about ulquiorra's 2nd form from the start ulquiorra just hadn't shown the transformation to aizen yet plus aizen left uluiorra to make ichigo stronger, if stark was truly stronger i think he would have left stark back cuz first he is strong and is also kind of lazy so he wouldn't get all serious and kill ichigo in an instant. he would have been the best choice to make ichigo stronger.
@@sarthakshrivastava6073 Many espada numbers disappear when they go resurrection, like Szayel and Barraggan. And aizen put Ulquiorra against ichigo because he was more reliable. Segunda etapa is just another usual power up resurrection, which for sure wouldn't make him jump from espada 4 to espada 0, it would at least make him slightly stronger than halibel.
@@Hope-mtz nah I don't think so. Ulquiorra is definitely stronger than stark not yammy tho. It just feels right
@@sarthakshrivastava6073 Keep in mind that his first release was still under Halibel, it wouldn't make sense that he jumped from 4 to 1/0
Ya the whole point of the arrancar arc was for ichigo to learn that balance of tapping into his sould reaper power(aka white) whilst still being able to have complete mental fortitude. Hence he never "uses it again because (until everything but the rain) he's able to tap into that power.
Ginjo was a substitute soul reaper so it makes sense why he has soul reaper powers too
Right he was the first substitute soul Reaper, So it would make sense that he would be able to bankai.
@@ShinetoZeroX it wouldn't, really, and he doesn't use Shinigami powers at all, only Fullbringe and what he mimics from Ichigo
@@DamianQualshy That doesn't make any sense. The story straight up said he was the first substitute soul Reaper. That was literally one of the points of the Fullbringe arc.
@@ShinetoZeroX he was, yes, but just because he was one doesn't mean he learned Bankai, let alone Shikai, even Ichigo took a while before getting to it
@@DamianQualshy Well, since the story didn't say he did or didn't. It's not really a stretch either way. The bottom line is, he knows how to handle that kind of power.
My dude. I see it all the time from people who clearly only watched the anime and did not read the manga. I read Bleach top to bottom manga first and loved it. I agree with you 100%. Loads of people shit on Bleach just to shit on it. Missed so much if you only watched anime.
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Alot of ppl shit on it for the sake of shitting on it, same goes for literally everything else that is popular. It's not a phrase that can be used to dismiss the shows actual issues.
@o0ugi860 Bleach is not perfect but 90% of people issues with the show can be explained with missed context or foreshadowing.
@@o0ugi860You can tell it happens to bleach more than it's peers. Who cares about the flaws when they don't even point them out, they just hate just to hate. Who cares about the flaws when no one ever tries to look at the things it does well (this one is just true for all media, but since bleach is hated on so much, it's especially true here). Noones dismissing the flaws, defending is not dismissing. Even the guy in the video points out flaws when he sees them. You are the one dismissing everything else, you took one point from the video and decided to make a poor criticism (more like an insult), exactly what the point was criticizing.
All marvel & DC characters just want to protect people too, just like Ichigo 👍
Regarding the last comment and Ichigo's mom being a Quincy, he's drawn with Quincy/ cross symbolisms SEVERAL times in the manga throughout the story, also he uses multiple quincy techniques during even the first arc and the SS arc too. Also his first, fake Bankai could be argued to be a Quincy reishi construct, Byakuya says that Ichigos sword cannot be Bankai too. Yhwatch's name being blurred, Aizen getting interrupted by Isshin, etc. In Bleach there is great importance to names and different names enable different powers, hence some are false (Yumichika shikai, Renji bankai etc).
I can maybe understand anime onlies, but these issues are resolved by just paying more attention, like I've seen people still saying that Dangai Ichigo exchanged his SP for physical power lol
"Yhwach's name being blurred"
That is easily one of the most obvious retcons in the history of the concept. Don't act like that was planned from the get-go, it *clearly* wasn't. It _wasn't_ a bad retcon, but it was 100% a retcon.
Like, I can accept that maybe Kubo had some ideas for Ichigo being slash being related to the Quincy in some way from the beginning (I'm still super skeptical that Kubo isn't just bluffing about that), but the idea that he planned that part out that far ahead when the guy was improvising with the villains (up to and including which characters WERE the villains) through the entire Soul Society arc up until only a short time before the Aizen plot twist is *absurdly* unlikely.
@@ASNS117Zero You're literally the idiot who doesn't get it. Kubo could make the greatest foreshadowing of the century and you'll still say it's coincidence.
During ichigos conversation with urahara, urahara did say that they can get stronger from near death situations. 👍
Ginjo used to be a substitute soul reaper so he can use bankai, and in the CFYOW light novel Tokinada says that Ginjo should be eligible as a soul king candidate (a being with hollow, soul reaper, and quincy powers). Meaning that he'd have to have some form all of those genes inside of him, even if he can't use all their abilities. We know that he has Soul Reaper powers from his time as a substitute, and has hollow powers because his mother was attacked by a hollow during birth, so either he has a trace amount of Ichigo's quincy reiatsu in him or his fullbringer powers make up for it since fullbringers have a piece of the soul king in them.
I think when Ichigo in VL form started to say “protect her” that may have been him fighting back for control while white was protecting him. At that point in the story ichigo didn’t know white wanted to protect him, and white took matters into his own hands because ichigo couldn’t win. We’ve always seen signs of ichigo trying to take back control when white takes over, him saying “protect her” may very well have been that
When you know that some people "watch" episodes in x2 speed, you know that listening to those guys will be a trial.
I genuinly HATE the people (especially anime watchers) that just CANNOT enjoy their own favorite series without needing to absolutely tear down a series that got just as popular as their own personal favorite series. Its honestly so pathetic to see, and sadly, its extremely common(not just with anime/manga). But MY LORD, was Bleach a victim of this(and still sometimes is)!
I know what your talking about. It's weird right? But I don't think they're doing it for that reason. I think people genuinely don't like other series, but rather than saying "I don't like it personally" they say "it's bad" not realizing there's a difference, some people just think their opinion is objective truth which is wild. The best perspectives in any series is from a person who likes it tbh. They usually know more. That and like, you can not like something, people think they have to justify their feelings by saying something is bad. Like firstly, people don't have to explain themselves you can not like something even if it's good, I think when your hurtful/hateful it becomes a problem.
I agree with you 100% tho, for the most part
Bleach is also a lot of times, it's instigator, especially considering modern anime. When it was announced bleach would be returning, bleach fans kept claiming bleach would dominate every year it was running. But now that jjk took most people's attention, bleach fans can't help but call everything in jjk "discount bleach" whenever similarities between the 2 series r mentioned. Yet they don't do tge same with other stories tgat so clear were inspired by bleach as well, demon slayer and black clover for example.
@@Blackmustache870I don't see that in the Bleach fanbase. Actually, most Bleach fans love JJK and really like seeing the many parallels and similarites the two share.
@@Blackmustache870 Sorry dude but I haven’t seen that at all
Dont forget that ichigo has been seen having like a literal quincy flag as a bedsheet waaaay before we could theorize anything about his mom, aka from the very first episode, was even a theorized thing way back then, there was people saying that it was only on the anime but kubo was not a stranger to asking to add stuff in the anime after he already wrote something in the manga, just to try and tie things up better
The first time ichigo uses shinigami badge and the soul reaper doesn’t recognize it. Uryu immediately think something off but he didn’t say something about.
That "I will protect you" was definitely towards orihime
That was ichigo saying it
Cuz that moment,ichigo was still in control
Infact,zangetsu was never in controol
at that moment,his will essentially did connect with zangetsu,but ichigo's desires essentially led them both mad and rather than zangetsu taking over,it was entirely the vastoe lorde white
Yes they are different,white is a hollow
The white ichigo we see is not white,its zangetsu and hes not insane
Zangetsu has never gone that insane and rampant
It's called instinct my dude
Another example is the (non-canon) movie Hell Verse, when Ichigo saves Yuzu, he carefully holds her in his arm.
A lot of Bleach's storytelling is subtle and that messes with people
I always thought of Bleach like darksouls, there r a lot of hidden details you can miss and r irrelevant to the main story. You can still enjoy the story for what it is, but if u read between the lines it becomes a whole other manga. It is still by no means an absolute masterpiece, but I feel it doesnt get the recogniztion it deserves.
yeah. kubo dropped the most obvious hints that ichigo's fight with aizen after he returns to karakura town (after his fight with ulqiora) that ichigo was scared to use his vizored to its full power because white would take full control again. this is shown in how the mask is less detailed, it became less of himself, and thus it became weaker because he rejected the notion of who he was.
I genuinely thought that was a transformation instead of white taking him over, and it wasnt until I learned about Klub Kubo that i learned about this, but looking back, it makes perfect sense, especially with how ichigo grew as a character during the hueco invasion arc.
at first, i saw it as a rejection of self, but now, i feel like it can be summarized with a quote from grimjow (i forgot the specific chapter and it has been a while, so feel free to correct me)
"you're on our level now."
Thats just one example of how people did not get bleach's storytelling, it was meant to be analyzed, with how much "being yourself" was a part of ichigo getting stronger, it was heavily obvious in retrospect.
As someone who was not read or watched Bleach, I can confirm that I have neither read nor watched Bleach
i’ll never forgot the day I picked up a bleach volume in my city library when i was just a little kid, remembering that enjoyment from the world building, story line, and designs. Fast forward 15+ years I still love the elite work tite kubo is bringing to life in this new animation. Bleach is one of the greatest manga ever!
The best comment I saw about Bleach’s writing is that “Bleach doesn’t handhold you”. People that expect Bleach to be like a shounen and written like a shounen get disappointed and don’t further explore or look past the surface of the story. Understand that Kubo’s philosophy when it comes to writing is very unlike most of his peers. He is very specific about the way he writes his characters and stories, that doesn’t save the story from inconsistencies or mistakes in writing, but it does make it so that you have to be willing to put in the effort to understand more about Bleach.
Also regarding the last guy that was saying everything about Bleach is plot armor; any convenient set up or factor in a story does not make it a plot armor, you’re misconstruing the meaning of the words ‘plot armor’. Plot armor is an opportune arrangement created for the sole purpose of keeping (in the majority of cases) the protagonist alive in a scenario where that opportune arrangement would be the only way they would survive or avoid danger; none of the points you mentioned have anything to do with guaranteeing the characters’ success, let alone keeping them alive. You also need to learn what Chekhov’s Gun is in story-writing, because Bleach uses it plenty and that doesn’t not make it plot armor/plot convenience.
That's not tge problem with bleach. Bleach supposedly doesn't "handhold" u because many of tge events surrounding the deeper meanings don't do a good job at pulling the reader in in the 1st place. An authors job is to make tge reader invested. U can't just say kubo doesn't handhold his audience as an excuse for not executing thta part of his story well. For example, if a single person within the story even questioned the origins of ichigos hollow powers, people would be more intrigued in ichigos inner struggle with his hollow instead of just seeing it as a power up. And no, it's not handholding because it's even more insane how nobody questioned the unusual aspect of ichigo having hollow powers at all. But u only get to know this issue in a rewatch once u get all tge info from tybw. So it's not tge audiences fault. It's kubos execution of tge series that's at fault.
@@Blackmustache870 Bleach repeatedly doesn’t do a lot of typical anime writing tropes, you can’t sum it up to ‘bad execution’ when it happens repeatedly again and again, that just means you never questioned “why Kubo didn’t just write things in this way”.
As for Ichigo’s Hollow Powers, I can’t figure out if by people you mean the audience or the characters in-story. If you mean the audience, if the fact that Ichigo’s Hollow seemingly seems to have ‘stuck around’ after regaining his powers at the end of the Substitute Soul Reaper Arc and even played a role in the Soul Society Arc in two different fights is something that did not get you interested or questioning why that was the case, then that’s just a general lack of interest you had in it, there’s nothing an author can do about it. The series goes even further by introducing Shinji and the Vizards to tell you “there’s a deeper conspiracy at play here”, before resolving it in the Arrancar Saga with the Turn Back the Pendulum Arc (which I will agree, had a bit of an odd placement in the middle of the Arc). If after all that you never had a question like “but Ichigo didn’t Hollowfy like Shinji and gang, why does HE have a Hollow?”, then all I can say is that you probably never had much on an interest in the subplot in the first place. There are subtle hints in his Hollowfications which are meant to tell you that it is continuously changing (such as the patterns on his mask), so the most logical thing to do is wait for the payoff when it COMPLETELY changes, which eventually happens. His Hollowfication (in the eyes of the audience) is not resolved because it is intentionally postponed at the end of the Arrancar Saga, with Kubo almost literally tells the audience“the time for the answer to be revealed has not yet come”.
However, if you were talking about the characters never asking why Ichigo had Hollow Powers. The first point would be that most of them did not have direct contact with Ichigo Hollowfied outside of Byakuya, who more than likely had to report it after his fight with Ichigo, which means they at most knew by secondary means. I mean just remember the fight between Tosen and Komamura, despite neither Komamura nor Tosen being present at his Hollowfications, one mentioned and the other replied with acknowledgement of the fact that Ichigo had Hollow Powers. You can make an argument that Tosen knew because of Aizen, but why Komamura? It then becomes evident through deduction that Byakuya more than likely reported it to the Captains, Vice-Captains and perhaps Ichigo’s Soul Reaper friends (Rukia and Renji). And from there it spirals further, if everyone knew he Hollowfied, then at least the high-ranked members of the 13 Court Guard Squads would remember - and those that were replaced would be informed - the fact that this happened 100 years ago with the Captains and Vice-Captains of their own Squads. Then comes the questioning “well how?” And the answer is simple, the one that was accused of doing it before, Kisuke Urahara more than likely did it, and it lines up, Ichigo is a human, Urahara escaped and hid in the human world, and the most vital part is, Ikkaku had CONFIRMED in his fight - something he also more than likely reported - that the one who trained Ichigo was Urahara. Aizen being revealed at the end of the Soul Society Arc throws a wrench in that speculation, but with his betrayal, they wouldn’t put it past him to do it again. Evidently, that is not what happens in the end, but the Soul Society has no reason to doubt that’s what happened as it seemed clear that it was a repeat of what happened to Shinji and the Vizards so there was no need to question Ichigo about it.
So that’s why I think Bleach doesn’t handhold you, other series would’ve incrementally revealed every aspect of their specific scenarios, but Kubo intentionally didn’t despite hints that such info was passed around in the background. Is this the best way to write a story? That is up to preference, but I feel chalking up the intentional writing style which reinforces itself through the story to ‘bad execution’ is an unwillingness or perhaps even a lack of interest in retrospectively looking back and asking “why weren’t things done like this though?”. And that’s fair, most of us have stories that captivate us more than others, and perhaps for most people Bleach and its specific style of storytelling and storywriting just isn’t one of those captivating ones. But it still remains sad to see so many that don’t grasp aspects of it and then claim it has no ‘depth’.
@stefangirbea982 I'm talking about characters within the story. And even if byakuya didn't have much contact with ichigo, u would think a power like that is worth reporting to yammammoto so they can investigate since they were seemingly wary of ichigo betraying them.
For kommommura and tosen, everyone pretty much knew that aizen was using the hokyoku to cross the boundaries of Soul Reaper and Hollow, so it would make sense for one of aizens henchmen to gain that power. But ichigo?? He was a stranger to most people in the soul society, and most people close to ichigo, including ichigo himself, didn't even know aizen, to just go, "Oh, u can do that? Cool."
Ur trying to excuse leaving out plot points for kubo, not handholding u. If the soul society rlly believed kisuke was involved in ichigos hollowficatiom, they would care more than they actually did, because they were worried of ichigo betraying them.
Then u also have to wonder why none of ichigos FRIENDS bothered to question his hollow powers. It makes no sense for them to just accept it. But the readers r supposed to look past that and see his power up as anything more than a power up?
What tropes? Fully explained power system, while bleach is so vague, at this point, u can believe that u can do anything with rieatsu? That's not a good thing. Some things in the series NEED to be explained, and bleach just doesn't do it. Kido in bleach is literally so vague, when we're told that there r 99 kido and bakudo as lore, nobody questioned how tf kisuke pulled that God sealing kido he MADE UP out of his ass. It's part of why u can never call anything in bleach plot armor. No rules were established beforehand to say it was out of the question. That's not a good thing.
@@Blackmustache870 1. That’s exactly why I said that Ichigo’s Hollowfication was definitely reported since people uninvolved with him such as Komamura were aware of it.
2. You misunderstood my point, I never addressed Tosen Hollowfying, I simply gave as an example two people that were entirely removed from the group who witnessed Ichigo’s Hollowfication yet both seemed to know it, despite not witnessing it, and stating that Komamura knowing it despite not being present is proof that Ichigo’s Hollowfication was reported in the Gotei 13.
3. This is not leaving out plot points, Ichigo was monitored by the Soul Society since the end of the Soul Society Arc, this has been revealed in the Fullbringer Arc and was hinted at since the end of the Soul Society Arc. The reason he was simply monitored instead of actively spied on or pursued is because of two reasons: 1. Consuming additional resources on Ichigo while they were preparing for a full scale war with Aizen, whose goal was to destroy the balance of the worlds by killing the Soul King, is an incredibly foolish waste of resources. 2. The reason Yamamoto told Ichigo to remain in the World of the Living after Orihime was kidnapped was in order to help them fight Aizen when he shows up in the winter. Ichigo was not seen as enough of a threat to warrant mobilizing the Squads on him, in fact it was more beneficial for them to treat him as an ally (despite more than likely being seen as a tool) in order to have additional firepower when fighting Aizen, rather than angering Ichigo and turning him against them. Just because they didn’t have an obvious reaction onscreen to his Hollowfication doesn’t mean there was no concern regarding his mysterious powers, though as Shinji and the Vizards set a precedent, Ichigo was not as alarming of a case as he would’ve been if he was the first to exhibit these abilities. Them being ready to kill Ichigo is also touched upon in the Fullbringer Arc where it was revealed that from the moment he showed up, if he did anything they deemed was damaging to the Soul Society they would get rid of him.
4. None of Ichigo’s human friends were initially aware of his Hollow Powers. Orihime, who came in direct contact with Ichigo had an inkling which was confirmed when he Hollowfied in front of her while fighting Grimmjow, but even she who was in direct contact didn’t know. IF they knew about it, Urahara more than likely told them, and even then, what could they have done or added to the story by addressing it? Confirmation that they knew? Them knowing doesn’t change anything since they all believe in Ichigo as their friend and/or savior. As for the viewers/readers, we know much more intimately the relationship between Ichigo and his Hollow, there is an entire inner struggle with a fake resolution which tells the audience that the whole ordeal with the Hollow is not over. Him fighting his Inner Hollow and the Hollow warning him “not to die before I show up again” could not be a clearer explanation as for why he HAS power-ups while Hollowfied, which in turn tells the audience that “this guy can take control at any given moment”, if that doesn’t keep you interested or questioning things such as why the patterns on Ichigo’s mask change, then you just have no interest in the subplot in the first place.
5. By tropes I mean things such as grand reveals where the entire cast finds crucial information out and has a reaction to it for the audience to see, such as in many cases in One Piece; don’t get me wrong, I’m not knocking One Piece for that, I’m just saying that Bleach doesn’t seem to follow those kind of tropes.
6. Bleach’s power system is ‘vague’ (a word I wouldn’t necessarily use to describe it) because there is no classification or ‘scientific’ (I guess?) way of incorporating and explaining how every individual character’s powers, Shikai, Bankai, Resurrección, Fullbring, Vollständig etc. works as they are all one of a kind. I would say that not being able to suspend your disbelief and asking to see how each race in Bleach can exactly manipulate spirit particles to the point they give birth to their unique powers is quite frankly a ridiculous thing to ask for, since not many writers go to that degree when creating the power system in their story, so that isn’t simply uniquely a Bleach ‘fault’. I will agree with you on a mistake Bleach makes, an explanation for how Kido is created and utilized would be good to see, though perhaps they exist in the Data Books which I haven’t had the pleasure of looking through firsthand; though even then an explanation in-story would’ve been appreciated. Other than that though, difference in manipulation of spirit particles has been introduced in the series as early as the Substitute Soul Reaper Arc, when Quincies were introduced and we were told they used their powers to ERASE Hollows not CLEANSE them, so difference in manipulation of spirit particles should not be a surprise or something that should be “explained in great detail”, that should be left for things such as the aforementioned Data Books.
7. Regarding Kisuke’s Hado he used on Aizen, yes, I agree that it is very much an unexplained phenomenon which I think is more than likely a fault in writing. At the same time, I am not fully informed on that specific moment, perhaps there is someone out there that has concrete information as for why that isn’t simply plot convenience. The only defence I can really give it is that, seeing as how Urahara is a genius able of creating many different inventions, I wouldn’t put it past him to create a new Kido made for the sole purpose of fighting Aizen. And even then, this explanation is not very satisfying. Trust me, I realize there are asspulls and moments in Bleach that don’t make sense, such as Ichigo’s Final Getsuga that was never explained or foreshadowed.
The thing is, I’ve already made my argument and reinforced it through (thankfully) a civil discussion. We could go back and forth with issues and explanations but neither of us is gonna change their mind as we see things from different angles and are of differing opinions. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to try and explain my reasoning as well as Bleach, but I’m gonna bow out of the conversation as I don’t see the point is spending even more time on something I know is gonna keep going for much longer without a clear outcome or changed opinions.
@stefangirbea982 I'm sure people KNEW about the ability. But that's not my point. U would think an ability like that would be a bigger deal to people knew about it, enough to mention it in the story AND question ichigos origins, but the soul society just went on like it was a regular day for them. These plot points r important in addressing and wouldn't be handholding I'd they were because questioning Ichigos hollow powers I'd a logical pov after finding out about it.
Considering uryu wasn't surprised when ichigo transformed against ulquiorra, it's fair to say his friends DID know about it. They could have internal dialogue thinking about it. This would be nice set up as a mystery for them being worried about what the hollow would do with ichigo. And again, it's not handholding, because it's more crazy to act like his hollow powers were normal.
About bleachs power system, I'm not talking about tge various zanpakto abilities. I'm talking about how rieatsu specifically can be used. I understand quincies r able to manipulate rieatsu at will, but that limit is never rlly told to us, so whenever uryu creates a random application to his rieatsu devices to win a fight, we're just like, "Oh cool." Kisuke making wrist seals somehow also is never questioned. The applications of rieatsu seem endless because no rules were established beforehand about how it could be used.
I love the guy talking about plot armour but meaning plot holes 😂
Anyways, to address a point of Ichigo getting back the same powers after getting a "new" zanpakuto. All I need to say is "The Blade is Me".
The whole point of a zanpakuto is that it is an extension of one's soul. Of course the powers are the same, they're Ichigo's powers. Zangetsu is a conduit for channeling his powers. The best way to explain it wiuld be Mista from JoJo's. Sex Pistols is his power but he uses a gun to use his powers.
21:55 The whole thing with Ichigo getting his powers back was foreshadowed by Ishida getting his powers back... Does no one remember how Ishida supposedly destroyed his ability to gather reshi(sp) in the Soul Society arch, but had found a loophole and got them back better than ever by the time the Hollow Arch started? Like my guy...
i remember a specific quote during that Ichigo said when he was about to slash Renji. "I have resolve." I always loved that quote as for me that's a good chunk of what Ichigo is. Bro doesn't really have to explain it. If he has something he cares about, he will always give it his all.
This is actually fairly true. Still praying for your success bro
Muchas gracias twin 🤞
13:33 in klub kubo, kubo answered its because Kenny gave her a name.
20:50 the soul of a soul reaper is the zanpakuto ability. They are the same... Hence "the blade IS ME"
22:50 quincies have never been shown to check inside their own soul
@@RaraPremiumno, masaki has it.
klub outside
Bleach is like an American movie. A lot of the times the character arcs and nuances are beneath the surface. It doesn’t always spell everything out for you.
I agree but alot of people use that to excuse the actually surface level and poorly written shit. After a certain point, perceived nuances stop being such and become headcanons. You can look at any surface level interaction with no deeper meaning and interperet some deep philosophical meaning out of nowhere.
Hollow mask kinda makes ichigo act closer to a hollow becoming more reliant on battle instinct it’s why he was fighting the way he was versus grimmjow he becomes more ruthless and hollow like
Around 22:30 So actually a lot of people had theories while Bleach was on going regarding Ichigo being a Quincy and Isshin being a Shinigami before both were reveal. In Japan, when the Gotei was presented, people begun to find through the few scene of Ichigo's house hints the number 10, making then think that Isshin was the captain of the Tenth because of Hitsugaya being a younger upcoming captain. And they found hints of Ichigo being a Quincy at the same time like Ichigo having Quincy crosses on his bed sheets.
And Kubo came out after the manga was finished, and confirm that there were 3 plot points that he set up from the beginning of the story and one of them was Ichigo's powers. Besides there is also the fact that through the publiction of Shounen Jump when Aizen was making the revelation of Ichigo's parents he original says that he is the son of a Shinigami and a... and he is cut out by Isshin, while on the official release of the tome it's corrected to a Human and a... Making it clear that Masaki was the one with the secret now if you notice this, since at less them if you don't believe that, it was just an accident that Ichigo has Quincy Cross bed sheets.
Bro great video. Totally subscribed. Glad someone said it. Been my fav for years. Always will be methinks. Patema inverted probably my second.
Bleach really helped me through some rough times. No one around through most my young life so it resonated deeply. I still hold a lot of the ideals I found their close to my heart. Resolve, it is my super power. Lmao.
If my parent is drop kicking me out of nowhere I'm definitely training for something
Nobody except you of course, enlightened TH-camr
Ichigo being a fullbringer isn't even that crazy of an idea considering they're just humans affected by hollow powers. Ichigo risked turning into a hollow with White A LOT throughout the series, not even counting his mom getting bit, so it's not hard to come to that connection. Especially when Chad's right there, taking a falling I-beam and firing el directos (cero-like), saying his power feels more hollow-like. (I know there's extra in the novels, I haven't read them, and I don't like the "they've got fragments of the soul king" idea that came from it.)
Same
That’s bold of you to say internet celebrity
Not an internet celebrity chill w that 😂
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1 she is part of zaraki's soul,who is a god damn soul...
She's quite litterally a part of him
It's just like how zaraki or anyone else has a shikai
2 they were revived as humans by Mayuri
3 where is the supposed plot hole/still not a plot hole
4 it's explained,raishi on feet,same way they make bridges in the gargantua
5 spell it's properly ☠️
Also,the whole hueco mundo arc?the point of heer character is great power,that she uses to help others
Shits like Asking what's Nani's point,to navigate the grand line,and she does that
Same with orihime,she does what she needs to perfectly
6 his entire point is hypnosis,it would make sense for him to not have bankai,also,still not a plot hole
7 again,not a plot hole
In the first arc of the series, they gave us hints about his Heritage. His bedsheets were the quincy cross. Idk if that was an easter egg or a hint or whatever, but they definitely showed us some hints.
The reason why Aizen doesn’t use his banki is because it’s weaker than his form in the manga. He is currently fully fused with his sword, he states while fighting ichigo that they have reached similar evolutions and fusing with your sword is the truest form now that he is fully fused with the hogyoku he is completely fused with his sword so he has no use for a inferior banki
Real quick, love the content! Also, Ginjo was once a shinigami the 1st sub Shini at that if I'm not mistaken as far as the Bankai situation js🤷🏾♂
Thank you bro, check the pinned comment of what I said about Ginjo, I elaborate a bit more there.
Ginjo is the same kind of hybrid like Ichigo with all four races, but for a reason, I think, is in the light novels, Ginjo couldn't access his full abilities. Ichigo's Fullbring with Ginjo augmented his Shinigami and Hollow powers. Both Ichigo and Ginjo's Fullbrings merged their Shinigami and Fullbring powers, which is why Ginjo could use his Bankai while in Fullbring. Ichigo should be able to achieve the same feat.
As for Gin, it was pretty well resolved. He simply wanted revenge on Aizen for what he did to Rangiku.
Also, the Fullbring Arc was supposed to be longer, but the Editors forced Kubo to reintroduce the Shinigami earlier.
Where is it mentioned ginjosc race)
@@sev9139 in the Light Novels.
I feel like Gin was intended to have a bigger backstory reveal, maybe a mini spinoff or something explaining him and his motives. As written, I'd definitely agree that he was underutilized.
You know how the source of ichigo's powers are his hollow? Its the same with ginjo but it seems like ginjo doesn't have to get the out of body experience to become a shinigami. His normal state is his fullbring state his sword acts as both his zanpakto and fullbring when he taps into in fullbring he becomes a shinigami he is like ichigo but in revers. When ichigo taps in his bankai he gets his hollow powers.
The last line from aizen was the best honestly
Nobody will enjoy life without the fear of death, and the world yhwach aims to create is merely grey in colors. The same way you won’t value something that won’t run out; memories has their values from the threat of being forgotten every seconds. And in the same way will a particular grain of sand in the hourglass of time will fall, snap everything deemed so valuable and strip it til none, and all of that will cease to remain just in no time at all. The fear of that is what gives a thing its’ value in the first place.
about the espada, the ranking isn't about who is the strongest its about who has the most Reiryoku.
an explanation: the difference between Spiritual Power (Reiryoku) and Spiritual Pressure (Reiatsu) is simple: Reiryoku is the amount of energy a being has stored within their body or soul, whereas Reiatsu is the pressure that a person's Reiryoku exerts.
If you view it like that you might make the argument that ulquiorra is the strongest but he definitely didnt have the same amount of spirtual power as the espada ranked above him, on top of that if those same espada did mange to reach the same "Segunda Etapa" or "Second Resurrection" they will far supress him. this also make the fact that yami is the higest ranking as he is the only one shown that can store up more spiritual power with food and resting meaning he has an infinat potential at gaining spiritual power but we also know he lack the skill or control over his spiritual pressure.
having high spirtual power dosen't mean you know how to use it in battle, you might have more spirutal power then others but lack the spirutal pressure to use it and can lose to some one with less spirutal power but has better msatery over his spirutal pressure.
THANK YOU, wish I could hit you with a 2nd pinned comment but TH-cam not that advanced yet
Seeing as you seem to be the only person I have seen ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND THIS STORY other than me, I subbed.
The worst part about Bleach is the ratio of fighting to characters just being themselves and even the lack of downtime between giant battles. Also fullbringer arc is the perfect example of Kubo trying to do something interesting and cool with the writing and everyone hated on him for it and I will never understand that easily the best written arc besides maybe soul society and thats a big maybe.
I loved the Fullbringers arc too! I think the major issue was the fact that it came after the Aizen saga. Of course it felt less climatic. But Ginjo and Tsukishima's story, Ishida and the others' comeback, the "rebirth" of Shinigami Ichigo, that was all so awesome to see!
Oh, and it does drag on a little at the beginning.
4:38 hell nah 😂thanks for reacting to my comment! I willl say tho that I think bleach more than earns its spot in the big 3 im saying that. I dint think Naruto or One Piece are as good as people say and bleach shouldn't be shit on because it isnt Naruto or One Piece.
Ay bro thanks for leaving the comment, I haven’t watched Naruto so I can’t speak on it but I love One Piece, I genuinely think One Piece and Bleach are both masterpieces in their own right. The Big 3 will always be goated.
@@strawhatroy not to say they are bad I think they are great! I have watched Naruto and Bleach but haven't dove deep into One Piece I tried watching 3 times and imma try one more time the highest episode I got was like 208 I think so I'm far behind. I'm just saying that from the conversation I've seen people hate on Bleach because it isn't like Naruto or OP. I think they all are good but many people forget flaws and downplay other shows. I love your vids man! Keep it up you got a sub for life now 💪🏿
Ginjo is a shinigami yall its literally shown in tsukishimas flashback he was the first substitute shinigami
But he also has fullbring powers
And hollow, which i guess comes from being a shinigami with a fb.
@@BastolanFullbrings are directly tied to Hollows
Was* a Shinigami, apparently. Because he doesn't use his Shinigami powers at all.
@@DamianQualshyIt is shown that he resents the shinigami
@@skittlesareretcon6109 okay, what does that change
In support of the Ginjo thing that was mentioned, let's not forget that as a "born" Fullbringer (in distinction to Ichigo, Orihime and Chad, whose FB powers didn't come from birth), he had a fragment of the Soul King within him (as all natural Fullbringers do). And also, if we take into account the light novels (CFYOW), he was even considered a possible candidate to replace the Soul King alongside Ichigo and Hikone (light novel-exclusive character), due to him also being a hybrid of different races. So yeah, there *are* more hybrids aside from Ichigo in the Bleach universe! Maybe not as "pure-blooded" (due to Masaki/Isshin's peculiar situation) as him, but there are others similar to him nonetheless.
To me Bleach is best of all of the big 3. Especially after cour 4 ends and just the story in general is really amazing, every single character has some sort of depth and if you understand the story, its to me the best of the big 3 by far. Bleach gets way too much hate. With the TYBW anime out and soon as cour 4 ends, people should respect it much more than they do now. With Tite Kubo supervising the anime now it will be exciting and hell arc is getting written soon by Tite Kubo.
BRO I CANT WAIT FOR COUR 3 AND COUR 4, ITS BEEN TOO LONG MAN 😫
@@strawhatroy yo growing up watching bleach I'm so excited! Dude Cour 2 ended so amazing! I literally am watching all of bleach over and over again waiting for cour 3 man
- yachiru's shikai, unlike shinigamis shikai when called upon they appear out of the air and not the zanpakuto or the body.
- ichigo getting his power back, the substitute shinigami badge is tool to monitor and gather riatsu from the wearer.
and they used ichigo's riatsu and super charged with others to give ichigo his powers back.
- ichigo being part quincy was foreshadowed in the first arc in his fight with the first menos grande
wait how was it foreshadowed in the menos fight?
The last comment is just complaining a character or multiple characters getting a more flashed out story than cals it "plot armor" because it drives the story forward in a understandable, deep, interesting and connectable/emotional way for characters and the story itself which is literally how any story works.
And calling something very commen and established/foreshadowed power/training "Plot armor" is just going against the detention of plot armor.
"Plot Armor":
It is a practice where the plot is conveniently changing in a positive way for character in a bad state/situation in that situation.
This is under the condition that something was not previously foreshadowed, established as common or stated in a verse. Explanation afterwards would not count ( but they could lessen the impact of the plot armor) if they are not already based on previous statements, established things or foreshadowing and only are meant to detail it.
You’re right but that comment killed me when I got to the last paragraph 🤣🤣 (also thanks for watching the vid 🙏)
Sorry if it was confusing my English isn't really that good. @@strawhatroy
Yo good video man I’m glad it got so much traction
Quincy don't have an inner world.
To my knowledge that's a Soul Reaper exclusive thing.
To me this is actually one of the bigger issues with Bleach. The power system is explained subtly and drip fed over the course of the story And because many of the details aren't in the face of the reader parts of it are easy to forget about. This makes understanding how all of the different abilities work confusing.
I remember talking to a friend about Bleach and having to tell them that Shinigami literally have different organs than regular souls do and you need to look at the different races within Bleach as literal different species.
Something I find confusing is a Quincy like a special kind of human or are they a unique species? Because Ichibe refers to Yhwach as a human.
I'm pretty sure Quincies and Fullbringers are a type of human yeah, the rest are a type of soul.
Quincies are humans just with extra power, example Ishida family. The ones that escaped to wandenreich are in spirit form because they are in soul society. This explains why jugram and bazz b for example have lived over a thousand years since they are spirits
quincies are just humans that have some extra abilities. same body n stuff as any other guy tho.
Ichigo's inner world is from him having shingami abilities injected into him.
Ichigo bioloigcally is a Quincy and Human (Giga), his soul is a just more powerful, due to his hollow not shinigami. Oestu even said that Ichigo wasn't an 'actual' shinigami, just like he didn't have an 'actual' zanpakto. Ichigo's soul was removed from his body, thus making him a soul like the other shingami because after all shinigami are just regular souls that have more energy, this more energy kinda changes there body to compensate for storing this energy. So his soul being removed gave him access to an inner world. Him being a quincy forced him to absorb Rukia's power + His inner hollow, almost immediately changing his soul into a shinigami. I don't think his father played any hand in Ichigo's powers, because Kiske already said that the Giga he had Isshin get into, would take away all his shinigami powers, making him human. His shinigami powers were taking and crafted into a wall, to block the hollow from Misaki's soul.
Souls are like bikes. You train the soul and gain energy = You putting more gears onto a bike to make a mountain bike. You train enough, your body changes, to compensate for this new enegery filling your body = Slapping a small engine onto a bike, to make it electric. When you consentally generate energy, you need somewhere to put it unless you wanna pop like a balloon, thus the soul's unconsouise need for a change in phyisalology.
The reason Quincies don't have access to and inner world, is because they are physical beings, that are able to control soul energy. Them being in the SS is them converting there body into reshi, combine the physical body and the soul into one, locking access into an inner world. Kiska semi-explained it when he sent the whole crew into the SS during the Save rukia arc.
This is how I see it. Ichigo was never really a mix of more then maybe three races: Human, Quincy, and Hollow. Hollow + Human = Fullbrink. Quincy + Absorbing Shinigamis esscaines = Shinigami. This also explains why Ichigo is so strong by the end, his hollow and quincy stop fighting, and are merged into a True Shinigami.
I read bleach, but I forgot everything just to be entertained twice.
I'm probably gonna get shit for this, but I think a lot of Bleach is just unexplored in the manga. This is why there's a meme of "it was stated in CFYOW" because a lot of questions people had about Bleach just don't get answered in the original medium, that being the manga.
Also, you have to admit the thousand year blood war arc was rushed and a lot of characters just drop in and out of the story with little to no foreshadowing nor explanation. I won't even go into the arrow... I enjoyed Bleach and I'm looking forward to more(hopefully). However, it's obvious that in the beginning Kubo was still trying to figure out what he wanted Bleach to be and by the end it was too rushed to truly show us what it had become.
Bleach's world and characters intrigue me more than most other manga I've read, but with how things stand now they just haven't reached their full potential. I've got some crazy headcanons that make me super excited for more Bleach, but they will remain just that until we get more.
Luckily Kubo is working super tight with the anime studio for TYBW part 2, so he’s going to make his intended vision there
alot of whats in CFYOW or SAFWY isn't integral to the plot though, kubo can't win in this scenario, people call fullbring arc and early arrancar arc bad when those parts of the story are dedicated to fleshing out the story and lore of the verse entirely. If he made even more arcs about that people would just hate it.
the arrow is kinda foreshadowed in uryu vs mayuri but thats my only issue with tybw, nanaos zanpakuto makes perfect sense in hindsight and on re reads of bleach it was kinda right in front of us
but isn't this good? you said yourself you're excited for more bleach and have crazy headcanons...thats good writing, leaving interpretation for things is a good thing. Naoki urasawa does it a lot too and its why people can resonate with bleach so much. you can tell people your headcanons, they can tell you theres and you can really take these parts of the story as what you believe, i remember my English teacher going crazy about how good of a literature technique it is to be able to have a story where interpretation can be different for others
Bleach is a case study on how a story can be stained by shonen company. A lot of the rushed and incomplete parts are due to Kubo being rushed or forced to change the story because of shonen jump.
0:35 ong it’s so bad to the point that I’ve heard SO many people refer to the big three as one piece, Naruto, and dbz(which is honestly a disrespect to the godfather of shonen anime tbh).
Yhwach power is in all quincys.
Ichigo can see Yhwach manifestation possibly because he is a soul reaper too. And also, Yhwach spirit might be in all quincys too, but maybe they dont have an inner world. 👍
No, you wrong.
We can see masaki inner world, what are you talking about.
It's more of that Ichigo's quincy power manifested in the form of Ywach or took form to begin with is mostly due to that his genetically powers were contained in into a zanpakuto. AND THUS being a zanpakuto can make the powers appear in a physical form.
That is a soul reaper thing. If there was another Quincy x shinigami hybrid then they could potentially have an inner ywaxh zanpakuto spirit too.
both ichigos sisters are quincy shinigami hybrids@@Snzn_7
@@User5hdbh yes, thanks. I just remembered. 👍
Quincys dont need to meditate or communicate with anyone, soul reapers require this only. So the quincys might not even be aware of this. But his spirit might be in them too. As we saw with Auswhalen, yhwach was taking back his power from all quincy, and his power is shared through his spirit as with the case of old man zangetsu 👍
Also, when he absorbs them he gains their memories too. So it seems like yhwach has a spy in all of his quincys 👍
@@Snzn_7 good point.
Also, yhwach can gain the memories of quincys he absorbed. So maybe old man zangetsu is in them all spying 😂🤣👍
watching ur video makes me wanna reread and rewatch bleach
To the last comment fr. The reason ichigo has the getsuga ability is because that's a Shiba clan inherited ability that differs from each user, second ofc his "zanpakuto" spirit is gonna be the same after regaining his stats cause ITS HIS QUINCY FORM LOLOL that ain't his Sr powers. And his Sr powers aren't going to go away 100% cause white will always be attached to ichigo. 21:05
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@8:25 Uhh.... Ginjo WAS a soul reaper. He was the first substitute soul reaper, no??
There are definitely alot of things that conveniently only get revealed when they are now useful.
Ichigo being a quincy is one. The Gotei 0 being insanely strong but didn't for some reason design to interfere with Aizen who was about to annihilate all other realms.
Just a lot of things that don't really make much sense in context of what happened before.
I still like Bleach a lot but it is pretty Deus Ex machine rich.
One point about Harribel being stronger than Ulquiorra - She survived Toshiro's strongest attack that was supposed to insta kill anyone after all the ice flowers bloomed. And she was still able to fight well after that. This is not weak, Toshiro might not be one of the strongest captains at that point, but he wasn't weak either, that final move of him is a pretty OP move
Bleach is somewhat Seinen wrapped in a Shounen packaging...
This becomes an issue when majority of Shounen audiences are teens...
Which mean a lot of subtle subtext just goes over their heads...
And now that majority of teens who read bleach back than have reread bleach after getting older, they see the value in this series...
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This series won't hold your hand give you everything on a platter...
A lot of things in bleach are done subtly...
Themes of depression and self hatred are literally one of the core element for the main character of this series...
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The explicit answer to your question, “how/why can Ginjo bankai?” Is - “we do not know.”
The implied answer is
He is a lot older than we really know. So much so that other fodder soul reapers didnt/dont know what a substitute soul reaper is or that they can* exist.
This implies hes had a lot of time to actually learn bankai but because he felt like SS betrayed him he dipped. Then he had plans to attack SS. What he would need is another sub SR because like him they would be very strong.
It just so happened thats its Ichigo who is like strong AF. So his first olan was get ichigo to his side. When he realized that probably wouldnt work he decides to steal his powers.
So Ginjo can Bankai because he already had that ability. His wouldve just been an unmodified-by-ichigos-power of that bankai. However we never see that version. We only get the version that is modified by Ichigo’s power.
So what is ginjo bankai name?
My bad don't even bankai name, tell me what is ginjo's zanpakuto name?
I think it's more like a resurreccion than a bankai combined with 2 fullbring items; his cross of scaffold and his shinigami badge which is interesting. I think he's achieved a fake bankai in a sense like Ichigo did for a while but it's not stated. Hopefully we can get some more facts later.
@@loganhayse8771 ginjo steal ichigo's fullbring, how can ichigo still have fullbring power?
Do you know rangiku?
@DeskDown5464 I didn't say Ichigo still had his; I'm talking exclusively about Ginjo. Also what about Rangiku?
@@loganhayse8771didn't you know that all the bleach fans said that Rangiku couldn't use Bankai because her fullbring was taken.
so how ichigo can use bankai?
ashually ulquiorras number disappears when he transforms again plus I'm pretty sure the numbers are just a scale of reiryoku
All the espadas except yammys num disappear in release.
Heard that icytwat beat in the background. Nice music taste 👍
Love seeing someone appreciate the music taste man, that song is like my go-to for the vids now 🙏
Ngl I think Naruto is by far the worst in The Big 3
One piece only picked up after Naruto and Bleach ended so there's your objective answer there as to which the worst of the three is.
@@arjunsingh8219 That's just a terrible take.Just cause a story ends doesn't detract from/add to it's value so idk why that somehow the metric we're judging them off of.
Just say you're a Naruto fan cause a Bleach fan doesn't say things like this. It's fine to like Naruto cause of Nostalgia, but to lie and say One Piece only got good after it ended is nasty work. Marineford happened before Naruto's final war so you're just objectively wrong on that point regardless of whatever of the 3 you think is worst. Maybe if you're talking about animation, sure, but even if you wanna go based of anime then One Piece pacing actually got worse around that time(pretty sure it's Dressrosa) so you'd still be wrong. Regardless how you look at it this take is just horrible, if you want to believe One Piece is the worst try providing valid reasons like pacing or mickey mouse fake out deaths. You can't claim something objectively without backing it up which is why I specifically said I THINK Naruto is the worst. I can provide reasons for it if you want🤷🏾♂️
@@arjunsingh8219 If we are talking about overall Anime(prior to Wano) I can say One Piece is the worst cause you can skip Bleach filler, that's it. Manga wise Bleach and One Piece are just so much better than Naruto for very clear reasons. All have their issues, but Naruto just has more egregious ones for me. Bleach is still, to this day, extremely underrated and misunderstood by most. I personally think One Piece is better than Bleach but that's because Oda simply is just built different in general(compared to most), I do believe Kubo is somewhat of the same ilk tho. If we really want to push agendas and hot takes I'd say JJK is better than all 3, but I'd get eaten alive due to the overwhelming lack in most people's reading comprehension. People still believe Neji was right, that's all I really have to say on that point.
naruto is far above one piece up until war arc where it starts slowing down and kaguya arc is just actual trash
I read bleach I swear!! I got the actual volumes from a library and re read it online in school!
I thought this video was gonna be anti bleach agenda (didnt see the previous video ts one js popped on my feed) and i was PISSED.
Bleach my fav of the big 3 and one of my top 5 favs in general!!
The same way Naruto sucked at chakra control early on bc of kurama and it only got better as him and kurama grew. Kurama is a great way to make Naruto struggle a lot more than others and relate to viewers while later providing an explanation on overcoming obstacles and providing him with needed strength. Same with Ichigos forms. They hindered his early development relating him to struggle untill he accepts his powers as they are and grows with them.
Thank you for this video haha. I grew up on bleach, it was the first manga I ever read, and I had become a hater of it because I felt like there were so many plot holes and plot armor. My friend and I would always talk trash about Bleach because we felt like it could’ve been better. But no lie. After anime came back, I revisited all those things that didn’t make sense to me at first and I checked out a lot of those videos breaking down and explaining bleach plots and characters. Broooo, I realized that this anime is a fucking masterpiece! There were a lot of foreshadowing, especially in a unique way of just not saying anything until it was time to say something or just by showing you when it’s time to show you. Bleach is most def in my top ten
Respect to you for giving Bleach another chance, I don’t think many people, or even I would try revisit it if I was in your position.
people often have to remember that stories follow a character from the beginning. they tell a story of someone. this stuff doesn't just happen in current time, plot armour in theory is not real.
The “Ichigo is every race” argument is so bad. A lot of series have MCs that are insanely blessed lmao. For example, Naruto was born of an insane 1/1000 prodigy hokage and some chick from a clan with super chakra reserves. He then got the strongest tailed beast implanted inside him AND THEN we found out he was reincarnation of a god-like beings son.
The difference is tgat u can make tge hard work argument a lot more for naruto than u can with ichigo. Narutos blessings effect his max potential, but his progression and creativity r formed due to his hard work. For example, the rasenshurijen training. Yes, it's established that naruto was only able to learn that quickly due to his large chakra pool, but what thar effects is tge versatility he's able to learn. How fast he picks things up, r still at a normal lvl. Ichigo on the other hand, everything's quick for him simply because his genetics make him so good.
@@Blackmustache870 I disagree, I don’t think the argument is really there for Naruto either. Maybe you could argue that for him at the beginning of the series. At the start he literally sucks at everything, but that’s very quickly overwritten by the absurd circumstances of his birth. Even when Naruto beat Neji which was supposed to be the talent vs hard work fight. Naruto only won due to the lucky circumstances of his birth. Had he not been the 9 tails Jinchuriki he would’ve gotten rolled by Neji. He was also able to train dummy fast bc he could make tons of clones due to the lucky circumstances of his birth. Then at the end of the series, he gets a power up to catch up to Madara bc he gets to meet Super Ninja Jesus for being his son’s reincarnation.
@@BornFromEmbers well tge point u make about naruto, I think is only targeting the message that the series tries to push forward. Sure, most of narutos win cons go against the message of tge story, but that's not what's being discussed here. Until 6 paths bs, naruto had realistic growths in the series. He was creative in his training and u felt that he earned his transformations.
For me, ichigos power ups r a way to push tge story forward, but his powers feel more like a plot point than deserved thru the character.
Bleach is one of the manga/anime. The series has very valuable hidden messages. Actually, it makes you very successful if you really understand the message behind bleach
It's crazy to me that people think anyone could keep a secret from Aizen.
Bro was watching bleach with us on multiple screens
Facts and no shit they just don't really care that being the new fans of course and maybe some old ones but it's whatever I guess.
I found Bleach back in middle school in the middle of the Hueco Mundo arc airing. I loved it when I was young.
I can honestly say that it's clear that not only were some parts rushed but some plot points were retroactively "filled" and it's clear.
Bleach is peak, and I've been saying this consistently since 2007, way before TYBW was announced to be animated and the lockdowns made people revisit it. I will absolutely go off replying to points here.
I'll stan any content that highlights how good Bleach is, and I'll add a couple of points that I ALWAYS see people get wrong about it, because I swear a lot of people that watched/read Bleach did it with their eyes closed or just wanted to look at pretty pictures:
- Ichigo is not a mix of a bunch of races. Bleach really only has one race and that's human. Reiatsu manifests like a 'job class' in an rpg to different people in different circumstances. The only other "race" in Bleach are the artificial Souls (And even then, the Bount aren't canon to the manga). Dead humans can be either a + or a -, and will respectively become a Hollow or a Shinigami. A living human that can achieve Reiatsu manipulation by themselves usually becomes a Quincy, while those that awaken it by being in contact with one of the other "classes" is a Fullbringer. Usually these lines are fairly drawn in the sand and people can't crossover. Ichigo can because he was specifically chosen by Aizen to be an experiment in blurring those lines so that crossing over and merging of the "classes" could occur. It has nothing to do with "wow, Ichigo is just every race, isn't he?", it's literally because he is the result of the plot of the two main antagonists of the show. Ichigo was born son of a Captain and that is as much genetic priviledge as he gets. His mother being a Quincy was only detrimental in the fact it gave him a connection to Ywach; and most training he had was really powerful people telling him in different ways to "figure it out yourself" (which is leagues better written than Naruto, who was born strong, given a monster, taught by literally all the best ninja extensively, prophecized and then revealed to be the reincarnation of a demi-god; and Luffy, that is either related or adopted by every single most powerful person of his universe and then revealed to have gained the powers of a god all along)
Which leads to point 2:
-Training in Bleach only goes as far as getting to know yourself. It isn't even subtle about it. The sword (that is you) has to present itself to you, trust itself to you, give its name to you, and your ability to know it severely impacts how the powers come out; half the show is about fighting villains with masks, the bad guys that literally "don't show themselves and are in pain". Literally putting up a mask up for society. The most powerful people in this universe are the ones that are truer to themselves and know exactly who they are and what they want; which is why power sets and power levels are free to change as people do.
On Ginjo's point, my best guess is: Becoming a Shinigami substitute (like Ichigo) gave him access to part of his soul being like a Zampakutou. And from there, that never vanished. He used his fullbringer power to activate that, because Fullbringer powers are also personality-driven. All this means is that his fullbring is a faux-zampakuto, and his ability to bankai it comes from his time as a defacto Shinigami. When he was a Shinigami he already had absorption powers.
So in other words, the how is that his fullbringer powers are the same as his shinigami ones (just like Ichigo), reached by different means (hence why the blade doesn't have a traditional name), and they are still absorption related. (This might be closer to real than I first thought. I skimmed and scanned the fullbringer arc. Ichigo's Fullbring is functionally identical to his Bankai, uses the same named ability, yet the form itself goes unnamed, just like Ginjo; which means his Fullbring Fauxbankai is just what his Shinigami real Bankai would be minus the name.)
I think that hater's list of 'plotholes' barely stands because from point 2 you can already see the kind of commenter it is, but the first point, that is kinda relevant:
- Yachiru isn't just Zaraki's Zampakuto. She's a part of his soul, that came to be like Lilynette is a part of Starrk. As we see with the whole "Kujikujaku vs Fujikujaku" debate, calling a Zampakuto by a name it doesn't actually have causes massive difference in how the power comes out. Being called Yachiru instead of Nozarashi probably made things a little different, and behold, Zaraki's power created Yachiru, and Yachiru's power creates two undead things, exactly in the same ball park of power.
For the other person:
1) Saying that Unohana is existing there to give a power up to Zaraki is completely oversimplifying things, their confrontation is literally about tying up loose ends to both of them since their first met. To someone that used to be a ruthless killer like Unohana, there was always a point of pride in having lost to Zaraki. At the same time she was what caused Zaraki to become stunted in a sense. Disregarding what the fighting means just because of what it results in is a disservice.
2) Completely misunderstanding of how the powers work. Ichigo's powers are always his. Think of it like this: Ichigo's powers are a car, it is always the same car. The first time he was allowed "gas" to move his "car", it came from Rukia. It's not until much later in the series that he learns to get his own from other sources, like Shirosaki/Zangetsu or even Ywach, and later his own. It doesn't matter what was lending him "energy", his moveset would always be the same, because Ichigo *is* the power set. It's literally a theme of the series that all the super powers are character reflection. The other Quincies also don't talk to their own souls like Shinigami do, that's why Ichigo is special in that sense. Plot armor here absolutely doesn't mean what you think it does. This commenter is the prime example of what I mean about people not understanding how powers work in this universe. Stop thinking about this in terms of categories and names that people make just to name things. All powers are literally just different ways to tap into spiritual power either from yourself or the surrounding world.
Idk where u get ur point on tge races from. Sure, tge term races might not be the best way to categorize them because demons and angels in real life have never been considered their own "race", but whether a person becomes a hollow quincy or soul reaper, isn't down to birth(except quincies). Quincies can actually be considered a legit race in bleach regarding the point I made before. But there's no "type" of rieatsu regarding soul reaper or hollow. If a soul is consumed by negative emotions or turned into one by another hollow, than they become a hollow. Otherwise they become a soul that go to the soul society.
All of Bleach's biggest reveals have the same problem, the BIG hints are way out of sync with related topics while the people who'd canonically be able to recognize it are conveniently absent, iirc in one case Uryu even pulls a disappearing act you'd easily chalk up to impatience. Unless you go back and re-watch/re-read, or have amazing photographic memory, you're not going to make the connection on your own. Yeah the hints are there, but there's not enough throughline to make most viewers/readers go "it all makes sense now" and without that moment it feels like you've been narratively cheated.
ginjo learned bankai when he was a soul reaper, he lost his powers at some point similar to ichigo and they were on the opposite side of the same coin. when ginjo regained his power he already knew bankai
It took me a while to understand what one of the guys was talking about with the fake sword, but its not about the returning of his power, hes talking about how Ichigo didn't ever have a real asauchi. So he had a "fake" zanpakuto.
Now, this isn't the reality of the matter fully. The zanpakuto creator guy calls it "fake" not because it wasn't a zanpakuto or real sword, but because it didnt encompass the full power of his soul, it was created by the explosion of his spiritual power being released and then molded by the quincy power inside him. His own Quincy power tells him this, but I don't think the guy understood it. Basically tho, Quincy blood overpowered the soul reaper/hollow mixed side, and forced a small amount of the power to manifest as his sword, instead of all of it to flow into an asauchi. That's why he get's his "real" zanpakuto, because his powers aren't being sealed by each other, and are flowing freely into the asauchi to fully manifest. It's like his zanpakuto was locked at level 5, when its actual experience points would level it to 50.
The description given in the manga states that Vasto Lordes are hollows with human form, so Aizen was using his 'science' to force hollows into Vasto which created the Arrancar, making them pseudo Vasto Lordes, he also used his 'science' to try and force soul reapers into Vasto Lordes creating vaizards, making them pseudo Vasto Lordes, Tousen was probably the closest success since White, he went from vaizard to resurreccion (and if he had the chance probably would have cracked turning into an Arrancar from a soul reaper base which probably would've instead become a completely hollow looking humanoid, aka Vasto Lorde as per in world description)
So, with the information I gathered by reading the manga is Ichigo's fan dubbed Vasto Lorde is the only true Vasto Lorde in the manga we've seen, well White too, but they're basically the same entity, lol